DCS: Chinook CH47F - Do this now!
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- The Eagle Dynamics DCS Chinook CH47F is finally here! Typically it came out whilst I was on holiday so it made for an extra treat on returning home.
I have managed to have a few flights in different environments and am mostly enjoying the experience. I say mostly as when I first started to fly the aircraft I wasn’t that impressed, it took a lot of effort to control as you will see in the following examples, this start sequence is want we want to achieve and I’ll show you how to do it.
So what I’m showing you at the start of the video is that with the current flight model it's something that resembles the V1.0 Miltech Chinook which you’ll find in Microsoft flight sim. That model by the way has since been updated and flies much better. It's also a D model not an F but AFCS works all the same.
The problems manifest themselves pretty much after lifting off, at least in my experience, and impacts all controls, yes I have tried adding deadzones etc. But as you can see here with the aircraft in forward flight it does not want to fly straight, even at speed, and in some cases the back overtakes the front, this is actually an issue that AFCS fixes and you end up in all sorts of trouble. It's as if there's no AFCS at all, no LCT's and no DASH. The latter meaning your flying in a nose down configuration which you'd only really see during the early stages of flight accelerating up to speed. AFCS is on and set to 'Both'.
I know it's early access and Eagle Dynamics have done a ton of work with the Chinook so I don't want to dwell on this too much, rather how activating BoB fixes things, well at least for the short term and how the model looks amazing and with BoB by your side it's back to being a really easy aircraft to fly, although BoB is rather conservative and limits rolls and allows no Yaw input, it's still a vital addition and I suggest all if you haven't activated BoB, do it now, you won't regret it.
Update on terminology: BoB is decribed in the CH47F Early Access Manual as: “Bob” AI crewmember to assist with cockpit tasks.
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Thank for posting this. I didn't know about Bob and was avoiding flying this until the next big update!
Outstanding find! Look forward to testing this later for sure.
Thanks for that, have found Bob, may use him. I have a dead zone 4, curves 0, Saturation of 100. Using a HOTAS. I found small changes to saturation more effective for helicopters, where curves were a bit sloppy. But we all have our own setups & opinions. I find the trim/reset USELESS as it causes massive pitch changes. Got the flares working too Thanks
Incredible, didnt even know this existed, thanks for the video
Nice..I didnt know this. The trim system sux in DCS for this frame
Godamned AMAZING!
Had no clue what this was for and didn't map it. No I can go get a brew on long flights.
Yea bob is NOT trim bob is an autopilot it just lets you control it alongside with his help I believe. You can set trim with a separate control. Bob is great for helping hover for sling loads
I don't think it's an Autopilot, it's similar to early AFCS in that it affords basic stabilization. But I'll do some more investigation, thanks for watching.
@@ChrisUK27 go full speed forward and activate bob he pilots, he’s auto piloting.
@@ChrisUK27bob is an autopilot. Same guy in the uh-1h
Hi Chris, I don't have any real world experience in the chinook only in light single rotor helicopters, however it's clear from the vision that you are over controlling the helicopter. I have an extension on my cyclic with no centering springs and no curves and find it extremely easy to hover, probably too easy actually. Having said that, it does have some minor quirks in forward flight which will hopefully be addressed in future updates. Anyway, thanks for heads up about Bob 😊
@@Itz_Jack57 - I don’t have an extension but will try more tweaks. I use the same setup for the Huey and MilTech Chinook which is much more stable. When they eventually fix it you’ll no longer be chasing it around and you cyclic movement will be minimal. It’s incredibly stable with DAFCS.
@@ChrisUK27i don’t think you are over correcting, i can fly all aircraft in dcs decent but not chinook, it’s kinda wierd
I've posted a new video which compares how a real Chinook flies compared to the DCS version, hopefully this explains what I'm taking about and how ED will develop the model to something closer to the real thing.
Bob is amazing. Although bipolar. Sometimes when activating him he'll make the hook vertical and end up killing us. But when he works...its although.
