He Got Kicked Out The Gun Range For Not Having Sights On His Gun
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- Опубліковано 30 кві 2024
- After the range officer asks him if he has iron sights for his firearm, and he responds, confused and says NO, he gets instructed that in order to shoot, he has to have sights.
After getting kicked out of the gun range, he then commented, "Why yall be on nuts about havin sights…DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH YOUR OWN FIREARM"
He thinks shooting an AR pistol without sites is not a big deal.
Oh, but it is.
Not only is it a big deal, shooting without sights on an AR pistol is dangerous.
People don't realize how much AR pistols rise when you shoot them, especially when you're rapid firing.
By the 4th or 5th round, you went from shooting the target to shooting through the ceiling because you couldn't tell how much the gun was rising.
If you don't have sights, you're literally guessing where you're shooting. You think you're aiming at the target but you're actually aiming at the floor or the ceiling.
Now imagine doing this at an outdoor range. Not only will you miss the target, you'll end up sending rounds over the backstop into the public. That's why ranges don't let you shoot without sights on AR Pistols.
The ranges I go to, even if you have sites on your rifle, you have to pass a test before you can shoot on the long range because people will put sites on their rifle but they won't zero the rifle, which is almost as bad as not having sites at all.
Put sites on your guns and make sure your sites are zeroed; otherwise, you're just launching rounds that can travel up to 2.5 miles with no idea where they're going.
You don't want that on your conscious and you also don't want constant ringing in your ears because you did too much shooting with no hearing protection.
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Saw a sign at one of my local ranges about this. I literally asked one of the range officers if this happens enough to have a sign, his response was "all the time."
The front door says NO RAPID FIRE ...
Each lane has a sign that says NO RAPID FIRE ...
Every time i see the guys tell the customers before they walk in, NO RAPID FIRE ...
Sure enough after 5 minutes, some clown IS RAPID firing ...
One day i spent 3 hrs in the range and the guys had to scream over the loud speaker AND walk in and scream NO RAPID FIRE ...
Then you got the ones that show off to their GF or wifes when they rapid fire and end up hitting the line that holds the target and they have to shut the lanes down for repair ...
Out door range, guy next to me shot in my lane, ground 8 ft in front of us.
He had no clue why his firearm went in our lane so close to us.
His first time ,had no clue .😵💫
@@ACommenterOnUA-cam sport shooter here, how fast is rapid fire?
@@justsomeplantcells- think it depends on the range lmao, I've seen a range where you were allowed like a shot per 5 seconds or 9 seconds in that range
@@justsomeplantcells- Most say 1 round per second is the limit, but I only ever see them get after people who are doing 5+ rounds per second. In most cases, as long as you take enough time to get the firearm back on target between shots, you're fine.
If he can do whatever he wants with his firearm, they can do whatever they want with their range, and they chose to kick him out without sights.
Just shows the ignorance of people who like controlling others
Totally agree. Also, iron sights can be as simple as a spot welded dot on the gas block - it's just a point of reference.
@@kevintipton4738 Who is trying to control others? The range is controlling their property and business license. Do you have a problem with that?
@@cackles1005 I would rather have sights but like you said just a little thing can become a sight.
@@StevenRogers-hw9dj only a free person understands government sheep don’t
This same guy has videos of himself shooting randomly in the air. He doesn't at all care about safety.
Right. That's why the sights policy is stupid. Just have a policy against being dumb. If you can shoot the gun without sights, good. If not, you're kicked out.
Just because a gun has sights, doesn't mean they know how to use them or care to use them.
Such as, this guy.
Before I moved here they still remember finding a bullet in the one of the apartments that was fired from another apartment complex and it was fired in the air from a condo
@@m4rvinmartian
If you are using a firearm without sights, you're being dumb.
I'd bet a backgorund check says he's disqualified from posssessing a firearm....
Hes black too we can't win at all
Honestly, looking at the range, this is a Range USA. I used to work at one, and the range policy clearly states if there are no sights (iron or optic type) on the firearm, it is not allowed to be used in the range. Whether or not it's BS, that's the store policy, and fully in their right.
They also have a “you can’t clear malfunctions yourself” policy. So screw that range.
@@darklyripley6138
Then don’t go. Considering what I’ve seen I can understand that one as well.
@@madtabby66sounds like a range run by Liberals
@@losoway4505I've been a few times, they're about as good as indoor ranges get if you're chill with the rso.
I used to go to Range USA exclusively for years. The quality of each location completely depends on the RSO on staff. They also attract the most amount of idiots. They’re hit or miss.
At my local rifle range, when you check in, you are always asked "is your rifle zeroed?". If the answer is no, they will direct to a special lane where an RO will help you zero your rifle. They offer this service for free.
That’s awesome! I wish my local range offered that too!!
Mine doesn't do that but they give you 2 options tho, you here to shoot or you're here to sight your gun, they check your ammo and see what gun you have then good to go
@@tscoff Yeah, it's a great range, with a pistol and rifle range, action range (always busy on weekends, often with competitions) and a skeet and trap range. Richmond Rod and Gun Club in the SF Bay Area. These days you need to be a member to get in (or a member can bring in a guest).
