Elden Ring Lore - The Raging Wolf & The Errant Sorcerer
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- Опубліковано 21 чер 2022
- Who were the first Tarnished to visit the Roundtable Hold? Learn more about Vargram, the Raging Wolf, and The Errant Sorcerer, Wilhelm.
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Finally somebody is focusing on Vargram. He's literally the most famous person represented in the game aside from Vyke and almost nobody has spoken about them. I also find that Fromsoft made them very small figures in the lore which only adds to them being overlooked.
Vyke and Vargram are probably the two closest Tarnished to Lordship, aside from the player of course. If Vyke had met Hyetta or another fingermaiden who would warn him to take off his armor before meeting the three fingers and if Vargram met Melina instead of us, they would probably have already became Elden Lord, I mean Vyke had the powers of the ancient dragons and the Frenzied Flame behind him and Vargram had a form of Destined Death and could probably recruit Godskin Apostles and Nobles to his side
@@dyppityjoop5912 vargram wasn't trying to be elden lord. He wanted to become a shadow for an empyrean.empire and. Also I'm not sure what you meant by taking the armor off. That has nothing to do with it. Vyke has the mark of chaos because his eyes are grapes. That only happens when you're touched by chaos.
@Dyppity Joop so vyke is more powerful?
Fun little fact, Okina has an entire group that followed him to the lands between, found it on the white reeds armor in the spirit cave
he also is a summon that assists you during radahn
@@managedcloud3495 true but he's not a good guy lol
I believe he’s a direct reference to Sekiro’s rise of the red-eyed shura and the civil war
@@epiccthulu That would be cool. It's Most likely a Reference but it is two different worlds so not possible for them to met (Yet ;D)
@@chainsmoker7390 well… it is the Lands Between…right? I’m willing to make the theory and let it stand until Fromsoft says no lol
I think it interesting we find these two standing over Alberich's body once we invade them. Alberich was said to be driven mad from being bullied so much at the roundtable. Maybe his death (I presume a suicide) is what reconciled Vangram and Wilhelm?
He was a stars of ruin/moonveil spammer,he deserved it!
@@elrodrigo4102 Alberich used a scythe, not the moonveil and i am pretty sure he uses frost spells only, but i could be wrong.
@@SophiaLilithUwU bleed sorceries too
@@SophiaLilithUwU obviously a joke 🙄
Alberich is a woman, iirc from Zullie's NPC unmasking video
Bruh I’m out here just tryna learn about these two without dwelling in the guilt of having just killed them a few hours ago and this guy just goes on about how much of good friends they were
I LOVE LORE I LOVE LORE, I LOVE EXPLORING THE STORIES OF RANDOM CHARACTERS IN A FASCINATING UNIVERSE THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD IGNORE, I LOVE FINDING THE LINKS IN THE STORY AND DETERMINING THE STORY OF THE GAME
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@@stutterjones1821 words words words with meaning* my friend
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So if the Gloam Eyed Queen turns out to be Melina, does that mean we are in one big one sided "love" triangle with Vargram? It raises questions about Melina not choosing Vargram to serve as maiden. He's guaranteed to do everything she says, and is clearly a powerful established tarnished, unlike our player.
At the least, it would have been nice to talk to Vargram before attacking. If you were following Ranni's quest, we could have found some common ground and maybe form an alliance (even if only temporary).
Maybe he took the yellow pill and ditched your spirit gf that only talks to you when she needs something. The reason he was upset with Wilhelm is he tried to convince him that he's too good for Melina but they got back together when Vargram moved on from her.
I think the choice was torrents from the start. Shes had him waiting for him to choose someone.
I think Vargram and the player are different, specifically the one shown in the trailer. Considering he's wearing the unaltered Raging Wolf Set meanwhile ours is the altered. Could even be metaphoric, Vargram has accepted the mantle of becoming a shadow. Meanwhile our Tarnished has no cloak, and thus we as the player are free to choose our destiny.
What’s interesting and difficult in looking at lore is that altered and unaltered can have different description and stats
The question I always had was why Vargram uses the Godslayer's Greatsword. I figured he just had a good taste in weaponry.
Honestly out of all DLC I'd want a Dusk/Gloam-eyed Queen one, I wanna meet the lady who made Marika shake in her boots so much she had to have Maliketh get involved. Even if she tries to murder me it'd still be nice to know what she looked like. And no Melina isn't the Dusk-Eyed Queen so don't even bring it up.