@@GatAppTechnologies - I find if you put the aircraft into the orientation you’re after, say for example accelerating and level flight activating Bob it’s so bad, there’s a bit of a lurch similar to on the Huey. Coming out of Bob can be a challenge if in the cruise and the back will want to overtake the front pretty quickly.
Much needed Intel!! Thanks
Glad to help!
Yes I agree mostly with your findings. The AFCS needs progress. The trim too. There is much for ED to make better. But also much to praise ED for this module. Definately a work in progress. Lets hope they will keep udating this module.Even with a pro joystick like the VKB Gladiator NXT keeping this helicopter level in flight can be frustrating. I found exactly the same symptoms as yourself. I set Trim for level flight hoping whatever AFCS is working in this module will work, only to find if I let go off the joystick the helicopter's back end dips down. So I add some more collective and set my Trim for forward flight as per the CH-47F manual that comes with this module, only to find the front end will keep dipping down. I have set my joystick correctly and adjusted the sensitivity settings as best I can. Yes it just pitches all over the place. Sure I use Bob, but Bob is exactly what it says on the tin ! its an AI pilot to assist you. Its not a pro AFCS system !. Bob should only be enabled when close to landing or hovering with a sling cargo, or stable flight. If you fly fast and low then enable Bob it will slew your helicopter backwards until the AI adjusts pitch for you. Bob is good but its still a work in progress, as is the AFCS from Eagle Dynamics. Controlling the CH-47F is very challenging just now. But it is early access, it is what it is. I am sure that in the weeks/ months to come ED will continue to improve the functionality of this module and hopefully give us a helicopter that is more stable. of course most rotor wings can be unstable by the virtue of the rotating baldes etc, but the CH-47F needs some more work. Thank you for this interesting appraisal of the flight module.
I might do a more in depth analysis of what's going on compared to how the real aircraft flies, this was more early thoughts and to tell people who are struggling with flying Chinook about BoB, thanks for sharing your thoughts!
At last.... Every comment I read describes the Hook as being so easy to fly. That's not my experience thus far. I fly the Apache a lot with no problems but this helo once airborne can be trimmed out and then just nose dives or the rear just drops on you and unless you have some height it's gonna crash. If you have height then you absolutely need strong movements on the cycliq to recover. I was gonna give up for now but tried your solution and yes I get Bob is the AI CP but it does bring the helo into stable flight and allows you to explore other aspects of the a/c and then when ready you can take control back or leave him flying. As you say the controls do respond for the pilot when Bob is turned on but they are fine. Anyway; thanks for the tip and at long last someone has mentioned the issue it appeared only I was experiencing.
hmm, have you turned the system sel dial to both on the AFCS control panel? i think on a hot start it is turned to off and that does make the hook close to impossible to fly controlled. good to know BOB is around to help out, allready know what button i'mma map him to. btw if you can't find the dial i'm talking about it's on pg37 of the early access guide. big dial in between both cdu keyboards.
@@HowlerBikeVlogs - Yeah AFCS is set to both, it’s a standard AFCS panel thanks. I’m going to take a look at how it handles AFCS On/Off, without Bob.
@@ChrisUK27 oh good, i'm pretty new to choppers, only fly dcs, after the huey and the apache, this again flies totally different. And after years of A10c its refreshing to learn new things.
@@HowlerBikeVlogs When they add the full functionality of DAFCS you’ll find Chinook is a breeze to fly.
i noticed when you were trying to hover at 1:25, the cyclic was moving way more than it should, it doesn't take much. I bet some curves or extension will help with that. I fly with a 10cm extension and can hover rock solid.
@@andyrudeseal6347 - I’ll try some more tweaks. Another person has said about using an extension, it’s not an option for me at the moment. I find the Huey is easier to hover using the same HOTAS. I also normally fly in VR so losing that didn’t help. Thanks for the comments!
@@ChrisUK27 I would try saturation first as you don't need the full range of your stick in most helis. Start with like 75% This will keep your inputs linear, just that full physical stick deflection means DCS only sees 75% input.