I've seen an RO help a guy zero his rifle. It was pathetic. That particular RO thinks he's a marine DI. He was moving the rifle around while switching from looking down the bore to looking down the scope. That RO is probably responsible for all the holes in the beams preventing people from shooting over the berm.
That’s a sweet deal and makes total sense.
Ear protection on sideways, no sights and looks like a 40 round magazine... Darwin award incoming
Worse he has 2 ar pistol no optic. Shot it anyway and has a video of them mag dumping in the air
😂
That "Google countries with the lowest IQ" build. Twist rate is 13/60. Got that 76% single motherhood setup
wanna be thug, rapper/tough guy. Ganata gangsta lol
Look you can't have Hearing Protection hair just to save your hearing
Idk if Colion caught this but the genius in the video proceeded to upload a follow up video of him popping off a couple of rounds still with no sights after presumably getting kicked out of the indoor range, and then stuffing the loaded ar pistol into a backpack without putting the safety on
Sounds about right.
I saw the sleeve tattoo and the general demeanor of the fellow, everything about him screams "I'm a gangster."
There a link ti the video?
@@JohnShalamskas You spelled "punk" wrong. He doesn't even qualify as a "thug".
Sounds accurate
Next time you go to an indoor range….just look at the ceiling. You will quickly see why this is a good rule!
Forget the ceiling. I walked into my local range a few months ago. Someone had managed to put a round into the screen of the *target controller.* You know, that iPad-sized device located directly to your left when you're standing in the lane. How TF can someone be so incompetent?
haha at every indoor range I have ever been to I always have the "how the f..k did someone miss that badly" moment. I usually stand there for a bit trying to figure out how it was possible.
@@fleatactical7390when I took my mom to the range for the first time, she ended up shooting the little thin metal pole that holds the target up , not a single shot on target and some how hit a thin metal rod😅
Our range had multiple holes in the wall. I asked how someone could do that. The RO told me that the female police chief did it during their night shooting training. She did it multiple times.
Don't forget, all those idiots had sights.
"Do what you want with your own firearm" but doesn't understand that the range management also has the right to do what they want with their range?
There is A LOT this upstanding citizen does not understand.
Sure.. he can make nonsense rules, then people go to a different range and he can close his. Works nicely, there's a tiny little piece of libertarian in me it seems.
@@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU you must not have ever worked at a gun range... or looked at the walls, floor, and ceiling of an indoor range. People usually don't want their shit shot to hell and have to spend a bunch of money fixing their target tracks and motors.
@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU Find me a gun range that will let you shoot without sights
@@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU if you think this is a nonsense rule then you have the mental capacity of a 2nd grader
When I'm off range, my safety is my responsibility. When I'm at the range, everyone's safety is my responsibility.
Well said.
He’d probably still hit the roof with sights on lol
That's exactly what I was thinking and saying.
Probably lol
Those kind of people are allergic to accountability. In an apocalypse he'd hide a zombie bite from his group
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Damn, dude. You just gave home boy the "outbreak monkey" label.😅
In a zombie apocalypse he would get sparta kicked into the horde so the rest of the group can get away.
@ericbroussard7402 Not before proclaiming that everyone in group needs to worry about their own health and what he does with his health is his business. Much like his response to being told he needed gun sights
@riboflavinfolate3964 It does draw some parallels, but I wouldn't say I gave it that label lol.
He made the mistake of using the ATF's preferred configuration for an AR pistol.
Seems common among their culture. In fact, the only videos I ever seen of people shooting AR pistols unbraced, feature folks who belong to this demographic.
@@fleatactical7390Ahh the good ole subliminal racist comment 🤡
@@fleatactical7390I seen plenty of white folks do it at my range in Ohio. Ignorance of gun safety isn’t a color thing, I promise. With love and respect - A black gun owning veteran.
When it comes to the issue of what white people do vs what black people do. Is really silly. Because there are poor white people who do dumb things. As much as there are middle-class or rich black people who don't do dumb things. I know the topic is sensitive. Just that one group gets targeted. We as people do not always see the exceptions. Like a dog attack in the news. Alot of the time we end up thinking the dog was a working-class breed. When in reality the dog in question was a dumb Poodle.
Racism doesn’t hide in the comments
No sights? Just hold it sideways
😂🤣
One handed above your head while leaning back
🤭
Just Harness your inner Iwo Jima Marine
Isn’t that how you’re supposed to hold it?! That’s the way it came in the box!
“Chicago man shot in ankle, 7 innocent bystanders shot, 2 fatally” type
Exactly.
Precisely 😂😂
What about the shootings in texas?
@@Avg_Vetwhat about the constant shootings in California not covered by the media ?
@@jmemphisTX lmao you from Memphis and going to talk about another city or state.
Youre shooting straight. Straight through the roof.😂
Ever seen someone shooting a large target hung low and skipping rounds down rage off the floor?
@@stevegee218 not at a indoor range but I have at an outdoor range.
twitter hates straight, so theyll cancel that
Ik he doesn’t have sights or anything but… being a karen turns people away from the 2A community like let then have fun not everyone wants guns to prep some people are incapable of shooting someone else so sometimes its just a neat hobby for people to have fun
@@pablo4yu I'm literally making a joke. I'm being about the furthest thing from a Karen. I don't really care what the guy does but the point that he's going to be shooting through the roof is still true.
