F-4S is an F-4J with the Agile Eagle package that you can see installed on the F-4C. It means the S turns better than the J meaning you're less of a helpless brick
@@h4zmatgaming395 That would be a waste of a slot in the tech tree period as it basically offers nothing other than being just a slightly better F-4J in its current state. I’d rather see an F-14B with AIM-9Ls in 12.0 in that case.
I feel like the f-4s would be a good buy bc of how it can bomb bases for rp fast and it gets aim7f’s. But for me i have the f-14 and everything else except the attacker line and f-5e so i feel i could use it well but for a lvl 5 maybe not
@@landonshelton614 i mean, you can get all the advice in the world, but if it's not a method that suits you it's gunna be more tedious than grinding normally. just gotta find the way that works best for you
@@SomeOrdinaryJanitor I personally used the f-4s to bomb bases from 4.3 to 12.0 for the f-16 in a matter of 3 days but this included like 2-3 kills aswell.
@@semicooperative7188 oh man, how you are wrong) I own f4s, take 16*250 lbs bombs, 4+4 rockets + gun pod. 90% matches you can easy drop bombs and I have no problems fighting aircrafts, just don't actually dogfight people and use aim-7f from 2.5-20 km and 9h on lucky shots up to 4 km from behind(with equal speed). It is way better than mig23ml because 1 base = 1.5 kills +- and you can 1 base+1 kill pretty every time, especially if you enter a match when you will met new players on high tier jets which is basically free kill. Can you make 2.5 kills every game reliably? I think not, it is random enough, 1 base + 1 kill is consistent as hell and if you are lucky and skilled enough you can make 5-6 kills + base or even 2 bases if match is prolonged.
cannot recommend the av8a enough. i grinded the whole damn tech tree from basically zero in 600 games. super duper efficient. due to power to weight, you will drop your bombs 100% of the time, and your speed getting into battle allows you to easily flank enemies, drop 2 missiles, and rtb. rinse and repeat as many times as possible, always making sure to drag out your matches to increase your rp totals. this should result, after you get the hang of it, in 20-40k rp PER GAME. its actually ridiculous how efficient this thing is. it blew me away how fast i was able to rip though that tree.
F-4S is literally broken af right now, it's so good. Such a fast grinder, 2-3 kills a match with ease plus bombing. It's so damn good. Good video touching on the topic!
This is a great video man, it helps me a lot. I don’t know why you have a logo in the video but it might me a bug. If it isn’t it is the only thing that is a little annoying. But you are helping me a lot, thx
Whatever helps you out! I never said it was bad, just expensive, so it really comes down to what you personally can afford and use effectively. Good luck with the tech tree
@@chynas8250Not only that but also they won’t have any understanding of radar usage which the F-4S DEFINITELY requires. At least with the MiG-23ML I can run all aspect IR missiles.
@@chynas8250 If they buff the F-4S it needs to be AIM-9Ls as the first thing honestly. It really doesn’t serve any other purpose besides a Strike Aircraft or Support Fighter. The AIM-9Ls would give better performance in all aspect. Also a slightly higher Thrust/Weight would help it with getting higher energy states to sling those AIM-9s and AIM-7s without being too op, and then a slight BR change to 11.7 which should accommodate the buffs.
The F4S is definitely the way to go if you’re starting from nothing and want to be able to bomb bases and support. The amount of bombs it can carry plus the Air to air missiles make it so easy to grind. I’m already rank 5 and started the game last week with the premium. Comes with talisman, 2500 gold eagles and 20 days of premium. Can’t beat that
@@julmdamaslefttoe3559nah be like me who waited till after the sale to buy the f4s and 5c for a whopping 120 dollars fuck this games got me by the balls
DEFINITELY is. I started doing that with my F-5C and I get damn near over 8000 per match, sometimes I get even 20000 RP a match. It’s really fast and I can cover a whole tier easily.
The first time I got F-4S from my fri, I thought it not that good despite in a top tier match but after I learn how to use it, it’s kinda deadly. I load with 5 sparrow and 2 Aim9H XD
I already have the F14 and I'm I think 3 planes away from the F16. Don't specifically remember the names. Now, I kinda want the F5S since yes it's a very good plane and a premium but again I already have the F14 lol. Maybe I'll get it when it's half off, I can wait.
F-4S* not F-5S lol. Also since you already have the F-14A and are grinding for the F-16A I wouldn’t even bother. It’s ultimately going to find the same use as the F-4J.
1. we dont have exp in game. 2. if you play things like the F-5 you can average higher income of RP 3. the A-10 will be clapped by any player with more then 3 brain cells
@@11Tits I’ve clapped several kinds of aircraft with it I like to go out with no secondary weapons now because I played it so much with them it got boring I still get on average 4-5 kills a game without missiles.
