+Dylan Feliciano Someone finally had to do it. There was so much talk about this gun being unreliable in these conditions while nobody ever actually tested it.
I believe that a lot of the reputation for unreliability comes from weakened magazine springs over time. The toggle lock mechanism cycles extremely fast and requires a very strong magazine spring to ensure the next round is pushed up fast enough to get picked up. I use aftermarket Mec-Gar mags in my WWI P-08 and it runs 100%.
+Nutz4Gunz45 Yes, the magazine is a crucial part of this system. The P08 magazine spring is very strong due to the need for the next round to be inline for the bolt during the very fast cycling process of the toggle link action. Spot on. ~Karl
I always thought the bad reputation came from unintentional discharges, mainly GIs dropping captured souvenirs and shooting themselves in the leg, if they were lucky.
@@devinpetersen2387 cheaper to manufacture is what cost is! It wasn't outdated at all. That's a pure myth. The luger actually has less parts than the P38. That's another myth. It was replaced due to cost only!!!
@@staringgasmask I believe the best way to describe old guns is obsolescent, they still do exactly what they were designed to do but fall behind when compared to new guns
@@devinpetersen2387 it wasn’t really outdated at all! , the 1911 was still in service by that time, the brits still had there webley revolvers, it was due to the price.
Yeah but there's less mud on the Luger, I came from the glock video because I wanted to see how the Luger was able to pass and it's purely because it had less mud on it to begin with
@@phillipchapman9517 a lot of a mud, a little mud. it doesn't make that much difference. it's still a shitload of mud either way. way more than you'd ever normally get. and the P08 won.
Fine, just do not forget to: - add WW1 quality ammo - let the mud to get inside the barrel - drop the gun to the mud with opened breach and/or without magazine Test, how difficult and how long it takes to get gun back to fully functional Add long term effects - when dust and particles accumulate inside even in trace-like amount. Or they mix into the oil/grease. You get little rust at wrong not very accessible place. My bet - flush and shake the revolver in water and it is pretty likely to go. P.08? I am not so sure. I am not surprised that Luger worked in this test. My guess - even revolver could easily work with little luck, but you would IMHO want to check the barrel to be clean after every shot.
Its extremely tight-fitting and compact design + the fact that the toggle lock "yeets" away a lot of the mud is why this design works so well in muddy conditions.
The "unreliable Luger" myth was a result of lightly loaded American commercial ammo. Due to the fact the Italian Gliseti used a round dimensionally identical to 9mm parabellum, 9mm ammunition was severely underloaded for many years. The old Fraulein likes it hot.
@@kaiserwilhelmii3597 Ich wünsche Ihrer Kaiserlichen Majestät nur das Beste zum Weihnachsfeste, viel Gesundheit und Glück! Ein dreifaches: Hipphipp - Hurra! Hipphipp - Hurra! Hipphipp - Hurra!
Your observations about state of the gun vs original specification is really interesting. Plenty of those programs that you see on various cable channels comparing guns I bet don't take that into account.
Gentlemen I would like to personally thank you for the content that you put out. I do not know if this was one of your personal guns but I would imagine that it is. That is going above and beyond what is expected of a youtube channel. I don't know many other channels that would do this with their personal Luger. So I think that I can speak for all of us (your subscribers) when I say that this channel and Forgotten Weapons is quite literally the best gun/ gun information channels on UA-cam. Thank you Ian and Karl for doing all the awesome stuff that you all do!
Great video guys ! I just watched C & Rsenal's Luger video , what a great compliment. The Luger was a revolutionary gun. You've shown why it served so long. It's biggest problem was lot's of machining = lot's of $$$$!
I once read in a magazine article about the Luger and why the German Military wanted to replace it during World War 2. Just as Karl said it was expensive to build, as in it had cost about the same as building 4 Mauser KAR98k rifles at the time of the War.
I shoot a broomhandle Mauser for many years now. As it is the same vintage as the 08, we can savely assume they were designed for mostly the same ammo variant. That is: More pointed, heavy bullet and powerful, but not too fast propellant. The C96 does well with 124gr S&B and Magtech, kicks unfriendly with subsonic ammo where velocity is just brought down by bullet weight, still groups good, but with hot 115gr and below ammo she puts the bullets all over the target. She likes true subsonic stuff like Remington, just has feed issues with their truncated cones. But with vintage WWII 08 ammo, she´s a charm! She cycles softly, but you still notice the oomph of the ammo. The ammo may be exactly tuned for the 4" barrel of the 08 and the barrel moving back straight. This ammo did not have to perfectly work in subcompacts (get the bullet as fast as possibly as soon as possible) or guns with tilting barrels (get the bullet away before the breech tilts down). Just accelerate a heavier bullet over 4" in a pretty linear fashion. Ok, mud issues: The 08 is made to really tight tolerances, so there´s no way for dirt to enter. Dirty water maybe, but not much more.