"Look mom, no sights!
...
Mom?"
Dude should have no trouble keeping that on paper at 7 yards even without sights, but I understand why the blanket rule exists, and why it has to apply to everyone. Gun ranges are not going to make an exception for you, no matter how good you think you are.
Should have no trouble but I guarantee he’s never actually tried hitting a target.
Giving no scope a whole new meaning!
He's probably adding the 360 part to his next range trip.
"Why yall nuts about 'Downrange?' DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH YOUR OWN FIREARM!"
My outdoor range wouldn't allow me to throw a hand grenade. Can you believe them???
Inconceivable!
Was it a grenade range?
tyrants
Did you try welding sights to it first?😂
@imgrandpasmokey I know sights wouldn't work because they kept falling off. That thing got red hot, kept blowing on it to cool it down.
Not to mention, their range, their rules. If he's allowed to do something stupid and someone is injured or killed, the range holds a level of liability and they'll be plastered all over the news.
I don't think the sights thing is as big of a deal as it's made out to be, from a safety standpoint(at *that* range), *but* those are the rules of that range and need to be followed.
@@InfernosReaper You don't think? You're as big a problem as he is. People have a hard enough time with sights that are properly aligned. Irresponsible acts such as this is just feeding anti-2A.
@@InfernosReaperit is a big deal, it also promotes the hood side of firearms
@@carterturk1420 Sure, in the mind snobs.
Is it better to shoot with sights? Yes. Is it *necessary* at very short ranges? No.
You don't believe the BS justifications I saw trying to demonize just the idea of not having sites on such short distance shooting, even though:
"their range, their rules" was all the justification needed to kick that dude out to begin with
@@InfernosReaper You're talking about point shooting. The idea of point shooting accurately with an AR pistol in that form factor is laughable. Sorry, but you're just as guilty of pedantry as the people you seem to be criticizing.
Rocking a rifle without sights IS FATHERLESS BEHAVIOR
Why because you can’t hit shit maybe he can. Or maybe he didn’t get them yet
@@kevintipton4738 Yep, you sound like a fatherless child!
@@kevintipton4738 fatherless man named Kevin dedicated. And for the record… I’ve smacked steel out to 600 meters with a cheap optic… i wish my dad taught me these things but he wasn’t a shooter
Everyone has a father. Some peoples fathers just knew their kids werent gonna be worth it
😂🤣😂
That guy is why the tiles always have holes.
It seems bizarre not to have sights, but if you need sights not to shoot the tiles, you are already suffering from some serious physical deficiencies.
Man, every time I go to the range wonder about how the ceiling got so many holes. Even the walls will look like Swiss cheese. These people are why so many ranges are very restrictive about what they allow.
@@riboflavinfolate3964there's a range near me that uses a certain lane for teaching newbies and that lane has the most holes in the tiles 😂
Folks like him, are the reason the rest of us suffer 😒. Smh
Ik he doesn’t have sights or anything but… being a karen turns people away from the 2A community like let then have fun not everyone wants guns to prep some people are incapable of shooting someone else so sometimes its just a neat hobby for people to have fun
@@pablo4yu
I guess being a smart, common-sense thinker makes one a "Karen" now. Okay ....
@@pablo4yu A firearm is not a toy. It is a dangerous tool. Whether people shoot as a hobby, or are preparing for the apocalypse, it doesn't change the nature of the device.
Some folks need to grow up.
@@fleatactical7390 fudd
@@pablo4yu Anything but Skippy. No one in the 2A community in any capacity (hunters, sport shooters, hobbyists, trainers or anyone else) wants your incompetence.
They literally just saved their gun range from Damages and possibly a life threatening event 😅
I witnessed this at an outdoor range. Dude was "sighting in" his AR and was getting frustrated because he couldn't hit the target at 25 yards. He kept trying to figure out what was wrong and played dumb and asked him what kind of sights were on the gun. He response was "What do you mean?" I told him the guy back in the office was a genius at fixing problems with sighting in guns and he should go see him before he wasted any more ammo. That worked like a charm. So that way the range officer got to tell him he was a moron and I didn't have to.
Will never go to a public range now. Don't feel like getting ND'd by a cheetah print Taurus
Yep
The original living definition of "Spray and Pray".
& Pay because that ammunition is $$$$
You can only spray and pray with full auto but with the price of ammo I don't see it happening much 😂
@@AprilsJessesGirl .556 and .223 are pretty cheap
Part of the problem is that so many AR platforms sell as a whole firearm without sights as a cost saving measure or with the assumption that the buyer will install their own sight method. To me, when selling "complete" AR platform, it should come with some kind of sights out of the box for this very reason.
To be fair to those companies a lot of people will simply swap out the existing sights for ones they like better.
@@Predator42ID which I understand, but then you get the guy like in the video who is obviously an inexperienced shooter that probably bought the cheapest ar that looked cool to him. Had it come with some kind of sights he may be inclined to attempt to use them.
