Canon R6 vs R7 | Which one is best for wildlife and nature photography?
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- Should I buy the Canon R6 or Canon R7 mirrorless camera?
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If you're wondering: Which mirrorless camera should I buy for wildlife photography - the Canon R6 or the Canon R7 - this video is for you! Rather than comparing their similarities, I look at four key aspects where the Canon R6 and R7 differ a lot, namely: 1) Price, 2) the Sensor, 3) Low Light capabilities and 4) Frame Rates.
First of all, at $2500 US, the Canon R6 is substantially more expensive than the Canon R7, which retails for approximately $1500 US. So, if you don't have a massive budget, you might be forced into considering the Canon R7 over the R6, especially if you're saving up for a lens as well.
Why the big difference in price?
Well, the first thing is the difference in sensor type and size. The Canon R6 has a 20.1 mega pixel full frame sensor that produces incredibly high quality photos and is great for anyone who loves photographing animals in the environment as well as landscape and star scape photos. I do wish it was a little bit larger, offering more room for cropping, but all in all, the quality of photos this sensor produces is amazing.
The Canon R7 has a 32.5 mega pixel APS-C sensor, which magnifies your lens's focal length by 1.6. That means a 100-400mm lens is effectively a 160-640mm lens and a 150-600mm lens a 240-960mm lens. This is great for people who photograph animals in parks and reserves where you can't get very close to them, or birds that are not only far away, but also small. The Canon R7's larger sensor also leaves more room for cropping, but since it's a crop sensor, it won't perform as good in low light or at night as that of the Canon R6. Thus, the Canon R7 is not idea for landscape photography, night time photography or low light photography.
When it comes to ISO, the Canon R6 has a much larger range than the Canon R7. The Canon R6's ISO range is 100-102400, whereas the Canon R7's is 100-32000. You'll most likely start seeing grain at lower ISO levels on the Canon R7 than you would on the Canon R6. In other words, if you photograph a lot of animals in low light, like I do, the Canon R6 is the better option.
One of the most important things to consider, is the cameras' frame rates. The Canon R6 can photograph at 12 frames per second mechanically and 20 frames per second electronically, and for both the buffer is 240 frames in RAW, which is very good! The Canon R7 on the other hand can photograph at 15 frames per second mechanically and 30 frames per second electronically, but don't be fooled! This faster frame rate is not worth much when you look at the buffer. You can only shoot RAW files at 15 frames per second for for 51 shots and RAW files at 30 frames per second for 42 shots. That means you have to get your timing spot on, otherwise you've missed the shot.
In conclusion, the Canon R6 is great for people who values quality over longer focal lengths and the ability to crop, and who takes a lot of wider shots in low light. The Canon R7 is excellent for people who photograph smaller subjects (like birds) far away from them in good light, but if you expect to photograph a lot of action in RAW, the Canon R7 might just let you down.
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There is an option for those on a budget that you did not consider. The price of an R6 is the same as the combined price of the R7 and the RP. The RP adds a full frame sensor with 26MP (more than the R6) but lacks most of the refinements for fast action, wildlife and sports. However, carrying an RP alongside the R7 allows landscapes, studio and other shots that benefit from full frame without having to swap lenses all the time as you will with the R6 alone. For example, lets say you are visiting an expansive waterfall with many birds fishing along the shore. An R7 with long telephoto (RF100-400 or better) will cover the wildlife while the RP with a wide angle (mine is a 16-35 but there are several options at least as good). I believe the R6 is the best camera for many types of photography (certainly weddings, which I don't shoot) but it adds relatively little to things that do not require working quickly. I believe there are two distinct groups that will be buying the R7. Some will be moving from the 7D and any of the crop sensor DSLR's. Others already own a full frame body, mirrorless or DSLR, and plan on using the R7 as an accessory to improve what their other camera might be lacking. In all honesty, I might say that the combination of an R6 and R7 ($4000) makes more sense than one R5 given the pixel density advantage of the R7 and the low light performance of the R6. I certainly agree that the buffer is a problem with the R7 but much of that is because of the large file sizes and overly fast frame rate. Shooting at lower than maximum frame rate and using CRAW will add to the number of images for a slight quality reduction. It is not THE answer but might just be AN answer for some users who have trouble limiting themselves to one second of machine gun spray and pray. Good video. We do have to remember that a camera that answers every need would not sell for $1500. R1? Not for me. If I had that kind of loose cash (don't forget the lens required to use it), I'd rather take a Pangolin trip.
