This is truly the only real “accurate” diet tests for these firearms. I’m Afghanistan we had nothing but fine powder convoy dust and it’s awful. It rifles pass this test.... then it’s a damn good thing
The best non combat test the US Army has is the NIC crawl at Army basic. You drag through sand and it gets all over and inside the weapon, and they generally have us clean it majorly so afterwards or risk of malfunction. Had people that did not clean have no issues and others that did.
This same AK will turn into a bolt action in the mud test and the AR had no malfunctions in that test ran like it was clean. The HK556 which may replace the m4, failed the mud test worse than the AKM. Piston blocks the gas flow to clean out the BCG like eugene intended The HK556 does far better than the ar system in dust according to testing by our military, but is it worth throwing away the ability to fight in a muddy trench? The hk 556 turned into a paper weight in the mud test Hopefully all future wars are only fought in dry environments which the hk556 was designed to do better in and may be our next service rifle idk
Testing them oiled would be accurate Idk anyone who runs a rifle dry. Especially ar15s. Especially if you kicked dirt into it like they did to the slr magwell
This is probably my favorite video on this channel. I come back to it from time to time. I really miss the SLR series rifles from Arsenal. They were discontinued for some reason and you can't get them new anymore. You basically have to find them used now like some kind of over priced rare pokemon.
Not exactly the same test, but they tested the AR vs two other rifles where they blasted sand directly into the opened ejection port while it was firing and it still continued to run perfectly. I'm expecting the same result with this test.
I think what these tests do, alongside the mud tests, is serve to destroy the notion that theres a singular quality of "reliable". Different systems are resilient against different stresses, and any assessment of the quality or usefulness of a system has to account for which of those stresses the system can expect to encounter in actual use.
I agree totes. that being said if you have ever had to clear a mud jam in an AR vs AK, the AK is WAAAAY easier to clear the jam. Also no soldier in there right mind would leave mud (or whatever other debris) on the gun like that.
I used to run a huge beadblasting machine in a casting plant, and the ceramic dust that came out and was collected in a bin was so fine that if you picked it up with a shovel it would pour off the end like water. They made us wear masks whenever we emptied the bin but it was pretty much everywhere. I imagine it played a large part in most of the reliability issues the machines tended to exhibit.
That rig of Karl's might have an oil bath filter in which case all he need do is regularily clean out the old oil and put in fresh (oil bath oil, not crank oil) and there would be no issues. When Mount St. Helens blee and Boise Idaho got covered by the downwind volcanic Ash cloud they destroyed all the engines in their public works vehicles that they ran around the clock during the emergency (lots of traffic accidents due to bad visibility in the ash cloud, and many people with medical respretary problems) EXCEPT some of the older trucks the city had in their fleet that had old oil bath air filter systems. They continued working just fine with just changing out the oil in the filter bath and within 48-hrs those were the only city vehicles still running !!! So when the proverbial turd hits the proverbial fan or in moon dust desert conditions you want to have an oil bath filter system and I think Karl's vehicle has one if I remember correctly.
Having dealt with this a lot in outback Australia, its not as bad as you'd think. Not only are air intake locations chosen to reduce dust, but airbox designs are pretty good at dropping most larger particles before they hit the elements (and despite how fine this seems, its large vs the normally filtered dust in air). Finally you can remove the filters and blow them down with air (careful not to put a hole in it with close nozzles and high pressure) or even just tap them on the bumper bar to shed most of the dust. If your doing a LOT of it, getting a snorkel with cyclonic pre-cleaner will drop most of the dust every time you turn the engine off, and K&N and others sell filters you clean, oil and reuse for most makes and models, although with those if your car has a hot wire intake air sensor, I'd advise swapping it out for another style, or else at minimum removing it and spraying with a cleaner a couple of times after you re-oil the aircleaner.
These are the sort of conditions the AK has earned its reputation for reliability under. The mud test is pretty extreme (but even then, it goes to show that the rifle is still easy to strip down and clean with just a bit of water and a rag), but this super fine dust test perfectly simulates the sort of conditions AKs have been so successfully employed in for decades.
Well that's gonna be difficult, I'm barely able to get to the fridge right now, never mind trying to actually kill someone, forget it, you're gonna have to get another stoner, I'm too high for this bullshit.
I could watch you guys do this kind of stuff all day! I can't give much on Patreon but I'm happy to add what little I can because you guys are awesome.
I will predict that the AR will easily pass the convoy test both buttoned up and not, but will fail the angry baseball coach test harder than the AK also being harder to remedy once it does.
The AR did surprisingly well with the bully circle test, *especially* since they had the bolt locked open the grit was getting kicked right into the open action
Based on nothing, I'm guessing over-lubbing in those conditions might actually be counterproductive. My guess is that you'd end up with moon dust sludge.
@@damstachizz I've been out for a while now but we used to wrap old shirts around the receiver. If you have a loose upper and lower I've seen guys use electrical tape as a makeshift gasket between them. I'm not sure if it helps or not.
Something I noticed with AR=type rifles is that in dusty environments lube can mix in with the dust to create a muddy substance and when it gets into parts like the safety detent spring it can bind up and make it extremely difficult if not impossible to manipulate your safety. Though doesn't happen immediately; I've only seen it happen on rifles with a few months in desert environments. But small parts like that aren't going to be cleaned by soldiers/Marines because they're not authorized to break the weapon down that far, which is one of the strengths of the AK. There aren't really any small parts you have to worry about during field stripping, or tiny springs binding up or breaking due to corrosion/dust. Really the smallest spring on the AK is for the muzzle device detent, and that's not even really necessary for primary function. As opposed to the AR which has the aforementioned safety detent spring, front/rear takedown pin detent springs (Which I have seen Marines lose before), etc.
Love how ian is always looking like a legionnaire, must of been one in a past life in the trenches of france during the great war. Honeur et fidelite!!
Side note it's so entertaining and pleasing to watch two professionals who love to do what they do and are having fun doing it. You can tell Karl and Ian are having a blast with this and I couldn't be a happier viewer.
You guys really are doing the gun a favor getting all the oil out.....Nothing like oil based mud clogging up the innards. Always a good day when Inrange posts a new video :)
Man. wow. Valid test, guys. I hated convoy dust. 27 yrs later I still, to this day, find myself watching for wind direction and dust swirls at outdoor events, lol.
