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Be sure to take things at your own pace, there's a lot to take in✌️ Once you have most of the Horus Heresy down, should be easier to navigate the lore.
Love your videos, if you want very good lore videos that are accurate I would recommend the Templin Insitute. One of their best Videos, in my opinion, is called "Lord Commander Dante | Warhammer 40,000" it is about the current Chapter Master of the Blood Angels and is some of the most epic, currently relevant, lore.
after the horus heresy gorillaman made the codex astartes and ordered the splitting the legions into chapters, chapters are required to have no more than a thousand astartes to prevent a civil war like the heresy to never happen again. (except) Black templars hating the codex, rule lawyered going on a perpetual crusade ignoring the restriction having between 1000 and 10000 astartes.
@@wandererz1724 I really appreciate you saying that! Glad to have such a great audience watching with me! Ill add that to the list for sure! thank you for the recommendation! :)
Quick info on the 2nd and 11th legion is that they were so messed up that they were expunged from history, their primarchs deleted and their legions numbers absorbed by other legions
To be fair the references are vague enough that determining if they were messed up, or they made some massive mistakes, or were wiped out in a failure. There are other parts and subtleties that imply perhaps one of those primarchs may be imprisoned on terra. So there were 21 primarchs, the 20th being split in the twins. There are 19 named. So “18” sons.
@@TheRealCenturion Yeah the Primarchs were really bad and/or probably chaos worshippers when the Emperor came into contact with them so he eradicated the Primarchs and gave over the Astartes to other Primarchs.
@@hordegaming4771in some lore they were remembered fondly by other primarchs and that they didn't deserve being deleted. To me that indicates that they didn't turn traitor but some other disaster happened. Perhaps major gene seed failure, or them falling victim to some enemy.
36:36 Angron is perfect example of Big E essentially effing up and pushing his son towards rebellion by being stupid and treating them like tools. Angron essentially loved his fellow slave gladiators and the fact he had to fight and kill them was abhorrent to him. And that's the reason he got implanted with butchers nails. He led the rebellion (Spartacus like) that led them into mountains where they were finally surrounded. As he was preparing to die alongside his brother's and sisters on the battle the next day, emperor arrived, trying to convince him to take control over his legion. He said he'd rather die with his fellows. So E returned to ship and just before the battle he teleported Angron away, leaving remaining rebels to be slaughtered. Angron hates him for it and hates his legion. Hates himself, and hates everything. He even says that he himself is already dead, and died with his brothers and sisters on Nuceria. Imagine how broken that already broken man was when he returned to Nuceria one day only to learn that he himself is known now as symbol of betrayal and abandoning one's fellows. Poor, poor Angron.
When these 9 loyalist legions were split into smaller chapters after the Horus Heresy, the most zealous of the Imperial Fists formed The Black Templars. Yes, Rogal Dorn is their genefather. The Templars immediately went on crusade. They are still on that crusade. The Eternal Crusade.
Just an add on; In the Codex Astarties, each chapter can have no more than 1000 Space Marines. LOOP HOLE! Each chapter can have a sub chapter Black Templars sub chapters are all called Black Templars. Also, don't call your fully modified new space Marines, space Marines.. no no.. call them neophytes... Each chapter can have thousands of neophytes.... Hope this helps Cheers -Alpharious-
@@beatooze8025 No brother the loop hole is that Chapters are not allowed to exceed the 1000 marine limit, unless they're on a Crusade. To which the Black Templars decided that they would always be on a Crusade, and have been for the past 10k years. For new chapters to be founded, the Imperium has to agree to create a whole new bunch of them, it doesn't just happen. They're called "Foundings" and there have been around 28 of them or so
@@ironduke5058 you are correct. Honorable battle brother, your Primarch would be proud of your knowledge of his book. For only a true son of Gilliman would find it necessary to expand upon a simple yet understandable interpretation of the procedures and rules contained within. Your mind is as sharp as Sicarius's blade and your tongue just as quick. Blessed be the God Emperor. (Lol! Now that's how Space Marines throw shade 😁) Now all joking aside. You are absolutely right, and that is what I was trying to get through with the ability to make sub-chapters on the fly. Now, I must take my leave. I have a 4:30 Crusade that I need to get to. Xenos won't kill themselves... Unless... *Yells down a hallway* "Hey Steve, I got a great idea!! Get your sword.. and a bucket!!" Cheers -Alpharious-
Answering for my boys The Raven Guard: think of them as masters in the art of ambush. Call the Officio Assassinorum when you need a high profile person eliminated. Send the Raven Guard when you need an armored column to disappear with no trace of who’s even responsible.
23:30 Yes, the Black Templars are a Second Founding chapter descended from the Imperial Fists, which is why they aren't in this video. There are a thousand or so canonical descendant chapters of the original ones, but the Black Templars are the most famous and most supported on the tabletop.
There is a 5 minute or so animation that he used a couple clips here. Don't remember the exact title, but "Imperial Fists vs Iron Warriors" will bring it up. I love the Iron Warriors, and loved seeing them get roasted.
i got Space Marines 2 when it came out, with no prior knowledge and after finishing the game i went down the same rabbit hole you're currently going down. spent almost a grand on miniatures and supplies so far. the addiction becomes REAL. welcome brother.
I haven't watch the video yet but i will in advance drop quick distinction so you know what is what: when talking about legions, we are talking about 30k era when blood angels, dark angels et all were counting hundred - two hundred thousand marines each. When talking about chapters we are talking about 31k onwards essentially (post Horus Heresy) where legions were divided into chapters each having around 1-2k marines only. It has been done so never to give asuch power to single individual as there was during Legions time. So onechapter kept their legion name (known as first founding chapter), and other ones took new names (and are known as second founding)
@@TheRealCenturionYeah, there were only 20 legions, which ranged from 80k-250k marines each. In modern 40k I believe it’s estimated that there are about 1000 chapters of 1000 marines each, though Guilliman’s return may have increased that slightly… The big deal with chapters is that since there are so many and not all are described in lore, this incentivizes people to homebrew and make their own unique chapter either for tabletop or just enjoyment of the lore.
first 40k joke: Bricky being stuck in the walls of the Schola Progenium references the fact that the orphanage put kids in the walls as punishment and then paved them over with concrete when they rebuilt the school. and yes, the Lion has also returned. A loyalist clone of Fulgrim also exists, but GW probably wont make him playable. good thing i dont care about the wargame and only play the tabletop RPGs so i can do whatever the fuck i want, including a Primarchs only game. lol
@@TheRealCenturionYeah they didn't do it for no reason btw, there was a year that a whole class from the school rebelled because they didn't like the way they were being treated. They took this all the way to the head principal and there was a real risk that they could incite the whole school to riot. The principal took all this all, nodded his head, sighed, called in an armed force and forced every single kid from the class into a pit. As they all screamed for mercy and forgiveness and promised they'd never do it again, they sound of cement trucks backing up were heard. The pits were filled up and after the cement hardened, it was chiseled around their screaming faces and outstretched hands and used as walls to line the hallways. And that's why you respect the Schola Progenium lmao
Technically, all Space Marine can eat their enemies and gained information through it. But most Chapters rarely do that apart from Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Flesh Eaters
Dude you are absolutely killing it with these reactions! Now that we're starting to get more primarch information, I wanted to share one of my favorite tidbits regarding Rowbooty Gorillaman: The Battle of Calth is when Lorgar (traitor primarch) enacted his plan of betrayal against his loyalist brothers, being one of the very first battles to basically kick off the Horus Heresy. The Word Bearer fleet suddenly turned guns on the nearby Ultramarine fleet and shit hit the fan. After having the bridge of his ship attacked, Guilliman was sucked out into the vacuum of space to the horror of his sons. Believing their primarch to be lost, an Ultramarine Sergeant led a squad in an attempt to fend off the now-traitor Word Bearer marines. This eventually led them to fighting outside on the hull of the 26km long flagship ship, when suddenly... (Sergeant's POV:) "Something wings him in the shoulder. No, it's a hand. A hand dragging him backwards. Guilliman pushes Thiel aside and propels himself towards the Word Bearers. His armored feet bite into the hullskin as he gains traction. He seems vast, like a titan. Not an engine of Mars. A titan of myth. His head is bare. Impossible. His skin is bleached with cold. His mouth opens in a silent scream as he smashes into them. He kills one. He crushes the legionary's head into his chest with the base of his fist. Globules of blood squirt sideways, jiggling and jostling. The body topples back in slow motion. Guilliman turns, finds another, punches his giant fist through the legionary's torso, and pulls it out, ripping out his backbone. A third comes, eager for the glory of killing a primarch. Thiel guns him apart with his reloaded boltgun, two-handed brace, feet anchored. The fourth storms in. Guilliman twists and punches his head off. Clean off. Head and helm as one, tumbling away like a ball, trailing beads of blood."
"From the void came a demi-god clad in armour of cobalt and pearl, an inaudible roar distorting his usually calm visage. It was Roboute Guilliman, Primarch of the Ultramarines, and he was as a raw force of nature, his usual measured demeanor driven out by cold fury as he slew Word Bearers by the dozen. As incredible as the fact of the Primarch surviving the destruction of the bridge was, what would mystify future generations of gene-smiths was the fact that the Emperor's son wore no battle helm. He had fought for ten hours in a vacuum without any apparent oxygen supply, a feat that even the preternatural physiology of the Primarchs could not entirely account for."
That sounds like an awesome scene! May i ask what book thats from? Sounds like it would certainly be worth a read! Thats a really great perspective at the different "levels" of power there are to , that even something as supposedly strong as a space marine can just be literally punched and killed. I really hope you enjoyed the video! Thank you for sharing that!
@@TheRealCenturion the book is Know No Fear! And always happy to share haha I honestly don't really comment a lot on UA-cam but your reactions have been awesome and it's always nice to have someone who is engaged in learning new stuff!
40:10 yes, this has changed. in terms of the loyalists, we now have Lion El'johnson for the dark angels, and in terms of traitors, in addition to Magnus and Mortarion mentioned in the video, Angron is on the loose, and Fulgrim just got announced.
Bricky in the begin of the video mentioned the space marine sub-factions so in case you were curious I will give a simple explanation. After the Horus heresy Roboute Guilliman the Primarch of the 13th legion created the codex astartes which would split the remaining loyalist legions into chapters each contain only a thousand space marines which would each be lead by a chapter master. there are two types of chapters for you to know founding chapters and successor chapter. Founding chapters are the legions that you learned in this video but reduce to only a thousand members, the other being successor chapters made up of rest of the members of each legion. a notable successor chapter is the Black Templars which are a successor chapter of the Imperial Fist.
The primarchs were yeeted from earth and raise on other planets. Angron got the nails from the people there, not the Emperor. The Emperor still fucked up with Angron, but not in that way 😂
One time the Night Lords were doing thier usual thing and got attacted by a loyalist space Marines chapter called the Space Sharks. The Night Lords were butchered and brutalised by the Space Sharks and the Night Lords were so surprised at how violent and brutal these grey armored Space Marines were. It was even more unnerving because Space Sharks was just quite while doing it. Plus a Night Lord name Skraivok once challenged Blood Angels 1st captain Raldoron, it didn't end well for Skraivok lol. ‘Raldoron?’ said Skraivok. ‘The Raldoron?’ He made a few passes with his sword, revelling in its lightness, in its killing edge. ‘This will be a day to celebrate, the day I slew the hero of the Blood Angels!’ He saluted, and declaimed pompously, ‘I am Gendor Skraivok, the Painted Count, Lord Commander of the Night Lords Legion, and I am your end.’ The Blood Angel was unimpressed. ‘Never heard of you,’ he said, and came in to attack, his power sword buzzing. Skraivok laughed and parried. The daemon sword moved with a mind of its own to block the blow so fast Raldoron was almost taken down by Skraivok’s riposte, only a wild slicing deflection turning it aside. A second strike was thus deflected by Raldoron, and a third. The First Captain of the Blood Angels was as good as his reputation suggested, but Skraivok was filled with sorcerous foreknowledge and supernatural speed. He saw an opening, and moved in for the kill. He missed. He was too slow. Raldoron sidestepped the blow and twisted it aside with a slight flick of his blade. Skraivok stepped back. The delicious feeling of power was gone. The world lost its sheen. He was in the rain, on the wall, surrounded by the dead, and he could not beat this man. Panic gripped Skraivok’s gut. The blade was heavy. It would not respond as it had. Where before it accentuated his skills, lending him greater speed and strength, now it did nothing. Raldoron pressed his attack, battering at Skraivok with a flurry of blows that he could barely deflect. The daemon had deserted him. ‘No,’said Skraivok. ‘It cannot be!’ Raldoron’s power sword banged against the edge of Skraivok’s blade, sending him stumbling backwards. ‘That always was the problem with your Legion, Night Lord,’ said Raldoron. ‘You are quick with your torturer’s knives, but so few of you are worthy warriors.’ Raldoron swung his sword overarm, building momentum into a blow that would cut a power-armoured warrior in two. Skraivok parried it only just in time, stepping back and nearly tripping on the corpse of a Night Lord. Raldoron followed with another blow, and another. Skraivok struggled to stop him. He was so fast. Skraivok was a Space Marine captain, and more than a passable swordsman, but Raldoron was a hero of the Imperium whose name was known across the galaxy. Raldoron attacked with greater ferocity. Skraivok’s arm was numb from deflecting the blows. He forayed a few attacks, but they put him in more danger, as Raldoron caught and countered every one. His latest riposte was turned away, and Raldoron’s power blade scraped sparks up the side of his breast-plate. ‘Atramentar!’ Skraivok called, his panic rising. ‘To me!’ If they heard, they could do nothing; they fought the Blood Angels Dreadnought still, their number reduced to three. ‘Night Lords! Help me!’ His power pack scraped on rockcrete. He had his back to the outer crenellations, and could retreat no further. Raldoron faced him. His sword energy field buzzed in the downpour. ‘Listen to you,’ Raldoron said. ‘The masters of fear. You are cowards, like all cruel men.’ Raldoron’s power sword slashed across Skraivok’s chest, breaking open the ceramite and severing his power cabling. The Painted Count staggered, unbalanced by the sudden loss of energy to his war-plate’s systems. Raldoron lunged forwards, stunning Skraivok further with a blow to the face from the punch guard of his sword. Cracks crazed over Skraivok’s eye-lenses. His faceplate systems fizzed and broke down into a display of meaningless blocks. He feebly attempted to parry, but Raldoron smashed it aside and turned the blade downwards, his own sword cutting deep into Skraivok’s greave, cleaving through ceramite, undersuit and flesh, and sliding into the bone. Skraivok staggered to the side, slipped and fell backwards into the chute of a crenel. A wedge-shaped gap between merlons, the crenel sloped down and narrowed towards the edge. Skraivok scrabbled at the smooth, polished plascrete of the surface, and succeeded only in making himself slide towards the killing drop. A red boot on his wounded leg pinned him in place. Skraivok cried out in pain. Raldoron leaned forwards to address him. ‘You are and always were an evil Legion. You took the Emperor’s mission and twisted it. Selfish. Monstrous. Tormentors of the weak,’ snarled Raldoron. ‘If Horus had not turned, I would have gladly led the hunt for your kind myself. I thank you from my heart that you came to my sword and saved me the trouble of looking.’ He shifted the weight of his foot, bringing another cry from Skraivok. ‘Wait!’ the Painted Count said. ‘I give you my surrender. You beat me. I am your prisoner!’ ‘There can be no prisoners in this war,’ said Raldoron. ‘How much mercy have you shown to all those that you harmed? I have as much mercy for you as you had for them. Now get off my wall.’ He shoved hard with his foot, sending Skraivok skidding towards the drop. The Night Lord dropped the daemon sword to grip at the polished rockcrete with both of his hands, but there was no purchase on the blood-slick surface. He managed to brace himself on the merlon’s rounded corners with his elbows, and for a moment he thought he might save himself. He looked up to see the Blood Angel still staring at him. ‘You are a pompous man,’ Skraivok said. Raldoron raised his bolt pistol. Screaming in defiance, Skraivok shoved himself over the edge, whence he plummeted, reaching terminal velocity long before he hit the ground and the stone broke him.
