***** Which is why I added to fix your cocking spring, a lot of cases of sticky bolt are from the cocking spring being too long (sloppy refurbishment during the Soviet Union)
Every video game ever that features the Mosin-Nagant has praised it for being "strong" and "accurate" and "very reliable". In MGS3 they even say that German soldiers in WW2 would ditch their Kar98k rifles and use picked up Mosin-Nagant sniper rifles. In reality compared to most other military bolt action rifles, the Mosin-Nagant is none of those things.
Well the German sniper scopes (most common in use was the Zf 41) were often pretty terrible, so I guess the story about picking up Mosin snipers may have some validity to it.
@@medievalarmorexptert6827 sniper tends to care their rifle more thoroughly than regular, so it's not an issue. Sniper wanted utmost accuracy so anything that can make them hit target better; from higher quality bullet to highest quality scope are welcomed for sniper
Can't remember his name, but there was a pretty accomplished WW2 German sniper who actually chose to use a mosin rather than the German issue options until he later was acknowledged as a sniper (he took on the role on his own interest) and was given an official purpose-made sniper rifle. By that time he had already killed a large number of Russians with his mosin.
"Did they carry them with the safety on?" HAH!! I'm betting most Soviet conscripts didn't even know the weapon had a safety!! I sure didn't, for a good few years... :P
Can we all just accept it for the mass-produced garbage it was always intended to be? The fact this test surprises anyone reveals some serious bias among gun enthusiasts.
Friend's dad found one with metal detector ( On Ukraine). In water. It was rusty as hell but not so much since mud it was in did not get much air on it. He also found few full clips. He loaded. It fired.
Keeps it clean and add a little more and it'll break up the shape of the rifle making it easy for the sniper to stay in one place for longer periods of time without being spotted. I can't imagine they relocated much between shots in the trenches.
I've got a 1934 Tula hex 91/30 and she's been good to me in the short few years I've had it. I picked it up missing the cleaning rod, sling, and bayonet. Don't regret a thing. Maybe not the best but one of my favorites to shoot.
Ah, the good 'ol moist-nugget. The Mosin has a pretty crummy action to start with. Most are like dragging a fridge across a beach. The smoothest one I've handled is my Hungarian mosin, but even that doesn't stack up to my friend's K98.
My brother and I found a vintage manual of arms from Czarist imperial Russia, written in Russian complete with several obsolete letters that are no longer part of the Cryllic alphabet and illustrations. The official procedure for opening a stuck closed bolt was as follows: "1 lay rifle on ground bolt up. 2 step on rifle with right foot, all weight on the stock over the magazine. 3 with left leg kick the bolt open with heel using appropriate force."
I have an 1897 Tula which still has its front sight. And the Finnish meter update to the rear sight. One capability that the M1891 has that commentators often neglect is that you can stand it on the butt end on a flat floor, and it will stand unsupported. I also think that two Mosin shooters operating as a team under unfavorable field conditions can use the butt end of one rifle to open the bolt of another. Another example of the power of comradeship.
I remember when I first got my Mosin, it was so caked up with gunk inside that when you put the safety on, it didn’t cock the rifle. (I could work the action, dry-fire it, then put the safety on, and after I took the safety off the weapon wouldn’t dry-fire, i.e. it would be un-cocked) My friend came over to walk me through cleaning it (it was my first rifle, and I didn’t know much about cleaning guns) and when it worked properly, we both thought that I had assembled the bolt incorrectly. After what must have been at least 4 tries of re-assembling the bolt, and numerous UA-cam videos and web articles searched, we realized that it was actually operating as intended.
To be fair, mosins are a bit of a bear to unlock even when clean so it is not overly surprising it failed this test. I would wait to see how the other rifles do before passing judgement, especially the ones that use a cam to cock the rifle.
I would like to point it might be garbage but it was the rifle used by the White death the sniper with the most confirmed kills. It might be garbage but its the best garbage there is.
That is hands down the most volatile mud I've seen. I wish you guys could do a series of tests with several of each gun in different types of mud. Very fine, gritty stuff that wants to seep in every little crack possible would be interesting.
This was the finest comedy I've seen in months. Ian has some natural talent going for him. I was laughing my ass off the first time Ian decided to bang the bolt against the cart.