Kudos to inrangeTV, I think this is one of the best reliability tests yet. literally shoveling piles of mud into an open weapon action versus a closed weapon action was a rather silly exercise in demonstrating the inevitable. This test on the other-hand realistically demonstrates conditions very frequently faced by soldiers ,i'd even wager being faced right now as we speak and the AK really lived up to its name. It took basically pouring dust into its internal mechanism and magazines to make it stop (which as far as I know isn't a frequently faced condition in real life) and even then it probably couldve been gotten running half way reliably without any disassembly or significant maintenance. You can really see the appeal the weapon must have to militas, gangs, civilians and terrorists who often have total neglect for proper weapon maintenance, its the gun worlds equivalent of that old TV that always gets running again with just a few whacks.
azgarogly sorta, the fronts are different and so are the rears. The fenders are different as well. But for the idea is the same. The Kurierwagen (Thing) was to be the spiritual successor to the Kubelwagen.
Type 181, AKA Thing/Treker/Safari. Jake Raby, a VW engine builder and antique car importer of Cleveland, Georgia imported a May 1944 Kübelwagen that was delivered to the Waffen SS days before D-Day. I think he might have it for sale. I had a pretty good discussion with him at the May 2018 Circle-yer-Wagens show in Tennessee. facebook.com/46222961055/posts/jakes-1944-kubelwagen-being-towed-by-his-vw-lt40-4x4-firetruck-uber-vw-cool/10155309282936056/
I was a gunner on a humvee in Iraq Dec 2004- Feb 2006. Escorted convoys and did MSR patrols. Your moondust is very comparable to the real deal. To the best of my ability, I ran my weapons as dry as possible. Random convoy dust experience with various weapons. Your mileage may vary...... Mk19: got updated spring kits in maybe Jan 05. Had no problems and it ran like a beast. LSA-T liberally on the tracks that the bolt rides in and contact surfaces. Nowhere else. Old brown t-shirt rag taught over the top of ammo can to keep the dust out. M249 para: champ. Mostly dry but little dab’l do ya on bolt track and the little feeding pawls in the top cover. Either mili-tec or lsa-t M9: would get cruddy even in an old bianchi flap that I brought myself. Worked but needed constant attention. Militec on contact surfaces on frame only. Didn’t use it much besides shooting a few tail lights so wasn’t put to the test as much as others. No fancy mags, just rotated them out every month or so and they did ok. Mossberg 500: (not 590) would also get cruddy. But it stayed in the hatch exposed. Did okay but tube gommed up a couple times requiring complete stripdown. M2: slathered in CLP until the crud ran out. You’d know somebody had been rockin’ the 50 cause their face and vest would be covered in black splotches from the Lube. Myself and some older guys were good at tuning (HS/timing) them so that helped. My buddies with m4’s ran as dry as they could also militec in little dab’l do ya ammounts and did fine. Never heard of issues with the 203’s Never got to shoot the AT-4 but I’m betting it was fine ;) Like I said your mileage might vary or been varied back in the day. We sampled the dust from scania to speicher along msr tampa and most dust between and that’s just like, my opinion, man.
Running the AK dry is good idea exactly for this reason. Also something simmilar applies to the AR. As we know in the AR the gases get into the action. What are those gases made from? Mostly carbon. What is carbon? A dry lubricant. Therefore AR is kinda self lubricating system.
And this... _THIS_ ...is why you do PCI's and make sure your Joes didn't bukake their service weapons in assloads of CLP or unauthorized lubes before going out on mission. Thank you guys, this is the most real world relevant test in my experience. Foot patrols, using your rifle from the turret to do overpass drills, just walking to the DFAC, training at NTC. Sand isn't our normal desert warfare environment, moon dust is. Well done.
I've talked to several service members over the years who habitually used tape (electrical or duct) to seal up the muzzle from dust or debrison their rifles, pistols and shotguns. Not sure that would make a difference but in case someone questioned that aspect of the test.
@@damstachizz I actually had an incident with moon dust sneaking through the gap between the upper and lower receiver with the bore ear plugged and dust cover closed,mag in. I had to pop the rear takedown pin and dump the sand out after the trigger failed to reset after the first shot. Only malfunction I ever had on my m4a1
Here's an idea, make some elaborate gun rack on the front of your car and have like 5 -10 guns all super chilling in the front of the car, and have all the guns get a relaxing dirt wash. Love this new series, hope this idea allows you guys to make more convoy dirt videos!!!!!
Great new series! I'll be sure to catch most if not all of these tests. While it's not such a problem with more modern firearms, please try to visually confirm that you don't have bore obstructions in the future whether on camera or not. The ziplock bag is a good safeguard, but it only handles one point of entry. Some designs on other firearms could allow sand to travel to the barrel via the dust cover or ejection port and build up inside. With the way you described Arizona mud/sand, there is a slight chance of danger to you guys and I don't want to see either of you hurt or injured because of these videos. Stay safe and keep making great content.
I read interview with russian spetsnaz unit: during siege of Grozny in january of 1995, they recieved new ak-74m's and used it mainly in automatic mode. After 3 days of battle, paint falls off the barrel due to the heat, but guns runs without stopages. I don't know if ar could do the same. Sorry for the mistakes, english is not my language.
After watching Ian gingerly handle the antiques & collectors firearms so many times, I got a genuinely child-like chuckle seeing you guys just trash the AK, that kept me smiling for the day. Thanx for doing what you guys do, esp. in the current socio/political climate. Keep up the great work!
Kalashnikov sure hit a home run with the Ak. Reliable in pretty much all situations, can be fixed even when it’s been tortured, and it’s been haunting American troops since 1947. Truly that man was a gun making legend.
I live in Wyoming, we too have lots of moondust. Stuff gets everywhere. I think this one missed the boat because the gun was NOT lubed because moondust falls off everything unless there is any type of moisture or static charge. And any military weapon in use will have some lube on the bolt / carrier / piston etc. Lube would be a Moondust Magnet and , I believe, made this test much more realistic. Otherwise, cool seeing someone else having to deal with moondust as well as a great vid.
Given that the Israelis adopted an AK derivative specifically because their previous guns had issues with dust and sand, i expect a lot from this(haven't watched yet)
The ACE was never used by the Israeli military. He’s speaking of the old Galil, which is the direct copy of a Valmet - which is a copy/improvement of an AK.