Standing up for the Night Lords - Konrad was very right in using terror tactics - from what I remember, in one of the books one of his primarch-brothers accused him of unnecessary cruelty during the Great Crusade, before they went rouge. To which he replied that the Night Lords kill several thousand people, in a terrible way, skin them and broadcast it for the whole planet to see, causing the rest of the forces to surrender, instead of fighting honorably and murdering millions in a classic form of war. Quite a sensible argument if you ask me...
You know... when you consider it is it a small portion of society suffers tremendously so that literally millions dont have to die... there is an argument there... especially considering there is WAYY worse things that could happen to you!
@@TheRealCenturion Especially since it eventually led to a situation where planets and whole systems that rebelled against Imperium "straightened out" very quickly as soon as the Night Lords fleet appeared nearby. Which unfortunately didn't always work, to quote: "We have received your offer of surrender and reject it; we did not come to receive your supplication but to enact judgement. The time to surrender has long passed. The verdict is writ by your own hands. Now is the time to die.” -Night Lords multi-channel vox-broadcast, the Pacification of Listrantia IV 😶
Yeahhhh... But normally, life under the people who implement those kind of tactics is pretty horrible. Those lives will still most likely be lost, just much more slowly and much more painfully.
7:17 they are composite of many things: the purpose emperor wanted them to fulfill, combined with culture of the world they ended up on and how big mistakes has emperor made about treating them one way or another.
The Alpha Legion is so secretive and confusing that even Tzeentch is totally confused. Everyone is basically Alpharius, posing as Omegon, who is posing as Alpharius, who thinks he is Omegon but is a sleeper Agent faking Alpharius, who is actually Omegon, who is posing as Alpharius, but that's also a lie in the end.
It's...like acception stages...When you are a newbie you like "Wait!!! I need to know!!!! What happened to 2nd and 11th?!", then you like: "Ok! It was created for people who wanted to make their own legion in tabletope"...And the final stage is when you put on your very serious face and with heart full of joy say:"We don't talk about 2nd and 11th."😁
From the words of John Warhammer himself Co-Founder Richard “Rick” Priestly in regards to what happened to the 2ed and 11th “Interesting piece and lot's of interesting and credible theories there! I have no more idea than anyone else what the truth of the matter is, of course. The backstory has certainly evolved and acquired some mass of detail since I first drew up that list of Space Marine Chapters and their Primarchs. I'm not really familiar with a lot of that material either, but it's nice to know that the spirit of the thing has been preserved and even nurtured. I will make just one observation - and it's about the intent of the missing legions - where I think GW have perhaps taken a slightly different tack than I had in mind. Not that this matters of course, and I appreciate that in creating a series of books about the Heresy a lot of things I always intended to be unknowable or semi-mythical had to be addressed directly; something I could never have foreseen when I wrote Rogue Trader. The intent is this: that the removal of records and obliteration of the memory of these Lost Legions was not a punishment but a reward - rather than being purged they were being absolved - - and this was based on the assumption they had done something utterly terrible (naturally!) but then done something equally positive to earn redemption. Or think of it as a stain that cannot be erased except by extinction. The Chaos Chapters are unforgiven - out and out bad guys - but the Lost Legions, whatever their deeds, have been forgiven and the stain upon their reputation erased with their memory. At least that was the idea... but times change don't they ;)”
From what we know of the last goings on of the 2ed and 11th we can presume this. When the 2ed and 11th engaged in the first or second Rangdan Xenocides and most likely the 11th was taken control of by the Xenos mind control abilities and killed the 2ed. The 11th himself was either killed by the forces of The Lion&Russ sent to end the Xenocides or the 11th was captured and placed in the Imperial dungeon deep within the Blackstone prison. Rogal Dorn has this to say From “The Scions of the Emperor: anthology” - “Malcador goes on to tell Rogal that, he and Guilliman devised a plan to hide their memories of their brothers and themselves. They gave Malcador permission to do the deed. Here Malcador gives Rogal his memories back, briefly so that he may remember why his two brothers must remain lost and forgotten: "'I will show you,' said Malcador. 'For this instant, I will let you remember. You will know why the lost must remain a mystery!” He did not question what Malcador had shown him. Dorn knew his own mind, enough to be certain that the Sigillite had not projected some conjured illusion into his thoughts. Awakening from the induced reverie, barely seconds had passed, but for the primarch he felt the weight of days upon him. The Sigillite, for all his allusions, was nowhere to be seen when Dorn opened his eyes. There was still much that the psyker had said and done which the Imperial Fist did not accept, and although Malcador had professed to have been truthful with him, Dorn had doubts that would never ebb. But not in this matter. In this, he was certain. The lost were gone, and it was well that they were. The grand misfortunes that befell them crumbled in Dorn's mind, but they left behind certainty. What came to pass could overshadow everything. Dorn knew that now. 'The raw, hateful truth is clear to me. If they were here with us now... This war would already have been lost!' "
Thank you for getting those quotes and explaining! Its a interesting concept that it is viewed that they "made up for" their sins in a way and the best reward for that was to simply be forgotten. Personally I think i prefer it that way but obviously it doesnt take away from anything. Is that the only time to your knowledge that there was any reference of the 2nd and 11th? Thanks again for sharing that! Hope you enjoyed the video!
@@TheRealCenturion firstly, thank you for your response. I’ve been absolutely loving the videos! Your ability to absorb and come to natural, often shockingly accurate conclusions is just good content. Watching your Helsrach reactions is fast becoming my pre-work ritual 🤣 Secondly, I’m more than happy to pool as many sources regarding what’s know of the 2ed and 11th as possible for you. I’ve read all Heresy Era & Conteperary Era (Time of Ending - Era indomitus) 40k novels. My concern would be posting something so dense here it may not translate well. So below I’ll post some minor references and when I get home I’m more than happy to DM you the Doc containing a more comprehensive list for your own reading pleasure. - “The First Heritic” By: Aaron Dembski-Bowden (ADB) - 'Are some chances not worth taking?' asked the Chaplain. 'Some are. This one is not.' 'But the Eleventh Legion-' 'Is expunged from Imperial record for good reason. As is the Second. I'm not saying I don't feel temptation creeping over me, brother. A single sword thrust piercing that pod, and we'd unwrite a shameful future! Dagotal cleared his throat. 'And deny the Ultramarines a significant boost in recruitment numbers! Xaphen regarded him with emotionless eyes, seeming to weigh the merit of such a thing. 'What?' Dagotal asked the others. 'You were thinking it, too. It's no secret! 'Those are just rumours,' Torgal grunted. The assault sergeant didn't sound particularly certain. 'Perhaps, perhaps not. The Thirteenth definitely swelled to eclipse all the other Legions around the time the Second and Eleventh were “forgotten" by Imperial archives!' Enough of this insipid conjecture, came the disembodied voice again. - “Fulgrim: The Palatine Phoenix” By: Josh Reynolds - “But was it his hand that was destined to do so?” The Wolf-King (Leman Russ) thought not. The others seemed to share his disdain. Fulgrim bowed his head, suddenly weary. Seven voices, raised in doubt. Seven brothers, arrayed against the eighth. Even the normally contemplative master of the Second had broken his silence to accuse Fulgrim of hubris. Fulgrim snorted. There was an old Terran saying, about pots and - kettles. He'd refrained from sharing it at the time. His quiet brother had no sense of humour that he was aware of. Perhaps that was why he spoke so little. Just off the top there’s also one short mention in “False Gods” By: Graham McNeill - where Horus is watching the scattering and before Erda actually scatters the Primarchs he looks into the 11ths pod and notes all of the potential that will never be.
43:06 The thousand sons are not all spirits. Magnus’ second in command attempted to save the legion from rampant uncontrollable mutations through a spell called the Rubric. This spell turned all non-psychers in the legion into dust, and the psychers remained as they were. Now the psychers are able to direct the Rubric Marines as automotons. Each Thousand Sons warband is a group of psychers in a loose command structure and a ton of ghosts piloting power armor
Was curious whether Perturabo was itself some sort of wordplay, so I went to Google Translate. It is apparently Latin for, "I will disturb." I expected "I am disturbed," but that is "Conturbor." I also discovered that Angron is Javanese for "Farmer."
37:05 "I feel like the Emperor really fucked up there. That was a really big lapse of judgement" Congrats, you have discovered basically all of the reasons why the Horus Heresy happened.
16:49 each space marine chapter is a completely autonomous fighting force. they have their own navy, tanks, armored transports, artillery, siege vehicles, scouts, etc. obviously a limited selection and mostly in "space marine flavor", meaning fairly mobile, but sacrificing a bit of firepower and durability in some cases (not all, thunderhawks and land raiders are beasts), for quick, but hard strikes. in sheer firepower they mostly cant measure up to the Astra Militarum (which is imperial guard + imperial navy and some other branches). a space marine chapter also doesnt just consist of marines, but tens of thousands of support personnel, just like in the real world (especially back in medieval times, when they often traveled with the knights) 22:31 someone probably already mentioned it, but all marines can do that. its via one of the organs they get implanted. fun fact: marines can also spit acid (except the fists) 36:46 no, the marines were perfectly "normal" when angron got assigned his legion, at least as far as im aware. where big E messed up is treating angron like dirt. its a story worth looking into, for example in brickys adeptus ridiculous podcast about angron (+ the world eaters one; they twin the episodes on primarchs and their legions) 52:56 the assassinorum largely works for the more regular human forces, i.e. guard generals, inquisitors and other high ranking units. space marines dont really make use of them for one, because they are autonomous, but also (i guess) because many dont really like humans that much/regard them as unreliable and trust imperial secret agents even less. after all, space marines are supposed to serve the emperor and his sons first and foremost, not "normal" humans. also ravenguard, in addition to being just really good at it and possibly having a passive psychic power that makes people ignore them, also have specialized gear. silently running and muffled power armor, cloaks that actively camouflage, sensor suites in their beaks, etc. also about the alpha legion: bricky said "where the ravenguard use stealth and sabotage" as if the AL doesnt do that. iirc they literally have a unit called Saboteur, a special character, that can enter the battlefield on the enemies board edge and start blowing up their vehicles (or structures, but people rarely bring those). also a neat thing about the alpha legion: since their numerals are all in roman, they are XX, or a mirrored X, which stands for its twin primarchs. (though only one of them is still alive, not sure which one. as in no one really is.)
Raven Guard and Officio Assassinorum are separate factions. its like asking why have Imperial Guard when you have Space Marines. one is force of Imperium and another independent force tied to Empire. what government wants to depend on willfull force?
Ah i see, so its the case of their, their own independent organizations working within or for the collective empire. (Example) So while the CIA COULD ask the FBI for help, they reallyyyy dont want to so they have their own units. Am I understanding it correctly?
@@TheRealCenturion no, not quite. Space Marines more akin to private army of feudal lords, lords being Primarchs.they go wherever, do whatever they like. Raven Guard just happens to enjoy stealth. Empire can ask Space Marine for help but like your best friend, they can tell you to kick rocks at 2am. Empire needs its own special forces that answers directly to them without question. there reason Imperial Guard and Space Marine's separate factions, politics
So with the Thousand Sons, they were Psykers BEFORE turning to Chaos due to Magnus' geneseed. They also suffered a genetic defect like other legions, called "the flesh change". This lead to the legion's top sorcerer casting a spell in an attempt to cure the defect, which only ended up turning every marine in the legion into automatons made from dust. The only survivors of the spell were sorcerers, since it only affected those who had little psychic ability
While the salamanders definitely are the most notable for caring about civilians, they are not the only legion who does. The space wolves and the Raven guard are two legions who also care.
Black Templar's are a second founding of the imperial fist. After the heresy they split the leagons into 1000 marine chapters. The second founding was the first time they made new chapters after the first leagons.
someone already said it but its pretty important imo to know that every single space marine can gain memories from eating peoples brains its not a space wolf thing, maybe they do it more often? but they all can and do do it
About the primarchs...the emperor did not "raise" them as the chaos gods spread their birthing pods all over the galaxy and so the became victims of circumstance on the respective worlds the ended up on. Angron just got unlucky.
39:36 they take custody over world and or systems and that's two way streak - they get recruits from those worlds, but they also protect them because... Well whatever made people there good enough to be considered for recruitment they want to keep them alive. How and what differs from chapter to chapter.
44:41 thousand sons in short. Were psykers from the beginning, heavy psykers, but big problems with gene stability (spontaneous mutations of "spawn/meathulk" variation). Almost reduced to 0 because of it. When Magnus rejoined them there was literally 1k of them left. Rebuilt because his psykiness granted them stability (they didn't know at the time that Magnus not knowingly made a pact with Tzeentch himself for it, who was reason they mutated in the first place anyway). Styf happens with wolves and genocide, anyway, flesh change returns. First Captain Ahriman tries to cast mega spell to cure his legion that Magnus does not want because he doesn't believe it will work. It doesn't. All TS that were not powerful psykers are reduced to dust and soul magically sealed within their armour, little more than automata guide by their sorcerer fellows that survived the rubric (name of the spell). These are your "dry" undead whereas DG were the "wet" undead
17:15 they have tanks, superheavy armor, armoured carriers, gunships and aerial transport and fighters, walkers, fixed artillery pieces, mobile artillery pieces, mole transporters, everything, especially during HH where they acted as legions more like field army. They were just extremely extremely elite. In 40k they are more focused on being essentially special forces (chapters don't have manpower to be the line army anymore) but all of above elements still can be used.