The Mauser 98 service rifle is beautiful and has a strong front locking action that can be readily rechambered for a wide range of rimless hunting rounds like the 9.3x62mm big game round, but was a second-rate service rifle. The simpler and more robust Mosin-Nagant (pronounced ‘Mo-seen Na-gon’) - which was affectionately called the “Mosinka” by Russian soldiers - is a much better service rifle thanks in large part to its quick release magazine floorplate that allows quick and easy cleaning if dust, sand, dirt or mud gets into the action without the use of tools. Even better is the Lee-Enfield service rifle which had a rear locking action that was far easier to clean if dust, sand, dirt or mud got into the locking lug recesses, and uses easily cleaned quick detachable 10 round magazine (double the capacity of the 98 and Mosinka which use non-detachable magazines). You can also single load a round directly into the chamber of the Mosinka and Lee-Enfield if something went wrong with the magazine without a problem, but try doing so with the 98 and you will likely break the extractor. The best Mauser type rifle is the contemporary CRF Winchester Model 70 which has a quick release magazine floorplate, a coned breech, an easy to use 3-positon side-swing safety that facilitates the use of a low mounted telescopic sight, and a bevelled extractor that allows you to single load a round directly into the chamber without breaking the extractor. That said, if I had to grab one of these rifles for use in any conditions I would grab a Lee-Enfield (No. 5 “Jungle Carbine”), but would favor a Mosinka (M38 Carbine) if I wanted the most rugged rifle; though the M70 is arguably better for use against dangerous game thanks to its CRF action (better feed reliability) and a safety that is much easier to use than those used by the 98 and the Mosinka (if not the Lee-Enfield which has an excellent safety). If debris gets into the front locking lugs recesses of the 98, Mosinka or M70 you will want a toothbrush and a water canteen to clean it out. Lee-Enfield rifles in good condition are no longer readily available but Mosinkas are. The Molot KO-91/30 M hunting rifle is essentially a refurbished Mosin-Nagant M91/30 service rifle with a shorter barrel, a turned down bolt handle to facilitate the use of telescopic sights, and a quick detach side mount like that those fitted to AK-47 assault rifles.
Would you gentlemen have any interest in mud testing a revolver (or a couple of revolvers) vs a semi auto pistol (or a couple of them)? Id be very curious to see if any more reliability myths get dispelled or upheld. Thanks for what you guys do! -P.S. I double posted this here and on Full30
Considering the go-to tactic of artillery barrages immediately before infantry assaults, I totally expect that enough mud and dirt was kicked over the trenches that a really large portion of these rifles would've been inoperable during an enemy advance. Honestly the difference between this and the mauser could've been a deciding factor on strategic fronts. Crazy.
I see him put the clip in his pocket. I remember when stripper clips were so cheap and came with most surplus ammo that you just let them fall on the ground to be forgotten. Now I cherish my clips for my mauser 98! I particularly like early brass clips but the tin-steel ones are fine too...another great idea thanks to paul mauser...
I can only imagine how many sill scream if they do a Lee Enfield or a Mauser. Just watched someone's else's videos on both of those and with a lot less mud neither preformed much better. The Lee performed better than the mauser in their video thow not by much.
Heinrich Berndovsky I am guessing a Ross wouldn't do to well its a very complex action that needs to stay clean. A lebel would be interesting since it has a tube magazine instead of a box mag. It might work perfectly fine.
Mine is made in '38 and it is a honey, also I use Ballistol and Hoppe's no. 9 on it too a lot; shot it a lot even with Tula Ammo, I love my Mosin and I find it very reliable; but I also mostly use Winchester Deer Rounds.
I bought a Mosin (1944) and it worked well even after it rusted shut. true I had to kick the bolt open (literally kick). after that I loaded and fired 5 rounds no problem. what I had noticed about the Mosin was that they were masses produced by many different sources and often the parts aren't interchangeable because of this. So there will be some good ones and more often than not bad ones. still invest some money into one for upgrades and you can get a decent deer rifle.
Thank you for the great work that you put into every video! Among all youtube gun and history channels your fills in a gap that is very interesting and educating. Take care!
AFAIK, the Lee Enfield was generally the most reliable of the mainstream bolt actions (Mosin, Mauser/Springfields, Arisaka). But the point of the Mosin is that you don't have to ever clear a jam, you just buy/make another.
I was speaking in terms of the bolt-action design, not the rifle in particular. Arisaka is pretty much a beefed up Mauser. Whatever else makes the Arisakas reliable it's due to the specific rifle design, not the Mauser system.
You put mud in any rifle where the action is exposed like that and you're going to have issues no matter who made it. I'm not in love with the rifles, but you don't hear too much about these rifles being failure prone. They did their job just as they were intended to do.
This is why I prefer this channel over TFB TV. You don’t whine and spread propaganda about popular weapons. You show the pros and cons through field testing. I’m not a Mosin fanboy, but I don’t thinks it’s the worst weapon on earth. They have feeding issues, and the fit and finish isn’t the best, but they’re cheap and they work (for the most part.)
@@CutieCatSasha Yes. Especially when bombers target enemy cities, as it happens since 1943 all over the world. What a sight! Burning people. Smell of fried human meat. Suffocating kids. Human remains on the street, burned, mutilated, frozen in the most grotesque poses. Collapsed houses turned in monumental tombs of wretched stone. Can you smell it, son? That's liberty, which had come to you from the sky
@@CutieCatSasha Instead of strategic bombers USSR produced a shitton of fighters and ground-attack planes. USSR definitely had the capability to create a powerful fleet for strategic bombing, but chose to make vehicles for direct support of ground forces. Why? There were idiots in Soviet planning bureau or they just realized that strategic bombing is useless? You could look up data. German industrial output was growing despite bombing, population was still supporting war effort until the very end, and bombing campaigns did almost nothing to help actual campaign for the majority of victims were civilians. Dresden, Hamburg, Pforzheim, Swinemuende, Darmstadt, Kassel and many others - these bombings targeted civilians and not the army. Firebombing of Tokyo, a testament to this campaign on Pacific front took lives of more that 100.000 people, mostly civilians, in a single raid. That's a terror campaign, nothing less. And much smaller losses of Allies on Western Front are explained simply by the fact that there were no battles of such magnitude as on Eastern Front and Germans were never so eager to fight western Allies as ferociously as they were fighting soviets.