You make some very good points, Doug A thanks for the detailed comment! Hopefully some other viewers will read it as well and learn in the process. I 100% agree with your last sentence as well - opportinity is just as important as the gear itself 😎
Hi,
Yes that’s why I use an RP + 16RF + 50RF for travel, street, etc…
I also have old EF 70-200 2.8L + 135 2L
I planned to go R7 for sport/wildlife as RP is limited for that.
But then last month R6 was only 300 more expensive than the R7… (2000-300 cashback in Switzerland for R6 VS 1400 for R7…)
If there was no cashback I would have gone for the R7
Sorry but an R5 is really a better all around tool then what you've mentioned.
Another big advantage of an R6, R7 combo over a single R5 is that you have two cameras. Let's face it, sh#t happens! You drop that single R5 and you may be out of business. I think the R6, R7 combo makes a ton of sense on many levels. Of course, you could also have an R5 and 7.
@@nubscrub ridiculous
Just picked this camera up two days ago and can confirm the low light is actually decent for a APSC and sometimes you can get away without a tripod.
Looked hard at R6 a few weeks ago and came to some of the same conclusions you did. Preordered the R7. I dont get money for pictures just use it as an excuse to explore outside taking mostly bird pics for personal enjoyment. A little lower quality means nothing to me. I shoot JPG. Plus figured money I save on camera can use on a lens in few years. You did a good job analyzing them.
I think you made the right call 👍🏻😎
R7 will be the right call for birds, for sure! Most of us don't have the scratch for an 800 5.6, which combined with the R6 would be great for birds. The extra reach and pixel density of the 7 will not only get you closer with less lens, but let you crop to boot!
This idea interests the heck out of me
Excellent video Villiers. Very informative for the Canon shooters out there!
Thanks Mark 🙏🏻
Finally, a video that’s actually clear and straight to the point without all the deep photography jargon.
Thanks Gillian - I hope it helped you a bit 🤞🏻
Thanks found the video very informative.
Good insight into the workings of R6 for wildlife. Very helpful information to set up my new R6, clear concise and understandable advice Thank You
Excellent review, thank you! Especially the bit about the frame rate and buffer helped me a lot. The R6 is the clear winner here for me. Cheers.
i got the R 7 ,i what settings are your using ? for wildlife ,i got mix feelings about this camera ,had it for 4 days,i doo birds i think the autofocuc is great and it is realy fast dont have any problems whit the buffer,when i take a picture of a bird not to far away it is a fine as my R6 but when the bird is far away and i crop the picture,that it is bad,maybee some settings i dont know i use the program canon digital photo professional the only one i got but i says around half of the pictures is damage ,talk too canon they say i shiould update the software which i have :) still not working
Very informative, thank you!
My pleasure, Boruch.
Loved your video! R6 v R7 is exactly the question I'm wrestling with. I love both landscape and wildlife photgraphy including birds. I can't afford the R5 which we all would love. Both have their drawbacks but thanks for eliminating the R from the shortlist!. You were absolutely open about the fact you had not personally tested the R7. What you presented was a very informative video that was especially helpful for less experienced amateurs. I have also comapred the specs and know the implications of noise vs crop benefits etc. but still am undecided as I love the full frame sensor in my 6D Mk.ii.
One thing you missed was the EVF comparison. Some reviews are critical of the R7, but that is unsurprising given the price.
Leaning towards the R7, but good landscape lenses don't yet exist in RF-S mount.
Thanks Charles. The harsh reality is that there’s no perfect camera 🙈 I hope you end up loving the one you buy 🍀
OMG Finally someone who gives understandable descriptions of the comparisons between these two cameras for some of us who are beginners!! Thanks for the info 🔥🔥🔥🦾
💪🏻😎 my pleasure, Ivan!
Once you get the r7 I would love to see a hands on review after testing in the kruger
Very interesting video, I have an R6 and an RP and am considering replacing the RP with an R7. Based on your video and also reading a lot of the comments, I think getting an R7 might be a great choice for me.
Good tips. Thank you
It's not so much the waiting list in SA, 1st batch stuck at ICASA waiting on wireless approval stickers. Two weeks already, can you believe it?
hi by this time you must have had a R7 in your hands . Which body do u think I shld dd to my R6? another R6 or. R7? I shoot wildlife - mainly birds and tigers.
As a birder that buffer size is a show stopper. Thanks for the great comparison as I was a 25 year Nikon shooter jumping to the R6 (from D500). I was looking at the R7 for that crop!