@@DonaldWyman From the looks of the video I'm not sure he even knew how to use the firearm let alone sights.
I agree. If I'm paying $1,500-2000 for a firearm, it better dang well come with Irons, and any other optic I choose to also put on it. I may find out I don't like the optic and take it off. Now what? Oh. It came with Irons.. I'll put those on till I find a better optic
@@Predator42IDbut at least you would still have the irons for backup. What if find out you damaged your optic.. at least you have irons to slap on for the time being
Over in Iraq, I caught hell bc I would not authorize a convoy to leave the FOB bc the medics with them were rocking rifles with no sights.
How does that rifle leave an armory?
@batboy555 a Rouge bat boy is found.
Same way how that boat captain got that AR with the backwards scope. #professionals.😂@@batboy555
@@Matt-md5yt shhh. Im hiding from government scientists. Good thing there alot of caves in west virginia.
@@TheJbower76 he got E4 mafied.
Indoor ranges are basically an inexpensive studio for social media morons to post how a cheap AK can punch holes on paper at 5 yards! No thanks.
I like indoor ranges because you can easily move your target back and forth without anyone ever having to cease fire.
@@knowthetruth1492 Did you really say "easily move your target back and forth"?! I can easily sit on my couch and not do anything. Now if you want to train, find public land where you can design realistic drills and or join a club that has combat pits available for some serious training.
@@Duda4711 I’m talking about a really lazy day where you don’t want to recreate the Battle of Normandie. Of course having wide open land available for shooting without a damn 1 shot per minute rule is a more realistic experience.
Spent the money for a 60 round mag but didn't spend money for sights makes perfect sense
Probably one of those ATI pieces of s... that come with a 60 round magazine from the factory. Cheap as cheap can be.
Then why did he have m1903 rails instead of mlok or key mod
This dude and his guns are for the streets. 💯
Remember gentlemen; safety is sexy.
* Wears PT belt *
"Oh, my..."
@@Gottaculat ;)
Sights make it harder to hide in your pants.
So do the pic rails on 4 sides
The range i go has the same rule. I keep a set of iron sights that i use for testing firearms. Always have something.
Help me understand why one wouldn't want some kind of sighting system on their gun? It's the one thing that helps you know where your bullets going to go.
@@emmettpatterson3198 No idea. Doesn't make a lick of sense. You can get a set of irons for 40 bucks on Amazon and next day shipping. No reason to have nothing. Bigger question is how did he get on the range. My range looks at your firearm before they even check you in.
Shooting poorly is not inherently dangerous. Not having sights is not going to lead to people shooting other people at the range. It is just a policy invented by controlling personality types.
@@emmettpatterson3198 *I'm more concerned about someone NEEDING sights at the short distance a range is.*
I find it quite humorous people such as yourself, whom have obviously not shot enough in your life,
tell everyone how to do stuff, when most defensive ranges, you don't need sights.
I can alpha all day long at 15 yards no sights. Not even sighting.
@@ohsweetmystery
"Shooting poorly is not inherently dangerous"....
Now that's the most ignorant statement I've read today.
I admit that I am not normal when it comes to firearm use. If I stated my qualifications they would seem to be made up and I have been accused of "padding" my qualifications. Lets leave it at I am a 70 year old man who spent 15 years in the USMC until disabled and not allowed to re-enlist. From boot camp till discharge I maintained "expert" rifle and pistol status. When I went to BITs (Basic Infantry Training School), I familiarized with the Garand, BAR, the M-21, (M14-with Unertl 10X fixed), and qualified expert with basic M-14, Win Model 70 With same scope as the M-21. I famed with the Browning M-27, and the M-2.
I have, since discharged, fired a cloned USMC rifle course with an AR-10 style rifle, the M25(or XM25 for us marines, an upgrade to the M-21. Basically a match grade M-14 with more modern scope and scope mount) and the list goes on. I am an NRA qualified rifle, pistol and law-enforcement firearms instructor. I can list more but I have already lost more than half of the people who started reading this. My point is that I know a couple of things about shooting. Sights are not necessary to be able to handle a firearm, including a rifle. Early firearms did not even have twists (lands and groves) in them much less sights. Yet they were still used. I have hit a man sized target at 200 yards with an Model 70 with no sights ( I had taken the scope off) the basic rifle had no sights. Many people shoot shotguns with only a front "bead." I have hit an NRA full size B-27 target at 100 yards using A Rem 870 without sights. In close combat training I routinely used the point and shoot method.
When using a handgun with rifle caliber chamberings, it is problematic to start with. For a neophyte shooter to attempt this activity with no sights is beyond reason. However, I could handle that AR-pistol one handed with no sights and score a 400 on a USMC pistol qualification range. What I am saying is that shooting does not require sights. It requires training and safety monitoring/coaching during training when the shooter begins his journey in the shooting hobby/sport. Every shooter and that shooter's skills are different.
I believe in personal responsibility. That includes the ranges responsibility to their customers. If the range feels it is more safe to require all customer shooters to have sights on their firearms, then that is their rights on private property. Shooters without sights will just need to find a range that allows the training that the shooter requires.