@@thatdude3938 Both the US and GB are separated by the sea/ocean so that strategic bombers are the best choice for them. On the contrary, Third Reich and USSR were engaged in a grand continental warfare, thus the emphasis on groundsupport. Actually, Germans desired to create strategic airfleet, its just that their resources were limited, so they concentrated on a cost-effective one engine Stuka's. This lack of strategic airforce predetermined the Battle of England, that is what Cajus Bekker states in "The Luftwaffe War Diaries: The German Air Force in World War II". Indeed, Allied airstrikes targeted infrastructure behind the lines, that is generally civil population. Certainly it is a dubious deed, even war crime by the modern standards. Alas, WWII was a total war, and everybody practiced it. Didn't you know that the Germans, the Soviets and all the rest also burned numerous cities, Coventry from the air, Stalingrad, Berlin or Warsaw - with artillery etc. "German industrial output was growing despite bombing" that is what Soviet propaganda would say after 1945 to diminish the original Allied effort. It amuses me how people blemish the so called "liberty" (albeit truly imperfect!) without considering its far more disgusting alternatives - nazi/soviet totalitarian states.
The Mosin was chosen over the Nagant, for two main reasons - simplicity ( lower cost) & Russian design, ( also some similarity to the Berdan ), Fewer parts than Nagant, helped it's introduction, to conscript troops ( 'soldier proof' ). Also in icy frigid conditions, with looser tolerances, it was more reliable than K98 or Nagant. ( think AK47..)
This failure on the mud test would most definitely transfer to a Finnish Mosin, correct? Since the receiver seems to be the same thing. The only things different are the stock, barrel and sights.
Sorry for necroing, but the Finnish Mosins may have a more fitting bolt group, so it might change things a bit. For better or for worse, I really can't tell which would it be. The thing is, Finnish soldiers usually took the bolts out of rifles of the Soviet soldiers (captured or killed) because they were more loose, and thus less susceptible to frost. Mud was never really an issue "up here".
I love the Russian authenticity added during the cleaning process, nothing says Russia like beating your rifle in a wheelbarrow and pouring water on it to get it running again. 😂
As we're discovering, when it comes to mud, looser tolerances just mean more space for pebbles to get wedged in. But, of course, loose tolerances mean less expense to manufacture and less likelihood of becoming fouled out of commission, so it's a trade-off.
just now discovered this. I have a sneaking suspicion that most of the bolt actions of the period would perform poorly, considering they have nothing to prevent mud/trash from getting on/in the bolt area. Makes sense why several nations made mud guards or dust covers for their respective bolt action rifles. Edit: Also, the Mosin was never the best rifle to begin with, and nearly everyone who used them seems to have known that :P
Mosin is good rifle, to protect motherland. I like mine. It was real cheap, came with a 2ft bayonet. Fun to take to the range, but nothing more than that.
It's hilarious how my first thought when it got stuck closed was "Just slam the bolt and beat it open." Ah, we Mosin Nagant owners are a very civilized and refined group of mil-surp enthusiasts. Although mine has a bolt that slides like butter. Could be the good cleaning I gave it, or the fact that it's a matched number 1940 Tula, so it's a pre- "OH SHIT, WE NEED MILLIONS OF THESE NOW!" production guns.
I saw the title, and I thought too myself "LOL! That POS's bolt feels like it's lined with sandpaper as it is. No way in hell it's opening with mud in it."
Very interesting test, equally interesting "debate" in the comments section about pulling on the cocking knob to try and make it easier to pull the bolt open. It certainly helps a bit when the bolt doesn't want to open.
I like these tests and I was super impressed by the AR. I'd really like it if you did some 'graded' mud tests. Like, total submerging but afterwards give it a spirited hand cleaning with a gloved hand before firing for a "mud test 2nd class" test. Then maybe a drop in mud and pick up "mud test 3rd class".
Fascists literally prided themselves on not being free. Don't obfuscate reality for a chance to spread propaganda. I personally like how the AK and Mosin lost a fight against mud but won 2 wars against world superpowers.
So many bolt guns in need of comparison. So little time. I'm intrigued to see how a Carcano type rifle would do. Really anything that employs enbloc magazines. They have that big hole in the bottom to allow the clip to fall out so ingress of mud could be a real problem.
I would like to point out that the wheelbarrow has performed flawlessly in several mud tests thus far, this being it's most grueling.
It's the real MVP
I can attest to that. I've got a modified version with two rollers. That sort of lockup keeps the barrow much more stable during use.
Damian Grouse
BAN THE WHEELBARROW!
that is the most famous wheelbarrow on youtube!
wood1155 no i would wager its chineses clone.... but how could one ever know?
Looks like the people who got mud in their Mosin in WW1 could not get the second shot off till WW2.
PleaseDontWatchThese good timing too. Damn near let the Krauts take Stalingrad
nah, they just smacked the bolt with a hammer
Or they died
In fairness, it took until WW II for the Soldier to be given a second bullet.
