Should YOU Buy Land as a HOMEBASE for Van Life?
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Been a nomad for about 8 years now just bought 10 acres in Mojave County for $650.00 down and $200.00 a month , love the property plan to make it base camp , has a decent road in no power , no water but can do rain harvesting and haul . I've been living with only solar all this time , I'm 73 and really looking forward to the challenge.
You are inspiring me. I love it
Awesome. 👍
I bought 2 600 W power boxes and a small solar panel just to learn from. I was thinking of trying to experiment with going off grid but I really do love having a refrigerator. What do you do to keep your food cool? Can you freeze your food? Also I'm not sure I could live without an air conditioner in our 90+ degrees June - Sept temps here at Sunset Beach, NC. Any ideas or advice would really be helpful to me. Thanks. I do have propane for winter heat.
joyce
@@joycehandersonfriends3225 you could make a root cellar to keep things over the winter I think
What area of Golden Valley did you buy in? What is the actual elevation of your property. I am looking for somewhere, GV is fine, that is in the 2,000 foot elevation, I need the lower area as I have lung cancer, thanks
Shelter idea: Buy 2 sea-land containers, place them about 30 feet apart and put a truss system on them with metal roofing. You have a drive in, drive out shady area, and a 46 x 40 rain catchment area without building a single wall or setting a single post. Add solar panels, and you have a colossal amount of electric.
I've seen similar structures in my area, but on commercial/industrial properties. I like the idea.
I like it, problem is theft and vandalism, can you protect w/ land mines?, live streaming video cameras?
@@trumpsAnti-Christs Your best defenses against that are location and concealment. Find an area with less theft/vandalism. Find a spot where your structure isn't visible from the road. Then, make access harder. Ditches, gates, boulders-keep unwanted vehicles from pulling right up to your structure.
What qbout bathing and a toilet?
@@pinkelefant4ever collect rainwater from the roof. Build an outhouse.
I have a small house as far south as you can get, on the east coast. And a house in the Pacific northwest. Small houses that are rented, with big yards. Renters know I will be occuping a portion of the yard 6 months of the year. It works out perfectly. I zig zag across this country seeing sights, meeting beautiful people and simply experiancing life. I hope someone gets inspiration from this post.
Wow! Now that is so smart!
Having a home base is a great ideafor all the reasons Bob gave but here’s another one: shring your home base with others. Imagine if a group of nomads each had a home base at different altitudes and latitudes. They could travel around to each other’s home base and benefit from the advantages of each, depending on the season. That would ensure some degree of security as there might be someone present for most of the year. And you would all benefit from having semi-permanent installations. No more wandering around wondering where you can camp, counting days…etc.
Thats an interesting idea. Each nomad could host a two week camp in or something like that. It could be a great way to help each other out with tough projects and a great way to make friends.
How would such a system deal with those who take more out of it than they put in? For example someone camps at a spot for six months and has no intention or is unable to leave.
Agreed. Having a like minded support group around you is always a good idea. No man is an island. One never knows when circumstances might change. There is safety in numbers.
@@kdegraa That's why each party needs to have some 'skin in the game'. It could just as well be YOU who could not 'move on' if health or mechanical issues arose.
At some point it WILL happen.. rigs get old, people get old, one needs to be ready for that inevitability. True friends WANT to help one another out... it's not always 'balanced' financially or itherwise. Chose your close friends WISELY.
If you approach it only as a business arrangement you could be disappointed.
I suppose one reason some camp grounds do not welcome rigs to stay that are over 10 years old do so for that very reason.
Excellent idea!
Couple of Rules regarding Real Estate from someone in it for over 40 years:
Trust No one when buying Real Estate.
If it ain’t in writing and signed, it ain’t the truth!
Verify Everything.
Visit the property....preferably multiple times at different times of the day/week... Noise, bad neighbors, barking dogs, area smells, ... show up at different times.
Hire an Attorney who knows the area and is focused on Your interests.
Be sure your Attorney knows what your short-term and long-term goals are.
Consider saying “Hello” to likely neighbors before your Deposit is non-refundable.
Be Well.
There are no neighbors out there, lol
So true !
Great advice
Get the property surveyed
Yes !!!
As for age, health and medical reasons for having land: One reason cheap land is cheap is that it's far from civilization and services - including medical services. Right now I'm with an ex-nomad friend living in a tiny town in southwest New Mexico. He's dealing with cancer, heart problems and a bad hip. The nearest medical services - which are limited and of dubious quality - are 20 miles away. There's talk of closing the hospital. All over the country they're having a hard time attracting and keeping doctors - particularly specialists - in rural areas. So you might want to think twice about spending your post-nomad years too remotely - especially where dirt roads might become impassible when you need them most. Don't let the price of the land be your only criteria.
