Hero: "Shop keeper. I hold here is an ancient sword, forged from the depths of Mount Doom with a metal so rare and powerful this can cut a mountain in half in one swing." Shop Keeper: "Cool. I'll pay 1 gold for it."
Sjono ... in real life there would be no items to buy because the store would have been looted, so items would be hard to come by and would be expensive in the real world too as you would likely have to buy them in the black market, as there would be a few groups trying to horde all the items for survival for themselves. ... so just imagine the shop in an rpg is the black market after they have looted elsewhere and it may feel more realistic of why they charge so much. lol
Say what?you want the sword that can kill the king dragon and save us all from destruction and chaos?well,that will cost you nothing more than 50.000 coins.....you're welcome
what about if you make "the chosen one" accidentally die or something and you are like "fuck" and just get drunk and do stupid stuff that accidentally saves the world
+DEATHBYFLYINGCDS urm final fantasy, final fantasy 2, final fantasy 3, final fantasy 4, final fantasy 5, final fantasy 6, final fantasy 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 15. Secret of mana, legend of zelda, legend of dragoon, earthbound, chrono trigger, dragon quest, super mario rpg, tales of phantasia, golden sun, basically every rpg worth naming ever
There's room for way more clichés. -- The orphan Hero. To be a hero, it's almost a requirement to have dead parents. -- The magical Healing Bed. You have 3rd degree burns, posonned by cyanide, AND have your guts poking out of your slashed belly? No problem, just go to sleep. You'll be perfectly fine! -- Cant... pass... that... knee-high fence... -- Rebel prince or princess with an attitude. -- The vilain who want to conquer/destroy the world... just because. -- The advisor was the real villain all along! -- Monsters have wallets and backpacks filled with random stuff. -- Overpowered adversary become a wimp once he join your team. -- And more!
Le Kanraposte Here's another one for ya, antagonist is made to look all powerful throughout the whole game and actually ends up being piss easy to defeat. *Cough* Lord Lucien from Fable 2 *Cough* *Cough* Funnily enough Fable 2 also has the orphan cliche too as well as the "loved one murdered before protagonist's eyes" cliche.
MrFirewolf18 Let's be honest. Fable 2 really pulled one off the left feild with that villain. It's really extremely rare that the "all powerful" final boss of a RPG is a wimp on purpose. More often it's because we took too many sidequests and we did grind too much XP so that our power exceed the Final Boss's by a large margin. Best example. In FF7, just play the game straight up and never bother with chocobo raising. Go fight Sephiroth. It will be one of the hardest and more rewarding battle you'll ever play. Luckily, that was my first experience. However, raise chocobos until you have the summon "Knights of the Round", grind to be able to kill Emeral Weapon, then go to Sephiroth. The fight will only last one round and will be very disapointing.
MrFirewolf18 Buy a Super Nintendo and Final Fantasy 3 (FFVI). Now, you don't have any fanboy excuses anymore and you'll play one of the best JRPG of all times.
It's not a "Fanboy excuse" I just don't feel the need to but a PS4 or anything like that when I already have two game consoles that work perfectly fine. Secondly, where am I gonna get a SNES? I'm not gonna get it off Amazon or anything because who knows, some fucker could just send me a toaster in a SNES box or something. But anyways this is turning into an argument even though it doesn't need to be.
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+Morir es vivir I don't know about 12 but X sure as hell don't count. when people say 'sidekick', they mean the Robin-with-Batman type of sidekick, not the Kato-with-Green-Hornet kind. regardless if you're actually called the 'destined one' or some shit in the game, if you can kick ass better than your boss, then you're the lead guy, not your boss.
(Games, where you cant jump)The gate is 1m high, you need a rare legendary artificial key to unlock it. (Games, without fast trevel)"I want you to go to another continent and bring me 1 useless leaf from a tree" (MMO games)"Only you can stop that monster, you're the chosen one, the whole world is counting on you!".......... *the boss is currently dead, check back later* (quests in rpgs) Collect 5 fangs from wild wolves.... *slayed 20 wolves, only one fang collected*
For once I think WatchMojo perfectly nailed pretty much everything. They even alluded to the 'Macguffin Delivery Service' trope where you collect all the Macguffins only for the villain to show up and either steal them or force you to give them up.
+Falcon Windblade Well, mostly you still not realise it. At least not in Skyrim... how many times did he already shoot me with fireballs again? :I But they're there, you can check that with the console.
Lasket Oh you meant it that way... yeah, hate to admit it... but it really just seems like you're the only one in the game who can't keep up with everyone else around, despite being THE special dude...
ShaunRLAC Me and my husband have each only played it a few times, but it's a game that we refuse to trade in and we even made it the background theme on our PS3 and haven't changed it in about 4 years maybe more.
No matter the amazing feats you do like kill the most legendary monster or saved a planet or killed a dragon that threatened your world, people still want to fuck with you. You can have the most powerful weapons/armor but their is always a fucking bandit that thinks they can take you on...
Bender B. Rodriguez holy shit I never even thought of that! The witcher 2 and 3, Dragon age Inquisition, mass effect, fallout 3, skyrim, mass effect 2. And a bunch that I can't name off my head
You acquire a boat midway through the game then an airship nearer the end. Your characters are a bunch of 16/17 year olds who manage to beat hundreds of trained and seasoned soldiers. You beat the 'main boss' midway through the game, then discover that 'someone else' was in fact behind it all, and you now have to go on another quest to find and stop them. You can travel the world without a passport or any hassle from border patrol/customs, and every country and town uses the same currency. You discover the most powerful legendary weapon in the world and it just happens to be suited to your main character. No one has any issue with your character just barging into their house, and anyone inside will offer you advice.