I totally get Karl's cry at the end. If I ever started a gun collection, the Luger would at the very top of my list of guns to buy. Right alongside a WW1-style 1911 and a Walther PPK.
the p08 is my absolute favorite when it comes to look and design really nice video i never thought the gun is reliable cause all this people saying its not now i love it even more^^
Thing is, with Browning type weapons with internal locking lugs and recesses, even if the locking area is the ejection port, anything inside those recesses will stop the slide going into battery. The lock on the luger is an external toggle, which rotates, tending to fling mud off, and mud and grit does not stop that rotation.
My 1914 P.08 is the BEAST. It is fully sealed, sleak, tight, fires perfectly, always looked mud-ready. I never had any doubt. Thanks for the proof. P.S. My fully original Luger fires 124 grain bullets perfectly. That's the historic bullet. NATO is fine, 147 gr. is fine too. Modern wussy 115 grain bullets seem to be too light and will sometimes fail to eject. Use 124 gr. FMJ in your WWI Luger.
My 1938 Mauser model absolutely LOVES Fiocci 9AP, accuracy and function. Nothing else even comes close - and I tried ALOT of other loads before them. Worth a try if you're having function issues - as I was.
3:34 Notice that the toggle did not go all the way down. So, firing the next shot from that position may actually help open a gritty action. Luck, or clever design?
Mag springs are also really critical in these things. A bad mag spring will make a luger totally unreliable. I overhauled all the gun mounted springs in mine but did not get reliability until I replaced the mag spring. Now it works well with "most" ammo, but like yours it can be a bit picky with the lower end ammo. Thanks for the vid. Still a really great gun!
External vs internal locking surfaces. The toggle lock acts to self clean. The internal Browning type locking surfaces are very obviously vulnerable to grit getting between barrel and slider, stopping them locking and going into battery.
Excellent video, have collected both P08 and P38-and unlike many collectors have shot the hell out of both, prefer the P08 over the P38, it is a superior, but more expensive design-good work at dispelling a bad myth
i cried so hard as you dropped it in the mud. but it was b.e.a.u.t.i.f.u.l though to see it function and see a real life bf1 or ww1 scene and question get solved
I always assumed the German solution was to the P08's reliability problems was to issue a holster with the P08 that sealed it away from the world. The P08 sits so deep in its holster that a pull tab is required to yank it up slightly so you can actually have purchase on the grip and then draw. Can we also get a sand test? ;)
I have a INTERESTING LUGER that I picked up at a gun show. It's part WWI and part WWII (DWM toggle & 1940 on the barrel extension).The frame is marked on the trigger guard with the Simpson marking. The barrel was appeared NEW, it was ARSENAL MARKED.😁. The mag was AFTERMARKET CRAP and turned out to have the WRONG SPRINGS in it.( KNOW I've had 3 of them before). It had NO SERIAL NUMBER in the usual places. There were NO PROOFING MARKS either. I think it was put together after the was by a American soldier from parts what he could find at the armory. I replaced the springs with WOLFF SPRINGS and MEC-GAR mag, WORKS LIKE A CHAMP.😁. I paid $500 for it and spent $50 on parts, I'm VERY HAPPY.😁😎
Well done and well said gentlemen! it is interesting to see the "reliabilyu thing seen as a real issue by many when its really parts wearing out and simply getting old with craftsman guns (especially with german made guns) i find that for age the swiss guns tend to have more interchangeable parts due to more precice large scale manufacturing but even with those fitted parts are still common and those springs need to be well treated to keep the guns going.
ok...so now you've started it. p38? laihti? tokarev? 1911? ...heaven forbid...webley? I hear a rap song in my heard...dunk it in the mud, dunk it dunk it in the mud
It seems to me that if you were crawling along a river bank with your Luger in your holster fully submerged in muddy water for an hour, I think the sludge would have worked into the toggle action a little bit more than your quite courageous test has shown. That said it may be that the venerable 1911 would fail as well. The luger and the 1911 are the most iconic and coveted guns in my book. I have only held a luger when I was about 8 years old. I was always fascinated with it. The Germans definitely have the Tech stuff down. Still I have carried my 1911 as a CCW. I think because of the speed of clearing the safety I would not have a Luger as a CCW. I sure would love to have one though. Thanks for the courageous video.