Amen, I have friends with off-grid spaces and it's like a whole commitment not only to get to them, but to even run to a store for stuff after you get there. Once you're out on your off-grid land, you will still need stuff. So what's the tradeoffs to that cheap land? It's something to be considered, especially if you are looking into having something for retiring when your body doesn't work as well as it use to.
Agree. The older you get the closer to civilization I would think you would want to be. In fact, I could see living out of a van (near cities, etc) being better for you at old age than living on land way out in the middle of nowhere. Provided of course that you can still drive the van. Though, if you can't drive then that would be even more reason not to live way out there. The only exception maybe being that you are ready to die and don't care if hospitals, etc, are available.
Good rebuttal. Very realistic. 👍
I would add to balance between cost of land and maintaining reliable transportation and/or mobile liiving quarters. Chemo is usually followed by radiation treatment. Radiation treatment is 5 days a week for 4 weeks or more. Either you will be driving a lot (gas, maintenance, etc) or you will need mobile living quarters that is well maintained. I still think it's a good idea for most to own a little place to call home.
@@gw9502 I think my only thing would be do you need to ‘own’ (minus the endorphins associated with the idea of ‘ownership’) especially if this is something you are pursuing late in life and you either don’t have children or have grown children who have their own stuff and are self sufficient at this point anyway. If we are talking late in life, not to be grim, but in reality you don’t have time to dedicate to anything with long term payoff at this point. It’s one thing preparing for the future at thirty when you have a reasonable reason to believe you can live rough off land for a few years and build up, another that life just didn’t work out and you are now knocking on 70 with health concerns and low income. Do you really need to ‘own’ (especially raw land) or are there cheaper options and alternatives that still offer the security of a home base (such as senior housing) or home sharing of some sort with a family member even. And would be closer to resources you might need or want in your senior years.
I guess you could have called me a nomad until I got married at 45. I lived in 7 states from West Virginia to Hawaii for no less than 2 yrs. each. When ever I made a move I had guaranteed work, and liked the idea of feeling free to get up and go if I wanted to see a new place. I always had my fishing poles and a dirt bike in the back of my pickup here on the mainland, and did a lot of spear fishing and hunting on the big Island of Ha. I never lived in a big city. When my beautiful wife of 25 years passed on 9 yrs. ago I bought a place 6 miles from a V.A. medical facility. Its a small town I'm in, but has everything I need and within reach of the Minneapolis Metro. There's no way I could get back into the nomad life with my minor physical problems. I had my fun, now I'm kickin' back enjoying the memories in my little home. I just turned 79 in Feb. and like your channel a lot. Thanks, from Minnesota
Aloha, born and raised on the big island of Hawaii 💚
Ya know, I haven't figured my life out in my mid 20s and have been feeling pretty down about it lately. I venture out when I can, but I haven't reached my adventure peak yet. Your story of finding your wife later on in life (45 is probably young to you now, but it feels like eternity from my 20s perspective) gives me hope that I can still enjoy life and not worry that I have yet to find a true partner. There's still plenty of life after 40. Thank you.
Best wishes on your kickin' back. Hope you still get to enjoy the little adventures :)
@@madeleinec147 If you are happy staying single and want to see whats up out there before you settle down, just do it. You get to know people better that way, and when he comes along you'll know he's the right one for you! Best of luck. Enjoy Life!!
@@jadef6784 I stayed in Honokaa and Waimea. Worked on the Waikoloa Village Project in the 70's. How old are you bra?
Great fishing
I’m glad someone came out and said this. Human beings will eventually be drawn to a “familiar place”.
Never buy Arizona land site unseen. Make sure it is not land locked so can access it through a road. Also, I would recommend a title atty, usually a $100 fee, to make sure there no liens on the property.
Whenyou buy land like ghis do you have mineral rights
@marcella robinson
Our raw AZ parcel did NOT include mineral rights. Definitely something to look into.
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I have always thought about setting up a home base in Yuma area and one north for the summer months. Thanks for the advice.
And think about no water and no power on these lots which is very costly to put in.
