What Makes The Mercedes M113K So Good?
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2022
- Mercedes is capable of engineering extraordinary powertrains and there are lots of existing examples already out there. A V8 is their speciality, the most typical layout for an automobile with a three-pointed star. It started with the original M100 6.3, a portion of the popularity ascribes to the M156 6.2-litre, too, but it is the M113K that stuck in the memory and heart of most people. It’s big, beefy, torquey and not many competitors can rival the deep baritone of a supercharged AMG V8.
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M112/M113 engines are brilliant. They're one of the most reliable petrol engines ever built and Mercedes first production V6 petrol.
M111 is also legendary. It may just be a 4 cylinder, but still :)
@@MsEdoxX Which Mercedes model did you own with an M111, and which version of the M111? I've owned 6 different versions of Mercedes engines: M119, M120, M112, M113, M272 & M273.
With no cam phasing
@@MsEdoxX i agree m111 is amazing
When I was broke, and had nothing, i found a E320 with the 3.2 for 600 dollars. I changed the conductor plate and swapped the trans fluid and it was so reliable, i even went to Mexico in it. Now my whole life changed and I am the proud owner of a CLS55AMG. with a lot of mods and eurocharged ecu and tcu tune. Taking it to a tracknight on the 14th! I am trying to get my Wavetrac installed before then!
Good for you, I recently got a m113 on eBay and put it in lucky it started right up, I saved like ten k doing it my self with no help one jack and one hoist, 300 for motor and 400 shipping thanks eBay
What year is your e320 There's no way you paid 600 unless it was a older e class man but still congrats my guy
I have an s55 AMG and this engine is exhilarating. I sometimes floor it going uphill just to watch it glide.
M113K is certainly the most powerful , but M113 5.4 AMG is the best overall combination that gives good power , legendary reliability and good economy for a car that does 0-60mph in just over 5 seconds.
Even after 15 plus years , normal maintenance is all you need ..oil changes , spark plugs every 100,000 km , vc gaskets after 12 years or so , and a new crank position sensor every 13 years. No major mechanical issues at all.
Good video ,,great information.
I had the M119 and the M113K, i love them both! The M113 (K) is modern, better fuel economy, more powerfull and cheaper in maintanence. For daily use, the M113 (K) is the engine to go for. For racing and fun, i prefer the M119.
I have an S55 AMG with this engine. I have to say that I've never loved an engine more than the M113K. Very beefy engine that's so composed at low speeds. Just wish it had a better transmission
Get a mkultra transmission tune. It'll shift a lot quicker
is it a 5 speed trans?
@@user-jw4dh9wv6w yes, 5 speed meaning it's slow but reliable and I've heard it can withstand 1000-1200nM without any upgrades.
Edit: it can withstand 1,079nM!
Exactly. I had a m112k for 4 years. Loved it.
I love my CLS55. M113K is goated
I've had probably 75% of AMG engines now, and the M113k is my favourite - as an all round performance / sound / reliability ...
Which cars, and Can i reach out to you for advice on problems. Specifically ABS ESP BAS. Replaced ESP system and no luck.
@@lokilowkey3049tone ring in the rear axle is shot. Pull the axle and check your reluctor ring, likely the culprit when nothing else is fixing it.
I went apesh*t replacing brake and wheelspeed sensors only to have them still throw codes. Replaced the reluctor rings in the rear and voila, everything works again.
It’s a stupid expensive and small part too, but can be done on a budget if you know how to work on a car.
The OM617 was the best they ever made. Never failed, didn't rust. (I had two of them, extremely good). After that it went downwards very fast. No mercedes for me anymore
I have the OM642 in my C Class. Aux belt snapped but nothing else wrong. 151k miles now. Oh and a new battery.
om601, om602 and om603 have lot´s of respect.
@@TheSlowDude and m116 m117 and holy m119 do have respect too
@@drmikegaspwred1483 m119 and it's story is mind-blowing, mercedes at it's Best for me
I'm pretty sure my OM611 would survive a nuclear blast
My favorite V8 ever created
I have a 2006 E55 AMG. 83 mm s/c pulley with 168 mm crank pulley, mid length headers catless, larger inter cooler and pump, tuned ecu and tcu. It gives me a smile on my face every time.