Thanks again.
There is a third option although it is the most expensive. I have both. I shoot sports and when I can't do that wildlife and occasionally landscapes, especially at night. That is a broad spectrum that cuts across the strengths and weaknesses of both. I don't spray and pray so the frame rate on the R7 is not an issue and I can report that it is superior in nearly every way to my 7D MII with two exceptions: 1) durability 2) option for a battery grip. Also, the 32.5 megapixels has been a big upgrade and it looks like 6400 ISO is doable on the R7.
I think your video will help lots of folks decide.
How good a value is the R7? I ordered it over the phone from the local shop expecting to pay 2100-2300 USD. I was shocked when they said 1500. Totally worth it.
That’s valuable feedback, thanks Michael 🙏🏻 Enjoy your R7! 🤗
Hi by this time you must have had a R7 in your hands . Which body do u think I shld dd to my R6? another R6 or. R7? I shoot wildlife - mainly birds and tigers. I have a R5 and R6
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Do you ever use the R6 build in x1.6 crop function and if so, what is the quality like?
You get like an 8mpx. image. I actually shot some wolves like that out of desperation. Made 20x30 prints out of a few of them using Gigapixel AI. Not bad. Obviously, given my druthers I would prefer more pixels on target in the camera, but these were usable.
thank you very much for this. Im just starting to learn all this stuff and you explain it very well for beginners like me.
Which would you say is better for video and animal tracking?
Thank you for this video
Hi Bruce. It’s so funny, I literally just spoke to you with my friend, Francois van der Westhuizen 🤯 The Canon R6 is excellent for video, but looking at the specs, I’m convinced the R7 will be just as good, if not better!
@@TheSafariExpert you spoke to me? Im confused :) :)
thank you. Ive ordered the R7, my first "proper" camera and with me not knowing if I have done the right thing, your video has helped. I think I need to book a course with you for my wife and I when we are ready. Thanks again.
@@OverlandingwithBruce, 😅 I mean “about you to”
@@OverlandingwithBruce, I think you’re going to LOVE the R7 for what you do 🤩 Please let me know if you are ever in the Lowveld and series to do a video/photo course - I’d love to help 👍🏻
@@TheSafariExpert shucks now im worried. don't judge im learning mate 🤣
Imagine being a wildlife photographer in Africa. We are privileged In Australia as well. Ive got the R6 and the Canon 90d DSLR . Yes the 20 megapixels is a little disappointing for cropping in but ive been experimenting with Topaz Gigapixel for cropping in and increasing resolution. Do you have any experience with Gigapixel to comment on process and results. This is my first viewing of your videos but appreciate your straight to the point commentary. Ive just subscribed. Thanks.
Weather F value also need to multiply by 1.6?
When using the R6 for shooting wildlife, do you use the electronic or mechanical shutter ... leaving for Botswana in a week and can't wait to use the R6 + RF100-500 combo :-)
Dorien, I use mechanical most if the time, but I switch to electronic when I photograph very fast action, like birds taking off. These days I have my AF-ON button set to face-tracking focus and my star-button to animal eye tracking. That combo works very well.
I have both and love both lol. No problem with buffer with r7, I don’t shoot like crazy ha ha. Short bursts will do just fine with 15 fps besides why do you need 51 to 100 same images, for me the most important thing on shooting wildlife specially birds is the take off and landing and also when they hunt for fish. Flying or gliding I stopped shooting because you will end up with 50 same images
Do you know how the R7 will work with existing full frame lenses like my RF 100-500mm F 4.5-7.1 or the 800mm F11?
Ron, I won’t know for sure until I’ve tried it myself, but go check out a channel called Jan Wegener - he’s a bird photographer in Australia and I’m pretty sure he’ll be one of the first testing those combos in the field.
I think saying that the r6 has a very small sensor and that r7 sensor is substantially larger, is quite poorly phrased statement. It's exactly the opposite, r6 has substantially larger sensor than r7, it's a full frame (36mm x 24mm) while r7 is aps-c, which is a smaller sensor (22.2mm x 14.8mm). What you wanted to say, I guess, is that r7 has more pixels than r6. But than again, r7 having more pixels, squeezed on a smaller size sensor, has a much much smaller pixels than the r6 (bigger sensor with less pixels meaning each individual pixel is much larger) which in turn effects light gathering capacity, hence r6's great low light performance and r7's poor low light (high ISO) performance.
