Thanks for catching that - Craig Kirkwood! I knew that, but saw a post about them working together recently from Tim Heming and it just stuck in my brain!
Matthew Marquardt shared some interesting comments with Jack regarding drafting on The Triathlon Hour. And based on Jack’s post about the age group race, I absolutely thought he was insinuating the winner had something to do with it… I also find it interesting that everyone talks about people having a chance in two years to do things differently. Totally bypassing next year’s race in Nice. I think that itself speaks to the fact that Kona is where the race should be. 🤷🏼♀️ Great content as always!
Congrats on your finish!!! Way to bring the best out of yourself and push through the suffering during that run-that’s what our sport is all about! It was a pleasure meeting you in Vegas, I always look forward to your videos.
Thank you so much! That means a lot, it was great meeting you in Vegas too! Now that I did the hard course once, Im voting they find a flatter part to do the race 🤣
Honestly, honestly 😂 great video Travis. Nice to see you competing out there too. Your channel brings to life this sport and the journey of the pro-athletes. Thank yoy
This is what separates Ironman from road-racing. You can innovate on the fly. But in road-racing [UCI] you can innovate, yes, but your innovation has to be made publicly available, even BEFORE the event! I think a combination of BOTH things should be installed in Ironman. We deserve it!
I really hope triathlon stays in Kona, and I think Ironman as an organisation simply has to do more for the community there to make it so that they actually embrace having the event there, if that’s actually possible. You’ve also convinced me about the drafting. I really hated seeing it during the event, and was salty that Lange could conserve his energy while Laidlow, Ditlev, and Blummenfelt (basically anyone trying to make a break for the win) all blew up. But if it was made to be 20m it could make for some really stale racing, which is the biggest problem with T100. But I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Nothing would make triathlon more exciting than getting rid of power meters. It’s the only thing that would shake up the boringness of triathlon pack dynamics. We need to see more people taking a chance and blowing up. It’s the same thing that makes the of track athletics and Olympic swimming exciting - athletes taking a chance at glory. Which is why I’ll always applaud Laidlow for what he did in Kona. He shook things up and took a chance, and things would have turned out very differently if he had just been patient enough to wait for Ditlev. That was his one mistake.
12:20- the equivalent of most of those customised parts can be acquired at a reasonable price from Tri-rig - which make them to be super adjustable. The 3-D printed versions of this exotica put the price up by an order of magnitude and any further gains would be super marginal and largely dependent on the objective results of aero testing - windtunnels, velodromes and ‘real world’ road testing. Magnus and Sam’s team probably do spend close to $100K on the combination of parts and testing. However, great ‘bang for buck’ could be obtained for about 1/10th of that cost: still expensive, but a $10K outlay will get a pro within a few watts of what Magnus can achieve and hence well and truly still in the game.
22:00 - I think it is disgraceful that the PTO does not make all of the regular races in the Ironman Pro Series ‘Platinum’ as well, given the $2.1 million bonus pool. Simply giving a single 5% weighting to the athelete’s best result but keeping all of the races at the Gold Tier isn’t good enough. The rankings are too weighted in favour of T-100 series athletes as it is.
So much to talk about in this episode! - TFoley was my dark horse in Kona. I think too many people are missing the fact that he definitely over biked and/or under fueled and would have likely blown up just like Sam. Yes it was a mistake coming into T2... but it was the exact type of mistake when you've bonked. - Any time I see LCB content I always think about the insane amount of sponsor assistance and advantage she has over most pro's, it's wild. However, outside or race day, I say "go for it" take all the advantages you're afforded. On race day though, I think it needs to be a fair race and any equipment should be stuff that anyone can obtain. All the new bike fairings or whatever people are adding this year is BS and shouldn't be allowed. - I raced Vegas as well and 100% the T100 puts on an amazing race experience, far and away better than anything I've ever experienced. The price was close to half of a 70.3 and the swag was better, the race was better, and the whole weekend was just unbelievable. Like walking down the street and saying " oh there's Taylor Knibb hanging out" , " there's Flora Duffy" like what world am I living in right now! I literally have a picture hugging Paula Findlay when I crossed the finish line 🥰 - Dubai T100 confuses me... they say 10-12k participants but they only opened registration like 3 weeks ago? I very curious to see how it actually goes.
Awesome comment! I love that point especially on how it should be at least equipment "anyone can obtain." Wish I saw you there in Vegas - next time!! Love that you got to hug Paula!! Dubai will reveal itself on the broadcast how big it actually is, I think!