You defeat monsters with weapons 1/10000th of their size. Random encounters around the third town are much more powerful than the boss of the first dungeon. If you can recruit monsters/enemies to fight for you, they will always be much weaker than when you needed to fight them. No matter how outlandish your weapon (umbrellas, spoons, megaphones, sentient dolls...), the local weaponsmith will always have one for you. No matter how badass your female lead, they will always be totally helpless if they are captured. Spells, no matter how widespread their damage in the animation, will leave no lasting scars on your surrounding.
That "someone else" is always trying to either revive a God of destruction or BE a God of destruction. EITHERWAY YOU GONNA USE THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP TO BEAT HIS/HER ASS
Weird how they showed Sora whenever they were talking about The Chosen One. He wasn't chosen, he just happened to be at the right place at the right time.
REOrulz And with amnesia one, they showed Tidus, who was just faking it in that part to not freak people out. And with kingdom hearts, Riku was more of the chosen one then anything, because of tera. Haha
*1.) The end of the World, but...:* The world coming to a end or something bad is going to happen to [X], but there's always time to go on 20+ side quests before you decide to get on with the plot. *2.) Chip off the old block:* Your father/mother was a [X] & died/gone missing for [X] among of years. People say you remind them of your mother/father. *3.) You & your party is the most colorful characters:* You really can't miss them. They have more details then that one expressionless npc next to them.
This is the reason I love KOTOR so much. I'm playing the game again on my iPad and it's amazing how Bioware grabbed like 4 or 5 cliches that are on this list and created the best plot twist in gaming history. I never thought that a protagonist with amnesia that is conventionally the chosen one to save the galaxy could be so damn convincing.
RPG Cliche: Dragons are almost ALWAYS evil. Why can't the hero actually BE a dragon more often? Breath of Fire and DQ8: Journey of the Cursed King are the only ones I've heard of that have that quirk, where Dragon's aren't all or mostly evil...
There's the issue of MONEY and the TIME OF YEAR. :P It's not right to get YOURSELF a present for christmas or whatever other holiday you celebrate, after all.
for soccer players it is, thats the end of their careers preaty much. I guess japanese people like soccer... Plus the fact they love young little students in school uniforms. So, yeah.
+David James highschool days for me was the most memorable and joyful of all the stages of life so i won't be surprised if that was the case why it is very cliched.
Before the advancement of medical science 30 was old. In fact most people were married and already starting families by 13 because the average life span was around 50 and a lot of RPGs are based on these time periods.
5:50 "You're never find a hero who just got drunk (to lost their memory) and has to also save the world." Except for Vanilla Bean from Steambot Chronicles. Him waking up with amnesia made me expect that he had some key role in the story but NOPE the guy was just some smuck who ended up being the main hero!
Some ideas: Top 10 Asian Films Top 10 European Films Top 10 Australien Films Top 10 African Films Top 10 South American Films Top 10 Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction storys Top 10 most tense movies of all time
Ridll1 The most of them are bad but there are also some good ones like "Der Untergang", "Die Welle" and "Das Experiment" and some classics like "Das Kabinett des Dr. Caligari", "Metropolis" and "Nosferatu". Definetly worth making a list.
Christopher Langer too many good Asian and European movies to make just top 10's for the whole... they would lkely have to split them up. Top 10 Chinese, top 10 Japanese, top 10 Korean, top 10 Indian etc etc etc.... and for Europe, top 10 British, top 10 French, top 10 German, top 10 Italian etc etc etc
Here's one for you. Lovers. Ah, finally, after slaying the dragon lord that almost destroyed the planet, I can just kick back and reeeeeeeela-. Oh, hey babe. Didn't see ya there. No matter how you slice it, in most RPGs, it's always either implied or flat out said that the girl always travelling with you is supposed to be dating you or another major party member. Which is cool and all, especially if you're playing a darker RPG and can use that romance as an escape, but if you play multiple RPGs, it starts feeling like the romance has devolved from magical to you just have a harem.
Trunks1stApprentice Which RPG you are talking about? Those lesser known Japanese RPG? Because nowaday, I don't see Harem in any of the major (Western or Eastern) RPG. Usually there are a bunch of romance options you can choose from, but when you choose one, the others are no longer available. Or it can be like a bunch of casual sex (like in Saints Row 4).
heronumber009 Conception was at least well known enough for an English release to be a thing. And shitty combat system aside, the story made it to where you needed to literally ROMANCE every single girl and replay the story until you got a file where all of them were romanced, which resulted in an ending where it was basically a harem. A harem where each girl had genuine feelings for the main protagonist and he returned those feelings, but a harem nonetheless.
***** RPGs like Final Fantasy 7 with the choices for Cloud's date, Persona 4 with all the potential lovers all around, and Fire Emblem with potential lovers AND the children you spawn with those lovers make it feel real. But Conception, as I've stated, devolves into a harem once you realize the end goal with the romance, and it feels much less special.
You can scale a twenty foot wall no problem but can't hop over a knee high fence nope sorry but that's a fence not a wall so.... you'll have to go around
Or the, "you can jump off a 20,000 foot tower and land in a one foot pile of hay and be fine but if you fall off a two foot and one inch wall you die because it's one inch too high" bullshit, like wtf is this!!
I hate how apparently none of the enemies you fight in RPGs have names unless they're important, its always just "guard" or "merchant" or "old lady" and then you fight some important boss and he has a sweet name like "kickalotofassicus" but his minions are just "thug" or "henchman" why not "Jeff with three kids" or "Susan with a glandular problem"??