Great video! I own a W210 E430 with an M113 and a W211 E55 M113K and I love them both. The AMG has a smaller supercharger pulley and tune with long tube headers, split cooler and secondary intercooler and I don’t plan on getting rid of either one of them any time soon!
Litterally in the process of rebuilding my 310,000kms M113 5.4L out of my ML55 and this video comes up haha. I absolutely love these engines. Boring the intake on the heads and exhaust ports in the process. Can’t wait to hear it roar back to life after the completely new variable exhaust systems is finished.
Love to see the m104, last and in my opinion best straight 6 they have made!
shares engine family with: m103, om603, om606... the 3.6 oettinger had a om603 3.5l crank ;-)
Agreed! Excellent engines and completely bulletproof aside from oil leaks haha
YESSSSS PLEASE🙏🙏🙏🙏💖💖💖💖
I have the M113 5.0 in a 2006 CLS 500. It is a great engine & 95% of the time 306 bhp is enough, but there are times when a bit more would be nice ...maybe an AMG CLS 55 with the 5.4 M113K next 😉
The cls550 is so much more fun you’d be amazed how much different 86hp feels in that car
@@trentdawg2832 yes but overall M113 is more reliable than M273 which is the point of this video
@@trentdawg2832 I did look at the 5.5 M273 but decided to forego the extra 80 bhp or so (and even slightly better fuel consumption believe it or not) for reliability.
@@phil955i the m273 is as reliable as the m113. It only has a couple of sensors that may fail by ageing (replaced mines for a pretty cheap price) but apart from that it holds so well. And there is a big difference in the power and even the consumption. Both great engines (10/10 for the m273 and 11/10 for the m113)
@@dimitaryotov946 the M273 had timing chain problems for the first couple of years. But they were sorted after that.
hey visioracer, I really appreciate the content you make. you are truly doing a fine job with making videos that i look forward to watching.
Thank you, this is really rewarding to me!
Sorry, Michael - but it's not a person. Tbh, your own comment also looks like it was belched up by a 'bot.
@@AsinineComment chill. Just appreciating content here.
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an amazing video man good work as always
Excellent video I own a clk 430 with the 4.3 m113 and I think this engine has really gone under the radar. Mine has 272,000 miles and still runs like new. I was amazed by this engine because Mercedes usually get written off as being “unreliable” or hard to work on. The the m113 is quite the opposite. 👍
I have one too, it's crazy reliable beat on it daily 🤣🤣
@@RubenLopez-ej2fg lol same for the past year and no issues
1999 E430 here. Choice was made for me but I feel like I got lucky with the M113. Mine runs fine. Car has 173k miles so many more to come.
01 e430 I got for $600. Has 272k miles still running perfect no leaks !
@@twelvedigitmedia3224 what about now?
Another great vid! Thanks man 🤘🏻
M113 and M113K are legendary monsters.
This engine was perfect for the S55 and E55 amg cars, in those, the engine was the main highlight
I have the M119 in my 500sl
Great engine designed by engineers before the accountants took charge in the mid 90s
M119 is a rlly brilliant engine from Merc, and often underrated in my opinion
Iam still having a lot of fun with the M111, due to the gas prices I didn't get the 4.3 v8
I know I can get the 100hp with some head tuning and a huge ass compressor pulley 😍
But it runs so great I love it.
Great video and highly informative.
I have an SLK 55AMG with the 5.4 n/a engine.
It’s a wonderful mix of docility, economy and then brute power when conditions allow, with little or no fade as it approached the red line.
The 7 speed auto box helps utilise about more of the engines potential due to the extra 2 ratios. Such a shame that they never offered a manual option. 😢
Hey man I’m highly considering buying an SLK55. Any advice? What’s your experience like so far? Also, what’s your average mpg around town
@@laithellabban
Love my SLK 55 which is a 2005 R171 model which I have owned for 4 years.
