OMG ... hysterical. 😂 As an Fe living with two lead Fi’s, this was SO accurate. In their minds people are all good or all bad, and these judgments feel so arbitrary to me. Fe seems to process people more multi-dimensionally: People are all combinations of good and bad. I don’t think one way of relating is better than the other, but my Fi’s seem to struggle inordinately more with relationships. The Fe isn’t lying about liking people - we just like their good qualities and put the rest in perspective since everyone is annoying or imperfect on some level. This was so fun to watch!
I think it is less about the good vs bad and more about purely whether you can stand being around them or not. There are some people who I know are mostly good people but I still hate them, and there are others who I know are evil that I can't help but love. I know it's dumb, but my Fi just can't seem to let it go. I used to think lead Fe's were soulless psychopaths for being able to act out whichever emotion was needed each moment, but I am starting to understand them more now.
@@RockySmithsen This is really interesting. What you say resonates with my experience with Fi-doms. I’m not sure whether some people just violate their values or have mannerisms that rub them the wrong way, but as an Fe user, I have a hard time figuring out why they so strongly dislike some people, who from my observation just seem to have the baseline level of flaws that we all have. Don’t get me wrong - even Fe’s can hate people, but I find it takes a LOT to move beyond just seeing someone whose flaws are coming out to someone I can’t stand. Anyway, good convo!! TFS!
What’s mesmerizing is how their egos miss entirely, the fact that Ryan R. Jr. does this to everyone, and doesn’t even think twice about what they are thinking. -FE
"Te aren't really lying they're just going along" Yep..same with Fe, they're not lying to people they just go along. If you do the math its because there's no perfect person and everyone is annoying to some extent they focus on what they can appreciate. Te: "sure, that idea will work, for you, at this time" Fe: "Sure, you're annoying in that situation so I'm only gonna interact with you in other situations"..
I mean, I supposedly have Te Fi, too (just self-typing, so nothing serious). My reaction was like "oh, I act like this, huh? I can see that... I have to stop acting like a piece of sht, then." It's not "oh wow, I do thaaaat, yay hehehehe" like Dave and Shan seem to be doing here. I'm actually pretty sure that it was this channel that taught me to think like this, too.
My husband is FB friends with my enemies, nobody understands why it bothers me so much. These people are really bad. Some happen to be his family but not all. I feel like we will never be connected because of it. I feel like he is also my enemy because he continues to even associate with them.
Had an ENTJ boss who HATED me, and she loved one other coworker. When she found out we two were good friends outside of work she started snubbing my friend.
As a dom Fi user this is relatable in that I get quick/strong emotional impressions. It's true that I am quick to hate, but when I use the word "hate" I am referring to having a strong INTERNAL emotional reaction to a behavior I have observed about that person - but at the same time I am aware that it is just my feelings - meaning that same person could come up to me, have a good conversation and we could walk out the best of friends. Hate / Love as not being that different ring true for me. There's a lot of people I hate but there is nobody I've ever run across who I would fight them/cause conflict/do them wrong in any way and I don't relate with what Dave/Shan are saying where anyone who LIKES the person I hate is an enemy now/vise versa. I still listen to people I hate. I still give them opportunities, respect and tolerance. BUT I STILL HAVE A STRONG DISLIKING TOWARDS THEM. Those aren't mutually exclusive. If FE is looking at the spectrum of I see good/bad qualities of a person. Fi is: I am looking at moment to moment, day-to-day interaction DEEPLY and so open to change as I get to know you better and because I cannot know deeply what I do not know-- I think I learned from an early age to understand that "hatred feeling" is actually signifying to me: unknown/unfamiliar rather than "enemy"
I agree with the previous comment, I am mesmerized by your awareness of yourself! Psychology has been showing for years that people stick to their first impressions most of the time, but you actively working on changing your impression is inspirational for me
That is wild. Thanks for explaining. But why say “hate” why not just say “I don’t know like that” or “they’re alright” or “not my favorite”? Sorry my Fe just came out lol.
Well, my Ti is like " hate them because they are dumb" but then my Fe comes in like "but I want them to like me" and then my Ti goes back again like "ugh, fine, I'll find the reason to not be mean and lie right to their faces but I'm still gonna hate them "
For me its a little different. My Ti just writes some people off as "Stupid" and calls it a day, but I'm still a polite person naturally, so I politely say good morning to them, and just kind of treat them as if they live in a different dimension until I have to interact with them. You like/dislike a few things about a person, but pleasantries exist so I don't mind that much. Saying good morning to someone you don't like doesn't mean you still like them. Then again, I'm not tied to my personal feelings, so.. Imagine having to be emotionally authentic at every moment? You're asking for a fight every day.
As a double decider TiFe, this entire experience is... just exhausting! I mean, it's lovely to be randomly *really* liked by an Fi user, but then you have to listen to all the things they randomly *really* dislike (which is exhausting), and tiptoe around wondering when I'm going to inadvertently say something apparently unforgiveable (which is exhausting). All the time thinking "can't we all just chill out a bit?"
The tiptoeing part too happened to me when i dealt with Fi in personal life. But if we are not close i troll them and let them know to get respect you have to be deserving of it.
Oddly im an infp living with a very loud and socially reclusive enfj who can be the only one in the room with a thought or opinion and its not even from being a sociopath they're not they're just completely immature. So yeah
My fe is quite low. i would say im pretty much indifferent about most people and have maybe hated 2 or 3 people in my entire life. i dislike groups of people but i find it hard to hate individuals if that makes sense
I've typed myself as Si/Ti and I relate a lot with everything you said. I hated 1 or 2 persons in my entire life, and this hate didn't last long, nowadays I don't feel nothing about them. And just like you said, I dislike some groups of people, but it's a lot more because of their ideas, or things they do that don't make sense to me, than because of the individuals that belong to this group. Truth is I don't have very strong feelings about most people
@Joshua Lister i think it's a Di thing in general. People just get immeasurably dumber and more insufferable in groups. But on their own it's easier to see their redeeming qualities and empathize with them
Sometimes i get even annoyed at myself that i should be hating this person. Why does hate doesn't come naturally to me? But people annoys me in general.(due to low Fe)
Lol I'm sitting here like, uh can't you see both sides? Can't you see that even though they have some negative quality that they are worthy of love and have way more positive than negative? I guess I have high Fe then. To me, the only enemy is whoever makes enemies of other people. People will say negative things about other people to me and I immediately am looking at the positive side, like, "maybe this person is doing this because of this, not because they hate you or are your enemy. Like, this person is not actually as bad as you're saying they are." I don't know what my myers-briggs type is but I know I'm an enneagram 9.
I agree, why are they creating an 'us and them' situation. It's feeding into a duality, where there is none? Dave and Shan are probably hated by most of their neighbors too for some other half-witted reason, so by feeding into a duality they make this hatred more real and make their neighbors hate them more. By treating their neighbors that way, they are showing this is how they want to be treated in return. What boggles my mind is when they imply Fe is saying 'love everyone'. No you don't have to ACTUALLY love everyone the same way you love a spouse or parent, just love in a way that recognises you are no different or better than the other. The thing you hate about the other person is probably something you unconsciously hate within yourself. There are no enemies in that regard.
@@beehive3275 I mean, they pointed that out in their video when they said that it’s the Te inefficiency that bothers them. So it’s not like they don’t look at where they are at fault. But see, this is a difference between whether you believe you have the right to have feelings regardless of qualifications. You, here, are essentially disqualifying feelings by saying that if there are reasons that suggest you shouldn’t feel some way - then you shouldn’t. I’m willing to bet that you don’t actually believe that though because that would basically mean not respecting a person’s right to emotionally respond to stimuli - which just doesn’t make sense. So if we dig a little deeper, I think what you’re really saying is that these people, if they can’t be flexible with their feelings and change them at will, should refrain from saying disparaging things about their neighbors. They should at least control their behavior to stop the spread of negativity. To a degree you’re probably right about that and I’m sure Dave & Shan don’t go to the FF household at the end of the street and rail on them to their faces...but keep in mind what the theme of this channel is. We’re hear to explore the cognitive functions and the way that they result in different behavioral responses in humans. So it isn’t like the anecdote about the neighbors is unrelated to the topics they’re trying to teach. The thing about Fi is that I do understand much better now where Fi people are coming from. I have lead Ti - and I can’t just “change” my beliefs. Growing up, people told me I should say I’m agnostic instead of atheist because it makes people uncomfortable. But the truth is - growing up - I flatly did not believe in god AT ALL. There was not a shred of belief in my mind that god might exist. So what people were really telling me is that I should sacrifice my values and morals, and lie, even though it makes me feel about about myself, just to spare other people an unpleasant fact. Now, emotionally, I’m flexible. I don’t really think of my emotions as being “real” or being a significant part of me, so it doesn’t mean that much to me to shift them around and see various perspectives in an effort to better the experience of others. But I can’t do the same thing with what I believe is the truth. Truth is truth. You probably have an inflexible aspect of your personality. So to better understand why these things are the way they are, try to find where you’re inflexible - and realize that the degree to which you will stay in that sinking shop surpasses reasonable decision making.
@Justin Stubblefield This sounds very much like feminine Ti over masculine Fe. @A K And thank you for providing the masculine Ti response. I would add that the "inflexible" parts in someone's life (by definition) tend to correlate with your masculine functions.
@@shiro1744 Ah you know what? I think I may be an I_TP. I watched another video of theirs on demon Fe and that's definitely what I have. I think I'm very understanding of both sides of an argument so as not to push either side away from me (wanting to please the tribe so the tribe doesn't hate me).
5:59 nailed it! Fe on Fi: Even when folks do things that don't Te work for us, we can still love them for [subjective] Ti reasons other than how they [subjectively] Fi value us. My Ti reason: Because loving people makes them feel good regardless of their functions. 🤗
(ISTP) With Fe last, I listen to people enough to dish out some custom tailored goodness or make them laugh. Humor and general feelings of positivity shared is the BEST lubricant to slip out of most unwanted social encounters. Then I can get back to being my own version of me in my social bubble of 1.
I had a intj actually say this .. when I could see another persons view and I was called traitor..I was like I see her point of view, I dont know her, so cos I dont know her , how can I hate someone.. so stupid. I would dance around situation, over stuff I knew would piss him off, nope in the end I middle fingered and split.. That's too weird . Entp
The way you guys convey info through humour is just so fantastic! 🤗❤️ Regarding the topic: I'm an ENFP, very fortunate in always finding friends that I feels close to and like. I get on with most of the rest and try to be diplomatic even if I don't like someone. My father, INFP, is so Fi ..he hates the neibours and once got so pissed at me for being nice to them. He was shouting " you can't be nice to assholes! They're not nice!" It's funny ..but he was so enraged with me because it was as if I had betrayed him! So as some other commentators, I too wonder if position of Fi matters.