I love how you showed Witcher 3 at the end, considering how many other tropes it subverts. Geralt isn't the main character, isn't truly special (besides being a Witcher), doesn't have amnesia, is as morally fluid as the person playing, has a restriction on his inventory, carries a tiny amount of gear into actual combat, and his weapons and armor are period specific and realistic in scale. It's probably why I plunked over 80 hours into the game and broke my DLC cherry when I purchased both content packs.
"You'll never feind a hero who just got black out drunk one night, hit his head on the pavement, and coincidentally also has to save the world" Conker.
It would be interesting to see these Korean mmorpgs on the PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, or Xbox One: Scarlet Blade, Terra, Black Desert, Blade and Soul, Rohan, Azera, Vindictus, and Eternal City.
Justin Nguyen No, like we are saying take Skyrim and upgrade it to New Gen. Add a few new features or something. Like what they did with GTA V, Assassins Creed IV, and a lot of other games.
The buster sword wasn't magical In fact all it is, is a sword made from the last of a poor families money, given to a first class solider, given to an apprentice, given to a friend who stole their identity
The main hero's love interest is usually some VIP, such as princess or priestess, typically joining the party as a healer, especially in JRPGs. They often want to portray her as the "perfect" girlfriend or ultimate caregiver.
+CoryPortal In Earthbound, you dont carry multiple weapons. At the VERY end of the game, ness will hold 2 bats... IF you are super duper, ridiculously lucky. The casey jones bat and the legendary bat. Inventory management in earthbound is actually an interesting part of the game. Also, number 5 doesn't really apply, because your first fights are against the end game enemies lol. Buzz buzz saves you ofc.
0604gamer Okay, maybe I should rephrase that, they are SOMEWHAT similar, but not similar enough to be synonyms. You have to have a certain degree of similarity before the words can be interchangeable and trope and cliche aren't. Synonyms are words that mean the same or close to the same, but cliche and trope are not that similar. Were you trying to argue with me or just trying to be anal retentive? Because the latter is annoying.
What do you think a cliche is? It's a trait that is almost always connected to a genre (or idea), and because troupe is usually for a physical object they used cliche correctly.
A trope is a common, reoccurring element in fiction. A cliche is an overused element that lacks originality. Again, they are similar, but different. A trope is neither good nor bad and in genres, it can become expected. An old, wise mentor character is a trope. Having an inventory is an RPG is a trope. A cliche, on the other hand, is usually viewed negatively and that the creator(s) have no originality. A good example of this is a hero not looking back at explosions, or the main character of an anime or JPRG having big hair. I think a cliche can be a trope, but not vice versa. I'm not 100% on it. It's like the whole square versus rectangle thing. A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't necessarily a square. This is what I was saying about them not being synonyms even though they were similar. Square is not a synonym of rectangle even though they're similar. They have slightly different qualifiers.
"You'll never find a hero who blacked out drunk, and now has to save the world." ... ahem... Conker's Bad Fur Day. You have him in some of your top 10's... Doofuses.
I didn't think about the hoarder with the bottomless backpack! LOL I would say another cliche has to do with NPCs NOT really helping you. At times, you may find the odd person who will actually give you something for free. The world may come to an end and shopkeepers, along with average people, will not do anything to help you! You will still be charged for equipment, weapons, and items to prepare yourself for the final battle! LOL There are also some instances where you have to do a side quest(s) to be eligible for a discount in some shops, but you are still held accountable to pay something :) Great video!
Man, I haven't seen Golden Sun in years. Thanks, WatchMojo. Also. Clothes/armor which only fits a certain character in your party and absolutely nobody else.
6:06 I love The Bard's Tale! Almost every area in the game has at least one "Chosen One" who either dies shortly after claiming to be the Chosen One, or is already dead. And they're always frail and pasty skinned. Of course, The Bard is the real Chosen One.
A coffee cup? Sure, put it with the 37 other coffee cups. A pistol? Put it with the 15 other identical pistols, might have a special part. Brain fungus? Yes, I want some brain fungus. I'll just scrape it off the wall.
Elemental dungeons, shops that are willing to buy anything,party members stand out in the crowd even when the npcs are from the same class, swords no matter what era you live and so on...
You missed: 50ft giant villain launching a swarm of meteors at the hero for 10 damage, while the 10 year old hero counterattacks with a stick for OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!
My favorite, following a bad guy into a dungeon, yet the dungeon seems mysteriously undisturbed. No dead monsters, no sprung traps, locked doors everywhere and all the keys are still sitting around to be found.
"I'm a clearly experienced warrior who knows what's going on, so consider me your ally. And by that, I mean I'll just appear where you need to go and tell you what you need to do there instead of actually fighting alongside you. The Hero of Legend doesn't need physical help." Yeah. Thanks a lot, Ashei.
The childhood friend. The backstabber. Expository speech from the villain before the final fight. A battle you automatically loose. Teenage protagonists.
Hero: "Shop keeper. I hold here is an ancient sword, forged from the depths of Mount Doom with a metal so rare and powerful this can cut a mountain in half in one swing."
Shop Keeper: "Cool. I'll pay 1 gold for it."
Brian Varilla Yea, the "Rick Harrison effect" as I call it XD
How about the idea of when the world is coming to an end, item shops will still have the nerve to sell extremely useful tools for high prices
People are greedy even despite imminent death. Just how it goes, y'know.
Sjono ... in real life there would be no items to buy because the store would have been looted, so items would be hard to come by and would be expensive in the real world too as you would likely have to buy them in the black market, as there would be a few groups trying to horde all the items for survival for themselves.