It's why Russia pulled out of WWI.
"Very inexpensive." Please Ian don't make me cry, don't remind me I missed the golden mil-sure age.
SmugNigel I paid $155 for my mosin with a sling, cleaning kit, pouch, oil can, and a few rounds
I paid 120 for an unissued short Mosin Nagent in 2008. You still can for about 200...Mausers are going way up though, especially nice ones.
@@brandonbentley8532 That's the thing. Now they cost 200, 300 dollars. Gone are the days of the 99 dollar garbage rod ;-;
@@blarghinatelazer9394 Every Mosin I saw for sale this year was over $300.
@@blarghinatelazer9394 SKS's and Mosins are now 400 dollars.
It’s amazing, you’ve turned a bolt action rifle into a single shot breech loader. Absolutely stunning.
considering the mosin needs to be beaten open under ideal conditions this test isn't surprising in the slightest
You're gun has issues :)
Replace your cocking spring.
Clean the damn cosmoline out of it. And that problem fades quickly.
The Unknown decepticon
not always.
*****
Which is why I added to fix your cocking spring, a lot of cases of sticky bolt are from the cocking spring being too long (sloppy refurbishment during the Soviet Union)
"I once broke a wheelbarrow trying to get a Mosin bolt open"
Late but the only time the wheelbarrow malfunction
True Russian philosophy : hit it with something until it works.
Every video game ever that features the Mosin-Nagant has praised it for being "strong" and "accurate" and "very reliable". In MGS3 they even say that German soldiers in WW2 would ditch their Kar98k rifles and use picked up Mosin-Nagant sniper rifles. In reality compared to most other military bolt action rifles, the Mosin-Nagant is none of those things.
Well the German sniper scopes (most common in use was the Zf 41) were often pretty terrible, so I guess the story about picking up Mosin snipers may have some validity to it.
@@scientificconsideration8294 honestly, i wouldnt give reliability and accuracy for a better scope.
@@medievalarmorexptert6827 sniper tends to care their rifle more thoroughly than regular, so it's not an issue. Sniper wanted utmost accuracy so anything that can make them hit target better; from higher quality bullet to highest quality scope are welcomed for sniper
@@scientificconsideration8294 Patently false and complete BS.
Can't remember his name, but there was a pretty accomplished WW2 German sniper who actually chose to use a mosin rather than the German issue options until he later was acknowledged as a sniper (he took on the role on his own interest) and was given an official purpose-made sniper rifle. By that time he had already killed a large number of Russians with his mosin.
Mud Test: The WW1 & WW2 Mosin-Nagant is a wrong title, the title should be, "gun jesus hitting a mosin against a wheel barrow"
KazooLordHD you are right
"Mud Test: The WW1/WW2 Mosin-Nagant bolt VS wheelbarrow full of mud."
Ian you are not true Soviet. True Soviet carries trusty rock to beat open Mosin! Trusty rock is also good for wife as well.
BLYAT
Like...is the rock the wife?
Zachary Bowman did the joke rly just flew over you like that?
Instead of water to clean mud, Red Army standard is to piss on it. Also good for cleaning barrel...
Rock for when wife no cook chebureki and borsch for hungry slav. Hit the suka.
when the wheelbarrow full of mud cost just as much as the gun.
maybe like 5 years ago
Awwww with the lowballing
I wish this was still true
I see mosin is not affected by mud at all, works about the same as a clean one!
"Did they carry them with the safety on?"
HAH!! I'm betting most Soviet conscripts didn't even know the weapon had a safety!! I sure didn't, for a good few years... :P
don't think many of them had any ammo in the first place
I don't think they bothered using it 'cause it's such a pain in the ass operating the damn thing.
I uh, honestly just learned there was a safety in the video....
I feel like the safety is more dangerous to engage than it is worth having it on.
Those conscripts actually received training on how to use the rifles. They were definitely shown how to use the safety.
I dont think this test is realistic because this isnt european mud, please redo the test in the easteuropean swamps
seriously? what do you expect then?
Trying to bait some Mosin Nagant fanboys that are coming up with an excuse for every failure over here ;)
lol
+Dwarf-Elvish Diplomacy lmao :D
But be sure to check the European mud's birth certificate! We want to see proof of it's origin!
“So the interrupter is interrupting”
And that was the day Ian killed a man.
1:47 this gotta be the smoothest mosin reload you will ever see lads
I dunno, I've got one just like that from 1943 that cycles smooth as butter
@@MrSnake-dh3hu me too, got a Finnish 1942 one that really does good. Wish I had something better than the steel ammo to feed it
@@jongreenshields2815 yeah Mosins are completely changed. Better than any other mosin.
@@jongreenshields2815 finnish mosins i should have said
Can we all just accept it for the mass-produced garbage it was always intended to be? The fact this test surprises anyone reveals some serious bias among gun enthusiasts.
Friend's dad found one with metal detector ( On Ukraine).
In water.
It was rusty as hell but not so much since mud it was in did not get much air on it.
He also found few full clips.
He loaded.
It fired.
Can you mud test Jerry Miculek trigger finger? I want to see if anything can slow him down.
PleaseDontWatchThese You made my day.