This is why I don't fit in with groups. They always seem to start talking about someone expecting me to agree or sympathise and I don't say anything. Inside I'm screaming, I will make up my own mind about who I like! Outside I'm just neutral. They don't like me when I don't immediately agree or become equally....whatever feeling they have about said person. huh.
"How do you get a Ti to go along with a dumb idea?" If they're an observer, tell them it's to prank someone. If they're a decider, tell them that you need to learn about the thing.
This is SO fascinating! "Do these people not hate so much!?" Yes! I've never quite understood how people can WANT to hate- or want other people to hate- other people! -Even abusers! (And I'm pretty sure I have savior Ti! ...But still!) ...And then 2020 chaos/craziness happens, and I find it's really easy to hate... Still don't want to! (God help me!)
As a self typed Si/Ti, this is very relatable for me. I don't see the point of hating people, it doesn't seem logical for me. I hated one or two people in my entire life and the hate didn't last long.
@@josehenriquefs888 I should add that it's not so much that I find Hatred illogical, but... a, it FEELS unchristian (there's a bit of Nuance to that- but that's still how it feels), & b, that... it interferes with UNDERSTANDING people! That's my experience.
@@TheBookgeek7 I get what you're saying, it feels wrong. The few times I did hate someone, I felt like I was betraying my identity as a christian... Also, I can't help but seeing the good side of each person, ignoring this and seeing the person as a villain feels wrong and seems illogical, it hurts my Fe and my Ti at the same time
Reading these comments is making me think “hate is a strong word” was probably popularised by Fe-doms 😂😂. When I Fi-hate someone, it’s not like actual active hatred. More like a dismissal because I recognised something in someone that is offensive to my (very personal and subjective) Fi. Like no I don’t want you in my life, you broke this Fi rule so you’re exiled 😂. Like I don’t know how to be friends with someone who does things I* find immoral or “bad”. I lack the nuance needed to appreciate all their other positive attributes while knowing this immoral thing about them 😬 even when it’s none of my business. I know Fe-doms who can see the spectrum. They choose not to judge and disqualify people on actions that don’t immediately pertain to their relationship with the people.
Yeah, I don't get it. It just comes off as immature. Unless the person has given me a reason to dislike them, I wont. I try to live in peace with others as much as possible. That's the Fe speaking. If I didn't like them, I'd keep my distance.
I actually think the issue D&S are having stems from savior Te needing to compare and mark those who are different or weird. Demon Fi is insecure about the self “I’m not weird, they’re weird”. Savior Fi wouldn’t care as much, they would just assume there’s a reason some people are different and keep to themselves, but instead with demon Te wonder “I hope they don’t think I’m weird”
@@LemonMeIon you're right xntjs are notoriously judgemental, quick to judge and see things as black and white. Dom Fi appears less friendly compared to dom Fe but it's not as judgemental. That's why Esfjs are the gossip kings and queens.
@@SS-bu8ez It's strange though because I've been typed an ENFJ and so an Fe dom but I'm really not judgemental at all? I'm usually empathetic and know there's usually a reason for people acting the way they are? I really dislike gossip... something related to intuition perhaps idk?
Okay I don’t have Fi... not INTJ. Definitely INFJ. I don’t like being friends with neighbors (I’ll even go out of my way to hide or avoid them if I can, like drive around the block until they go inside, or pretend I’m not home... nothing makes me cringe more than catching a neighbor in the hall or elevator or getting out of my car at the same time they do... 🙄 it’s like, ah man, now I got to people) but I don’t hate them or regard them as enemies... I don’t ruthlessly dislike or like people, I just regard them as: that’s how neighbors are 🤷🏻♀️ . My sister, on the other hand (ESFP) does that. We will be eating at a restaurant and she’ll just hate the waitress. I’ll ask, “What did she do to you!? She’s just doing her job!” And my sister will say, “I just don’t like her. She gave me a dirty look.” 😆 And then for the whole visit she’s commenting on all the reasons why she hates the waitress or she’s bad at her job. My mom is an ESFJ and she picks up people and houses them like stray cats. She’s in everyone’s business around the block and knows all the juicy info. The only neighbor she hates is probably the Fi-user who told her to back off. 😂 Also, if I walked into someone’s house I’d be checking out the things that “don’t make sense” like the shoddy job of your table or if the house is organized or designed in a slapdash way. I might even lose a little respect for the house with the things or people in it that “don’t make sense”.
@@joshuasukup2488 You’re not too far off. I usually get typed by practitioners as INTJ but they also say their second guess is INFJ. My INTP partner thinks I’m an INFJ jumper. Your guess is as good as mine. 😆 I think it’s hardest to tell between Ti and Te rather than Fi/Fe. Are you thinking INTJ jumper or INFJ jumper? I wish it was as clear cut as DSP makes it. What’s your type?
Omg yess... The gravity of my Fi can outweigh my lead Te-Ni's way of reasoning through it like they're an okay person overall. It's like I can almost have enough (whatever it is) to accept someone but just certain qualities or past history with them, once I've recognized them just demolishes any sense of escape from that gravity lol. At the same time, the satisfaction from aligning myself in accordance with my feelings, just feels soo exacting and justified and divine. It literally doesnt matter. But that's only true for blatant right and wrongs. The people who im *iffy* about are the ones I stay up at night about, because I associate only with ppl who have integrity imo. So not being able to assign that affects my trust
That’s a good and helpful gem of a point that was sprinkled in there on Ti vs Te, a distinction im trying to analyze for myself right now. It’s funny when you said that you would lie to someone about Te stuff, I got very uncomfortable like ‘Um no, no, you can’t do that’, not that you were wrong about your theory but that what you were doing felt wrong to imagine myself doing. Then you spoke the key « bc it’s not our identities » Ahh there it is. I’m thinking that that’s why I got so uncomfortable. When you proposed lying, my head was like ‘No we can’t let them think that we think their dumb idea is good. They have to know we’re better than that.’ Identity. Gotcha. You’re geniuses.
I was shopping with an FiNe friend of mine before XMas. We were looking for gifts for friends and family. Came across a pink chequered shirt - "Oh my god" she laughed "That is horrific, who the fuck would wear that" "I don't know, I reckon I could pull it off" I immediately realised my catastrophic error. She hung her head low, stared at it unresponsively for a solid 30 seconds, and wandered off around the shop alone for a few minutes. Presumably while re-evaluating our entire friendship. Fi-Te axis is wild. I love it. Makes the best friends you could ask for.
My favorite part of the whole thing is their website - “It’s not our job to teach you” ... “If you don’t get it, too bad.” Absolutely MBTI for Te users. Not saying it’s bad, but it amuses me. 😂
The weirdness of people being weirded out by other people fascinates me. Especially from "sociable" people. I have "spectrums" of relationships with people for various reasons, so I don't usually get caught up in the "friendship abyss".
@@NicStride I dont go down the rabbit hole of no returned with people. People are autonomous and mulit-dimensional. Those that want "all" of a person too deeply will find themselves chasing air.
@Ally Carraway am Fe(Although I may be NiTi). I either chameleon after others, meaning I know I have a various traits within myself, and can only handle others in doses just the same
As an ENTP this all seems too foreign to me, like hating someone just because some chemicals in your brain tell you to, and not only that expecting others to follow along without even having a good reason? I mean you do you, but if you expect me to hate someone just because you hate them, I would rather go and befriend the person you hate than just follow along for something as illogical than that. Have to admit tho, that I can't really judge because I do not know what its like to be like that, I do not think I have ever hated anyone in my life. Of course, there are people that annoy me, specially if they tell me what to do and or believe without giving a good reason. But I just avoid them if they do it too much, no need to hate them tho, it accomplishes nothing.
As an ENFP here who’s an aspiring writer and currently trying to write a rivalry between my ENTP protagonist and ENTJ minor antagonist, this makes it hard 😭 how am I supposed to capture an ENTP being driven to hate someone if ENTPs are too logical to do that most of the time? Dang, I thought the differing cognitive functions would be enough for them to constantly butt heads and then trying to control/overthrow each others’ points of view could eventually lead to a lot of anger, but I now feel like the ENTJ is gonna be easier to aggravate than the ENTP 😭😂 aaaagh
@@sophiaredwood5825 Now I wouldn't say there can be direct hatred, but there are a few ways we can have an strong feeling with Fe. One of them can be guilt, and guilt can easily cloud one's judgement. The ENTP could have done something he greatly regrets (if it ended in heavily hurting both physically and emotionally someone the ENTP appreciated) which heavily changed the ENTP driven by guilt and the ENTJ could have several qualities that remind him of his past self... Another one, could be directly linked to emotional harmony, the ENTP could be convinced in some way that the ENTJ is to some detriment to society and if the ENTJ refuses to give a compelling logical argument to his behavior can create a deep animosity between the two. Now, not having strong emotions, doesn't mean ENTPs are good, that depends on the person. So another one could be that the ENTP is psychopathic or sociopathic, but personally I am sick of that trope, of the mentally disturbed antagonist, unless it is done with nuance. I personally prefer characters that reside more on grey areas. But it is your book, so you can write it however, you'd like.
@@sophiaredwood5825 ENTPs can hate someone, but usually it's a wrapped in a pleasant attitude. However once Fe goes away, prepare for the blunt thoughts.
@@sophiaredwood5825 It's easy for FE users to hate but it's more based on actions or how the person behaves in relation to others. For example, if you hurt someone the FE user likes, they'll be mad af and may develop a deep seated hatred for the perpetrator. I've seen Fe & Ti users hating people for acting the 'wrong' way, even if there is nothing wrong with that 'wrong' way of acting, if you know what I mean, so it's not just Fi users that hate irrationally. On a side note: it's easier to forgive for Fe users since if someone's actions change it makes sense to change our feelings for them too.
Whenever I have those moments where contemplate whether I’ve just typed myself all wrong and I’m somehow Savior Fe instead of Feminine Fi, I realize that it feels so outrageously inauthentic it feels for me to agree with anyone on anything that I feel differently about. I could dislike a person, but if my friend likes that person, I’ll try to adapt to their stance just because I feel like we have to like the same people to be friends. Which isn’t true at all; I’m just terrible at handling any kind of disagreement like that! So I’ll try to adjust my views in the moment, and then go home and take myself apart mentally because I feel like a fraud sometimes when I appeal to false common ground with other people. And meanwhile, there are Fe people who don’t make this such a big deal, and just naturally see the best in people and try to befriend them all and don’t freak out about how they stand with every. single. human. being. And how to communicate those stances and levels to their close friends, if at all. 😭😂
Fi & Te people "pet peeve" will never be relatable for me. They seem to be offended by things I have no trouble with, yet they think I'm such a morally evil person when I do something they disagree about.
