I think most bikers probably just have a bad thought about rim brakes because they think of the walmart bike rim brakes. But if you buy some decent pads it should be fine. Though I probably should not be talking on a road biking video since I don't know much about road bikes, just a mountain biker
well for a road / city ebike ... I'm pretty happy with disc brakes, it's a rather heavy bike and the city is very hilly - the regular mechanical disc brakes that came with the bikes had to be replaced after a few months, now installed hydraulic ones and no issues anymore
The master cyclinder and pistons in the brake caliper both move and wear, very slowly over time, I’ve seen high quality brake systems go literally 10 years without being bled and the fluid comes out black, but the brakes were still working great. No need to bleed brakes more than bi-annually.
I don't think amateur cyclists at any level paying for their own equipment and doing their own maintenance need disc brakes. Rim brakes on a road bike stop very well and are easier and cheaper to maintain. Road bike Disc brakes have loads of issues that pros and UA-cam influencers can't talk about. Good plan for bike companies to make new profits in their industry though!
This is the _truth_ about disc brakes. Too bad so sad most people fail to understand the mechanical realities. I could list more reasons why disc brakes suck for the average rider. For one, each time you fix a flat (or pull a wheel for any reason), your calipers may need to be realigned. For another, some disc brake setups have a tendency to make awful squealing noises, with no solution or workaround. Yet another strike against is that a bit of stray grease or lubricant is all it takes to _permanently_ compromise the pads. Disc brakes are a needlessly complicated and expensive step backwards for many riders' overall experience.
Pulling a wheel is only a problem if your wheel/wheel hub is poorly designed (not poorly, but rather not with disc brakes in mind), good calipers on good fork are reliable and pistons are self aligning, noise is issue if you have bad pads or rotors and grease/lubricant can crew up rim brakes as well. They should just stop putting bad disc brakes on wrong road bikes for the wrong people. It's the same as the weight craziness in mountain bike industry. Everything needed to be carbon and super light. It took them about 10 years before they realized some people would like more durable and reliable frames and group sets on their enduro bikes rather than lighter and more fragile ones.
Honestly, with the right pads for the riding you do.. disc brakes are good to go. However, in the video you posted on those LONG downhills (I never do roads like this), I could absolutely see the issues for fading on disc brakes, where rim ones wouldnt have that happen.
Disc brakes have less brake fade then rim brakes and work in all conditions. Just don't use resin pads and cheapest brakes you can get (even resin pads needs a lot of abuse before you can notice any signs of brake fade). Disc brakes on high performing mountain bikes work very well. No brake fade, no rubbing, no problems after changing the wheel - it works. Problem of road bike disc brakes must be somewhere else. Forks, wheels or levers? Or maybe overall design which doesn't take in account the difference of road bikes? You know, just screwing the disc on light carbon road bike may be not a good idea unless you change rigidity of fork and wheels first.
I see why people want disc because of expensive carbon wheelset they running. Personally, not all need that especially recreational rider. Rimbrakes are good and enough and even cat 1 can race with them. I personally run rimbrake lightweight alloy wheelset and are actually good with descending even when raining also I always getting cutted by vehicles so I often squeeze the brake hard as reaction but with rimbrake it have ABS action unlike disc which would make me fly off my bike.
My mate just got his first road bike. He didn't wanna spend much and bought some cheap triban bike. He explicitly spent more because he heard disc brakes were better. When that bike inevitably turned out to be shit we went looking used, he was so stuck on the idea of disc brakes for some reason. It was only mechanical ones that were close to his budget too but it took hours to get him to concede and consider buying a bike with rim brakes instead. Now he's got a road bike with a shimano sora drivetrain and side pull brakes that's far superior to that triban bike that was 4x the price. Glad I'm not the only one who's had similar experiences
I would have liked to get rim brakes too but disc brakes and especially hydraulic ones are too common these days. I didn't want to build a bike and I didn't want to import it so I settled with the one that was available in the local market area.. That was the cheapest endurance bike on discount but it these had hydraulic disc brakes. My fixation was on carbon more than the type of brakes though. Did I really need carbon, no, but it was an upgrade and it's another story..
Disc brakes are better on a road bike if you know exactly why are you going for discs, you get good quality brakes and bike manufacturer did a good job. It's much easier to get good disc brakes on cheap mountain bike then on a road bike. Benefits of disc brakes are much more important for a mountain bikes and MTB manufacturers are focused only on disc brakes for at least a decade, so they know how to make them cheap and working.