Look out for rust around the wheel arches
The rear subframe and fuel pipes are also prone to rust. It is not unknown for the subframe to need to be replaced. Also oil leaks on the rocker covers of the engine are not uncommon but easily rectified. Brake pads and discs on the early cars with 6 pot front callipers are extremely expensive to replace. Around £2k for the fronts only. The air conditioning condenser is under the front bumper and tricky to get out if it needs to be replaced due to corrosion or damage. Always check that the air con is working.
The MPG for me averages 19-20 in town but on a motorway cruise can hit 30 MPG. It can be a surprisingly economical touring car if driven with restraint. Check that the electric roof works as expensive to fix if broken.
Good luck with your intended purchase.
"Consumables ,such as camshafts"
I guess the late model Mercedes that broke down behind me on the motorway last week had not had it's camshaft change period kept up to date.
Camshafts are a consumable? What's next, consumable pistons? Lets just do an engine swap every 50k lol
He was talking about the AMG designed M156 engine(the one in all 6.2l 63AMG models). Those are known for issues
Amazing video thank you
Great Video!!
I've had two M113 4.3 and even for the baby V8 it pulls great and often surprises people, I currently have a S430L that's a 1990kg car and that engine gets it up to 60mph in no time at all. I love this engine and always will for it's reliability 👍well done Mercedes and an awesome video dude 😃
Same I have a S430 and I’d say the power is more than adequate. I’ve had an r129 SL with the M113 and an E320 with a M112. I know it seemed like a downgrade from the MB engines of the 90s but this family of engines has proved super reliable
@@omostim2385 I had a 1997 R129, the last year of the M119. The only problem a late-model M119 has are that the cam-chain guides develop cracks and break. But '97 is the only year M119 I'd want, as it had newer technology "sprinkled on it" by then.
@@Matt_from_Florida M119 is an engine I've always wanted to work with, but not having much of a project budget I've never had the opportunity, but like the M111 Mercedes over built that engine making it's a engine with both great reliability and a lot of potential.
@@M-oneeleven-M111 I agree with you about the M111 being durable, but the more I learn about the M119 the more scared of it I am. I watched a vid where the plastic timing chain guides had crumbled into tiny little shards and collected inside the oil pickup tube!
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awesome crossplane V8 sounds
Crossplane V8 ... best sound in the automotive world imo 👍
Greatest engine of the modern era, the Kompressor feel is unmatched
I drove a C63 imported from Germany, to the states, and thought is was fantastic. Too bad it wasn't offered with a manual. Same guy had a CTS-V, which was a rauchous tire smoker, and a hoot to drive as well, but the Benz was just much more composed and relaxed in it's capabilities.
That’s funny you say that cause I own both those cars and the cls is way more refined and hugs the road like nothing else……I feel safe in my Mercedes, but my CTS-v scares me sometimes, it’s nowhere near as predictable as the cls…..and mine is just an American market cls550
the C63 does not have the M113 engine in this video, though. FYI
But the caddy probably had MT, which always trumps an auto as a driver. LS based which isn't comparable to any Mercedes engine ever built.. Mercedes is my favorite car brand, but my point remains.
@@replynotificationsdisabled I've driven both flavors of CTS-V, it's a fancy Holden floorpan either way, no comparison to a C Class Mercedes, period. No doubt it handles better than any production Caddy that preceded it, but still no Benz.
thanks for posting, i have had zero mechanical issues with mine, I now have 125K miles and only failure was supercharger pulley bearing easily replaced..
Great work as usual. You should do the ford fe some day.
Wonderfully written
Good work
Nice Video from you could you make a Video about the m104/111 or the v12 biturbo m275.Enjoy your Videos everytime
I started my Sl500 to charge the batteries and didn't know the radiator fan wasn't working and it over heated and blew the radiator hose off. Thank God it didn't crack or blow a head gasket. I replaced the fan and it runs great.
Always like getting into the need section of engines! I currently run a m112k, totally stock and it's so smooth and quick....but quiet! Needs freeing up which is on my list. Or perhaps I just get something with this in. Crazy noises!
