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  • @GrowlingSidewinder
    @GrowlingSidewinder  Рік тому +32

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    • @thecobra45
      @thecobra45 Рік тому +1

      Could we get one of these two dogfights?
      F16 v F86
      F-104 v mig 25 (or 31)

    • @rohangangan8327
      @rohangangan8327 Рік тому +1

      GS please make an Indian Mig 29 video!!!!

    • @numberyellow
      @numberyellow Рік тому +1

      Firstly: does this work for steam users?
      Secondly: NGAD vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns and missles plzkthx
      SU-57 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns only plzkthx

    • @hkguitar1984
      @hkguitar1984 Рік тому +1

      Who piloted the Viper today?
      Great flying by both.
      Great Content, Thanks You GS

    • @Cerdrick
      @Cerdrick Рік тому

      I really enjoy your explanations and demonstrations. Though I was wondering if you could throw on the ctrl-enter hotas overlay so I can get a better idea of how you are managing the turns.

  • @nobody6454
    @nobody6454 Рік тому +545

    I don’t know why, but somehow that predicted wing break was way more satisfying than a gun kill 😂

  • @ralfhtg1056
    @ralfhtg1056 Рік тому +412

    This is really a masterclass example of teaching a lesson. Not only to your oponent, but to your audience as well. Great job!

  • @Franseven
    @Franseven Рік тому +224

    first time i actually see the explanation of circles and tactices this well, well done

    • @firebald2915
      @firebald2915 Рік тому +9

      F-16 = Fulcrum Fodder. GS does this so casually, I bet he rests his arm on the canopy sill, like a convertible lowrider going slow on the boulevard.

    • @RazorsharpLT
      @RazorsharpLT 5 місяців тому

      Nope
      Not with the shit radar that the MIG-29 has. It's getting blown out of the sky by an AMRAAM @@firebald2915

  • @numberyellow
    @numberyellow Рік тому +88

    I love how he's so good, he can literally scare his opponent into destroying their own plane.

  • @Jojotheowl1
    @Jojotheowl1 Рік тому +124

    GS is INSANE! Your piloting skills are crazy I have so much respect. You know how to exploit every weakness and strength in your aircraft and the enemy’s.

  • @brandonproctor3639
    @brandonproctor3639 Рік тому +115

    As an F-16 pilot, this is a great way of looking at it. Very informative, thanks GS

  • @iskenuz
    @iskenuz Рік тому +60

    I love to see that tac-view at the end of the video to really bring into emphasis exactly what we're looking at. Seeing the F-16 lose the rate fight is great too; it's a great reminder not to get complacent and assume technical specs will win the fight for you.

    • @blackomegax
      @blackomegax Рік тому +5

      All the John Boyd "pure dog fighting plane" doesn't matter when the opponent is good.

  • @tgsgardenmaintenance4627
    @tgsgardenmaintenance4627 Рік тому +14

    Saw the first TV MiG 29 many years ago at Farnborough, it's manouverability was insane!

  • @beckenbaylin3167
    @beckenbaylin3167 Рік тому +57

    Mig-29 aged extremely well compared to other soviet models, it can still go toe to toe with its NATO counterparts and remains a viable alternative for most post-soviet arsenals. It was really amazing seeing it during airshows in Germany as it flew next to western aircraft. Sad to see that there will be no further modernization of this fighter and NATO countries sending them off to Ukraine, at least they will finish their life in a blaze of glory in the skies and not scrapped in some dusty hangar.

    • @tando6266
      @tando6266 Рік тому +8

      @@jetfighter200 There is always a fireball, glory is assigned by the morals of the society to whom the fireball belongs

    • @vczs
      @vczs Рік тому +4

      Aged extremely well? With such short legs and airframe life compared to western contemporary aircrafts?
      You can upgrade avionics on an aircraft but it takes much more than that to be a potent one.