17:40 space marine tanks are a lot larger then the imperial guard tanks along with powerful weapons, they also have dreadnaught which are basically coffins/life support system for mortally wounded space marines or neath death, these coffins are basically tanks, a metal shell with legs and weaponry, examples are las cannons which are bigger versions of the lasgun and much more powerful as well as it shoots very powerful focused beam that goes through armor like tanks and multi melta which are basically short range anti tank weapons which use hyper powerful microwaves as a burst attack to melt everything within fire range, very good at melting Space marine armor, tanks and fortified bunkers, some have melee weapons like siege weapons (siege claws)
53:06 oh and to clarify on point you made here: they don't have a faction that is "focused purely on assassination". They still have tanks etc. it's just their forte. When space marines legion/chapter is said to specialize in assault/snipers/going fast/heavy metal that means that from the template (I'm making the exact proportions up to make a point) for 5 regular marines with guns you have 1 assault marine, 1 sniper, 1 bike, 0.5 of a tank you modify towards particular style. So assault legions have 0.25 of a tank per 5 normalarines but 3 assault per 5normal marines instead of just 1. RG would have twice or thrice the number of snipers and jetpack murdersquads than normal, but they still would have operational artillery, tanks and terminators, just less than other legions. White scars will have more bike marines than anyone else but they still have tanks, dreadnoughts (although of these they have extremely few of, but lore is extremely cool, look up Uhaan Solban) and terminators. Specialisation =/= exclusive focus
As of right now in current lore, the only two loyalist primarchs that are back in the imperium are Roboute and Lion El'Johnson. The others have either been lost or dead for the last 10kish years and are mainly just referred to as legends and myths by the current imperial populace. When Roboute returned they put him in charge of the imperium and he's actually spoken to his father a few times as well.
The reason why each legion is so different is, that each one got 1 "specific" gene from the emperor And besides Guilliman, there are now 1 other loyal primarch still alive: "Lion El'Jonson" , primarch of the 1. Legion
To answer Your question - space marine chapters are practicallly self contained armies, they are primarily heavy infantry, but do have tanks, APC's, IFVs, heavy support weapons and aircraft as well. Space marine tanks differ from guard tanks mostly due to more firepower, better crew skill but surprisingly less armor, marine tanks tend to be on the lighter side as far as imperial vehicles go (Imperium has heavier and more armored verhicles than eldar do). Take primary marine tank as example - Predator is based on the chassis of a Rhino, an IFV, just upgunned and uparmored. As for Thousand sons - they were very psyker heavy, and also prone to mutations, their chief librarian (head psyker) tried to create a spell that will ward off those mutations - it worked, in a sense : those marines that were psykers had their powers amplified tenfold, while non psykers were reduced to dust sealed off in their armor. For alpha legion and their hydra motiff - alpha legion is only one where aspirants (recruits) are not evaluated as individuals but as a group. They are very into interoperability, taking initiative, and acting independent to an outsider, there is no clear command stucture, no clear chain of command to destroy, but rather three or four parallel ones that can take over as needed. Sargeant being able to do the duties of captain, stuff like that
All Astartes armored tech is manufactured specifically for them, for their sizes and needs, as a separate line of pruduction. Marines can have everything: tanks, IFV, APC, siege tanks, artillery, air support (thunderhawk), bikes, vehicles working on antigrav tech, you name it. Different chapters prefer different toys. About navy: after they got fractured to chapters, they were also prohibited to have a dedicated fleet for void battles. Their ships have guns against other ships, but mainly focused on carring large amount of Astartes from planet to planet to deploy them from orbit, or to board enemy ship. They are well armored but focus on deploying/boarding tactics, while being not as numerous as Imperial Navy. They have some ships that are solely for space combat, like "Nova" frigate, but its a scout/escort ship and navy doesnt like it, as its a direct violation of the restrictions. Ultramarines have a whole own empire, Ultramar, inside Imperium borders, and have large fleet, but its technically Macragge's fleet, not Ultramarines. And about theit empire: its the Imperium's domain, like a vassal. The whole Imperial structure is feudalistic, every planetary governer is allowed to rule their world as he wishes as long as he pays thies on time. In this case, instead of one planet like it always is, Astartes Chapter rules a number of them (dont know what is the current number but before heresy it was 500), basically its a federation that is governed bu Ultramarines, with their capital on Macragge.
You asked if any other primarch has returned. The answer is yes in the form of Lion El'Johnson. He actually aged in his return book from being in the warp or other magics, because primarchs should not be able to age, so instead of looking and feeling like he's in his 20s now he feels like he's 45-55 physicaly, he even complained about it in his book asking a chaos space marine whos back he shattered with his hands through power Armour what sorcery was done to him, with the reply being "you broke my back, what sort of creature are you that can break my back and kill my guard alone and still say your slower and weaker then before" (paraphrased). The other key thing he did on his return was he found some of the fallen and redeemed them as they didn't all truly fall to chaos as he and the rest of the legion thought.
17:28 Astartes vehicles are bigger than more destructive than guard vehicles, and can be neuro link with the marine's carapace (one of the organs) to act as their 2nd skin.
Each legion was designed by the Emperor with purpose. Night lords are all about fear, because they were designed to scare potential betrayers. Salamanders would willingly sacrifice themselves, because Imperium need heroes. Death guard were made to operate in hostile environment. Space wolves were made to execute other space marines in case of revolt. And etc.
There are in-game lore, meta-ingame lore, out of game lore, and out of game business reasons for the two missing legions, and they get conflated a lot. This will be a long walk. When GW makes a decision, they then write an in-universe reason for that. When they then have to change or retcon that lore, they say that *all in-game lore is from unreliable narrators,* as they have limited perspectives, and are subject to chaos and inquisition rewrites to push various narratives. So GW essentially have carte-blanche to change things as they need without the risk of accidentally writing themselves into a corner. For example, the Squats (Space Dwarves) were a faction in the early GW range when the figures were all metal, but at a certain point, GW decided to cut the line of figures and rules entirely. Miniature molds wear out and cost a lot of money to replace. If a line of figures doesn't sell enough to justify the cost of replacing the molds or expanding the line, then it's a financial loss. And if you're not selling figures, why pay writers to write rules and lore for them. That's another financial loss. So, production tells business "We need to replace the molds, it'll cost this much". Business goes "That's not in the budget, change that line to something that sells." And then tells writing, "We're canceling Squats, write them out of the universe." So, removing the Squats line was a business decision to streamline GW's costs, production line, and workload. So they wrote in-universe lore that the Squat homeworlds were consumed by a Tyranid fleet with "no survivors." So you can see the "reason" there were no longer any Squats is three-headed: Logistical, financial, and lore. So when people say "[insert] *is* _the_ reason," they are leaving out part of the story. But, in the decade or so since that purge happened, enough people wanted the Squats back, that GW saw money available on the table and said "Hey, the Squats weren't actually all wiped out like we said, here they are now with this new range of plastic figures, and we're calling them the Legions of Votann now. Buy buy buy" So, establishing that any "reason" for anything GW does is _complicated,_ here are some of the reasons I have heard as to why the two legions don't exist. In-Universe lore, those legions did something so heinous that they were excommunicated by the Emperor, and all their records expunged. The Emperor's excommunication also supposedly psychically erased them from memory, and so now only the Primarchs remember them at all. The Imperium has a lot of meta references to the Roman empire, and Rome had several legions that just disappeared from historical records or whose ultimate fate is a mystery. So, having two "lost legions" for the Imperium was thought to be a lore reference. In the very beginning of the game, the idea was that by leaving a couple of legions without established lore, it would allow players to invent their own (or be opportunities for the writers to pull a "returning legion" story in the future. Eventually, it was decided that players who wanted their own legions could just make them a "successor chapter" to one of the established ones. Just like the Black Templars are a sucessor chapter to the Imperial Fists and are *very different* in how they think and fight, they prove that this would not be as restrictive on player creativity as originally feared. (Personal headcanon) The Imperium is a combination of gothic and roman aesthetics. Writing 2 in roman numerals and 11 in gothic lettering look too similar and cause confusion for the art and modelling teams, so they just said "Bugger that, they don't exist, problem solved."
Tabletop wise, it was also my understanding that it was 2 legions left blank so you could create 1 loyalist & 1 traitor. But I always wondered why they chose 2nd & 11th, especially when XI is a lot easier to put on a model than XVIII. You have a very solid theory there; why deal with the artistic & text confusion of II & 11.
After the Horus Heresy, the Primarchs decided it was too risky to let such few men command that many Astartes. As such "Legions" of 100K Astartes were divided into "Chapters" of not more than 1K Astartes. The Black Templars are a Chapter _derivative_ from the Imperial Fists. So, yes, the Black Templars' Patriarch is Rogal Dorn. The Black Templars are also special because they abuse a loophole for the 1K Astartes limit. Which is "being in a crusade" so they basically consistently find excuses to say they're in a crusade.
23:09- The Space Wolves are also the only Space Marine Legion who have clearly violated the Codex Astartes, - the official rulebook on how a Space Marine Chapter should function written by the Ultramarines' Primarch Roboute Guilliman -, and the only reason why they haven't been punished is because their loyalty to the Emperor is pure hardcore that they're the sole exception to not "go by the book". They were also known to be the Emperor's personal execution squad as supposedly Leman Russ was responsible for eliminating the 2nd and 11th Legion, but he wouldn't confirm or deny this claim. 23:55- Yes, the Black Templars were originally a part of the Imperial Fists but following the formation after the Horus Heresy, they would be lead by the Emperor's Champion Sigismund and would have the belief that the Emperor of Mankind was a god. 24:48- Another way to point out what Bricky is talking about is this: if Rogal Dorn has negative opinions about you he will not keep it to himself, he will literally say it to your face. 26:44- His name is actually spelled as Konrad Curze as unfortunately the subtitles can't get it done properly 32:40- Ferrus Manus 36:06- It was called the Butcher's Nails and unfortunately Angron went through a horrendous experience as parts of his brain was removed in order to fit the Butcher's Nails into his head. 36:54- The Emperor knew about the Chaos Gods long before He created the Primarchs, but was ignorant in not telling them after finding His sons when He should've as it could've prevented the Horus Heresy or at the very least minimize the damage. 38:15- Roboute Guilliman 39:33- Not all of the Primarchs were able to have an empire of their own, - Angron wasn't even a ruler of his own homeworld as he was leading a failed rebellion at the time -, and while most would be the ruler of their home planet, Roboute Guilliman and Rogal Dorn were able to form an empire though the former had the largest empire that was second to the Imperium of Man. 40:22- Lion El'Jonson of the Dark Angels has also returned but more recently, Fulgrim of the Emperor's Children has returned for the Traitor's side.
7:08 In the Horus Rising book, Horus said that the Emperor made the primarch’s personality’s based off the 20 constellations of the Zodiac signs. Horus is supposed to be Sagittarius. :)
Was a bit distracted by life. But nice to see you got to this point. Now you've finished the 40k tutorial congrats 😆 The reason for the 2 lost legions is basically so the table top players can create their own faction, and it would still work in the lore. 2 unknown unofficial legions fighting each other would then still make sense. So in Lore those 2 are scrapped from the books, and anyone who thinks about talking about them gets disappeared and dies a painful torturous death
All good man! hope your doing well, Its been an interesting ride and I already have the next few Warhammer videos in mind! All great recommendations by you guys. Thank you for explaining that XD, its cool they can give fans the ability to customize on their own a bit as well. Hope you enjoyed the video :)
@@TheRealCenturion Yeah dude I love the vids. I enjoy when people learn about this crazy hobby of ours. Also Basically there's a rulebook for how you can customize your own legions with their own rules and mechanics with a pointbuy system to balance it all out.
@@TheRealCenturion Ohh side-note, Bricky said that the saying "Magnus did nothing wrong" is untrue.... THAT is untrue you just need to add the commas!!! Magnus did nothing, wrong.... He was told to do nothing he did that wrong
@@BlackMoridin I really appreciate that! Im just glad to have such a great audience watching, never thought people would be interested in my opinions or learning about subjects with me so I really cant thank you enough for that. Thats a cool way of doing it though, a point system would make the most sense, and you can mix and match how you would like.
So basically there are about a thousand chapters of space Marines (each has roughly around 1000 Marines) that descend from original 20 legions. So 1 original legion can have more than 50 successor chapters. Some have many (like Ultramarines or Imperial Fists) or very little (like Raven Guard or Salamanders). It depended on the amount of Marines in each legion after Heresy. For example: Imperial fists are an original legion. Some of their successors are: - Black Templars - Crimson Fists - Celestial Lions - Executioners - Exorcists and more Also some chapters can have mixed genetics and are experimental. Some of them even have gene-seed of traitor primarchs. Minotaurs are rumored to have Iron Warriors gene-seed in them, that makes them brutal, efficient and dirty fighters. Also some chapters' gene-seed is unknown (Blood Ravens for example)
Big E. Didn't make Angron to be angry (he didn't name him that) but it was the planet he landed on after Chaos Gods yeeted him and his brothers across the galaxy. He was actually supposed to be an empath that could make others feel less pain, in fact.
30:26 pretty much, the red thirst makes them have the desire to drink blood and eat fresh which does give them moments where they really want to tear people apart but sanguinis help them satisfied those urges through art and other peaceful pursuits, the hlack rage happened due to the death of their primarch as it was a psychic backlash since they truly loved their primarch, so during extremely emotional situations where it becomes far to much for the blood angel they can fall to the black rage causing them to see everyone who isn't a blood angel as Horus because horus is the one who gave their father an extremely brutal death so they become somehow more powerful with an extreme desire to Rip horus into pieces, there's only two outcomes for those who fall into the black rage, death company of mercy kill
16:07 His names is Perturabo but it is fun to just call him Peter Turbo because it kind of sounds similar and fits. Same with Roboute Guilliman aka Robust Gorillaman aka Rowboat Girlyman aka Robot Grillman and anything that just rhymes with the name. 22:50 I am not sure if this is true but Leman Russ supposedly acts like this to seem like he is dumber and brasher than he is. 23:50 Yes Rogal Dorn is Black Templars Primarch. There are the 9 original loyalist Legions that were divided into 1000 space marine Chapters. Black Templars are a Successor Chapter of Imperial Fists.
One reason the Ultramarines has ultra-depression is that they came late during the Horus Heresy. They think that they came at the wrong time right when it really counts. This became a chip on their shoulder.
Each space marine legion was between 50k-200k strong. At the end of the heresy, it was decided to split the legions into chapters 1000 strong. The black templars were one the chapter created from the imperial fists in what was known as the second founding.