If your 55 car has a bad intercooler pump - 100$ part, if it's leaking some oil - valve covers are as easy as intercooler pump. Heat soaking is not a problem if you are on a stock pulley. Basically - your only problem is gasoline prices. Charged sparkplugs at 51kmiles - wasted money - they were good.
Great vid 👌🏾 i wish they developed a better transmission & drivetrain platform for it
well the gearboxes with different tcu or a chipped stock one are one of the best ones in the world shifting fast and holding insane torque
I bought w211 e55 amg 2006. What is better for cooling? Heat exchanger (2L of coolant capacity) and (1 liter capacity) secondary heat exchanger together or only 1 big heat exchanger 3.1L coolant capacity
I have 2 2003 Cl55 and 2004 s55 I love this engine and I have a project on my mind to put that 113K in to my 560sec including transmission and ABC suspension 😉
I would keep the 560sec stock, cars like that are getting scarce now.
@@OM617a If its one without engine going to the junk yard it would be ok.
@@martinsv9183 That is true. I have a few old Mercedes and engine swapped one of them, have four times the power, but regret it in a way. Will keep the others standard, even if they are a bit low on power.
tks for the content ! plz look forward to make a Honda F20c !
Best sounding cross plane V8 in history.
I my self a proud owner of a 04 E55💪
M113 engine for the 5.0l is about 302 hp but the m119 is roughly 322 hp
Yeah they slightly detuned the M113 for better mileage
I love this
The M113k is such a legendary engine let down by it's platforms. I wish it more in the general conciseness as it's the best engine AMG ever made IMO.
Best engine ever!!
I don't care what people says , second gen OM651 (DE18) is the best modern diesel engine mercedes made , it's well engineered and well built , lasts for 1mil miles without rebuild and can take heavy beating , plus it revs faster than any diesel I've ever seen and it sorta sounds like a high power gasoline engine , I love it
The OM646 Evo is less restrained in terms of emissions and consumption, and it also is more robust since it doesn't have as many plastic parts. The powerband isn't as smooth, but I find that to be a fun factor adder
@@cds401 the 646 evo is perfect in my w211 mopf. You definitely can feel the turbo kicking in tho
Single row timing chain has entered the chat
The best sounding car on the current F1 grid is the MB safety car!
The 4.3 is pretty potent. 5.4L is really stout. The supercharged 5.4 can restart a dying star.
I actually have an SLR Mclaren
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I own M120/M113K and M275.
M275 is by far the most interesting one.
It's what I role with!
Review the OM606
Could you make a review of the M273 engine which was really an innovation after the M113
do the m119 and m117 next please
Greatest engine that MB ever put in car was OM615 D20/22, those were indestructible and still going.
Agreed, I have one in my collection. In a w115 from 1969.
Driving OM648 W211 right now, dreaming of a C219 M113K though..
hey the next suggested video was for the volvo V8 yamaha... ive seen that one b4... it made me think of the taurus SHO... i think the engine in that one was a yamaha V8 too... are the two engines related... i think they came out in the 1st and 2nd gen taurus... i could just be remembering wrong...
I did that one a fee months ago
@@VisioRacer ohook i seen you did do the SHO ford v8 on the highest revving engines...
Another great thing about it is that thanks to SOHC heads it's much more compact, so it's much easier to swap into many cars. People are swapping them into RX-8, BMW E36, Miatas, etc.
There is a guy here in Poland that swapped a 5.0 M113 into a Nissan Patrol and that thing RIPS! A two tonne truck on 38 inch tires and it absolutely HAULS ASS offroad!
