CTR's and RESTRICTED AREAS - Can you fly in them? Class D airspace and red zones

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  • Helloooo drone pilots.
    I have had a lot of questions about flying in 'Red zones' on the NATS Drone assist app. These are comprised of CTRs (controlled traffic regions) and restricted areas. So I have got in touch with Colin from iRed who is a drone instructor and we have gone of the rules in great detail.
    You will see how the rules aplly to both hobbyist and commercial pilots.
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    Thanks for watching and I hope to see you in the next one!
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  • @94feetphotos
    @94feetphotos 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks for the information it makes it a lot easier to understand.

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому

      So glad to hear that! Thanks Justin!

  • @mananddroneuk
    @mananddroneuk Рік тому

    *Great information Paul, subbed your channel - thanks!*

  • @danjor_droneitsme6874
    @danjor_droneitsme6874 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent 👍👍 that cleared up a lot of questions,well worth it thanks

  • @Triumph_Explorer
    @Triumph_Explorer 3 роки тому +2

    Great vlog. Very helpful. Cheers.

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому

      Thanks man. So great to hear!

  • @mikew976
    @mikew976 Рік тому +1

    Explains it well! It's good to hear this but it would be good to see where this is stated / documented in the regulations too 👍🏼

  • @jamiewright4420
    @jamiewright4420 3 роки тому +3

    Just watched both videos you did about Drone assist app, learnt alot being a newbie and owner of a mini 2 which I absolutely love. Will watch all other of your video in due time to gain more knowledge and confidence. Keep up the good work fella 👍

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks Jamie, great to hear! Glad you enjoy flying!

  • @TonyPeterson45
    @TonyPeterson45 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for this. Valuable information and difficult to find a definitive answer online.

  • @johnmelling9950
    @johnmelling9950 5 місяців тому

    I sold my first drone years ago as i thought it was illegal to fly in the ctr zone and i live just inside one. Recently bought a mini 4 pro as i found out it was legal to fly here. This video just confirms that for me thanks. I do notice a lot of fairly low flying aircraft here circling to land at Liverpool/Manchester but they are always above 4000 feet, well above the 400 feet drone legal height. The only time i go to 400 feet is for very short periods with the drone very close by just to take 360 shots and then i come back down to much lower flying heights. You could not fly the mini drones far at 400 feet anyway as you quickly lose LOS with them at that height. About 100/150 feet is my preferred general flying height

  • @iMateusz1978
    @iMateusz1978 3 роки тому +1

    Good video , explain lot. Thank you.

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому

      Thanks 😊 Glad it was helpful!

  • @callumwelsh5908
    @callumwelsh5908 3 роки тому +1

    Very informative, getting him back on for ldn specific would be great!

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому +1

      I have shot that already, just needs editing and then reviewing to make sure it is all accurate. Hopefully will be out within the next few weeks.

  • @benrec6
    @benrec6 3 роки тому +1

    Many thanks Paul & Colin, another great video. Pleased to say that I passed my A2 CofC yesterday 👍😁🚁🌞

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому +1

      Congrats man! hope you get plenty of flight time!

    • @benrec6
      @benrec6 3 роки тому

      @@paul-thys thanks Paul! Can’t wait to be able to now offer my commercial aerial services within my photography. Have got just under 45 hours as a recreational user. Good luck with the GVC. I’ll study for this at some point too 👍

  • @reepham39
    @reepham39 2 роки тому +1

    Very informative thanks

  • @neilneil60nb
    @neilneil60nb 2 роки тому +1

    Very helpful thanks

  • @Jonathantuba
    @Jonathantuba 3 роки тому +1

    Very useful, thank you!

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому

      Thanks Jonathan. Glad it was helpful!

  • @PeterMatthess
    @PeterMatthess 2 роки тому +3

    VERY informative video! This is indeed information that's actually quite hard to get clarity on, thankyou! I'm a Newcastle based drone flyer and you answered my question about the Newcastle CTR. Thanks!

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks Peter. Had a great challenge looking for this info before talking to Colin. Hopefully you can have fun with your drone without that doubt at the back of your head now.
      Happy flying!

  • @lindsayheyes925
    @lindsayheyes925 3 роки тому +2

    Great stuff! I've seen comments from people who have been overwhelmed and dismayed by CTRs in their area - completely unnecessarily. This clears it all up nicely. Proper job!