I would be really interested in seeing it done with lubrication. I think I understand why you chose dry as a control, but wouldn't the lubricant trap dust and turn it into mud rather quickly?
Im currently in training of my reserve unit in the IDF in the israeli desert, and it looks exactly the same, including the dust. Except here it was grounded alot more by tanks, spgs, apcs etc. Thankfully, it was lighly raining lately so the dust is not that bad, but being here in the summer really sucks. The dust is getting everywhere and it takes a few showers to get rid of it. Just seeing you (karl) with the face mask and goggles made the whole situation very familiar, while I live half a globe away.
I almost caught when you tried cambering a round in the rifle and all that dust came off. Reflex from my own experience down range. I'll never forget that moondust.
The AK certainly didn't disappoint. Karl looking like he's in Road Warrior. I imagine there are places where it's illegal to get that dusted. What's not to love. Thanks Guys.
@@docpossum2460 The G3 offers a more reliable platform in sand and dirt. It's easier to clean in the field, and it's a more ergonomic platform. The M14 is a markan's rifle -- the G3 is a battle rifle.
I imagine that this will stop a roller delayed action unlike the mud test. I would love to see a manufacturer develop a rifle that corrects the faults your torture tests reveal. As always a quality piece of content.
I don't know of Ian could take it.... he loves it so much xD That being said, it be very interesting and I hope he has the will to do it. I'd predict it perform similarly to the cetmeL
Back when our Company was in Lithuania, the boys fully dried up our MGs, cuz the dust there was also quite *moony*. At the beginning we the MGs were maintained as usual with good amounts lube everywhere (the more the better we always say), but the lube actually binded with dust and caused major stoppages. With the guns being fully dried, you of course did have jams, but those were usually cleared by racking the charging handle.
The AK actually passed the convey test with flying colors. It was only when they pushed it beyond the test that problems started. With the AR I don't think having the dust cover open would be enough of a comparable test. You would have to have the bolt open to admit as much dust. Granted that's not how the rifle is designed to be transported (like not at all) so I wouldn't recommend it. It will be interesting to see how the AR does when it has dust kicked up the mag well and into the action.
@@blairbuskirk5460 That is a distinct possibility. If that happens I hope it's enough to put to bed the nonsense about the AR being a self cleaning rifle. That canard is based on the direct impingement system providing a "puff of air" (as one deluded youtube rando put it) that is meant to blow crud out after each shot. I wish I were making that up.
Unironically drives a civilian version of the Kübelwagen... you guys are full of surprises. Awesome car, looks even more "German" with that spare tire on the hood. Btw, cheeki breeki proper russian AK better than AR, blyat. Bulgarians dont make proper AK, comrade. Every babushka in russia knows, only russian AK works like AK. Russia AK you dont even need to smack its battery. It works just!
I ride a KLR off-road in Arizona. At the mention of "moon dust", my sphincter instinctively clenched. Nothing makes you go from "haha this is the best riding day ever" to "at least these cholla cactus broke my fall" faster than moon dust.
Here, in the South Jersey Pines, we have a very similar sort of fine sand, and, dust, especially in the summer, so, this is of special interest to me. I've gotten home from trail riding, and, cleaned what seemed like a cubic yard of sand out of my Ural's air cleaner.
Arsenal bulgaria does not make stamped guns, only milled AKs, so i never understood where they get the parts for these Frankenstein Arsenal rifles that are assembled in the US.
Arsenal Bulgaria /used/ to make stamped guns, and this was one of them. They didn't sell as well on the export market as milled guns, so they've slowed / stopped production of stamped rifles. Their tooling was the leftovers from Bulgaria's time as a ComBloc producer of AKs by license. Specifically, the AK-74 / AKS-74 was produced in Bulgarian factories built by the Soviets, and they are a treasure for Afghanistan-era focused historians, as the Bulgarian AK-74 through all their ComBloc years is essentially a 1982-vintage Soviet AK-74 frozen in time. E.g., even after the Soviets switched to dimpling their barrel components in place in the late '80s, the Bulgarians persisted in populating their barrels with pins.
Very reliable rifle. Still worth it to do what ever you can , even in a bad environment, to keep it clean and to clean it whenever the tactical situation permits.
Good practice is to leave headlights on when driving in dust like that, makes you a lot easier to spot, especally when slowing down without braking. We call that moon dust "bulldust" here in Australia for the way cattle kick it up into an absolute cloud, there is plenty to drive for a couple of days and see nothing else. Rural towns have an area you stop in and wait for the dust to clear before continuing onto the sealed streets (even if just passing though), else you can tow it for many hundred meters and just completely cover the local homes and businesses.
Fun video! (to watch...) As with mud, there's dust and there's dust... The infamous parkerized Checkmate M9 magazines did fine in 'standard' American sand, but choked on the Mid-East talcum-like 'moon dust'. Also, try strapping the guns to the REAR bumper--that's where the heavy dust will be. As it swirls up behind the car, that dust will settle all over (and even pile up) on the subject guns. You can also run the test in air-conditioned comfort--and cleanliness...
Anyone who rides in the back of a 7 ton will find that this will clog up a rifle as quick as any mud. We would always tape a rag or tee shirt in the mag well to help keep the dust out and keep mgs dry with a spray bottle of clp or lsa with them so if we needed them we could pour some on quickly.
Would be nice to test a AK-74M: In 1991 the Izhmash factory in the city of Izhevsk began full-scale production of a modernized variant of the AK-74-the AK-74M (M-Russian: Модернизированный; Modernizirovanniy or "modernized") assault rifle that offers more versatility compared with its predecessor. Apart from several minor improvements, such as a lightened bolt and carrier assembly to reduce the impulse of the gas piston and bolt carrier during firing, the rifle features a new glass-filled polyamide stock that retains the shape of the original AK-74 fixed laminated wood stock, but side-folds to the left like the skeletonized AKS-74 buttstock. As a result, pistol grip reinforcement plates that were once exclusively used on the folding stock variants are standard on all AK-74Ms. Additionally the AK-74M features an improved muzzle device with extended collar and threads to reduce play and a machine cut beneath to allow easier cleaning rod removal, a reinforced smooth dust cover and a redesigned guide rod return spring retainer that allows firing the GP-25, GP-30 and GP-34 underslung grenade launchers without having to use the previously necessary additional receiver cover fastener. To reduce production costs, barrel hardware, such as the front sight base and gas block, are dimple pressed on to the barrel instead of pinned on (commercial semi-auto variants are still pinned on to maintain user serviceability). Other economic changes include omission of lightening cuts on the front sight block and gas piston as well as a stamped gas tube release lever, replacing the milled one. The bullet guide and bolt guide were also separated, with the bolt guide becoming a simple bump held in place on the left side of the receiver with an additional rivet (it's often called a "bump rivet" because of this) making it easier to replace in case of wear. Each AK-74M is fitted with a side-rail bracket for mounting optics that is a simplified version of the 74N mount with less machining cuts. The AK-74M would have been adopted by the Soviet Union as the standard service rifle, and has been accepted as the new service rifle of the Russian Federation.
