I Interviewed the Coder Who is Ruining the Colosseum
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Nah.
Would be nice and much easier to hear the other person speak if you didnt play music at the same time.
@@kylegert1564 adhd debuff
5000 x $100 is $500,000.00 Not $50,000
$500,000 not $50,000. Wild stuff
🤦🏼♂️ yeah wow, $500k
quick maffs
also he says he charges that $100 for 6 hours of access in which someone could get multiple capes so not the most accurate way to gather how much he made
@MiningBlock my buddy used a script that looked pretty much identical like this one for his pures inferno cape. Probably the same creator
@@SirPugger changes a bit the impact of this script on this guys life...
The more insane thing to me is that theres such a high amount of people willing to pay a non trivial amount of money to bypass pvm challenges
money talks. people like nice things
This is why people need to value their own achievements, comparing themselves to others is ruining the game worrying about the botting issue is ruining the game, people gotta get healthier mentally and accept that theres not enough that can possibly be done
Yeah paying money to avoid doing hard content so you can have a small upgrade at easy content is a formula that ill never understand 😂
@@AltmerSupremacy It makes sense. My perspective is that they believe that they must have trendy stuff. Like for example iphones and etc. They want to avoid being called a "cheesecaper". Then they like to play pretend that they got their inferno cape (which is not that hard regardless) instead of getting it for themselves. People will also buy gear or bonds instead of achieving their own gear which is in relation to buying bots or inferno capes.
Skill issue. Boomer millennials gotta git gud
5k times 100 is 500k your math is off
Congrats, you fell into the video comment engagement trap.
agreed
@@bernardomotardso did you by responding to the trapped civilians, and yes, so did i by responding to you
*This is why we can’t have nice things.*
Like all mmos when they drop new content. First 2 hours to make bank next
Next 10 to profit. And then next few days it it's a all time low before stabilising
How did he not notice that math oversight hahaha
cause pugger promotes this shit 24/7
@@mrcool76789 pugger promotes botting?
This is why I quit RuneScape why would I waste my life if botters arent even legit
That script is nuts. Crazy how it can basically solve the game by itself. This tech is really getting out of hand, and I can only imagine it'll get worse.
It's a cool script for sure. Doesn't sound like it even uses machine learning, it's more like a chess bot, planning its moves 20 ticks into the future.
The tech to do these things has been around for a while, it's just that people who are good at coding usually move onto bigger things that aren't RuneScape botting.
@@CarlosFlores-pl3lbidk 500k sounds motivating
Dont ml would have great applications in botting. You could emulate player behaviour very accurate but I'm not sure if it would be worthwhile
@@tomc.5704 Its called q-learning (which is machine learning). It's an algorithm for learning the values for all state action pairs.
I wish he talked more about how he represented the game as a state & actions because thats always the hardest part of the problem.
Gotta be honest, that’s a sick bot. The writer knows his shit
Yeah he knows his shit. But he doesn't care about the safety of his customers. Better off just servicing it or doing it yourself. This is an expensive ban.
Pugger just advertising services at this point lol
Bro gave the most insane sales pitch and then was like hehe don't use them 😉
@@bort_p the Spencer Cornelia of osrs
He is the jagex middle man, no one else "has a direct line to talk to jagexs teams" like this guy because the bot farmers that run in the game pay for protection. He is an advertiser, and also goes after no-pay/delinquent bot farmers who haven't paid for their protection.
Tldr: jagex employees that do the banning and muting are running protection for bot farms and target nonpay or new script makers.
The guy who was head of security was legit running those high stake duels with that tran gf of his.
People still wonder whats going on, lol
@@alexdenommee3219 Any proof for everything you are saying?
He's been doing this for years, how do you think he has all these contacts? And why do you think all these scripters are so willing to speak to a potential 'Narc' playing the good guy, its a front youtube acc to promote new bots. He's just very intelligent in the way he does it.
7:45 that maths... lol, might be missing a 0 there
No it's correct after the tax is gone off.
how is it wrong
@@ChodeMaster Because 5000 x 100 = 500,000
He likely made the mistake on purpose just to get more people leaving comments 😅
I'm gonna be honest. I don't have an interest in botting in terms of XP or GP generation, but writing the scripts is extremely tempting. It just seems like an amazing puzzle to solve and a great way to get better at coding.
And then if you ever want to ignore the moral side of things you could sell the scripts, but that's a lot less attractive.
its stressful but pays off and is gratifying when you have success. but ya trust me its stressful af when you cant figure out why its not working
just do it bro lol start today
Yeah I mean afterall one of the biggest bot scripters, jacmob, got employed at Jagex due to his puzzle solving obsession aka making bots that jagex couldnt stop.