Pretty much all of paragraph 3
Semper Fi brother, I'm a 79 year old Marine Sgt. When I was about 10 years old, my grandfather cut the sights off of my Daisy air rifle and then proceeded to teach me how to really shoot. Soon thereafter I was hitting quarter sized metal slugs that he was tossing into the air for me. At age 18 at Parris Island, I shot qualification with the M14 rifle with sites and was 2nd highest score of the company. A boy from West Virginia beat me by one point. If you know your firearm, really know it, you don't need sights. But few shooters ever approach that level of expertise. I now shoot my AR15 with optics, my 9mm with iron sights, but my S&W j-frame 38, well that basically has a groove down the top of the frame that isn't worth a damn for aiming. For that one, I point it where it needs to be and
hit my target,
I concur with your take on "sightless" (a misnomer) shooting". Anyone that is relying. on a sight to know the muzzle position of a gun during firing rapid fire maybe should get some time w/ a single shot or a gun w/ less recoil.
The amount of distain and virtue signaling on the "sightless" was so Biden.
But Buckwheat in video is not any of you gentlemen, does not have your level of experience or ability, cannot be as safe as you are, will be tremendously more of an accidental threat to other shooters than you could ever be. So Buckwheat doesn't need to be at the range if he can't abide by the rules.
Reddit tier.
We all know why he is shooting a stock-less, sight-less AR pistol with an extended mag...and its the same sad story every freakin time, so much so I don't even need to write it and you know what I mean.
No. I don't know what you mean.
@@sonofbr Gang culture, man, gang culture.
At least he’s at the range trying to practice, lol most thugs go straight from the purchase to a gun fight and never consider range time lol
He knows what you mean
@@BeardOperator If you look at sites like HeyJackass and see which Chicago neighborhoods have the highest (currently Grand Crossing) and lowest (currently Humboldt Park) KIA/WIA ratios it's pretty interesting. You see where they spray and pray and where they go for center mass and headshots.
Yup! I have worked in a Indoor Gun Range, and "Yes" you will see some "Dumb as Shit" stuff happening 😂😂😂😂
I don't even work for a gun range and already knew that was happening everywhere in certain fields where people wonder where I get all these "war stories" on shenanigans. It's like we live in an era where we can be all like "I don't know how yous done it but yous done it!" Lol
Last time I was at an indoor range I started feeling a slight stinging sensation on lower leg; not enough to make me stop what I was doing, but enough to notice. Since I was wearing shorts all I could conclude is that the goofballs in the stall next to me were literally shooting at the cement floor, and the stinging was caused by small cement fragments hitting my leg.
"Dumb as shit" doesn't even begin to describe some of the test tube babies that find their way into gun ranges.😐
If I had a dollar for everytime I got flagged by customers taking photos, or passing loaded guns from booth to booth. My Ol'school competition days weren't so safe either, 😂😂😂. Just because you call yourself a "Competition Shooter" don't mean SQUAT, when it comes to Range Rules!
@@riboflavinfolate3964 I see those types at work and they sound like they got a huge history of education when they are questioned but yet they call someone with experience to clean up their messes.
Never had a gun range problem I just have problems people who like to create problems. Which I now have to travel top florida down to clean up so I can be able to even purchase a gun.
Everyone remember what their plan was with red flags laws the entire guilty till proven innocent. Got proven innocent only to get a letter years later telling me that they taking that right again over a report they got little to no details in claiming it was a report in florida on a day I wasnt even there.
So instead of them keeping documents they making up every excuse in the book "oh we dont have past tense stuff we shred that" basically sounds like someone down there made a false complaint, no court anything and just decided "just send a letter that he can dispute where doesnt reside and tell him he has pay to fix it or else we take things from him"
Add insult to injury just repeating the same thing. Sounds like comcast customer service as if they been trained to answer the phone like a robot. "oh we got to contact florida law enforcement but we cant give you a date and they have no number but they are called florida law enforcement."
And when I got the manger when I heard his voice something tell me that guy got the job via that diversity thing. Sounds like that parody version of link that be smooching on the other link.
I've seen too many holes in indoor range roofs. I can really understand that rule.
and yet.. .all those holes came from people WITH sights, since they would be kicked off the range if they didnt...
Roofs are bad. Holes in the stalls on the left and right........ GTFO.
@@jormungand72 You do realize not every range checks every gun you bring on to said range?
This happened to me as well. Gentleman was shooting an AR-10 flattop (308), he was hitting timbers out side of his lane, too close to our lane and was only 3 lanes to our right in the prone. I mostly noticed him before hand, because he was cutting in front of the firing line to come and go from the range, while it was hot! I had to yell ceasfire, twice. Thank you to, AGFC Dr. James E. Moore Jr. Camp Robinson Firing Range staff. They were way more Professional than I could have mustered at the time. It was all I could do to go to the Professional's, instead of tell him how bad of idea it was to operate a bare riffle and cross behind and infront of our left flank where the outer fence ended and the covered building began. If i'd had plans on going to the range while on the road trip, I'd have had a back up set of iron sights I could have loaned him in exchange for not crossing infront of the firing line. Didn't bring my all my kit, just the goodies.