No. It's too dangerous. Mud will get into the cylinder gap, which will cause bore obstructions and could result in exploded guns. As Ian and Karl have said many times, there is no point in doing something they absolutely know will cause a failure.
I am Very, Very excited about this series, and will be watching closely. I hope you guys do a whole slew of weapons, including bolt action, semi and full auto rifles and and guns, maybe some damn lever actions and black powder firearms, because why the hell not. I'm excited about this.
Shouldn't the SpongeBob tape only be used on underwater tests?
It's applicable anytime and anywhere Sweet Victory is required
now that's posting
Its a reference to Jello Glock guy.
It is actually a easter egg for Mattv2099.
If Arizona sandstorms are something you wish... InRangeTV!
This is truly the only real “accurate” diet tests for these firearms. I’m Afghanistan we had nothing but fine powder convoy dust and it’s awful. It rifles pass this test.... then it’s a damn good thing
The best non combat test the US Army has is the NIC crawl at Army basic. You drag through sand and it gets all over and inside the weapon, and they generally have us clean it majorly so afterwards or risk of malfunction. Had people that did not clean have no issues and others that did.
@@TheDiameter you’ve been drinking too much of that AK coolaid.
This same AK will turn into a bolt action in the mud test and the AR had no malfunctions in that test ran like it was clean.
The HK556 which may replace the m4, failed the mud test worse than the AKM. Piston blocks the gas flow to clean out the BCG like eugene intended
The HK556 does far better than the ar system in dust according to testing by our military, but is it worth throwing away the ability to fight in a muddy trench? The hk 556 turned into a paper weight in the mud test
Hopefully all future wars are only fought in dry environments which the hk556 was designed to do better in and may be our next service rifle idk
Testing them oiled would be accurate Idk anyone who runs a rifle dry. Especially ar15s. Especially if you kicked dirt into it like they did to the slr magwell
This is probably my favorite video on this channel. I come back to it from time to time. I really miss the SLR series rifles from Arsenal. They were discontinued for some reason and you can't get them new anymore. You basically have to find them used now like some kind of over priced rare pokemon.
The spongebob duct tape is a great touch
Or that firepower united video
I think Dougan started that
You guys are all heretics! Praise be Dugan!
Only real t-zone shooting operators use spongebob tape
@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS Or Dugan.
I love this series. I'm excited to see how the AR performs, and I would be interested in seeing how a FAL holds up
Ian Armstrong I second the notion for an FAL or G3 convoy test
@@SuperPwndProductions I'm not sure Ian will want to sacrifice his Spuhr
Not my 91.....
Hahaha
Not exactly the same test, but they tested the AR vs two other rifles where they blasted sand directly into the opened ejection port while it was firing and it still continued to run perfectly. I'm expecting the same result with this test.
FALs absolutely HATE dust. That's why the IDF went to the Galil. (From what I've read)
how to give an ak74 a desert camo:
1. cover in glue
2. cover in sand
3. let it dry
4.????
5. Profit
I think what these tests do, alongside the mud tests, is serve to destroy the notion that theres a singular quality of "reliable". Different systems are resilient against different stresses, and any assessment of the quality or usefulness of a system has to account for which of those stresses the system can expect to encounter in actual use.
Max-Fightmaster by far the most sensible comment right here. Good work bro
Absolutely.
It's a shame that the lesson has to be learned by so many.
I agree totes. that being said if you have ever had to clear a mud jam in an AR vs AK, the AK is WAAAAY easier to clear the jam. Also no soldier in there right mind would leave mud (or whatever other debris) on the gun like that.
I think the army one mud test: dropped the rifle in the dirt, got it in the neck from the officer
@@TheDiameter
That's because the AR-15 is a closed system.
Anyone else think that AK looks awesome while it is stained with that moonsand? :D
AK looks awesome all the time under any conditions, what are you talking about :D
A less fancy option for a desert camo look.
Looks badass!
It looks like it was buried after the Soviet-Afghan war
loved seeing you blow on that AK like an NES cartridge
Old Russian cleaning technique.
Lol hhahha! Apparently it's a fix-all.
8:55 So it's true that it's impossible for a man to not say "That's not gonna go anywhere" when attaching something to his car with rope.
You ain't lying. Ever since I saw that meme I've had to consciously try and switch to "Cargo is secure".
I tend towards Pat McManus' "Every rope is six inches too short."
@@zed-xr4353 That's just a fancy way of saying, "That ain't goin' anywhere." 😂
I would assume most people are too stressed to cheerfully remark that, and instead choose to grunt quietly.
lol true indeed. it's the toxic-masculine way of saying "i totally secured that sh*t".
Great test guys I'm not surprised by the results especially with a dry gun
I used to run a huge beadblasting machine in a casting plant, and the ceramic dust that came out and was collected in a bin was so fine that if you picked it up with a shovel it would pour off the end like water. They made us wear masks whenever we emptied the bin but it was pretty much everywhere. I imagine it played a large part in most of the reliability issues the machines tended to exhibit.
I'd imagine that powder would act like sand paper, if there were moving parts it could get into
You guys must replace air filters like crazy.
I think the VW has an old school oil filter
That dust is fine enough that you can just run without the filter and get some free port and polishing headwork done
That rig of Karl's might have an oil bath filter in which case all he need do is regularily clean out the old oil and put in fresh (oil bath oil, not crank oil) and there would be no issues. When Mount St. Helens blee and Boise Idaho got covered by the downwind volcanic Ash cloud they destroyed all the engines in their public works vehicles that they ran around the clock during the emergency (lots of traffic accidents due to bad visibility in the ash cloud, and many people with medical respretary problems) EXCEPT some of the older trucks the city had in their fleet that had old oil bath air filter systems. They continued working just fine with just changing out the oil in the filter bath and within 48-hrs those were the only city vehicles still running !!! So when the proverbial turd hits the proverbial fan or in moon dust desert conditions you want to have an oil bath filter system and I think Karl's vehicle has one if I remember correctly.