F4e would be a better choice for a talisman compared to the f4c it gets agile eagle and flares and in the f4c your just going to die 30g missiles at least in the f4e you have flares and better flight performance and air to air missiles
Obviously, RP heavily depends on performance, but you will earn noticeably more with a talisman. A Talisman vehicle has the same RP earn rate as a premium (more or less, every vehicle has slightly different earn rates) it just doesn't get the extra silver earn rate or research more than 1 rank below it effeciently.
Don't make the RP +1/-1 Rank mistake I did. I almost solely played props around rank 4.0-6.0, skipped a lot of ground fighters and bombers and played 30 days in game. At the time I didn't care either until I noticed the f-16 and F-14
The Fact that they moved the F14 to Rank 8 so you have to grind out the whole attacker line now in order to unlock Rank 8 was just such a fcked up move from Gajin
Literally me bro but I’ve decided I’m just gonna bite the bullet and just research every line I don’t have one by one and delay my f-16 experience for another 5 years
F4S was good before the radar uptade, now he just isnt that good at taking down enemies at least in top tier, if youre up with f5c or against you can do pretty much. Note that if you play against mig29 youll see that most of the times you wont be able to lock them, dont know why. overall good plane to bomb and help, but surely you wont help that much nowadays because of the radar nerf
I like War Thunder but. I haven`t played in awhile because of the standard controls suck and make the game unplayable. Took me 3 to 4 hrs to get them about right. Then some how the controls got messed up. Then another 2 hrs to fix to play that day. Didn`t play for a few days and controls messed up again. Stopped playing for 6 months.
Hey brother, most of the people watching this video trying to find ways to not spend money on the game to get a jet, and you just told us all that our only good option is to just buy what we want. 😂
@@suzybean13 it doesn't really change how it functions in game tho. It technically turns better, but still isn't competitive in a dogfight with most opponents. If top tier moves up a good bit, agile eagle may eventually make a big difference, but for the time being, it's just a nice extra.
CAS A10 is the correct way to use it and also the fastest way to grind is get in the sim mod and fuck those red rings just stay away from airfields unless you have and know how to use CCRP
Bro no way he said the A-10 is worth it but not the F-4S the F-4S is fck Goated as an F-4J player I would recommend it more than the A-10 which I also have as long as u don’t have the J get the S
Oh man, how you are wrong about f4s. I own f4s, take 16*250 lbs bombs, 4+4 rockets + gun pod. 90% matches you can easy drop bombs and I have no problems fighting aircrafts, just don't actually dogfight people and use aim-7f from 2.5-20 km and 9h on lucky shots up to 4 km from behind(with equal speed). It is way better than mig23ml because 1 base = 1.5 kills +- and you can 1 base+1 kill pretty every time, especially if you enter a match when you will met new players on high tier jets which is basically free kill. Can you make 2.5 kills every game reliably? I think not, it is random enough, 1 base + 1 kill is consistent as hell and if you are lucky and skilled enough you can make 5-6 kills + base or even 2 bases if match is prolonged.
No?? No offense but you are probably around level 5 to 25. If you want to play the F-5 efficiently play it as a turn fighter, that’s what it is. Just don’t try to turn with everything, the J35’s and from my own experience the MiG-21SMT and MiG-21MF both turn better at lower speeds. Also don’t try to turn fight at at low speeds unless you have no choice, the sweet spot for turning is 650km/h to 900km/h. You can boom and zoom if you want just watch you RWR for and radar locks and get ready to use flare/chaff. If you are in a full uptier I don’t recommend gaining altitude because 11.0/11.3 that have radar guided missiles will most likely kill you. The gums on F-5 are a little weird to get used to so just practice a little using air target rounds. and bombing in the F-5 could also be good if you still aren’t that good at fighting. I think the best load out for bombing is the 2000lb bomb in the middle pylon and 2 BLU/1 fire bombs on the left and right pylons.
@@boltzxz no I'm not that low level And you it's quite ok on its br but my most common enemy is the mig23ml and the mig21 SMT which I don't have a chance against I also get fucked by tornados but you can defeat them as their pilots are brain-dead All in all I usually get a base and a kill and as soon as someone approaches me I get missiled from 12km
F-4S is an F-4J with the Agile Eagle package that you can see installed on the F-4C. It means the S turns better than the J meaning you're less of a helpless brick
Not F4C. F4E
I wish it came to the tech tree and not a prem
Also, it isn't agile eagle but it does have the leading edge flaps that are similar
@@h4zmatgaming395 That would be a waste of a slot in the tech tree period as it basically offers nothing other than being just a slightly better F-4J in its current state. I’d rather see an F-14B with AIM-9Ls in 12.0 in that case.