Coaster Brakes all the way :D Especially recommended on a steep hill in the woods when you forget the old crap hasnt been maintained in a hundred years. But seriously ill give up performance every day of the week if i get simplicity for it. And if youre breaks arent the best everything feels faster anyway. But hey im not blaming people wanting to feel like a athlete with an expensive bike but you can have the same fun with a 20 dollar bike so why bother?
I get your point, but there is a middle ground - mechanical disc brakes. More heat dissipation, comparable brake performance, option to upgrade later, better rim and tyre selection - and at this point not really extra cost (buying or servicing) compared to decent rim brakes. Yes, they may be absent from higher speed (10-12s) drivetrain, but I would argue those are more superfluous on a budget. Somebody getting into cycling is more likely to be heavier, have only 1 bike to use for everything, including carrying cargo (commute, bike packing etc.), have inner tubes, lack the proper braking skill downhill, thus limiting the possibility of overheating is really nice. Yeah, maybe it's the worst feeling, but from a pure performance/value point they are the top. I was never able to justify paying for hydraulic setups, but cable discs are the only way for me.
@Djacob_ I'm proud of you for trying to use "long winded" in a sentence, but you'll look like less of a bellend if you know the definition first. Do better next time.
Brakes are useless, they're slowing you down.
Your bike _brakes_ faster if you just crash
Disk brakes this rim brakes that bro it’s 2024 catch up with the times and use drum brakes like me smh
comprehension beyond my means
Drum brakes are very good at braking and are actually quite aerodynamic.
The problem is taking your wheels off 😭
Airbrakes superior.
@@NotBadJefferBoatdrum brakes thermal efficiency is awful and brake fade come pretty quick 😂
@@rizzle3272 That's true, but, like any other brake types, its durability depends on how much you use the brakes often.
How come you guys don’t just use a big parachute behind your bike? Mine works when I do that, I get air brakes !
If rim brakes could handle wider tyres like disc brakes could, I would consider them.
5k miles in a couple months? I don’t even put that on my car in that amount of time
Unless you race or ride in the mountains, rim brakes do the job just fine.
Hardly anyone need the best of anything.
I think most bikers probably just have a bad thought about rim brakes because they think of the walmart bike rim brakes. But if you buy some decent pads it should be fine. Though I probably should not be talking on a road biking video since I don't know much about road bikes, just a mountain biker
Agreed!
Carbob rim brakes + rain = death
He changed his name, I miss popsgarage😢
Going to college soon and cant run my business out of my dorm :( had to rebrand sorry bro
well for a road / city ebike ... I'm pretty happy with disc brakes, it's a rather heavy bike and the city is very hilly - the regular mechanical disc brakes that came with the bikes had to be replaced after a few months, now installed hydraulic ones and no issues anymore
How are the lines going to get contaminated if its a closed system? Are the lines breaking down or does mineral oil break down?
The master cyclinder and pistons in the brake caliper both move and wear, very slowly over time, I’ve seen high quality brake systems go literally 10 years without being bled and the fluid comes out black, but the brakes were still working great. No need to bleed brakes more than bi-annually.
great explination
I don't think amateur cyclists at any level paying for their own equipment and doing their own maintenance need disc brakes. Rim brakes on a road bike stop very well and are easier and cheaper to maintain. Road bike Disc brakes have loads of issues that pros and UA-cam influencers can't talk about. Good plan for bike companies to make new profits in their industry though!
This is the _truth_ about disc brakes. Too bad so sad most people fail to understand the mechanical realities. I could list more reasons why disc brakes suck for the average rider. For one, each time you fix a flat (or pull a wheel for any reason), your calipers may need to be realigned. For another, some disc brake setups have a tendency to make awful squealing noises, with no solution or workaround. Yet another strike against is that a bit of stray grease or lubricant is all it takes to _permanently_ compromise the pads. Disc brakes are a needlessly complicated and expensive step backwards for many riders' overall experience.
Pulling a wheel is only a problem if your wheel/wheel hub is poorly designed (not poorly, but rather not with disc brakes in mind), good calipers on good fork are reliable and pistons are self aligning, noise is issue if you have bad pads or rotors and grease/lubricant can crew up rim brakes as well.