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому

      Yeah thanks Lindsay! I live within the Heathrow CTR and it is massive. I simply would not be able to fly without a long drive so feel it is important people are aware of the situation.

  • @Matt_warren_photography
    @Matt_warren_photography 3 роки тому +1

    Great video and info really clears things up as a hobbyist. Would definitely be interesting to know more about the mini and mini 2 and about night flying. Is it just the light on top that's required?

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому +2

      I will add that to my list! But actually the laws are changing and it looks like you may not need a light at this time.

    • @Matt_warren_photography
      @Matt_warren_photography 3 роки тому +1

      @@paul-thys oh really that's good to know!

  • @barneykennett9282
    @barneykennett9282 3 роки тому +1

    Nice...👍.

  • @JimiJo
    @JimiJo 2 роки тому +1

    This is a fantastic video thank you. I’ll be using iRed that’s for sure. My house sits 2km south of Gatwick’s main runway does this mean I can’t fly my drone around my garden keeping below 3metres?

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  2 роки тому

      Thanks James. I would think you would need permission to take off. I am not sure 100% where you mean though. I would download the Drone Assist app by altitude angel and that will tell where all the zones are.

  • @PaulMcKillop
    @PaulMcKillop 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks for the information and detailed explanations. Paul, what will the GVC give you as extra over A2 CofC when you qualify?

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому +1

      For me honestly there is not a huge use for it. It will however allow me to fly any drone under 25 kg (even without a C class mark) generally 50 meters from people. With a 50 meter bubble around the drone.
      After seeing my A2 CofC video iRed offered me the GVC course for free. (This was unexpected for me and the video was made without knowing this would happen).
      So I decided to give it a go to further my knowledge wore than anything.
      The GVC will allow me to start a drone company with employees, gain easier access to flight restriction zone and fly in the specific category if I choose to.
      It has also expanded my drone knowledge and given me more awareness of who the sky is shared with.

    • @PaulMcKillop
      @PaulMcKillop 3 роки тому +1

      @@paul-thys Thanks, Paul. The 50m permission is certainly worth thinking about. It doesn't look if the existing drones will be given retrospective C classification so that may be a way to make the Mavic Air 2 relevant again.

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому +1

      @@PaulMcKillop Yeah, it does appear that way. Still not finished yet (as I cannot do the practical test until covid eases off).
      It is a lot of work though and much more involved than the A2 CofC!

  • @GStar-9
    @GStar-9 Рік тому

    What do you do before each flight to check local byelaws in public places as that too can restrict permission to fly as set by LA's and won't be on Drone Assist. Breaching a byelaw can result in a fine as a minimum. Discuss ...

  • @PalfT1
    @PalfT1 3 роки тому +2

    Great video and very informative! I have a question about flying in danger zones. It was mentioned that you cannot fly without permission in danger zones, however I contacted the CAA about wether I could fly my Mini 2 in the d202 danger zone, as I saw on the drone assist app that it said if you do fly, fly with caution and keep strictly to the drone code. I had a response from CAA saying that as long as I follow the drone code I should be fine to fly? Any idea on which is right?

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому +2

      Hi Tom,
      The drone code classifies this a flight restriction zone, so you will need permission to fly there. The CAA with give sponsors the ability to regulate the airspace on their behalf. The sponsors can be found on the eAIS www.aurora.nats.co.uk/htmlAIP/Publications/2021-01-28-AIRAC/html/index-en-GB.html under
      You will need to get permission from the sponsors who control the airspace.
      I found this on the NATs eAIS
      Range Control, Tel: 01239-813219.
      Remarks: Pilots will be required to comply with ATC instructions whilst crossing EG D202B and will be provided with an appropriate Flight Information Service. Pilots who may be unable to comply with ATC instructions should not request a crossing clearance.
      The Cap 722C covers areas where UA should not be flown. Page 7 should help... publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP722C%20UAS%20Airspace%20Restrictions%20Guidance%20and%20Policy.pdf
      Looks like a lot of effort!