It also has stronger engines
F4s has helmet mounted seeker like the mig 29, but the difference is it can also helmet mount lock someone with radar as well
mig29 can do that too lol
Mig-29 does it as well, useful for 27-ER shots when the gap opens in a dogfight
I feel like the f-4s would be a good buy bc of how it can bomb bases for rp fast and it gets aim7f’s. But for me i have the f-14 and everything else except the attacker line and f-5e so i feel i could use it well but for a lvl 5 maybe not
Thoughts abt this?
Bombing bases at top tier is very inconsistent especially with the high acceleration of F-16s
@@landonshelton614 i mean, you can get all the advice in the world, but if it's not a method that suits you it's gunna be more tedious than grinding normally. just gotta find the way that works best for you
@@SomeOrdinaryJanitor I personally used the f-4s to bomb bases from 4.3 to 12.0 for the f-16 in a matter of 3 days but this included like 2-3 kills aswell.
@@semicooperative7188 oh man, how you are wrong) I own f4s, take 16*250 lbs bombs, 4+4 rockets + gun pod. 90% matches you can easy drop bombs and I have no problems fighting aircrafts, just don't actually dogfight people and use aim-7f from 2.5-20 km and 9h on lucky shots up to 4 km from behind(with equal speed). It is way better than mig23ml because 1 base = 1.5 kills +- and you can 1 base+1 kill pretty every time, especially if you enter a match when you will met new players on high tier jets which is basically free kill. Can you make 2.5 kills every game reliably? I think not, it is random enough, 1 base + 1 kill is consistent as hell and if you are lucky and skilled enough you can make 5-6 kills + base or even 2 bases if match is prolonged.
one of the best warthunder reviews i have ever seen
Love this small channel and this guide
cannot recommend the av8a enough. i grinded the whole damn tech tree from basically zero in 600 games. super duper efficient. due to power to weight, you will drop your bombs 100% of the time, and your speed getting into battle allows you to easily flank enemies, drop 2 missiles, and rtb. rinse and repeat as many times as possible, always making sure to drag out your matches to increase your rp totals. this should result, after you get the hang of it, in 20-40k rp PER GAME. its actually ridiculous how efficient this thing is. it blew me away how fast i was able to rip though that tree.
honestly at this point in the games life i'm not above playing like a gremlin. You camp that AA and go for it!
20-40k with premium, right?
@@1629con yeah ofc
What bombs should I use??
@@Lukemc-if1nr 2 1000's, 2 aim9s, and flare pod
F-4S is literally broken af right now, it's so good. Such a fast grinder, 2-3 kills a match with ease plus bombing. It's so damn good. Good video touching on the topic!
This is a great video man, it helps me a lot. I don’t know why you have a logo in the video but it might me a bug. If it isn’t it is the only thing that is a little annoying. But you are helping me a lot, thx
F4S are really deadly if you know how to use radar lock properly. You can get at least 3 kills + bombing 1 base.
U can actually get two
I bought the f4s yesterday and for me it helped very well and was worth it but you do have more experience than me so i say ppl should listen to you
Whatever helps you out! I never said it was bad, just expensive, so it really comes down to what you personally can afford and use effectively. Good luck with the tech tree
Nice video ! Keep the good work up !!!
I do agree with what you are saying. These things will help new players help them get to top their jets.
New players will be eaten alive by Mig29 if they just buy F4S due to constant uptier
@@chynas8250Not only that but also they won’t have any understanding of radar usage which the F-4S DEFINITELY requires. At least with the MiG-23ML I can run all aspect IR missiles.
@@gtmike916 let's hope the lowered USA air win rate will make them buff it *inhales copium*
@@chynas8250 If they buff the F-4S it needs to be AIM-9Ls as the first thing honestly. It really doesn’t serve any other purpose besides a Strike Aircraft or Support Fighter. The AIM-9Ls would give better performance in all aspect. Also a slightly higher Thrust/Weight would help it with getting higher energy states to sling those AIM-9s and AIM-7s without being too op, and then a slight BR change to 11.7 which should accommodate the buffs.
The F4S also has wing slats making it more mobile. I mean adorable
The F4S is definitely the way to go if you’re starting from nothing and want to be able to bomb bases and support. The amount of bombs it can carry plus the Air to air missiles make it so easy to grind. I’m already rank 5 and started the game last week with the premium. Comes with talisman, 2500 gold eagles and 20 days of premium. Can’t beat that
60$ wait for a sale.