    • @user-kf9ui1in6r
      @user-kf9ui1in6r Рік тому +19

      The Flanker family aged more gracefully, the Tu-95 and Tu-22M also aged very well

    • @devilsoffspring5519
      @devilsoffspring5519 Рік тому +1

      In all fairness, the MiG-29 doesn't go too far on a tank of gas compared to its Western counterparts and its engines are real maintenance hogs. Still a cool aircraft though.

    • @richardhartley7266
      @richardhartley7266 Рік тому

      Will be good to see them flight beside f16s... cannot wait

  • @nathaniellazo5912
    @nathaniellazo5912 Рік тому +54

    This will be fun. I absolutely love a video on the MiG-29!! Good luck!!
    Hey GS, since you are doing more of these tutorials, maybe you and some of your buddies show group tactics since some people might not know basic group strategies. Both with and without mixed aircraft squadrons and loadouts.

  • @Gusramosferreira
    @Gusramosferreira Рік тому +7

    In this offset 2 circle, that ups and downs I learned as high yo-yo manouver in the times of MCFS. You could do it going down and up again, low yo-yo, but not on the ground, of course. Nice one

  • @mihailkondov4773
    @mihailkondov4773 Рік тому +25

    Watching this makes me think flight instructors are going to use your videos to teach fighter pilots, so well explained! I never quite understoot the difference between one and two circles until now

    • @blackomegax
      @blackomegax Рік тому +7

      It's a sure bet that actual real fighter pilots and instructors are learning new things from this channel. I've even heard russian air force is using DCS as extra sim pits

    • @arnavsadhu
      @arnavsadhu Рік тому +7

      @@blackomegax I mean DCS was developed by russians, soo

    • @bluecaptainIT
      @bluecaptainIT Рік тому

      @@arnavsadhu it was??? Isn't Eagle Dynamics American?

  • @tippership
    @tippership Рік тому +12

    So, the secret here is going up and down, tightens your turn,but doesn't totally bleed your speed to a near stall even on the deck- that using a little bit of vertical and it's effect on your turn tightness and position- is something that's not been covered in depth before- that's interesting to see
    Also that maneuver wing kill was CRAZY- GS with the maneuver kills, but those high g kills are ...weird lol

  • @caseinnitratjr6861
    @caseinnitratjr6861 Рік тому +3

    6:03 love this aerodynamically assisted ballistic Dogfight’s.

  • @PaulGAckerman
    @PaulGAckerman Рік тому +5

    Setting up the shot in Round 3: "Do you have a moment to talk about your plane's extended warranty?"

  • @ClawsNGloves
    @ClawsNGloves Рік тому +6

    It's such a pleasure to watch these vid's with your commentary. Really easy to follow and take pointers.

  • @chronoreverse
    @chronoreverse Рік тому +19

    This was a really great video, instructive and illustrative of things I have had a vague concept of before but now is clear.

  • @johnclaudetaylor5224
    @johnclaudetaylor5224 Рік тому +6

    Truly a master when you can talk through your steps as it’s happening in front of you. Reminds me of my Muay Thai coach a lot. Able to see things before they seem evident

  • @terrencecox3748
    @terrencecox3748 Рік тому +5

    I was wondering when I was going to see you talk about this. This was something Phantom drivers would do when fighting against Mig-17's during Vietnam.

  • @consov
    @consov Рік тому +1

    Was literally wondering if mirroring the offset circle would counter it and keep it overlapping two circle, and then you promptly predicted and answered my question. Love the TacView. It really puts everything into perspective. Thanks man, keep it up!

  • @broneauell
    @broneauell Рік тому +9

    Hey, I just paused the video to come here and say; respect. Your editing, the illustrations, narration etc. It is really amazing how you grew and dude you're nailing it. I love your content. Okay, back to the dogfight.
    Edit: AND your skills. I keep being amazed by how easy you make this look :')

  • @vectorkamarov8062
    @vectorkamarov8062 Рік тому

    This is the best class on tactics to counter vipers and possible counters from viper in dogfight, what makes it even better is that you are flying the awesome Mig-29 again! Thanks for the teaching and I really hope we can see more of those very straight forward and educational videos!