Having dealt with this a lot in outback Australia, its not as bad as you'd think. Not only are air intake locations chosen to reduce dust, but airbox designs are pretty good at dropping most larger particles before they hit the elements (and despite how fine this seems, its large vs the normally filtered dust in air). Finally you can remove the filters and blow them down with air (careful not to put a hole in it with close nozzles and high pressure) or even just tap them on the bumper bar to shed most of the dust. If your doing a LOT of it, getting a snorkel with cyclonic pre-cleaner will drop most of the dust every time you turn the engine off, and K&N and others sell filters you clean, oil and reuse for most makes and models, although with those if your car has a hot wire intake air sensor, I'd advise swapping it out for another style, or else at minimum removing it and spraying with a cleaner a couple of times after you re-oil the aircleaner.
Yes, in Arizona you might get 3-4 months absolute max with an air filter. Alot less if you're off road much.
Note the extra tactical Spongebob tape.
SupaTheEvilMastermind Still better tribute than the 10 seconds of Sweet Victory(that turned into Sicko Mode) at the Super Bowl Half-Time show.
SupaTheEvilMastermind Mattv2099 still has some influence.
@@diobrando2575 no, definitely a nod to the legendary Dugan Ashley
Considering Carnik Con invented the spongebob trend, and Mattv2099 (bless him) copied the idea from Dugan and his people.
T-ZONE BABY.
@@fallout1953 imagine being upset over a children show lmao
These are the sort of conditions the AK has earned its reputation for reliability under. The mud test is pretty extreme (but even then, it goes to show that the rifle is still easy to strip down and clean with just a bit of water and a rag), but this super fine dust test perfectly simulates the sort of conditions AKs have been so successfully employed in for decades.
@@TheDiameter no they washed it out and still had some problems and the ar worked fine in the mud.
Or ... “kill two birds with one STONER”
🤣
:D
Getting two birds stoned at once, eh?
Interesting.
@@aranmccrea8613 i see watcha did there!
Well that's gonna be difficult, I'm barely able to get to the fridge right now, never mind trying to actually kill someone, forget it, you're gonna have to get another stoner, I'm too high for this bullshit.
I really miss you guys making vids together... best duo on YT, hands-down.
At last the convoy dust tests are here
You guys know from now on the spongebob tape is a must.
Sweet Sweet, Sweet Victory Yeah!
Skittles breaks are also required. Can't Operate without 'em.
Apparently you fix AK jams the same way you fix N64 cartridges
[Tetris theme music plays angrily]
Bahahahaha
I could watch you guys do this kind of stuff all day! I can't give much on Patreon but I'm happy to add what little I can because you guys are awesome.
I will predict that the AR will easily pass the convoy test both buttoned up and not, but will fail the angry baseball coach test harder than the AK also being harder to remedy once it does.
angry baseball coach test, is that test just an angry baseball coach beating the gun with a bat?
The AR did surprisingly well with the bully circle test, *especially* since they had the bolt locked open the grit was getting kicked right into the open action
As Karl was driving the Kübelwagen through the desert dust, I kept looking for Afrika Korps vehicles.
I'd love to see this test with the SMLE and the Kar 98k, North Africa style
I am so thankful that UA-cam lets you fast forward these videos the double tap is one of my favorite features
The military makes us oil the crap out of our guns and this stuff is a nightmare
Based on nothing, I'm guessing over-lubbing in those conditions might actually be counterproductive. My guess is that you'd end up with moon dust sludge.
@@jayzenitram9621 ya it almost has the consistency of concrete.
One time a machine Gunner buddy of mine dropped a 240 into about three feet of this stuff. I think he laughed and cried at the same time
Oil the crap out of it where they can see, if you're actually going to be going into the dust wipe it almost all off where they can't?
@@damstachizz I've been out for a while now but we used to wrap old shirts around the receiver. If you have a loose upper and lower I've seen guys use electrical tape as a makeshift gasket between them. I'm not sure if it helps or not.
Something I noticed with AR=type rifles is that in dusty environments lube can mix in with the dust to create a muddy substance and when it gets into parts like the safety detent spring it can bind up and make it extremely difficult if not impossible to manipulate your safety. Though doesn't happen immediately; I've only seen it happen on rifles with a few months in desert environments. But small parts like that aren't going to be cleaned by soldiers/Marines because they're not authorized to break the weapon down that far, which is one of the strengths of the AK. There aren't really any small parts you have to worry about during field stripping, or tiny springs binding up or breaking due to corrosion/dust. Really the smallest spring on the AK is for the muzzle device detent, and that's not even really necessary for primary function. As opposed to the AR which has the aforementioned safety detent spring, front/rear takedown pin detent springs (Which I have seen Marines lose before), etc.
Love how ian is always looking like a legionnaire, must of been one in a past life in the trenches of france during the great war.
Honeur et fidelite!!
Side note it's so entertaining and pleasing to watch two professionals who love to do what they do and are having fun doing it. You can tell Karl and Ian are having a blast with this and I couldn't be a happier viewer.
Glad to see someone calling them clearances instead of tolerances.
You guys really are doing the gun a favor getting all the oil out.....Nothing like oil based mud clogging up the innards. Always a good day when Inrange posts a new video :)
I’m excited to see more of these tests
Man. wow. Valid test, guys. I hated convoy dust. 27 yrs later I still, to this day, find myself watching for wind direction and dust swirls at outdoor events, lol.
You guys would’ve won the Internet if you played Darude: Sandstorm during the driving parts.
this close to greatness...
I liked the quiet driving parts. They were quite soothing.
Excellent idea! I had to try it. They go together perfectly.
Kudos to inrangeTV, I think this is one of the best reliability tests yet. literally shoveling piles of mud into an open weapon action versus a closed weapon action was a rather silly exercise in demonstrating the inevitable. This test on the other-hand realistically demonstrates conditions very frequently faced by soldiers ,i'd even wager being faced right now as we speak and the AK really lived up to its name. It took basically pouring dust into its internal mechanism and magazines to make it stop (which as far as I know isn't a frequently faced condition in real life) and even then it probably couldve been gotten running half way reliably without any disassembly or significant maintenance.