And just like that, the price of land in Bobs town went through the roof! 🤣✌️
Checkout Cochise County, Arizona. They have an "Opt Out" home building program where you can build whatever you want and there are no building codes. You can live on your land in an RV while you build whatever you want (3-Story Tee-Pee= Ok with them). You need a septic system but they allow you to have a simple grey water drainage system and a composting toilet. You got Tombstone, Bisbee, Sierra Vista and Douglas in the county and be an hour or so drive to Tucson. Cheap medications and dental is just across the border. The Ocean in Rocky Point is 6 hours away. It's also high desert at 4,000 feet so fairly mild weather plus you can have a well at depths of 150 feet vs Northern Arizona where they are at 700+ feet deep.
How is SAFETY With all the hardcore “ Gottaways” plaguing our border states ?
Back in the 80’s I lived in Pine, Strawberry & Prescott Arizona… it was a different world back then
Now we’re hearing and seeing UA-camr nomads that LOVED Quartsite Arizona telling the truth on break ins and single women being attacked in their campers and vehicles they use to camp in
…. I love the little to no Zoneing ideas state to state as I have to reside in my motorhome while I build tiny home to homestead …. Just as a single person
Very concerned about the safety factor …. ( I have a faithful pup and am
Considering getting my permit to pack heat and we’re not talking canned ;)!
Sterno….
Si habla Español ???
I'll be 65 soon and I have lived within an hour of the Border or at the border all of my life. It's a very different place now than it used to be, and it will never be what it was again. I would feel just fine going over to Los Algodones on my own, been there so many times, that's where my favorite dentist is. But I would not venture as far down on the peninsula or especially on the mainland as I have before, and I would not even consider venturing over towards Juarez outside El Paso Texas, and that's where I grew up. Anyone who tells you that we do not have a border crisis going on doesn't know what they're talking about. I have lived it all my life. But these last four years are unbelievable. I have Hispanic friends that I have grown up with all my life, they're on my fb, and they hate what's happening at the border as much as anyone else and with great reason. What's happening in our country right now with these illegal immigrants is a slap in the face to their heritage, the people in their family who came to this country to build better lives for themselves and their families and did exactly that.
My only reason for bringing that up is to remind people that we do all need to be careful. And one of the best parts about being out here is all the people you will meet who will, if you're lucky, many will become part of your tribe. You don't even have to see each other all the time, but you still stay connected, you still know who you can call and who can call you. It's an absolutely wonderful life out here! My only regret is that I didn't start it when I was younger than mid 50s. But if you had told me 15 years ago that I would be doing what I'm doing right now, I would have thought you were nuts! 🥔🥔😂 But here I am, loving it!
I hope anyone and everyone who is considering this lifestyle will at least give it a whirl, you never know what you're capable of until you put yourself out there.
Happy trails to all! 💖
I keep thinking it would be great for a handful of people (who are responsible) to each buy land in different states, and share like a co-op situation, so you all agree that you can visit all of those pieces of land, so you have a handful of designated spots to park, without worrying about where to go.
I just read this post and "liked" it, then saw that I was the one who wrote it a year ago. Lol 😅❤❤❤
I've done that before!😂. But your comment really is a fantastic idea 💡
@@debbiedebbie9473I'm seeing it for the 1st time. I've thought alone similar ideas. Obviously I like it
@@debbiedebbie9473 I don't know you, but your comment just warmed my heart. Thank you.
I have some worthless land in Valencia Nm if anyone ever needs a place to park, it allows like 30 days a year I believe. Welcome to send coordinates. I’m heading that way soon as my time is running up here in fl
I totally want to be your neighbor and fight zombies with you 🧟♂
I bought a sweet little travel trailer in a 55+ RV Resort in Yuma. Cost me 4500 bucks. It has a 'throne' but no shower. Saw one the other day for 3K. My lot rent is only $300 month & includes water, sewer, trash, pool 24/7, unlimited showers, has laundry room AND nice folks. Very affordable, very safe, huge relief! NO PROPERTY TAXES just get a license for your trailer. Best deal going....
Is it ok for me to ask you the name of the place you live in? Thank you so much.
Oh and can you have a mini van instead of an evening?
* Instead of a RV?
I bought 2.08 acres about 3 miles from Concho, AZ. in Apache County for $3200. I will be going out there in the near future to homestead, it's doable.
Just checking in... are you now on your land in Apache County? Wondering how its going?
You be careful currently many druggies! Criminals. Yes. But drones in the last year has reduced crimes. It was so bad fir a while. It's a place to keep one eye open while sleeping. If off grid. Camera systems are wise and knowing a decent reliable neighbor. There are lots of new people moving in. Locals don't want concho growing too bad they can't stop growth. Some folks shooting at neighbors further out. Yes!! How do I know. I currently know two people being shot at. That has to stop !!
i just brought 50 AC land at 29 palms, CA. and this is my new base camp in my van life. price was $70K but i put $5K down and $800. per month. i just love it and now to start making it home - ee.... all i need is a girlfriend!