Rovle, you’re right - perhaps I phrased it wrong. I didn’t, however, want to confuse the viewers with, well, pretty much what you said in your comment, so hopefully the important bit about how it affects quality came through.
Most important question is "iso". We have to shoot fast at wildlife so iso performance is very very important. I have 7d mark 2 and iso is my problem. You are talking general full frame and crop factor realities. Everybody knows. How is the iso performance at new crop censors? I want to see the iso compare side by side at 1600-3200-6400 iso at different light conditions r6 and r7.
I wonder this conclusion
Hello. I have a Canon 7d MII. I am an amateur bird and landscape photographer. In autumn we make a trip to the Lofoten islands and I'm thinking of changing cameras. At first I doubted between the Canon R and the R6 and now I thought that the R7 would be a good choice, but I doubt very much because of the issue of being able to take Aurora and night photography with the R7. Would you advise me the R and stick with the 7d MII for birds or do you think the R6 is preferable and cover everything or the R7 will have enough ISO for this type of photography? Forgive the length of the question. Thank you very much for your work and all the time you spend explaining your passion to us fans. greetings from Barcelona
Hi R MM. Personally I’m not a big fan of the Canon EOS R. I would advise on using the R6 over that or the R7 for Aurora shots. If you do get the R6, you’ll have to get a long zoom lens, like a 100-500 or 150-600 (the Tamron G2 is best) in order to get close enough for bird photos. I hope that helps.
@@TheSafariExpert thank you for answer so quickly. My pocket choose R7, 😁😁😁
You can shoot in CRAW instead. That'll give you 100 frames before the buffer fills. That means just over 6 seconds of continuous shooting at 15fps, which is plenty.
That’s a good point, Ahmed. It’s still a small buffer, but much better than 51. Do you know what the electronic CRAW burst is?
@@TheSafariExpert 100 frames, if you shoot at 15fps electronic. But there's the disadvantage of rolling shutter for fast moving subjects.
@@ahmedbebars6844 I shoot the R5 and the rolling shutter is there for hummingbirds but not for most other wildlife situations. I heard the R7 electronic shutter readout is even slower/worse than the R5 though. Is this true?
@@sswildlifevideos Not sure on that one, but I'm guessing for a camera that's much cheaper than an R5, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
@@ahmedbebars6844 Thanks, that was my thought too. That is what is holding me back from adding an R7 as backup to my R5. The poorer ergonomics and potentially worse electronic shutter mean that I may just not use the R7. I personally don't see a point in buying a mirrorless camera and shooting mechanical shutter exclusively. In fact I have only used electronic shutter on the R5 except for hummingbirds in flight and it has worked well so far and I find more sharp images in a sequence and find that I can get closer to wildlife. Perhaps some more tests will come out in the future showing the rolling shutter level of the R7 in the real world to help my decision.
Thanks Villiers, this is a well-though out analysis who should get which of the 2 cameras. And if my 70D had not nearly drowned last summer, I would now no doubt go for the R7. However I did get the R6 last September (and I got a great deal, paying about 500$ less than list price). So where I stand right now, it doesn't make much sense to trade in and a new R7 for the used price of my R6. For low light and occasional landscapes and nightscapes, the R6 is indeed awesome.
But I'm mostly shooting (small) birds .. so always hungry for more reach. And I'm often using the 2x extender with my 100-400Lii.
In this sense I'm waiting for someone to make a comprehensive image quality comparison between the R7 and the R6 with the 2x, because both get a FF equivalent of pixels on the bird as a ~80mpix camera would do (like maybe the R1 sometime).
When I make a next investment in my addictive hobby, should I get an R7 for cases when there is good light ? Or should I keep on saving in the hope Canon brings someday the patented 300-800L/8 lens ??
Werner, if you are photographing birds (in good light) more than you are mammals and or landscapes, I think the R7 is definitely worth it. And if you want some additional reach with that combo (R7 + 100-400mm ii) use the 1.4x converter iii for best results 💪🏻😎
@@TheSafariExpert If only Belgium had the same good light as South-Afrika ;-) Winter and spring gives us better birding opportunities because they cannot hide as much between the leaves, but moments with good light can be scarce. In 10 days, I'll be in Iceland for a 19day trip and also there the R6 should be king.
So I'm not ditching the R6, but rather wondering about someday adding the R7 or instead investing in longer glass.