As much as it makes me want to cry seeing a piece of history subjected to this, there wasn't REMOTELY as much mud on the luger as there was on the glock & others
im not saying its not reliable, but the rumors i heard were about the quality of the ammo, id be curious to see that tested, but my prediction is that youd have to have some reeeealy bad ammo to get it to not work lol
The ammo sensitivity of the Luger became a problem in WW2. After the introduction of the "Pistolenpatrone 08 mit Eisenkern" (Pistol cartridge 08 with iron core) and the "Pistolenpatrone 08 SE" (SE= Sintereisen = sintered iron), both steel cased, there was an order to safe the old brass ammunition for the Luger pistols. But as you said, this is nothing to blame the gun for. Greetings from Germany.
Im surprised that this wasnt requested more. I would have thought that this would have been on the top of the list. My lugers are very reliable they have really strong springs in them. It keeps that crap out of it really well as well. Both of my lugers will fire anything. I have never had a problem unless i caused it.
Thanks for making this video guys, now I can use my Luger in Fallout 4 with much more confidence. But seriously, I saw a video once (it was an SS documentation I believe) where a guy said that because of the 'dirt issue' the holster for the Luger was changed to fit more tightly and therefor to prevent dirt from getting in. After watching your video, I wonder if that was the real reason or if it was true at all... Greetings from Germany.
I always tell people, most historians do not know what they're talking about. They often play off of rumor, myth and gossip, throw in some propaganda promoted by political/military factions of the time and post war, and then throw in just pure lazy research, and you get an environment were there are literally mountains of inaccuracies about even simple things like this. But then again, they have to work with what they can get I guess.
So who else is amused that the supposedly unreliable Luger is one of a tiny number of the guns tested this way by InRangeTV to not have any issues at all with the mud while the "reliable" guns like the Colt 1911a1 or even the AK47 all have problems out the wazoo? On the other hand, this pistol cost three times as much to make as Mauser rifle.
That would completely explain the one change the Germans did do with the Luger, the redesign of the holster to do a better job to keep the mud out, just to keep required cleaning down!
American school of thought: Make the tolerances so loose mud and dirt fall out. German school of thought: Make the tolerances so tight mud and dirt can't get in.
Keep in mind, armies using the P08 used them for 4 years, which is long enough to do some serious wear on springs and magazines and such. As long as you maintain it though, chances are it will be reliable as any modern gun.
I've found that my 1936 S/42 Luger prefers it's ammunition loaded with powders such as Alliant Green Dot and Red Dot, although it will also work with a lot of commercial 9mm ammunition as well.
It physically hurts me to see a good PO8 put in mud. It was pretty cool though.
+Dylan Feliciano You got there first
+Dylan Feliciano
Someone finally had to do it. There was so much talk about this gun being unreliable in these conditions while nobody ever actually tested it.
+Exgrmbl agreed
I'd rather see a baby seal shoot a seal poacher with a P08.
+Michael Smith
Now that would be crazy cool.
I believe that a lot of the reputation for unreliability comes from weakened magazine springs over time. The toggle lock mechanism cycles extremely fast and requires a very strong magazine spring to ensure the next round is pushed up fast enough to get picked up. I use aftermarket Mec-Gar mags in my WWI P-08 and it runs 100%.
+Nutz4Gunz45 Yes, the magazine is a crucial part of this system. The P08 magazine spring is very strong due to the need for the next round to be inline for the bolt during the very fast cycling process of the toggle link action. Spot on. ~Karl
Seeing as how it was usually the ENTIRE soldier in mud, yeah, I'm pretty sure it was all in the magazine.
I always thought the bad reputation came from unintentional discharges, mainly GIs dropping captured souvenirs and shooting themselves in the leg, if they were lucky.
Finally! Someone tells the truth about the luger. The luger was replaced by the P38 for one reason, and one reason only....COST!!!
Also being outdated and being far cheaper to manufacture. Less parts too.
