Hi, Higher voltage for Electric motorcycle is always the key from my understanding and knowledge, cause higher RPM motor, consume less amps in heat dissipation, for battery motor and controller gives you range and gives you also more speed in sport mode. If you don’t need this extra speed, getting a bigger is sprocket again will give you more torque also this the win-win solution for you and can reduce your battery amps and phase consummation at the same time without feeling a loss in power in sport mode. Ultra bee battery pack: 74 Volt x 55 Ah= 4070 Watts-hours + Samsung 50S 6S 12 P = 21.6 Volt nominal x 60 Ah 1296 Wh addon pack = 5366 Wh total. With this solution you don’t have to spend allot of money for a new battery. 72 Volt x 73 Ah = 5256 Wh only and at the end of the discharge cycle is only 60 Volt left in the battery at 3 Volt per cell so no more bigger power output at this point. This addon solution battery pack can probably be fit under the seat where the storage area is currently with this addon pack connected in series you probably get the range you looking for and may be more.
im currently making a diy 30ah secondary carbon fiber battery for the ultra bee under the seat, itll still use the old battery having a total 85 ah 74v battery! ill let you know if it works and ill send you more info if you are intrested. i should have it completed in 3/4 weeks just waiting for parts to arrive :) its costing under £1000 so far but takes a lot of time to make and some electrical knowledge
At least one aftermarket battery supplier is making this extender and it'll be out on the market sometime next year. It's 72V, 16Ah additional. Could work with electriciabetter's battery too.
@@Tazdeviloo7 it'll be interesting to see! yeah I had to remove a lot of the old plastics mudflap/storage so I can fit the new 30ah battery. it'll be all in one unit so its a carbon fibre mud guard and carbon battery that installs to the bottom of the aluminium tail frame and bolts to the passenger foot pegs and the passenger hang rails. you can still install the foot pegs & rails over the carbon.
I need to upgrade my LB and UB right now...and man, is it painful. I can buy another whole new gas bike for the price of two upgraded batteries (and controller/motor on LB). The game we ebikers play
True, i have a job and i was waiting long time to finally bought a surron, the battery upgrade is a nice thing and i hope for more AH and then i will switch to the battery upgrade. I think this will take 2 years or my Battery broke. The next Level Battery Thing is Na-Ion (bigger, heavier an less Power :( - is that next level?)
So is gasoline and engine rebuilds. *shrug. What's it cost to do a bottom end on a KTM? motosport wants $900 for a crank/conrod, $900 for a new piston/cylinder, and you can bet there would be more in lifter shims maybe valve seats/valves, all sorts of gaskets, and whatever is foind to be worn in bearings and shift forks etc. + labor. And that's probably around 300 hours for a pretty average rider. So that's 2 grand in gas and oil, and 3 grand in motor over 300 hours... Batteries that do 1000 cycles at 40 miles per don't seem that expensive.
Running an even bigger sprocket will get you more range at what ends up being a negligible hit to top speed for the power and purposes you have. The larger sprocket puts less load on the bike, try 64T.
Great video:-) I'm looking to do an offroad event, 2 hours is required, my Ultra Bee is all stock, apart from 21/18 wheels. The EBMX guys in Aus are only interested in full battery/X9000 controller bundles. I'd prefer to hold off for the Torp 1000, and just use a battery like yours (Not found any dealers for E Watt in Aus yet...) Question: Can't you swap back to the Stock battery, as a 'top up' for an event? Or, Does the bigger battery lid compartment for the larger battery not align with the stock unit? Keep up the vids and info, and enjoy your riding 🙂
@electricisbetter I did wonder about that with the alternative battery lid. Are you looking at controller options? Eg: I do like the idea of the Torp 1000, it retains the oem features of the TC, regen, eco/daily/sport switch. Thanks for the reply mate👍
On stock battery/controller on my tight Woods track, I can only get about 18 miles. My idea is the 80.3 V battery, I’m guessing I will get 50% further in range. Are you using the stock controller?
1 Liter Gas around 20 km with Piaggio NRG Moped (6 Liter Tank in this Model = 100 km)20 Kg Akku is around 90 km...but you need to do research...cheers*
@@bci3937 I did. I sold all my electric conversion stuff and switched to gas. 4680 never came out and lifepo4 takes up too much room. Need . Ore capacity friend. The motors are enough, controllers are a bit expensive but enough but battery's no
@@Tazdeviloo7 Sure, but it's technologically impossible with size, price, and weight. Someone already has 72v 73Ah and riding with the dirt boi on long cruising speed and barely made it. If you want to flex fully 100v 100Ah is the way.
It's worth $3600 to you since you race hare scrambles. Beats rebuilding a KTM motor every season.
Hi,
Higher voltage for Electric motorcycle is always the key from my understanding and knowledge, cause higher RPM motor, consume less amps in heat dissipation, for battery motor and controller gives you range and gives you also more speed in sport mode. If you don’t need this extra speed, getting a bigger is sprocket again will give you more torque also this the win-win solution for you and can reduce your battery amps and phase consummation at the same time without feeling a loss in power in sport mode.
Ultra bee battery pack: 74 Volt x 55 Ah= 4070 Watts-hours + Samsung 50S 6S 12 P = 21.6 Volt nominal x 60 Ah 1296 Wh addon pack = 5366 Wh total.
