Car culture is a great area to bring together people from many backgrounds and economic levels. One of my favorite memories was hanging with Jacque Harguindey, the guy who restored and won the 50th Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance. He was very down to earth and got joy from the smiles his vehicle brought all kinds of people. Jacque would drive to get ice cream in it on a regular basis. Sure, the vehicle was worth millions, but he used it for a few years before selling. I have met many very wealthy people who loved sharing their cars with the public, not just the elites. I have enjoyed hanging out with all kinds of car clubs and car enthusiasts. Mostly, people I would not have met otherwise.
@SeanMcElroy, When John was talking about Defenders, It’s a huge hit with the Southern Indian politician crowd, they have rows of defenders ploughing through where ever they are, I think that’s still Land Rover’s niche, the go any where do any thing vehicle for the elite populi !!
Just a suggestion for the Autoline team, get 10 minutes more with guests that you do not share until you have a week off. Cobble together the segments to make a one show to be filler when you are off. Maybe think of more ever green topics to hit for those. Just a thought.
I found that discussion interesting about the success of Bronco, largely at the expense of Jeep. You forgot to mention, though, that most of the buyers of those highly capable off roaders are "posers." They buy them for the image, and/or because they can be "open air," but a very low percentage actually take them off road, beyond what you can do with a Civic or Corolla. As far as off roading with EVs, they should work well, but those off-roading parks need a bunch of chargers. Of course, most of the buyers of Scout, if it makes it to market, will use them mainly for commuting and soccer mom/dad duty.
I wish you had spent more time on the issues with Volkswagen and CN imports. This is a *big deal*, especially as (one way or another) dumping is likely to continue to warp the competitive nature of Chinese car sales. There must be limits on how much we're willing to give up for cheap cars, when it destroys our industries. Saying that, we can also point the finger at greed in the C-suites, pushing for more expensive SUVs and ignoring (killing off) small, affordable domestic vehicles.
My jaguar s-type is a classic based on a classic from 2001 and the retro thing is still going to this day i.e bronco,jeep etc.......lol how far can you keep ressurecting the past....isnt it time we did original things?
The Stinger is now basically a classic car now. Kudos to the Koreans for putting together something that to me is considered a classic maybe a year or so
IMHO you have to be objective, if you're subjective then every car is a classic. An example of an objective method would be to plot the market price for car models over time, there will cars that graph low, and some cars that spike very high. The spikes are the classics. Example, the 1970 Camaro Z28 is lower, but the 1969 Camaro Z28 spikes very high, it's undeniably a classic, and there's objective proof. Current cars are not classics because the price, while high, doesn't spike, New cars depreciate. Rare new cars can't be reasonably compared to classic cars - the manufacturer determined their value, not the buyer.
The many brands thing is not a real asset. I laugh every time GM leadership talks about creating another brand. The history of GM is filled with the death of many brands. VW needs to shed some brands. Adding Scout seems like some marketing guy convinced VW leadership to bring that brand back. Already, it sounds like Scout is in trouble. Thanks to China and that changing markets I'm general, most legacy builders who soaked in big profits and just tried to ignore the warning signs so they could keep doing what they have been doing, it has put the future if many legacy builders in question. When 2035 hits, we might be havevmany missing or under new ownership.
Stellantis is missing the price point for the consumer. Just look at the chevy trax and invista. They want covid margins and thats not going to happen. Holy oaks is a sorry excuse for a offroad park when compared to other states, sorry to say. Nothing against the guys that built it but no. I saw them fitst testing the ev hummer at holy oaks crab walking up that big rock. 😂 Ev vehicles offroad is way to heavy for off-roading, trying burying it to the bottom in mud and try pulling it out. 🤔
Really liked the perspectives of this weeks guests. Impressive knowledge
The first half was about classic cars then it turned to automotive news, that's when it got good.
Why?Classic Cars are amazing and real fun!
Car culture is a great area to bring together people from many backgrounds and economic levels.