I don't believe the dusk eyed queen is still living. In the frenzied flame ending Melina definitely inherits her power, but I think you're right, they're not the same person.
Raging wolf helm is awesome the white hair the iconic look truly a gorgeous helm
8:22 Elden Ring: The Old Tarnished DLC
For a while I thought the raging wolf set would be the games iconic armor much like the souls series and the elite knight set
But turn out it was the fingerprint set which is a lot more interesting to look at honestly
I love both armor sets
@@californiansniper2133 same but hey hoslows set is so much better than both in terms of defense
@@joyless95 if defense mattered in being iconic all the fanarts would depict the chosen Undead as havel
@@ranbojd1070 but hey he’s pretty iconic I’m just saying the sets are all on par in my mind but I suppose bloody wolf is tied to a less explored character so it’s easier to project on
@@joyless95 yeah but it makes you look like an edgy doll
Great video !!!! I like that you are exploring the lesser known characters . As a lore enthusiast I like to know all I can , large and small . So thanks for taking the time to explore these small pieces in the great saga of Elden Ring !!!
Of course! There's so much incredible storytelling in this game and we felt the smaller characters would likely fall by the wayside. That's why we wanted to dig into them ourselves.
Not sur ehow this factors into the lore, but an intresting detail that i noticed, The Staff of Loss, the same staff used by our Errant Sorcerer, it is just a Carian Glintblade Staff with the glintstone removed, if u look at the two staffs next to each other u will see what I am talking about, they are nearly identical, and Nightr sorcieries do not use the Raya Lucaria icon when they cast, they use Carian icon, literally no idea how this all connects tho....
The staff of loss is found in Sellia which is where Radahn learnt gravity magic iirc and Radahn is part of the Carian royal family since his mother is Renalla, so maybe those have something to do with it
@@bleaky1292 that would make sense clearly Sellia has some kind of importance to the Carians, it just seems like a bit of a stretch to assume the errant sorc was a Carian Knight, or maybe it isnt, still pretty cool
Eternal City and Sellia together developed night sorceries as a research to finally invent invisibility armor for the Black Knives. Eternal City also had strong influence to Carian Royals with their star and moon beliefs. By removing the Glintstone if may imply that Wihelm no longer follows the guide of Raya Lucaria but still wish to hold a connection with Caria, for they have the same belief that one day a new age of stars will come to replace the gold.
Love these videos cause they actually just use lore from in game items and such and not deep dives into back logs and code and shit so it's possible for us regular players to actually connect to this
Just found your channel yesterday and I am amazed by your lore videos on Elden Ring! Keep up the great works. 😊
Thank you! Always happy when someone new finds our content!
I just love how you and others are able to take these tiny scraps and piece them together.
I really hope DLC will examine those early days of the Roundtable Hold. So much story we know almost nothing about.
So with all of this being said, can someone tell me how the logic works for us Tarnished? Aren't we undead/undying? How does our invading them kill them permanently but we don't die when we get invaded and killed? I don't even understand how Varre dies after he invaded us and we defeat him...and I have 800+hrs on my main/platinum trophy and have beat the game 4 full times now with that one char. It didn't make a lot of sense in the dark souls series, except I can see it being like we absorbed other undead/unkindled/ashen ones souls and that "kills" them completely, but I don't get it in this game...does them not seeing the grace have something to do with it?
You're right on the money, tarnished are only undying until they can no longer see the guidance of grace.
@@square-table-gaming Ah I see now, that makes sense, like their souls are in like limbo when they die, and the guidance of grace leads those souls back to the light, of life in this case, but that makes sense, thank you for following up with me and this. :)
Vargam was the wolf for Melina thats why she sends you to the hold
I love these elden ring lore about the people in elden ring! Do more!
Great Video as always
Even if it is literally impossible I like to think Vagram was acting as shadow to Errant, because they where just that good friends. :) (and I need some emotional positivity in these depressing games)
Heys guys just wanted to say, this channel makes exceptional content I really like the format and fact based speculation. Well done 👍.
okina or bernahl would make a great video
It does make me wonder if killing the raging wolf is canonical. Since it is the armor our tarnish wears in the trailers so it kinda does make me curious if that’s the case.🤔🐱
I think it's more likely that the trailer shows Vargram's journey long before us
@@TheloSpike this. Everything's in the trailers is of the Shattering and after. The game is specific of your Tarnished player character.
To add, Roundtable Knight Vyke is the knight on the cover art
Edit: Ensha is also on the cover, but he's dead...and he's still dead when you see him in game...