Before we know it the m113 will be 3 decades old , in conclusion the M113k will forever have my heart .. for one ☝️ ,It’s one of the most sexiest looking AMG engines in the engine bay of a Mercedes Benz in my opinion ever , it looks like it’s already going 200mph the way it’s shaped !? ... Yea yea they have other good looking fully covered carbon fiber engines/ bays , but think about it this way . The m113k was designed over two decades ago based on the m113. Showing once again how badass both motors are & with added HP of supercharger both the engine & transmission can take a beating . CASE CLOSED 😅( edit )
Btw I’m on my second w211 e55 amg car (and I’ve owned the 2nd one for 7 years now , and that’s because I didn’t even know how legendary the car was the first go around until after / during the sale of the first car . all I remember was the power / quality/ luxury for the cost was insane. Only then is when I got serious about ownership and the preservation of this car it’s not a museum piece but it’s still a good example. & as a closer,The only 2 cars I ever wish to own forever are the CLS55 & E55 so that proves dreams do come true no matter what.
changing the plug was pain in the back lol ( i know hemi does the twin spark thing )
How does it compare to the m273?
Could you do one of the M279??👀
hey visioracer all m113 have forged internals, aftermarket and Kompressor m113 motors have a higher degree of forged aluminum.
Do one on the mll9
113&157 the masterpiece
Mercedes knows engines, this engine is the euro ls, tough as nails and easily moddable with huge power
how much horsepower can you make with the c43 4.3l, sl500 5.0l m113, clk dtm 5.4l m113k and slr m155 5.4l supercharged motors?
can it go over 1000hp like the bmw v8s, like s62 and s63?
there is a bmw s63 with over 1200hp, or even more...
maybe if you turbo it?
yes you can, keep in mind s62 s63 are way newer engines. M113 is a sohc from 1997, so it's more like LS v8 and shares small aftermarket with ls v8
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So besides spark plugs, the water pump, and the engine rear main seal... it was generally a reliable motor?
For a Benz yes 😆
@@josephcazzuto7198 And thereby by any manufacturer :) No other engines with that amount of power will last as long.
Yes , no mechanical problems like BMW rod bearings , Porsche IMS bearings and bore scoring or MB 6.3 M156 head bolts and cam wear that can all cost big dollars to fix.
i fucking GASPED at the SLR engine layout... that, is a beauty!
10:42 song?
BMW M57 please sir!
I am trying to get one. That's not used and Abused
Or Priced like nuts
Love my E55 w211 Kompressor 👍🇦🇺🇦🇺
I have a C55 with the 5.4 and she’s still kicking at 190k miles!
and what about something forgotten but interestingly mazda xedos 9 2.3v6 supercharger engine ??
I personnally have the m113 5.4 n/a and an om606 turbo
probably the best engine Mercedes ever produce
W211 e500 m113 5.0 200k miles
👌Mercedes-Benz M113 e55 👍
9:50 that engine must be miracle :p Nee, sranda, každý se uklepne, pokračuj ve tvorbě, moc se mi líbí :)
Teším sa ☺️
My s55 is not super charged.
Is it still consider m113 ?
Sure, but not M113K(ompressor)
GM has the LS, Toyota has the JZ and Mercedes has the M113.
this m113 engine is a multiplex v90 angle degre , so the v6 follow the v8 in developpement . because when you create a v8 it is a 90 degres angle for less vibration and a regular v6 have normally a 60 degrees angle. the v6 M112 version with 12 spark plugs is a v8 16 spark plugswith 2 cylinder suppress with a more effective balance shaft wheel., nothing in common withe the old 320 i6 and 420 v8
Benz v8s sound is on a completely different level than a barbaric American v8. I love MB v8 sound so much. It sounds so smooth and even. US v8s sound like a bucket of loose bolts lmao.
12:38 A lot of car companies overestimate how long their spark plugs last. Far too many 100,000 mile spark plugs are used up at 60,000 miles. Some engines won't trigger an OBDII misfire code at that point, but they won't be performing as well as they could. Also, the ignition coils tend not to last as long when the spark plugs are pushed to their limit. Given how much ignition coils cost, new spark plugs ahead of schedule are cheap insurance.
What do you base this information of?
@@douglasberg2881 I have worked on numerous cars for years. Most were built when platinum and iridium plugs were the norm.
I work as mechanic myself and have never seen recommended Intervalls longer than about 60 000 Km. Which is about 37k, miles. Never heard worn plugs would have an impact on the coils lifespan. Difficult to prove I suppose.
😳 Was the "deep baritone" audio of that McLaren SL at 4:00 supposed to be that _implausibly terrible_ ?