... so just imagine the shop in an rpg is the black market after they have looted elsewhere and it may feel more realistic of why they charge so much. lol
Say what?you want the sword that can kill the king dragon and save us all from destruction and chaos?well,that will cost you nothing more than 50.000 coins.....you're welcome
Sjono nice one :)
Sjono Dooooooode! This!
I want a game where you wake up with amnesia because you got so drunk and you accidentally have to save the world
And your character is just like why can't literally anybody else do it the entire time and at the end of the game he just goes home go bed
Javale fralop I have to admot that WOULD make for an interesting plot!
Javale fralop nice
Javale fralop there should also be a prophecy about a chosen one that isnt you and when you save the world he shows up and is like "FUUUUUCK"
what about if you make "the chosen one" accidentally die or something and you are like "fuck" and just get drunk and do stupid stuff that accidentally saves the world
You have super strength, But you need a key to open that wooden door.
The Hero is always a Fighter and romances the girl that is a healer/archer.
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yup
+Chris Decarvalho The hero is always a fighter? what boring rpgs are you playing?
+Chris Decarvalho Incidentally, female healers and female archers are almost a constant in RPGs
+DEATHBYFLYINGCDS urm final fantasy, final fantasy 2, final fantasy 3, final fantasy 4, final fantasy 5, final fantasy 6, final fantasy 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 15. Secret of mana, legend of zelda, legend of dragoon, earthbound, chrono trigger, dragon quest, super mario rpg, tales of phantasia, golden sun, basically every rpg worth naming ever
There's room for way more clichés.
-- The orphan Hero. To be a hero, it's almost a requirement to have dead parents.
-- The magical Healing Bed. You have 3rd degree burns, posonned by cyanide, AND have your guts poking out of your slashed belly? No problem, just go to sleep. You'll be perfectly fine!
-- Cant... pass... that... knee-high fence...
-- Rebel prince or princess with an attitude.
-- The vilain who want to conquer/destroy the world... just because.
-- The advisor was the real villain all along!
-- Monsters have wallets and backpacks filled with random stuff.
-- Overpowered adversary become a wimp once he join your team.
-- And more!
Le Kanraposte Here's another one for ya, antagonist is made to look all powerful throughout the whole game and actually ends up being piss easy to defeat. *Cough* Lord Lucien from Fable 2 *Cough* *Cough* Funnily enough Fable 2 also has the orphan cliche too as well as the "loved one murdered before protagonist's eyes" cliche.
MrFirewolf18 Let's be honest. Fable 2 really pulled one off the left feild with that villain. It's really extremely rare that the "all powerful" final boss of a RPG is a wimp on purpose. More often it's because we took too many sidequests and we did grind too much XP so that our power exceed the Final Boss's by a large margin.
Best example. In FF7, just play the game straight up and never bother with chocobo raising. Go fight Sephiroth. It will be one of the hardest and more rewarding battle you'll ever play. Luckily, that was my first experience. However, raise chocobos until you have the summon "Knights of the Round", grind to be able to kill Emeral Weapon, then go to Sephiroth. The fight will only last one round and will be very disapointing.
I've never played a FF game a day of my life because the only Sony product I own is a DVD player.
MrFirewolf18 Buy a Super Nintendo and Final Fantasy 3 (FFVI). Now, you don't have any fanboy excuses anymore and you'll play one of the best JRPG of all times.
It's not a "Fanboy excuse" I just don't feel the need to but a PS4 or anything like that when I already have two game consoles that work perfectly fine. Secondly, where am I gonna get a SNES? I'm not gonna get it off Amazon or anything because who knows, some fucker could just send me a toaster in a SNES box or something. But anyways this is turning into an argument even though it doesn't need to be.
Patrolling the comment section almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
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I swear ive heard a line similar like that somewhere. I just cant put my finger on it...
agidyne967 "Patrolling the Mojave Wasteland almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter."
Does that help?
JohnDanielTorrance Fuck yeah! When I got this assignment, I was hoping there would be more gambling.
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Like five of these things are justified
what is cliche
what is cliche
+Chara The Fallen Human Also Bosses always say "I hope they won't hit my Shield Generator on my back!"
+Eso Playz a cliche is an overly used saying, or... "thing".
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WatchMojo.com Another Cliche, theres a boss who will whoop your ass to set the tone for the game.
WatchMojo.com Oh oh oh also theres normally a much better weapon waiting in the most secretive area. That's the most cliche stuff ever!
WatchMojo.com no one else can do Anything
Translation to this is: SIDEQUEST
and here's another Cliché: DRAGONS
***** Are you the homophobe police? Keep your opinion to yourself
Why are ye so homophobic watch mojo
I want to play a rpg where you are the friend/sidekick to the person who is supposed to save the world, be an interesting view.
***** Thanks! I will have to check those out.
+Miragesty i wont spoil you anything but the Witcher 3 fits right in that catergory
+Morir es vivir I don't know about 12 but X sure as hell don't count. when people say 'sidekick', they mean the Robin-with-Batman type of sidekick, not the Kato-with-Green-Hornet kind. regardless if you're actually called the 'destined one' or some shit in the game, if you can kick ass better than your boss, then you're the lead guy, not your boss.
+Miragesty Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
+Miragesty Tales of Symphonia.
The skimpy armor thing is so true... how does that shit protect you from anything other than being completely naked
TayTay Preston Would be cool if the armor had to grow with you or had to change to fit your power.
TayTay Preston "Magic"
TayTay Preston bikini mail best mail =P
TayTay Preston Because the bikini armor carries the hopes and dreams of all men.
HackCyborg lol not gay ones.
Anybody else misread this as 'glitches' ?? :P
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How about a silent protagonist? I feel like many RPGs have them.