I wonder how masculine and feminine Fe or Fi play into this too. I have definitely had "Masculine Fe" friends have the same expectation of group hatred towards a person they hate or gtfo.
I don't get the Fi/Te's. I don't want to hate anyone. That's an awful feeling. Even people who I don't particularly like, I don't wanna have any strong negative feelings towards them. Positive indifference is a good minimum. I think I can count the number of people I met in my life, who I genuinely hate, on one hand. And even with those people, that's my personal problem. I wouldn't dislike another person just for being friends with someone I hate. And Fe doesn't love as much as Fi? I don't believe that. Sure, your love is intense. Absolutely! But the Fe's feelings can be just be as intense. Only difference is that Fi is more attentive towards the emotion. That's the same thing as saying Te wouldn't be able to understand logic. Any Te user can (and often does!) understand shit as well as Ti. But your attention isn't directed at the detailed understanding the way Ti is. Doesn't mean Te is stupid or Fe feelings are less legit. Sorry for the rant, this one got me a bit mad. But maybe a little irony disclaimer every once in a while would do the trick? If your intent is to teach about your system, I'm a little worried about the first impression a new viewer might get from videos like this.
I'm an Fi and Te user: INTJ. Once I know someone's a Trump supporter, that's it: they're dead to me. There's NO recovering from that. Imagine the truely dreadful things it says about your: values, character and judgement of character, not to mention clarity of thought-akin to that of mud, and COMPLETE lack of critical thinking skills. I have NEVER met an intelligent Trump supporter. Ever. Not even once in the past six years. And I'm sorry, but Fi does love (and hate) more intensely. I mean, pretty much everyone prone to limerence is an Fi user.
3000%%% agree. I understood nothing said in this video as Fe dom. NOTHING. But I must admit, as Ti inferior I do get weird about my ideologies and personal opinions. If you disagree with them or believe I “shouldn’t think like that”, then you gotta go. We can’t be close. Te would look at that and be like “What’s the big deal? Chill out.” So I guess that’s what Fi does. Sooo weird. I guess with emotions though, Fi just looks childish. If you don’t like what I like then I don’t like you. What adult thinks like that? At least according to the Fe dom. 😂
Imagine assuming all trump supporters are sub human, what does that say about YOUR values, character and judgement of character, fool? I fking guarantee u if u interacted with every trump supporter ur gonna become friends with a few when u didn’t know they were trump supporters.
THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE! The Fi doms I know just seem to arbitrarily hate or love people with a fury that I THOUGHT I didn't relate to until you compared Te and Ti and I'm like...wait, yes, I DO rank people by their capacity for stupid and immediately rule out swaths of people for tasks or topics. And I WOULD be like "yes but does Fuckfactory at least assemble shit properly as she's giving birth to her 15th child instead of just duct taping or chocolate blocking her wiring?"
From an enfj perspective, all that’s going through my mind is: oh, that’s fascinating. They have a lot of kids and are doing a lot of things and it is very visible because they keep driving back and forth and so maybe you start to feel inadequate about your life and insecure because you think other people are objectively judging you as less than because you’re not running around and doing a bunch of shit and so that’s your way of shutting them out so you don’t have to process those uncomfortable feelings. Then when people comment on the fact that they like the person that makes you feel this way, your Fi says “you also think I am inadequate” and then shuts them out too. And then I wonder if you would react to someone throwing this idea out (totally without judgement btw-we all do this at some point to some extent😂) negatively because it plays back into a fear of other people judging you. Could be wrong, I don’t know. I’m not you. Live your life and I will live my life of FeNi-ing around😊 Hate me if you please😂.
I am ENFP and dont really dont care if my friend likes someone I hate, and i would like for the same to apply to me (although it doesnt apply usually lol). I'm wondering if placement of Fi matters... Or if it's because I have Ne above Fi, so I'm like ok, I can see that perspective...why you may still like "ABC" although I hate "ABC"
Being an observer rather than a decider, you should be able to switch between Fi and Te pretty easily since they're in the middle. You'd just go psycho every blow up with all the Si missing information, and anyone with Se would constantly be like "Why is that the one piece of sensory that you're hung up on" Our craziness is just relative... like I have issues using my Ti blockhead logic banging to create any sort of intentional vibe since I have Fe at the bottom. Like I can pick up on vibes super easily (my Fe is feminine), but I can't direct a vibe in any direction I want without it being riddled with weird energy. Worse than that, my brain defaults to thinking the vibe was off because of everyone else, not because of me. It's hard to get out of your own head that way, I guess.
As a person with low but healthy Fe, the strong emotional attachment of some Fi users freaks me out. It can be so strong and completely illogical that I literally begin to distrust the person. How can they grow so attached so easily? It feels unhealthy. I work with youths that are still developing their Fi. How do I help/walk alongside them as they develop this function?
Fi is not supposed to be logical. It just is. You Fe people also have it, we Tes can see it. You just put it into some Ti framework retrospectively to make it seem like your specific values are in sync with group values. It is for protection. Ti-Fe usually understand only their own craft. Te-Fi are way better/faster at solving unusual problems that randomly occur. So when such thing happen to Ti-Fe, they try to shift blame to someone else so that they don't have to deal with it, because they don't know how. Or how to even start. Fe are like sheep, trying to stay in a herd at all cost. Pushing others away if necessary. Te are like wolfs. Staying in a pack is optional.
@@breakfastenjoyer It suppose to. Ti need to have only nice things to be said about them. So they can believe, that there is nothing wrong with them. That analogy is precise, but it was made in style, that will provoke a reaction from Ti. This is why Te are better at problem solving. Fi understands human needs and Te knows, how to look for their signs in others.
I have typed myself as an INFP, and I would say the best way you can help those young Fi users is to just treat them nicely, don’t be too harsh or critical on them even when you think you are right. You probably are right, and at the end of the day despite whatever happens we will probably come to realize that you are right. BUT we won’t accept it if we haven’t managed our feelings yet. If the Fi user wants to do something, but they don’t know how, and they come to you for help, but you think it’s illogical to do it, just be careful of how you start to convince them that they are wrong. They may feel very strongly about their decision, and if you immediately give them logical reasoning for why that decision is wrong, they may get very upset at you at that moment. Handle the feelings first, make sure you aren’t coming off as aggressive, ask them why they came to that decision. Then acknowledge how they feel, tell them that their feelings are valid, even if you think it’s not, because otherwise they may feel betrayed. Asking why they feel a certain way can help them process through their feelings better, and the quicker they do that, the quicker they can see your reasoning. Then once they know you are on their side, you can then tell them why they are wrong, although be gentle about it. You could also try leading them to see your reasoning by using some creative questioning. Instead of giving them a statement or a fact, which they don’t have to process and can ignore, rephrase what you want to say with a question so that way they will have to process it in order to answer it. TL;DR: Strong Fi feelings are easily triggered, please handle with care. Address the feelings first before you address the logic. Once Fi user sees that you care about how they feel and that you are not the enemy, they will open up to what you are thinking.
Guys thanks I just come up with a way to deal with this my Fe finds the good in people and love them for it and my Ti rejects anyone who disagree with it so I should reinforce my Fi with Ti and my Te With Fe
Help, I'm losing it too with this one. A few years ago I made the assumption that Fe users didn't have real feelings towards other people because they didn't have as much "depth" to them as Fi users, oops. 😂
To me, there are but TI catches them and instantly analyzes them to determine if there is any validity to them, but I am an ENTP. Not sure how it would be for an Fe dom tho. But for me the personal emotions are not that strong, and rarely do I notice them fully, so while I do like some people more than others, it has never been that strong where I would actually hate someone.
@@farrex0 I feel like high Fe users cater themselves to the room with such ease, whereas Fi’s would always be looking out for information that connects to their values and if they can’t find it they’d feel like they’re in the presence of opposing / uninteresting ideals and therefore leave or create resistance. So it looks out for authenticity I reckon, which Fe could potentially have too but doesn’t really put at full exposure / doesn’t feel is as necessary as harmony?
About the only people I hate (correct use of the word) is bullies. And after this episode I feel like maybe it is because strong FI is so foreign to me. By the way I am confident I have FE high in my stack.
You guys are probably Todd and Margo to everyone on that street. 😂 From Christmas Vacation. At least you know you have the problem. That means you aren't that bad. 😊
4:00 This reminds me how absolutely pissed my ISFP friend was when she overheard me causally say hi to her mortal enemy neighbor when I passed him in the stairway. I can't imagine what would happen if I actually had a conversation and gave him her phone nr. I'd never go that far tho, I'm happy with just having inferior Fe.
I think demon Fe will relate to a lot of this, too, but without the vitriol. I have no feelings about my neighbors other than relief that they only contact us when it seems like our house might be on fire. Even when people insist on play-blasting at me I rarely hate them. I just avoid them out of self-preservation.
Interesting... I’m an INFP and I don’t relate at all to the ‘don’t speak to our enemies’ but I relate 1000% to ‘the people in the blue house are dead to me because of their annoying shit’. I’m curious how other Fi saviors relate to this whole thing? Personally, I don’t have the energy to form strong opinions about most people but if you rub against my Fi that’ll change fast (and that opinion will be stronnnng). HOWEVER I don’t expect anyone else to share my opinion... and I am very leery of ‘loyalty’. I click with people whose values align pretty well with mine (and moreso if they don’t hold values which cause friction with mine), and I may have no use for f@ckfactory (awesome nickname btw!) but if you like them that’s your thing. I will probably make some inferences about your values based on you liking a person that I’ve decided against, but if I can determine that the values you connect with them on are not a deal-breaker between you and me, then I’m happy for you to like them, on your own time, just don’t expect me to change MY opinion of them. I’ve always felt like it’s the Fe’s who want us to all share a common judgement - ‘that person is a jerk’. Cancel culture feels Fe to me (much like fad culture, let’s all decide that person/thing is terrible/great because other people say so, without taking the time and energy to determine our own personal feelings on the matter’). I think of Fi more as ‘~I~ think that person is a jerk and won’t partake of them any more’ or ‘I refuse to go to the neighborhood party if they will be there’ (LOL, as if I’d ever go to a neighborhood party)... I hold no expectation that YOU will share my opinion, in fact I EXPECT you to form your own opinion and also to respect my personal decision about that person. Likewise, if I came to your house and for whatever reason I did like f@factory, I am not going to pretend to dislike them and/or bash or cancel them because of your feelings toward them. I will refrain from defending them even if I like them to be polite (because AFAIC it’s between you and them) and probably just avoid them as a topic of conversation. I thought this was more of an Fe thing, or maybe Demon Fx... but I see other INFPs in the comments who seem to relate to it. The more I think about it I did do this when I was young, but it caused me a LOT of cognitive dissonance and noticing it has actually helped me to be more true to my Fi over the decades.