Night Lords are quite literally Terror Shock Troops. Suddenly appear, do anything and everything they can to instill terror and despair among their targets, then disappear back into the shadows. On the upside, they're still not the Drukari (Dark Eldar). The sound clips before World Eaters is from Dragon Ball Z: Abridged. The Emperor forbade the use of the Butcher's Nails, but Angron did it anyway. Pretty much because "I have the Nails and I'M FINE! SHUT THE &$^# UP ABOUT THEM!" But the purpose of the Legion, originally named War Hounds, was to be the sledgehammer used to break a particularly difficult enemy. They are 1000% offense, 0% defense. If the World Eaters fall in their task, they still succeed because the foe can no longer put up any reasonable defense anymore. The Butcher's Nails simply made the task easier, while also making them susceptible to Khorne. The Thousand Sons are even more sympathetic than Bricky made them out to be. Magnus had long been distrusted by his Brothers for his and his legions high Psyker ability, fearing how Chaos could more easily influence the Legion. The Emperor even forbade the Thousand Sons use of their abilities while he thought about it. And while the Emperor was working on his own Webway, Magnus saw a vision of Horus' fall to Chaos and the resulting war to come. In his urgency to inform the Emperor, Magnus discarded the command against his abilities, and psychically reached out to warn the Emperor. In doing so, he destroyed the psychic wards the Emperor had placed around the Webway, tearing the fabric of space open to the Warp. The Emperor chastised Magnus extremely hard, then sent Leman Russ and the Space Wolves to bring Magnus to Terra. Horus intercepted Russ, and said the Emperor changed his mind, and wants the Thousand Sons, Magnus, and Prospero destroyed. Magnus literally did nothing wrong. He was trying to protect the Imperium and his Father. He didn't know about the Webway project, and it was Horus that pushed Magnus to Tzeentch out of desperation. All according to Tzeentch's plans, of course. Then the Rubric Marines themselves, further cursed by the spell intended to protect them from the harmful effects of the Warp. Alpha Legion being a traitor Legion... or not?... is because they'll show up to help Imperial worlds sometimes, while they'll also raid Imperial worlds. Alpharius and Omegon were approached by the Cabal, a secretive organization of numerous Xenos species that work against Chaos. They said they've seen visions of the future, and have come to two main possibilities from the Horus Heresy. 1) The Emperor wins, and mankind goes down a slow death, feeding the Chaos forces behind Horus until Chaos ultimately wins. 2) Horus wins, mankind is destroyed, and Chaos ends up starving because with the Eldar gone, Mankind's emotions and thoughts are the primary food source. Chaos dies, and the Galaxy ultimately wins. (I'm fairly certain the Cabal wasn't aware of the Tyranids at this time, cuz that seems like kind of a bigger threat in the long run.) They convinced Alpharius and Omegon to pledge Alpha Legion to Horus, help him win, and ultimately doom Mankind to extinction to fulfill their Father's desire to destroy the forces of Chaos for good. Since Horus did not win, however, the true alignment of Alpha Legion is unknown. I wonder if Bricky has done in depth videos into each Legion. 🤔
53:14 the ravenguard are very good at attacking key targets and other areas amongst the enemy battle line but corvus corax primarch ability was the ability to remove everyone ability to perceive him, basically invisibility but not at the same time as it doesn't work on cameras, his sons have weaker versions of this ability so it doesn't really matter if they are wearing one ton armor because once they drop down they can easily disappear and become background noise including their voices so you won't know they are there until you see one charging towards you but its already to late because before you realize you are in danger you already dead
Oh space marines have their own tanks that do specific things like predator tanks that are faster but more fragile than the guards leman russ tanks. They are mainly for transport and fire support. They usually also have air wings specific to space marines like the thunderhaw which is like a flying heavy weapons transport tank.
Space marines do in fact have their own armored, naval (space naval at least), and aerial assets. As expected they are generally better in every way compared to "normal" Imperial Guard vehicles - though the upper end of what the IG can field is actually higher (look up the Baneblade, Imperial Guard superheavy that has 11 barrels of hell). Generally Astartes doctrine revolves around getting their infantry where then need to be as fast and violently as possible - meaning many of their armored vehicles also double as troop transport for marines. This applies to naval as well - because the advantage an Astartes ship or tank has over other vehicles in normal long range combat is much less than the advantage they'd have if given the opportunity to get their infantry into play. And besides - its a much more glorious death to die in a boarding action than to just have your battle-barge blown up from long ranged weapons. It also helps that the elite heavy infantry of the marines (Terminators, 1st company veterans in even bigger suits of power armor) can actually teleport which is a nightmare for enemy vessels.
That makes a lot of sense! Sorry im getting back to you late! From what Ive seen so far everything is all about the troop transport, From Astartes to those SODAZ Animations , Space and Chaos marines seem to be huge on the idea of Breach and obliterate lol. And no ship can operate without a crew which they seem to do an amazing job at! I had no idea Terminators could teleport but thats insane lol. How far can they teleport? Hope you enjoyed as always :)
The space marine chapters will have the necessary vehicles to commit to combat without other groups backing them up if they have to, but generally speaking their vehicles are going to fit the "elite strike force" vibe. Better in a 1v1 match up, but who cares if your gunship is better 1v1 when the Navy is outnumbering your ships 50 to 1. When they are actually fighting alongside in a combined arms situation the marines are going to focus on doing marine things, and leave the tanks/artillery/etc. to the guard. (This is all *generally speaking* 40K is a big place)
The Black Templars didn't just have fleet assets in Helsreach, High Marshal Helbrecht was in overall command of all Imperial space forces involved in the conflict. We're talking dozens of Space Marine Chapters, multiple Imperial Navy battlefleets, and assorted auxiliaries. Unlike most other Chapters who are based on some sort of homeworld from which they recruit new recruits, the Black Templars "homeworld" is the heavily-modified Gloriana-class battleship "Eternal Crusader", a relic from the Dark Age of Technology. The entire Black Templars Chapter is fleet-based, on their Eternal Crusade to fight the enemies of the Emperor, and they're as such very adept at space combat. Space Marines have their own tanks and armoured support stuff, but lorewise they're more focused on overwhelming local force just like the Marines themselves, punching holes in enemy fortifications or lines to allow the Marines to punch through and break the enemy apart. There just aren't the numbers of them for the kind of large-scale engagements that the Imperial Guard engage in. The Guard also has a lot more and a lot heavier artillery, and the Space Marines don't have any true super-heavy tanks of their own since they're usually not about slowly grinding the enemy down.
2 and 11 have been redacted from the records as the Emperor most likely killed them when on the Great Crusade when he came across them, hence there's the symbol of the Inquisition for 2 and 11 as we aren't supposed to know anything 😊. In reality? 2 and 11 are left open for players to basically invent a legion to play as, yes you can literally invent them and play on the tabletop. Which is really cool when you think about it a nice lore friendly way to insert a custom army if you want to.
Space marine chapters often have territory of their own they protect and recruit from and stationed at. Usually most chapters will have only one planet, or one star system under their direct control, but there's a few odd ones, like some that r nomads and recruit from worlds they come across, or the Ultramarines, who control around 500 planets directly if I'm not mistaken. The missing two legions, legion 2 and 11, were gone long before the Horus Heresy, there's no solid answer on what they were like, who they were or what their gimmick was or why they were expunged from all historical records to begin with. However, we r given hints throughout 40k on what they may have been like and what they've done. First off, Primarchs like Sanguinius feared the Emperor purging his legion for their gene flaws, so much so it hinted that it's been done before. Also, all legions have a redundant pair, the Emperor made them this way incase something happened to one, he would have a backup, and with some thinking, we can pair these redundancies up: Blood Angels and World Eaters, both r melee bloodthirsty shock troops. Only one gave in and the other strove to be better. Dark Angels and the Alpha Legion, both specialized in being secrecy, being the hidden blades. White Scars and Space Wolves, both specialize in fast hit and run tactics. Salamanders and Death Guard, both have mutations for operating on more toxic death worlds. Ultramarines and Word Bearers, both favor administration duties rather than entirely on combat. Raven Guard and Night Lords, both the silent ambushers. Emperors Children and Iron Hands, both obsessed with perfection, just in different ways. Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors, both love defenses, one got the job the bring them down while the other to build them up. As u see, that leaves us two without a redundancy, leaving us to believe the missing two must have been the redundancies of the Sons of Horus and the Thousand Sons. So one must have been magic based like the Thousand Sons, and the other more offensive focused like the Sons of Horus. Which tracks in the lore, it's mentioned not the space marines themselves of the expunged legions were purged, they were integrated into other legions, mostly the Ultramarines and Imperials Fists, and after the heresy and Imperial Fists separated into successor chapters, the Soul Drinkers were from the most aggressive boarding squads, and after awhile their geneseed was analyzed and came up inconclusive, so they probably originally came from the expunged legion that was a redundancy from the Sons of Horus
40:17 to tell you the timeline, roboute return after the fall of cadia and the formation of the great rift which was the eye of terror when it covered half of the galaxy, Magnus and mortarion for the traitors, angron and lion El'jonson return during the arks of omen, the arks of omen was the event dealing with a new player from chaos known as vashtorr the arkifane a greater demon of Chaos undivided, the weapon smith and master of the forge of souls who has a strong desire to join the great game and become the 5th chaos god, this year fulgrim have been confirmed so far to return for the traitors unsure for the loyalist side
2nd and 11th Legion were condemned to Damnatio Memoriae, all knowledge about those 2 factions has been removed from Imperial records... however, in some of the novels, there is mention of both but people curious about em are met with bolter to the face. All the Primarchs know what happened to them, but if they are asked about it, they look at you like you are carrying one of Nurgle's turds in your hand. In table-top, there is a 2nd and 11th Legion, now you decide what to do next, whether being loyal or traitor, is up to you. Games Workshop did this in order to keep the fans and gameplay interesting.
5:09 there were originally 20 primarchs but 2 of them were deleted from the Imperial Records cause of the thinks they did…and no Primarch dares to talk about there 2 forgotten brothers
15:05 Perturabo is extremely whiny manchild, that is true. However: he is really treated badly by emps. He is siege, architecture, mechanics and warfare savant. And i mean absolute savant. But he treats living being including his sons as nothing but numbers. Humanity is not something he understands or purposefully denies. He has been used as nothing but tool for his savant mind by his surrogate father on his home planet to conquer it. He had been given worst most grueling and least rewarding jobs, campaigns and duties while in service of the emperor. Essentially was treated by him the same way. On Horus side he had to be the only one to command a completely deunified crazed drugged possessed and dishonest collection of forces from all traitor legions that Horus side essentially devolved into at this point of the story. One of his brothers essentially almost sacrificed him to his patron good too ascend into demon, yet perty survived. AND HE ESSENTIALLY WON THE SIEGE AGAINST ROGAL DORN. and he knew it. But he was sick of being treated as a tool by either side. He proved his point and evacuated his forces letting rest do whatever they wanted. And all he really dreamt about all his life was to build utopian cities, not wage war, but was to big of a psy to do anything about it. I love perty dearly
The 2nd Primarch/Legion is the "Forgotten" and the 11th is the "Purged" namesake wise. We know that Leman Russ took out the 11th Primarch but not what went wrong and he did maybe with the 2nd too. But it's also possible that the 2nd is just on a super secret mission and we all just don't know. All we know is that the 2nd Primarch was kinda liked by his brothers, even Horus and his bois, and that when talked about the Primarchs are all silent, discourage disussion and are extremely sad about what happend.
The Irony is During the Great Crusade the Night Lords had the best success rate for compliance. Fear Tactics is breaking the morale of entire worlds before a shot was fired. Max compliance rate, with minimum casualties. The Flesh Is Weak. But Deeds Endure Vuklan to Ferrus In Angrons story the Emperor truly is the Bad guy, that said, if one of your Sons is going to fall to Korne better the Slave than the Angel. Since Bricky made this Video Lion 'L' Johnson has returned to the setting, along with Angron. and sometime this year 2025 Fulgrim is coming out, they showed his Model on Christmas day. Magnus was told to do nothing, He did that Wrong. Everything I do from this point on, I Do for the Imperium. Alpharius? moments before he 'falls' to Chaos.
I'd recommend Weshammer if you wanna dive into the lore more as you start reading. The Core Book is a great buy as well for tons of great art, lore on current factions, and even a short story from modern day 40k. Some of the legions got done pretty dirty by Bricky in this video, but i still dig his content
I appreciate the recommendation! Ive had Weshammer be suggested a few times so ill have to check him out sometime! I do feel like Bricky glosses over things at times but I can understand why because theres just so much to fit in and his videos would probably be hours long if he did, which would probably take his so long to put together in editing and everything. I really appreciate his videos as starter videos though because he gives you the basics and allows for you to go explore on your own in a sense! I hope you enjoyed the video! :)
I highly recommend my watch "Every single Primarch explaind" by the channel "More Lore". You get a great insight what happend around 30k and the great Crusade and how how things got to the point they did and why the specific Primarchs did pick the sides they did. It may be 1.15 h long video but you will appreciate watching it
Space marine tanks are alot bigger than Imperial guard tanks since they need to fit space marines inside. And they have much better tech. As far as I know its the same for space ships, they actually get nice stuff and decent sleeping quarters and all that sutff.
Also if you'd like to pearn a bit kore abour 2 and 11 legion, i atrongly strongly strongly recommend Abritor Ian's channel. He has great video where he pulls all the lore tidbits there are to try to reconnect the dots into viable whole. Plus his channel is overall gem anyway. Awesome in depth lore about particular situations, imo very corrwct attitude one should have to the hobby (as in: not a lore fascist, and proper enthusiasm) and great delivery (videos about battles are shown on interactive map with forces markers changing colours and moving to positions in real time etc) and great 20ish minutes long videos about each legion in turn giving you great lore basics. Enough jokes to be entertaining yet less memey than Bricky, giving you more solid/actual lore (as much as i love Bricky he can sometimes overmeme or oversimplify stuff)
As always, Link to Bricky's Video and channel are in the description, go give him some love!
Loving the support guys. Motivation to make content is at an all time high and its all thanks to you guys, so hit that like button, and subscribe for more content, love you guys :)
See you in the next one!
Be sure to take things at your own pace, there's a lot to take in✌️ Once you have most of the Horus Heresy down, should be easier to navigate the lore.
Love your videos, if you want very good lore videos that are accurate I would recommend the Templin Insitute. One of their best Videos, in my opinion, is called "Lord Commander Dante | Warhammer 40,000" it is about the current Chapter Master of the Blood Angels and is some of the most epic, currently relevant, lore.
after the horus heresy gorillaman made the codex astartes and ordered the splitting the legions into chapters, chapters are required to have no more than a thousand astartes to prevent a civil war like the heresy to never happen again. (except) Black templars hating the codex, rule lawyered going on a perpetual crusade ignoring the restriction having between 1000 and 10000 astartes.
@@wandererz1724 I really appreciate you saying that! Glad to have such a great audience watching with me!
Ill add that to the list for sure! thank you for the recommendation! :)
Quick info on the 2nd and 11th legion is that they were so messed up that they were expunged from history, their primarchs deleted and their legions numbers absorbed by other legions
Ahhhh, so their the, Dont ask or else legions XD
To be fair the references are vague enough that determining if they were messed up, or they made some massive mistakes, or were wiped out in a failure.
There are other parts and subtleties that imply perhaps one of those primarchs may be imprisoned on terra.
So there were 21 primarchs, the 20th being split in the twins. There are 19 named. So “18” sons.
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@@TheRealCenturion Yeah the Primarchs were really bad and/or probably chaos worshippers when the Emperor came into contact with them so he eradicated the Primarchs and gave over the Astartes to other Primarchs.
@@hordegaming4771in some lore they were remembered fondly by other primarchs and that they didn't deserve being deleted. To me that indicates that they didn't turn traitor but some other disaster happened. Perhaps major gene seed failure, or them falling victim to some enemy.