Being disabled and having a poor credit rating, my chances of buying a house with a mortgage are slim to none, and Slim just left town. But I'm not gonna let that stop me. My plan is to save up while being a nomad and buy some land in New Mexico so I can "camp" there in my van part of the year. Long term, I intend to save up some more and build a tiny home on the land. I can still travel if I want to, but I'd have a home to come back to. The only way I can do all this saving up of money is to live full time in my van and put away the money I'd be spending on rent. That's my version of the American dream at this point, and I'm fine with it.
My opinion is it’s never a bad idea to own land if you can afford it no matter if you’re a nomad or not. I’ve been trying to get my wife to sell our house and full time but I definitely wouldn’t be without a piece of property.
Agree. It's never a bad idea to own land.
Smart man!
Property ownership is a mixed bag. We all grew up hearing about the American dream. I personally have owned property since 1980. I’ve also sold properties I’ve owned for profit. Often people don’t realize the cost associated with property ownership. In doing so they also don’t get the real picture of cost of ownership. Interest paid is huge cost, property taxes are also expensive, some have HOA fees, then maintenance expenses should also be included in cost of ownership. This can significantly decrease profit. Fortunately I have owned my homes free and clear since 2000 but I still need to budget for other cost that would not be their if I was renting. Just saying be sure to include all cost when making your decision.
@@TomBTerrific Yes. True.
Just sold mine yesterday! Official Nomad it is!
We were stuck in Williams for a week, no Uber no Lyft, just one guy full of stories that offers local rides. We were stuck there in a big snow storm(s). Our F-150 transmission backed down in gears on a climb with a huge truck behind my wife, we were very lucky very fortunate.
Owning land also ties you down, so keep in mind ownership responsibilities and maintenance. I own 45 acres, which I rent out a portion of for hay/pasture. If your not there squatters can move in, municipality can assume its abandoned, etc. Any buildings add responsibility.
If you pay taxes on the property can the municipality consider it abandoned?
excellent point for those with large acreages.
Remember the 2nd
Never a bad idea to own land - a home base can be a place to recharge, fix your rig or ride out a crisis.
Good idea
@@eckankar7756 lol😂😂😂😂
So Well Said!! 👍🏾
"WOLVERINES!!!"
If you're rigs broke, how will you get there?
When buying land make sure your roads to your land is not privately owned if the plot is surrounded and closed off by other plots.
If it is not there is usually an easement.
Land locked property definitely needs to be discussed with surrounding property owners on terms of access if possible....
Also look for liens/back taxes
As I recall, they have to let you use that road.
@@zedmak an easement is no guarantee of ongoing access. If the landowner upon which the easement is located decides to restrict access, you'll need to take them to court. If someone tries restricting access on a public road, that's the county's problem.
Many people live in constant worry of their neighbors. They can often be source of great concern.
Thank you for this educational post.
Just to echo Bob’s comment on the local government. They may have one set of rules about rv parking, such as Bob described. But once you start putting in anything that meets that counties description of a “structure” or especially a “dwelling”, off you go. So if you want to spend money improving the land, even with a road, do your homework so you don’t have issues.
You can store supplies on raw land without a building by burying supplies in the ground. Cache the supplies in airtight containers. Uncover the top of the container, remove the lid, pull out whatever you stored, leaving the container itself buried. Food, water, tools, fuel/solar, clothing, seeds, money/precious metals... Just be sure to mark the spot in some unobtrusive way so you can find it again. Need more storage? Bury more containers.
Maybe plant edible plants that self seed or come back yearly, perhaps Amaranth, that can thrive at your location unattended. Look up local wild edibles and pick something appropriate.
Raw land can be a boon for creative nomads.
Quit thinking of having so much stuff. Go small. Find a place to safely obtain water.
@@travelswithrickandzeb725 In my defense, I'll point out that most of the "stuff" I listed were items a prepper (or anyone paying attention to current events) might stock as a buffer for hard times, not so much luxury items like furniture or decorations. I mentioned them because Bob has done videos on keeping extra shelf stable foods on hand for hard times and a piece of land offers a way to have any number of preps on hand without cramming a vehicle full necessities, sould problems arise in our food distribution chain or shipping system that cause shortages for a period of time.
Or, if one wanted to camp on that land without having to leave to resupply for a few weeks or longer, having a cache or two might allow that, too.
While you may see no benefit or value in having access to extra necessities, you can rest assured there are other nomads who will. My post was for anyone who might be interested, for whatever reason they choose.