This happened at a Range USA shooting indoor range. I have seen people literally shoot at the ceiling lol
Little rap kids with guns are terrifying.
This is why fathers or good father figures are necessary.
THANKS Mr. Colion! You are Helping to Further Our Knowledge base. Cheers!
Even in the days of muskets they had sights!!!
If you’re taking your firearm around other people at a public range, it is your responsibility to be safe!!!!! And not having sights is far from safe!!!!!
Don’t be a “GunHole”!!!!
What do you plan to do if your gun sights fail?
Dude he is clearly shooting down range. It's not like he has a full auto AR pistol where the gun is going to rotate as a result of recoil. This is all snobbery.
@@DaveElectric uhh full auto ars don't rotate from sustained fire much less recoil lmao😂😂
@KTMsoldier1988 you stop shooting and fix it. Or have a co-witness or backup sight.
@@DavidSmith_W6DPS your going to do those things in an emergency? No i think I'll learn how to aim using the muzzle as a reference point. I mean how did people shoot long bows without sights. They learned reference points which is the same as aiming.
I'm guessing they don't let you take a shotgun on their range, either
The one I go to does but they only allow slugs to be fired. No 00-00 or bird shot cause the spread can damage the walls, floor, ceiling and electricals.
well for your obviously untrained info, most if not all shotguns have ateast a front bead sight at a minimum!
@@AylisCrescent That's kinda weird because stray bullets can do that anyway and deal a lot of more damage on impact. That rule should exist, just not for *that* reason. It's more stuff that could ricochet and potentially hurt someone, even if very unlikely.
@@InfernosReaper I agree about the stray bullets and the potential from ricochets. I think they're mostly worried about shot spreading and breaking the bay lighting and the target rails.
I hear ya, especially on the longer range stuff. Range I go to has 450 yard targets for public, and if you do RSO training/volunteering like I and many others have, we also have a 1,000 yard range.
While doing my duty days to keep my RSO privileges, I've seen some weird shit. One of the more tame instances was a guy getting frustrated that the ballistic chart he got online wasn't right, despite having same ammo make/model, same barrel length and twist rate, as well as same optic. I asked him if when setting up his rifle if he also took bore axis height offset into account. He was all, "Bore what-now?"
I get it, man, you don't know what you don't know, and what you know is only as good as the information you're getting.
He was a tad embarrassed, but we got his rifle shooting consistently, and made his own holdover cheat sheet to stick in the lens cap. I reminded him that cheat sheet isn't an end all be all, because changing ammo type/brand, as well as ambient temperature, elevation/barometric pressure, humidity, and wind patterns will change point of impact over longer ranges, but it should be a decent table to get him near enough to his target to hit on the second shot and recalibrate for that time and place.
When I see a comment saying you shouldn't have to have some method of consistently aiming your firearm, I just think maybe you aren't ready to be a firearm owner/user yet, like a 2-year-old.
Our local outdoor RSOs ask every time ‘Do you have sights? Are they zeroed?’
Not having sights is wild. The owner saying he doesn’t need sights is crazy.
God why are they like this
Daddy wasn't there
“iron sights?” lmaoooo
What do you mean by..”they”
d.n.a.
Double helix
I start rifles around 25 yards. All my pistols are naked except for supplied sights.
If i see a naked rail, i see a vacant mind.
Thanks for covering this, my man.
Ive seen this several times at ranges. Dudes hit the roof more than their target.
Damn that's pretty bad
Have you ever shot a gun without sights?
@@MrOnay-px1jx no lmao and you shouldn't do that anyway
@@MrOnay-px1jx you aim with barrel and pray for the best. (the target fell off from the hanger)
@@OutdoorsPNW it's really not that bad, I understand not wanting it at your range but if you know what you're doing it's pretty benign
@@MrOnay-px1jx Yes, and it went fine. No carnage, no craziness, no injuries, no shots missed the target.
Always like watching your channel, Colion. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to the next video!
I remember one time a customer came in to the range I work at, we have a sights policy for all rifles. He shows me his rifle and I see that he has an optic and a front sight on it, no rear sight. So we let him onto the range. A short while later, I have to go have a chat with him. This dude shot up our target carrier, when I inspected his rifle I found he had removed the optic from it. I asked and he told me that he, "removed the sight so he could shoot [his] gun". He clearly saw sparks flying and for some reason thought nothing of it. We only asked him to reinstall the optic, rather than kick him off (even though we probably should have), and he shot just fine after that. Sights/optics are an essential component to any firearm and no firearm should be allowed on a range without them. Trying to shoot a firearm without sights is like trying to drive a car without a steering wheel - not that it can't be done, but it's gonna be a whole lot harder to do it.
Dude came into our shop the other day looking for iron sights. Said he went to a range and they shut him down from shooting until he got sites on it. Long range shoot at one of the ranges, long range, you have to qualify at different yardages before going to the 1000 yard range. 5 shots inside a five inch target.
Dude, one time at an indoor gun range, a guy had a front sight but no rear. He was shooting the ceiling. Definitely did not feel safe
Man I'm sooooo happy you said something about this crazy stuff
Great points, agree completely🤜🤛
My range inspects every weapon that gets brought in. If you don't have functional sights, you're not shooting. I understand the frustration because even some very expensive platforms don't come with irons, but it's a basic safety issue.