    • @PalfT1
      @PalfT1 3 роки тому

      @@paul-thys Thanks, I'll have a look at those. It's a bit strange I was told otherwise by CAA, they said it should be fine flying keeping to the rules. I better look into it some more then

  • @ThatGoth
    @ThatGoth 2 роки тому

    According to DJI and Drone Assist almost all of the UK from Manchester to Liverpool is a Class D CTR and comes up red, so I can ignore that?.

  • @mananddroneuk
    @mananddroneuk Рік тому +1

    Manchester Airport in Drone Assist shows as a CTR controlled zone. I was asked to take some aerial photos of a hotel which opposite the 2nd runway.
    Since I'm flying the Mini3 pro sub 250g would this be legal?

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  Рік тому

      Not without permission. It is easy to get though. Fill out this form and should be okay

  • @urkman100
    @urkman100 3 роки тому +1

    Just learned that in Sweden you are allowed to fly up to 120m in controlled airspace when the airports are closed. I guess that this applies to all of EU/UK if not regulated otherwise.

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому

      I believe the laws still vary slightly in the EU, for example in Germany I think you can only fly to 100m and the in UK, although have laws based on EASA, we have slightly different laws since we left the EU...

  • @pete2109
    @pete2109 2 роки тому

    You say we don’t need permission in the pink areas, but what if dji say it’s prohibited? Can we get round that?

  • @LISTEDGames
    @LISTEDGames 2 роки тому +3

    my entire city is covered for kms under class D airspace, which is good to hear that it only applies to manned aircrafts

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  2 роки тому +1

      Yeah it can look scary at first 😅

  • @joniantipatrea
    @joniantipatrea Рік тому +1

    Hello
    Is there any chance to fly the dji air 2s over London?
    Thanks

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  Рік тому

      It's a lot harder. You will be better off getting a GVC which is hard work and expensive. You will still need to find a nice place to take off from too.

  • @jamesss1953
    @jamesss1953 2 роки тому +1

    Looking at the drone assist app I was horrified with the red area over the Scottish Highlands. This region in which I live. According to drone assist restrictions are RED and from surface upwards (>400 ft for max drone altitude). Having just watched you guys here it would appear that as a hobbyist, with caution & drone regs & common sense, I can in fact fly in this space? I often do a hike to remote areas (no roads, inhabited buildings, people etc and only then fly my DJI Mavic 3 ~ I’m a photographer and bought M3 because of its Hasselblad camera opportunities. I do know of certain times of the year that there are military procedures ongoing (which involves aircraft) do I don’t fly during such times.
    Please can you help me in this question.
    Incidentally/ I’ve just subscribed and 👍 since I’ve found content well worth watching.

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  2 роки тому

      Thanks James.
      It looks like you can fly there on the weekends.
      That is a NOTAMed restricted area.
      If you go to notaminfo.com/ukmap
      click Airspace details
      Show offshore/NOTAMed restricted areas
      It should tell you it is restricted Mon - Fri.

    • @jamesss1953
      @jamesss1953 2 роки тому +1

      @@paul-thys I’ve tried to get an account with notamed ~ still waiting for password. Also terminology is above my understanding, so a bit of investigation required from me. It’s the statement = “surface to “ which to me means ‘NO’ flying. This is a brand new subject for me and I’m sure there are many others in the same position ~ any chance of a UA-cam vid on this or including this area, including description of the drone assist app terminology? I know it’s a lot to ask🤔

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  2 роки тому

      @@jamesss1953 Leave it with me! It is good info to get out. It is very difficult for hobbyist drone operator at the moment. The law is in the air and the CAA are largely difficult to contact.
      For now its a 'part time' restriction where you can fly on the weekend 🙂

    • @jamesss1953
      @jamesss1953 2 роки тому +1

      @@paul-thys thank for your speedy reply; and look forward to your information

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  2 роки тому

      @@jamesss1953 Thanks James. I have a ton of freelance work atm, but will hit UA-cam hard again as soon as I can!

  • @bangalicreative
    @bangalicreative 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for that Paul, really clears up some confusion! I have a question - I went to Langdon hills in Essex last week and the park keeper told me I wasn’t allowed to fly there. Is that true or did he just not know the rules? I have a mini 2 and it’s registered. Thanks in advance!