@@julmdamaslefttoe3559nah be like me who waited till after the sale to buy the f4s and 5c for a whopping 120 dollars fuck this games got me by the balls
why after the sale?@@iimasheriiol222
Remember guys. Bombing bases is the fastest way to grind RP
DEFINITELY is. I started doing that with my F-5C and I get damn near over 8000 per match, sometimes I get even 20000 RP a match. It’s really fast and I can cover a whole tier easily.
F-4s just takes some time to get to know it. I’ve grinded out almost 1 mil rp with it in like 3 weeks
hey what was the song you used called? its incredibly chill and i must obtain it
Waiting for the F18A and F15C!
very helpfull video but could you maybe do one for the german tech tree
Thanks this helped alot :)
Harrier is better price than A-6E Tram i got robbed fr
The first time I got F-4S from my fri, I thought it not that good despite in a top tier match but after I learn how to use it, it’s kinda deadly. I load with 5 sparrow and 2 Aim9H XD
I heavily recommend a tailsman on the f8E
Enjoy a new subscriber:)
underrated video
Just got the f4 at 30 bucks things been great soo far.
the A10 in rb with only missiles is kinda op, I used to bomb and die before I get a point but this is way better
I already have the F14 and I'm I think 3 planes away from the F16. Don't specifically remember the names. Now, I kinda want the F5S since yes it's a very good plane and a premium but again I already have the F14 lol. Maybe I'll get it when it's half off, I can wait.
F-4S* not F-5S lol. Also since you already have the F-14A and are grinding for the F-16A I wouldn’t even bother. It’s ultimately going to find the same use as the F-4J.
A10 for half price is a top plane now... doing 16-25k exp with premium per battle
That’s what I used to get to top teir in the us tech tree
1. we dont have exp in game.
2. if you play things like the F-5 you can average higher income of RP
3. the A-10 will be clapped by any player with more then 3 brain cells
@@11Tits I’ve clapped several kinds of aircraft with it I like to go out with no secondary weapons now because I played it so much with them it got boring I still get on average 4-5 kills a game without missiles.
@@jaythegreat_wt4964 Bro you can clap anying in a biplane whats your point. You are still an easy kill to anyone paying attention
@@11Tits true
i love how the best phantom for usa is premium
Thanks legend 🙏
F4e would be a better choice for a talisman compared to the f4c it gets agile eagle and flares and in the f4c your just going to die 30g missiles at least in the f4e you have flares and better flight performance and air to air missiles
I was really thinking about getting the f4s for grinding I've been playing for three years and just now reaching top tier
I just recently got it and its super fun to play.
How much rp do you get per kill in the f4s
Trying to spade the f6f5n for the rp bonus has been pain
Question: if i buy a talisman for F14, does the F14 earn 10k RP per much when i get a good score? If so, i dont need to buy F4S
Obviously, RP heavily depends on performance, but you will earn noticeably more with a talisman. A Talisman vehicle has the same RP earn rate as a premium (more or less, every vehicle has slightly different earn rates) it just doesn't get the extra silver earn rate or research more than 1 rank below it effeciently.
@@semicooperative7188 thank u for answer!
Can you make a video on how to play the F-14 stock?
Ngl, its just bad at stock
Talismaned F14 made it a breeze
Don't make the RP +1/-1 Rank mistake I did.
I almost solely played props around rank 4.0-6.0, skipped a lot of ground fighters and bombers and played 30 days in game.
At the time I didn't care either until I noticed the f-16 and F-14
The Fact that they moved the F14 to Rank 8 so you have to grind out the whole attacker line now in order to unlock Rank 8 was just such a fcked up move from Gajin
Literally me bro but I’ve decided I’m just gonna bite the bullet and just research every line I don’t have one by one and delay my f-16 experience for another 5 years
Same I got super mad. Unless I buy the a6e tram and f4s I will need to unlock a whole new line
i thought rp efficiency was only for 1 rank above, not below. Is that really how it works?
For tech tree and squadron vehicles, yes. Premium vehicles research all ranks below them efficienctly which is one of their main advantages
F4S was good before the radar uptade, now he just isnt that good at taking down enemies at least in top tier, if youre up with f5c or against you can do pretty much. Note that if you play against mig29 youll see that most of the times you wont be able to lock them, dont know why. overall good plane to bomb and help, but surely you wont help that much nowadays because of the radar nerf
Uve gone wrong with the light and heavy fighter line
I like War Thunder but. I haven`t played in awhile because of the standard controls suck and make the game unplayable. Took me 3 to 4 hrs to get them about right. Then some how the controls got messed up. Then another 2 hrs to fix to play that day. Didn`t play for a few days and controls messed up again. Stopped playing for 6 months.