I've never driven a merc with a bad engine, they just used to suck at building transmissions XD
actually the first gen of the c class is the 190d but overall great video
It wasn't called the C-class though, the same way that the 500SEL wasn't called the S-class
@@phil955i No the 500SEL was called the S class
I'm pretty sure the pre 1993 Mercedes naming system works like this
3 digit number showing engine displacement in centilitres
Letter E showing Einspritzmotor (fuel injected engine)
Letter D for diesel
L for langer Radstand (long wheelbase)
S for Sonderklasse (special class, and often just called S Klasse or S class)
G for Geländerwagen (G wagon)
T for touring (estate)
So 300E was medium sized car with fuel injection and 3l engine
500SEL was an s class with fuel injection, long wheelbase and 5l engine
230G was a g wagon with carburetted 2.3l engine
300td was a medium sized estate car with 3l diesel
The exception for this rule was the compact 190 series, which uses 190 and then the engine displacement badge in litres
Eg 190E 2.6 or 190D 2.5
After 1993
190 becomes c class
Medium sized becomes e class
The letters E and T are dropped
@@adamtheginger5882 I'm sure you're correct to an extent, although I'm pretty sure the early 190E was carburetter. And yeah back then the numbers actually related to the engine size, but as of about 20 odd years ago (along with BMW) they no longer do. I curently own a CLS ...what do you reckon that stands for? 😉
@@phil955i the 190 series launched in the early 80s with 3 models I think
190E with m102 fuel injection
190D with om601 diesel
190 with m102 with downdraft carburettor
So ur sort of right in that u could get a model with carburettor but that was called the 190 whereas the 190E had k jetronic
Let’s be honest the m155 is probably the most reliable McLaren engine I have a 06 s55 and it’s the perfect daily while still being fun
Could we get what makes the BMW M50 so good?
Is it REALLY that reliable though?
150k on my E55 and I’ve had ringland/engine failure due to factory naturally aspirated ring gap spec; oil pump chain hitting the timing cover (engine pull); and two supercharger failures, once of which was replaced at dealer at 90k.
From my reading, i think all m113k engines have the chain slap. If i recall correctly, it is because the spring steel tensioner they used for the oil pump drive chain is a little weak and lets the chain slap a bit, at least at idle. Until i found it was a common thing i was worried i had valvetrain noise, 04 s55. It wont slap when cold, only after it warms up. Ive read of cars with well over a hundred, maybe two hundred thousand miles with the chain slap and no issues. I believe the regular m113 never had this issue because i believe they have a different oil pump setup with no oil pump chain, could be wrong. You talk about piston failure, did you turn up the boost? Also the e55 has an oring for oilpump that goes bad eventually and can kill the engine. As the engine has oil squirters i believe, a bad oring situation could result in insufficient flow to the oil squirters, raising piston temp. Though i think the bearings would spin before that happens. Also i dont think many people change the supercharger oil. Even then bearings dont last forever.
@@connor3288 Correct, regular M113 didn't have the issue thanks to a different oil pump setup.
But as for my ringland failure - it was due to to back-to-back 0-160 MPH runs causing ends of piston ring to touch on #8. 83mm supercharger pulley, so the least aggressive one with a PLM heat exchanger and CM30 pump. The oil pump o-ring was definitely bad since it essentially turned to plastic/hard. Supercharger was a new '580' supercharger from the dealer 60,000 ago.
There is a E50amg
I have been in one
Did they have a v12 v16?!.
Used on some Old ancient hyper car?!.
they have had V12s yessir, check out LegitStreetcars on UA-cam he rebuilt the top end of a twin turbo V12 mercedes
@@snoofayy6150 👌 👏 😍 👍 🥰 ☺
When it's time to get away it's hard to beat a mercedes with a V8 motor.
Avoid m157 like the plague when it hits 100k miles or over
makes me wonder what a intake from the 5.4l on my 5.0 would do hmmmmm
Nothing.. it's the same
Do a Subaru EJ series engine next time. 33 years of production, i think it deserves a video.
Isn't the M119 better stronger?