I was thinking the same. I may look into some private servers and stuff
@@BassManiac07lamo, guy got shangaid
9:50 you can get it if you lose your membership in the soul wars waiting room
Tbh this is the most impressive algorithm/bot and props to the creator of it. I’m not condoning botting but this is very impressive
This is definetely an ad
big old ad
Its very interesting though!
Scripts like the one shown are super interesting to me. Not something i personally would use but as it uses some sort of AI to make the decisions i would be genuinely curious to see someone make a fully AI bot that just plays the game to see what kind of weird methods it finds thats we dont know about. Like give the AI access to the wiki to learn and let it run with the goal of maxing, achievement diarys, quest cape, and combat achievements. Im sure it would get banned fairly quickly if it was streamed or made into a YT series before it was finished but genuinely curious if a fully AI bot like that could just play the game.
Then apply the same ai programming to optimise human life! this is probably why so many fear the rapid development of ai
What i mean to say is that doing so spoils the fun of discovery. Everything becomes a pointless, the journey is lost with the focus just being point to point. Much like life: focus too much on the end of it and you miss the journey.
@@GRiM_aZoR the journey would be watching the AI bot learning how to play in order to max
other would be elon musk neuralink playing osrs with your thought
@@GRiM_aZoRlmao it’s not that deep
"I just so happened to have immediate contact with the owner of the bot after being tipped off by multiple people" bro, we aren't fucking 14 anymore.
Well, he’s covering his tracks, part of not being 14 anymore.
You see it, I see it, we all see it but when it comes to “THE BIG MAN” it’s all he said she said unless you cover your tracks.
dude, he's famous. It's not hard to get interviews if you're youtube famous. Especially interviews in the niche category of content you make videos on. I wouldn't expect him to be able to interview idk presidential candidates or anything, these are probably people who have seen his videos and know of him. I imagine some of the bot using people just do it for fun and would be happier being interviewed by someone youtube famous.
Stfu
Funny how, excluding uniques, running wave 1 is almost more profitable than completing a run.
Funny or poor game design when jagex knows bots would be on top of it.
@@TheZeagon
Guess it was tough for them to estimate how much a splinter would sell for since the “default” price they set it to was 100gp
@@TheZeagon
Tbh, I wouldn’t have foreseen it to be such a good money maker either. Considering the low requirements, I would’ve expected the market to have evened out already.
@@-ZHthis may have changed in the past few years, but in the past at least jagex has been consistently way off with the default prices. Also it may be intentional design for longrun to push the splinter prices down even if we were to assume, wrongly I believe, that jagex doesn't account for bots bringing in raw materials to the economy
@@-ZH nahhh man they knew, they knew it took 150k splinters to charge each quiver, and many people completing it day 2 or 3 would need all those charges for it. that much demand in a short span will drive prices through the roof. prime time for botting and obviously someone took the opportunity. but jagex definitely knew, it was just very stupid for them to put that amount of splinters on wave 1 reward.
I'll be honest, I'm very surprised on how complex the bot is. As I've always thought, the only botter worth praising is the one that developed the code, because if you ignore the use for it, a lot of work went into it. Calculating the safety tiles is just pure genius, on real time, while thinking about everything else, plus the guy understands perfectly how the mechanics works. Given this, I even believe the developed of this bot if given the effort can actually clear the Colosseum legitimately, as he knows how mechanic works and how his bot calculates where to move. This is why it's worth praising only.
On the other hand, the users of the bot only deserve shame.
For me, it's like the thing about kids being able to use cellphones at young ages. It's not that they're smart, it's that the developers behind the phone and their apps are smart enough to make their app intuitive enough for a young child to use it.
Yeah I mean he's cheating and selling his cheats, thus ruining the integrity of the game. Sure, the technical side of things is always interesting to see but it sucks when I hear that he's selling it.
Not saying it would be morally any better if he kept the cheats to himself, but it really just shows how much people like this don't care about the integrity of the video game they're abusing.