I noticed some control scheme issues if I didn't close out properly. Definitely saved my control scheme just in case it deleted my previous tho
Nice
what about i dont want to buy a premium????
"What do spend your money on in War Thunder"
I hesitate between using a talisman on the f4c or buying the f4s to bomb and do RP -_- heeelp meeeee
can you do one on germany?
Not far enough in the German tech tree to do a complete video
Think you just sold me on the tram
How often are there sales?
Usually one in the middle and end of the year for pack vehicles. For GE vehicles, they pop up a little more often
If yall r on console the AV is better i have experiance a-10 and A-6 break alot diff storie for comp
Hey brother, most of the people watching this video trying to find ways to not spend money on the game to get a jet, and you just told us all that our only good option is to just buy what we want. 😂
I can't find the premium F4 anywhere, what happened?
It's releasing next patch. I used the F-4J for all the footage as they look basically the same unless something changes between now and release
@@semicooperative7188 it also has the slats/agile eagle
@@suzybean13 it doesn't really change how it functions in game tho. It technically turns better, but still isn't competitive in a dogfight with most opponents. If top tier moves up a good bit, agile eagle may eventually make a big difference, but for the time being, it's just a nice extra.
CAS A10 is the correct way to use it
and also the fastest way to grind is get in the sim mod and fuck those red rings
just stay away from airfields unless you have and know how to use CCRP
at 4:36 he spelled depend wrong
Not true about f4c, most time you get to bomb one base before being shot down
Bro no way he said the A-10 is worth it but not the F-4S the F-4S is fck Goated as an F-4J player I would recommend it more than the A-10 which I also have as long as u don’t have the J get the S
5:56 Am I the only one who reads "AV-8A" and pronounce it "Aviatah" as if it was "Aviator"
Well any time I use my F5C, I go against F4S phantom 2s. And when I use the phantom 2, I go against F16s 🤦🏼♂️
720p 😭😭
I feel like if you're going to spend $60 on a plane for War Thunder you should really invest into DCS instead.
A10 in air rb don’t work use in ground rb
It does work well in most of the maps, it just requires a good knowledge of Aim9ls, etc.
F-4S isn’t even in PlayStation stores yet.
I know , literally so annoying .
@@brendanngin9939 UPDATE ITS IN THE STORE. you’re welcome.
Oh man, how you are wrong about f4s. I own f4s, take 16*250 lbs bombs, 4+4 rockets + gun pod. 90% matches you can easy drop bombs and I have no problems fighting aircrafts, just don't actually dogfight people and use aim-7f from 2.5-20 km and 9h on lucky shots up to 4 km from behind(with equal speed). It is way better than mig23ml because 1 base = 1.5 kills +- and you can 1 base+1 kill pretty every time, especially if you enter a match when you will met new players on high tier jets which is basically free kill. Can you make 2.5 kills every game reliably? I think not, it is random enough, 1 base + 1 kill is consistent as hell and if you are lucky and skilled enough you can make 5-6 kills + base or even 2 bases if match is prolonged.
4:22 btw he misspelled "Depends" for "depemds."
The F5 sucks
No?? No offense but you are probably around level 5 to 25. If you want to play the F-5 efficiently play it as a turn fighter, that’s what it is. Just don’t try to turn with everything, the J35’s and from my own experience the MiG-21SMT and MiG-21MF both turn better at lower speeds. Also don’t try to turn fight at at low speeds unless you have no choice, the sweet spot for turning is 650km/h to 900km/h. You can boom and zoom if you want just watch you RWR for and radar locks and get ready to use flare/chaff. If you are in a full uptier I don’t recommend gaining altitude because 11.0/11.3 that have radar guided missiles will most likely kill you. The gums on F-5 are a little weird to get used to so just practice a little using air target rounds. and bombing in the F-5 could also be good if you still aren’t that good at fighting. I think the best load out for bombing is the 2000lb bomb in the middle pylon and 2 BLU/1 fire bombs on the left and right pylons.
defo compared to what you are fighting against
@@boltzxz no I'm not that low level
And you it's quite ok on its br but my most common enemy is the mig23ml and the mig21 SMT which I don't have a chance against I also get fucked by tornados but you can defeat them as their pilots are brain-dead
All in all I usually get a base and a kill and as soon as someone approaches me I get missiled from 12km
@@snowbrero5448 Bring flares and chaff. If those dont work notch and get down really low.
@@boltzxz i feel like chaff doesn't work at all and I usually get either Radar missiled or gunned
you dont grind america, its weak currently, grind russia becuase its the meta currently
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