Silent protagonist are boring.
ManicallyMetal chell gordan, freeman
That's definitely one they missed.
water6teendragon fallout 4
ManicallyMetal Yes they are. Ever since Mass Effect, I can't stand silent protaganists.
(Games, where you cant jump)The gate is 1m high, you need a rare legendary artificial key to unlock it.
(Games, without fast trevel)"I want you to go to another continent and bring me 1 useless leaf from a tree"
(MMO games)"Only you can stop that monster, you're the chosen one, the whole world is counting on you!".......... *the boss is currently dead, check back later*
(quests in rpgs) Collect 5 fangs from wild wolves.... *slayed 20 wolves, only one fang collected*
For once I think WatchMojo perfectly nailed pretty much everything. They even alluded to the 'Macguffin Delivery Service' trope where you collect all the Macguffins only for the villain to show up and either steal them or force you to give them up.
I thought it said Top 10 RPG "Glitches" for some reason
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RPG Cliche: You are the only one with stamina/mana limitations.
+Doctor of Death Actually, that's only for old games. most new ones have such limitations applied to just about everyone.
+Falcon Windblade Well, mostly you still not realise it. At least not in Skyrim... how many times did he already shoot me with fireballs again? :I
But they're there, you can check that with the console.
Lasket
Oh you meant it that way... yeah, hate to admit it... but it really just seems like you're the only one in the game who can't keep up with everyone else around, despite being THE special dude...
Nah, Games like Earthbound and FF6 have their enemies with MP Limitations
Dragon Age origins' enemies have limited mana/stamina pools
Major props to Watch Mojo for the clip from Eternal Sonata while describing #2. I absolutely loved that game and feel like it went unnoticed.
Michelle DiPalo And I also appreciated how they showed a bit of Digaea at #9.
Michelle DiPalo They showed some really good RPGs in the video, including Golden Sun, my favourite of all.
Michelle DiPalo Eternal Sonata is my JAM. Really underappreciated!
ShaunRLAC Me and my husband have each only played it a few times, but it's a game that we refuse to trade in and we even made it the background theme on our PS3 and haven't changed it in about 4 years maybe more.
Michelle DiPalo I know right, Jazz was such a badass.
"I should go."
"I should go."
"I should go."
"We'll bang, okay?"
The Centre smosh :v
No matter the amazing feats you do like kill the most legendary monster or saved a planet or killed a dragon that threatened your world, people still want to fuck with you. You can have the most powerful weapons/armor but their is always a fucking bandit that thinks they can take you on...
Waking up at the beggining
Bender B. Rodriguez LoL i never really thought about that one fallout 3, fallout NV and skyrim are all examples
MadShyPie Not to mention the majority of ToZ games.
Well fallout 3 you were being born, idk if it's the same as the others.
Expuhlse -Nick Later on in the game you wake up to see amata when you are at the age 18 doe ;p it doesn't have to be at the very start of the game
Bender B. Rodriguez holy shit I never even thought of that! The witcher 2 and 3, Dragon age Inquisition, mass effect, fallout 3, skyrim, mass effect 2. And a bunch that I can't name off my head
"Hurry, you must save the world!"
"Yeah, yeah, just after this side quest ... i think."
You acquire a boat midway through the game then an airship nearer the end.
Your characters are a bunch of 16/17 year olds who manage to beat hundreds of trained and seasoned soldiers.
You beat the 'main boss' midway through the game, then discover that 'someone else' was in fact behind it all, and you now have to go on another quest to find and stop them.
You can travel the world without a passport or any hassle from border patrol/customs, and every country and town uses the same currency.
You discover the most powerful legendary weapon in the world and it just happens to be suited to your main character.
No one has any issue with your character just barging into their house, and anyone inside will offer you advice.
You defeat monsters with weapons 1/10000th of their size.
Random encounters around the third town are much more powerful than the boss of the first dungeon.
If you can recruit monsters/enemies to fight for you, they will always be much weaker than when you needed to fight them.
No matter how outlandish your weapon (umbrellas, spoons, megaphones, sentient dolls...), the local weaponsmith will always have one for you.
No matter how badass your female lead, they will always be totally helpless if they are captured.
Spells, no matter how widespread their damage in the animation, will leave no lasting scars on your surrounding.
We all should use RPG maker to make weapons that give -30 speed if worn
Now THAT is a LEGENDARY weapon at last!
+actionbastard Thumbs up for the 16/17 year old characters, in particular. It's basically a staple of every JRPG, ever.
That "someone else" is always trying to either revive a God of destruction or BE a God of destruction. EITHERWAY YOU GONNA USE THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP TO BEAT HIS/HER ASS
actionbastard Yes, that sounds a lot like Fire Emblem Awakening.
"Do you really need all those items?"
Answer: I will need them someday, therefore I must grab as much as I can just in case.
SLIMES??? where are the slimes??? those are always the first enemies you encounter!!!
+Scythe Knightheart They get mentioned in the section about Rats, bats, spider, and skeletons
they do? o well.
ask your mother, she can do it better :)
im glad shes dead, and go fuck yourself.
+Rias Gremory I'd gladly fuck myself to your pictures ;)
Weird how they showed Sora whenever they were talking about The Chosen One. He wasn't chosen, he just happened to be at the right place at the right time.
REOrulz And with amnesia one, they showed Tidus, who was just faking it in that part to not freak people out.
And with kingdom hearts, Riku was more of the chosen one then anything, because of tera. Haha
scotte220 Exactly
I sense some irony!
krapfantasy How so?
REOrulz well, they may knowingly have picked examples where it seemingly fits, but where it in reality does not.