They should just stop putting bad disc brakes on wrong road bikes for the wrong people. It's the same as the weight craziness in mountain bike industry. Everything needed to be carbon and super light. It took them about 10 years before they realized some people would like more durable and reliable frames and group sets on their enduro bikes rather than lighter and more fragile ones.
Honestly, with the right pads for the riding you do.. disc brakes are good to go. However, in the video you posted on those LONG downhills (I never do roads like this), I could absolutely see the issues for fading on disc brakes, where rim ones wouldnt have that happen.
Disc brakes have less brake fade then rim brakes and work in all conditions. Just don't use resin pads and cheapest brakes you can get (even resin pads needs a lot of abuse before you can notice any signs of brake fade). Disc brakes on high performing mountain bikes work very well. No brake fade, no rubbing, no problems after changing the wheel - it works. Problem of road bike disc brakes must be somewhere else. Forks, wheels or levers? Or maybe overall design which doesn't take in account the difference of road bikes? You know, just screwing the disc on light carbon road bike may be not a good idea unless you change rigidity of fork and wheels first.
I see why people want disc because of expensive carbon wheelset they running. Personally, not all need that especially recreational rider. Rimbrakes are good and enough and even cat 1 can race with them. I personally run rimbrake lightweight alloy wheelset and are actually good with descending even when raining also I always getting cutted by vehicles so I often squeeze the brake hard as reaction but with rimbrake it have ABS action unlike disc which would make me fly off my bike.
My mate just got his first road bike. He didn't wanna spend much and bought some cheap triban bike. He explicitly spent more because he heard disc brakes were better. When that bike inevitably turned out to be shit we went looking used, he was so stuck on the idea of disc brakes for some reason. It was only mechanical ones that were close to his budget too but it took hours to get him to concede and consider buying a bike with rim brakes instead. Now he's got a road bike with a shimano sora drivetrain and side pull brakes that's far superior to that triban bike that was 4x the price. Glad I'm not the only one who's had similar experiences
Someone understands!!!
I would have liked to get rim brakes too but disc brakes and especially hydraulic ones are too common these days. I didn't want to build a bike and I didn't want to import it so I settled with the one that was available in the local market area.. That was the cheapest endurance bike on discount but it these had hydraulic disc brakes. My fixation was on carbon more than the type of brakes though. Did I really need carbon, no, but it was an upgrade and it's another story..
Disc brakes are better on a road bike if you know exactly why are you going for discs, you get good quality brakes and bike manufacturer did a good job. It's much easier to get good disc brakes on cheap mountain bike then on a road bike. Benefits of disc brakes are much more important for a mountain bikes and MTB manufacturers are focused only on disc brakes for at least a decade, so they know how to make them cheap and working.
Coaster Brakes all the way :D
Especially recommended on a steep hill in the woods when you forget the old crap hasnt been maintained in a hundred years.
But seriously ill give up performance every day of the week if i get simplicity for it.
And if youre breaks arent the best everything feels faster anyway.
But hey im not blaming people wanting to feel like a athlete with an expensive bike but you can have the same fun with a 20 dollar bike so why bother?
I get your point, but there is a middle ground - mechanical disc brakes. More heat dissipation, comparable brake performance, option to upgrade later, better rim and tyre selection - and at this point not really extra cost (buying or servicing) compared to decent rim brakes. Yes, they may be absent from higher speed (10-12s) drivetrain, but I would argue those are more superfluous on a budget.
Somebody getting into cycling is more likely to be heavier, have only 1 bike to use for everything, including carrying cargo (commute, bike packing etc.), have inner tubes, lack the proper braking skill downhill, thus limiting the possibility of overheating is really nice.
Yeah, maybe it's the worst feeling, but from a pure performance/value point they are the top. I was never able to justify paying for hydraulic setups, but cable discs are the only way for me.
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thanks sir!
Brakes and gears are for people who are trying to compensate for skills they lack.
Ride fixed.
This guy gets it!
That’s a long winded way of saying you don’t do any remarkable ascents/descents.
@Djacob_ I'm proud of you for trying to use "long winded" in a sentence, but you'll look like less of a bellend if you know the definition first. Do better next time.
@@the6ig6adwolf I know what it means. You just don’t understand sarcasm.
@@the6ig6adwolf that’s a long winded way of saying that I’m right.