@@devinpetersen2387 cheaper to manufacture is what cost is! It wasn't outdated at all. That's a pure myth. The luger actually has less parts than the P38. That's another myth. It was replaced due to cost only!!!
P38 vs P08...
Only use the P38 for reenactment purposes, but if you had a choice depending on certain battles...
P08, WHEN WAS THERE A CHOICE?
@@staringgasmask I believe the best way to describe old guns is obsolescent, they still do exactly what they were designed to do but fall behind when compared to new guns
@@devinpetersen2387 it wasn’t really outdated at all! , the 1911 was still in service by that time, the brits still had there webley revolvers, it was due to the price.
I love that the Luger totally beat the Glock on this test...
Came from the Glock video lol
Glocks are good, but, over-rated.
Yeah but there's less mud on the Luger, I came from the glock video because I wanted to see how the Luger was able to pass and it's purely because it had less mud on it to begin with
@@weasle2904 Same with the 1911, the Glock and the 1911 both had a lot more mud.
@@phillipchapman9517
a lot of a mud, a little mud. it doesn't make that much difference. it's still a shitload of mud either way. way more than you'd ever normally get. and the P08 won.
The obvious thing to do now is mud test an 'ultra-reliable revolver'.....
Do a bunch of WW1 revolvers and see how they shape up. Webley, Bodeo, Nagant (Russian and Belgian) , S&W, Colt, Gasser, Reichsrevolver :-)
+mannys9130
Have you seen TFB TV's testing of the Nagant revolver?
mud would enter each of the cylinders. Instant obstructions.
Fine, just do not forget to:
- add WW1 quality ammo
- let the mud to get inside the barrel
- drop the gun to the mud with opened breach and/or without magazine
Test, how difficult and how long it takes to get gun back to fully functional
Add long term effects - when dust and particles accumulate inside even in trace-like amount. Or they mix into the oil/grease. You get little rust at wrong not very accessible place.
My bet - flush and shake the revolver in water and it is pretty likely to go. P.08? I am not so sure.
I am not surprised that Luger worked in this test. My guess - even revolver could easily work with little luck, but you would IMHO want to check the barrel to be clean after every shot.
Ask any soldier, how often he fills the barrel and the breach of his gun with mud.
Thats why I love this channel. Mythbusters of guns.
Mythgunners
Its extremely tight-fitting and compact design + the fact that the toggle lock "yeets" away a lot of the mud is why this design works so well in muddy conditions.
The "unreliable Luger" myth was a result of lightly loaded American commercial ammo. Due to the fact the Italian Gliseti used a round dimensionally identical to 9mm parabellum, 9mm ammunition was severely underloaded for many years. The old Fraulein likes it hot.
I want a luger now. I need a luger right now.
Imagine not already wanting a luger
Do you want it in 9mm, .45, or 10mm?
Everybody needs a luger! HAAAAAAAANS!!!!!!!!
My grandfather has one and he will pass it on to me.
Die Luger schaut schon gut aus
Kaiser Wilhelm II is rubbing his hands, smiling.
When this video was published my grandpa smiled in his grave
This does put a smile on my face.
@@kaiserwilhelmii3597 Ich wünsche Ihrer Kaiserlichen Majestät nur das Beste zum Weihnachsfeste, viel Gesundheit und Glück! Ein dreifaches: Hipphipp - Hurra! Hipphipp - Hurra! Hipphipp - Hurra!
8 years later and the results are still fascinating and not what I expected. Thanks for sacrificing your nice WW1 luger to the cause.
7:40 German Soldier thanking his Luger for firing correctly (Colorized; circa 1918)
Your observations about state of the gun vs original specification is really interesting. Plenty of those programs that you see on various cable channels comparing guns I bet don't take that into account.
and this is why i love InRange TV
Gentlemen I would like to personally thank you for the content that you put out. I do not know if this was one of your personal guns but I would imagine that it is. That is going above and beyond what is expected of a youtube channel. I don't know many other channels that would do this with their personal Luger. So I think that I can speak for all of us (your subscribers) when I say that this channel and Forgotten Weapons is quite literally the best gun/ gun information channels on UA-cam. Thank you Ian and Karl for doing all the awesome stuff that you all do!
Wow! That was one hell of an impressive showing of a fine handgun!
Great video guys ! I just watched C & Rsenal's Luger video , what a great compliment. The Luger was a revolutionary gun. You've shown why it served so long. It's biggest problem was lot's of machining = lot's of $$$$!