On the T100 UA-cam channel they did a walk and talk with Martin and Jelle after the Vegas race. In it they talked about the rules for grand final wild cards. They said you had to do two races to qualify and since Jelle only did one he doesn’t qualify.
We need a 20m draft on the bike in Kona. There's too much of an advantage at 12m. If you compare Leon Chevalier power meter to those in the pack, I'm sure his watts would be much higher. I'd be curious to know what Patrick Lange's power was on the bike. If he would have biked in the front all by himself like Sam Laidlow, I'm sure his run time would be much longer. He had the perfect day and played by the rules.
At IM Lake Placid, any woman who just finished the race was offered a slot to Nice. One day. One race. Kona. My wife and I spectated in Kona this year, illness kept me from doing my 30th Kona, and she said that something was wrong, no women. RE: Locals. Apparently rude behavior was rampant enough to turn many locals against the event, which was not an issue with the women last year! 5k for a one piece arm rest/fairing is legal. 5 cents of duct tape to seal the space between arm rests is illegal. Way to go IM. And WHAT did they DQ Magnus' bike for???? 20m draft zone and use USAT rules which allow a passing rider to slot in, the passed rider having to back away. And PLEASE get professional caliber commentators for the live coverage!
Ben Reszel doesn't coach Hayden Wilde. See Fitter Radio Episode 590 where this is confirmed with Hayden's actual coach Craig Kirkwood. But Ben does coach another New Zealander, Braden Currie.
17:37 - isnt there a distinction between ‘wildcard’ and ‘roll down’ selections? I thought the whole purpose of ‘wildcards’ was to allow the PTO to use its discretion to pick athletes who might ‘spice things up’ or were perceived to be worthy, even though they didnt have the rankings due to racing ITU or coming back from injury etc. This year the PTO have filled the fields typically via rolling down the rankings list, and fair enough, but not selecting Gelle based on some ‘objective criteria’ seems stupid. Just imagine how stupid the PTO would look if any of the Olympic Games medalists said that they would like a start at the PTO Grand Final only to be rebuffed by some BS ‘criteria’. The likes of Jelle (now he has actually won a PTO T-100 race), Alex, Heydon and Leo are EXACTLY what must have been in mind when considering ‘wildcard’ selections (and indeed the ‘wildcard’ picks for contracts handed out to Alistair, Javier, Martin and Max at the beginning of the year illustrates that point perfectly. Stupid stuff from the PTO.
I think the claim that not all pros can access aero development is a bit of a red herring. With a power meter, a speed sensor, patience and some smarts, you can get at least 90% of the way there with field testing and the Chung protocol. Apps like Golden Cheetah make it even easier. Will having an expert on hand make it easier? For sure. Is it necessary to get good results? Nope.
Travis I completely agree with you. The PTO rankings are bs. A full Ironman race is in a completely different league then a T100 race. A top Ironman athlete being compared to a short course athlete is absurd. Who is the best overall triathlete in the world right now? I guarantee you it is not MVR! T100 sure you might have a case at the moment but wait until the rest of the super fast short course guys start doing T100. Next year not being an Olympic year is going to drastically change the T100. We have already seen it starting to happen. A guy like Sam Long or Patrick or Laura Phillip or any other long distance top athlete will not stand a chance. I believe that the majority of full Ironman distance athletes will gravitate to the Ironman Pro Series. There may be some exceptions though as Sam Laidlow, Magnus, Kat Mathews and LCB have shown that they can excel at both. But for how long. The two distances are two different animals. Ironman Hawaii and a PTO Event should not be in the same tier. IMWC, Ironman Hawaii and Nice, should be the highest tier possible. PTO races can stay in the diamond tier. They are not even close to being the same. Money has no business determining the tier at that level. That is a huge flaw and bias. Ironman Hawaii is the gold standard that all other races are compared to. Nothing else even Nice is close. Put Hawaii at 100 and Nice at 95
Travis I just looked at your rankings and have the following comments. T100 is not long course. It should be moved to short course. 70.3 should be the shortest race to be considered long course. If you disagree with this then consider changing your tiers. Tier 1. Ironman Hawaii and Nice with Ironman Hawaii being 100 and all other races lower. ie Nice = 95 Tier 2. IMWC 70.3, IM Pro Series full IM, Roth, and PTO Grand Finally Tier 3. PTO T100 races and IM Pro Series 70.3
@ I think we are on the same page. Thanks for reading and responding. Keep up the good work. Love your videos and the website. You are becoming the gold standard.
