NTSB B-Roll: Dallas, Texas Mid Air Collision (13/11/22)
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- Опубліковано 13 лис 2022
- November 13, 2022: NTSB investigators walk the scene of the 11/12/2022 mid-air collision between a Boeing B-17G and a Bell P-63F, at the Dallas Executive Airport Terminal.
Really appreciate the drone footage, it gives a good perspective on the scale of these accidents
We know EXACTLY what happened. The NTSB's job is to determine WHY it happened. Give 'em time. They're good at what they do.
Exactly
They aren't just "good" at what they do. They are excellent at what they do!
Very grateful this B-roll was released so quickly. RIP to all
It’s scary how little are left of the two airframes.. 😢
thanks for the aerial coverage
It would be interesting to see a re-creation of the ‘view’ Craig had while closing in. Same altitude, horizon line, rate of change. Etc. The B-17 painted in camo may have been a factor of seeing it. I tracked the bank angle of the P-63 and it did not change. Craig just plainly did not see the warbird. It was an accident of tremendous loss. Terrible. I hate it. But it was just an accident. Just as simple as that.
Rest in eternal peace.
From a pilot who was spectating he said he was listening to the communications between the air boss and the pilots flying in the airshow and he heard the air boss direct the p63 to overtake the b17… if this is true the air boss is partially responsible.
@@brandonlewis9531 how would he know that he was specifically talking to that plane? Their were like 20 planes flying, bomb3rs and fighters
@@unropednope4644 read what you just wrote.. if there were multiple planes flying wouldn’t the air boss give specific instructions? They just don’t say hey plane go by the other plane.. put some thought in man
@@brandonlewis9531 How can you overtake something you don't even see?
I've watched different angles in different videos, I have heard reports and my opinion is, the P63 was told to overtake the B17. As both aircraft were in a lefthand bank, the P63 could not see the position of the B17. If there were ground spotters I don't know but there should have been an adjustment to aircraft altitudes. In any case, God with their families.
The only mercy is the speed at which this all took place. I do hope you get the the bottom of why the pattern overtake appears to have been done. RIP.
lack of planning, no rehearsal. accident waiting to happen IMO
@@boossersgarage3239 have you ever been in an airshow? they do extensive planning before they even start. all the programs routines are discussed during the pilots briefing and where the operational "box" is. the P63 lost situational awareness and hit the B-17.
@@hirisk761 , they obviously failed in their briefing. not enough. sorry bro. I worked in live performances for decades, I know what it takes to choreograph and direct. sad they didn't.
@@boossersgarage3239 It's not really fair to speculate, especially given how little information we as the general public have. You could totally be right, but since we don't have all the flight plans, footage from the shows, maintenance information, data from the crash site, etc., we can't really say. The only thing is that a lot of the phone footage seems to show the King Cobra coming in with its belly to the B-17, but that could also be a failed attempt to turn away and avert the accident, we just don't know.
Unfortunately, when it comes to general aviation, all the planning in the world can't make up for the other very possible shortcomings: pilot error, poor maintenance and improper repairs being 3 of the big ones. The commercial Airlines have very strict guidelines, air traffic control, usually well-trained pilots and multiple redundant systems hence the reason there are so few crashes.
There is so much video footage taken of this. It's pretty apparent how the investigation will head. My condolences to the families involved and the aviation world.
Heartbreaking.
I take it the NTSB A-Roll will never be released to the general public.
Thank goodness you all have a drone! Last few b roles didnt have it on there though it was train incidents. Nice shot showing the mcdonalds that was in the film as well. Though from these angles it doesn't look like parts could have went out to that highway, unless there was a cross wind and very light particulates were there. Thanks for sharing.
Luckily there were no casualties on the ground. RIP to the lives loss.
RIP
What are all the cones for?
To mark out points of interest. Debris of all types. Log the landing position then retrace the path from origin.
you have to think of it like a crime scene
"Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground"...JT
If that impact had happened a second or two earlier that plane would have crashed into the highway.