"Thinking with the Wrong Head Rule" -- The hero will be willing to risk his life for any female he met only five minutes ago.
*1.) The end of the World, but...:* The world coming to a end or something bad is going to happen to [X], but there's always time to go on 20+ side quests before you decide to get on with the plot.
*2.) Chip off the old block:* Your father/mother was a [X] & died/gone missing for [X] among of years. People say you remind them of your mother/father.
*3.) You & your party is the most colorful characters:* You really can't miss them. They have more details then that one expressionless npc next to them.
This is the reason I love KOTOR so much. I'm playing the game again on my iPad and it's amazing how Bioware grabbed like 4 or 5 cliches that are on this list and created the best plot twist in gaming history.
I never thought that a protagonist with amnesia that is conventionally the chosen one to save the galaxy could be so damn convincing.
The one area so entertaining that you forget the world needs saving. Golden Saucer, Monster Arena, Gran Pulse, the Colosseum in the Tales Series...
RPG Cliche: Dragons are almost ALWAYS evil. Why can't the hero actually BE a dragon more often? Breath of Fire and DQ8: Journey of the Cursed King are the only ones I've heard of that have that quirk, where Dragon's aren't all or mostly evil...
+Mandy Robbins (SakuraNippon) Divinity Dragon Knight Saga... you can transform into a dragon...
The point was that there are too many games which have all dragons evil.
Mandy Robbins
well, i just inform you that there was a decent rpg that made you transform into a dragon... you can check it out on steam...
There's the issue of MONEY and the TIME OF YEAR. :P It's not right to get YOURSELF a present for christmas or whatever other holiday you celebrate, after all.
+Mandy Robbins (SakuraNippon) its the perfect time to get yourself a gift xD
I don't know but I'm starting to get tired of the 15 year old protagonist being able to beat seasoned 30+ year old generals. 30 is not old Japan.....
IKR!!
for soccer players it is, thats the end of their careers preaty much. I guess japanese people like soccer... Plus the fact they love young little students in school uniforms. So, yeah.
+David James highschool days for me was the most memorable and joyful of all the stages of life so i won't be surprised if that was the case why it is very cliched.
Before the advancement of medical science 30 was old. In fact most people were married and already starting families by 13 because the average life span was around 50 and a lot of RPGs are based on these time periods.
As a 30+ year old, I can confirm that 30 is indeed old. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go complain about my aching back.
Wow, clips of Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Phantasia. I am impressed!
greasefreak1234 also 1 from tales of zestirea i think
Ya I cried a little when I saw Symphonia
"Or the 12 Days of Christmas" LOL Perfect. 10/10
Grunt: Shepherd
Shepherd:Grunt
Rex:Shepherd
Shepherd: Rex
shortest 3 way conversation ever
A favorite clique of mine is spikey/outrageous hair protagonist. One I hate is everything can be done as long as you have friendship.
What about death of a major character. In nearly every RPG I've played at least one crucial character dies.
BlackPikmin1998 How is that a cliche? People die if they are killed.
davernrush thank you sherlock
pie rsquared pretty sure that was a fate/stay night reference.
BlackPikmin1998 It's not really RPG exclusive.
davernrush Give me my banana's turtle.
Lol i though the title said "Glitches".... needless to say I was a bit confused after watching it
Same bud
5:50 "You're never find a hero who just got drunk (to lost their memory) and has to also save the world." Except for Vanilla Bean from Steambot Chronicles. Him waking up with amnesia made me expect that he had some key role in the story but NOPE the guy was just some smuck who ended up being the main hero!
Gets blackout drunk, hits his head, and coincidentally has to save the world. Conker's Bad Fur Day.
Some ideas:
Top 10 Asian Films
Top 10 European Films
Top 10 Australien Films
Top 10 African Films
Top 10 South American Films
Top 10 Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction storys
Top 10 most tense movies of all time
NeoCommander German films are the worse
Ridll1 The most of them are bad but there are also some good ones like "Der Untergang", "Die Welle" and "Das Experiment" and some classics like "Das Kabinett des Dr. Caligari", "Metropolis" and "Nosferatu". Definetly worth making a list.
SCHNITZEL
Christopher Langer too many good Asian and European movies to make just top 10's for the whole... they would lkely have to split them up. Top 10 Chinese, top 10 Japanese, top 10 Korean, top 10 Indian etc etc etc.... and for Europe, top 10 British, top 10 French, top 10 German, top 10 Italian etc etc etc
Christopher Langer you spelt Australian wrong
Here's one for you. Lovers.
Ah, finally, after slaying the dragon lord that almost destroyed the planet, I can just kick back and reeeeeeeela-. Oh, hey babe. Didn't see ya there.
No matter how you slice it, in most RPGs, it's always either implied or flat out said that the girl always travelling with you is supposed to be dating you or another major party member. Which is cool and all, especially if you're playing a darker RPG and can use that romance as an escape, but if you play multiple RPGs, it starts feeling like the romance has devolved from magical to you just have a harem.
Trunks1stApprentice What's wrong with a harem?
Trunks1stApprentice Which RPG you are talking about? Those lesser known Japanese RPG?
Because nowaday, I don't see Harem in any of the major (Western or Eastern) RPG. Usually there are a bunch of romance options you can choose from, but when you choose one, the others are no longer available. Or it can be like a bunch of casual sex (like in Saints Row 4).
heronumber009 Conception was at least well known enough for an English release to be a thing. And shitty combat system aside, the story made it to where you needed to literally ROMANCE every single girl and replay the story until you got a file where all of them were romanced, which resulted in an ending where it was basically a harem. A harem where each girl had genuine feelings for the main protagonist and he returned those feelings, but a harem nonetheless.