This is a very mature thing to say (regardlesse of type) and even tho I'm fe, I also really appreciate it when others also dislike cancel culture (glad I'm not alone lol). I feel like a lot of it is due to ne tbh, we are all naturally aware of people different points of views and different perspectives and therefore also of our own subjective expirience as human being. So we can naturally see someone with a different expirience to ours and naturally accept that kind of. If that makes sense.
(bluntness alert) You guys seem to dislike people completely arbitrarily. I do also dislike some people, but they have to cross me again and again to make that happen. Even then, I try to seek out their positive traits as I believe we should all get along. /ENFJ, with an inferior Ti that just lashed out at you
RIGHT??? I thought this channel was supposed to be inviting towards all types, but this video 100% did NOT show that. I, as an Fe user, can definitely say I dislike this video. Why do I dislike it? Because of the impact this could have on others. This just isn’t personal, but it feels like an attack on Fe-users, like they’re laughing at them. We just care about harmony. That’s all!
@@cdcs_edits 11 months later (thanks to UA-cam tracking this), I'm trying to process it again. I guess they don't like the other person's identity, which conflicts with their own values (Fi) or think they're dumb (Te) and so don't like the person. For me to dislike someone, I would not like the person's way of dealing with others - thinking they're anti-social (Fe) or their disregarding of my ideas (Ti) and then dislike them. I guess I get the vid a bit better now, but the actual content could have been a lot clearer and less of a cross between 'choose your own adventure' and connect-the-dots. That is, more sensory. And I'm an intuitive dom, for the record.
@@wolfsurvival2009 Yeah, I get what you’re saying. But my problem with their channel is that they laugh and make fun of stuff more than they inform, which annoys me. Does that make sense? Lol. And I just feel as if they have a bias on Te users. They’re called Objective Personality, but they’re extremely subjective.
This is all good. Idea to think about: Since you find association between the decider functions and people as opposed to things, I propose making your microphone analogy people-oriented instead. As a potential Savior Ti type individual, I would get a lot more passionate (I think) about a person being or speaking or arguing inefficiently than an object being inefficient. Genuinely curious what you think. Does that make sense? Sound plausible for your working theories?
Because you guys have the Liz Lemon intellectual , superiority complex 😆 Yeah, I watched a video today ..I made some sort of connection. 🥸 NiFe here and I kept thinking the entire time, 'oh my gosh, what if these neighbors watch this video??' Lol!!!
My Demon Fe not only gives me "Hulk Syndrome" but also means pretty much the entire tribe, excepting immediate family and one or two extremely good friends, are just an amorphous blob of sameness. No idols, no hero to worship, no role models, just a sea of Humanity bobbing around me doing mildly different things. Occaisionaly one or other will start producing good ideas or facts for my current Ti thing which causes me to pay attentiotn to them for a while (ahem...this channel now) until I have acquired all the facts I need about the "thing" and then you fade back into the sea of Human blur
OMG, that is SO TRUE about us Te users going along all the time. INTJ here and I do that all the time at work. I can see EVERYONE's point and perspective. I'm always like "yeah, okay" nodding my head. I think I might even have feminine Te so it's worse (my Fi is like don't F*CK with my recycling bin) but I never get mad at anyone about work stuff. I think the ESFJ hates when I do that because she jsut wants me to commiserate with her about the horrible coworker. I can't do it. I think she just needs to RELAX!
My ex was like this. He was complaining that a friend of his was still friends with a guy that he hated. He couldnt understand why his friend was friends with someone he didn't like, and he took it as a personal insult. It was so weird. I have Fe, but it's last. @1:43 omg lol. I'm INTP, pretty much that. @5:02 I'm not into microscopes but in a related area, id probably just build my own from scratch at that point.
Fi is so alien to me that it's hard for me to believe you guys really think like this... Why I can't like you and the guy you hate? And why you hate this guy, in the first place? For me, hating people seems like such a waste of energy
I can't believe they really think like this, it comes across as immature to me in the way they presented it because there are no established reasons for them to go as far as "hating" these people. Although high Te users can have a pretty shallow Fi, they will usually give little direct importance to Fi unless it is directly attacked, and certainly not "hate" someone for such ridiculous reasons, although they absolutely can lack in appreciation. So they're just being excessive, which seems to mislead a lot of people in the comment section into thinking it is funny to lend themselves to petty passions. As for your question, hatred, if it really is, presupposes a form of conflict. So it makes sense to me that one would see a friend with an enemy as a form of treason. I don't really think it is an Fi/Fe thing either... I've seen quite a few Fe users demonstrated forms of dislike (never really hatred, people don't hate in real life unless highly immature) to the extent of showing forms of disrespect to a friend's association to such and such. I think a lot of people delude themselves in these comments.
I'm not sure if I have Fi, but for me I can say that maybe it's like a form of "betrayal" for Fi. But it depends on the level of the hatred. There's the dislike and there's the hate. For ex. A hurt an Fi user badly and saw that her best friend is friendly with A. This Fi user might thinks that the best friend doesn't actually likes them. For me myself I tried to understand that everyone can be friends with anybody. If it's people whom I hold dearly, I will tell them about A so that they can be cautious of. If they want to be friends with them, then I'm okay although I would be hurt a little. However, if we're not that close, I wouldn't be hurt if they're friendly to that person and woulnd't tell them about A's deeds. What I cannot understand are the really dramatic people who are like the regeneration of the "mean girls".
@@_laifishardisntit_1379 Ok, this case is understandable. Even a Fe user would feel betrayed if their best friend is too friendly with someone who made awfull things to them. But there are some people that hate someone without any good reason and expect their friends to share the same irrational feeling. That's what I don't understand.
As an ENTP, I can definitely feel the pain of Ryan reynolds jr. for making the effort of befriending you (Fe), despite the indirect rejection. Though I can't really blame you (Te) for disliking the guy. BTW (Play last) here.
Omg now I finally understand what the rub is between my bf and me! I'm Te/fi and he is Ti/fe. Now I understand when he kind of loses it, when i just want 'fix' the window, to fix the window, let's just get it done, and he wants to fix the window perfectly, needs to theorize and explore the whole bleeping thing, and i just don't understand who has the time for that, cause if it works it works 😂....and he always goes on and on about how i should see ppl more nuanced(this would prob be a good thing tough) & he finds me kind of rigid and unforgiving at times 😂😂😂
OMG ... hysterical. 😂 As an Fe living with two lead Fi’s, this was SO accurate. In their minds people are all good or all bad, and these judgments feel so arbitrary to me. Fe seems to process people more multi-dimensionally: People are all combinations of good and bad. I don’t think one way of relating is better than the other, but my Fi’s seem to struggle inordinately more with relationships. The Fe isn’t lying about liking people - we just like their good qualities and put the rest in perspective since everyone is annoying or imperfect on some level. This was so fun to watch!
I think it is less about the good vs bad and more about purely whether you can stand being around them or not. There are some people who I know are mostly good people but I still hate them, and there are others who I know are evil that I can't help but love. I know it's dumb, but my Fi just can't seem to let it go.
I used to think lead Fe's were soulless psychopaths for being able to act out whichever emotion was needed each moment, but I am starting to understand them more now.
@@RockySmithsen This is really interesting. What you say resonates with my experience with Fi-doms. I’m not sure whether some people just violate their values or have mannerisms that rub them the wrong way, but as an Fe user, I have a hard time figuring out why they so strongly dislike some people, who from my observation just seem to have the baseline level of flaws that we all have. Don’t get me wrong - even Fe’s can hate people, but I find it takes a LOT to move beyond just seeing someone whose flaws are coming out to someone I can’t stand. Anyway, good convo!! TFS!
It's really easy for me to find people annoying and to not enjoy being around people... And I think that's partially because I'm dom Fi. I think.
VERY ACCURATE- Sincerely ENFJ!!!!
@Ally Carraway あっぷ
"That's why the Fe will start lying to you"
Shan in the middle of laughter: ...oh
Te the same
You guys processing Ti-Fe is just... Mesmerizing to watch 😂💙💙💙
What’s mesmerizing is how their egos miss entirely, the fact that Ryan R. Jr. does this to everyone, and doesn’t even think twice about what they are thinking. -FE
What does your icon and username mean 😂😂
I have no strong feelings about my neighbors. You guys are ruthless.
Half the people I see in my apartment building, I don't even know if they live here. And we are in lockdown. Lol.
@@trevorfrayne6418 Thats just so wrong. Same here :'(
I just try to ignore them. So most of them probably hate me.
I do, haha
@@trevorfrayne6418 same! I still dont know who my upstairs neighbors are. And I saw this one guy with trash and was like "oh I guess he lives here"
Imagine Dave and Shan's neighbors actually watching this video right now.
"... am I fuckfactory?"
"Te aren't really lying they're just going along"
Yep..same with Fe, they're not lying to people they just go along. If you do the math its because there's no perfect person and everyone is annoying to some extent they focus on what they can appreciate.
Te: "sure, that idea will work, for you, at this time"
Fe: "Sure, you're annoying in that situation so I'm only gonna interact with you in other situations"..
“If you like somebody we hate....well, then you’re working for the bad guys.”
My Entj brain: *I see nothing wrong with this statement*
You all sound arrogant when you say that.
@@joshuasukup2488 I don’t think you know what arrogant means
@@joshuasukup2488 It just kinda sounds stupid to be honest.
I mean, I supposedly have Te Fi, too (just self-typing, so nothing serious). My reaction was like "oh, I act like this, huh? I can see that... I have to stop acting like a piece of sht, then." It's not "oh wow, I do thaaaat, yay hehehehe" like Dave and Shan seem to be doing here. I'm actually pretty sure that it was this channel that taught me to think like this, too.
My husband is FB friends with my enemies, nobody understands why it bothers me so much. These people are really bad. Some happen to be his family but not all. I feel like we will never be connected because of it. I feel like he is also my enemy because he continues to even associate with them.