Those hyper competitive foreign types are always the funny…..Like really, doping to win an age group competition is crazy. Once a cheater always a cheater.
I agree, the season is too long. I disagree, from the way he looked, I was not sure Sam Laidlow would make it another 100 yards out of T2- just pushed it too hard early in the race in the heat & humidity of Kona, easy to do. Hundreds have done the same.
That's fair! I just saw him run by and hype up the crowds and thought he wouldn't be doing that before a blow-up - but maybe he knew it was coming, and thought I'd better enjoy the moment 😅
If you have ever been to race or spectate at Kona, you realize it’s a very small town that is simply overwhelmed for1 week a year, brings in millions into the local economy, but for the locals it’s a pain in the ass, and most don’t appreciate how much of a financial loss to the community if Ironman leaves. no way they are ever going to allow men and women on separate days, the mayor was almost voted out of office after that cluster.
Good point, but then it begs the question, is Ironman racing supposed to be a pure time trialing event? Do we then do drafting on the swim as well? Of course not, and I don’t know the answer, but maybe drafting to some degree is a part of racing? There is a lot of drafting in world tour cycling, and yet that is super exciting, but then again they are working in teams, which makes for completely different dynamics. I personally feel there was too much benefit from drafting in Kona, otherwise that main chase pack wouldn’t have stuck together for literally the entire race. Maybe 20m would have made it harder to conserve energy and broken it up, which makes it more about the individuals effort, as it maybe should be. And to answer my own rhetorical question about drafting in swimming, it’s obviously a lot more advantageous in cycling since there is so much benefit even at 12m! Whereas in swimming, if you lose the feet your pretty much done, as is what happened to Ditlev when he got dropped from the lead pack after getting dunked at one of the buoys. He said himself it wild have been too much energy and not worth it to even consider closing the gap.
@@inntw4889 World tour cycling, are you you talking about the road stages or TT stages? They do draft on the TTs when they're approaching another rider, but other than that, they're riding their own races not wanting to slow down for anything. Triathlon should be the same with respect to the cycling leg.
I thinking making people wait two years before getting another shot at the island is causing more desperation to cheat smh. It’s one thing if you can qualify and get back to Kona the following year but to have to extend and wait that extra year got people acting crazy
About the advantage of some pros having more expensive cockpits and everything .... The really unfair point is to see age groupers competing with 2000usd bikes against 15000usd bikes . Even more unfair is the amount of draft on those races, for AG and pros as well .... pros should be 20m (this way probably Lange wouldn´t be able to run 2h37 ) , and allow fewer AG on the race and more officials and penalties
If there was a salary cap to an Ironman, do you think people will just stop trying to gain a mechanical advantage? Was Jordan cheating bc he got his own shoe?
@@yesitis1395 im not saying that we dont have to develop the sports ... it is part of the game to have a better gear .. So as long as I think is unfair, it is not forbidden.... what should be forbidden is drafting
Ahh soo sorry to hear that you weren't able to compete! And yes, each local told me it was the rude behavior of the athletes that was what they hated most - not following road signs etc. Magnus' bike was a DQ for a rear mounted (something) I don't know for sure, but you can see it on his frame next to the derailleur!
I don't get your comment about PTO ranking. The ranking is based on SOF, position and race time. If the same athletes show up for one PTO race and one IM race, they will have the same score. Where is the biais? Sam is objectively ranked higher than Patrick. He raced a lot more ultra stacked races and have therefore more score.
Thanks for the comment! I should have explained further: The most important factor for me is that they are tiered scores as well (based on Prize money). PTO has Diamond level in all of their races - hence, they will always have the highest points. (100, 95, 90, 80, 70 is how it breaks down). protriathletes.org/pto-world-ranking-system/#:~:text=How%20Do%20Athletes%20Score%20PTO,an%20athlete's%20Race%20Time%20Score. Prize money should NEVER be a factor in points IMO. Especially for an exclusive series. Also, the SOF is based on their own (tiered) rankings, which means it no longer is an objective number. For example, Sam won London vs. Patrick won Texas - very stacked races, both of them... but Patrick gets ~ 6 points less. Sam won London and received the same points as Patrick winning the biggest race in triathlon (by far). Don't get me wrong, I think it is a really good ranking system and very very close, but I think it needs some more tweaking, otherwise you will see it just become the T100 top 20 rankings + the rest. :) Take a look at our rankings on the site and you can see how it can be vastly different standings if you tweak it just a little.