Could you recommend which camera will be best for pet photography? R6 or r7? I have an old 550D and I’m not professional. What type of lens should I get? Thank you ☺️
They would both be great for pet photography so budget would dictate which one you buy - the R6 is a lot more expensive than the R7. You can take great pet photos with almost any lens (because you can get so close to them), but personally I like something like a 24-105mm or 70-200mm lens.
@@TheSafariExpert thank you, as I understood I’ll need L-series right?
I preorder r7 but now debating if i should wait or jus top up and buy r7. Seems like in africa we wont be getting the r7 fast
Hi Villiers. I am travelling to Kruger park in december／jan from new zealand. I am just getting into photography and purchased your beginners wildlife photography course. I was planning on using a 70－300 canon kit lense but now i worry i wont get good shots but the 100－400 is too expensive. Can you clarify this a bit more？
Gareth, the 70-300mm lens is not only a bit ‘short’ for wildlife in Kruger, but the quality of the photos are also significantly worse than the Canon 100-400mm lens, at least when it comes to the mark ii. If I were you, look out for a well-looked-after Canon 100-400mm mark ii lens. If it’s still too expensive, you’ll just have to use what you learnt in the course and make the most of your opportunities with the 70-300 🙂 Enjoy!
Would a 100-400 mk1 be sufficent or do you reccomend spending the extra for mk2. The mk1s are alot cheaper on ebay
@@woodgareth, definitely buy the mark ii!!!!!
Great video, very helpful. With regard to the relatively low buffer size of he R7, could you slow down the fps rate, to say 10 fps, would that mean the buffer won't fill so quickley and so increasing he amount of time? I have a 7D mkii so would be happy with "only" 10 fps
Robin, I would assume so, but if it can only do 51 frames at 15 fps, I’m not convinced it’s going to do a lot more at 10 fps 🤔 We’ll have to wait and see when more people test it in the field.
51 frames is still a chunk. Wasn't that long ago we were dealing with buffers of half that. Can't remember too many times I've blown off 51 shots in a burst, except when playing with the 20fps on flying birds with my R6. That was just for fun. Not much into spray and pray.
I have the R6 and love everything about it. I’m thinking of getting a second mirrorless camera. When I upgraded to full-frame with the R6, I missed the reach I had with my lenses. Then I realized that my style of filming relied more on getting close to my subjects and get details rather than doing landscapes or wide shots. I think I would pick up an R7 as a second camera to replace my old DSLR, instead of buying a second expensive R6.
Good idea!
Hi there Villiers, Have you had access to an R7 since this recording? My dilemma, I am a part time photographer and thus seeking your advise. I purchased an R6 a year ago (game changer) and now only have one body, (Previous 6D and 5D mkIII) as I sold these two off to help the move to mirrorless. I desperately want to get back to a two body setup as my interest fields are wildlife and birds (Birds in flight), the hassle of having to change lenses and missing shots is something I miss dearly. The other factor, as always budget, I will have to stay with the EF lens line-up for a while yet and the question is; R6 and purchase a new R7 to go with it or look for a used R6 and keep a two R6 combination. The R6's are coming into the used market now at reasonable prices since the advent of the R6 mkII.
I own or have access to the following lenses; EF 16-35 f4, EF 70-200 f4, EF 100-400 mkII and a EF 600 f4 mkII my thoughts were the following while out doing wildlife & birds on a self drive in a wildlife destination.
R6 & R7 Combo
R6 EF 70-200 f4 attached and EF 16-35 f4 standby
R7 100-400 mkII attached and 600 f4 mkII standby
R6 & R6 Combo
R6 100-400 mkII attached and a 24-105 standby (will have to purchase used)
R6 EF 600 f4 mkII attached.
The APS-C crop factor interests me for the additional reach of the R7, the image quality of the R7 a question though. I understand that low light is a challenge for the R7 but when that occasion arises I have the R6. Your thoughts please and of course anyone reading this with experience that can guide me in the right direction.
Regards
Derek
Hi Derek. I actually haven’t had the opportunity to photograph with the R7 yet and none of the clients I’ve traveled with, had one…so I have had very little feedback from field tests. With that amazing kit, I would actually save up for an R6 II if I were you and keep the R6 as the second body, but I know that budget might be an issue… Good luck 🍀
@@TheSafariExpert Thanks for taking time to reply, appreciated. So much to think about…. And inevitably budget the driver. Keep up your good work with all your channel material, thoroughly enjoying it.
The Canon r6 is over 3k new Zealand, really expensive. It would be awesome if you could compare lower budget cameras especially for beginners.