Hi, how do you dispense Flare and Chaffs? I have the keys mapping but doesnt work
The dispensing at the start of this video is automatic, if you look closely I almost get hit whilst try to get an 'arty' shot. Anyway to dispense manually move the 'BYPASS/NORMAL' on the ASE panel which is on the centre console, and you'll be able to dispense them. The early release manual says this is not enabled, but it is.
Cargo fires are not cool…..they are ,,,,,,ditch it over the side NOW! Lol😊
Uncle Bob ? OK 😂
the flight control issues youre having are not a problem at all for me im not sure what youre doing wrong
I've posted a new video which compares how a real Chinook flies compared to the DCS version, hopefully this explains what I'm taking about and how ED will develop the model to something closer to the real thing.
BOB is not a trim system, but AI copilot, who flies the aircraft for you. The same like George and Petrovich. You have basic trim system and trim reset available in other bindings
I'll have another go with the basic trim but I've not found it to be that effective, maybe a bug.
all i know that without bob im flapping around like bambi on ice
It's dcs, do we really think this flight model is even close to accurate. For the most. Part dcs has issues with all helicopters , but this one is the worse. Funny thing is, everyone is literally just flying around endless because there's literally no missions for this thing, and nothing online that makes any sense
@@fastfed - It can definitely be improved on that despite knowing little of DCS software I can see in other modules plus as I say towards the start of the video, the MilTech version for MSFS was in a similar if not worse state and that has got much much better. That’s also based on a D Model. As for what to do, there’s plenty it can do it’s for ED and the creators to build on its potential.
I just bought the chinook for what it is designed for - hauling cargo and troops. So you see no use? I mean, how do you capture zones and equalize ressources ie on ShadowReapers without a cargo chopper? Its pretty much needed.
@@roccothamanoidis the fact dcs has no core game options for that, let me know how that works out for ya.
@@fastfed I see some features forming up in DCS, which might be necessary for the core dynamic campain to come alive. So hopefully we'll gain deeper gameplay in this decade. :D
And if you go to another UA-cam channel of a real chinook pilot you will see he flies it without any issue.
- Without any issues? Sure, share the link. I’ve watched @47Driver (Active Pilot) and he points to similar issues. This flight model is early access and it will change as it’s not right.
@@ChrisUK27 Same guy, but I think you're overinterpreting what he said. And when you see him fly the thing he does it very convincingly
@@30K_ACTUAL - For sure as he’s trained to fly AFCS Off (In emergency) and is familiar with everything that’s presented to him display wise, what the cab is doing etc. the cockpit display is something I’m getting used to but that said the corrections that are required and the way it flies is not right. Once you leave +40knots and accelerating you don’t need the pedals, when you get up to say 110 Knots the nose should not be pointing at the ground, the cabin should have leveled out by a combination of the transmissions being tilted forwards and the LCT’s, the latter which are activated by the AFCS in response to increased airspeed. When we get to the final version you’ll see what I mean.
The Miltech CH-47D flies far better because it literally flies far better. There's hardly no realistic properties of the FM, because MSFS and helicopters suck. The FM and flight features in the ED CH-47F also suck.
Hi, what’s your reference point for this comparison?
There is no such thing as better or worse if we are talking about a flight dynamics model. There is only the concept of realism. Can we talk about the realistic flight dynamics in MSFS? Of course not. MSFS has never been known for its realistic dynamics. If you want to hear a reliable assessment, it’s better to ask real pilots about it.
Are u a ch47 pilot
Took me about 30 minutes to figure it out. It's a tandem helicopter that flies different. It has its own quirks. I don't have any problem at all and I don't use Bob. I think now I understand why I got so many views on my flying Channel. Perhaps you want to be helicopter drivers out there should figure out what channel I'm talking about and go on over there and watch me do some Chopper flying.😅 LOL. But then again I don't really care LOL. I just wanted to say how every time I hear an English accent it makes me want to vomit in my mouth a little bit.
Happy to help.