On the cover it's the fingerprint armor, like Vyke is the last one alive 🤔
I’d say what’s more likely is that the player in the trailer is our character, and the armour was just chosen without the most consideration for it (our appearance is our choice afterall). This set was probably chosen because it was a network test class and because it represented Elden rings armour and what to expect from it (that being it’s really cool). I say this because Vargram pretty much exclusively uses the gods layer great sword and the character in the trailers doesn’t.
It’s not really like Fromsoft has ever focused too much on a canon appearance for the Mc. We have a general appearance but even then it’s vague and often goes against canon sometimes (hell, the ashen one is both depicted as wearing the regular knight and the soul of cinder set, the bloodborne hunter switches coats often enough, DS1 pretty much just reused Oscar and DS2s trailer featured a product so different to the final build it’s basically another game)
Vargram kinda got sidestepped for Vyke in elden ring
I'm conflicted about Vangram's role as poster boy of ER. On one hand, it could perfectly be that From just used Vangram FOR his armor and not the character himself, meaning his importance was never a thing, just like Faraam Armor in DS2. But then, in DS2 Oscar who used the Elite Knight Set, was originally planned to have a way bigger role in DS1 but ended up being just the dude that gives you your Estus and dies, so I'm conflicted about that (and then again, in the cover of the game Vyke is the one who appears, so that just messes up everything).
Also, as a random stupid question because I... I actually haven't played ER, where do the connections with the Godslayer Greatsword come from? Would ask for the Gloam-eyed queen too but the GSG is a pretty obvious connection to anything related to her.
edit: just realized its gloam and not gloom lol
Honestly
I want multiple dlcs
One of them going in depth with Vargram and Wilhelm and another going in depth of the Crucible Knights, maybe adding the other 2 as bosses
Have them apart of the expanded endings. Because, none of the endings are definitive and leave a lot of open threads.
Ist's Always mindblowing to learn about story bits I myself haven't found in nearly 300h playing. Perhaps I should be more aware of my surroundings xD
This video came just in time for me, I was planning on doing a "Melina's Shadow" build, Vagram stealing my guys identity would just add to my head canon
probably my favorite armor next to D's and the beast champion
I want to think that From Software always does this with these advertised characters. In DS1 Oscar seems to be important and even though he has a story, is very short and forgettable. Same with DS2's Faraam Knight and DS3's Red Knight. They are there to represent the undead, the hunters, the tarnished that came before. And how not only the gods are capable of forging great stories.
It's like, they were capable of forging their own stories, now's your turn.
What I find weird about tarnished is they essentially look human are they human or another species entirely
Every non tarnished character seems to know we are a tarnished I wonder if it’s some aura we have or just game design 😂
another good video!
Since vargram has a godslayers great sword does that mean the gloam eyed queen originally used two of them?
It's tough to say. Perhaps it's a copy. It could also be that the Vagram of our world is long dead which is why we can find the sword. We do invade another world in order to fight him, so it's not exactly the same as ours.
@@square-table-gaming quick question: how do people having other worlds work? Like is it universes? Or something else
@@declicitous1763 idk if it’s elaborated differently in elden ring, but I would suspect it to be similar to the dark souls series considering the consistent mechanics and (to my limited knowledge) not contradicting the different lore of elden ring. In which case it seems to be a series of parallel universes/worlds, that resemble each other while being different. Hence when you summon someone’s spirit they effect your world whilst not changing their own, and they eventually go back to their own world. Hence all the endings are canon since different tarnished (players) become elden lord and choose their own ending.
@@pokemongo-py6yq still confusing and extremely unnecessary as I thought it would be
@@declicitous1763 Yeah
I think it's overcomplicated
Especially since there's nothing to indicate that in Elden Ring there are many paralelel timelines that are all canon at the same time like in Dark Souls
I'd just stick with assuming Gloam Eyed Queen was destroying gods with 2 ultra greatswords and Vargram came into possesion of one of them
There’s already at least like 3 strong possible DLCs but I’d be super down with an Old Tarnished DLC.
I'm not sure if you could make a whole video about it but I'd love to see a video explaining why their are black knife assassins in ordina the liturgical town
Running away from Golden Order. After the demise of Godwyn, the Golden Order were chasing them. The best hiding place is in Haligtree.
Very interesting lore
Vargram and Vyke are the posterchilds of ER and it's funny how both of them fell to corrupting or "evil" powers and are barely in the game.
5:19 vargram boss fight dlc?