Yes, Black Temlpars are a successor chapter of imperial fists.
@@chadwhitfield6946 I am impressed that he put that together.
36:36 Angron is perfect example of Big E essentially effing up and pushing his son towards rebellion by being stupid and treating them like tools.
Angron essentially loved his fellow slave gladiators and the fact he had to fight and kill them was abhorrent to him. And that's the reason he got implanted with butchers nails.
He led the rebellion (Spartacus like) that led them into mountains where they were finally surrounded. As he was preparing to die alongside his brother's and sisters on the battle the next day, emperor arrived, trying to convince him to take control over his legion. He said he'd rather die with his fellows. So E returned to ship and just before the battle he teleported Angron away, leaving remaining rebels to be slaughtered.
Angron hates him for it and hates his legion. Hates himself, and hates everything. He even says that he himself is already dead, and died with his brothers and sisters on Nuceria.
Imagine how broken that already broken man was when he returned to Nuceria one day only to learn that he himself is known now as symbol of betrayal and abandoning one's fellows.
Poor, poor Angron.
When these 9 loyalist legions were split into smaller chapters after the Horus Heresy, the most zealous of the Imperial Fists formed The Black Templars. Yes, Rogal Dorn is their genefather. The Templars immediately went on crusade. They are still on that crusade. The Eternal Crusade.
Just an add on;
In the Codex Astarties, each chapter can have no more than 1000 Space Marines.
LOOP HOLE!
Each chapter can have a sub chapter
Black Templars sub chapters are all called Black Templars.
Also, don't call your fully modified new space Marines, space Marines.. no no.. call them neophytes... Each chapter can have thousands of neophytes....
Hope this helps
Cheers
-Alpharious-
@@beatooze8025 No brother the loop hole is that Chapters are not allowed to exceed the 1000 marine limit, unless they're on a Crusade. To which the Black Templars decided that they would always be on a Crusade, and have been for the past 10k years. For new chapters to be founded, the Imperium has to agree to create a whole new bunch of them, it doesn't just happen. They're called "Foundings" and there have been around 28 of them or so
@@ironduke5058 you are correct. Honorable battle brother, your Primarch would be proud of your knowledge of his book. For only a true son of Gilliman would find it necessary to expand upon a simple yet understandable interpretation of the procedures and rules contained within.
Your mind is as sharp as Sicarius's blade and your tongue just as quick.
Blessed be the God Emperor.
(Lol! Now that's how Space Marines throw shade 😁)
Now all joking aside. You are absolutely right, and that is what I was trying to get through with the ability to make sub-chapters on the fly.
Now, I must take my leave. I have a 4:30 Crusade that I need to get to. Xenos won't kill themselves... Unless... *Yells down a hallway*
"Hey Steve, I got a great idea!! Get your sword.. and a bucket!!"
Cheers
-Alpharious-
Answering for my boys The Raven Guard: think of them as masters in the art of ambush. Call the Officio Assassinorum when you need a high profile person eliminated. Send the Raven Guard when you need an armored column to disappear with no trace of who’s even responsible.
23:30 Yes, the Black Templars are a Second Founding chapter descended from the Imperial Fists, which is why they aren't in this video. There are a thousand or so canonical descendant chapters of the original ones, but the Black Templars are the most famous and most supported on the tabletop.
There is a 5 minute or so animation that he used a couple clips here. Don't remember the exact title, but "Imperial Fists vs Iron Warriors" will bring it up. I love the Iron Warriors, and loved seeing them get roasted.
i got Space Marines 2 when it came out, with no prior knowledge and after finishing the game i went down the same rabbit hole you're currently going down. spent almost a grand on miniatures and supplies so far. the addiction becomes REAL. welcome brother.
I haven't watch the video yet but i will in advance drop quick distinction so you know what is what: when talking about legions, we are talking about 30k era when blood angels, dark angels et all were counting hundred - two hundred thousand marines each.
When talking about chapters we are talking about 31k onwards essentially (post Horus Heresy) where legions were divided into chapters each having around 1-2k marines only. It has been done so never to give asuch power to single individual as there was during Legions time. So onechapter kept their legion name (known as first founding chapter), and other ones took new names (and are known as second founding)
ah thank you for making that distinction! Ill try to keep that in mind!
That makes a lot of sense why there were broken up like that!
@@TheRealCenturionYeah, there were only 20 legions, which ranged from 80k-250k marines each. In modern 40k I believe it’s estimated that there are about 1000 chapters of 1000 marines each, though Guilliman’s return may have increased that slightly… The big deal with chapters is that since there are so many and not all are described in lore, this incentivizes people to homebrew and make their own unique chapter either for tabletop or just enjoyment of the lore.
The animation at 15 is the trailer for the Horus heresy tabletop wargame.
Oh it looks sweet!
The Lion and Angron are playable, and they just revealed Fulgrim's model in late december.
first 40k joke: Bricky being stuck in the walls of the Schola Progenium references the fact that the orphanage put kids in the walls as punishment and then paved them over with concrete when they rebuilt the school.
and yes, the Lion has also returned. A loyalist clone of Fulgrim also exists, but GW probably wont make him playable. good thing i dont care about the wargame and only play the tabletop RPGs so i can do whatever the fuck i want, including a Primarchs only game. lol
oh my god XD
@@TheRealCenturionYeah they didn't do it for no reason btw, there was a year that a whole class from the school rebelled because they didn't like the way they were being treated. They took this all the way to the head principal and there was a real risk that they could incite the whole school to riot.
The principal took all this all, nodded his head, sighed, called in an armed force and forced every single kid from the class into a pit. As they all screamed for mercy and forgiveness and promised they'd never do it again, they sound of cement trucks backing up were heard. The pits were filled up and after the cement hardened, it was chiseled around their screaming faces and outstretched hands and used as walls to line the hallways.
And that's why you respect the Schola Progenium lmao
16:00 that was from the Horus Heresy cinematic trailer
Technically, all Space Marine can eat their enemies and gained information through it. But most Chapters rarely do that apart from Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Flesh Eaters
oh really? I imagine its probably not the best look tbf XD.
9:18 *AND THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED*
Dude you are absolutely killing it with these reactions!
Now that we're starting to get more primarch information, I wanted to share one of my favorite tidbits regarding Rowbooty Gorillaman:
The Battle of Calth is when Lorgar (traitor primarch) enacted his plan of betrayal against his loyalist brothers, being one of the very first battles to basically kick off the Horus Heresy. The Word Bearer fleet suddenly turned guns on the nearby Ultramarine fleet and shit hit the fan. After having the bridge of his ship attacked, Guilliman was sucked out into the vacuum of space to the horror of his sons. Believing their primarch to be lost, an Ultramarine Sergeant led a squad in an attempt to fend off the now-traitor Word Bearer marines. This eventually led them to fighting outside on the hull of the 26km long flagship ship, when suddenly...
(Sergeant's POV:) "Something wings him in the shoulder.
No, it's a hand. A hand dragging him backwards.
Guilliman pushes Thiel aside and propels himself towards the Word Bearers. His armored feet bite into the hullskin as he gains traction. He seems vast, like a titan. Not an engine of Mars. A titan of myth.
His head is bare. Impossible. His skin is bleached with cold. His mouth opens in a silent scream as he smashes into them.
He kills one. He crushes the legionary's head into his chest with the base of his fist. Globules of blood squirt sideways, jiggling and jostling. The body topples back in slow motion.
Guilliman turns, finds another, punches his giant fist through the legionary's torso, and pulls it out, ripping out his backbone. A third comes, eager for the glory of killing a primarch. Thiel guns him apart with his reloaded boltgun, two-handed brace, feet anchored.
The fourth storms in.
Guilliman twists and punches his head off. Clean off. Head and helm as one, tumbling away like a ball, trailing beads of blood."
"From the void came a demi-god clad in armour of cobalt and pearl, an inaudible roar distorting his usually calm visage. It was Roboute Guilliman, Primarch of the Ultramarines, and he was as a raw force of nature, his usual measured demeanor driven out by cold fury as he slew Word Bearers by the dozen. As incredible as the fact of the Primarch surviving the destruction of the bridge was, what would mystify future generations of gene-smiths was the fact that the Emperor's son wore no battle helm. He had fought for ten hours in a vacuum without any apparent oxygen supply, a feat that even the preternatural physiology of the Primarchs could not entirely account for."
That sounds like an awesome scene! May i ask what book thats from? Sounds like it would certainly be worth a read!
Thats a really great perspective at the different "levels" of power there are to , that even something as supposedly strong as a space marine can just be literally punched and killed.
I really hope you enjoyed the video!
Thank you for sharing that!
@@TheRealCenturion the book is Know No Fear!
And always happy to share haha I honestly don't really comment a lot on UA-cam but your reactions have been awesome and it's always nice to have someone who is engaged in learning new stuff!
40:10 yes, this has changed. in terms of the loyalists, we now have Lion El'johnson for the dark angels, and in terms of traitors, in addition to Magnus and Mortarion mentioned in the video, Angron is on the loose, and Fulgrim just got announced.
Bricky in the begin of the video mentioned the space marine sub-factions so in case you were curious I will give a simple explanation. After the Horus heresy Roboute Guilliman the Primarch of the 13th legion created the codex astartes which would split the remaining loyalist legions into chapters each contain only a thousand space marines which would each be lead by a chapter master. there are two types of chapters for you to know founding chapters and successor chapter. Founding chapters are the legions that you learned in this video but reduce to only a thousand members, the other being successor chapters made up of rest of the members of each legion. a notable successor chapter is the Black Templars which are a successor chapter of the Imperial Fist.
9:20 There is a company of space Marines inside the Dark Angels called The Raven wing. They wear the winged hussar wings on the backs of their bikes
Careful not to confuse with legion XIX Raven Guard
The primarchs were yeeted from earth and raise on other planets. Angron got the nails from the people there, not the Emperor. The Emperor still fucked up with Angron, but not in that way 😂
Ah got yeah XD
thank you for explaining
Hope you enjoyed the video!
One time the Night Lords were doing thier usual thing and got attacted by a loyalist space Marines chapter called the Space Sharks. The Night Lords were butchered and brutalised by the Space Sharks and the Night Lords were so surprised at how violent and brutal these grey armored Space Marines were. It was even more unnerving because Space Sharks was just quite while doing it.
Plus a Night Lord name Skraivok once challenged Blood Angels 1st captain Raldoron, it didn't end well for Skraivok lol.
‘Raldoron?’ said Skraivok. ‘The Raldoron?’ He made a few passes with his sword, revelling in its lightness, in its killing edge. ‘This will be a day to celebrate, the day I slew the hero of the Blood Angels!’ He saluted, and declaimed pompously, ‘I am Gendor Skraivok, the Painted Count, Lord Commander of the Night Lords Legion, and I am your end.’
The Blood Angel was unimpressed. ‘Never heard of you,’ he said, and came in to attack, his power sword buzzing. Skraivok laughed and parried. The daemon sword moved with a mind of its own to block the blow so fast Raldoron was almost taken down by Skraivok’s riposte, only a wild slicing deflection turning it aside. A second strike was thus deflected by Raldoron, and a third. The First Captain of the Blood Angels was as good as his reputation suggested, but Skraivok was filled with sorcerous foreknowledge and supernatural speed. He saw an opening, and moved in for the kill.
He missed. He was too slow. Raldoron sidestepped the blow and twisted it aside with a slight flick of his blade. Skraivok stepped back. The delicious feeling of power was gone. The world lost its sheen. He was in the rain, on the wall, surrounded by the dead, and he could not beat this man.
Panic gripped Skraivok’s gut. The blade was heavy. It would not respond as it had. Where before it accentuated his skills, lending him greater speed and strength, now it did nothing. Raldoron pressed his attack, battering at Skraivok with a flurry of blows that he could barely deflect. The daemon had deserted him.
‘No,’said Skraivok. ‘It cannot be!’ Raldoron’s power sword banged against the edge of Skraivok’s blade, sending him stumbling backwards. ‘That always was the problem with your Legion, Night Lord,’ said Raldoron. ‘You are quick with your torturer’s knives, but so few of you are worthy warriors.’
Raldoron swung his sword overarm, building momentum into a blow that would cut a power-armoured warrior in two. Skraivok parried it only just in time, stepping back and nearly tripping on the corpse of a Night Lord. Raldoron followed with another blow, and another. Skraivok struggled to stop him. He was so fast. Skraivok was a Space Marine captain, and more than a passable swordsman, but Raldoron was a hero of the Imperium whose name was known across the galaxy.
Raldoron attacked with greater ferocity. Skraivok’s arm was numb from deflecting the blows. He forayed a few attacks, but they put him in more danger, as Raldoron caught and countered every one. His latest riposte was turned away, and Raldoron’s power blade scraped sparks up the side of his breast-plate. ‘Atramentar!’ Skraivok called, his panic rising. ‘To me!’ If they heard, they could do nothing; they fought the Blood Angels Dreadnought still, their number reduced to three. ‘Night Lords! Help me!’ His power pack scraped on rockcrete. He had his back to the outer crenellations, and could retreat no further. Raldoron faced him. His sword energy field buzzed in the downpour. ‘Listen to you,’ Raldoron said. ‘The masters of fear. You are cowards, like all cruel men.’
Raldoron’s power sword slashed across Skraivok’s chest, breaking open the ceramite and severing his power cabling. The Painted Count staggered, unbalanced by the sudden loss of energy to his war-plate’s systems. Raldoron lunged forwards, stunning Skraivok further with a blow to the face from the punch guard of his sword. Cracks crazed over Skraivok’s eye-lenses. His faceplate systems fizzed and broke down into a display of meaningless blocks. He feebly attempted to parry, but Raldoron smashed it aside and turned the blade downwards, his own sword cutting deep into Skraivok’s greave, cleaving through ceramite, undersuit and flesh, and sliding into the bone. Skraivok staggered to the side, slipped and fell backwards into the chute of a crenel. A wedge-shaped gap between merlons, the crenel sloped down and narrowed towards the edge. Skraivok scrabbled at the smooth, polished plascrete of the surface, and succeeded only in making himself slide towards the killing drop.
A red boot on his wounded leg pinned him in place. Skraivok cried out in pain. Raldoron leaned forwards to address him.
‘You are and always were an evil Legion. You took the Emperor’s mission and twisted it. Selfish. Monstrous. Tormentors of the weak,’ snarled Raldoron. ‘If Horus had not turned, I would have gladly led the hunt for your kind myself. I thank you from my heart that you came to my sword and saved me the trouble of looking.’ He shifted the weight of his foot, bringing another cry from Skraivok. ‘Wait!’ the Painted Count said. ‘I give you my surrender. You beat me. I am your prisoner!’
‘There can be no prisoners in this war,’ said Raldoron. ‘How much mercy have you shown to all those that you harmed? I have as much mercy for you as you had for them. Now get off my wall.’
He shoved hard with his foot, sending Skraivok skidding towards the drop. The Night Lord dropped the daemon sword to grip at the polished rockcrete with both of his hands, but there was no purchase on the blood-slick surface. He managed to brace himself on the merlon’s rounded corners with his elbows, and for a moment he thought he might save himself. He looked up to see the Blood Angel still staring at him.