With this solution you don’t have to spend allot of money for a new battery. 72 Volt x 73 Ah = 5256 Wh only and at the end of the discharge cycle is only 60 Volt left in the battery at 3 Volt per cell so no more bigger power output at this point.
This addon solution battery pack can probably be fit under the seat where the storage area is currently with this addon pack connected in series you probably get the range you looking for and may be more.
Why anyone would buy the EBMX battery for 5k is beyond me when it’s the same as the Ewatt .
Great video I’ll be getting one from Ewatt for sure .
im currently making a diy 30ah secondary carbon fiber battery for the ultra bee under the seat, itll still use the old battery having a total 85 ah 74v battery! ill let you know if it works and ill send you more info if you are intrested. i should have it completed in 3/4 weeks just waiting for parts to arrive :) its costing under £1000 so far but takes a lot of time to make and some electrical knowledge
At least one aftermarket battery supplier is making this extender and it'll be out on the market sometime next year. It's 72V, 16Ah additional. Could work with electriciabetter's battery too.
@@Tazdeviloo7 it'll be interesting to see! yeah I had to remove a lot of the old plastics mudflap/storage so I can fit the new 30ah battery. it'll be all in one unit so its a carbon fibre mud guard and carbon battery that installs to the bottom of the aluminium tail frame and bolts to the passenger foot pegs and the passenger hang rails. you can still install the foot pegs & rails over the carbon.
@@Tazdeviloo7its 74v , I've seen torp open the ultra bee stock battery and it had 20 cells at 3.7v. im making mine at 3.7 30ah x 20
How'd it end up working out?
Id damn near get into making batteries packs for that price.
lol
thank you for this review i hope we see later the 76AH Upgrade if you win a lot of money in your race challanges xD
I need to upgrade my LB and UB right now...and man, is it painful. I can buy another whole new gas bike for the price of two upgraded batteries (and controller/motor on LB). The game we ebikers play
Better off keeping the 74v, and just buying a battery extender, a little pack would’ve been much better.
I like eletric bikes but the battery’s are expensive af
True, i have a job and i was waiting long time to finally bought a surron, the battery upgrade is a nice thing and i hope for more AH and then i will switch to the battery upgrade. I think this will take 2 years or my Battery broke. The next Level Battery Thing is Na-Ion (bigger, heavier an less Power :( - is that next level?)
So is gasoline and engine rebuilds. *shrug.
What's it cost to do a bottom end on a KTM? motosport wants $900 for a crank/conrod, $900 for a new piston/cylinder, and you can bet there would be more in lifter shims maybe valve seats/valves, all sorts of gaskets, and whatever is foind to be worn in bearings and shift forks etc. + labor. And that's probably around 300 hours for a pretty average rider. So that's 2 grand in gas and oil, and 3 grand in motor over 300 hours... Batteries that do 1000 cycles at 40 miles per don't seem that expensive.
damn they charged you double for that huge battery haha
Does this battery works with the stock controller? Do you need a different charger? Does it fit in the stock bike?
Geez krist man 72v 73ah with a 48kw yup that will definitely give ya the range for sure man but now that 80v 😝👍
Running an even bigger sprocket will get you more range at what ends up being a negligible hit to top speed for the power and purposes you have. The larger sprocket puts less load on the bike, try 64T.
Yes the battery is worth the money.
Great video:-) I'm looking to do an offroad event, 2 hours is required, my Ultra Bee is all stock, apart from 21/18 wheels. The EBMX guys in Aus are only interested in full battery/X9000 controller bundles. I'd prefer to hold off for the Torp 1000, and just use a battery like yours (Not found any dealers for E Watt in Aus yet...) Question: Can't you swap back to the Stock battery, as a 'top up' for an event? Or, Does the bigger battery lid compartment for the larger battery not align with the stock unit? Keep up the vids and info, and enjoy your riding 🙂
Can can swap back if needed, the new battery lid with stock batter would have some play though
@electricisbetter I did wonder about that with the alternative battery lid. Are you looking at controller options? Eg: I do like the idea of the Torp 1000, it retains the oem features of the TC, regen, eco/daily/sport switch. Thanks for the reply mate👍
On stock battery/controller on my tight Woods track, I can only get about 18 miles. My idea is the 80.3 V battery, I’m guessing I will get 50% further in range. Are you using the stock controller?
To much 💲way to much🤑
wow! nice set up!
I’ll be interested in your 73ah battery dependent on price. Will you sell it with battery lid?
Stock sprocket is not 48t, it is a 46t sprocket.
So how far are the gassers doing on a tank?
1 Liter Gas around 20 km with Piaggio NRG Moped (6 Liter Tank in this Model = 100 km)20 Kg Akku is around 90 km...but you need to do research...cheers*
@@bci3937 I did. I sold all my electric conversion stuff and switched to gas. 4680 never came out and lifepo4 takes up too much room. Need . Ore capacity friend. The motors are enough, controllers are a bit expensive but enough but battery's no
How many volts does your battery show when it is all the way full?
I believe it tops out at 81v when full
If you want to sell the battery i can buy!
Something you might consider is if you change the voltage of your battery from 72 to 80 I think you’ll have to replace the controller as well?
Yup, would need to change the controller as well.
I want 100v 100Ah or close to it as possible.
Why not 1000V 1000Ah 😂
@@Tazdeviloo7 Sure, but it's technologically impossible with size, price, and weight. Someone already has 72v 73Ah and riding with the dirt boi on long cruising speed and barely made it. If you want to flex fully 100v 100Ah is the way.