Had an ENTJ boss who HATED me, and she loved one other coworker. When she found out we two were good friends outside of work she started snubbing my friend.
I hoped you'd finish this by saying she started to recognize your qualities, but nope, some toxic ENTJ in deed
That’s so childish. They say Fe is fake, I say Fi is freaking childish.
@@diplomat2623 Fe better for sure
As a dom Fi user this is relatable in that I get quick/strong emotional impressions. It's true that I am quick to hate, but when I use the word "hate" I am referring to having a strong INTERNAL emotional reaction to a behavior I have observed about that person - but at the same time I am aware that it is just my feelings - meaning that same person could come up to me, have a good conversation and we could walk out the best of friends. Hate / Love as not being that different ring true for me.
There's a lot of people I hate but there is nobody I've ever run across who I would fight them/cause conflict/do them wrong in any way and I don't relate with what Dave/Shan are saying where anyone who LIKES the person I hate is an enemy now/vise versa. I still listen to people I hate. I still give them opportunities, respect and tolerance. BUT I STILL HAVE A STRONG DISLIKING TOWARDS THEM. Those aren't mutually exclusive.
If FE is looking at the spectrum of I see good/bad qualities of a person.
Fi is: I am looking at moment to moment, day-to-day interaction DEEPLY and so open to change as I get to know you better and because I cannot know deeply what I do not know-- I think I learned from an early age to understand that "hatred feeling" is actually signifying to me: unknown/unfamiliar rather than "enemy"
That is some excellent self awareness, must come from it being dominant, thank you for sharing
I agree with the previous comment, I am mesmerized by your awareness of yourself! Psychology has been showing for years that people stick to their first impressions most of the time, but you actively working on changing your impression is inspirational for me
That is wild. Thanks for explaining. But why say “hate” why not just say “I don’t know like that” or “they’re alright” or “not my favorite”?
Sorry my Fe just came out lol.
Well, my Ti is like " hate them because they are dumb" but then my Fe comes in like "but I want them to like me" and then my Ti goes back again like "ugh, fine, I'll find the reason to not be mean and lie right to their faces but I'm still gonna hate them "
interesting
lol what's your type?
Caffé Mocca douchebag type
For me its a little different. My Ti just writes some people off as "Stupid" and calls it a day, but I'm still a polite person naturally, so I politely say good morning to them, and just kind of treat them as if they live in a different dimension until I have to interact with them. You like/dislike a few things about a person, but pleasantries exist so I don't mind that much. Saying good morning to someone you don't like doesn't mean you still like them. Then again, I'm not tied to my personal feelings, so..
Imagine having to be emotionally authentic at every moment? You're asking for a fight every day.
Yup
As a double decider TiFe, this entire experience is... just exhausting! I mean, it's lovely to be randomly *really* liked by an Fi user, but then you have to listen to all the things they randomly *really* dislike (which is exhausting), and tiptoe around wondering when I'm going to inadvertently say something apparently unforgiveable (which is exhausting). All the time thinking "can't we all just chill out a bit?"
The tiptoeing part too happened to me when i dealt with Fi in personal life.
But if we are not close i troll them and let them know to get respect you have to be deserving of it.
Nailed it!
Oddly im an infp living with a very loud and socially reclusive enfj who can be the only one in the room with a thought or opinion and its not even from being a sociopath they're not they're just completely immature. So yeah
"You talk to the enemy?" lmao...I mean, do you?
But extraverted functions do make lying easier, don't they
friends close, enemies closer?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I freaking love and appreciate you two and your channel. Thank you. You two are a riot
I thought they were calling their neighbors the "fun factory" because they were Fe... but I was sadly mistaken
Well, it could be seen as a synonym. They clearly know how to have fun
i still dont get it
@@berkaytugrel Baby factory. /PG
@@wolfsurvival2009 ohhhhhhh gahahahaahahahahahahaha now it's even funnier
No, we legit don't hate anyone that much. That's exhausting and wastes time.
My fe is quite low. i would say im pretty much indifferent about most people and have maybe hated 2 or 3 people in my entire life. i dislike groups of people but i find it hard to hate individuals if that makes sense
I've typed myself as Si/Ti and I relate a lot with everything you said. I hated 1 or 2 persons in my entire life, and this hate didn't last long, nowadays I don't feel nothing about them. And just like you said, I dislike some groups of people, but it's a lot more because of their ideas, or things they do that don't make sense to me, than because of the individuals that belong to this group. Truth is I don't have very strong feelings about most people
@Joshua Lister i think it's a Di thing in general. People just get immeasurably dumber and more insufferable in groups. But on their own it's easier to see their redeeming qualities and empathize with them
Sometimes i get even annoyed at myself that i should be hating this person. Why does hate doesn't come naturally to me?
But people annoys me in general.(due to low Fe)
Lol I'm sitting here like, uh can't you see both sides? Can't you see that even though they have some negative quality that they are worthy of love and have way more positive than negative? I guess I have high Fe then. To me, the only enemy is whoever makes enemies of other people. People will say negative things about other people to me and I immediately am looking at the positive side, like, "maybe this person is doing this because of this, not because they hate you or are your enemy. Like, this person is not actually as bad as you're saying they are." I don't know what my myers-briggs type is but I know I'm an enneagram 9.
I agree, why are they creating an 'us and them' situation. It's feeding into a duality, where there is none? Dave and Shan are probably hated by most of their neighbors too for some other half-witted reason, so by feeding into a duality they make this hatred more real and make their neighbors hate them more. By treating their neighbors that way, they are showing this is how they want to be treated in return. What boggles my mind is when they imply Fe is saying 'love everyone'. No you don't have to ACTUALLY love everyone the same way you love a spouse or parent, just love in a way that recognises you are no different or better than the other. The thing you hate about the other person is probably something you unconsciously hate within yourself. There are no enemies in that regard.
I mean, you could also have high Ti 🤷♀️
@@beehive3275 I mean, they pointed that out in their video when they said that it’s the Te inefficiency that bothers them. So it’s not like they don’t look at where they are at fault.
But see, this is a difference between whether you believe you have the right to have feelings regardless of qualifications. You, here, are essentially disqualifying feelings by saying that if there are reasons that suggest you shouldn’t feel some way - then you shouldn’t.
I’m willing to bet that you don’t actually believe that though because that would basically mean not respecting a person’s right to emotionally respond to stimuli - which just doesn’t make sense.
So if we dig a little deeper, I think what you’re really saying is that these people, if they can’t be flexible with their feelings and change them at will, should refrain from saying disparaging things about their neighbors. They should at least control their behavior to stop the spread of negativity.
To a degree you’re probably right about that and I’m sure Dave & Shan don’t go to the FF household at the end of the street and rail on them to their faces...but keep in mind what the theme of this channel is. We’re hear to explore the cognitive functions and the way that they result in different behavioral responses in humans. So it isn’t like the anecdote about the neighbors is unrelated to the topics they’re trying to teach.
The thing about Fi is that I do understand much better now where Fi people are coming from. I have lead Ti - and I can’t just “change” my beliefs. Growing up, people told me I should say I’m agnostic instead of atheist because it makes people uncomfortable. But the truth is - growing up - I flatly did not believe in god AT ALL. There was not a shred of belief in my mind that god might exist. So what people were really telling me is that I should sacrifice my values and morals, and lie, even though it makes me feel about about myself, just to spare other people an unpleasant fact.
Now, emotionally, I’m flexible. I don’t really think of my emotions as being “real” or being a significant part of me, so it doesn’t mean that much to me to shift them around and see various perspectives in an effort to better the experience of others. But I can’t do the same thing with what I believe is the truth. Truth is truth.
You probably have an inflexible aspect of your personality. So to better understand why these things are the way they are, try to find where you’re inflexible - and realize that the degree to which you will stay in that sinking shop surpasses reasonable decision making.
@Justin Stubblefield This sounds very much like feminine Ti over masculine Fe.
@A K And thank you for providing the masculine Ti response. I would add that the "inflexible" parts in someone's life (by definition) tend to correlate with your masculine functions.
@@shiro1744 Ah you know what? I think I may be an I_TP. I watched another video of theirs on demon Fe and that's definitely what I have. I think I'm very understanding of both sides of an argument so as not to push either side away from me (wanting to please the tribe so the tribe doesn't hate me).
5:59 nailed it! Fe on Fi: Even when folks do things that don't Te work for us, we can still love them for [subjective] Ti reasons other than how they [subjectively] Fi value us. My Ti reason: Because loving people makes them feel good regardless of their functions. 🤗
(ISTP) With Fe last, I listen to people enough to dish out some custom tailored goodness or make them laugh. Humor and general feelings of positivity shared is the BEST lubricant to slip out of most unwanted social encounters. Then I can get back to being my own version of me in my social bubble of 1.
This was....... Something. -INFJ
I had a intj actually say this .. when I could see another persons view and I was called traitor..I was like I see her point of view, I dont know her, so cos I dont know her , how can I hate someone.. so stupid.
I would dance around situation, over stuff I knew would piss him off, nope in the end I middle fingered and split..
That's too weird .
Entp
The way you guys convey info through humour is just so fantastic! 🤗❤️
Regarding the topic: I'm an ENFP, very fortunate in always finding friends that I feels close to and like. I get on with most of the rest and try to be diplomatic even if I don't like someone. My father, INFP, is so Fi ..he hates the neibours and once got so pissed at me for being nice to them. He was shouting " you can't be nice to assholes! They're not nice!" It's funny ..but he was so enraged with me because it was as if I had betrayed him!
So as some other commentators, I too wonder if position of Fi matters.
This is why I don't fit in with groups. They always seem to start talking about someone expecting me to agree or sympathise and I don't say anything. Inside I'm screaming, I will make up my own mind about who I like! Outside I'm just neutral. They don't like me when I don't immediately agree or become equally....whatever feeling they have about said person. huh.
"How do you get a Ti to go along with a dumb idea?"
If they're an observer, tell them it's to prank someone. If they're a decider, tell them that you need to learn about the thing.
All this extreme love/hate seems like such a needless emotional rollercoaster. Listening to people hating this and that makes me feel tired already!
This is SO fascinating! "Do these people not hate so much!?" Yes! I've never quite understood how people can WANT to hate- or want other people to hate- other people! -Even abusers! (And I'm pretty sure I have savior Ti! ...But still!)
...And then 2020 chaos/craziness happens, and I find it's really easy to hate...
Still don't want to! (God help me!)