Love your videos
thank you!
@@square-table-gaming of course, I don’t always have a great response to write up after I watch the videos, but I find it vital that I at least do a comment or an emoji to help the algorithm for you(and all creators I enjoy) sorry for not much more of a comment, I just didn’t want to forget to write one 🤣
They should really made Varagram and the errand sorcerer an npc instead lol
Can you do old knight with the scaled armor? While we're on volcano manor npcs. He helped me in my second ever cave vs the two demihuman chiefs but when he was our first target for the manor i didnt even recognize it was him until after and i felt bad.
Knight Bernhal? He's another big one. Definitely on our list.
@@square-table-gaming I think he’s talking about Old Knight Istvan
About Vargram: if the Godslayer Greatsword is his weapon, why do we find it under Caelid's tower?
Why are there Blackflame Monks only at the bottom of Caelid's tower?
Does Radhan have something to do with the Blackflame? (I think not, but...)
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Radahn is the Gloam-eyed Queen.
Pretty underwhelming that the most iconic Elden Ring armor in marketing was such a side-point in the actual game.
Of only they had Vyke's in the network test instead it would be more iconic in line with Elite Knight and Faraam.
Im just soreading my theory around. Its not meant to be taken seriously.
Now this is a stretch, but I think Godfrey/Hoarah Loux and his tarnished army became the atmorans. After being cast out by Marika, they left the lands between and traveled across realms until the ended up on nirn, on Atmora. Ysgramor was one of the tarnished warriors who decided to stay on atmora while Godfrey returned to the lands between as he was called back by the guidance of grave to become Elden Lord once again. Some of the Atmorans followed him and returned, becoming tarnished once again while the others and Ysgramor stayed behind to settle. Thus, both the story of elden ring and Ysgramor’s saga happens at the same time.
I wondered if the bell hunter was trying to be a shadowbound to malenia since shes a empyrean. Maybe he wants to find her and bound to her as lover,friend and a protector. I mean he was looking at the portrait thinking how he can find her.
So elemer of the briar is not the one who had an obsession with Malenia, that was Maleigh Marais. Elemer took his castle after they tried to put him to death. As far as we know he has no strong feelings towards Malenia outside of revering her as a member of the golden lineage
@@square-table-gaming I see
hi what is the weapon and aow your tarnished was using mate? entertaining video as well
Godslayer's Greatsword with its built in ash of war
Can you explore the walking mausoleum next?
They were BFF huh.
7:44 wup, never mind
6:38 Is the primeval current related the "end" that Sir Gideon Offnir referred to?
Not totally sure. Even though Gideon claims to be all-knowing he clearly isn't. Definitely warrants some research.
What is that violin music you have in every video? I like it but can’t find it
It's the character creation music!
character creation from elden ring lol
No wonder I couldn’t find it lol. Thank you
Just for fun i would really like your "subscribe" pitch to be done with the swirling hypnosis image with you saying something like "join us here at STG, you know you want to, free yourself from the burdens of the world, we are a family, become one of us, press the button, you can do it, etc etc"
That would be really funny. Total tonal shift haha.
Also, I'm not teasing at all. You have an amazing voice that for some reason hits me in a very "there is no war in Ba Sing Se" way that's absolutely wonderful and it would be hilarious to me at least.
So if the lone wolf preset during the demo was suppose to be Vargram I'm curious about why gender was an option could there be an alternate version of Vargram or maybe a sister in Elden Ring we have yet to see
Not sure if we can take anything from the demo as legit lore. Fromsoft made many changes before the final release.
@@square-table-gaming As you once said "From Soft Does Everything for a reason" it can't be our tarnished because we weren't there at the time, perhaps a look at Vargrams first steps in the lands between. Before our tarnished arrived all those in the demo were maybe the tarnished who were there fist this why Vargram was there. Just me thinking and making theories
Non-binary Vangram is canon. You heard it here folks!
It's an rpg fromsoft will never confirm who the player character is because it's supposed to be whoever you want. That's the point of the genre.
im just sad that willhelm didnt do the willhelm screamm :P
Can u please do one on Okina
Do you think vargram was supposed to be a shadow to ranni? I kind of feel like he was supposed to be one hence why he was called back so early but then had no meaning after she killed her empyrean body or like you said he could have lost his empyrean even earlier if it was the gloam eyed queen well considering his weapon I guess that makes more sense or he could have been a shadow to both of them but I just feel like if the gloam eyed queen was his empyrean it would have been long ago enough for him to have known that he was her empyrean idk just spitballing
It's an interesting idea but shadows were hand made by the 2 fingers so it's unlikely a tarnished would be called to that position.