No, his finger is a registered full auto finger
"I'm not worried from a safety perceptive; you know what you're doing." Famous last words ;-)
+Stephen Andersen I'm a survivor! ~Karl
InRangeTV survivor's bias. a common logical fallacy ;-)
can't wait to see how the 98 compares to that
Likely the same, no rifle works when it's bolt is full of mud.
Watched a video on someone mud testing one with less mud. About the same as the mosin preformed here.
especially when the said mud is full of quartz cobbles/pebbles
Some weapons work after this treatment, like the Winchester 1895 mentioned in the video.
98 is bit better closed off, my tip is it would extract with no problems. Quesion is if it will be able to lock on next round.
1:45 here we can see some rare colorized footage where the stripper clip for a mosin works as intended.
Remember Lads....Wen fighting in the eastern front, don't forget your wheelbarrow so that your can cycle your mosin-nagant bolt efficiently.
So what you're saying is, if I want to go into war with a Mosin rifle, I need to bring my trusty wheel barrow along?
Yes. And when you return home, you will have dumped the rifle but kept the wheel barrow as it was more effective weapon..
I JUST saw a WWI photo of a British soldier in the trenches. He had a piece of burlap tied around the action of his rifle to keep it clean. FWIW.
Exactly right! If your own life depends on your rifle working, you will do anything to keep it working.
Keeps it clean and add a little more and it'll break up the shape of the rifle making it easy for the sniper to stay in one place for longer periods of time without being spotted. I can't imagine they relocated much between shots in the trenches.
@@craigmack3361 nah fix ur bayonet and charge at machine gun nests, the weebs did it through the Pacific campaign
I'd love to see a Springfield 1903 mud test.
and a M1917 Enfield
Geralt of Rivia well, I think both of those use Mauser (inspired) actions, so they would be very similar to the kar/gewehr 98
I want Carcano mud test or at least sand test.
I've got a 1934 Tula hex 91/30 and she's been good to me in the short few years I've had it. I picked it up missing the cleaning rod, sling, and bayonet. Don't regret a thing. Maybe not the best but one of my favorites to shoot.
I want to see the arisaka type 99 to see if that cover over the bolt would truly do its job
We will be trying that, because I'm curious about it too. ~Ian
Ah, the good 'ol moist-nugget. The Mosin has a pretty crummy action to start with. Most are like dragging a fridge across a beach. The smoothest one I've handled is my Hungarian mosin, but even that doesn't stack up to my friend's K98.
You should have prayed to Glorious Stalin and requested the rifle to work.
Should've sacrificed a few political dissidents to the gulag gods.
Worked for me.
My brother and I found a vintage manual of arms from Czarist imperial Russia, written in Russian complete with several obsolete letters that are no longer part of the Cryllic alphabet and illustrations. The official procedure for opening a stuck closed bolt was as follows: "1 lay rifle on ground bolt up. 2 step on rifle with right foot, all weight on the stock over the magazine. 3 with left leg kick the bolt open with heel using appropriate force."
"Das Russ(en)gewehr ist Scheiße" -Ian
haha
HeT TBI mudak
dammit, where do you get the double s.
CYKA BLYAD IDI MAHUI! Jk
+Mike Blair hold your "S" down
Man I love this stuff! Put this on The History Channel and I'll consider paying for cable.
the first wheelbarrow action rifle.
I have an 1897 Tula which still has its front sight. And the Finnish meter update to the rear sight. One capability that the M1891 has that commentators often neglect is that you can stand it on the butt end on a flat floor, and it will stand unsupported. I also think that two Mosin shooters operating as a team under unfavorable field conditions can use the butt end of one rifle to open the bolt of another. Another example of the power of comradeship.
A 2x4 is required for standard operation of the mosin. I figured that would be a given.
Standard mosin practice under muddy conditions:
1. Fire Shot
2. Fail to cycle
3. Pick up another mosin
Repeat
Okay, but this is how I normally run my mosin anyway without mud.
I remember when I first got my Mosin, it was so caked up with gunk inside that when you put the safety on, it didn’t cock the rifle. (I could work the action, dry-fire it, then put the safety on, and after I took the safety off the weapon wouldn’t dry-fire, i.e. it would be un-cocked) My friend came over to walk me through cleaning it (it was my first rifle, and I didn’t know much about cleaning guns) and when it worked properly, we both thought that I had assembled the bolt incorrectly. After what must have been at least 4 tries of re-assembling the bolt, and numerous UA-cam videos and web articles searched, we realized that it was actually operating as intended.
To be fair, mosins are a bit of a bear to unlock even when clean so it is not overly surprising it failed this test. I would wait to see how the other rifles do before passing judgement, especially the ones that use a cam to cock the rifle.
not all Mosin bolts are hard to open :/
+Gungeek i may be spoiled. my first rifle was a lee-enfield
Had a few enfields with very bad bolts :)
Yes, big, strong, Russian bear.
"...and we'll live with it."
Famous last words.
Garbage rod.
I knew you'd show up, Mauser fanboy, lol😀
there is a reason 99% of modern hunting bolt actions use the Mauser action.
+CaboosyMamusi because deer dont shoot back
Just no...
