DCS: Chinook CH47F - How does a Chinook fly? What the DCS model does well, and what's missing.
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- DCS: Chinook CH47F - How does a Chinook fly? What the DCS model does well, and what's missing.
How does a Chinook fly?
Easy, it's a simulation right?...It was easier making this, well maybe not than picking a title! As we know in DCS we want these things to be as close the the real thing as possible so that's what I'm going to take a look at in this video.
All this information is freely available on the internet
In this video I’m going to explain the basics of how the CH47 Chinook flies in the real world compared to DCS World model using the current build as of August 23rd to see what’s modelled correctly and where there’s still work do to. These are my own observations, there are plenty more in the forum, Discord channels etc.
The idea is to give people a basic understanding of what's going on with the flight controls and what DAFCS when it's added will help with in a basic sense, there's nothing about it's modes etc. I also maybe rambled a bit about the DASH, as it says in the screen it's to enable a positive stick gradient such that when Neutral we're hovering, pull back a little and we transit back, push forwards and we go forwards.
In the video I say it's short-ish but in the end it was nudging half and hour I think! There are lots of resources available for further reading linked below. Also big props to NNi8 for this amazing 27 Squadron RAF centenary livery. Love it!
The Eagle Dynamics team have done a great job so far and Chinook is looking great, the future for Chinook in DCS is looking bright that's for sure!
References:
Amazing 27 Sqn skin by NNi8:
www.digitalcom...
NASA CH47 flight controls
ntrs.nasa.gov/...
DCS CH47F Early Access Guide
TECHNICAL MANUAL OPERATOR’S MANUAL FOR ARMY CH-47D HELICOPTER (EIC: RCD) which has been released for public access, thanks Hooker for the reminder where they were. Available via the www.chinook-he...
An aircrew of a Chinook helicopter operates the helicopter
(U.S. Army Photo by Scott T. Sturkol, Public Affairs Office, Fort McCoy, Wis.)
picryl.com/med...
RAF Odiham Chinook Display Team
www.raf.mod.uk...
Good explanation Chris. Nothing further to add, as you say, without getting into the weeds of things 😀
Loved this video! lots of informative stuff here!
Glad you liked it, there's loads more to it but hopefully this explains the basics and what you're seeing the aircraft do, or not, in DCS.
Thanks - I've decided to put it away for a month or few until this is all fixed
Well done, my experience matches yours on flying the Hook.
Really enjoying your videos. Thank you.
@@pinkfloyd7572 - Kind of you to say, thanks!
Thank you, this explains a lot, I find the ch-47 a bit counter intuitive atm and I could not understand why.
Great Information. I see the MFD is small for Air Speed and Altitude. In the real CH-47 , could you make the readout bigger for Alt and Airspeed?
No you can't, but it's much easier to see in real life because you're not looking at a screen within a screen ;)
@@47Driver thank you :)
The Rad alt is slightly easier to see, although sometimes obscured by its casing, and if you're anywhere between 0 - 1500ft it's perhaps the one you'll pay more attention to when bombing around. I wonder if they can enlarge the other displays slightly, I know it won't be the exact same but if you compare to say the F18 MFD's they're quite a distance away, and not the easiest to see. I have a button on my HOTAS for VR zoom which I use all the time.
@@ChrisUK27 Thank you :)
I wanted to say that I can't seem to be able to Trim at all... to move forward I have to take the Cyclic full forward what also take the aircraft down..
This is because the DASH and LCTs not being modeled.
Hi all again!
Where I was waiting your answers, have found on web an original declassified ch-47 manual.
There was an advise about the speed takeoff over soft surface. Seams to be that in some case the Hook have sunk the front weels lifting up the the rear....but the major risk was the front rotor blades impact in the soft snow (for inst).
So now my original question should be inverted: why it have two wheels at front landing gear?!😂
The answer, i think, should be found in your 2 previous answers ❤tk
Hi all; tank you for the video.
One question, pls. ...could you explain why " the Hook" have only one wheel for each legs at the rear (where i suppose to find the most amount of load weight) and instead, double weel at the front landing gear legs?
Tk in advance for your reply
I'd imagine it's due to two things, one is that most weight on the ground is applied to the forward undercarriage, you'll see even in DCS how the loads are not all the way to the very back, when it lifts with the hooks, the hooks are further forward, in the video I highlight how Chinook when parked is at and angle, so almost like someone doing a 'press-up' or 'Plank'. The other is that they probably didn't want a large undercarriage at the back as it's more weight, need a larger power steering system thus harder to turn the aircraft on the ground and will move the C of G further back than they'd like. One of the early models had a really small rear wheel.
@@pp9864 Hi, just pulled the following from Chinook-helicopter.com
"Intense probing of a supervisor responsible for ramp actuator research and development, known only as "Deep Stroke", yielded the truth. The problem with the earlier A model Chinooks that had the original configuration of dual wheels on the aft gear, was quite simple. While being field tested at Fort Benning, Georgia (a HOT and HUMID place in the Summer), the smaller aft wheels would sink into the asphalt. Asphalt, used on roads and streets in the United States, was made of tar and small rock, and became rather soft and pliable when heated. The Sun in the Southern U.S. tended to melt the roads during the Summer. Many of the airfields around the country had asphalt aircraft parking areas, also known as "tarmacs". The original wheels were small, hard rubber ones that did not have much surface area for ground contact. Hence, when left for periods of time sitting on the tarmac, the aircraft sunk. The Army noted this and Boeing changed the tire to a larger one, the same size as, and interchangeable with, the forward gear. Boeing wanted dual wheels on the aft, but that required a design change in the ramp because there wasn't enough room in the aft landing gear wheel wells for two larger size tires. Funding constraints limited the helicopter to a single rear wheel. There were two wheels installed on the front landing gear because of the need to spread the heavy weight of the aircraft over a wider area. In a Chinook, due to the design and placement of the landing gear, more weight was placed on the forward gear once it was on the ground than upon the aft gear."
Great question, improves my own knowledge by seeking the answer. Thanks!
@@ChrisUK27 tk Chris
@@CaptMogadon tk CaptMogadon
ZA683 in the 27 Sqn centenary livery, no surprise there Chris 😉
How do think the MSFS version matches up to the Mk 2s?
It's a great livery, good to see people are working on them already, looking out for a BN ZA718 next!
The Miltech MSFS version is much better now since they've updated it. I like the little touches like being able to add EAPS, have different cargo in the back, troops, even a boat. This one though in DCS will be my go-to, especially with the Afghan map.
I'm confused . You showed the pedals moving the rotors but the whole vehicle didn't turn.
@@rawnukles - Hi, yes I wanted to show what was happening to the heads/blades upstairs. The only way I could see of doing this was to use ‘active pause’, so the controls move but the aircraft remains static.
@@ChrisUK27 oh I see. Thanks for explaining