You can really see the appeal the weapon must have to militas, gangs, civilians and terrorists who often have total neglect for proper weapon maintenance, its the gun worlds equivalent of that old TV that always gets running again with just a few whacks.
you guys better do the bully circle with the ar-15
Bully circle?
When they stood around the gun and kicked sand onto it
These types of videos are always fun to watch. Good job guys.
Why is the theme from "The Rat Patrol" running through my head?
Definitely different perspective from the ol shovel and mud. You’ve spoilt us with this now
Guns strapped to a kublewagen...I might need a lie down
Dai Prout not a Kubelwagen. It’s a VW Thing. Very easy to mix the two up
@@TheFlicky0069 not as easy as getting VW enthusiasts to bite 😂
@@TheFlicky0069 Well, it is easy to mix them up because both in concept and design these are pretty much the same, aren't they?
azgarogly sorta, the fronts are different and so are the rears. The fenders are different as well. But for the idea is the same. The Kurierwagen (Thing) was to be the spiritual successor to the Kubelwagen.
Type 181, AKA Thing/Treker/Safari. Jake Raby, a VW engine builder and antique car importer of Cleveland, Georgia imported a May 1944 Kübelwagen that was delivered to the Waffen SS days before D-Day. I think he might have it for sale. I had a pretty good discussion with him at the May 2018 Circle-yer-Wagens show in Tennessee. facebook.com/46222961055/posts/jakes-1944-kubelwagen-being-towed-by-his-vw-lt40-4x4-firetruck-uber-vw-cool/10155309282936056/
I was a gunner on a humvee in Iraq Dec 2004- Feb 2006.
Escorted convoys and did MSR patrols.
Your moondust is very comparable to the real deal.
To the best of my ability, I ran my weapons as dry as possible.
Random convoy dust experience with various weapons. Your mileage may vary......
Mk19: got updated spring kits in maybe Jan 05. Had no problems and it ran like a beast. LSA-T liberally on the tracks that the bolt rides in and contact surfaces. Nowhere else. Old brown t-shirt rag taught over the top of ammo can to keep the dust out.
M249 para: champ. Mostly dry but little dab’l do ya on bolt track and the little feeding pawls in the top cover. Either mili-tec or lsa-t
M9: would get cruddy even in an old bianchi flap that I brought myself. Worked but needed constant attention. Militec on contact surfaces on frame only. Didn’t use it much besides shooting a few tail lights so wasn’t put to the test as much as others. No fancy mags, just rotated them out every month or so and they did ok.
Mossberg 500: (not 590) would also get cruddy. But it stayed in the hatch exposed. Did okay but tube gommed up a couple times requiring complete stripdown.
M2: slathered in CLP until the crud ran out. You’d know somebody had been rockin’ the 50 cause their face and vest would be covered in black splotches from the Lube. Myself and some older guys were good at tuning (HS/timing) them so that helped.
My buddies with m4’s ran as dry as they could also militec in little dab’l do ya ammounts and did fine.
Never heard of issues with the 203’s
Never got to shoot the AT-4 but I’m betting it was fine ;)
Like I said your mileage might vary or been varied back in the day. We sampled the dust from scania to speicher along msr tampa and most dust between and that’s just like, my opinion, man.
i dunno why, but the lower on that m4 at 9:13 looks so good to me.
Running the AK dry is good idea exactly for this reason. Also something simmilar applies to the AR. As we know in the AR the gases get into the action. What are those gases made from? Mostly carbon. What is carbon? A dry lubricant. Therefore AR is kinda self lubricating system.
I just watched Desert Tech's response, are you guys going to revisit the MDR with the 2019 gas block?
Yes
@@InrangeTv :DDDD thank you for all of the science :P
@@InrangeTv Take 'em to task.
And this... _THIS_ ...is why you do PCI's and make sure your Joes didn't bukake their service weapons in assloads of CLP or unauthorized lubes before going out on mission.
Thank you guys, this is the most real world relevant test in my experience. Foot patrols, using your rifle from the turret to do overpass drills, just walking to the DFAC, training at NTC. Sand isn't our normal desert warfare environment, moon dust is. Well done.
I've talked to several service members over the years who habitually used tape (electrical or duct) to seal up the muzzle from dust or debrison their rifles, pistols and shotguns.
Not sure that would make a difference but in case someone questioned that aspect of the test.
@@damstachizz I actually had an incident with moon dust sneaking through the gap between the upper and lower receiver with the bore ear plugged and dust cover closed,mag in. I had to pop the rear takedown pin and dump the sand out after the trigger failed to reset after the first shot.
Only malfunction I ever had on my m4a1
There's also condoms with rubberbands. Someone needs to do a highspeed video of that just for laughter.
put a condom over it.
I think I'm gonna really dig this series. Glad you guys dusted off the idea to do these tests!
Before the comments get disabled, I just want to say that this AK looks so incredibly nice it almost feels bad to tune in to watch this test :D
Thinking about cleaning the ak is tough, but cleaning Karls car sounds even worse.
I was truly surprised to see this video without comments disabled.
Here's an idea, make some elaborate gun rack on the front of your car and have like 5 -10 guns all super chilling in the front of the car, and have all the guns get a relaxing dirt wash. Love this new series, hope this idea allows you guys to make more convoy dirt videos!!!!!
So when *are* you doing weed tests on these guns?
You can put a bigger weed in the AK barrel 😁
Shotgun bongs!
Great new series! I'll be sure to catch most if not all of these tests.
While it's not such a problem with more modern firearms, please try to visually confirm that you don't have bore obstructions in the future whether on camera or not. The ziplock bag is a good safeguard, but it only handles one point of entry. Some designs on other firearms could allow sand to travel to the barrel via the dust cover or ejection port and build up inside. With the way you described Arizona mud/sand, there is a slight chance of danger to you guys and I don't want to see either of you hurt or injured because of these videos. Stay safe and keep making great content.
I read interview with russian spetsnaz unit: during siege of Grozny in january of 1995, they recieved new ak-74m's and used it mainly in automatic mode. After 3 days of battle, paint falls off the barrel due to the heat, but guns runs without stopages. I don't know if ar could do the same.
Sorry for the mistakes, english is not my language.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure an AR could fight in a war for a few days and be fine. Considering it's been used in wars for 70 years.