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому +3

      I grew up there and use to go to Langdon Hills all the time!
      Depending on where you are shooting the land will either be owned by a volunteer group or the council.
      Legally You have just as much right to the airspace above the park as any aeroplane that flies over it.
      However you will need permission to take off and land from any land that is not public. So there may be the possibility to take off from outside the park and fly over, but not do it from within the park.
      I personally would ask (as politely as possible) why they would not want you flying there. It may be as not to disturb certain wildlife for example (I happen to know Langdon hills is a Site of Special Scientific Interest ).
      The CAA do mention to fly safely and considerately.

    • @bangalicreative
      @bangalicreative 3 роки тому +3

      @@paul-thys thanks for that detailed answer Paul! He said he didn’t want to set a precedent and that people would mind. He did direct me to another park nearby, but didn’t seem to care that I was allowed by law. Anyway, thanks for ur answer, keep up the great work!

    • @pete2109
      @pete2109 2 роки тому

      @@bangalicreative Have you had any warning from dji that you cannot fly in an area? Reason I’m asking is I’m trying to ascertain whether dji will throw up a “you cannot fly” in my area, a CTR around Southend airport, not within a FRZ but a CTR which is the outer pink area, although many youtubers say you don’t need permission but dji has thrown up warnings before when I used to fly my Spark! 😡😡🤬 Did you fly over Langdon Hills? And have I got to go to the dji fly safe app to get this permission? Thanks mate 👍

    • @bangalicreative
      @bangalicreative 2 роки тому +1

      @@pete2109 hey Pete, yes DJI geo-locks their drones in the red zone (forgot the code) but if you’re just outside, you can fly up to the edge without issue. Some people find it annoying but I feel like it helps me stay within the law, even though it can be annoying! I did fly in Langdon hills, no issues there except for the grounds keeper, you can check the flight on my channel.
      I believe the blue zone can be unrestricted via DJI’s website, but others I think @paul-thys would know much better than me! Happy flying!

    • @pete2109
      @pete2109 2 роки тому +1

      @@bangalicreative Thank you mate, I’ll go out and try to see what dji throw up when I’m in the ‘pink CTR’ area when I get a few moments 👍

  • @pete2109
    @pete2109 2 роки тому +1

    If we don’t need permission to fly in the pink areas what happens when the dji app says “restricted area you need permission”??? I live within a FRZ and have to go just outside this area to be able to fly, I hope? I bought the mini 2 yesterday but know the app will throw up warnings and restrictions! I used to fly the Spark and could take off (hover) in my garden but because dji have increased their geo zones I can’t even do what I used to do with my Spark, which is bloody annoying! How do we get these ‘permissions’ from dji? I have the flyer ID and Operator ID and I’m insured as a hobbist. Thanks, great content as usual 👌

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Pete. It depends on the pink area. If it is a CTR you do not need permission. if it is a FRZ you will need permission from the CAA.
      I have a video on flying in a FRZ here ua-cam.com/video/JuSJQZDRjeE/v-deo.html It explains how to unlock the DJI fly app.

    • @pete2109
      @pete2109 2 роки тому

      @@paul-thys Hi Paul, yes, its a CTR but will dji still throw up a “restricted flight you cannot take off”? Have I got to go through all the rigmaroll on the dji fly app to be able to fly, although we “don’t need permission??? So confusing mate🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

  • @nickstevens8858
    @nickstevens8858 2 роки тому +1

    Hi all I have a question, I’d like to fly at Thurleigh Airfield Business Park to get some aerial shots of my place of work, but it’s still listed as an Aerodrome even though it’s not been an active airfield for many years, the area is now mostly used for car storage (in fact the main runways are now used for storage). It’s on drone assist as an FRZ and not a CTR but as far as I can see the DJI software would prevent takeoff?

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  2 роки тому

      Looking on the DJI app it appears you will not need permission to take off. There is no NFZ there

    • @nickstevens8858
      @nickstevens8858 2 роки тому +1

      @@paul-thys does make me wonder why it’s on altitude angel as an FRZ then, surely either it is or it isn’t 🤷🏼‍♂️

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  2 роки тому

      @@nickstevens8858 If it’s a circle with a runway and it’s not being used. It probably isn’t. You can always go on the NATs website and see if there is a NSF form for it. If not it is likely incorrectly labelled on Drone Assist. You can always try emailing the CAA.