@@square-table-gaming I agree with you on that point but just curious wasn’t maleketh alive before he was called to be mericas shadow? Or am I wrong I thought it said something about him before being mericas shadow…
@@viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476 Maliketh probably did not exist before he was made Marika's shadow
Noice
The intro for this made me think of my second Elden Ring character that I gave some lore and backstory to.
Carlotta Vinette, The Frenzied Maiden. Her Mother was a Finger Maiden and her Father was a soldier of Horah Loux. When her father died fighting in Horah's "pointless wars", her mother succumbed to grief. Many years passed until the night of Black Knives gave tarnished a new chance. Her mother was called to be a guide to a tarnished warrior, but she was killed by White Mask Varre (she doesn't find this out until the playthrough tho).
When her mother is gone for years, doing what she believes is helping a tarnished to become Elden Lord, Carlotta eventually feels a call to the Lands Between.
She finds herself in the Chapel of Anticipation, standing before the corpse of her mother, small floating bits of grace emanating from her body.
This leads Carlotta to her new purpose. Becoming Elden Lord, and destroying the Golden Order. (There's more but I'm tired)
So the person on the front cover of the very game is nothing more than a minor side character this time around? Wow usually the person on the front cover has at least a small but major role in the plot.
Vargram is not the character on the cover, that would be Vyke who has a slightly larger role lorewise. Originally he was going to be a much bigger player in the story so they say.
So burnt out on this game needs dlc bad I absolutely love the game but can't play for more than 5 minutes at this point.
It seems you have your timeline a little mixed up here. Gloam Eyed Queen tried to kill Marika, therefore Marika sealed away destined death in Maliketh's pendant. This lead to people "dying" being absorbed into the Great Tree and be reborn, Vargram would've lived after the shattering (where the demigods began to fight each other and the journey for Tarnished to come home to ascend the throne started). It is therefore unknown if it's the roundtable hold from Leyendell Errant was trapped in or the one Marika (probably) created as a loop for Tarnished to become stronger so they could ascend the throne. So either Marika killed an empyrean, sealed away destined death, planned and executed the night of the long knives, banished Godrick, married Radagon and shattered the elden ring in the time Vargram didn't realize that the queen he was stanning had died or Marika realized the errors of the Erdtree and the Greater Will and planned things over a long time and Vargram is striving to the wolf of someone else. But we don't know, not every Empyrean has a wolf (Malenia and Miquella) and it seems like those that were given a wolf were given by the two-fingers when the Greater Will appointed an Empyrean, like they did with the Gloam Eyed Queen, which we learnt from Blaidd and Ranni. We don't know but Marika shattering the Elden Ring and being sealed away and having all those statues set up before the war doesn't seem like a likely outcome, to me, that Vargram was a part of that.
I don't believe we implied at any point that Vargram and the gloam eyed queen existed at the same time. The implication of Vargram wielding the sword is that he aspires to be the gloam eyed queens wolf even though she is long dead. Also, miquella and Malenia do not need wolves, as malenia already fulfills that role for Miquella.
I personally believe that the Item description on the beast eye is the key to tying it to the Dusk/Gloam eyed queen aka Marika the eternal.
The short version is that judging from Ranni’s dialogue, we know that each Empyrean are given a shadow that will betray them if they should ever go against the Greater Will. I believe Maliketh used Marika’s own Great Rune, the rune of Death, and took that eye from her after impaling her with the crimson spear you see in the final arena. It would explain why her corpse is missing one eye and why the eye has a claw mark and is surrounded by Marika’s stony flesh.
This eye could very well have been passed down to some of her children as well.
Melina- she reveals to have the same eye, on the same side of her face, in the lord of frenzy ending.
Malenia - obviously this is pure speculation but I think the rot that covers her eyes was an intentional creative decision to hide this very secret.
Miquella - maybe we’ll find out in the DLC
Ranni - It’s hard to tie Ranni with Marika but she does posses the same Gloam colored eye in the exact same pupil. I believe Ranni’s pupil color that she never opens is Golden and that’s basing it from Melina. In fact, the golden color from Melinas right eye only changes to white in the flame of frenzy ending, after the golden order is no more. I also have this insane theory that would bring so much of the lore together and is that Ranni IS Miquella but that’s still a work in progress..
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Why does every lore video creator use a ASMR voice? 😪