There were way too many Aircraft’s in the sky not only at the same time, but at the same Altitude!!!!! This could of been Avoided! These beautiful Aircraft’s are GONE 😢
I agree that this needs to be a recommendation to come out of the investigation.
Too many ….Too low….zero tolerance is impossible when they’re scratching each other’s backs to begin with ….complacency kills
are those planes equipped with VCRs?
Was anyone riding the gunner ball in the tail?
I doubt it, once in flight the rear is separated from the forward crew compartment by the bomb bay. Believe the minimum crew is 4, possible the 5th was there for training. During the war you could cross using a narrow catwalk, but now it’s forbidden to use the catwalk in flight. When they take the general public on flights you have to pick the forward or rear compartment.
Craig Hutain with enviable qualifications & 34,500 flying hours but yet he screwed up...big time!
Caught up in the excitement flying around haphazardly? Experience does not give you immunity from mistakes...believe that much! Read the statistics!
We saw exactly what happened. We know why it happened. As for what failures allowed it to happen, that's a three-letter answer. If you can, see some video or hear some audio of the pre-show briefing.
By and large, NTSB does a good job at investigative activities. However, they have to stop leaning on "probable cause." If an individual had to pay for an investigative report, they surely wouldn't get what they paid for with a determination of probable cause. Many humans are caused by accident, but all accidents are caused by humans.
Cones mark body parts fyi
Air boss's fault.
Thank God it didn't happen right over the houses, still terrible tho
The little white flags 😔
These videos would give much more value with some narration. I would love to be that voice for you. Let me know.
My guy it's a B-Roll
@@Jetliner I understand, but wouldn’t it be great and educational to the aviation community to have an expert explain what they are doing at the scene over the b-roll? Go watch my videos and compare.
@@h.db.9684 ua-cam.com/video/xsASQ-ViKU4/v-deo.html
@@h.db.9684 I see. I don’t want to steal NTSBs footage without permission. Thanks for checking out my channel.
GIVE IT TIME !!!!
Well, that aircraft was there, but that aircraft was there too.
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There is a bubble turret on top a B-17 for a spotter. Five crew members but not one performing “see and avoid”.
When there are no hostiles in the area, it doesn’t seem necessary. The best way to avoid collisions is by careful management of the airspace.
Being the larger, slower, less maneuverable aircraft(B-17) I doubt a spotter would have time to recognize the danger, communicate it to the pilots, and have time for evasive maneuvers. Also the low altitude would make it difficult to make a hard dive and recover.
not going to help in this case. The P-63 would've needed the spotter.
We will never know what happened they won't either it will always be a ? Like many airliners that have went down same with some of are military planes they never have a answer except people are dead
We already know.... have to wait for the official answer....
This isn’t really a mystery. Many amateur and professional photographers attend this event. There are many more photos and videos that aren’t public. Many factors lead to accidents like this. One of the main goals of these investigations is to prevent a similar event occurring in the future.
The film doesn’t lie….with no less than hundreds of phone videos ….every angle possible ….the blind spot killed them ….they’ll punch in the numbers between vids and air boss recording …the dead need us to answer for their actions ….I think
Totally preventable, BAN ALL AIRSHOWS!
No accidents but gross miscalculations. Very tragic for the crew and unfortunate for the historic aircraft. The good, things will be learned which will improve airshow safety moving forward. The pilots/crew died doing what they were passionate about and loved as much as life. Stuff like this is dangerous and all were aware and flew knowing this. Hope to see these folks in Heaven soon and back on this earth after the Tribulation during Christ's Millennial Reign. Likely doing what they enjoyed once again.
Where's Jennifer ?? Being a licensed moped operator surely, she can contribute some valuable insight into this tragedy.
It's mostly been BuhBuhs and Chads. They're knowledge of 4wheeling and personal watercraft have been a Godsend in perspective.