Why bury supplies when you could bury the building with supplies in it?
Bunker time!
@@lordmalachi6 I like the way you think, though that would require more work.
another great thing you can do with Nomad neighbors is to look out for each other and stay home every 2-6 months while your neighbor travels and vice versa.
Being in a remote location like that means you absolutely must have reliable transportation. The smallest thing can leave you stranded a long way from assistance and while there is always someone willing to help for a fee the cost will be ridiculously high. Also you better be very resourceful and willing to endure significant hardship to live there for any length of time. Unless you are extremely anti-social a better solution would be to find 5-10 other nomads and buy a 4-5 bedroom house on an acre or so in a small town of 5000-10000. You can take turns coming home to recharge, work on your vehicle, etc. Most small communities will have either a Walmart or a Dollar store plus Amazon and Walmart will deliver there as well. If the apocalypse does come you have a much better chance of surviving in a functioning community than on undeveloped land far from food and water. FYI .. if the zombies are the future zoning laws will be the least of your worries.
a timeshare?
Eastern Oregon, near Klamath Falls, has some great deals like that, with financing. Water, as in well water, could be very good to nonexistent, depending on where you are. Lots more trees than on your property, but lodgepole and the like, not heavily forested like the western part of the state. Enough sun for solar. Good social services because it's Oregon. Not as hot in Summer as Rogue Valley. Con is it gets cold in the winter, and depending on where you are, can be hella far from anything. Just putting that out there.
Thanks for that information.
So funny you bought land there, I live in Ashland Oregon and my ex bought land for $3000 a few years back out of Grand Canyon Junction, lives in a tent has water tanks, so water is delivered, and said it gets pretty windy, has one nice shade tree to sit under, has gravel driveway and build a fence around the property, does random work for folks in the area and can now breath much easier, cause Oregon's winter dampness was casing severe respiratory problems.
I think it’s important to mention that local ordinances can specify what you can and cannot do on your land. Many places restrict you from having a tiny house for example. Just something to bear in mind when deciding to purchase.
FAR TOO MANY do. its stupid in most places... zoning? who the hell cares.... theres nobody for miles
A little point about water on your land: you can dramatically improve the retention of water on land, even flat land like that, by slightly intervening with a shovel. The more water you retain, the more organic material goes into the soil, and the more water it will retain.
I just bought two acres in California City and it was the best investment of my life. I live there in my RV No Stress and a very bright future
I was looking into land in California City recently and one of my questions was if they would allow someone to live in an RV. I also had questions about the crime rate, but sounds like it's not too bad.
Sounds heavenly
A friend of mine had a little land in the middle of nowhere and he put a boat on it. Thieves took it apart to the extent of ripping out little parts like rivets for the metal. Something to consider if you are going to leave any kind of structure completely isolated for long periods with no neighbors anywhere who would notice.
My first thought would be setting up something underground, but I doubt they let you dig very deep? Not sure?
@@jesshurley6407 you would have to take digging into your land selection especially in the southwest states, much of the land is shallow before bedrock. Going deeper becomes costly but the cooling/heating neutralization in high/low desert would be fantastic.
@@HeatGeek1 good ideas. Another one is to place a tiny house or trailer on the property and allow a care provider to live free (minus utilities) to watch the property and items inside pole barn or similar structures with camera system. There are many horror stories of entire cabins and their contents missing while left vacant on rural, private properties. Many communities will not let you “camp” on a vacant lot you purchased and pay taxes if no hookups exist.
@@jesshurley6407 But do be sure to check what sort of soil the lot has and how deep it is. There's a lot of caliche in the Southwest. Not fun to dig in unless you enjoy digging in concrete. Also, be sure to check the flood maps before buying or you may end up with land that gets cut off by or is in the middle of an arroyo.
You need good neighbors 100%. As much as I dislike folks, there is no question, you need good folks to watch your back and it feels good to watch theirs. There is a saying I like: if you want to go fast, go alone, but if you want to go far, stick together.
As gas costs have gone through the roof imagine a lot more people are looking at having a place to park the vehicle.
A few alternatives to a conex to avoid the vandalism problem would be keeping a loaded trailer in storage that you can tow to your land while you are occupying it, or a storage unit that can house your supplies that you can load into your van while occupying your property.
Thanks looking into that trailer to store. I was considering simply storage but that trailer makes for a quick pick up and go. I may do both idk.