It's not quite as unsafe as it's made out to be, *but* the rules are the rules and have to followed. People shoot sightless shotguns without issue and the recoil on those is just as bad, if not worse.
That said, my range also inspects for safety and rules compliance before people get to their lanes. If it's not acceptable, you don't get to use it. If it doesn't get inspected, you don't get to use it.
Any indoor range should be doing that, *especially* if they have particular rules like the sights thing
Perhaps. Sometimes when I build a new gun I don't put sights on it until I've verified it cycles. 25 yards or less and taking your time to make sure it goes into the berm....you are fine. So lets pretend this kiddo brought his unzeroed irons with him to this range. He is in the same situation as looking down the rail. In the end though....the RSO can kick you out for any reason at any time. I don't blame them for doing this. Holding an AR-15 pistol like a pistol while clearly being new to it....OUT.
The range has rules and the decent ones do try to help people adhere to them
As for this dufus, it was like 10ft, going off the distance lines. I think he *could* have been fine *if* he actually know what the hell he was doing.
Have bought a few guns that came without sights. They didn't go to the range until they had sights or an optic. The club I belong to is always harping on the possibility of being shutdown, because "We are only one round off the range from being shutdown"
Colion love everything you're doing and have done. Keep the videos coming bro
Bought a rifle a few years back from a guy without sights. Stopped on the way home to function test it. RSO asked what I was up to. Told him I would put a target at 5 yards and run 20 rounds through it. He watched my first couple shots, then moved along.
Because your woke fanboy
Legit good reason
15ft?! That even further than this dufus is shooting his gun? His target looks about 10ft out....
I assume no one was hurt and you didn't penetrate the walls or ceiling, right?
If he ain't even put sights on it, he hasn't lubricated it. He hasn't been shown any safety. He's done nothing to prepare.
I've seen dudes like that before who never lubricate the internals, you ever seen brake dust on the wheel of a car? I've seen a few guns that look like that on the inside from the metal dust 😂
I lubricate my AK with silty clay soil.
Thanks for the info.
TY for the PSA
What is wrong with our culture these days when people try to give someone good advice they get defensive about it?
What you see in this video are two different and conflicting cultures colliding. There is no "our" in this situation.
@MrSnivvel explain. Because he's an American just like you, right?
@@The10thdrago He's not, hence the difference in cultures.
@MrSnivvel He is, just green around the ears. Some training, and he'll be hitting the target like the rest of us.
@@The10thdrago lol Just because someone is under the same government's jurisdiction doesn't make him anything like myself.
The last thing this world needs is more of his kind having more training to hit their target...
Every range I know of will charge you for hitting anything but the target. Hit the carrier $$$, hit the roof $$$, hit the wall $$$.
People never cease to amaze me. Why even bother going to the range to practice your shooting skills if you’re literally not even aiming at what you’re shooting at.
Just one of the many reasons why I hate public ranges. And people for that matter
Someone that has been around guns all there life and has had extensive training would probably be just fine.
There's absolutely nothing about the guys in the video that gives the "been around guns all there life and has had extensive training" kind of vibes.
This kind of guarantee should concern only one's self.
If you come to the range with no sights then gtfo
After all my years, I'm still amazed that we have to have these discussions
Great job. Thank you 😊
Remember my first shot the lady on the range told me “ sir you are shooting on the roof “ and I do have signs 😂
Remember the ATF was or is adding points for having sights on an AR pistol.
This is why some people don't have sights on their AR pistol and honestly out of all the reasons to not have sights on an AR pistol, this is the best reason to not have them.
Stupid point system.
Except that form was thrown out. Way before the final rule was posted and then over ruled in court.
Forgive my ignorance, what point system?
@@cbdy1358 Felony bingo. It was a point system in some proposed ATF rule change that if you got enough "points," your gun was an NFA item now.
Honestly
ATF Never Cared about Public Safety Before
Believable
You are more simple than your gun. Fascinating.
At least he had two hands on it, not in one and tilted to the side saying “break yo self foooo!”
Around 8 secs in video he dropped his left hand….gun started shake and his left hand went back up.
I’ve seen so many people try and do this from working at range USA from 2016-19. But I’ve also seen so many thousands of wall, floor, and ceiling strikes.
I've seen plenty of idiots on the range, so I'm fine with them requiring sights. I don't want to be in the next lane and be on someone's you tube video
WORLDSTAR!!!
It’s like driving without a steering wheel
There was a time when you had to pay extra for a steering wheel.
This is why I go to my gun range during odd hours.
One of the few times I went to a real range I was booted out because my gun didnt have iron sights......it was a flintlock blunderbuss. I asked " really? " and i was told no exceptions, so I packed up my stuff and left.
More Ghetto Blasters😂😂😂
Sights aren't necessary if you keep your eyes closed while shooting.
wow, you ate too many crayons as kid didnt you!?!
Very good, Cold Leon, thanks.
Though I'm not a gun person and never really have been, I come to this channel and a few others to listen, learn, and look around to see who is FOS and who isn't.
This channel is a great and realistic source of what is true and what is bullshit.