‘You are a pompous man,’ Skraivok said. Raldoron raised his bolt pistol. Screaming in defiance, Skraivok shoved himself over the edge, whence he plummeted, reaching terminal velocity long before he hit the ground and the stone broke him.
Standing up for the Night Lords - Konrad was very right in using terror tactics - from what I remember, in one of the books one of his primarch-brothers accused him of unnecessary cruelty during the Great Crusade, before they went rouge. To which he replied that the Night Lords kill several thousand people, in a terrible way, skin them and broadcast it for the whole planet to see, causing the rest of the forces to surrender, instead of fighting honorably and murdering millions in a classic form of war. Quite a sensible argument if you ask me...
You know... when you consider it is it a small portion of society suffers tremendously so that literally millions dont have to die... there is an argument there... especially considering there is WAYY worse things that could happen to you!
@@TheRealCenturion Especially since it eventually led to a situation where planets and whole systems that rebelled against Imperium "straightened out" very quickly as soon as the Night Lords fleet appeared nearby. Which unfortunately didn't always work, to quote:
"We have received your offer of surrender and reject it; we did not come to receive your supplication but to enact judgement. The time to surrender has long passed. The verdict is writ by your own hands. Now is the time to die.” -Night Lords multi-channel vox-broadcast, the Pacification of Listrantia IV 😶
Yeahhhh... But normally, life under the people who implement those kind of tactics is pretty horrible.
Those lives will still most likely be lost, just much more slowly and much more painfully.
Not everyone reacts to fear in the same way, there always be those willing to stab you in the back, and that's what happened when Konrad left.
7:17 they are composite of many things: the purpose emperor wanted them to fulfill, combined with culture of the world they ended up on and how big mistakes has emperor made about treating them one way or another.
40:20 Lion El'Johnson has a (pretty slick) model now too
The Alpha Legion is so secretive and confusing that even Tzeentch is totally confused.
Everyone is basically Alpharius, posing as Omegon, who is posing as Alpharius, who thinks he is Omegon but is a sleeper Agent faking Alpharius, who is actually Omegon, who is posing as Alpharius, but that's also a lie in the end.
God thats like some faceless man From GOT on crack right there XD
@@TheRealCenturion Hydra Dominatus
@@nightstorm5914
Greetings Brother Alpharius. Did Brother Alpharius sent you to meet Brother Alpharius?
@@BeatmasterAC No Alpharius, i was sent by brother Omegon to tell Alpharius about our next Mission
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nice. Carry on Brother Alpharius.
It's...like acception stages...When you are a newbie you like "Wait!!! I need to know!!!! What happened to 2nd and 11th?!", then you like: "Ok! It was created for people who wanted to make their own legion in tabletope"...And the final stage is when you put on your very serious face and with heart full of joy say:"We don't talk about 2nd and 11th."😁
Wdym, there were never a 2nd or 11th legion
22:35 that’s something all space marines can do, not exclusive to the space wolves
now we just need the 5th episode of Secret Level :)
"I would have liked to see the skies of Baal one last time"
😢
From the words of John Warhammer himself Co-Founder Richard “Rick” Priestly in regards to what happened to the 2ed and 11th
“Interesting piece and lot's of interesting and credible theories there! I have no more idea than anyone else what the truth of the matter is, of course. The backstory has certainly evolved and acquired some mass of detail since I first drew up that list of Space Marine Chapters and their Primarchs. I'm not really familiar with a lot of that material either, but it's nice to know that the spirit of the thing has been preserved and even nurtured. I will make just one observation - and it's about the intent of the missing legions - where I think GW have perhaps taken a slightly different tack than I had in mind. Not that this matters of course, and I appreciate that in creating a series of books about the Heresy a lot of things I always intended to be unknowable or semi-mythical had to be addressed directly; something I could never have foreseen when I wrote Rogue Trader. The intent is this: that the removal of records and obliteration of the memory of these Lost Legions was not a punishment but a reward - rather than being purged they were being absolved - - and this was based on the assumption they had done something utterly terrible (naturally!) but then done something equally positive to earn redemption. Or think of it as a stain that cannot be erased except by extinction. The Chaos Chapters are unforgiven - out and out bad guys
- but the Lost Legions, whatever their deeds, have been forgiven and the stain upon their reputation erased with their memory. At least that was the idea... but times change don't they ;)”
From what we know of the last goings on of the 2ed and 11th we can presume this.
When the 2ed and 11th engaged in the first or second Rangdan Xenocides and most likely the 11th was taken control of by the Xenos mind control abilities and killed the 2ed. The 11th himself was either killed by the forces of The Lion&Russ sent to end the Xenocides or the 11th was captured and placed in the Imperial dungeon deep within the Blackstone prison.
Rogal Dorn has this to say From “The Scions of the Emperor: anthology” -
“Malcador goes on to tell Rogal that, he and Guilliman devised a plan to hide their memories of their brothers and themselves. They gave Malcador permission to do the deed.
Here Malcador gives Rogal his memories back, briefly so that he may remember why his two brothers must remain lost and forgotten:
"'I will show you,' said Malcador. 'For this instant, I will let you remember. You will know why the lost must remain a mystery!”
He did not question what Malcador had shown him.
Dorn knew his own mind, enough to be certain that the Sigillite had not projected some conjured illusion into his thoughts. Awakening from the induced reverie, barely seconds had passed, but for the primarch he felt the weight of days upon him. The Sigillite, for all his allusions, was nowhere to be seen when Dorn opened his eyes.
There was still much that the psyker had said and done which the Imperial Fist did not accept, and although Malcador had professed to have been truthful with him, Dorn had doubts that would never ebb.
But not in this matter. In this, he was certain.
The lost were gone, and it was well that they were.
The grand misfortunes that befell them crumbled in Dorn's mind, but they left behind certainty.
What came to pass could overshadow everything.
Dorn knew that now. 'The raw, hateful truth is clear to me. If they were here with us now... This war would already have been lost!' "
Thank you for getting those quotes and explaining!
Its a interesting concept that it is viewed that they "made up for" their sins in a way and the best reward for that was to simply be forgotten. Personally I think i prefer it that way but obviously it doesnt take away from anything.
Is that the only time to your knowledge that there was any reference of the 2nd and 11th?
Thanks again for sharing that!
Hope you enjoyed the video!
@@TheRealCenturion firstly, thank you for your response. I’ve been absolutely loving the videos! Your ability to absorb and come to natural, often shockingly accurate conclusions is just good content. Watching your Helsrach reactions is fast becoming my pre-work ritual 🤣
Secondly, I’m more than happy to pool as many sources regarding what’s know of the 2ed and 11th as possible for you. I’ve read all Heresy Era & Conteperary Era (Time of Ending - Era indomitus) 40k novels. My concern would be posting something so dense here it may not translate well. So below I’ll post some minor references and when I get home I’m more than happy to DM you the Doc containing a more comprehensive list for your own reading pleasure.
- “The First Heritic” By: Aaron Dembski-Bowden (ADB) -
'Are some chances not worth taking?' asked the Chaplain.
'Some are. This one is not.'
'But the Eleventh Legion-'
'Is expunged from Imperial record for good reason. As is the Second. I'm not saying I don't feel temptation creeping over me, brother. A single sword thrust piercing that pod, and we'd unwrite a shameful future!
Dagotal cleared his throat. 'And deny the Ultramarines a significant boost in recruitment numbers!
Xaphen regarded him with emotionless eyes, seeming to weigh the merit of such a thing.
'What?' Dagotal asked the others. 'You were thinking it, too. It's no secret!
'Those are just rumours,' Torgal grunted. The assault sergeant didn't sound particularly certain.
'Perhaps, perhaps not. The Thirteenth definitely swelled to eclipse all the other Legions around the time the Second and Eleventh were “forgotten" by Imperial archives!'
Enough of this insipid conjecture, came the disembodied voice again.
- “Fulgrim: The Palatine Phoenix” By: Josh Reynolds -
“But was it his hand that was destined to do so?”
The Wolf-King (Leman Russ) thought not.
The others seemed to share his disdain.
Fulgrim bowed his head, suddenly weary.
Seven voices, raised in doubt.
Seven brothers, arrayed against the eighth. Even the normally contemplative master of the Second had broken his silence to accuse Fulgrim of hubris.
Fulgrim snorted. There was an old Terran saying, about pots and - kettles. He'd refrained from sharing it at the time.
His quiet brother had no sense of humour that he was aware of. Perhaps that was why he spoke so little.
Just off the top there’s also one short mention in “False Gods” By: Graham McNeill - where Horus is watching the scattering and before Erda actually scatters the Primarchs he looks into the 11ths pod and notes all of the potential that will never be.
43:06 The thousand sons are not all spirits. Magnus’ second in command attempted to save the legion from rampant uncontrollable mutations through a spell called the Rubric. This spell turned all non-psychers in the legion into dust, and the psychers remained as they were. Now the psychers are able to direct the Rubric Marines as automotons. Each Thousand Sons warband is a group of psychers in a loose command structure and a ton of ghosts piloting power armor
Peter Turbo = a word play on Perturabo :D
Was curious whether Perturabo was itself some sort of wordplay, so I went to Google Translate. It is apparently Latin for, "I will disturb." I expected "I am disturbed," but that is "Conturbor."
I also discovered that Angron is Javanese for "Farmer."
Black Templars chapter of the so-called Second Founding, they once been Imperial Fists.
Hey, I'm Polish and thanks a lot for mentioning our Winged Hussars!
No problem! Gotta give credit where its due!
Hope you enjoyed the video :)
37:05 "I feel like the Emperor really fucked up there. That was a really big lapse of judgement"
Congrats, you have discovered basically all of the reasons why the Horus Heresy happened.
16:49 each space marine chapter is a completely autonomous fighting force. they have their own navy, tanks, armored transports, artillery, siege vehicles, scouts, etc. obviously a limited selection and mostly in "space marine flavor", meaning fairly mobile, but sacrificing a bit of firepower and durability in some cases (not all, thunderhawks and land raiders are beasts), for quick, but hard strikes. in sheer firepower they mostly cant measure up to the Astra Militarum (which is imperial guard + imperial navy and some other branches). a space marine chapter also doesnt just consist of marines, but tens of thousands of support personnel, just like in the real world (especially back in medieval times, when they often traveled with the knights)
22:31 someone probably already mentioned it, but all marines can do that. its via one of the organs they get implanted. fun fact: marines can also spit acid (except the fists)
36:46 no, the marines were perfectly "normal" when angron got assigned his legion, at least as far as im aware. where big E messed up is treating angron like dirt. its a story worth looking into, for example in brickys adeptus ridiculous podcast about angron (+ the world eaters one; they twin the episodes on primarchs and their legions)
52:56 the assassinorum largely works for the more regular human forces, i.e. guard generals, inquisitors and other high ranking units. space marines dont really make use of them for one, because they are autonomous, but also (i guess) because many dont really like humans that much/regard them as unreliable and trust imperial secret agents even less. after all, space marines are supposed to serve the emperor and his sons first and foremost, not "normal" humans.
also ravenguard, in addition to being just really good at it and possibly having a passive psychic power that makes people ignore them, also have specialized gear. silently running and muffled power armor, cloaks that actively camouflage, sensor suites in their beaks, etc.
also about the alpha legion: bricky said "where the ravenguard use stealth and sabotage" as if the AL doesnt do that. iirc they literally have a unit called Saboteur, a special character, that can enter the battlefield on the enemies board edge and start blowing up their vehicles (or structures, but people rarely bring those).
also a neat thing about the alpha legion: since their numerals are all in roman, they are XX, or a mirrored X, which stands for its twin primarchs. (though only one of them is still alive, not sure which one. as in no one really is.)
Raven Guard and Officio Assassinorum are separate factions. its like asking why have Imperial Guard when you have Space Marines. one is force of Imperium and another independent force tied to Empire. what government wants to depend on willfull force?
Ah i see, so its the case of their, their own independent organizations working within or for the collective empire.
(Example)
So while the CIA COULD ask the FBI for help, they reallyyyy dont want to so they have their own units.
Am I understanding it correctly?
@@TheRealCenturion no, not quite. Space Marines more akin to private army of feudal lords, lords being Primarchs.they go wherever, do whatever they like. Raven Guard just happens to enjoy stealth. Empire can ask Space Marine for help but like your best friend, they can tell you to kick rocks at 2am. Empire needs its own special forces that answers directly to them without question. there reason Imperial Guard and Space Marine's separate factions, politics
So with the Thousand Sons, they were Psykers BEFORE turning to Chaos due to Magnus' geneseed. They also suffered a genetic defect like other legions, called "the flesh change". This lead to the legion's top sorcerer casting a spell in an attempt to cure the defect, which only ended up turning every marine in the legion into automatons made from dust. The only survivors of the spell were sorcerers, since it only affected those who had little psychic ability
More than "assassins" the Raven Guard are more the "ambush" specialists.
While the salamanders definitely are the most notable for caring about civilians, they are not the only legion who does. The space wolves and the Raven guard are two legions who also care.
Black Templar's are a second founding of the imperial fist. After the heresy they split the leagons into 1000 marine chapters. The second founding was the first time they made new chapters after the first leagons.
I find it funny how most reactions don't even register that the 2nd Legion got skipped too
someone already said it but its pretty important imo to know that every single space marine can gain memories from eating peoples brains its not a space wolf thing, maybe they do it more often? but they all can and do do it
About the primarchs...the emperor did not "raise" them as the chaos gods spread their birthing pods all over the galaxy and so the became victims of circumstance on the respective worlds the ended up on. Angron just got unlucky.
39:36 they take custody over world and or systems and that's two way streak - they get recruits from those worlds, but they also protect them because... Well whatever made people there good enough to be considered for recruitment they want to keep them alive. How and what differs from chapter to chapter.
44:41 thousand sons in short. Were psykers from the beginning, heavy psykers, but big problems with gene stability (spontaneous mutations of "spawn/meathulk" variation). Almost reduced to 0 because of it. When Magnus rejoined them there was literally 1k of them left. Rebuilt because his psykiness granted them stability (they didn't know at the time that Magnus not knowingly made a pact with Tzeentch himself for it, who was reason they mutated in the first place anyway). Styf happens with wolves and genocide, anyway, flesh change returns. First Captain Ahriman tries to cast mega spell to cure his legion that Magnus does not want because he doesn't believe it will work. It doesn't. All TS that were not powerful psykers are reduced to dust and soul magically sealed within their armour, little more than automata guide by their sorcerer fellows that survived the rubric (name of the spell).
These are your "dry" undead whereas DG were the "wet" undead
17:15 they have tanks, superheavy armor, armoured carriers, gunships and aerial transport and fighters, walkers, fixed artillery pieces, mobile artillery pieces, mole transporters, everything, especially during HH where they acted as legions more like field army. They were just extremely extremely elite. In 40k they are more focused on being essentially special forces (chapters don't have manpower to be the line army anymore) but all of above elements still can be used.