I would like to point it might be garbage but it was the rifle used by the White death the sniper with the most confirmed kills. It might be garbage but its the best garbage there is.
That is hands down the most volatile mud I've seen. I wish you guys could do a series of tests with several of each gun in different types of mud. Very fine, gritty stuff that wants to seep in every little crack possible would be interesting.
The Germans in WW2 (and I believe in WW1 as well) thought there were specifically three different and distinct types of mud. ~Karl
9:44 "Das Russen-Gewehr ist Scheisse".
I’m glad Ian knows the difference between inexpensive and cheap.
Comments are not deactivated, that's crazy!
This was the finest comedy I've seen in months. Ian has some natural talent going for him.
I was laughing my ass off the first time Ian decided to bang the bolt against the cart.
It be intresting to see shotguns of WW1 and WW2 mud test in future videos
The Mauser 98 service rifle is beautiful and has a strong front locking action that can be readily rechambered for a wide range of rimless hunting rounds like the 9.3x62mm big game round, but was a second-rate service rifle. The simpler and more robust Mosin-Nagant (pronounced ‘Mo-seen Na-gon’) - which was affectionately called the “Mosinka” by Russian soldiers - is a much better service rifle thanks in large part to its quick release magazine floorplate that allows quick and easy cleaning if dust, sand, dirt or mud gets into the action without the use of tools. Even better is the Lee-Enfield service rifle which had a rear locking action that was far easier to clean if dust, sand, dirt or mud got into the locking lug recesses, and uses easily cleaned quick detachable 10 round magazine (double the capacity of the 98 and Mosinka which use non-detachable magazines). You can also single load a round directly into the chamber of the Mosinka and Lee-Enfield if something went wrong with the magazine without a problem, but try doing so with the 98 and you will likely break the extractor. The best Mauser type rifle is the contemporary CRF Winchester Model 70 which has a quick release magazine floorplate, a coned breech, an easy to use 3-positon side-swing safety that facilitates the use of a low mounted telescopic sight, and a bevelled extractor that allows you to single load a round directly into the chamber without breaking the extractor. That said, if I had to grab one of these rifles for use in any conditions I would grab a Lee-Enfield (No. 5 “Jungle Carbine”), but would favor a Mosinka (M38 Carbine) if I wanted the most rugged rifle; though the M70 is arguably better for use against dangerous game thanks to its CRF action (better feed reliability) and a safety that is much easier to use than those used by the 98 and the Mosinka (if not the Lee-Enfield which has an excellent safety). If debris gets into the front locking lugs recesses of the 98, Mosinka or M70 you will want a toothbrush and a water canteen to clean it out. Lee-Enfield rifles in good condition are no longer readily available but Mosinkas are. The Molot KO-91/30 M hunting rifle is essentially a refurbished Mosin-Nagant M91/30 service rifle with a shorter barrel, a turned down bolt handle to facilitate the use of telescopic sights, and a quick detach side mount like that those fitted to AK-47 assault rifles.
Would you gentlemen have any interest in mud testing a revolver (or a
couple of revolvers) vs a semi auto pistol (or a couple of them)? Id be
very curious to see if any more reliability myths get dispelled or
upheld. Thanks for what you guys do! -P.S. I double posted this here and on Full30
I'm sure it'll happen at some point. ~Karl
Considering the go-to tactic of artillery barrages immediately before infantry assaults, I totally expect that enough mud and dirt was kicked over the trenches that a really large portion of these rifles would've been inoperable during an enemy advance. Honestly the difference between this and the mauser could've been a deciding factor on strategic fronts. Crazy.
Do a Lee-Enfield!!
Thauã Aguirre,
AGREE !!!
A rifle that drive me nuts on many fronts....
dig the propper reload of a mosin stripper clip , top round lifted up then push down.
You mean the Mosin-Nagant was a falsely romanticized in the movie "Enemy at the Gates"? Now I have to sell my Mosins.
I see him put the clip in his pocket. I remember when stripper clips were so cheap and came with most surplus ammo that you just let them fall on the ground to be forgotten. Now I cherish my clips for my mauser 98! I particularly like early brass clips but the tin-steel ones are fine too...another great idea thanks to paul mauser...
so that was why thousends of fanboys screamed in pain at the same time :)
I can only imagine how many sill scream if they do a Lee Enfield or a Mauser. Just watched someone's else's videos on both of those and with a lot less mud neither preformed much better. The Lee performed better than the mauser in their video thow not by much.
Heinrich Berndovsky I am guessing a Ross wouldn't do to well its a very complex action that needs to stay clean. A lebel would be interesting since it has a tube magazine instead of a box mag. It might work perfectly fine.
+TroopperFoFo i think that the carcano mud test will end up to be pretty similar to any german bolt action rifle since it uses the Mauser mechanism
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Ross is from Canada and Lebel is from France.
i Think a tub Magazine is worst, when it comes to mud.
Your sure they weren’t screaming over the AK video?
Mine is made in '38 and it is a honey, also I use Ballistol and Hoppe's no. 9 on it too a lot; shot it a lot even with Tula Ammo, I love my Mosin and I find it very reliable; but I also mostly use Winchester Deer Rounds.