... about double the costs of a P 38 ...
I once read in a magazine article about the Luger and why the German Military wanted to replace it during World War 2. Just as Karl said it was expensive to build, as in it had cost about the same as building 4 Mauser KAR98k rifles at the time of the War.
I won't lie. I cringed when I saw that Luger dropped in the mud. 😉
+Girls Like Guns, Too (Jennifer Young) Same, if I dropped my Lugers in the mud, I'd probably have a panic attack.
I shoot a broomhandle Mauser for many years now. As it is the same vintage as the 08, we can savely assume they were designed for mostly the same ammo variant.
That is: More pointed, heavy bullet and powerful, but not too fast propellant.
The C96 does well with 124gr S&B and Magtech, kicks unfriendly with subsonic ammo where velocity is just brought down by bullet weight, still groups good, but with hot 115gr and below ammo she puts the bullets all over the target.
She likes true subsonic stuff like Remington, just has feed issues with their truncated cones.
But with vintage WWII 08 ammo, she´s a charm! She cycles softly, but you still notice the oomph of the ammo.
The ammo may be exactly tuned for the 4" barrel of the 08 and the barrel moving back straight. This ammo did not have to perfectly work in subcompacts (get the bullet as fast as possibly as soon as possible) or guns with tilting barrels (get the bullet away before the breech tilts down).
Just accelerate a heavier bullet over 4" in a pretty linear fashion.
Ok, mud issues:
The 08 is made to really tight tolerances, so there´s no way for dirt to enter. Dirty water maybe, but not much more.
I totally get Karl's cry at the end. If I ever started a gun collection, the Luger would at the very top of my list of guns to buy. Right alongside a WW1-style 1911 and a Walther PPK.
beautiful German engineering.
Georg Johann Luger war aber Österreicher!
@@romanpermesser2926 Österreich is die billige Kopie Deutschlands 🤣
Lusor Jango Fett HFH
Deutschland steht aber schlechter dar 😅 allein das die meisten denken, dass Deutschland die Schuld für den 2. Weltkrieg hatten 🤔
@@fluffybunny4891 ähm, dem ist so?
Timon
Stimmt, aber ein Österreicher war dafür verantwortlich
I just went "wooooaaaaahhhh!" when I saw this in the "subscriptions". Awesome video guys!
the p08 is my absolute favorite when it comes to look and design really nice video
i never thought the gun is reliable cause all this people saying its not now i love it even more^^
Luger P08 9mm Parabellum is the best pistol ever made. I love it.
Oh my, I was wrong about the P08 all along ! I love the channel there's some serious mythbusting here !
Thing is, with Browning type weapons with internal locking lugs and recesses, even if the locking area is the ejection port, anything inside those recesses will stop the slide going into battery. The lock on the luger is an external toggle, which rotates, tending to fling mud off, and mud and grit does not stop that rotation.
So glad you did not throw the Luger down the way you have other guns after the mud test. Thank you
Who would have guessed that the most reliable weapons in the mud would be the "unreliable" Luger and the AR-15, beating Glocks and AK's
-"I'm gonna mud test this luger."
Luger: "Nope, I'M GONNA MUD TEST YOU"
My 1914 P.08 is the BEAST. It is fully sealed, sleak, tight, fires perfectly, always looked mud-ready. I never had any doubt. Thanks for the proof.
P.S. My fully original Luger fires 124 grain bullets perfectly. That's the historic bullet. NATO is fine, 147 gr. is fine too. Modern wussy 115 grain bullets seem to be too light and will sometimes fail to eject.
Use 124 gr. FMJ in your WWI Luger.
My 1938 Mauser model absolutely LOVES Fiocci 9AP, accuracy and function.
Nothing else even comes close - and I tried ALOT of other loads before them.
Worth a try if you're having function issues - as I was.
I cringed a bit when you dropped it in the mud, but this was interesting
3:34 Notice that the toggle did not go all the way down. So, firing the next shot from that position may actually help open a gritty action. Luck, or clever design?
Mag springs are also really critical in these things. A bad mag spring will make a luger totally unreliable. I overhauled all the gun mounted springs in mine but did not get reliability until I replaced the mag spring. Now it works well with "most" ammo, but like yours it can be a bit picky with the lower end ammo. Thanks for the vid. Still a really great gun!