I didn't really want to go too deep into it because I know it is a sad topic right now. If I get enough information about it - I think it could be a good video to make!
Ben Rezel does not coach Hayden Wilde…
Thanks for catching that - Craig Kirkwood! I knew that, but saw a post about them working together recently from Tim Heming and it just stuck in my brain!
Matthew Marquardt shared some interesting comments with Jack regarding drafting on The Triathlon Hour. And based on Jack’s post about the age group race, I absolutely thought he was insinuating the winner had something to do with it…
I also find it interesting that everyone talks about people having a chance in two years to do things differently. Totally bypassing next year’s race in Nice. I think that itself speaks to the fact that Kona is where the race should be. 🤷🏼♀️
Great content as always!
Congrats on your finish!!! Way to bring the best out of yourself and push through the suffering during that run-that’s what our sport is all about! It was a pleasure meeting you in Vegas, I always look forward to your videos.
Thank you so much! That means a lot, it was great meeting you in Vegas too! Now that I did the hard course once, Im voting they find a flatter part to do the race 🤣
Honestly, honestly 😂 great video Travis. Nice to see you competing out there too. Your channel brings to life this sport and the journey of the pro-athletes.
Thank yoy
Hey Travis, so great meeting you on Hawaii! Great recap once again. BEST, Folkert
This is what separates Ironman from road-racing. You can innovate on the fly.
But in road-racing [UCI] you can innovate, yes, but your innovation has to be made publicly available, even BEFORE the event!
I think a combination of BOTH things should be installed in Ironman.
We deserve it!
Thank you for speaking out in favor of Kona! :)
Great reporting as always
Thanks Kevin!!
I really hope triathlon stays in Kona, and I think Ironman as an organisation simply has to do more for the community there to make it so that they actually embrace having the event there, if that’s actually possible.
You’ve also convinced me about the drafting. I really hated seeing it during the event, and was salty that Lange could conserve his energy while Laidlow, Ditlev, and Blummenfelt (basically anyone trying to make a break for the win) all blew up. But if it was made to be 20m it could make for some really stale racing, which is the biggest problem with T100.
But I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Nothing would make triathlon more exciting than getting rid of power meters. It’s the only thing that would shake up the boringness of triathlon pack dynamics. We need to see more people taking a chance and blowing up. It’s the same thing that makes the of track athletics and Olympic swimming exciting - athletes taking a chance at glory.
Which is why I’ll always applaud Laidlow for what he did in Kona. He shook things up and took a chance, and things would have turned out very differently if he had just been patient enough to wait for Ditlev. That was his one mistake.
Thanks for the awesome comment! Power meters off would be SO interesting! - Even more interesting though if WE had the data - and they didn't 😅
12:20- the equivalent of most of those customised parts can be acquired at a reasonable price from Tri-rig - which make them to be super adjustable. The 3-D printed versions of this exotica put the price up by an order of magnitude and any further gains would be super marginal and largely dependent on the objective results of aero testing - windtunnels, velodromes and ‘real world’ road testing. Magnus and Sam’s team probably do spend close to $100K on the combination of parts and testing. However, great ‘bang for buck’ could be obtained for about 1/10th of that cost: still expensive, but a $10K outlay will get a pro within a few watts of what Magnus can achieve and hence well and truly still in the game.
Jelle was not offered one because there's apparently a requirement to race at least 2 times before the final
Great video as always!! 😊
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video!!!
Vegas was brutal but awesome also can’t wait for next year
100% !! I enjoyed the downhills at least haha
it is not a surprise AG are doing those things .... plus what about the consumption of EPO?
22:00 - I think it is disgraceful that the PTO does not make all of the regular races in the Ironman Pro Series ‘Platinum’ as well, given the $2.1 million bonus pool. Simply giving a single 5% weighting to the athelete’s best result but keeping all of the races at the Gold Tier isn’t good enough. The rankings are too weighted in favour of T-100 series athletes as it is.
Absolutely!
So much to talk about in this episode!
- TFoley was my dark horse in Kona. I think too many people are missing the fact that he definitely over biked and/or under fueled and would have likely blown up just like Sam. Yes it was a mistake coming into T2... but it was the exact type of mistake when you've bonked.