I applaud your efforts. There's no need to say more. Have a wonderful day ❤
You know, I fully expected this video to be you explaining why no one can tell you what to do with your gun. I compliment you for the maturity of your argument
I definitely expected him to say what he said - big 2A advocates are BIG on safety.
Ik he doesn’t have sights or anything but… being a karen turns people away from the 2A community like let then have fun not everyone wants guns to prep some people are incapable of shooting someone else so sometimes its just a neat hobby for people to have fun
@@zzevonplantsafety karens.
Not when it wrecks the range and diminish the enjoyment and safety of others.
You don't see many shotguns with sights except for "tactical" ones and only in the last 20 years. If people can look down the barrel of a shotgun and shoot safely, they can do the same with a nice, flat picatinny rail. And if the muzzle goes up, that rail will obscure the target, so Colion's reasoning doesn't hold up.
Now why you'd want no sights on a non-shotgun is beyond me, and you'd still be a bad shot, but it's not inherently unsafe any more than sightless shotguns are.
Even with sights this going over the berm
When I took my AR to the range the first thing they asked was was it sighted in. I bore sighted it to my optic a week before going, so I said yes but it might need a little tweaking, they said just take it slow until you are sure it is on target. I get it is your weapon do what you want, but there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between aesthetics and a part of the weapon that makes it reliable and safe
Thank you man.
You should not shoot any gun without sights, that individual probably knows nothing about guns. He probably just sees people on tv shooting gangbanger style and hitting their targets, that is not real life.
What are you going to do in a situation where your sights fail? Throw your hands up and surrender?
@@KTMsoldier1988 my self defense guns all have suppressor height iron sights that could see with red dots and I have multiple guns I could use.
@@KTMsoldier1988 Shooting for survival and shooting for recreation are two very different things.
The reason a gun needs sights to begin with is recoil and you want to make sure you know where your barrel is hitting. For people saying oh I can do whatever I want with my gun that is how accidents happen whether it is hitting someone you don't intended to or blowing up your gun. Even a shotgun has some form of iron sights
not all shotguns have sights, many have nothing more than a bead at the end of the barrel, aiming is accomplished by sighting along the barrel itself, the end bead aids in windage and elevation adjustment but at typical ranges no such adjustment is necessary. For the distance he was shooting, sighting along the pic-rail, assuming it is properly installed, functions similarly if not better as the crown of each lift aids his alignment better than a bare barrel does, i.e. the pic-rail is his sight.
I do what I want. Having said that, I have sights on my guns. And, having sights on a gun with a bump stock is silly. The bullets just fly. 😂
What do you plan to do when your sights fail....you drop a gun and snap your fixed sights off?
@@KTMsoldier1988 You can do this thing called zeroing your gun the fact your name has soldier it it but you don't think of zeroing a gun is concerning.
@@Chamdar17 Fair point though this is assuming his gun is assembled properly
Common sense you would think. But really the main reason you should go to the range is to gain knowledge about your weapons. Not just which end the rounds come out but so much more. Thanks for sharing Colin👍
I've been chuckled at for adjusting sights on tactical shotguns. "It's a shotgun!" Yeah, and I still want it to center that pattern where I aim it.
Damn, if your AR is recoiling so much that you are shooting through the celing, something is seriously wrong.
There's a ranged by me where they are loose about their range. I refuse to go there because I get flagged every time by idiots with guns
It aint the recoil, its the inability to control it.
@@ScarriorIII There IS no real recoil from a 5.56 AR. I have several and my 8 year old grandson can shoot them with no trouble.
@@MThrow 1. That's an AR in pistol format. 2. There are other calibers, as you well may know. .300 blk can be challenging in that format.
@@rucker69 Lol, .300 blk is almost as soft. Now if it was something like .458 SOCOM or bigger I could see a problem.
That's a range formally called "shoot point blank" now named range USA it's in their rules and regs I worked there before their name change back in 2021 the north richlands hills location off loop 820. You HAVE to have sights to shoot and it's posted all over the store front and you are told and asked before entering the range. I had the pleasure of being the only tool savvy employee so at least 3 times in a given work day I'd hear over the comms " lane closed line shot". It was very common. Or watching disgruntled people leave the store bc they didn't have sights and didn't Wana buy irons we sold.
Were they reasonably priced, ie competitive to Amazon, or $50+?
@@m4rvinmartian reasonably priced.
Great info.
I can definitely see the benefit of training without sights but not in an indoor range. Never know if you drop your firearm and break your sights off its always a good idea to practice having solid form and using the muzzle of the firearm as a reference point for aiming.
That's not what this kid was doing and you know it.
@@DDadams0 that may be so but my point still stands that it's beneficial to train with and without sights!
@KTMsoldier1988 Hard disagree. If you actually shoot often enough you'll naturally be able to aim without the irons and hit things close enough.
You don't need to "train without sights" for this though.
Stop defending these kinds of "people" like this one in the clip.
@@DDadams0 At those ranges, it's really *not* the safety hazard some of y'all are making it out to be, though.
Instead of exaggerating the safety situation, why don't we focus on what *really* matters here: This dude was not following the range rules.