Yeah. I did that too. But in Arkansas, where it is green and beautiful and lots of water... Cheap living and tiny taxes
Same here. i got 4 lots conjoined on a pond overlooking a golf course in an area with a private airstrip! 2000 down 400 month ( taxes on it all are 300 a year and i can camp 90 days a year or develop ... unreal!
Important video, Bob. Two things, shipping containers are often used for pesticides and other toxic materials. If nomads want to purchase one, make every effort to find one that will not make you sick. Two, many rural parcels have no address assigned. If you find land you like be sure it has a legal address.
As for desert gardening it can be done in containers, where you might need less pricey soil than upgrading a big plot of clay. Galvanized steel rusts, and if you use pallets for anything get the ones used for food transport. The other pallets are loaded with pesticides. Some may not care about toxins but they can creep up on your health.
Good video, I've been searching for a home base myself. And creating community is an excellent idea, bringing support and varied skills together.
Good points!
@Kathleen Dittmer - Do you think it would be possible to have a reliable mobile hot spot internet on a piece of land like this in AZ? Also, I'm wondering if there would even be cell phone service. It could be risky for an older person to be out there by themselves too long without an ability to call for help.
When I bought acreage it had no address. I had to go to the county to get a 911 address assigned. It wasn't a big problem.
@@rwspal Glad you got address in your county. My msg is a heads up. People should ask the county (not the realtor) about that before they buy.
Where I bought west of Bob they won't assign address until you get a build permit
GREAT INFO.....I WISH I COULD HAVE DID THIS 40YR AGO. ON SSDI AND NEED LOTS OF DR NEAR ME. BUT MY HEART IS WITH ALL OF YOU GUYS OUT THERE....PEACE
I can handle boondocking and living off grid while on the road. But when I go to my home base I want creature comforts. City water, sewer and electricity. My home base is a condo on lake Erie that I've owned for 40 years. Renting out my boat dock pays the condo fees and most of the taxes. I rent it for a few weeks in the summer to pay the rest of the taxes and part of the utilities. I'm currently living in the condo because of health problems. Probably won't get back traveling to March or April.
Good idea if you're healthy......😊
Great advice. I have been saying this for many years. The real issue is finding land in this country near a place that you enjoy that isn't regulated to the point of making the land unusable. Based on experience, I can verify that once you put up any kind of building (shed, tiny house, garage, etc.), several things happen. 1 - Maintenance is required on a regular basis. Letting any type of building stand unattended is a really bad idea as I learned the hard way. 2 - Finding affordable land in a desirable area is more difficult than you may think. Finding cheap land in very rural areas and more undesirable areas is much easier, but don't think it is simple. I first purchased land that I consider affordable, but the medical service was worse than a vet clinic. Long story short, finding a small piece of land that is near a desirable area that is not heavily restricted is not an easy task.
All these people worry about medical service all the time. Stop living in fear. The whole country was settled by pioneers who had no medical service at all. Tons of them lived into their 90s. Stop eating whatever you're eating that's causing you to have such problems and just live your life. We're the first generation that feels like we have to live within 5 minutes of a doctor. It's ridiculous.
It can also raise your yearly property tax so high it's not feasible. Location and research is crucial.
The goverment makes sure its a very difficult task if not impossible. It only happens in the US, so you know its by design.
@@yougeo It's not "living in fear", it's being sensible. It's rather silly to forego something readily available that will keep you healthy just to "act tough and fearless". The irony of your comment is that the fear of being perceived as "fearful" is worse than a reasonable fear based on an actual risk to your life. So many health risks can be avoided just by having regular checkups. Think "stitch in time". Just like maintaining your car. Do you call it "fearful" when someone takes their car in for a tune-up or oil change, or have the brakes checked, etc??
Do you think the pioneers would have snubbed access to modern medical care if it was easy to obtain? As for your "tons of them lived into their 90's", statistics don't bear that out. They were the exception, not the rule - average life expectancy was around 40 in the mid-1800's.
I would agree with you that people need to be sensible and balance their healthcare needs against other factors and priorities, but the tone of your comment to not be concerned about it at all is just plain foolhardy.
@@yougeo Totally agree with you.
Cochise county has what is called a “Opt out” permit process which allows you to build without all the permits you normally would in most other states and counties. I’m going to purchase 10-20 acres and build a tiny home 🏡
Be careful where you buy, water table is dropping and wells are drying up! Land may be cheaper in Cochise but no water isn't going to help you survive. If you try rain water harvesting, good luck! Arid a lot of the months. Humidity is low. Build a huge roof to catch the rain and barrels to store.