Any chance you could do a mud test on a SVT40 or SKS? Great video.
Basicly 100% same as VZ58 in test time ago..
DestroyER82 No it wouldn't, the magazine is different. I think it would perform better.
I bought a Mosin (1944) and it worked well even after it rusted shut. true I had to kick the bolt open (literally kick). after that I loaded and fired 5 rounds no problem.
what I had noticed about the Mosin was that they were masses produced by many different sources and often the parts aren't interchangeable because of this. So there will be some good ones and more often than not bad ones. still invest some money into one for upgrades and you can get a decent deer rifle.
Ian shot right handed wtf
Is he allowed to do that??!
lol
+InRangeTV ive never seen it happen he usually shoots left handed.
Apologize if i offended anyone.
Ian is shooting the right way finally!
is he the person on forgotten weapons?:/
+leonid wolf This is his evil twin.
This is the OTHER evil twin.
Yep that's Gun Jesus
@@PerturaBased Allellueia and pass the ammunition
Thank you for the great work that you put into every video!
Among all youtube gun and history channels your fills in a gap that is very interesting and educating.
Take care!
And that's why it's called the garbage rod
I watched someone else videos with a Lee Enfield and a Mauser. Both failed with less mud but the lee Enfield did better than the Mauser.
AFAIK, the Lee Enfield was generally the most reliable of the mainstream bolt actions (Mosin, Mauser/Springfields, Arisaka).
But the point of the Mosin is that you don't have to ever clear a jam, you just buy/make another.
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Lee Enfield more reliable than an Arisaka? You wish.
I was speaking in terms of the bolt-action design, not the rifle in particular. Arisaka is pretty much a beefed up Mauser. Whatever else makes the Arisakas reliable it's due to the specific rifle design, not the Mauser system.
You put mud in any rifle where the action is exposed like that and you're going to have issues no matter who made it. I'm not in love with the rifles, but you don't hear too much about these rifles being failure prone. They did their job just as they were intended to do.
Wauw so nice to see, I expected the Mosin to cycle, but you guys managed to subverted my expectations! Greetings from the Netherlands!
If you mud test a lee enfield, i will have to cry...
This is why I prefer this channel over TFB TV. You don’t whine and spread propaganda about popular weapons. You show the pros and cons through field testing. I’m not a Mosin fanboy, but I don’t thinks it’s the worst weapon on earth. They have feeding issues, and the fit and finish isn’t the best, but they’re cheap and they work (for the most part.)
Russian method:
Attach bayonet.
Charge.
Die in a hail of machine gun fire.
British/American method:
Drop 100 000 tons of bombs on enemy positions.
Capture the ruins.
@@CutieCatSasha Yes. Especially when bombers target enemy cities, as it happens since 1943 all over the world. What a sight! Burning people. Smell of fried human meat. Suffocating kids. Human remains on the street, burned, mutilated, frozen in the most grotesque poses. Collapsed houses turned in monumental tombs of wretched stone. Can you smell it, son? That's liberty, which had come to you from the sky
@@CutieCatSasha Instead of strategic bombers USSR produced a shitton of fighters and ground-attack planes. USSR definitely had the capability to create a powerful fleet for strategic bombing, but chose to make vehicles for direct support of ground forces. Why? There were idiots in Soviet planning bureau or they just realized that strategic bombing is useless? You could look up data. German industrial output was growing despite bombing, population was still supporting war effort until the very end, and bombing campaigns did almost nothing to help actual campaign for the majority of victims were civilians. Dresden, Hamburg, Pforzheim, Swinemuende, Darmstadt, Kassel and many others - these bombings targeted civilians and not the army. Firebombing of Tokyo, a testament to this campaign on Pacific front took lives of more that 100.000 people, mostly civilians, in a single raid. That's a terror campaign, nothing less.
And much smaller losses of Allies on Western Front are explained simply by the fact that there were no battles of such magnitude as on Eastern Front and Germans were never so eager to fight western Allies as ferociously as they were fighting soviets.
@@thatdude3938 Both the US and GB are separated by the sea/ocean so that strategic bombers are the best choice for them. On the contrary, Third Reich and USSR were engaged in a grand continental warfare, thus the emphasis on groundsupport. Actually, Germans desired to create strategic airfleet, its just that their resources were limited, so they concentrated on a cost-effective one engine Stuka's. This lack of strategic airforce predetermined the Battle of England, that is what Cajus Bekker states in "The Luftwaffe War Diaries: The German Air Force in World War II".
Indeed, Allied airstrikes targeted infrastructure behind the lines, that is generally civil population. Certainly it is a dubious deed, even war crime by the modern standards. Alas, WWII was a total war, and everybody practiced it. Didn't you know that the Germans, the Soviets and all the rest also burned numerous cities, Coventry from the air, Stalingrad, Berlin or Warsaw - with artillery etc. "German industrial output was growing despite bombing" that is what Soviet propaganda would say after 1945 to diminish the original Allied effort.
It amuses me how people blemish the so called "liberty" (albeit truly imperfect!) without considering its far more disgusting alternatives - nazi/soviet totalitarian states.
When I'm having a bad day. I watch InRange
Seeing a man with an SS helmet german poncho like camo and a Mosin in the US is quite funny.