Thank you for your video. I appreciate your photographic work as well as your teaching.
Yet I don't completely follow you in your conclusions, as far as wildlife photography is concerned.
I was up to now a happy R6 owner, but I admit I was a bit surprised at the announcement of this new model at this price.
I wonder what is left to the R6 and I am not really convinced by your presentation
In your analysis, only the buffer argument seems to me to make a real difference in its favour.
I think you can not present the argument of ISO capacity as an a advantage for the R6.
What is the use of having up to 100.000 ISO on a camera ? Have you really ever produced a quality photography at 50.000, 80.000 ISO or more ?
And as a wildlife photographer, why don't you speak of the amazing R7 pre-shot buffer, which enables to capture photos half a second before the shot is taken ?
Sad time for those who bought their R6 with such a price difference only one year ago !
Which is better for wildlife?
one thing I think you missed here is the R5 and its crop mode ?
The R6 also has the crop mode but apparently this significantly reduces the number of pixels used. Whilst the effect might not be so great with the R5 it may be more obvious on the R6. (I had ordered an R7 but cancelled it on being told I wouldn’t get it in the UK until end of August). I've had the R6 for a week and I'm very impressed but have yet to try it in crop mode.
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Does anyone know if the camera is capable of autofocus tracking at a speed of 15 FPS, for birds in flight or sports? Is autofocus as accurate as a Canon 7D Mark II or a Nikon D500, which have an APS-C sensor? These cameras are capable of focus tracking at 10 FPS. It's no use taking 15 FPS and having half of the photos out of focus. Thanks! Great video!
It can auto focus track at all speeds and the auto focus is based on the R3. So far, in using the camera, it is very accurate and should be far better than the two cameras you mentioned as it has far more advanced technology in it.
@@frankanderson5012 Thanks! But have you tested an R7 in the real world or do you already have one to say so?
Mauro, it will be very interesting to see the real world results. From what I've seen on the Pangolin Wildlife Photography UA-cam Channel, the Auto Focussing works really well! Check the video I've linked to in the description.
@@TheSafariExpert I had already seen this video, but as it is a pre-production camera, I will wait for a long term review in the real world. Thanks!
@@maurogalch2098 The focus tracking is ridiculously good. I was shooting some terns in flight a few days ago and the only time the camera lost focus is when the bird hit the water. I haven't been able to use for sports yet but I have a feeling the tracking will not be an issue.
A question please: what is the advantage of using a high rate of FPS instead of video? Video is normally 25 to 30 FPS and even 60 or more... so what would be the disadvantage of extracting frames from a video? Thank you in advance!
Alvaro, I've never extracted photos from video, so I wouldn't know. I do, however, prefer to do one or the other, because my composition is usually different.
Qualidade !!!
Motion blur, rolling shutter, lower resolution, use a lot of GB, use a lot more the battery and the difficulty to check the result on the camera 😉
@@maeglow @Rui 777, @The Safari Expert,
Thank you all guys. I see your point
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You said the R6 has a smaller sensor than the R7 a couple of times, but that's not true. It has a bigger sensor, but less pixels.
I shoot youth sports with an old 7Dii with a battery grip so naturally the R7 would be a natural upgrade. We shoot medium jpg for onsite print and digital sales so I wouldn't care about raw too much, so the ISO performance at 12800 is irrelevant. The lack of a battery grip is a total deal breaker for me and I can only hope Canon plan to release a high end APS-c body more aimed at serious photographers and not just enthusiasts.
Interesting point 🤔
@@TheSafariExpert I was gutted to discover Canon had designed the R7 to be incompatible with a grip... but it does leave the door open for a real 7Dii replacement. ie a prosumer body. I guess we'll see....
@@TheSafariExpert i think the r7 is really a 90D mk2
Same here, was planing to replace my 7D MK2 but without a battery grip there’s no sale.
Canon shouldn’t market this camera for sports or wildlife without a battery grip.
@@luminaire7085 There is also no battery grip for the lower cost amateur/consumer model EOS RP. But 3rd party vendors like Neewer have made simple low cost battery grips for the EOS RP that just have 2 batteries plus an external cable with a 3.5mm jack to plug-in and trigger the shutter. Sure they can make a similar for the R7 if R7 sells well.
Doing continuous one second bursts apparently alleviates the problem with the buffer. I personally hope the eventual R6 markii (or successor) goes up to 30mp. They really need a body with similar specs and price as the 5dm4.