- Any time I see LCB content I always think about the insane amount of sponsor assistance and advantage she has over most pro's, it's wild. However, outside or race day, I say "go for it" take all the advantages you're afforded. On race day though, I think it needs to be a fair race and any equipment should be stuff that anyone can obtain. All the new bike fairings or whatever people are adding this year is BS and shouldn't be allowed.
- I raced Vegas as well and 100% the T100 puts on an amazing race experience, far and away better than anything I've ever experienced. The price was close to half of a 70.3 and the swag was better, the race was better, and the whole weekend was just unbelievable. Like walking down the street and saying " oh there's Taylor Knibb hanging out" , " there's Flora Duffy" like what world am I living in right now! I literally have a picture hugging Paula Findlay when I crossed the finish line 🥰
- Dubai T100 confuses me... they say 10-12k participants but they only opened registration like 3 weeks ago? I very curious to see how it actually goes.
Awesome comment!
I love that point especially on how it should be at least equipment "anyone can obtain."
Wish I saw you there in Vegas - next time!! Love that you got to hug Paula!!
Dubai will reveal itself on the broadcast how big it actually is, I think!
On the T100 UA-cam channel they did a walk and talk with Martin and Jelle after the Vegas race. In it they talked about the rules for grand final wild cards. They said you had to do two races to qualify and since Jelle only did one he doesn’t qualify.
Ah interesting! I didn't know that. Thanks for the info!! So strange they didn't make that info more clear or easy to find 😅
Incredible day. It’s a shame that we have to wait another 2 years for this current group of men on this course.
We need a 20m draft on the bike in Kona. There's too much of an advantage at 12m. If you compare Leon Chevalier power meter to those in the pack, I'm sure his watts would be much higher. I'd be curious to know what Patrick Lange's power was on the bike. If he would have biked in the front all by himself like Sam Laidlow, I'm sure his run time would be much longer. He had the perfect day and played by the rules.
Nobody is beating Hayden Wilde at 70.3 world's, i reckon that's helped with the decision for quite a few pros to stay home
Exactly what I was thinking! 😉 I really hope its a good turn out though, I want to see Hayden put some top pro's on notice.
Haha, I think you might be right 😬
Double check, I am pretty sure that Ashley Gentle had her 11th win at Noosa.
11 total. 10 in a row.
At IM Lake Placid, any woman who just finished the race was offered a slot to Nice. One day. One race. Kona. My wife and I spectated in Kona this year, illness kept me from doing my 30th Kona, and she said that something was wrong, no women. RE: Locals. Apparently rude behavior was rampant enough to turn many locals against the event, which was not an issue with the women last year!
5k for a one piece arm rest/fairing is legal. 5 cents of duct tape to seal the space between arm rests is illegal. Way to go IM. And WHAT did they DQ Magnus' bike for????
20m draft zone and use USAT rules which allow a passing rider to slot in, the passed rider having to back away. And PLEASE get professional caliber commentators for the live coverage!
Hey, Travis. Today I got a slot for Challenge Roth 😂🎉😅😅😅😅😅
Did you register for the draw? If so, how many tickets did you buy? Thanks!
That's fantastic!!! Ahhh I am so happy for you!
@@mtbwill4123 yes, I registered for the draw and I bought one ticket. Thinking that if it's destined then..
Ben Reszel doesn't coach Hayden Wilde. See Fitter Radio Episode 590 where this is confirmed with Hayden's actual coach Craig Kirkwood. But Ben does coach another New Zealander, Braden Currie.
Thank you for this correction. I believe he has just assisted/advised before? instagram.com/p/CuvJ8Dtt8B4/?img_index=1
17:37 - isnt there a distinction between ‘wildcard’ and ‘roll down’ selections? I thought the whole purpose of ‘wildcards’ was to allow the PTO to use its discretion to pick athletes who might ‘spice things up’ or were perceived to be worthy, even though they didnt have the rankings due to racing ITU or coming back from injury etc. This year the PTO have filled the fields typically via rolling down the rankings list, and fair enough, but not selecting Gelle based on some ‘objective criteria’ seems stupid. Just imagine how stupid the PTO would look if any of the Olympic Games medalists said that they would like a start at the PTO Grand Final only to be rebuffed by some BS ‘criteria’. The likes of Jelle (now he has actually won a PTO T-100 race), Alex, Heydon and Leo are EXACTLY what must have been in mind when considering ‘wildcard’ selections (and indeed the ‘wildcard’ picks for contracts handed out to Alistair, Javier, Martin and Max at the beginning of the year illustrates that point perfectly. Stupid stuff from the PTO.