17:40 space marine tanks are a lot larger then the imperial guard tanks along with powerful weapons, they also have dreadnaught which are basically coffins/life support system for mortally wounded space marines or neath death, these coffins are basically tanks, a metal shell with legs and weaponry, examples are las cannons which are bigger versions of the lasgun and much more powerful as well as it shoots very powerful focused beam that goes through armor like tanks and multi melta which are basically short range anti tank weapons which use hyper powerful microwaves as a burst attack to melt everything within fire range, very good at melting Space marine armor, tanks and fortified bunkers, some have melee weapons like siege weapons (siege claws)
53:06 oh and to clarify on point you made here: they don't have a faction that is "focused purely on assassination". They still have tanks etc. it's just their forte.
When space marines legion/chapter is said to specialize in assault/snipers/going fast/heavy metal that means that from the template (I'm making the exact proportions up to make a point) for 5 regular marines with guns you have 1 assault marine, 1 sniper, 1 bike, 0.5 of a tank you modify towards particular style.
So assault legions have 0.25 of a tank per 5 normalarines but 3 assault per 5normal marines instead of just 1.
RG would have twice or thrice the number of snipers and jetpack murdersquads than normal, but they still would have operational artillery, tanks and terminators, just less than other legions.
White scars will have more bike marines than anyone else but they still have tanks, dreadnoughts (although of these they have extremely few of, but lore is extremely cool, look up Uhaan Solban) and terminators.
Specialisation =/= exclusive focus
As of right now in current lore, the only two loyalist primarchs that are back in the imperium are Roboute and Lion El'Johnson. The others have either been lost or dead for the last 10kish years and are mainly just referred to as legends and myths by the current imperial populace. When Roboute returned they put him in charge of the imperium and he's actually spoken to his father a few times as well.
The reason why each legion is so different is, that each one got 1 "specific" gene from the emperor
And besides Guilliman, there are now 1 other loyal primarch still alive: "Lion El'Jonson" , primarch of the 1. Legion
To answer Your question - space marine chapters are practicallly self contained armies, they are primarily heavy infantry, but do have tanks, APC's, IFVs, heavy support weapons and aircraft as well. Space marine tanks differ from guard tanks mostly due to more firepower, better crew skill but surprisingly less armor, marine tanks tend to be on the lighter side as far as imperial vehicles go (Imperium has heavier and more armored verhicles than eldar do). Take primary marine tank as example - Predator is based on the chassis of a Rhino, an IFV, just upgunned and uparmored. As for Thousand sons - they were very psyker heavy, and also prone to mutations, their chief librarian (head psyker) tried to create a spell that will ward off those mutations - it worked, in a sense : those marines that were psykers had their powers amplified tenfold, while non psykers were reduced to dust sealed off in their armor.
For alpha legion and their hydra motiff - alpha legion is only one where aspirants (recruits) are not evaluated as individuals but as a group. They are very into interoperability, taking initiative, and acting independent to an outsider, there is no clear command stucture, no clear chain of command to destroy, but rather three or four parallel ones that can take over as needed. Sargeant being able to do the duties of captain, stuff like that
I really love the look and lore of the Dark Angels and they are the only army i collected back then.
All Astartes armored tech is manufactured specifically for them, for their sizes and needs, as a separate line of pruduction. Marines can have everything: tanks, IFV, APC, siege tanks, artillery, air support (thunderhawk), bikes, vehicles working on antigrav tech, you name it. Different chapters prefer different toys. About navy: after they got fractured to chapters, they were also prohibited to have a dedicated fleet for void battles. Their ships have guns against other ships, but mainly focused on carring large amount of Astartes from planet to planet to deploy them from orbit, or to board enemy ship. They are well armored but focus on deploying/boarding tactics, while being not as numerous as Imperial Navy. They have some ships that are solely for space combat, like "Nova" frigate, but its a scout/escort ship and navy doesnt like it, as its a direct violation of the restrictions. Ultramarines have a whole own empire, Ultramar, inside Imperium borders, and have large fleet, but its technically Macragge's fleet, not Ultramarines. And about theit empire: its the Imperium's domain, like a vassal. The whole Imperial structure is feudalistic, every planetary governer is allowed to rule their world as he wishes as long as he pays thies on time. In this case, instead of one planet like it always is, Astartes Chapter rules a number of them (dont know what is the current number but before heresy it was 500), basically its a federation that is governed bu Ultramarines, with their capital on Macragge.
You asked if any other primarch has returned. The answer is yes in the form of Lion El'Johnson. He actually aged in his return book from being in the warp or other magics, because primarchs should not be able to age, so instead of looking and feeling like he's in his 20s now he feels like he's 45-55 physicaly, he even complained about it in his book asking a chaos space marine whos back he shattered with his hands through power Armour what sorcery was done to him, with the reply being "you broke my back, what sort of creature are you that can break my back and kill my guard alone and still say your slower and weaker then before" (paraphrased). The other key thing he did on his return was he found some of the fallen and redeemed them as they didn't all truly fall to chaos as he and the rest of the legion thought.
17:28 Astartes vehicles are bigger than more destructive than guard vehicles, and can be neuro link with the marine's carapace (one of the organs) to act as their 2nd skin.
Each legion was designed by the Emperor with purpose. Night lords are all about fear, because they were designed to scare potential betrayers. Salamanders would willingly sacrifice themselves, because Imperium need heroes. Death guard were made to operate in hostile environment. Space wolves were made to execute other space marines in case of revolt. And etc.
There are in-game lore, meta-ingame lore, out of game lore, and out of game business reasons for the two missing legions, and they get conflated a lot.
This will be a long walk.
When GW makes a decision, they then write an in-universe reason for that. When they then have to change or retcon that lore, they say that *all in-game lore is from unreliable narrators,* as they have limited perspectives, and are subject to chaos and inquisition rewrites to push various narratives. So GW essentially have carte-blanche to change things as they need without the risk of accidentally writing themselves into a corner.
For example, the Squats (Space Dwarves) were a faction in the early GW range when the figures were all metal, but at a certain point, GW decided to cut the line of figures and rules entirely.
Miniature molds wear out and cost a lot of money to replace. If a line of figures doesn't sell enough to justify the cost of replacing the molds or expanding the line, then it's a financial loss.
And if you're not selling figures, why pay writers to write rules and lore for them. That's another financial loss.
So, production tells business "We need to replace the molds, it'll cost this much". Business goes "That's not in the budget, change that line to something that sells." And then tells writing, "We're canceling Squats, write them out of the universe." So, removing the Squats line was a business decision to streamline GW's costs, production line, and workload.
So they wrote in-universe lore that the Squat homeworlds were consumed by a Tyranid fleet with "no survivors."
So you can see the "reason" there were no longer any Squats is three-headed: Logistical, financial, and lore. So when people say "[insert] *is* _the_ reason," they are leaving out part of the story.
But, in the decade or so since that purge happened, enough people wanted the Squats back, that GW saw money available on the table and said "Hey, the Squats weren't actually all wiped out like we said, here they are now with this new range of plastic figures, and we're calling them the Legions of Votann now. Buy buy buy"
So, establishing that any "reason" for anything GW does is _complicated,_ here are some of the reasons I have heard as to why the two legions don't exist.
In-Universe lore, those legions did something so heinous that they were excommunicated by the Emperor, and all their records expunged. The Emperor's excommunication also supposedly psychically erased them from memory, and so now only the Primarchs remember them at all.
The Imperium has a lot of meta references to the Roman empire, and Rome had several legions that just disappeared from historical records or whose ultimate fate is a mystery. So, having two "lost legions" for the Imperium was thought to be a lore reference.
In the very beginning of the game, the idea was that by leaving a couple of legions without established lore, it would allow players to invent their own (or be opportunities for the writers to pull a "returning legion" story in the future. Eventually, it was decided that players who wanted their own legions could just make them a "successor chapter" to one of the established ones. Just like the Black Templars are a sucessor chapter to the Imperial Fists and are *very different* in how they think and fight, they prove that this would not be as restrictive on player creativity as originally feared.
(Personal headcanon) The Imperium is a combination of gothic and roman aesthetics. Writing 2 in roman numerals and 11 in gothic lettering look too similar and cause confusion for the art and modelling teams, so they just said "Bugger that, they don't exist, problem solved."
Tabletop wise, it was also my understanding that it was 2 legions left blank so you could create 1 loyalist & 1 traitor. But I always wondered why they chose 2nd & 11th, especially when XI is a lot easier to put on a model than XVIII. You have a very solid theory there; why deal with the artistic & text confusion of II & 11.
Lion El Johnson has also returned
After the Horus Heresy, the Primarchs decided it was too risky to let such few men command that many Astartes.
As such "Legions" of 100K Astartes were divided into "Chapters" of not more than 1K Astartes.
The Black Templars are a Chapter _derivative_ from the Imperial Fists.
So, yes, the Black Templars' Patriarch is Rogal Dorn.
The Black Templars are also special because they abuse a loophole for the 1K Astartes limit. Which is "being in a crusade" so they basically consistently find excuses to say they're in a crusade.
23:09- The Space Wolves are also the only Space Marine Legion who have clearly violated the Codex Astartes, - the official rulebook on how a Space Marine Chapter should function written by the Ultramarines' Primarch Roboute Guilliman -, and the only reason why they haven't been punished is because their loyalty to the Emperor is pure hardcore that they're the sole exception to not "go by the book". They were also known to be the Emperor's personal execution squad as supposedly Leman Russ was responsible for eliminating the 2nd and 11th Legion, but he wouldn't confirm or deny this claim.
23:55- Yes, the Black Templars were originally a part of the Imperial Fists but following the formation after the Horus Heresy, they would be lead by the Emperor's Champion Sigismund and would have the belief that the Emperor of Mankind was a god.
24:48- Another way to point out what Bricky is talking about is this: if Rogal Dorn has negative opinions about you he will not keep it to himself, he will literally say it to your face.
26:44- His name is actually spelled as Konrad Curze as unfortunately the subtitles can't get it done properly
32:40- Ferrus Manus
36:06- It was called the Butcher's Nails and unfortunately Angron went through a horrendous experience as parts of his brain was removed in order to fit the Butcher's Nails into his head.
36:54- The Emperor knew about the Chaos Gods long before He created the Primarchs, but was ignorant in not telling them after finding His sons when He should've as it could've prevented the Horus Heresy or at the very least minimize the damage.
38:15- Roboute Guilliman
39:33- Not all of the Primarchs were able to have an empire of their own, - Angron wasn't even a ruler of his own homeworld as he was leading a failed rebellion at the time -, and while most would be the ruler of their home planet, Roboute Guilliman and Rogal Dorn were able to form an empire though the former had the largest empire that was second to the Imperium of Man.
40:22- Lion El'Jonson of the Dark Angels has also returned but more recently, Fulgrim of the Emperor's Children has returned for the Traitor's side.
7:08 In the Horus Rising book, Horus said that the Emperor made the primarch’s personality’s based off the 20 constellations of the Zodiac signs. Horus is supposed to be Sagittarius. :)
Was a bit distracted by life. But nice to see you got to this point. Now you've finished the 40k tutorial congrats 😆
The reason for the 2 lost legions is basically so the table top players can create their own faction, and it would still work in the lore. 2 unknown unofficial legions fighting each other would then still make sense. So in Lore those 2 are scrapped from the books, and anyone who thinks about talking about them gets disappeared and dies a painful torturous death
All good man! hope your doing well, Its been an interesting ride and I already have the next few Warhammer videos in mind! All great recommendations by you guys.
Thank you for explaining that XD, its cool they can give fans the ability to customize on their own a bit as well.
Hope you enjoyed the video :)
@@TheRealCenturion Yeah dude I love the vids. I enjoy when people learn about this crazy hobby of ours.
Also Basically there's a rulebook for how you can customize your own legions with their own rules and mechanics with a pointbuy system to balance it all out.
@@TheRealCenturion Ohh side-note, Bricky said that the saying "Magnus did nothing wrong" is untrue.... THAT is untrue you just need to add the commas!!!
Magnus did nothing, wrong....
He was told to do nothing
he did that wrong
@@BlackMoridin Ahhh I see! thank you for pointing that out!
@@BlackMoridin I really appreciate that! Im just glad to have such a great audience watching, never thought people would be interested in my opinions or learning about subjects with me so I really cant thank you enough for that.
Thats a cool way of doing it though, a point system would make the most sense, and you can mix and match how you would like.
So basically there are about a thousand chapters of space Marines (each has roughly around 1000 Marines) that descend from original 20 legions. So 1 original legion can have more than 50 successor chapters. Some have many (like Ultramarines or Imperial Fists) or very little (like Raven Guard or Salamanders). It depended on the amount of Marines in each legion after Heresy.
For example:
Imperial fists are an original legion.
Some of their successors are:
- Black Templars
- Crimson Fists
- Celestial Lions
- Executioners
- Exorcists and more
Also some chapters can have mixed genetics and are experimental. Some of them even have gene-seed of traitor primarchs. Minotaurs are rumored to have Iron Warriors gene-seed in them, that makes them brutal, efficient and dirty fighters.
Also some chapters' gene-seed is unknown (Blood Ravens for example)
Big E. Didn't make Angron to be angry (he didn't name him that) but it was the planet he landed on after Chaos Gods yeeted him and his brothers across the galaxy.
He was actually supposed to be an empath that could make others feel less pain, in fact.
30:26 pretty much, the red thirst makes them have the desire to drink blood and eat fresh which does give them moments where they really want to tear people apart but sanguinis help them satisfied those urges through art and other peaceful pursuits, the hlack rage happened due to the death of their primarch as it was a psychic backlash since they truly loved their primarch, so during extremely emotional situations where it becomes far to much for the blood angel they can fall to the black rage causing them to see everyone who isn't a blood angel as Horus because horus is the one who gave their father an extremely brutal death so they become somehow more powerful with an extreme desire to Rip horus into pieces, there's only two outcomes for those who fall into the black rage, death company of mercy kill
16:07 His names is Perturabo but it is fun to just call him Peter Turbo because it kind of sounds similar and fits. Same with Roboute Guilliman aka Robust Gorillaman aka Rowboat Girlyman aka Robot Grillman and anything that just rhymes with the name.
22:50 I am not sure if this is true but Leman Russ supposedly acts like this to seem like he is dumber and brasher than he is.
23:50 Yes Rogal Dorn is Black Templars Primarch. There are the 9 original loyalist Legions that were divided into 1000 space marine Chapters. Black Templars are a Successor Chapter of Imperial Fists.
One reason the Ultramarines has ultra-depression is that they came late during the Horus Heresy. They think that they came at the wrong time right when it really counts. This became a chip on their shoulder.
Each space marine legion was between 50k-200k strong. At the end of the heresy, it was decided to split the legions into chapters 1000 strong. The black templars were one the chapter created from the imperial fists in what was known as the second founding.
Night Lords are quite literally Terror Shock Troops. Suddenly appear, do anything and everything they can to instill terror and despair among their targets, then disappear back into the shadows.