I agree, Matthew - a 30mp sensor would be perfect! But you don’t want the frame rate of the 5Dm4 😬 In that regard the R6 is a massive upgrade!
@@TheSafariExpert oh yeah for sure haha. Better frame rate and the updated auto-focus system and we've got a winner.
Do you have the R7? I have not noticed 1-2 seconds bursts alleviating 40-50 image buffer limit. I press the shutter and hold it down to track at 30fps and in 1-2 seconds your done because the red light goes on and you then wait for what feels like a long time. Someone said 8 seconds. I haven't timed it. I'm keeping it for the 1 6x reach and a volume level on the Electronic shutter. I have the R5 but I severely crop frequently.
@@newdayinspirations5792 No I don't, that was based on a channel called Wild Alaska. And he was trying one second bursts (not 2 seconds), and felt that was good enough to work with. So not completely solving the problem, but finding ways to work within the limitations. Just search Wild Alaska R7, and I'm sure you'll find it no problem. Cheers.
@@matthewclapperton8673 I did watch his video. Basically it only shoots in 1-2 second bursts in High+ Electronic shutter in full RAW. I haven't tried High drive on Electronic shutter CRAW. It supposedly gets you around 90 or so images.
I'd rather have the fuji xh2s which is the same price as the r6
Another big issue with the R7 is rolling shutter, which is not a big problem when shooting perched birds but for moving subjects or fast birds it's gonna be an issue.
Then use the mechanical shutter. 15fps is more than enough.
That's with the electronic shutter due to the lack of a stacked sensor. Use the mechanical shutter instead, it's 15fps and you won't get any rolling shutter.
@@ahmedbebars6844 Absolutely, but in a mirrorless system I want to use the electronic shutter, especially when Canon marketing promoted with such high frame rates. It makes no sense to me to offer the fast FPS but wanting buyers to use the mechanical shutter as their main mode. That's a bad joke in my opinion ... Oh and I am not saying it's a bad camera, definitely not. But be aware of these limitations and find out for yourself if this might be an issue for you. Maybe it's not today or tomorrow, but maybe in a year or two, think about it.
In my opinion, if you’re using high frame rates as a selling point, they should be able to perform optimally, which I don’t think is the case with the R7 🤔
@@TheSafariExpert Absolutely, if you can live with these downsides like small buffer, massiv blackouts, loud mechanical shutter and rolling shutter in stills and video, it for sure is a fantastic camera. But in mid. 2022 I would expect a little bit more from a modern mirrorless system .....
The option Raw-C is more interesting in this camera.
Definitely, Joop. I've heard some people get between 60-100 shots in CRAW before the buffer fills, but if you ask me, that's still not enough.
Fo they use the same batteries as the 7Dii ???
You can use your old 7Dii battery in the R7, but the new LP-E6NH battery that comes with the R7 is definitely a better option
@@TheSafariExpert yeah longer life for sure, thanks 👍
@@stewarthinsley6995 There are actually third party batteries that are half the price of OEM canon batteries with higher mAh capacity than the Canon OEM battery. When comparing battery life, look at the mAh capacity, not believe manufacturer blurb...
@@stubones and what brands are these third party batteries?
If one can afford a safari at 6-7K then the prices difference is small. I've used crop sensors with the 10D/40D/7D ( worst sensor ever for noise) and APS-H ( 1D MKIV) but since I moved to FF I would never go back to 1.6x sensors.
Safaris are not that expensive. You can easily get 2 day safari in Tanzania for less than 500$.
@@vvshvv With safaris you get what you pay for. The costs reflect that. I always go on my own with the driver of course and that's more expensive than going with a group but it's worth it.
@@sportsshooter2574 I agree with you. Also for cheap price you get worse accomodation, absense of sockets in the car, etc.,
I loved the 1d iv. It was a perfect compromise in my mind. Wouldn't mind seeing that sensor size return. As for crop, it does get more pixels on the subject. The 7 has the equivalent of about 87 mpx., I think I read, in a FF camera. That's more pixels on subject than the R5. Noise and image quality are marginally better in FF, but there are always tradeoffs. You can't compare a modern APS-C sensor to a 40d.
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So with the R7 you can't Spray and pray, and that's a problem?
Nope, you can't. It will have to be short bursts
One thing I think you forgot to mention is that the r6 can add the 1.6x crop in the camera settings if you need or want to.
yes but thats basically like 10 megapixel images.