1:22 - SUFFER, PAIN, HURT, SORROW
What a fantastic pistol, Was awesome to see it pass that test
External vs internal locking surfaces. The toggle lock acts to self clean. The internal Browning type locking surfaces are very obviously vulnerable to grit getting between barrel and slider, stopping them locking and going into battery.
Excellent video, have collected both P08 and P38-and unlike many collectors have shot the hell out of both, prefer the P08 over the P38, it is a superior, but more expensive design-good work at dispelling a bad myth
Another enjoyable segment, you two.
And this dovetails neatly with C&Rsenal's latest post: an in depth history of the P08.
I had heard and believed that myth. Thanks for the education.
Wow, that is incredible! I was a 100% sure it'd fail miserably in a mud test...
Proof at last that your metal detection find in the peat bogs of eastern Europe may still shoot with just a little CLP....
i cried so hard as you dropped it in the mud. but it was b.e.a.u.t.i.f.u.l though to see it function and see a real life bf1 or ww1 scene and question get solved
GREAT VIDEO AS ALWAYS GUYS. HOWEVER MY HEART IS BLEEDING WHEN SUCH TRASURES ARE MISTREATED.
Stellar slow-mo mud slinger action. Great work
And people wonder why I love my P-08.
I always assumed the German solution was to the P08's reliability problems was to issue a holster with the P08 that sealed it away from the world. The P08 sits so deep in its holster that a pull tab is required to yank it up slightly so you can actually have purchase on the grip and then draw.
Can we also get a sand test? ;)
I have a INTERESTING LUGER that I picked up at a gun show. It's part WWI and part WWII (DWM toggle & 1940 on the barrel extension).The frame is marked on the trigger guard with the Simpson marking. The barrel was appeared NEW, it was ARSENAL MARKED.😁. The mag was AFTERMARKET CRAP and turned out to have the WRONG SPRINGS in it.( KNOW I've had 3 of them before). It had NO SERIAL NUMBER in the usual places. There were NO PROOFING MARKS either. I think it was put together after the was by a American soldier from parts what he could find at the armory. I replaced the springs with WOLFF SPRINGS and MEC-GAR mag, WORKS LIKE A CHAMP.😁. I paid $500 for it and spent $50 on parts, I'm VERY HAPPY.😁😎
I started a second job to feed my gun addiction...am I ashamed? No. lol
Reliable, chambered in a common caliber, and an iconic design. I have to imagine the only reason this is not commercially viable is due to patents.
It’s an 1890ies patent, no longer valid.
Cost of production, it's not that it can't be produced the problem is that most folks won't pay the high price of a Luger.
Really cool video. That kind of performance in mud is good for any modern gun... let alone a 100 year old Luger.
That 3:05 scene is like straight out of a movie, the colours, the angle, the slow mo
That poor ear plug...
Ear Plug RIP - 2016. ~Karl
Thank you for a good demonstration, I hope you gave it a great clean after.
These two have Mythbusters energy.
i'm just gonna say it.
the luger and C96 are THE two sexiest handguns ever.
Well done and well said gentlemen! it is interesting to see the "reliabilyu thing seen as a real issue by many when its really parts wearing out and simply getting old with craftsman guns (especially with german made guns) i find that for age the swiss guns tend to have more interchangeable parts due to more precice large scale manufacturing but even with those fitted parts are still common and those springs need to be well treated to keep the guns going.
ok...so now you've started it. p38? laihti? tokarev? 1911? ...heaven forbid...webley? I hear a rap song in my heard...dunk it in the mud, dunk it dunk it in the mud
Very educational for this military historian. Thank you for your sacrifice!
It seems to me that if you were crawling along a river bank with your Luger in your holster fully submerged in muddy water for an hour, I think the sludge would have worked into the toggle action a little bit more than your quite courageous test has shown. That said it may be that the venerable 1911 would fail as well. The luger and the 1911 are the most iconic and coveted guns in my book. I have only held a luger when I was about 8 years old. I was always fascinated with it. The Germans definitely have the Tech stuff down. Still I have carried my 1911 as a CCW. I think because of the speed of clearing the safety I would not have a Luger as a CCW. I sure would love to have one though. Thanks for the courageous video.
these guys know everything about guns.. impressive.
As much as it makes me want to cry seeing a piece of history subjected to this, there wasn't REMOTELY as much mud on the luger as there was on the glock & others
Luger Perfection
im not saying its not reliable, but the rumors i heard were about the quality of the ammo, id be curious to see that tested, but my prediction is that youd have to have some reeeealy bad ammo to get it to not work lol
I'd love to see a test using a variety of current commercial ammo including Hollow Points. Thanks for all the great videos.