The Wild card rules were emailed to athletes so not publicly available but he didn’t race enough T100 races to “qualify”
@jordanblanco thanks Jordan! Interesting they left us out of it 🧐
I think the claim that not all pros can access aero development is a bit of a red herring. With a power meter, a speed sensor, patience and some smarts, you can get at least 90% of the way there with field testing and the Chung protocol. Apps like Golden Cheetah make it even easier. Will having an expert on hand make it easier? For sure. Is it necessary to get good results? Nope.
Good results - I agree, however, great, Ironman World Championship winning results... I think you need every last % these days... ;)
Travis I completely agree with you. The PTO rankings are bs.
A full Ironman race is in a completely different league then a T100 race. A top Ironman athlete being compared to a short course athlete is absurd.
Who is the best overall triathlete in the world right now? I guarantee you it is not MVR! T100 sure you might have a case at the moment but wait until the rest of the super fast short course guys start doing T100. Next year not being an Olympic year is going to drastically change the T100. We have already seen it starting to happen. A guy like Sam Long or Patrick or Laura Phillip or any other long distance top athlete will not stand a chance. I believe that the majority of full Ironman distance athletes will gravitate to the Ironman Pro Series. There may be some exceptions though as Sam Laidlow, Magnus, Kat Mathews and LCB have shown that they can excel at both. But for how long. The two distances are two different animals.
Ironman Hawaii and a PTO Event should not be in the same tier. IMWC, Ironman Hawaii and Nice, should be the highest tier possible. PTO races can stay in the diamond tier. They are not even close to being the same. Money has no business determining the tier at that level.
That is a huge flaw and bias.
Ironman Hawaii is the gold standard that all other races are compared to. Nothing else even Nice is close. Put Hawaii at 100 and Nice at 95
I love your passion for this too. You're hired for my rankings committee! 👏
@@thedailytriThanks. I am very passionate about triathlon and would love to talk more about it.
Travis I just looked at your rankings and have the following comments.
T100 is not long course. It should be moved to short course.
70.3 should be the shortest race to be considered long course.
If you disagree with this then consider changing your tiers.
Tier 1. Ironman Hawaii and Nice with Ironman Hawaii being 100 and all other races lower. ie Nice = 95
Tier 2. IMWC 70.3, IM Pro Series full IM, Roth, and PTO Grand Finally
Tier 3. PTO T100 races and IM Pro Series 70.3
Thanks for the comment! I'll think on those ideas for sure - my tiers are definitely not set in concrete!
@ I think we are on the same page. Thanks for reading and responding. Keep up the good work. Love your videos and the website. You are becoming the gold standard.
Why do the ironman age group results show Timmo Jeret as winning the age group race? Miao hao finished 3 mins behind him according to the ironman app.
He won the overall AG, Miao was first in his age group. Timmo was first for the 30-34 AG.
@conradleesanders4321 not according to the ironman app. It's the opposite on there
@conradleesanders4321 Jeret finished 8:27 not 8:30 like Miao
@@BobTheCratchit no, it’s like I said, timmo won the overall AG and 30-34, Miao just won his AG.
@conradleesanders4321 so why did he say that Miao won the AG?
I like those "fairings"on the bars, don't kill innovation like the UCI does. As long as its safe, lets go..
Chinese winner out of nowhere, 35/39 AG is interesting!!
Those hyper competitive foreign types are always the funny…..Like really, doping to win an age group competition is crazy. Once a cheater always a cheater.
When you need a $10k bike plus $8k of equipment to even be relevant, no, nothing is fair in triathlon anymore. It's an elitist sport.
I agree, the season is too long. I disagree, from the way he looked, I was not sure Sam Laidlow would make it another 100 yards out of T2- just pushed it too hard early in the race in the heat & humidity of Kona, easy to do. Hundreds have done the same.
That's fair! I just saw him run by and hype up the crowds and thought he wouldn't be doing that before a blow-up - but maybe he knew it was coming, and thought I'd better enjoy the moment 😅
If you have ever been to race or spectate at Kona, you realize it’s a very small town that is simply overwhelmed for1 week a year, brings in millions into the local economy, but for the locals it’s a pain in the ass, and most don’t appreciate how much of a financial loss to the community if Ironman leaves. no way they are ever going to allow men and women on separate days, the mayor was almost voted out of office after that cluster.