On the upside, they're still not the Drukari (Dark Eldar).
The sound clips before World Eaters is from Dragon Ball Z: Abridged.
The Emperor forbade the use of the Butcher's Nails, but Angron did it anyway. Pretty much because "I have the Nails and I'M FINE! SHUT THE &$^# UP ABOUT THEM!"
But the purpose of the Legion, originally named War Hounds, was to be the sledgehammer used to break a particularly difficult enemy. They are 1000% offense, 0% defense. If the World Eaters fall in their task, they still succeed because the foe can no longer put up any reasonable defense anymore. The Butcher's Nails simply made the task easier, while also making them susceptible to Khorne.
The Thousand Sons are even more sympathetic than Bricky made them out to be. Magnus had long been distrusted by his Brothers for his and his legions high Psyker ability, fearing how Chaos could more easily influence the Legion. The Emperor even forbade the Thousand Sons use of their abilities while he thought about it. And while the Emperor was working on his own Webway, Magnus saw a vision of Horus' fall to Chaos and the resulting war to come. In his urgency to inform the Emperor, Magnus discarded the command against his abilities, and psychically reached out to warn the Emperor. In doing so, he destroyed the psychic wards the Emperor had placed around the Webway, tearing the fabric of space open to the Warp. The Emperor chastised Magnus extremely hard, then sent Leman Russ and the Space Wolves to bring Magnus to Terra. Horus intercepted Russ, and said the Emperor changed his mind, and wants the Thousand Sons, Magnus, and Prospero destroyed.
Magnus literally did nothing wrong. He was trying to protect the Imperium and his Father. He didn't know about the Webway project, and it was Horus that pushed Magnus to Tzeentch out of desperation. All according to Tzeentch's plans, of course.
Then the Rubric Marines themselves, further cursed by the spell intended to protect them from the harmful effects of the Warp.
Alpha Legion being a traitor Legion... or not?... is because they'll show up to help Imperial worlds sometimes, while they'll also raid Imperial worlds. Alpharius and Omegon were approached by the Cabal, a secretive organization of numerous Xenos species that work against Chaos. They said they've seen visions of the future, and have come to two main possibilities from the Horus Heresy.
1) The Emperor wins, and mankind goes down a slow death, feeding the Chaos forces behind Horus until Chaos ultimately wins.
2) Horus wins, mankind is destroyed, and Chaos ends up starving because with the Eldar gone, Mankind's emotions and thoughts are the primary food source. Chaos dies, and the Galaxy ultimately wins. (I'm fairly certain the Cabal wasn't aware of the Tyranids at this time, cuz that seems like kind of a bigger threat in the long run.)
They convinced Alpharius and Omegon to pledge Alpha Legion to Horus, help him win, and ultimately doom Mankind to extinction to fulfill their Father's desire to destroy the forces of Chaos for good. Since Horus did not win, however, the true alignment of Alpha Legion is unknown.
I wonder if Bricky has done in depth videos into each Legion. 🤔
Black Templars are successors of the imperial fists... they are the angry, bad, crazy and more melee oriented sons of dorn
53:14 the ravenguard are very good at attacking key targets and other areas amongst the enemy battle line but corvus corax primarch ability was the ability to remove everyone ability to perceive him, basically invisibility but not at the same time as it doesn't work on cameras, his sons have weaker versions of this ability so it doesn't really matter if they are wearing one ton armor because once they drop down they can easily disappear and become background noise including their voices so you won't know they are there until you see one charging towards you but its already to late because before you realize you are in danger you already dead
Oh space marines have their own tanks that do specific things like predator tanks that are faster but more fragile than the guards leman russ tanks. They are mainly for transport and fire support. They usually also have air wings specific to space marines like the thunderhaw which is like a flying heavy weapons transport tank.
Space marines do in fact have their own armored, naval (space naval at least), and aerial assets. As expected they are generally better in every way compared to "normal" Imperial Guard vehicles - though the upper end of what the IG can field is actually higher (look up the Baneblade, Imperial Guard superheavy that has 11 barrels of hell).
Generally Astartes doctrine revolves around getting their infantry where then need to be as fast and violently as possible - meaning many of their armored vehicles also double as troop transport for marines. This applies to naval as well - because the advantage an Astartes ship or tank has over other vehicles in normal long range combat is much less than the advantage they'd have if given the opportunity to get their infantry into play. And besides - its a much more glorious death to die in a boarding action than to just have your battle-barge blown up from long ranged weapons.
It also helps that the elite heavy infantry of the marines (Terminators, 1st company veterans in even bigger suits of power armor) can actually teleport which is a nightmare for enemy vessels.
That makes a lot of sense! Sorry im getting back to you late!
From what Ive seen so far everything is all about the troop transport, From Astartes to those SODAZ Animations , Space and Chaos marines seem to be huge on the idea of Breach and obliterate lol.
And no ship can operate without a crew which they seem to do an amazing job at!
I had no idea Terminators could teleport but thats insane lol. How far can they teleport?
Hope you enjoyed as always :)
The space marine chapters will have the necessary vehicles to commit to combat without other groups backing them up if they have to, but generally speaking their vehicles are going to fit the "elite strike force" vibe. Better in a 1v1 match up, but who cares if your gunship is better 1v1 when the Navy is outnumbering your ships 50 to 1.
When they are actually fighting alongside in a combined arms situation the marines are going to focus on doing marine things, and leave the tanks/artillery/etc. to the guard. (This is all *generally speaking* 40K is a big place)
The Black Templars didn't just have fleet assets in Helsreach, High Marshal Helbrecht was in overall command of all Imperial space forces involved in the conflict. We're talking dozens of Space Marine Chapters, multiple Imperial Navy battlefleets, and assorted auxiliaries. Unlike most other Chapters who are based on some sort of homeworld from which they recruit new recruits, the Black Templars "homeworld" is the heavily-modified Gloriana-class battleship "Eternal Crusader", a relic from the Dark Age of Technology. The entire Black Templars Chapter is fleet-based, on their Eternal Crusade to fight the enemies of the Emperor, and they're as such very adept at space combat.
Space Marines have their own tanks and armoured support stuff, but lorewise they're more focused on overwhelming local force just like the Marines themselves, punching holes in enemy fortifications or lines to allow the Marines to punch through and break the enemy apart. There just aren't the numbers of them for the kind of large-scale engagements that the Imperial Guard engage in. The Guard also has a lot more and a lot heavier artillery, and the Space Marines don't have any true super-heavy tanks of their own since they're usually not about slowly grinding the enemy down.
Hydra Dominatus
We don't know if the primarchs are aspects of the emperor intended or not but it's highly likely.
16:08 that’s not his name💀he just made fun,his real name is Perturabo
Thank you for clarifying that XD
@@TheRealCenturion np
For Fenris, For Russ, For The Allfather!
2 and 11 have been redacted from the records as the Emperor most likely killed them when on the Great Crusade when he came across them, hence there's the symbol of the Inquisition for 2 and 11 as we aren't supposed to know anything 😊.
In reality? 2 and 11 are left open for players to basically invent a legion to play as, yes you can literally invent them and play on the tabletop. Which is really cool when you think about it a nice lore friendly way to insert a custom army if you want to.
Black Templars are an Amazing chapter. They are a great place to start after the basics.
For the Lion!
Space marine chapters often have territory of their own they protect and recruit from and stationed at. Usually most chapters will have only one planet, or one star system under their direct control, but there's a few odd ones, like some that r nomads and recruit from worlds they come across, or the Ultramarines, who control around 500 planets directly if I'm not mistaken.
The missing two legions, legion 2 and 11, were gone long before the Horus Heresy, there's no solid answer on what they were like, who they were or what their gimmick was or why they were expunged from all historical records to begin with. However, we r given hints throughout 40k on what they may have been like and what they've done. First off, Primarchs like Sanguinius feared the Emperor purging his legion for their gene flaws, so much so it hinted that it's been done before. Also, all legions have a redundant pair, the Emperor made them this way incase something happened to one, he would have a backup, and with some thinking, we can pair these redundancies up:
Blood Angels and World Eaters, both r melee bloodthirsty shock troops. Only one gave in and the other strove to be better.
Dark Angels and the Alpha Legion, both specialized in being secrecy, being the hidden blades.
White Scars and Space Wolves, both specialize in fast hit and run tactics.
Salamanders and Death Guard, both have mutations for operating on more toxic death worlds.
Ultramarines and Word Bearers, both favor administration duties rather than entirely on combat.
Raven Guard and Night Lords, both the silent ambushers.
Emperors Children and Iron Hands, both obsessed with perfection, just in different ways.
Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors, both love defenses, one got the job the bring them down while the other to build them up.
As u see, that leaves us two without a redundancy, leaving us to believe the missing two must have been the redundancies of the Sons of Horus and the Thousand Sons. So one must have been magic based like the Thousand Sons, and the other more offensive focused like the Sons of Horus. Which tracks in the lore, it's mentioned not the space marines themselves of the expunged legions were purged, they were integrated into other legions, mostly the Ultramarines and Imperials Fists, and after the heresy and Imperial Fists separated into successor chapters, the Soul Drinkers were from the most aggressive boarding squads, and after awhile their geneseed was analyzed and came up inconclusive, so they probably originally came from the expunged legion that was a redundancy from the Sons of Horus
40:17 to tell you the timeline, roboute return after the fall of cadia and the formation of the great rift which was the eye of terror when it covered half of the galaxy, Magnus and mortarion for the traitors, angron and lion El'jonson return during the arks of omen, the arks of omen was the event dealing with a new player from chaos known as vashtorr the arkifane a greater demon of Chaos undivided, the weapon smith and master of the forge of souls who has a strong desire to join the great game and become the 5th chaos god, this year fulgrim have been confirmed so far to return for the traitors unsure for the loyalist side
2nd and 11th Legion were condemned to Damnatio Memoriae, all knowledge about those 2 factions has been removed from Imperial records... however, in some of the novels, there is mention of both but people curious about em are met with bolter to the face. All the Primarchs know what happened to them, but if they are asked about it, they look at you like you are carrying one of Nurgle's turds in your hand.
In table-top, there is a 2nd and 11th Legion, now you decide what to do next, whether being loyal or traitor, is up to you. Games Workshop did this in order to keep the fans and gameplay interesting.
5:09 there were originally 20 primarchs but 2 of them were deleted from the Imperial Records cause of the thinks they did…and no Primarch dares to talk about there 2 forgotten brothers
Ahhh thank you explaining!
Must have been nothing good they did !
15:05 Perturabo is extremely whiny manchild, that is true. However: he is really treated badly by emps. He is siege, architecture, mechanics and warfare savant. And i mean absolute savant. But he treats living being including his sons as nothing but numbers. Humanity is not something he understands or purposefully denies. He has been used as nothing but tool for his savant mind by his surrogate father on his home planet to conquer it. He had been given worst most grueling and least rewarding jobs, campaigns and duties while in service of the emperor. Essentially was treated by him the same way.
On Horus side he had to be the only one to command a completely deunified crazed drugged possessed and dishonest collection of forces from all traitor legions that Horus side essentially devolved into at this point of the story. One of his brothers essentially almost sacrificed him to his patron good too ascend into demon, yet perty survived. AND HE ESSENTIALLY WON THE SIEGE AGAINST ROGAL DORN. and he knew it. But he was sick of being treated as a tool by either side. He proved his point and evacuated his forces letting rest do whatever they wanted.
And all he really dreamt about all his life was to build utopian cities, not wage war, but was to big of a psy to do anything about it.
I love perty dearly
The 2nd Primarch/Legion is the "Forgotten" and the 11th is the "Purged" namesake wise. We know that Leman Russ took out the 11th Primarch but not what went wrong and he did maybe with the 2nd too. But it's also possible that the 2nd is just on a super secret mission and we all just don't know. All we know is that the 2nd Primarch was kinda liked by his brothers, even Horus and his bois, and that when talked about the Primarchs are all silent, discourage disussion and are extremely sad about what happend.
7:27 yes and no each primarch have a personality trait of the emperor along with a special speciation at a certain field of warfare and study
Magnus did nothing wrong. He was told to do nothing and he did it wrong.
If you'd like something more lite hearted give what if the emperor had a TTS it's not cannon so it's a fun series to react to
Thank you for the recommendation! added that to the list!
I will love an reaction to weshammer videos, especially top 10 worst apocalypses in Warhammer 40k lore and most powerful weapons in Warhammer 40k lore
The Irony is During the Great Crusade the Night Lords had the best success rate for compliance. Fear Tactics is breaking the morale of entire worlds before a shot was fired. Max compliance rate, with minimum casualties.
The Flesh Is Weak.
But Deeds Endure
Vuklan to Ferrus
In Angrons story the Emperor truly is the Bad guy, that said, if one of your Sons is going to fall to Korne better the Slave than the Angel.
Since Bricky made this Video Lion 'L' Johnson has returned to the setting, along with Angron. and sometime this year 2025 Fulgrim is coming out, they showed his Model on Christmas day.
Magnus was told to do nothing, He did that Wrong.
Everything I do from this point on, I Do for the Imperium.
Alpharius? moments before he 'falls' to Chaos.
I'd recommend Weshammer if you wanna dive into the lore more as you start reading. The Core Book is a great buy as well for tons of great art, lore on current factions, and even a short story from modern day 40k.
Some of the legions got done pretty dirty by Bricky in this video, but i still dig his content
I appreciate the recommendation! Ive had Weshammer be suggested a few times so ill have to check him out sometime!
I do feel like Bricky glosses over things at times but I can understand why because theres just so much to fit in and his videos would probably be hours long if he did, which would probably take his so long to put together in editing and everything. I really appreciate his videos as starter videos though because he gives you the basics and allows for you to go explore on your own in a sense!
I hope you enjoyed the video! :)
I highly recommend my watch "Every single Primarch explaind" by the channel "More Lore". You get a great insight what happend around 30k and the great Crusade and how how things got to the point they did and why the specific Primarchs did pick the sides they did. It may be 1.15 h long video but you will appreciate watching it
Space marine tanks are alot bigger than Imperial guard tanks since they need to fit space marines inside. And they have much better tech. As far as I know its the same for space ships, they actually get nice stuff and decent sleeping quarters and all that sutff.
Definitely go check out Weshammer soon too, very detailed videos about the lore of specific people and factions😁
I am Alpharius btw.
Also if you'd like to pearn a bit kore abour 2 and 11 legion, i atrongly strongly strongly recommend Abritor Ian's channel. He has great video where he pulls all the lore tidbits there are to try to reconnect the dots into viable whole.
Plus his channel is overall gem anyway. Awesome in depth lore about particular situations, imo very corrwct attitude one should have to the hobby (as in: not a lore fascist, and proper enthusiasm) and great delivery (videos about battles are shown on interactive map with forces markers changing colours and moving to positions in real time etc) and great 20ish minutes long videos about each legion in turn giving you great lore basics. Enough jokes to be entertaining yet less memey than Bricky, giving you more solid/actual lore (as much as i love Bricky he can sometimes overmeme or oversimplify stuff)