@@truthseeker6804not sure where you heard that but it hasn't affected my images. I've used it several times and the files are just as big and sharp.
@@alivia4907 its the same as cropping in post. its not magic. youre getting about a 10megapixel or less. you can research on r6 crop mode. any full frame crop mode is digital zoom.
How do you do this
The only way out of this camera conundrum is to buy both cameras ☹️
The R6 is the not the successor of the Canon 5D mark lV but the Canon 6D mark II. And the R7 is not a real succesor of the Canon 7D mark II but more the 70D. The build quality of the 7D mark II is much better. 😉
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But r7 have a lot more noise yes. freedom to crop but no freedom to use high iso
Exactly! 👍🏻
Maybe it can be a good idea to actually at least test the capabilities on the r7 before saying anything.
@@rinohals Full of reviews with examples. Google and watch. And this is obvious anyway with so many megapixels + crop sensor
I didn't want to step on your or any others toes. I don't need to read reviews. I actually own one. Plus the R5
@@rinohals I think it's good position. Good luck
How can you do a comparison when you’re even have they are seven usually your stuff is pretty good sorry not this one
R5?
What about the R5, Robert?
@@TheSafariExpert Much higher price, yes. But, setting that major factor aside for a minute, where does it fit in the mix?
A comparison R6/R7 and you don't have the R7 : very strong ! I've stopped watching after 30s...🤦
You speak as if the crop factor is ONLY bad? 😅
Sure.. You cant go as wide.. But you Can get WAY closer to the subjects/animals.. 🤷 And most People want to get close..
You need to realize we just
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Looks an interesting video I thought but at the comment "I don't yet have an R7" a few seconds in I stopped watching.
Mike, that's very unfortunate, because you don't necessary need to test a camera to make good comparisons or give good advice. The specifications alone tell you so much about the camera's performance. The reason I did this review now, before I've tested it, is because I'm getting the questions now - sooo many people are rushing into buying the R7 before considering all the necessary factors. As soon as I get my hands on and R7, which is difficult to do at the moment here in South Africa, I'll hopefully be able to do more comprehensive review, but I can almost guarantee you that the advice given in this video will be relevant.
@@TheSafariExpert The thing is I come to UA-cam to get information on stuff I can't get myself, I have had the R5 and R6 but need the crop of an APS-c sensor for wildlife and macro. I can work out for myself most things from specifications but when I see a video announcing it knows what I need then I would hope the content creator had the actual piece of equipment in hand. Anyway, best of luck with the channel.
@@mikepursey495, you can learn from all these videos. Everyone who reviews the camera (or its specs) can give you some insight that might help you with your decision. Why do you need the crop of an APS-C for wildlife and macro if you have two other amazing Canon mirrorless cameras? Shouldn’t you perhaps look at getting other lenses rather than sacrificing quality, which you most certainly will on the R7? My intentions really are to help.
You're comparing a camera that you actually own to one that you've never used, but only imagine? That, in my humble opinion, makes your statements about differences in image quality, low light capabilities etc. rather untrustworthy.
How do YOU think a 30mp APS-c sensor is going to do at high ISO compared to a 20mp full frame sensor? If you know a single thing about about cameras you'd know immediately that a 20mp full frame sensor is going to significantly out perform a 30mp APS-c sensor in all aspects, from image quality to ISO performance.
Lau, all I’m trying to do is save a lot of people a lot of regret by giving them some advice before they buy the R7 with great expectations. Like Stubones says, us professionals understand the limitations of these cameras better than most and my intentions truly are to help people, nothing more.
@@stubones I don't make statements about cameras I don't know from personal experience. That I leave to the "know-it-alls" and the "wise guys". But having watched many camera reviews and tests, I feel it is at least safe to state that matters aren't quite as simple as YOU seem to think.
Why even bother .. when you should be reviewing camera that ARE WITHIN THE SAME PRICE POINT ....................
what is with you channels that do these , You people need a reality check ..
First of all, take a chill pill 😅 Secondly, you make the assumption that everyone out there is struggling to choose between camera models that cost more or less the same, but I can tell you for a fact that that’s not the case. I made this video specifically because so many of my safari clients were struggling to decide between the R6 and R7, without even knowing their strengths and weaknesses.
So before you urge us content creators to get a reality check again, perhaps consider the fact that not everyone thinks the way you do 😏
If you don’t have an R7 then why should I listen to you?
He's not even looking at us... his eyes keep staring at the external monitor when he's talking Dx that or he's reading a script x.x