***** RPGs like Final Fantasy 7 with the choices for Cloud's date, Persona 4 with all the potential lovers all around, and Fire Emblem with potential lovers AND the children you spawn with those lovers make it feel real.
But Conception, as I've stated, devolves into a harem once you realize the end goal with the romance, and it feels much less special.
You can scale a twenty foot wall no problem but can't hop over a knee high fence nope sorry but that's a fence not a wall so.... you'll have to go around
Or the, "you can jump off a 20,000 foot tower and land in a one foot pile of hay and be fine but if you fall off a two foot and one inch wall you die because it's one inch too high" bullshit, like wtf is this!!
god im getting triggered about the word fence after i played witcher 3
you can jump off a small step but you ncant climb it back off... wait sry wrong genre...
Your character fails to block and evade because his skill is basically based on imaginary dice rolls.
3:21 shirtless dude in the back working his ass off during snowfall. No time to feel cold during war time.
The love interest of the hero is either a princess or childhood friend...
what about grinding?
Holy crap I didn't even think about that but that is the number one worst rpg element.
+e3102bete talkin about cliches not gameplay elements -.-
Ben Leenman oh okay I'm sorry, it's the worst rpg cliche
I hate how apparently none of the enemies you fight in RPGs have names unless they're important, its always just "guard" or "merchant" or "old lady" and then you fight some important boss and he has a sweet name like "kickalotofassicus" but his minions are just "thug" or "henchman" why not "Jeff with three kids" or "Susan with a glandular problem"??
naming mob ? aint nobody got time for that
*The end of the world awaits patiently for you to grind until level 99 and do all the side quests.*
I love how you showed Witcher 3 at the end, considering how many other tropes it subverts.
Geralt isn't the main character, isn't truly special (besides being a Witcher), doesn't have amnesia, is as morally fluid as the person playing, has a restriction on his inventory, carries a tiny amount of gear into actual combat, and his weapons and armor are period specific and realistic in scale.
It's probably why I plunked over 80 hours into the game and broke my DLC cherry when I purchased both content packs.
I wish people would fucking list the names of the games they use in their videos.
Golden Sun! 2:00. Fantastic game series for the GBA.
The less armor I wear the more powerful I become!
Cliche: A companion that the game forces you to stick with who has the intelligence of a slug and the speed of a turtle
"You'll never feind a hero who just got black out drunk one night, hit his head on the pavement, and coincidentally also has to save the world"
Conker.
It would be interesting to see these Korean mmorpgs on the PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, or Xbox One: Scarlet Blade, Terra, Black Desert, Blade and Soul, Rohan, Azera, Vindictus, and Eternal City.
Who else wants a next gen skyrim
It's called pc with ENB mods.
This is the type of shit people say when Skyrim was their first rpg, Elder Scrolls game or Bethesda game
Nick Platt I want next gen Skyrim so badly
Nick Platt *Elder Scrolls. Do people not realize Skyrim is the fifth installment?
Justin Nguyen No, like we are saying take Skyrim and upgrade it to New Gen. Add a few new features or something. Like what they did with GTA V, Assassins Creed IV, and a lot of other games.
You forgot that magical weapon the hero always has, like The Monado, The Master Sword, The Buster Sword and so on.
The buster sword wasn't magical
In fact all it is, is a sword made from the last of a poor families money, given to a first class solider, given to an apprentice, given to a friend who stole their identity
deathblade32 Hm... Well the only thing I know from Final Fantasy is Cloud so...
+Pogohg Don't talk if you know so little then...
Falcon Windblade To be fair I did think it had some special power. But yeah, you are right. Sorry...
The Master Sword isn't from an RPG
The final boss always has some kind of kickass final form. That's one cliche they tend to use a lot
The main hero's love interest is usually some VIP, such as princess or priestess, typically joining the party as a healer, especially in JRPGs. They often want to portray her as the "perfect" girlfriend or ultimate caregiver.
I kept noticing how barely any of these apply to EarthBound.
Cory, get outta here.
Also, Ness can only hold ten around 10 things,like a real backpack. 5 is true as is number 2.
Very true. Although, you don't usually have 10 baseballs bats in your inventory.
+CoryPortal In Earthbound, you dont carry multiple weapons. At the VERY end of the game, ness will hold 2 bats... IF you are super duper, ridiculously lucky. The casey jones bat and the legendary bat.
Inventory management in earthbound is actually an interesting part of the game.
Also, number 5 doesn't really apply, because your first fights are against the end game enemies lol. Buzz buzz saves you ofc.
+CoryPortal Number 2 certainly applies to earthbound though haha.
Once again you guys confuse tropes and cliches, assuming they are the same. they are similar, but they're not synonyms.
***** You do realize a synonymy is a word that is similar but not exact right so they are synonyms.
0604gamer Okay, maybe I should rephrase that, they are SOMEWHAT similar, but not similar enough to be synonyms. You have to have a certain degree of similarity before the words can be interchangeable and trope and cliche aren't.
Synonyms are words that mean the same or close to the same, but cliche and trope are not that similar.
Were you trying to argue with me or just trying to be anal retentive? Because the latter is annoying.
What do you think a cliche is? It's a trait that is almost always connected to a genre (or idea), and because troupe is usually for a physical object they used cliche correctly.
***** what is a trope? I looked it up on Google but it said "a figurative or metaphorical use of a word or expression.".
A trope is a common, reoccurring element in fiction.
A cliche is an overused element that lacks originality.
Again, they are similar, but different. A trope is neither good nor bad and in genres, it can become expected. An old, wise mentor character is a trope. Having an inventory is an RPG is a trope.