One of my favorite memories was hanging with Jacque Harguindey, the guy who restored and won the 50th Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance. He was very down to earth and got joy from the smiles his vehicle brought all kinds of people. Jacque would drive to get ice cream in it on a regular basis. Sure, the vehicle was worth millions, but he used it for a few years before selling. I have met many very wealthy people who loved sharing their cars with the public, not just the elites.
I have enjoyed hanging out with all kinds of car clubs and car enthusiasts. Mostly, people I would not have met otherwise.
@SeanMcElroy,
When John was talking about Defenders,
It’s a huge hit with the Southern Indian politician crowd, they have rows of defenders ploughing through where ever they are, I think that’s still Land Rover’s niche, the go any where do any thing vehicle for the elite populi !!
Classic car is any car that reminds you of a bygone era of 25 years or more..
Just a suggestion for the Autoline team, get 10 minutes more with guests that you do not share until you have a week off. Cobble together the segments to make a one show to be filler when you are off. Maybe think of more ever green topics to hit for those.
Just a thought.
I think of classic cars as predating unleaded gas and mandatory seat belts. Anything after that is "modern."
BOORING. Ok, the second part was good
I found that discussion interesting about the success of Bronco, largely at the expense of Jeep. You forgot to mention, though, that most of the buyers of those highly capable off roaders are "posers." They buy them for the image, and/or because they can be "open air," but a very low percentage actually take them off road, beyond what you can do with a Civic or Corolla.
As far as off roading with EVs, they should work well, but those off-roading parks need a bunch of chargers. Of course, most of the buyers of Scout, if it makes it to market, will use them mainly for commuting and soccer mom/dad duty.
I wish you had spent more time on the issues with Volkswagen and CN imports. This is a *big deal*, especially as (one way or another) dumping is likely to continue to warp the competitive nature of Chinese car sales. There must be limits on how much we're willing to give up for cheap cars, when it destroys our industries. Saying that, we can also point the finger at greed in the C-suites, pushing for more expensive SUVs and ignoring (killing off) small, affordable domestic vehicles.
Some square body love here.
My jaguar s-type is a classic based on a classic from 2001 and the retro thing is still going to this day i.e bronco,jeep etc.......lol how far can you keep ressurecting the past....isnt it time we did original things?
The Stinger is now basically a classic car now. Kudos to the Koreans for putting together something that to me is considered a classic maybe a year or so
You want to know about Classic Cars, ask Jay Leno.
"Jiyan"
IMHO you have to be objective, if you're subjective then every car is a classic. An example of an objective method would be to plot the market price for car models over time, there will cars that graph low, and some cars that spike very high. The spikes are the classics. Example, the 1970 Camaro Z28 is lower, but the 1969 Camaro Z28 spikes very high, it's undeniably a classic, and there's objective proof. Current cars are not classics because the price, while high, doesn't spike, New cars depreciate. Rare new cars can't be reasonably compared to classic cars - the manufacturer determined their value, not the buyer.
The many brands thing is not a real asset. I laugh every time GM leadership talks about creating another brand. The history of GM is filled with the death of many brands.
VW needs to shed some brands. Adding Scout seems like some marketing guy convinced VW leadership to bring that brand back. Already, it sounds like Scout is in trouble.
Thanks to China and that changing markets I'm general, most legacy builders who soaked in big profits and just tried to ignore the warning signs so they could keep doing what they have been doing, it has put the future if many legacy builders in question. When 2035 hits, we might be havevmany missing or under new ownership.
"Folks"
Renault? Huh?
"community"
The worst car built today is a far better car than the 62 Chevy you love Get over it They weren’t great cars
Stellantis is missing the price point for the consumer. Just look at the chevy trax and invista. They want covid margins and thats not going to happen. Holy oaks is a sorry excuse for a offroad park when compared to other states, sorry to say. Nothing against the guys that built it but no. I saw them fitst testing the ev hummer at holy oaks crab walking up that big rock. 😂 Ev vehicles offroad is way to heavy for off-roading, trying burying it to the bottom in mud and try pulling it out. 🤔
as the next generation comes through, classic cars are going to be museum pieces.
No
VW is the canary in the coal mine.. Diamler and BMW aren't doing so well either..
They are all doing well!