The ammo sensitivity of the Luger became a problem in WW2. After the introduction of the "Pistolenpatrone 08 mit Eisenkern" (Pistol cartridge 08 with iron core) and the "Pistolenpatrone 08 SE" (SE= Sintereisen = sintered iron), both steel cased, there was an order to safe the old brass ammunition for the Luger pistols. But as you said, this is nothing to blame the gun for.
Greetings from Germany.
Im surprised that this wasnt requested more. I would have thought that this would have been on the top of the list. My lugers are very reliable they have really strong springs in them. It keeps that crap out of it really well as well. Both of my lugers will fire anything. I have never had a problem unless i caused it.
I have a cap gun replica with a few inaccuracies but it’s fun to see a real ones working
Thanks for making this video guys, now I can use my Luger in Fallout 4 with much more confidence.
But seriously, I saw a video once (it was an SS documentation I believe) where a guy said that because of the 'dirt issue'
the holster for the Luger was changed to fit more tightly and therefor to prevent dirt from getting in.
After watching your video, I wonder if that was the real reason or if it was true at all...
Greetings from Germany.
The ultimate survival handgun
My right ear thoroughly enjoyed this video.
I assume you guys realize Karl fired the first round through the "ear plug" he put in the muzzle? Good demo, well done as always.
+cartjj Yes, that was intentional and safe to do. ~Karl
LOL In the end Karl went off like it was "deflowered"!
That first slow mo shot is just insanely cool.
That hurts my soul. But awesome that the Luger did so well.
Good job guys! It's good to see you putting myth into test. Know we know the myth may be just that!
Love the end. It was like ARRRRH why are you still working so perfect!!!!!?
I was legitimately surprised by this one. ~Karl
I always tell people, most historians do not know what they're talking about. They often play off of rumor, myth and gossip, throw in some propaganda promoted by political/military factions of the time and post war, and then throw in just pure lazy research, and you get an environment were there are literally mountains of inaccuracies about even simple things like this. But then again, they have to work with what they can get I guess.
Man, I wanna see what a modernization of this sexy toggle action pistol would look like.
We're living in a golden age of UA-cam gun videos boys! Wooden ships and iron men!
Nice tan and water camo smock and blue grey m43 field cap!
Grate video Would like to see a Revolver
+grim Hear hear!
it killed me a little inside to see you drop that in the mud but this was very interesting.
So who else is amused that the supposedly unreliable Luger is one of a tiny number of the guns tested this way by InRangeTV to not have any issues at all with the mud while the "reliable" guns like the Colt 1911a1 or even the AK47 all have problems out the wazoo? On the other hand, this pistol cost three times as much to make as Mauser rifle.
Very nice, great talk about the Luger gents, and Ian, love the shirt!
That would completely explain the one change the Germans did do with the Luger, the redesign of the holster to do a better job to keep the mud out, just to keep required cleaning down!
You can't beat that slow mo
Oh man I would kill for a P08, the Luger is my favourite German Handgun of all time!!
Awesome slo-mo shots guys!
ive wanted one of these for so long ! wish they reproduced them like the ppk
American school of thought: Make the tolerances so loose mud and dirt fall out.
German school of thought: Make the tolerances so tight mud and dirt can't get in.
Nice T-shirt Ian!
Keep in mind, armies using the P08 used them for 4 years, which is long enough to do some serious wear on springs and magazines and such. As long as you maintain it though, chances are it will be reliable as any modern gun.
annnnnd now I have to clean my museum peice. lol great videos guys. excellent infotainment!
I've found that my 1936 S/42 Luger prefers it's ammunition loaded with powders such as Alliant Green Dot and Red Dot, although it will also work with a lot of commercial 9mm ammunition as well.
"...overheauled all the springs and things..." I love how that sounded.
It's more reliable than many AKs on youtube that fail with similar mud tests.
Once again, tight tolerances win over lose ones.
That toggle link action is also so fast, I doubt mud and stuff can get into it under firing.
I'd really like to see the Colt 1911 mud tested, just to see if it really is the reliable and unbreakable beast that people claim it is.
+Cameron Jenkins www.full30.com/video/d0bacb8b0c464870cceddcba532bf2b4
the luger won haha