A cliche, on the other hand, is usually viewed negatively and that the creator(s) have no originality. A good example of this is a hero not looking back at explosions, or the main character of an anime or JPRG having big hair.
I think a cliche can be a trope, but not vice versa. I'm not 100% on it. It's like the whole square versus rectangle thing. A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't necessarily a square. This is what I was saying about them not being synonyms even though they were similar. Square is not a synonym of rectangle even though they're similar. They have slightly different qualifiers.
you can never say no
WOW, Watchmojo FINALLY represented some form of the Tales series! hopefully they will continue to shine on it, it is such an underrated series
You know you're playing a JRPG when you use the power of friendship to beat a god
"You'll never find a hero who blacked out drunk, and now has to save the world." ... ahem... Conker's Bad Fur Day. You have him in some of your top 10's... Doofuses.
Yeah cause Conker's Bad Fur Day is a RPG....
+Ralph Strocchia also they said hit there head and remember nothing.
Mojo really loves Xenoblade it seems.
Not really, they ignore it most of the time in their lists
They love shitty dead, shital 2, and final shitasy.
YoungTheFish Everyone that's ever played it loves Xenoblade
YoungTheFish and yet, they dont give it enough love..
this amazing game deserve much more recognition!
The opponent/villian has MOSTLY something to do with undeads. Prove me wrong.
I loved the brief Tales of Symphonia moment. Made my morning.
“Wake up, main character! You’re gonna be late for the thing!!”
The beginning to every RPG ever.
No silent protagonist? ... ... ...!
wow Fallout 1 avoids almost if not all those cliches
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tell me your argument
Ok no need to be the ultra hard core we all know fallout 1 and 2 suck
Elijah Ploeg
no they don't is just that you didn't get used to the gameply mechanics
Gaming Foxy it's not the mechanics they aren't nearly like the others and 3 and up are the only good ones and ones that people play
Dragons are rare or have been gone for a while cliche.
impossible puzzles that force you to look for guides online and then think "how on earth was I even supposed to get that?!"
I didn't think about the hoarder with the bottomless backpack! LOL I would say another cliche has to do with NPCs NOT really helping you. At times, you may find the odd person who will actually give you something for free. The world may come to an end and shopkeepers, along with average people, will not do anything to help you! You will still be charged for equipment, weapons, and items to prepare yourself for the final battle! LOL There are also some instances where you have to do a side quest(s) to be eligible for a discount in some shops, but you are still held accountable to pay something :) Great video!
What about androgynous villains? XD
Insolence "I am evil, but my long flowing hair and beautiful eyes say otherwise"
Justin Nguyen dioooo
Justin Nguyen OMG are you referring to Sephiroth?
+Justin Nguyen ohhhhh the truth
whats the game they show for the skimpy armour... asking for a friend.
Ryan P lol sure you are ;p
Tera
Undertale
A RPG with (almost) no cliches
Enzo Lopes undertale is a horrible earthbound rip-off seriously the boss music is just remixes from the last boss
"Good day!"
*Enough talk.*
Well then...
Man, I haven't seen Golden Sun in years. Thanks, WatchMojo.
Also. Clothes/armor which only fits a certain character in your party and absolutely nobody else.
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6:06 I love The Bard's Tale! Almost every area in the game has at least one "Chosen One" who either dies shortly after claiming to be the Chosen One, or is already dead. And they're always frail and pasty skinned. Of course, The Bard is the real Chosen One.
A coffee cup? Sure, put it with the 37 other coffee cups.
A pistol? Put it with the 15 other identical pistols, might have a special part.
Brain fungus? Yes, I want some brain fungus. I'll just scrape it off the wall.
You forgot scorpions and undeads and zombies and also weapons that are always on fire or constantly iced and of course are always glowing!
2:08 It cracks me up that they cut away just before you see what's upstairs: A couple banging. He yells at you, you leave, and then can't return.
Being next to useless in anything than suddenly becoming an expert in most things and getting a headstart on combat.
Elemental dungeons, shops that are willing to buy anything,party members stand out in the crowd even when the npcs are from the same class, swords no matter what era you live and so on...
4 crystals, 7 stars, 12 days of christmas? Forget that, I need 3 sacred stones, 6 elements of Harmony, a Forerunner artifact, and 24 diamonds.
Finally! A WatchMojo video that mentions the Tales franchise.
You missed: 50ft giant villain launching a swarm of meteors at the hero for 10 damage, while the 10 year old hero counterattacks with a stick for OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!
My favorite, following a bad guy into a dungeon, yet the dungeon seems mysteriously undisturbed. No dead monsters, no sprung traps, locked doors everywhere and all the keys are still sitting around to be found.
The guy who never had the courage to go and see what's on the other side of the mountain.
"The world is out of order, you need the 4 magic crystals, or the 7 stars, or the 12 days of Christmas"
xDDDDD lolz
It makes me happy inside that I knew what the vast majority of those games where.
"I'm a clearly experienced warrior who knows what's going on, so consider me your ally. And by that, I mean I'll just appear where you need to go and tell you what you need to do there instead of actually fighting alongside you. The Hero of Legend doesn't need physical help." Yeah. Thanks a lot, Ashei.
Random NPC in many old school japanese role playing games (or JRPG):
"How come my line has no voice-over?
Is it because we're extras?
This sucks."
The childhood friend. The backstabber. Expository speech from the villain before the final fight. A battle you automatically loose. Teenage protagonists.
6:04 Oh,how i loved Bard's Tale.Always wanted to replay it,but never got to it. :]
Kudos for playing clips from The Bard's Tale :3
So happy to see so much Golden Sun in this video! It's one of my favorite games