As a self typed Si/Ti, this is very relatable for me. I don't see the point of hating people, it doesn't seem logical for me. I hated one or two people in my entire life and the hate didn't last long.
@@josehenriquefs888 That's cool! ...& fascinating (self-typed Ni-Ti, BTW)
@@josehenriquefs888 I don't get it either. Hating is a burden. What's the point?
@@josehenriquefs888 I should add that it's not so much that I find Hatred illogical, but... a, it FEELS unchristian (there's a bit of Nuance to that- but that's still how it feels), & b, that... it interferes with UNDERSTANDING people! That's my experience.
@@TheBookgeek7 I get what you're saying, it feels wrong. The few times I did hate someone, I felt like I was betraying my identity as a christian... Also, I can't help but seeing the good side of each person, ignoring this and seeing the person as a villain feels wrong and seems illogical, it hurts my Fe and my Ti at the same time
Reading these comments is making me think “hate is a strong word” was probably popularised by Fe-doms 😂😂.
When I Fi-hate someone, it’s not like actual active hatred. More like a dismissal because I recognised something in someone that is offensive to my (very personal and subjective) Fi. Like no I don’t want you in my life, you broke this Fi rule so you’re exiled 😂.
Like I don’t know how to be friends with someone who does things I* find immoral or “bad”. I lack the nuance needed to appreciate all their other positive attributes while knowing this immoral thing about them 😬 even when it’s none of my business.
I know Fe-doms who can see the spectrum. They choose not to judge and disqualify people on actions that don’t immediately pertain to their relationship with the people.
I can see how an FI dom can be clicky. That’s wild to me. -ENFJ
This is probably one of the most helpful videos of yours that I’ve seen
I cried laughing at 'I had to get rid of the phone. It's in a drawer somewhere'. Too much sensory chaos. INTJ = Nope. XD
Yeah, I don't get it. It just comes off as immature. Unless the person has given me a reason to dislike them, I wont. I try to live in peace with others as much as possible. That's the Fe speaking. If I didn't like them, I'd keep my distance.
I actually think the issue D&S are having stems from savior Te needing to compare and mark those who are different or weird. Demon Fi is insecure about the self “I’m not weird, they’re weird”. Savior Fi wouldn’t care as much, they would just assume there’s a reason some people are different and keep to themselves, but instead with demon Te wonder “I hope they don’t think I’m weird”
@@LemonMeIon you're right xntjs are notoriously judgemental, quick to judge and see things as black and white. Dom Fi appears less friendly compared to dom Fe but it's not as judgemental. That's why Esfjs are the gossip kings and queens.
@@SS-bu8ez It's strange though because I've been typed an ENFJ and so an Fe dom but I'm really not judgemental at all? I'm usually empathetic and know there's usually a reason for people acting the way they are? I really dislike gossip... something related to intuition perhaps idk?
Yes, I don't see any Fi or Fe here, just immaturity. Fi user here.
That's why in other MBTI systems third and fourth function are called child and inferior, it's toooooo immature
The moment when that guy see your video... priceless.
Sometimes "inappropriate" humor is the best showcase of cognitive functions. Keep it coming!
Okay I don’t have Fi... not INTJ. Definitely INFJ. I don’t like being friends with neighbors (I’ll even go out of my way to hide or avoid them if I can, like drive around the block until they go inside, or pretend I’m not home... nothing makes me cringe more than catching a neighbor in the hall or elevator or getting out of my car at the same time they do... 🙄 it’s like, ah man, now I got to people) but I don’t hate them or regard them as enemies... I don’t ruthlessly dislike or like people, I just regard them as: that’s how neighbors are 🤷🏻♀️ .
My sister, on the other hand (ESFP) does that. We will be eating at a restaurant and she’ll just hate the waitress. I’ll ask, “What did she do to you!? She’s just doing her job!” And my sister will say, “I just don’t like her. She gave me a dirty look.” 😆 And then for the whole visit she’s commenting on all the reasons why she hates the waitress or she’s bad at her job.
My mom is an ESFJ and she picks up people and houses them like stray cats. She’s in everyone’s business around the block and knows all the juicy info. The only neighbor she hates is probably the Fi-user who told her to back off. 😂
Also, if I walked into someone’s house I’d be checking out the things that “don’t make sense” like the shoddy job of your table or if the house is organized or designed in a slapdash way. I might even lose a little respect for the house with the things or people in it that “don’t make sense”.
Sounds like you may be T over F. Jumper? Maybe you are off on your typing. Just my outside view from your one comment, so I could easily be way off.
@@joshuasukup2488 You’re not too far off. I usually get typed by practitioners as INTJ but they also say their second guess is INFJ. My INTP partner thinks I’m an INFJ jumper. Your guess is as good as mine. 😆 I think it’s hardest to tell between Ti and Te rather than Fi/Fe. Are you thinking INTJ jumper or INFJ jumper? I wish it was as clear cut as DSP makes it. What’s your type?
Omg yess... The gravity of my Fi can outweigh my lead Te-Ni's way of reasoning through it like they're an okay person overall. It's like I can almost have enough (whatever it is) to accept someone but just certain qualities or past history with them, once I've recognized them just demolishes any sense of escape from that gravity lol.
At the same time, the satisfaction from aligning myself in accordance with my feelings, just feels soo exacting and justified and divine. It literally doesnt matter. But that's only true for blatant right and wrongs. The people who im *iffy* about are the ones I stay up at night about, because I associate only with ppl who have integrity imo. So not being able to assign that affects my trust
That’s a good and helpful gem of a point that was sprinkled in there on Ti vs Te, a distinction im trying to analyze for myself right now. It’s funny when you said that you would lie to someone about Te stuff, I got very uncomfortable like ‘Um no, no, you can’t do that’, not that you were wrong about your theory but that what you were doing felt wrong to imagine myself doing. Then you spoke the key « bc it’s not our identities » Ahh there it is. I’m thinking that that’s why I got so uncomfortable. When you proposed lying, my head was like ‘No we can’t let them think that we think their dumb idea is good. They have to know we’re better than that.’ Identity. Gotcha.
You’re geniuses.
I was shopping with an FiNe friend of mine before XMas. We were looking for gifts for friends and family.
Came across a pink chequered shirt - "Oh my god" she laughed "That is horrific, who the fuck would wear that"
"I don't know, I reckon I could pull it off" I immediately realised my catastrophic error.
She hung her head low, stared at it unresponsively for a solid 30 seconds, and wandered off around the shop alone for a few minutes. Presumably while re-evaluating our entire friendship.
Fi-Te axis is wild. I love it. Makes the best friends you could ask for.
Whenever you guys do these 'we don't get Fe' videos it really brings home how your system is MBTI for Te users lol
My favorite part of the whole thing is their website - “It’s not our job to teach you” ... “If you don’t get it, too bad.” Absolutely MBTI for Te users. Not saying it’s bad, but it amuses me. 😂
Me a Fe Dom trying to get into OPS 😟
@Lonely Survivor I think they mean all the types that have Te in their top 4 functions.
I wish I could hate people in a saviour state like Dave. :P
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I’m an ISFP and I can totally relate to this video lol. Thank you for the laughs.
My INFP ass feels like that all the time! 😂
Wait your ass has feelings? I knew feeling doms had strong feelings, but not to that extent, lol.
@@farrex0 🤣
The weirdness of people being weirded out by other people fascinates me. Especially from "sociable" people. I have "spectrums" of relationships with people for various reasons, so I don't usually get caught up in the "friendship abyss".
This!
What's a "Friendship abyss"?
@@NicStride I dont go down the rabbit hole of no returned with people. People are autonomous and mulit-dimensional. Those that want "all" of a person too deeply will find themselves chasing air.
@Ally Carraway am Fe(Although I may be NiTi). I either chameleon after others, meaning I know I have a various traits within myself, and can only handle others in doses just the same
As someone with sensitive Fe, but finds it completely draining, this was a joy to watch.
As an ENTP this all seems too foreign to me, like hating someone just because some chemicals in your brain tell you to, and not only that expecting others to follow along without even having a good reason? I mean you do you, but if you expect me to hate someone just because you hate them, I would rather go and befriend the person you hate than just follow along for something as illogical than that.
Have to admit tho, that I can't really judge because I do not know what its like to be like that, I do not think I have ever hated anyone in my life. Of course, there are people that annoy me, specially if they tell me what to do and or believe without giving a good reason. But I just avoid them if they do it too much, no need to hate them tho, it accomplishes nothing.
As an ENFP here who’s an aspiring writer and currently trying to write a rivalry between my ENTP protagonist and ENTJ minor antagonist, this makes it hard 😭 how am I supposed to capture an ENTP being driven to hate someone if ENTPs are too logical to do that most of the time? Dang, I thought the differing cognitive functions would be enough for them to constantly butt heads and then trying to control/overthrow each others’ points of view could eventually lead to a lot of anger, but I now feel like the ENTJ is gonna be easier to aggravate than the ENTP 😭😂 aaaagh
Switch the protagonist and antagonist, sounds like the switcheroo from "wicked" just a thought!
@@sophiaredwood5825 Now I wouldn't say there can be direct hatred, but there are a few ways we can have an strong feeling with Fe. One of them can be guilt, and guilt can easily cloud one's judgement. The ENTP could have done something he greatly regrets (if it ended in heavily hurting both physically and emotionally someone the ENTP appreciated) which heavily changed the ENTP driven by guilt and the ENTJ could have several qualities that remind him of his past self...
Another one, could be directly linked to emotional harmony, the ENTP could be convinced in some way that the ENTJ is to some detriment to society and if the ENTJ refuses to give a compelling logical argument to his behavior can create a deep animosity between the two.
Now, not having strong emotions, doesn't mean ENTPs are good, that depends on the person. So another one could be that the ENTP is psychopathic or sociopathic, but personally I am sick of that trope, of the mentally disturbed antagonist, unless it is done with nuance. I personally prefer characters that reside more on grey areas. But it is your book, so you can write it however, you'd like.
@@sophiaredwood5825 ENTPs can hate someone, but usually it's a wrapped in a pleasant attitude. However once Fe goes away, prepare for the blunt thoughts.
@@sophiaredwood5825 It's easy for FE users to hate but it's more based on actions or how the person behaves in relation to others. For example, if you hurt someone the FE user likes, they'll be mad af and may develop a deep seated hatred for the perpetrator. I've seen Fe & Ti users hating people for acting the 'wrong' way, even if there is nothing wrong with that 'wrong' way of acting, if you know what I mean, so it's not just Fi users that hate irrationally.
On a side note: it's easier to forgive for Fe users since if someone's actions change it makes sense to change our feelings for them too.