    • @nickstevens8858
      @nickstevens8858 2 роки тому +1

      @@paul-thys it’s listed as an FRZ on Nats. I’ll contact the Aerodrome and see what they say

    • @nickstevens8858
      @nickstevens8858 2 роки тому

      @@paul-thys thanks I’ll have a look 👍🏻

  • @stevio7777
    @stevio7777 3 роки тому +2

    1) Are all CTR areas classed as a D area/zone? 2) Can we still fly our mini 2 drones in these areas without notifying the authorities. 3) I was told air space in these CTR areas doesn’t go from the ground up. But your friend said they do?
    Many thanks 😊

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому +1

      I believe all CTR's will be class D. You can fly your mini 2 in class D areas without permission. Again I believe they range from the ground up, I will check all this will Colin next time I speak to him!

    • @12vibaba
      @12vibaba 2 роки тому +1

      @@paul-thys sometimes class C (millitary) and no not always from the ground up. sometimes like an upside down pie. (Bigger airports) and you can not fly in class D airspace because you need 2 way radio contact. Not sure what this guy is talking about. you can only fly in class E and G airspace. (uncontrolled airspace). But maybe the UK has different rules if it comes to drones but I I would not try it in other countries.

    • @ClanLawrence
      @ClanLawrence Рік тому +1

      Yes, they are all Class D. Also, they are not "Controlled Traffic Regions", god knows where that came from. They are simply "Control Zones" Anything defined as a "Zone", I.e. CTR, ATZ, MATZ or FRZ is from the surface upwards. An Area, as in Control Area (CTA) or Terminal Maneuvering Area (TMA), is between 2 defined levels.

    • @ClanLawrence
      @ClanLawrence Рік тому +1

      @@12vibaba There are no Class C CTRs in the UK.

  • @jonsavva
    @jonsavva 3 роки тому +1

    Can you do one for yellow areas please

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому

      I will get onto this!

    • @callumwelsh5908
      @callumwelsh5908 3 роки тому

      @@paul-thys please do!

    • @PP-rl5sn
      @PP-rl5sn 3 роки тому

      @@callumwelsh5908 has this been done?

  • @lyndarlehane582
    @lyndarlehane582 2 роки тому

    Clear as mud.

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  2 роки тому

      😂 basically yes you can fly in ctrs

  • @edcbabc
    @edcbabc Рік тому +1

    There is a red zone around Sandringham in Norfolk. It just says 'red zones are regulated high risk areas and operation of your drone may be hazardous or prohibited'. No flight restriction zone inside it. Is that a CTR?

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  Рік тому

      No a CTR will need an airport in it.

  • @elementary8963
    @elementary8963 Рік тому

    Colin has a very nice Pizza oven.

  • @danensis
    @danensis 3 роки тому +1

    Dronescene is a bit more user friendly than the NATS app.

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому

      I will check it out again. I found it a bit fiddly the first time I used it...

  • @dolwen
    @dolwen 3 роки тому +1

    Police non-emergency number is 101 , not 111. Many offer online reporting which is easier.

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому

      Thanks for the info Simon!

    • @gregb49
      @gregb49 3 роки тому

      @SimonSays Very useful thanks.

  • @P1SteveP1
    @P1SteveP1 2 роки тому +1

    You don't need a nearly 17 min video to say CTR's don't apply to uav's operating in the Open Category.

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  2 роки тому

      Thanks for you feed back Steve.
      I feel on this issue it’s important to give all the information on as there is contradicting/unclear information from respectable sources. Anyone can post incorrect information on UA-cam, so if you give all the information it can give you the confidence to fly knowing you are not going to get stopped by law enforcement. I also personally thinks it’s interesting. No need to watch the whole video if you just want a quick answer though. If you add the fact it took me a few weeks to gather the information, I felt it was worth taking the time to put all the information in one place.
      I will review the videos title though to see if it can reflect this better.

    • @P1SteveP1
      @P1SteveP1 Рік тому

      @@paul-thys A few weeks? It's all in CAP 722 and you could have found it in a few minutes and that is the only respectable source you should be consulting.

  • @PabloTBrave
    @PabloTBrave 3 роки тому +1

    A bit ummmie and armmie but useful Info thanks

    • @paul-thys
      @paul-thys  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks Paul. Yes not my usual style, but I get a lot of questions about this subject so I felt it was important to go over it in detail. Will try to be more concise in future interviews!