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My Aunt and Uncle lived there the last day s of their lives *(Dragoon))i think the name oif the town ,,being an iowa farm boy he would take his pickup truck pick up donkey and burro dropping as fertilizer he had the greenest acre with grass trees vegetables ,,pretty soon all the other retiree s hired him to do their yards ,,,,NO LAND IS WORTHLESS liked Cochise county God bless
@@suzanneweitzel8969 i was watching frugal off grid and he uses water catchment and is able to have enough water for him and his animals. He has a small farm. Crops too. Just catching rain water. He's in the same area. Around Tucson
@@jasonpolk3491 cochise has a lot of beautiful places. If you have a good plan and money to back it, you definitely can do rain harvesting and also solar. The wind where I am will whip through the mountains. One Easter it came through here at a 91 mile gusts! Even sierra vista had to shut down the Easter parade due to the overnight damage! It moved my corral panels! Wild! If you wanna grow, check the land. I do tanks as the rocks and gophers were horrible. Maybe hydroponics is an option. Anyways, cochise is a beautiful, but it definitely needs some creative work in some areas! 🤠
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Being "off grid" it is essential to be as invisible as possible -- flush with the existing topography. First dig out a space for your vehicle, then over time connect a dug out/buried shed or even a dug out/buried cabin. Digging isn't easy especially in a rocky environment, but the reward for the effort is few if anyone would know you existed making security less of a problem. Further benefits of being dug in is no wind to contend with, not much concern for wild fires, or wildlife either. Year round temp underground would naturally be between 80F in the summer, 50F in the winter.
Water catchment is essential, but rather than an above ground shack like you mentioned, consider grading your land in such a way so you can bury drainage tubes making the total land you have into one big catch basin capable of topping off just about any sized water tank you could afford. It wouldn't require much solar to power a slow pump to constantly aerate, filter and recycle the stored water reducing or eliminating the need for decontaminating stagnate water since it would be kept fresh.
And, if you want to get fancy... There are inexpensive sensors that will tell you up to the second how much water you have, the pH, how pure the water is, how much water is being used and can tell you if any systems have failed all using the internet or satellite signals. Love your channel... keep it up! Eventually I'll be out there with you!
Are you Burt Gummer?
I was thinking the same thing… go to ground, become one with your environment. Hide, basically. That way potential thieves will drive right by.
Atlas Survival Shelter. Not cheap; but would work for this application if you have the financial means.
@@deepsea5107 that is doable on a shoe string if your resourceful.
@@deepsea5107 That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about for the living portion of the plan -- Thank you for bringing this to my attention!! A really really fancy and complete version of what I was envisioning. Imagine having this combined with a hide-a-way garage in the middle of nowhere but still being able to store/collect/filter rain water, a bit of solar, maybe a TESLA power wall if we want to get really fancy... instant leviable abode for years!
There are cheap lots in RV friendly Kane county Utah that allow you to live in an RV for 6 months a year and that works out good to live there in the summer and then go south for the winter. RV friendly counties are quite rare.
Thanks for the land ownership considerations and the zombie apocalypse humor.
Come visit me Kay tee 😁
If too afraid of leaving the shipping container you could store everything in a trailer and pay a storage lot. Hopefully they have some security. When you come to town hook up the trailer and go to your home base.
Excellent idea
Bingo..
Bob has a video about an RV park in Arizona that is even cheaper than a storage lot!
Until a private investor buys it and Jack's the rent up because they know it's very difficult for RV and other people owners to move. It's happening all over.
I was looking for such a thing near my major city. No dice. At all.
I think you'd have to find a factory or something and do that.
I think owning is always a good idea. Either a home on land, or a piece of land. Very good ideas given.
Another thing... Good neighbors don't necessarily stay that way either!
This idea is based on the concept that has already made this an inhospitable society: Rugged Individualism.
It's all about those with the means protecting themselves. Those on the bottom of the ladder shoved out, forgotten.
I'd dig something underground for hidden storage. Dig it a little at a time and cart away the dirt.
Right?! I always think about small underground area. I think Leathal Weapon 1-Mel Gibson had an emergency drop under his trailer-I would be able to drop into a hidden shelter. 😉🤣
An interesting business model for someone retired would be to create a commune for nomads where a large piece of property is bought, and each investor has a percentage. Often larger tracts of land are less money on a square footage basis. This would create instant community and buyers could be vetted. Pooling limited resources with a common community of like-minded people would help with security and improvements. You have over half a million subscribers. You are perfectly positioned to orchestrate this and draw a small salary as a manager. A condominium association where the condos are on wheels. A RV park where the user is the owner. One part "time share" one part "condo association". one part "RV park" Perfect for people on limited resources.