Would be interesting to see the green tile and safe tile indicators as a plugin. Very questionable plugins but I'd like to see how a player with the same tools can compare to a computer, just for the sake of science
@@forthehomies7043Only marginally better than people like woox abusing the tick system, but selling it is pretty trash
calculating the value of each tile is honestly pretty basic, though. every amateur game dev and compsci student has done pathfinding algorithms that do similar stuff. it's hard to implement in game like, say, doom eternal, because even though enemy behavior is relatively simple, the world and its properties can't be so neatly sectioned into discrete tiles.
in runescape, the game is already tile-based and the enemy behavior is deterministic, so it should be relatively simple to simulate the outcome of each action. with a whopping 0.6 seconds between discrete world states, that's a huge amount of time you can spend computing the outcomes in real-time.
im honestly tempted to make a bot of my own as a little practice project. there are games with healthy botting communities where they compete against each other to see who can develop the best bots, i kinda wanna do that for runescape... sucks that in this game it'll inherently damage the experiences of normal players, though.
@@sleepyzephyep, this guy said it right, it's not that complex, plus the environment of the colosseum is pretty small, so even calculating future steps are pretty inexpensive, one could do the whole thing on an n dimensional matrix, apply some discrete reinforcement learning algorithm, and done. Tho fine tuning the rewards structure and the params for training requires some experience
The way the bot works reminds me of a chess engine, finding moves that regular chess grandmasters haven't begun to consider. Very impressive, ngl
Mans unlocked the engagement farming skillcape with his maths
That is absolutely mad. I remember watching the evolution robots learn to walk a few years ago and thinking "huh, how neat" but didn't suspect things would get so advanced so fast as to reduce my favorite game to its base parts with a script that, by all accounts in its intelligence, seems capable of learning and mastering any and all content.
So if anything it also reminds me of that story we read in school about the miner and the auto mining machine (I think it also had a spongebob episode actually) where the machine breaks down and the guy dies just as he wins the race. _I guess we know the real version of the story now._
old school botscape
already quit osrs, and this just honestly reinforces my reasons to not return,
at 1kea, sunfire splinter farming is 6-7m per hour. at higher it just goes up (17-25 second rounds)
The simulator is like analysing a chess board, insane
Do love watching prayers get swapped without tabbing into prayer book. What a game
I'm curious how this is being done
this is so utterly fascinating and I love that he charges huge amounts for it and people still buy it. I love how analytically it breaks down the game. this is always how easy the game could be analyzed and made to be efficient. TAS that solves itself type beat
Have you seen all of the high level bots killing rune dragons? Did a task there and each world had 2-3 in some pretty expensive gear
This is noottt good at all, the bots will soon expand to billionaire-bots grinding out all of varlamore. Holy shit!
Omg so you mean varlamore will be treated exactly the same as 100% of every other content in the game? Aka infested with scripts
This script uses a branch of Machine Learning referred to as Reinforcement Learning. The main components are states, agents, actions, and a heuristic function. In this context, a state can be simply defined as a collection of the player's location/gear/prayers/hp, monster locations/hp/safespotted within the bounds of the colloseum - you can imagine that there are many possible combinations of these variables aka many states. The agent, in this case the player, has a set number of actions they can take at any state such as changing prayers, eating, changing gear, attacking monsters, or moving tiles.
The heuristic function is the main component which decides how good this script is. Effectively, this function calculates a Reward or Cost for each possible state upon taking a certain action. These are the values you can see on the tiles. The script then executes the action based on the state action pair that has the optimal Reward or Cost.
The reason why this script was able to successfully work on new content so quickly is as stated by the Creator, the core definition of a state or possible player actions is the same for pretty much any other PVM content in the game such as the Inferno. The only changes that needed to be made, if any, are custom agents for new monsters with new mechanics.
What would it take to get on such a lvl coding wise
@@casino998 You need to be a fucking bit of a genius, this kind of understanding doesn't happen in a couple of years, the dude has probably been doing this shit for over a decade.
The creator said "Its not life changing money I've made" after producing a script that has made over $500,000 and will continue to do so; he is probably already a highly paid software dev as it is.
@@pizzaplanet646Not really, you learn most of these concepts and how to implement them in a university AI course. Could easily learn this all in less than year, and have pretty good success given you’re sufficiently motivated. Seems like a fun project to do… avoiding detection using this methodology instead of hard coding mechanics seems pretty neat too. Too bad it’s against ToS, but would be fun to experiment with
@@casino998 Typically 3-4 years. The main reason why is there are many prerequisites such as Math, Statistics, Data Structures & Algorithms, and proficiency in at-least one language before you even can start on AI/ML. You’d be surprised to hear that the ability to code is actually not the hard part here, rather it is the “vehicle” used to learn/implement the other things mentioned.