  • @dededu21fr
    @dededu21fr Рік тому +2

    Great video ! I like learning moves and tactics and just not beeing stuck into 1 circle, 2 circles, rate fight... I want more way to survive and/or win ^^
    Again, simple but well explained, keep up the good work !

  • @SHINR__
    @SHINR__ Рік тому

    By far one of the most interesting fights in a technical sense I've seen on here this is super cool seeing the offset work so fast.

  • @madaxe606
    @madaxe606 Рік тому

    Nice to see Tacview return! I always thought it was super helpful to visualize what was happening in a 3D. Much appreciated. :) Great video and super, super helpful for handling the 2C against a better rate fighter. Thank you!

  • @javiparis04
    @javiparis04 Рік тому +7

    I'm getting into DCS because of you, keep It up man, you're the best DCS youtuber by far

  • @enochlearns6132
    @enochlearns6132 Рік тому

    Didn't get a chance to finish the show last night, but I'm glad I came back for the TacView debrief. I really appreciate the training. Awesome vid as always. Thanks to GS once again. Keep the content coming.

  • @murph3194
    @murph3194 Рік тому +1

    Ok. My dude.. the end to that 3rd round was hilarious. lol The fact that you had plenty of lead in your hud but never took the shot in anticipation of that wing disintegrating was great. Well played.

  • @aGentleUser
    @aGentleUser Рік тому +5

    I remember long time ago when i played Strike Commander, i started also the up and down 2 circle thing + shooting when crossing. Was much more effective then trying to outturn oponent. Sure quite a primitve flight sim compared to this, and me completely unaware what doing, nevertheless happy I recognized the schema :D
    Love to see you flying soviet planes!

  • @danielebrozzolo1752
    @danielebrozzolo1752 Рік тому +4

    Tacview is back and together with the offset 2 circle? What a nice treat of a video.
    Loved last time you did a video on it and I was wondering why you haven't been using that tactic anymore. Again amazing content GS.

  • @salsadevil
    @salsadevil Рік тому

    It's called misaligned turn circles ie matc(time in video -18.27). As you were defensive(los aft bandit behind 3/9 line) in the 2c fight with the viper your were trying to increase the aspect back to 180 degrees(ie high aspect) you can increase the aspect in various ways-lo and hi yoyo's being one option, you could also time an extension ie the reverse of a tcx(turn circle extension) or you could take the fight vertical using radial G and timing to force the fight back to 180 degrees as mentioned earlier. If flying with a savvy bandit however, he can utilise tcx's with lead turns or go for an energy excursion to take the shot preserving over the top airspeed and the subsequent overshoot-ie rolling scissor.

  • @bmodotcom1
    @bmodotcom1 Рік тому

    Really liked the debrief at the end, thanks so much.

  • @tejasviroyal8977
    @tejasviroyal8977 Рік тому

    Best UA-cam Tutorial I ever saw!
    GS explains every concept very well.
    Very satisfying, with a new school simulation + old school chalk-blackboard lesson.
    👏
    "Hey, Teacher, leave those Planes alone!"🎶

  • @poop-for-brains
    @poop-for-brains Рік тому

    I recommend another explainer on countering the offset counter. Like you were saying, an offset circle can surprise someone unfamiliar but when you're relying on that tactic and someone counters it, it's probably equally as surprising for an intermediate sim pilot like myself.
    Nice explainer on the concept, I'm familiar but still stuck around for the dogfights. That wing snap was stunning.

  • @Championre
    @Championre Рік тому

    Very informative and helpful video. Thank you for taking the time to explain this in such an understandable way.

  • @cheungleo114
    @cheungleo114 Рік тому +1

    never know that there is such a way to make two circle do into one circle, ty for sharing this skill to everyone 😊

  • @reptilianbrother5618
    @reptilianbrother5618 Рік тому

    Wow this video was awesome, even more than usual. It's nice that you gave an insight on the offset two-circle. Also, I love how you made him rip off his own wing.

  • @F3EDER
    @F3EDER Рік тому +1

    The segment where the rear wing was damaged and you forced him to increase throttle and destroy himself through G-forces. Stunning work! Incredibly entertaining and amazing attention to detail in this game.