Achievement unlocked! : multi national
The Mosin was chosen over the Nagant, for two main reasons - simplicity ( lower cost) & Russian design, ( also some similarity to the Berdan ), Fewer parts than Nagant, helped it's introduction, to conscript troops ( 'soldier proof' ). Also in icy frigid conditions, with looser tolerances, it was more reliable than K98 or Nagant. ( think AK47..)
This failure on the mud test would most definitely transfer to a Finnish Mosin, correct? Since the receiver seems to be the same thing. The only things different are the stock, barrel and sights.
They're essentially the same thing, yes. ~Karl
Sorry for necroing, but the Finnish Mosins may have a more fitting bolt group, so it might change things a bit. For better or for worse, I really can't tell which would it be.
The thing is, Finnish soldiers usually took the bolts out of rifles of the Soviet soldiers (captured or killed) because they were more loose, and thus less susceptible to frost. Mud was never really an issue "up here".
I love the Russian authenticity added during the cleaning process, nothing says Russia like beating your rifle in a wheelbarrow and pouring water on it to get it running again. 😂
Loved the "Russian rifles are shit" there at the end! ;)
Fascinating! I kinda expected the loose tolerances to let the rifle chug along nicely, so this was an eye-opener.
As we're discovering, when it comes to mud, looser tolerances just mean more space for pebbles to get wedged in. But, of course, loose tolerances mean less expense to manufacture and less likelihood of becoming fouled out of commission, so it's a trade-off.
+TheRealColBosch well loose tolerances do help in extreme heat or cold.
smle mk 3 mud test?
just now discovered this. I have a sneaking suspicion that most of the bolt actions of the period would perform poorly, considering they have nothing to prevent mud/trash from getting on/in the bolt area. Makes sense why several nations made mud guards or dust covers for their respective bolt action rifles.
Edit: Also, the Mosin was never the best rifle to begin with, and nearly everyone who used them seems to have known that :P
what jacket is he wearing?
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Heer pattern Sumpftarn smock.
Dammit Ian, the front sight houses all the spirit power, you can't NOT have that.
to all the Mosin fans.. let the butt hurt flow!
Ok, so let's see your favorite rifle get covered in this kind of mud, and see if it functions.
But seriously, what's your favorite rifle?
@B.O.S Ranger Hawke No gun could hold up to that kind of mud. Filled with pebbles and gritty stuff to gum up the works.
Mosin is good rifle, to protect motherland.
I like mine. It was real cheap, came with a 2ft bayonet. Fun to take to the range, but nothing more than that.
Beater of a rifle. Literally.
It's hilarious how my first thought when it got stuck closed was "Just slam the bolt and beat it open." Ah, we Mosin Nagant owners are a very civilized and refined group of mil-surp enthusiasts. Although mine has a bolt that slides like butter. Could be the good cleaning I gave it, or the fact that it's a matched number 1940 Tula, so it's a pre- "OH SHIT, WE NEED MILLIONS OF THESE NOW!" production guns.
People: this gun defeated the Nazis as Stalingrad! Give it all the respect in the world
InRangeTV:
I only wish I could like this more than once.
I saw the title, and I thought too myself "LOL! That POS's bolt feels like it's lined with sandpaper as it is. No way in hell it's opening with mud in it."
the mosin is a very reliable rifle as long as you do 10,000 fixes and beat it into submission
The combat wheelbarrow jam clearing technique is Gunkid approved.
as a mosin owner, i should point out that you need to clean the cosmoline out of it BEFORE you start mud testing.
And this, comrades, is why rifle has bayonet.
Very interesting test, equally interesting "debate" in the comments section about pulling on the cocking knob to try and make it easier to pull the bolt open. It certainly helps a bit when the bolt doesn't want to open.
helps most of the time, maybe not with this lol.
You guys make a good team. Thanks for another informative video.
I like these tests and I was super impressed by the AR. I'd really like it if you did some 'graded' mud tests. Like, total submerging but afterwards give it a spirited hand cleaning with a gloved hand before firing for a "mud test 2nd class" test. Then maybe a drop in mud and pick up "mud test 3rd class".
I love how the guns from the Soviet world (AK and Mosin-Nagant) both failed but the guns from the free world (M16, P.08 and FG 42) all worked.
Fascists literally prided themselves on not being free. Don't obfuscate reality for a chance to spread propaganda. I personally like how the AK and Mosin lost a fight against mud but won 2 wars against world superpowers.
So many bolt guns in need of comparison. So little time. I'm intrigued to see how a Carcano type rifle would do. Really anything that employs enbloc magazines. They have that big hole in the bottom to allow the clip to fall out so ingress of mud could be a real problem.
"I've broken the magazine". I didn't think you could brake an internal magazine like that XD
Reminds me of that old Westinghouse commercial for a refrigerator, where the lady had a lot of issues with it...
Mosin: *Fails on clean test fire*
I always have to smack the bolt open on these guns. Even clean, some of them won't open until you beat it like it owes you money.
A muddy Mosin, how cool.
Ayy one of the few mud test videos with comments enabled. I wish I could see the comments on other videos, I bet there was great discussion.
+Bryce P No, it was just garbage.