@@FCBmesi282 No
How dare you put an ad before he announces his in game profit
How is it changing prayers without opening the prayer tab?
hell yeah I love Vallamore
Oops 🤦🏼♂️
@@SirPuggerlol my friend says it like that and i give him shit every time
Crazy how the bot computes runs with tiles the same way chess engines compute moves
Runescape should add puzzle captchas before being able to enter any boss instances😆
To be honest this bot is super impressive. The simulation and ability to discover knew ways to defeat the boss. What the hell.
this is just terrifying, dude is speaking literal words of the gods i will never understand
Can't wait to play in October
I dont bot but that one is super fascinating. Wish I could've been there when he made it to see how he did it. I really like that it figures out the best odds per tile. Gotta be so resources heavy. The problem for Jagex is that no matter what they do to make it unique, the bot can counter it.
Cheers for the plug
Please do something at LMS. botting at levels 53, 60, 61, and some 120-126.. the 60 bracket is operating on some very obvious AHK. and can make them follow anywhere, while one is trying to attack you other bots won't agro so you can win games running around them forcing them into the fog w/ barrage.
I saw one ahrims/d boots/ancient staff/no cape. I thought it was a noob but after bank standing for 20 mins it was resetting after a few mins with no banking. (not death resetting either)
This is INSANE
Great 10 minute ad and even included the price.
My man detuks got sirpugger to advertise his plugins, nice ❤
Had to scroll all the way down to find it haha. Detuks is the man
And you just let me and everybody else know about this guy and now he will get alot more offers, goodjob!
I've seen this script in a discord. Its crazy how fast these guys figured that one out.
Man like Detuks killing it
he sounds chill tbqh
just a dev at the end of they, we're all chill normally xD
sounds like a russian hacker lmao
So it's like a chess AI but with spells, cooldowns, and LoS mechanics. The best way to counteract it would be to program the enemies to be less predictable and controllable by the player's own movements.
Bots will counter any and every set of implementations against them. Realistically how much does the bots affect your gameplay (excluding crowding some niche spots). If you enjoy the game bots doesn't matter, if you don't enjoy the game it's not because of bots.
wheres the link so i can buy the script.
dont forget to use code "pugger" for 20% off!
Good to hear Detuk his voice!😂
Me: Took 10 hours to finally beat wave 3.
Botters: *Your flesh is weak. I craved the strength and certainty of steel.* * bots the entire Colosseum in the first week. *
This is actually really cool, and complex
im just confused how the bot can change prayer without being on the prayer tab at all?
Eyyy look who moving up in the sponsorship world.
I've subbed to the channel for years now and legit have to search your name every time to see if a new video is up. Not sure why, but YT refuses to put you in my main page.
love how excited pugger is about all that xd
7:39 pugger what are you smoking? 5,000 x 100 = 500,000 you add two zeros.
It’s a comment bait. Learn how UA-cam works pal.
@@HeroesFail bro you're feeding into the comment bait. I was paid by sirpugger to bait you into commenting. you're so stupid haha
Which video was about the inferno bot?
a huge new continent called vallamoor was just released.
Detuks back at it again
so the f2p bots are prob training for the bot farm i saw at soul wars a few days ago. There was prob 100 bots in rune platelegs, rune chain, and a sara sword. Last I saw them was on world 411 I think but unsure since i couldn't figure out how to long on that world.
Whole reason I started to code and go into datascience was to create a runescape bot as advanced as this back when I was as a kid. Love getting the developer's view point, beating myself I never thought to put a simulator over a qlearning/reinforcement algo. Fun lil side project incoming :)
dont have twitter, so seen a ton of blue dragon bot in the ogre caves lately alot of world i hoped around on had 1-3. mid 80s to 100ish focus on str and useing the granite rune setups with dragon sword. gl with the bot bustin
lol these guys only talk to you to advertise their shit, you are doing more harm than good with these.. and you know it man.
he's getting paid so he doesn't care
idk if it would even be a target but I'm pretty worried about bots showing up in the new calcified bone mine in Cam Torum. I mean it's not a big place and it already feels super crowded without bots. Gonna check your video history to see if you got a vid on what to look for when suspecting someone is a bot before reporting anyone I think looks off.
report em all n let the people who get paid to sift through em sort it out.
Jeez, that script is so cool I can't even be mad. Just in awe really
The South Park reference in the beginning from the WOW episode 😂
I think you're the only one who commented on it!!