After watching Ian gingerly handle the antiques & collectors firearms so many times, I got a genuinely child-like chuckle seeing you guys just trash the AK, that kept me smiling for the day. Thanx for doing what you guys do, esp. in the current socio/political climate. Keep up the great work!
Kalashnikov sure hit a home run with the Ak. Reliable in pretty much all situations, can be fixed even when it’s been tortured, and it’s been haunting American troops since 1947. Truly that man was a gun making legend.
Mud: I’m about to end this whole man’s career
I live in Wyoming, we too have lots of moondust. Stuff gets everywhere. I think this one missed the boat because the gun was NOT lubed because moondust falls off everything unless there is any type of moisture or static charge. And any military weapon in use will have some lube on the bolt / carrier / piston etc. Lube would be a Moondust Magnet and , I believe, made this test much more realistic.
Otherwise, cool seeing someone else having to deal with moondust as well as a great vid.
Make the sand test to the G3 just like the foto from Afganistan.
Anyone got a link to the photo?
Yeah that photo’s sweet
J.Yossarian google “Norwegian G3” and click “Images”. Third one down.
@@j.yossarian6852 www.google.com/search?q=Norwegian+g3&safe=strict&client=ms-android-samsung&prmd=inmv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjIwZ3MxKTgAhVHAxAIHT0yA90Q_AUoAXoECAwQAQ&biw=320&bih=454#imgrc=4UGwH-UI5CdRcM
Outstanding video, as always. Keep up the fantastic work fellas. I'll keep watching and sharing.
Given that the Israelis adopted an AK derivative specifically because their previous guns had issues with dust and sand, i expect a lot from this(haven't watched yet)
Sheev Palpatine but if you look, the galil ace is more sealed than the original
The Senate has come
The front line units preferred the M16 though. Mostly due to the much lighter weight.
It's
Treason
Then
*charges rifle*
The ACE was never used by the Israeli military. He’s speaking of the old Galil, which is the direct copy of a Valmet - which is a copy/improvement of an AK.
The scene driving in the dust was so serene. Firearms and cinematography in one channel.
I would be really interested in seeing it done with lubrication. I think I understand why you chose dry as a control, but wouldn't the lubricant trap dust and turn it into mud rather quickly?
Im currently in training of my reserve unit in the IDF in the israeli desert, and it looks exactly the same, including the dust. Except here it was grounded alot more by tanks, spgs, apcs etc. Thankfully, it was lighly raining lately so the dust is not that bad, but being here in the summer really sucks. The dust is getting everywhere and it takes a few showers to get rid of it. Just seeing you (karl) with the face mask and goggles made the whole situation very familiar, while I live half a globe away.
RIP Karl's interior
I almost caught when you tried cambering a round in the rifle and all that dust came off. Reflex from my own experience down range. I'll never forget that moondust.
May not be scientific, but it is real world.
@MountainFighterPennsyltucky Though the problem with "non scientific but real world" is that it is relevant only in certain points of the real world.
but what if we're in the matrix tho? :P
What do you think science is about
The AK certainly didn't disappoint. Karl looking like he's in Road Warrior. I imagine there are places where it's illegal to get that dusted. What's not to love. Thanks Guys.
FAL vs. G3 for next test?
Yeah. Forget about M4 - that's boring. G3 is the most important rifle to test.
@@ntrf-xyz are you kidding? I want to see if covering my grandfather's old Sten gun with moon dust might actually make it more reliable somehow.
@@docpossum2460 InRange has already tested the M14 in dust. It failed miserably.
@@docpossum2460 The G3 offers a more reliable platform in sand and dirt. It's easier to clean in the field, and it's a more ergonomic platform.
The M14 is a markan's rifle -- the G3 is a battle rifle.
I imagine that this will stop a roller delayed action unlike the mud test. I would love to see a manufacturer develop a rifle that corrects the faults your torture tests reveal. As always a quality piece of content.
The spongebob tape reminded me.......I miss Dougan :'(
Same. The feels.
operator operator, connect to skynet, I'm a motherfuckin' terminator!
I'm from Bulgaria. Didn't expect to see zavod Arsenalski weapon on this channel. GJ
You still need to do the Famas mud and dust test.
I don't know of Ian could take it.... he loves it so much xD
That being said, it be very interesting and I hope he has the will to do it.
I'd predict it perform similarly to the cetmeL
@@jasonjohnson6938 He could always borrow Larry Vicker's Famas. Or the full auto one he shot in his video.
@@tengu190 oooooooooooo true...
Don’t put that FAMAS in the dirt what’s wrong with you guys
Back when our Company was in Lithuania, the boys fully dried up our MGs, cuz the dust there was also quite *moony*.
At the beginning we the MGs were maintained as usual with good amounts lube everywhere (the more the better we always say),
but the lube actually binded with dust and caused major stoppages.
With the guns being fully dried, you of course did have jams, but those were usually cleared by racking the charging handle.
The AK actually passed the convey test with flying colors. It was only when they pushed it beyond the test that problems started. With the AR I don't think having the dust cover open would be enough of a comparable test. You would have to have the bolt open to admit as much dust. Granted that's not how the rifle is designed to be transported (like not at all) so I wouldn't recommend it.
It will be interesting to see how the AR does when it has dust kicked up the mag well and into the action.
@@blairbuskirk5460 That is a distinct possibility. If that happens I hope it's enough to put to bed the nonsense about the AR being a self cleaning rifle. That canard is based on the direct impingement system providing a "puff of air" (as one deluded youtube rando put it) that is meant to blow crud out after each shot. I wish I were making that up.
I like this new test set up, dust is a far different consistency than mud and will test guns in different ways, I like how this one turned out.
Now excited for the in range weed test
I love that you drive a Volkswagen thing fucking badass
Unironically drives a civilian version of the Kübelwagen... you guys are full of surprises. Awesome car, looks even more "German" with that spare tire on the hood.
Btw, cheeki breeki proper russian AK better than AR, blyat. Bulgarians dont make proper AK, comrade. Every babushka in russia knows, only russian AK works like AK. Russia AK you dont even need to smack its battery. It works just!
Karl did a whole video on the car some time ago.
I'm not surprised one of them owns a restored 1970's VW Thing.
Stellar test fellas. Thanks for the video
12:55 every camo is desert camo if you use it in the desert long enough XD
I ride a KLR off-road in Arizona. At the mention of "moon dust", my sphincter instinctively clenched.