  • @enochlearns6132
    @enochlearns6132 Рік тому

    This is Excellent. I always wondered what could be done if you ended up on the deck in a rate fight w/a f16. Offset 2 circle. Nice. I'm ashamed to admit I can't finish the whole vid now, but I'll be back. Just wanted to comment for the algorithm. Thanks for the analysis. I never thought I would find geometry fascinating. I can't wait to try this out. Just saving for hardware and I'ma be on the list. Thanks again for your fine instructions and demonstration GS. You're a beast.

  • @ADDitiva
    @ADDitiva Рік тому +1

    Well explained. Thanks for debriefing.

  • @JohnDoe-fo7yi
    @JohnDoe-fo7yi Рік тому

    Awesome. This video basically answers my earlier comment about what to do once your in a losing rate fight on the deck. Cheers!

  • @pikuma
    @pikuma Рік тому

    This was a great video! I am impressed by how well this technique worked.

  • @auqanova
    @auqanova Рік тому

    remember, just because we see you doing things, doesnt mean we learn the things. thats why i really like this kind of video, where you talk about what youre doing to make the situation better.
    personally as a pilot who often flubs my advantage, its great to get videos on how to fight into disadvantaged scenarios. one of my biggest issues is finding out what to do when plan a doesnt work out.
    i personally think in gunfights; one circle fighters are generally very unforgiving, being that your win condition revolves around hitting a high aspect shot, and the fight gets worse and worse every second it drags on. do you agree with this idea? or is it much more even to you, who actually is good at dogfighting.

  • @arizonaav8or399
    @arizonaav8or399 Рік тому

    This was one of the best videos I’ve seen you do, GS, and I think I’ve seen them all. Great work! Keep it up! Your videos are always a highlight of my day, but this one was special! ❤

  • @pallenmilburn3372
    @pallenmilburn3372 Рік тому

    Outstanding job GS. Discuss, Demonstrate and Review. Well done!

  • @MrBrentles
    @MrBrentles Рік тому

    There's something relaxing about a Canadians voice when they're shooting a bandit. Great video.

  • @lwrncschmchr
    @lwrncschmchr Рік тому +2

    Like watching a surgeon at work. Well done, GS!

  • @ItsShainess
    @ItsShainess Рік тому

    This is the most educational video on this channel so far. Great content!

  • @KypopTHuK_
    @KypopTHuK_ Рік тому

    Hello GS! Love your videos with tacview debriefs, they are my favourite ones. Thank you for your work!

  • @justinnewcomb2279
    @justinnewcomb2279 Рік тому +1

    GS is like a Legendary racecar driver explaining how a race will go by knowing the performance of a car down to the tire pressure.

  • @funkytownjedi
    @funkytownjedi Рік тому

    Thanks for the circle breakdown🎉

  • @ferdeboergd256
    @ferdeboergd256 Рік тому +2

    Me: Oh, a teaching video, I'm too tired to pay attention to this, will save it to watch it at another time...
    *twenty one minutes later*
    Me: wow! I've learned a lot!

  • @shotameipariani4985
    @shotameipariani4985 Рік тому +2

    Early this time, pretty sure it's going to be great as always. Would absolutely love to see F-35 against SU-57, either dogfight or intercept. I know there are vids on that already but if it ain't GS it aint it, man

  • @Flanker207
    @Flanker207 Рік тому +2

    Yes, the offset two circle. That's how I get splashed in dogfight every time. I'm aware what it does, how to create, but not how to avoid or fix it. I can do nothing against when I try to rate, or make my reverse too soon when I go for one circle.
    It's all about reading the cues, still that's the most difficult thing in dogfight, or maybe almost every sorts of fight in general lol.
    I may gonna stick to the tacview for a while, this vid is the one I was waiting for quite a time. Thanks man.

  • @elementaleighteight
    @elementaleighteight Рік тому

    @2:52 throwing ropes!! Nice stick twitch to the 9 0clock

  • @jesuschrist-alphaomega
    @jesuschrist-alphaomega Рік тому

    I've been watching these on my 130 inch projection screen. With my sound system rounding out the experience. These are so much fun to watch.