The way he describes it sounds a lot like Q-learning to me. It's an interesting, albeit more oldschool machine learning algorithm. There's some nice explanations on how it works online
w0w crazy how jagex cant even stop this day 1 in THEIR OWN GAME and have never been able to
except...bot nuke 1 and 2 8-10 years ago...when over 1/3rd of the runescape playerbase "quit" aka when the bots finally got banned. Wonder why they can't repeat that? maybe making money is more important than being ethically correct.
They did lol. Check the ban reports.
I don't like botting because it devalues a lot of items. BUT i'm really impressed of how the bot is working and that with the right techniques can easily adapt to other uses.
Osrs has been solved like chess. Literally impossible to be better at it than an algorithm that calculates the best move statisticaly.
@SirPugger
I spotted melee combat bots at the sandcrabs below hosidius.
All their stats were 1 expect for att str and hp. they all stacked with a few bots on 1 tile. I spotted them 2 days ago. Dont know if they still there.
RuneScape seems like such a fun playground for developing automation tools. Something as complicated as the inferno becomes a whole different type of puzzle thay way. Sure, it ruins the achievement of the cape and its terrible to do in a game thats based on multiplayer interactions. But the tech itself is fascinating to see in action.
Dont bot tho. If you really have an itch to make something fun like a machine vision based bot script (the coolest approach imo) , do it with some locally hosted or otherwise private server instance of the game.
I have been thinking on doing this for a while but I can't just get my head around how to set up a private server with all the recent updates, do you have a pointer to somewhere I can find this?
Crazy how advanced bots are now
Machine learning and deep learning its such a beautiful series of math problems. He gives his computer the ability to think for itself and play more real than a human
Most of it is not machine or deep learning.
This has absolutely nothing to do with deep learning lmao. No neural networks in sight.
Sirpugger. There’s a bunch of 31 chars in canifis today doing rooftop agility. Half of them have squirrel pets and all sitting at 81 agility. I reported them all but I doubt Jagex will do anything about it. Envious of how many squirrels I saw. Pissed me off.
They’re always there in canifis on rooftops. Always.
love or hate bots, that script is pretty impressive and cool to watch.
This guy just confirms even stronger why I don't even get impressed from seeing an infernal cape anymore. Especially a lower level, you just know they didn't actually get it themselves by in large.
Nice pfp
lol the guy with 10 fps locked client, poor guy lmao
I've been doing the 1st wave colosseum method on my max main and I've been consistently getting 6m/hour
FYI there is 2 R's in varlamore.
this is truly amazing, i think what mod mat k once said might actually happen. 'just make botting no longer against the rules'
Thank god! I was looking for a way to apply my Statistics B.S. degree 😮💨
Honestly it would be interesting to use the bot like a TAS to identify optimal strats for inferno and colosseum. Double edged sword though.
Fun fact: I'm able to do wave 1 in 20 seconds, but upmost 30. That averages a 7-8M per hour realistically, even with such a braindead method.
I've been milking this moneymaker for days by hand, kind of as a FOMO, I was afraid all along that bots will come out soon and ruin it as everything. Here we go.
We literally get to play the goddamn game for 1 day after a new update until all hell breaks loose...
Sell your splinters before they crash
You called it "Valamore" 😂
As i was watching this, I found a bug in the G.E almost like a doubling bug. 0_0
Ok, that's so cool though, like I get that it's bad for the game but as someone who does coding this guys bot is crazy interesting.
It's 2024, AI is everywhere, an old game like OSRS is easily programable
Nice one pugger
I wonder how many bots are in the Perilous Moons as well
cool, so will he start using the program to get world record speeds?
There are bots in every world wearing obsidian , dfs and whip next to the ancient wyverns on fossil wyverns killing the lower tier wyverns
I hate botting in runescape, but from a developer PoV I can't lie this was pretty cool to watch
this is some high level stuff
No Account Name "Omar" isnt Bot btw even tho it spends multiple days at colosseum its just oda block having a Glitch afufu
What glitch
It's crazy how fast these bot makers work on creating bots to run new content in less than a week.
well when much of the playerbase bots, rwts, and is just generally bad at pvming this is the outcome
If your decent at coding then it's not to hard especially if you already have the code
@@jimschuurman470why haven’t you done it then
@@jimschuurman470 "especially if you already have the code" ???
The script writer said in the video he repurposed his infernal cape bot code to be able to run colosseum. I think that's what he means by already having the code.@@levonschaftin3676
Figures why it went from 30 completions day one to 5000 completions yesterday
woox figured out the outer safe spots day one
Hes a genius
5:00 is hella interesting!
a shame that this sort of thing affects the game negatively as I could see even Jagex being interested in talking a look at the source code