Nothing makes you go from "haha this is the best riding day ever" to "at least these cholla cactus broke my fall" faster than moon dust.
I won't lie, the Volkswagen is the highlight of this video.
Here, in the South Jersey Pines, we have a very similar sort of fine sand, and, dust, especially in the summer, so, this is of special interest to me. I've gotten home from trail riding, and, cleaned what seemed like a cubic yard of sand out of my Ural's air cleaner.
The sponge bob tape is a nice touch.
We have that same dust in central Australia. We call it bulldust.
So dirty the bolt stayed back on its own
Some AK pattern rifles do that cleaned and lubed. Depends on the shape of the hammer.
@@Daemascus arsenal hammers don't though
Very unique and scalable test. Well done, guys.
Arsenal bulgaria does not make stamped guns, only milled AKs, so i never understood where they get the parts for these Frankenstein Arsenal rifles that are assembled in the US.
Parts kits.
www.arsenalinc.com/usa/Rifles/slr-104-series/
Arsenal Bulgaria /used/ to make stamped guns, and this was one of them. They didn't sell as well on the export market as milled guns, so they've slowed / stopped production of stamped rifles. Their tooling was the leftovers from Bulgaria's time as a ComBloc producer of AKs by license.
Specifically, the AK-74 / AKS-74 was produced in Bulgarian factories built by the Soviets, and they are a treasure for Afghanistan-era focused historians, as the Bulgarian AK-74 through all their ComBloc years is essentially a 1982-vintage Soviet AK-74 frozen in time. E.g., even after the Soviets switched to dimpling their barrel components in place in the late '80s, the Bulgarians persisted in populating their barrels with pins.
I meant, are they russian? polish? not that many countries made ak-74 style bolts and trunnions, romania's 5.45 guns are modified akms. @@xj53pq7
Bulgarian parts on a U.S. receiver is my guess.
Very reliable rifle. Still worth it to do what ever you can , even in a bad environment, to keep it clean and to clean it whenever the tactical situation permits.
Am I the only one that expected Ian to be driving a Citroen 2CV?
I kept thinking a Citroen Mehari, the French version of the Kubelwagen.
@@Aimless6 Even better!
Good practice is to leave headlights on when driving in dust like that, makes you a lot easier to spot, especally when slowing down without braking. We call that moon dust "bulldust" here in Australia for the way cattle kick it up into an absolute cloud, there is plenty to drive for a couple of days and see nothing else. Rural towns have an area you stop in and wait for the dust to clear before continuing onto the sealed streets (even if just passing though), else you can tow it for many hundred meters and just completely cover the local homes and businesses.
Do this mean you got the clutch fixed mentioned previously in a Q&A video?
Did he? The kubelreplika sounded a bit labored at the end of the run.
REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE NEW SERIES KARL!
For the sake of appeasing the "but if there was a round in the chamber" crowd. Snap cap?
Actually not a bad idea
That would work yea
could just use an empty case
That wouldn’t really make them much happier though, seeing as how you’d still have to charge the gun afterwards to be able to test it.
The dust and mud tests are my favourite! Would love to see more!
I love the Volkswagen.
Fun video! (to watch...) As with mud, there's dust and there's dust... The infamous parkerized Checkmate M9 magazines did fine in 'standard' American sand, but choked on the Mid-East talcum-like 'moon dust'.
Also, try strapping the guns to the REAR bumper--that's where the heavy dust will be. As it swirls up behind the car, that dust will settle all over (and even pile up) on the subject guns. You can also run the test in air-conditioned comfort--and cleanliness...
Anyone who rides in the back of a 7 ton will find that this will clog up a rifle as quick as any mud. We would always tape a rag or tee shirt in the mag well to help keep the dust out and keep mgs dry with a spray bottle of clp or lsa with them so if we needed them we could pour some on quickly.
I am a little more,
Old Corps......
Deuce and Half.
HAHAHAHA
SEMPER FI !
Would be nice to test a AK-74M:
In 1991 the Izhmash factory in the city of Izhevsk began full-scale production of a modernized variant of the AK-74-the AK-74M (M-Russian: Модернизированный; Modernizirovanniy or "modernized") assault rifle that offers more versatility compared with its predecessor. Apart from several minor improvements, such as a lightened bolt and carrier assembly to reduce the impulse of the gas piston and bolt carrier during firing, the rifle features a new glass-filled polyamide stock that retains the shape of the original AK-74 fixed laminated wood stock, but side-folds to the left like the skeletonized AKS-74 buttstock. As a result, pistol grip reinforcement plates that were once exclusively used on the folding stock variants are standard on all AK-74Ms. Additionally the AK-74M features an improved muzzle device with extended collar and threads to reduce play and a machine cut beneath to allow easier cleaning rod removal, a reinforced smooth dust cover and a redesigned guide rod return spring retainer that allows firing the GP-25, GP-30 and GP-34 underslung grenade launchers without having to use the previously necessary additional receiver cover fastener. To reduce production costs, barrel hardware, such as the front sight base and gas block, are dimple pressed on to the barrel instead of pinned on (commercial semi-auto variants are still pinned on to maintain user serviceability). Other economic changes include omission of lightening cuts on the front sight block and gas piston as well as a stamped gas tube release lever, replacing the milled one. The bullet guide and bolt guide were also separated, with the bolt guide becoming a simple bump held in place on the left side of the receiver with an additional rivet (it's often called a "bump rivet" because of this) making it easier to replace in case of wear. Each AK-74M is fitted with a side-rail bracket for mounting optics that is a simplified version of the 74N mount with less machining cuts. The AK-74M would have been adopted by the Soviet Union as the standard service rifle, and has been accepted as the new service rifle of the Russian Federation.
Mud test the revolver please.
No. It's too dangerous. Mud will get into the cylinder gap, which will cause bore obstructions and could result in exploded guns. As Ian and Karl have said many times, there is no point in doing something they absolutely know will cause a failure.
RIP
But revolvers never ever jam, right?
That is going to kill it.
nah they are indestructible @@Warriorcat49
Love That Jacket !!! Awesome Content as Always Dudes 🙌
Oh boy! Time to redo every video but with D U S T !
I wonder how the W2000 will perform.
I am Very, Very excited about this series, and will be watching closely. I hope you guys do a whole slew of weapons, including bolt action, semi and full auto rifles and and guns, maybe some damn lever actions and black powder firearms, because why the hell not. I'm excited about this.