  • @directlocalmarketing
    @directlocalmarketing Рік тому

    You have really inspired me to get into DCS, love your vids!

  • @smorgasborgas
    @smorgasborgas Рік тому

    Love the content man keep it up, you explain the concepts of BFM so well! Would love to see some more stuff for the Mig21 if you ever get around to it!

  • @stephenschroeder6567
    @stephenschroeder6567 Рік тому

    Sung to the tune of Snoopy vs The Red Baron
    "Ten, Twenty, Thirty, Fourty, Fifty or More"
    "That Growlin' Sidewinder was rollin up the score"
    "Eighty men died tryin' to smoke his ass"
    "That Growlin' Sidewinder of D C aS"
    Thank you GS for all the wonderful videos and lessons!

  • @thedonqwet
    @thedonqwet Рік тому

    Glad ya did the tac view. Miss those

  • @firstchevalier
    @firstchevalier Рік тому +1

    Fantastic video. Love this stuff. We see you flame folks all the time but don't see the "okay, now we switch aircraft" and break it down. You used to swap back and forth in rounds and take turns. That was good too. I'm not saying do that all the time, just from time to time so we can see the counter tactics. Love it. Thanks.

  • @ambasing638
    @ambasing638 Рік тому +2

    Another Gripen vs SU-57 would be amazing! Keep it up!

  • @curtisjordan5303
    @curtisjordan5303 Рік тому

    Great can't wait to see you do high G yoyoes and more offset 2 circles in the F-4

  • @natf5869
    @natf5869 Рік тому +1

    Awesome video.
    You make it look so easy.

  • @Bozothcow
    @Bozothcow Рік тому

    I like this a lot, it's hard to understand why some tactics work and this was a good explanation.

  • @nova_3010
    @nova_3010 Рік тому +3

    The rate you pump these videos out is crazy GS, But I have also been wondering if you could do a group of F22's against a much larger group of other planes?

  • @AbcdEfgh-sq2tf
    @AbcdEfgh-sq2tf Рік тому +1

    2:00 the High Yo-yos reminded me of the dogfighting used the Phantom pilots against the MiGs over Vietnam. I didn't expect the MiGs to be superior in the 2 circle over the Phantom...

  • @AttilaGOD
    @AttilaGOD Рік тому +29

    I would LOVE to see some more harrier gameplay, whether it be dogfighting or just doing ground strikes.

  • @briand3200
    @briand3200 Рік тому

    I’ve never played DCS but I enjoy watching you fly.

  • @n.s.3410
    @n.s.3410 7 місяців тому

    super informative lesson
    more please :)

  • @DeadSkyWT
    @DeadSkyWT Рік тому +1

    Poison Lips, with the Metal Grips, the Viper will pull you in and bleed you dry.
    Perfect motto for the F16.

  • @kainhighwind263
    @kainhighwind263 Рік тому

    Loved that explanation in the tacview!

  • @KarlGustov76
    @KarlGustov76 Рік тому +2

    Fun to watch, when Sidewinder flies the Viper, he talks about how amazing it is at the 2 circle and he dominates with it. Whenever he fights against the Viper "Sidewinder" usually defeats in a few moments. It really doesn't matter what he uses he very rarely loses.. Switch the pilot and the Mig will lose every fight.

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  Рік тому +9

      well I have a few videos where the viper Absolutely dominates me, but in reality its all about fighting your own fight and forcing the other guy to do what you want if you do that, you can beat anything with anything, which is kind of the point I try to drive home in these videos.

    • @KarlGustov76
      @KarlGustov76 Рік тому +2

      @@GrowlingSidewinder that's why I watch, it fun and enjoyable watching you. Ill have to find the ones of you getting beat, that always makes me smile just a little... Keep up the good work! No do some F4 vs everything!

    • @korsair2009
      @korsair2009 Рік тому +2

      @@GrowlingSidewinder where did you learn all that BFM mechanics from?