That's what I thought - although, I am hearing that ALL options are being considered at this point
My opinion is if a pro can’t have all the gear, but regardless have a great race with a modest setup the sponsors will notice…
I like it!
Why do you want to even have any draft effect??? This is not ITU racing.
Good point, but then it begs the question, is Ironman racing supposed to be a pure time trialing event? Do we then do drafting on the swim as well? Of course not, and I don’t know the answer, but maybe drafting to some degree is a part of racing?
There is a lot of drafting in world tour cycling, and yet that is super exciting, but then again they are working in teams, which makes for completely different dynamics.
I personally feel there was too much benefit from drafting in Kona, otherwise that main chase pack wouldn’t have stuck together for literally the entire race. Maybe 20m would have made it harder to conserve energy and broken it up, which makes it more about the individuals effort, as it maybe should be. And to answer my own rhetorical question about drafting in swimming, it’s obviously a lot more advantageous in cycling since there is so much benefit even at 12m! Whereas in swimming, if you lose the feet your pretty much done, as is what happened to Ditlev when he got dropped from the lead pack after getting dunked at one of the buoys. He said himself it wild have been too much energy and not worth it to even consider closing the gap.
@@inntw4889 World tour cycling, are you you talking about the road stages or TT stages? They do draft on the TTs when they're approaching another rider, but other than that, they're riding their own races not wanting to slow down for anything. Triathlon should be the same with respect to the cycling leg.
I thinking making people wait two years before getting another shot at the island is causing more desperation to cheat smh. It’s one thing if you can qualify and get back to Kona the following year but to have to extend and wait that extra year got people acting crazy
This could certainly be true!
nice. thanks
About the advantage of some pros having more expensive cockpits and everything .... The really unfair point is to see age groupers competing with 2000usd bikes against 15000usd bikes . Even more unfair is the amount of draft on those races, for AG and pros as well .... pros should be 20m (this way probably Lange wouldn´t be able to run 2h37 ) , and allow fewer AG on the race and more officials and penalties
If there was a salary cap to an Ironman, do you think people will just stop trying to gain a mechanical advantage? Was Jordan cheating bc he got his own shoe?
@@yesitis1395 im not saying that we dont have to develop the sports ... it is part of the game to have a better gear .. So as long as I think is unfair, it is not forbidden.... what should be forbidden is drafting
Ahh soo sorry to hear that you weren't able to compete! And yes, each local told me it was the rude behavior of the athletes that was what they hated most - not following road signs etc.
Magnus' bike was a DQ for a rear mounted (something) I don't know for sure, but you can see it on his frame next to the derailleur!
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I don't get your comment about PTO ranking. The ranking is based on SOF, position and race time. If the same athletes show up for one PTO race and one IM race, they will have the same score.
Where is the biais?
Sam is objectively ranked higher than Patrick. He raced a lot more ultra stacked races and have therefore more score.
Thanks for the comment! I should have explained further:
The most important factor for me is that they are tiered scores as well (based on Prize money). PTO has Diamond level in all of their races - hence, they will always have the highest points. (100, 95, 90, 80, 70 is how it breaks down).
protriathletes.org/pto-world-ranking-system/#:~:text=How%20Do%20Athletes%20Score%20PTO,an%20athlete's%20Race%20Time%20Score.
Prize money should NEVER be a factor in points IMO. Especially for an exclusive series.
Also, the SOF is based on their own (tiered) rankings, which means it no longer is an objective number.
For example, Sam won London vs. Patrick won Texas - very stacked races, both of them... but Patrick gets ~ 6 points less. Sam won London and received the same points as Patrick winning the biggest race in triathlon (by far).
Don't get me wrong, I think it is a really good ranking system and very very close, but I think it needs some more tweaking, otherwise you will see it just become the T100 top 20 rankings + the rest. :)
Take a look at our rankings on the site and you can see how it can be vastly different standings if you tweak it just a little.
Please see my comment. PTO rankings are totally biased.
Travis...cut your hair bro!
😂 Now you've encouraged me to keep it growing even longer. We're going all the way!
Sorry but age group competition is a sh?t show with lots of PEDS and giant egos, and the budgets to spend tens of thousands each year.
I didn't really want to go too deep into it because I know it is a sad topic right now. If I get enough information about it - I think it could be a good video to make!