It's morning here, and you guys just made my day!! 😀 Love you!! ❤
This has to be my favorite video of yours! I will never forget these colorful examples of Fi. 😂
Fun video. I was hoping you were going to throw in some talk about masculine and feminine extroverted feeling, but still a lot of good info here.
Whenever I have those moments where contemplate whether I’ve just typed myself all wrong and I’m somehow Savior Fe instead of Feminine Fi, I realize that it feels so outrageously inauthentic it feels for me to agree with anyone on anything that I feel differently about. I could dislike a person, but if my friend likes that person, I’ll try to adapt to their stance just because I feel like we have to like the same people to be friends. Which isn’t true at all; I’m just terrible at handling any kind of disagreement like that! So I’ll try to adjust my views in the moment, and then go home and take myself apart mentally because I feel like a fraud sometimes when I appeal to false common ground with other people. And meanwhile, there are Fe people who don’t make this such a big deal, and just naturally see the best in people and try to befriend them all and don’t freak out about how they stand with every. single. human. being. And how to communicate those stances and levels to their close friends, if at all. 😭😂
Wow, the startling clarity of high definition!
Fi & Te people "pet peeve" will never be relatable for me. They seem to be offended by things I have no trouble with, yet they think I'm such a morally evil person when I do something they disagree about.
wow that difference in Fe lies vs Te lies is so interesting and accurate
I wonder how masculine and feminine Fe or Fi play into this too. I have definitely had "Masculine Fe" friends have the same expectation of group hatred towards a person they hate or gtfo.
I don't get the Fi/Te's. I don't want to hate anyone. That's an awful feeling. Even people who I don't particularly like, I don't wanna have any strong negative feelings towards them. Positive indifference is a good minimum. I think I can count the number of people I met in my life, who I genuinely hate, on one hand. And even with those people, that's my personal problem. I wouldn't dislike another person just for being friends with someone I hate.
And Fe doesn't love as much as Fi? I don't believe that. Sure, your love is intense. Absolutely! But the Fe's feelings can be just be as intense. Only difference is that Fi is more attentive towards the emotion. That's the same thing as saying Te wouldn't be able to understand logic. Any Te user can (and often does!) understand shit as well as Ti. But your attention isn't directed at the detailed understanding the way Ti is. Doesn't mean Te is stupid or Fe feelings are less legit.
Sorry for the rant, this one got me a bit mad. But maybe a little irony disclaimer every once in a while would do the trick? If your intent is to teach about your system, I'm a little worried about the first impression a new viewer might get from videos like this.
I'm an Fi and Te user: INTJ. Once I know someone's a Trump supporter, that's it: they're dead to me. There's NO recovering from that. Imagine the truely dreadful things it says about your: values, character and judgement of character, not to mention clarity of thought-akin to that of mud, and COMPLETE lack of critical thinking skills. I have NEVER met an intelligent Trump supporter. Ever. Not even once in the past six years.
And I'm sorry, but Fi does love (and hate) more intensely. I mean, pretty much everyone prone to limerence is an Fi user.
3000%%% agree. I understood nothing said in this video as Fe dom. NOTHING. But I must admit, as Ti inferior I do get weird about my ideologies and personal opinions. If you disagree with them or believe I “shouldn’t think like that”, then you gotta go. We can’t be close. Te would look at that and be like “What’s the big deal? Chill out.” So I guess that’s what Fi does. Sooo weird.
I guess with emotions though, Fi just looks childish. If you don’t like what I like then I don’t like you. What adult thinks like that? At least according to the Fe dom. 😂
Imagine assuming all trump supporters are sub human, what does that say about YOUR values, character and judgement of character, fool? I fking guarantee u if u interacted with every trump supporter ur gonna become friends with a few when u didn’t know they were trump supporters.
I just watched that 3 times in a row because it was so entertaining (you guys are the best)
I'm sorry I ever doubted Dave's Fi.
THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE! The Fi doms I know just seem to arbitrarily hate or love people with a fury that I THOUGHT I didn't relate to until you compared Te and Ti and I'm like...wait, yes, I DO rank people by their capacity for stupid and immediately rule out swaths of people for tasks or topics. And I WOULD be like "yes but does Fuckfactory at least assemble shit properly as she's giving birth to her 15th child instead of just duct taping or chocolate blocking her wiring?"
FuQ Factory watching this video like 😢
I was thinking the same thing
I can relate to this video on such a deep level ahaha! Those Fe neighbors 🙄😑
From an enfj perspective, all that’s going through my mind is: oh, that’s fascinating. They have a lot of kids and are doing a lot of things and it is very visible because they keep driving back and forth and so maybe you start to feel inadequate about your life and insecure because you think other people are objectively judging you as less than because you’re not running around and doing a bunch of shit and so that’s your way of shutting them out so you don’t have to process those uncomfortable feelings. Then when people comment on the fact that they like the person that makes you feel this way, your Fi says “you also think I am inadequate” and then shuts them out too. And then I wonder if you would react to someone throwing this idea out (totally without judgement btw-we all do this at some point to some extent😂) negatively because it plays back into a fear of other people judging you. Could be wrong, I don’t know. I’m not you. Live your life and I will live my life of FeNi-ing around😊
Hate me if you please😂.
*Dave mouths* HELP ME 😂
I am ENFP and dont really dont care if my friend likes someone I hate, and i would like for the same to apply to me (although it doesnt apply usually lol). I'm wondering if placement of Fi matters...
Or if it's because I have Ne above Fi, so I'm like ok, I can see that perspective...why you may still like "ABC" although I hate "ABC"
Yeah your not lead Fi so you aren't imbalanced there. You can bounce back and forth from Fi/Te easier.
Being an observer rather than a decider, you should be able to switch between Fi and Te pretty easily since they're in the middle. You'd just go psycho every blow up with all the Si missing information, and anyone with Se would constantly be like "Why is that the one piece of sensory that you're hung up on"
Our craziness is just relative... like I have issues using my Ti blockhead logic banging to create any sort of intentional vibe since I have Fe at the bottom. Like I can pick up on vibes super easily (my Fe is feminine), but I can't direct a vibe in any direction I want without it being riddled with weird energy. Worse than that, my brain defaults to thinking the vibe was off because of everyone else, not because of me. It's hard to get out of your own head that way, I guess.
I think if your Fi is saviour might might be annoying to you but if its a demon and your a double it's easier to neglect that
As an Infp I relate to you. This might be a high Te thing with low Fi
@@SS-bu8ez had that exact same thought 2 minutes after I type the comment lol.
Imagine Fuck Factory stumbling over this channel and seeing this video.
This is the third time I'm watching this and I'm still laughing my ass off, Fi really is that crazy lol
Omg... i love you guys... how much fun do you have every day???
S: “This was very… informati…”
D: “therapeutic, yea.”
hahahahaha this was wonderful! I'll look out for those Fe lies from now on!
As someone with demon Fe, I don’t hate anyone particularly more than anyone else, all people are nightmares to me
As a person with low but healthy Fe, the strong emotional attachment of some Fi users freaks me out. It can be so strong and completely illogical that I literally begin to distrust the person. How can they grow so attached so easily? It feels unhealthy.
I work with youths that are still developing their Fi. How do I help/walk alongside them as they develop this function?
Fi is not supposed to be logical. It just is. You Fe people also have it, we Tes can see it. You just put it into some Ti framework retrospectively to make it seem like your specific values are in sync with group values. It is for protection. Ti-Fe usually understand only their own craft. Te-Fi are way better/faster at solving unusual problems that randomly occur. So when such thing happen to Ti-Fe, they try to shift blame to someone else so that they don't have to deal with it, because they don't know how. Or how to even start.
Fe are like sheep, trying to stay in a herd at all cost. Pushing others away if necessary.
Te are like wolfs. Staying in a pack is optional.
@@jankom.7783 you’ve never met a Ti savior have you? Your analogy is lacking.
@@breakfastenjoyer It suppose to. Ti need to have only nice things to be said about them. So they can believe, that there is nothing wrong with them. That analogy is precise, but it was made in style, that will provoke a reaction from Ti. This is why Te are better at problem solving. Fi understands human needs and Te knows, how to look for their signs in others.
I have typed myself as an INFP, and I would say the best way you can help those young Fi users is to just treat them nicely, don’t be too harsh or critical on them even when you think you are right. You probably are right, and at the end of the day despite whatever happens we will probably come to realize that you are right. BUT we won’t accept it if we haven’t managed our feelings yet.
If the Fi user wants to do something, but they don’t know how, and they come to you for help, but you think it’s illogical to do it, just be careful of how you start to convince them that they are wrong. They may feel very strongly about their decision, and if you immediately give them logical reasoning for why that decision is wrong, they may get very upset at you at that moment.
Handle the feelings first, make sure you aren’t coming off as aggressive, ask them why they came to that decision. Then acknowledge how they feel, tell them that their feelings are valid, even if you think it’s not, because otherwise they may feel betrayed. Asking why they feel a certain way can help them process through their feelings better, and the quicker they do that, the quicker they can see your reasoning.
Then once they know you are on their side, you can then tell them why they are wrong, although be gentle about it. You could also try leading them to see your reasoning by using some creative questioning. Instead of giving them a statement or a fact, which they don’t have to process and can ignore, rephrase what you want to say with a question so that way they will have to process it in order to answer it.
TL;DR: Strong Fi feelings are easily triggered, please handle with care. Address the feelings first before you address the logic. Once Fi user sees that you care about how they feel and that you are not the enemy, they will open up to what you are thinking.
@@deedoc6241 This is so helpful! Thank you for your input! Lots to think about!
After 5 months of processing OP, I love this video way more than before. :)
Guys thanks I just come up with a way to deal with this
my Fe finds the good in people and love them for it
and my Ti rejects anyone who disagree with it
so I should reinforce my Fi with Ti
and my Te With Fe
Ti make us feel dumb😂😂😂
It's not about like. I except people for who they Are. People being different from me is inevitable.
Help, I'm losing it too with this one. A few years ago I made the assumption that Fe users didn't have real feelings towards other people because they didn't have as much "depth" to them as Fi users, oops. 😂
To me, there are but TI catches them and instantly analyzes them to determine if there is any validity to them, but I am an ENTP. Not sure how it would be for an Fe dom tho. But for me the personal emotions are not that strong, and rarely do I notice them fully, so while I do like some people more than others, it has never been that strong where I would actually hate someone.