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  Рік тому +7

      some on my own, others from books, and a lot from real pilots nice enough to show me and teach me.

  • @GM-fh5jp
    @GM-fh5jp Рік тому

    Loved that ground impact fireball @ 3:58...DCS graphics FTW!

  • @andrewwillard5625
    @andrewwillard5625 Рік тому +1

    I know dcs is nothing like war Thunder but literally watching your videos has made me such a better player just by reading what the enemy is doing to everything else love your vids man.

  • @cloudforest4087
    @cloudforest4087 Рік тому

    This was very acrobatic. The way these 2 aircrafts use different flying techniques to down each other is stellar.

  • @mrblablablabla
    @mrblablablabla Рік тому

    Fantastic! A video on how the Viper can deal with this would be grand

  • @spacemoai
    @spacemoai Рік тому

    The offset 2-circle looked like having an unexpected merge in the middle of the fight.
    Also, a Tacview! Fans getting some treat today

  • @seangall7637
    @seangall7637 Рік тому +2

    DAMN GS... That was a fuckin' clinic... Outstanding sir! Cheers!

  • @josephiousbrosif
    @josephiousbrosif Рік тому

    Dude...your channel is just so great! This was a masterclass

  • @hatoffnickel
    @hatoffnickel Рік тому

    Great video! Love to see the old Tacview back!!

  • @05councilmember
    @05councilmember Рік тому +3

    It would be cool to see you do a 1v1 fight like this against AA guns, no missiles just cannons

  • @Viljoen
    @Viljoen Рік тому

    Artistry in motion. Love your work

  • @abbaerfani9007
    @abbaerfani9007 Рік тому

    Very clever move. Great fight by you GS again

  • @KalvyNoodle
    @KalvyNoodle Рік тому +1

    "I love when you have a plan and it just works." TRUER WORDS.

  • @ssd3337
    @ssd3337 11 місяців тому

    Excellent skills! Got the idea, i hope it works in WT sim as well.

  • @jacobotstot2021
    @jacobotstot2021 Рік тому

    This was one of the best 1v1s I have seen.

  • @xxZerosumxx
    @xxZerosumxx Рік тому +2

    This Is why you have over 450k+ subs bro. Great tactics explanation. keep up the great work.

  • @jasonmcdonough5875
    @jasonmcdonough5875 Рік тому

    Yes! love the debriefs!

  • @rustysglass
    @rustysglass Рік тому

    I love it when a plan comes together!!!!

  • @tmting4942
    @tmting4942 Рік тому

    WAWOO..imagine you mix this offset technique with a precise differential thrust 🤯🦅

  • @Chef_PC
    @Chef_PC Рік тому

    No wonder actual fighter pilots love watching GS. This is easy training.

  • @gappleton8255
    @gappleton8255 Рік тому

    I think this is your best video yet. Thanks!

  • @lilcoolcat
    @lilcoolcat Рік тому

    Love the tack view at the end wouldn’t mind having 1 tack view from every fight would be nice

  • @MikePasqqsaPekiM
    @MikePasqqsaPekiM Рік тому

    It sometimes seems like a maneuver kill is better than any weapons kill. I guess this wasn't a perfect example, but still fantastic to see. When the wing went, I had to smile. Nice.

  • @nafis6668
    @nafis6668 Рік тому

    we miss your tacview. thanks for showing it again. very nice for more educational theme.

  • @CNCTEMATIC
    @CNCTEMATIC Рік тому

    love it! that was so cool when you made him break his plane

  • @nikospitr
    @nikospitr Рік тому +5

    i knew gs is an amazing dog-fighter, but i could never imagine he can shoot down an enemy without even firing.. Insane :)

    • @florianN132
      @florianN132 Рік тому +1

      Well - in fact he did shoot that enemy, just some moments before it ended... And that maneuver-kill wouldnt have been possible without that ;)

  • @o-manthehuman7867
    @o-manthehuman7867 Рік тому +12

    I think the biggest lesson I'm taking from this series is that gs is really bloody good at dogfighting