@@farrex0 I feel like high Fe users cater themselves to the room with such ease, whereas Fi’s would always be looking out for information that connects to their values and if they can’t find it they’d feel like they’re in the presence of opposing / uninteresting ideals and therefore leave or create resistance. So it looks out for authenticity I reckon, which Fe could potentially have too but doesn’t really put at full exposure / doesn’t feel is as necessary as harmony?
About the only people I hate (correct use of the word) is bullies. And after this episode I feel like maybe it is because strong FI is so foreign to me. By the way I am confident I have FE high in my stack.
You guys are probably Todd and Margo to everyone on that street. 😂
From Christmas Vacation. At least you know you have the problem. That means you aren't that bad. 😊
4:00 This reminds me how absolutely pissed my ISFP friend was when she overheard me causally say hi to her mortal enemy neighbor when I passed him in the stairway. I can't imagine what would happen if I actually had a conversation and gave him her phone nr. I'd never go that far tho, I'm happy with just having inferior Fe.
I think demon Fe will relate to a lot of this, too, but without the vitriol. I have no feelings about my neighbors other than relief that they only contact us when it seems like our house might be on fire. Even when people insist on play-blasting at me I rarely hate them. I just avoid them out of self-preservation.
You guys deserve more subscribers
Interesting... I’m an INFP and I don’t relate at all to the ‘don’t speak to our enemies’ but I relate 1000% to ‘the people in the blue house are dead to me because of their annoying shit’. I’m curious how other Fi saviors relate to this whole thing?
Personally, I don’t have the energy to form strong opinions about most people but if you rub against my Fi that’ll change fast (and that opinion will be stronnnng). HOWEVER I don’t expect anyone else to share my opinion... and I am very leery of ‘loyalty’. I click with people whose values align pretty well with mine (and moreso if they don’t hold values which cause friction with mine), and I may have no use for f@ckfactory (awesome nickname btw!) but if you like them that’s your thing. I will probably make some inferences about your values based on you liking a person that I’ve decided against, but if I can determine that the values you connect with them on are not a deal-breaker between you and me, then I’m happy for you to like them, on your own time, just don’t expect me to change MY opinion of them.
I’ve always felt like it’s the Fe’s who want us to all share a common judgement - ‘that person is a jerk’. Cancel culture feels Fe to me (much like fad culture, let’s all decide that person/thing is terrible/great because other people say so, without taking the time and energy to determine our own personal feelings on the matter’). I think of Fi more as ‘~I~ think that person is a jerk and won’t partake of them any more’ or ‘I refuse to go to the neighborhood party if they will be there’ (LOL, as if I’d ever go to a neighborhood party)... I hold no expectation that YOU will share my opinion, in fact I EXPECT you to form your own opinion and also to respect my personal decision about that person.
Likewise, if I came to your house and for whatever reason I did like f@factory, I am not going to pretend to dislike them and/or bash or cancel them because of your feelings toward them. I will refrain from defending them even if I like them to be polite (because AFAIC it’s between you and them) and probably just avoid them as a topic of conversation.
I thought this was more of an Fe thing, or maybe Demon Fx... but I see other INFPs in the comments who seem to relate to it. The more I think about it I did do this when I was young, but it caused me a LOT of cognitive dissonance and noticing it has actually helped me to be more true to my Fi over the decades.
This is a very mature thing to say (regardlesse of type) and even tho I'm fe, I also really appreciate it when others also dislike cancel culture (glad I'm not alone lol).
I feel like a lot of it is due to ne tbh, we are all naturally aware of people different points of views and different perspectives and therefore also of our own subjective expirience as human being. So we can naturally see someone with a different expirience to ours and naturally accept that kind of. If that makes sense.
(bluntness alert)
You guys seem to dislike people completely arbitrarily. I do also dislike some people, but they have to cross me again and again to make that happen. Even then, I try to seek out their positive traits as I believe we should all get along.
/ENFJ, with an inferior Ti that just lashed out at you
RIGHT??? I thought this channel was supposed to be inviting towards all types, but this video 100% did NOT show that. I, as an Fe user, can definitely say I dislike this video.
Why do I dislike it? Because of the impact this could have on others. This just isn’t personal, but it feels like an attack on Fe-users, like they’re laughing at them.
We just care about harmony. That’s all!
@@cdcs_edits 11 months later (thanks to UA-cam tracking this), I'm trying to process it again.
I guess they don't like the other person's identity, which conflicts with their own values (Fi) or think they're dumb (Te) and so don't like the person. For me to dislike someone, I would not like the person's way of dealing with others - thinking they're anti-social (Fe) or their disregarding of my ideas (Ti) and then dislike them.
I guess I get the vid a bit better now, but the actual content could have been a lot clearer and less of a cross between 'choose your own adventure' and connect-the-dots. That is, more sensory. And I'm an intuitive dom, for the record.
@@wolfsurvival2009 Yeah, I get what you’re saying. But my problem with their channel is that they laugh and make fun of stuff more than they inform, which annoys me. Does that make sense? Lol.
And I just feel as if they have a bias on Te users. They’re called Objective Personality, but they’re extremely subjective.
I Fi love you both. Thanks for the laughs.
This is so good I’m finally understanding this shit 😂
You two are the biggest dorks...The End!! 🤣🤣🤣 Thanks for the intel & you’re welcome for the emojis!😏
Love this video so much because I’m the same way with people, just secretly sh*ting on people I hate from the shadows.
This is all good.
Idea to think about:
Since you find association between the decider functions and people as opposed to things, I propose making your microphone analogy people-oriented instead. As a potential Savior Ti type individual, I would get a lot more passionate (I think) about a person being or speaking or arguing inefficiently than an object being inefficient.
Genuinely curious what you think. Does that make sense? Sound plausible for your working theories?
OMG this has helped me SO FUCKING MUCH to solve some questions I had about self typing.
a giggle bunny 🐇
Because you guys have the Liz Lemon intellectual , superiority complex 😆 Yeah, I watched a video today ..I made some sort of connection. 🥸
NiFe here and I kept thinking the entire time, 'oh my gosh, what if these neighbors watch this video??' Lol!!!
Seriously, watching this video has been nerve-wrecking XD INFJ here too
My Demon Fe not only gives me "Hulk Syndrome" but also means pretty much the entire tribe, excepting immediate family and one or two extremely good friends, are just an amorphous blob of sameness. No idols, no hero to worship, no role models, just a sea of Humanity bobbing around me doing mildly different things. Occaisionaly one or other will start producing good ideas or facts for my current Ti thing which causes me to pay attentiotn to them for a while (ahem...this channel now) until I have acquired all the facts I need about the "thing" and then you fade back into the sea of Human blur
I litteraly got so fricking scared just reading that
OMG, that is SO TRUE about us Te users going along all the time. INTJ here and I do that all the time at work. I can see EVERYONE's point and perspective. I'm always like "yeah, okay" nodding my head. I think I might even have feminine Te so it's worse (my Fi is like don't F*CK with my recycling bin) but I never get mad at anyone about work stuff. I think the ESFJ hates when I do that because she jsut wants me to commiserate with her about the horrible coworker. I can't do it. I think she just needs to RELAX!
My ex was like this. He was complaining that a friend of his was still friends with a guy that he hated. He couldnt understand why his friend was friends with someone he didn't like, and he took it as a personal insult. It was so weird.
I have Fe, but it's last.
@1:43 omg lol. I'm INTP, pretty much that.
@5:02 I'm not into microscopes but in a related area, id probably just build my own from scratch at that point.
6:00 That’s Fe. YAS!!!!!
Here is a the most perfect meme for Fe vs Ti Search "Potion Seller Soundtrack but it's a clone hero chart" here on youtube
Shan why hasn’t your TE told them they need to fix their driving
I don’t even know who any of my neighbors are
Fi is so alien to me that it's hard for me to believe you guys really think like this... Why I can't like you and the guy you hate? And why you hate this guy, in the first place? For me, hating people seems like such a waste of energy
"Hard to believe you guys really think like this"
^THIS
I can't believe they really think like this, it comes across as immature to me in the way they presented it because there are no established reasons for them to go as far as "hating" these people. Although high Te users can have a pretty shallow Fi, they will usually give little direct importance to Fi unless it is directly attacked, and certainly not "hate" someone for such ridiculous reasons, although they absolutely can lack in appreciation. So they're just being excessive, which seems to mislead a lot of people in the comment section into thinking it is funny to lend themselves to petty passions.
As for your question, hatred, if it really is, presupposes a form of conflict. So it makes sense to me that one would see a friend with an enemy as a form of treason. I don't really think it is an Fi/Fe thing either... I've seen quite a few Fe users demonstrated forms of dislike (never really hatred, people don't hate in real life unless highly immature) to the extent of showing forms of disrespect to a friend's association to such and such. I think a lot of people delude themselves in these comments.
I'm not sure if I have Fi, but for me I can say that maybe it's like a form of "betrayal" for Fi. But it depends on the level of the hatred. There's the dislike and there's the hate. For ex. A hurt an Fi user badly and saw that her best friend is friendly with A. This Fi user might thinks that the best friend doesn't actually likes them. For me myself I tried to understand that everyone can be friends with anybody. If it's people whom I hold dearly, I will tell them about A so that they can be cautious of. If they want to be friends with them, then I'm okay although I would be hurt a little. However, if we're not that close, I wouldn't be hurt if they're friendly to that person and woulnd't tell them about A's deeds. What I cannot understand are the really dramatic people who are like the regeneration of the "mean girls".
@@_laifishardisntit_1379 Ok, this case is understandable. Even a Fe user would feel betrayed if their best friend is too friendly with someone who made awfull things to them. But there are some people that hate someone without any good reason and expect their friends to share the same irrational feeling. That's what I don't understand.
As an ENTP, I can definitely feel the pain of Ryan reynolds jr. for making the effort of befriending you (Fe), despite the indirect rejection.
Though I can't really blame you (Te) for disliking the guy. BTW (Play last) here.
This was so good to watch, my Fe is laughing in full teeth 😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is really interesting. I'm fe. I like to say I love everyone in some way
Omg now I finally understand what the rub is between my bf and me! I'm Te/fi and he is Ti/fe. Now I understand when he kind of loses it, when i just want 'fix' the window, to fix the window, let's just get it done, and he wants to fix the window perfectly, needs to theorize and explore the whole bleeping thing, and i just don't understand who has the time for that, cause if it works it works 😂....and he always goes on and on about how i should see ppl more nuanced(this would prob be a good thing tough) & he finds me kind of rigid and unforgiving at times 😂😂😂
Awesome one!
They never consider the fact that Ryan R. Jr. does this to everyone, and doesn’t think twice about them, either way. -FE