BobVille.
Thats sounds like a great idea! Im in if you decide to do it Bob!
There's always great power in unity. Someone need to take initiation with group of people. I am in.
I offered that on this channel 3 times in past. Not 1 person contacted me.
@@HidingFromStupid I'm not sure the channel would reach the people you want. A "Go Fund Me" type of scenario where the funding buys a percentage of ownership may work. A cross between time share, crowd funding and Airbnb.
Even the carnies used to go to Florida in the off-seasons.
The two words you used, regulations and restrictions. They can always change and I have to have the money to respond to those changes. If I am gonna bother to own land, for me personally I think always "why not look at a small house or cabin?" For me raw land seems more trouble then it's worth and in more of the US then not, there are a ton of rules about it. And since it's Raw land, I'd still have to do all the off grid chores without electricity and water lines run to the property. Which is not something I'd want to do as I age. At the end of the day I'm just me, I'm not a family. I'd rather rent a place to park from someone else with property and/or a home who has full house facilities (maybe that person is a friend, where I am staying now in my rig for work I've pretty much been offered the chance to rent at reasonable cost in future). If I have a spot big enough to house my rig that I can either pay or barter use from while still having a drivable home, I prefer that. Unless I get full incapacitated and unable to drive, I can always end a rent situation. I do not want to built a house on Raw land. There's way tooo much money and resources and clearing local codes involved. Renting is as much a legal homebase as anything else if I truly needed it for a bit and and I can drop a rent situation as needed as long as I have a home on wheels.
Buying land and building up off-grid isn't a bad idea. I just have no interest in the kind of work involved to get there. And I am living pretty well without owning land. I think it you have a family or you have a specific community you've united and connected with (as I feel Bob has in Arizona) it's not a BAD idea. Just not for me. Hopefully if age catches up with me, I'll have the funds for a senior apartment as those are dirt cheap comparatively. And in whatever time is left at that point I won't have to tend to land, which just does not appeal to me.
Love Bob, but his plan is pie in the sky.
I agree! We all have such a short time on this earth its ashamed to waste it buying into that crap!
A senior apt I noticed the other week in a small town north central Texas 900 a month. Sounds like a huge chunk of a social security budget to me. For forty plus years I dreamed of a small chunk of land in Texas. Guess what it looks real bad for the home team, (me). Price of land is skyrocketing and “OSSF” looks like a serious issue looks like my “rinu” friends may have done me in once again. But I have not given up yet.
@@jbman413 I’ve seen them way cheaper then that. Also, if I would only do it if the body was failing. Otherwise I wanna stay on wheels, not stay still. But if the body is failing and I can’t do things like I use to, the last thing I want is Raw land. The price of a senior living community is worth the security of the community at that point.
While I agree with you regarding a lot of places having too many laws and restrictions imposed upon raw land ownership, I don’t agree with you about the statement of senior apartments being comparatively cheap. Many senior apartments can be pricey, depending upon the location. Most places in California are well over $1500-2000 or more per month for a 1 bedroom if you want to live in a decent area. Most seniors on fixed incomes cannot afford this.
You sold me on the concept! The comments brought me back down to earth.
Obviously, with anything... doing your research is key. Planning for your situation at the moment, but anticipating what might be next .... also important.
Thanks everyone for the helpful tips! Thanks Bob for opening up the conversation.
I used to live in AshFork, AZ... Just west of Williams. lots of 40 acre parcels available in that whole I-40 corridor.
I hope you are still doing well and things are going good for you. be safe
At this point in the world, a zombie apocalypse wouldn’t even surprise me! Thanks for sharing this info! 🙂
Are you sure it isn't already happening? I mean, there are definitely some brain dead people roaming around.
At this point, I think I’d consider it a relief 😂
@@zachparade2791 Right!! 😂
I've seen a couple of them already.
Can't wait for the zombie apocalypse
Well done. One other disadvantage that's important, is that you will have a very tough time selling it. It could take years to sell.That's why it's $2k. Spending $20-50k on land with no utilities. It's doubtful you will get your money back when you go to sell or be able to sell it quickly in an emergency. Just something to keep in mind.
If you own land and go away from it once in a while, dig a big hole in a secret area on your property to store your valuables while you are away. Don't mark the secret spot or put anything on it that will attract attention.
Buy two lots side by side, then park your camper right on the center line between both lots, this way your 6 months on one lot, and 6 months on the other lot, without having to move your camper.
Also, you should buy 1 solor panel per month, until you get the amount of electricity you need for all of your needs, and you could also put a large rain barrel catch on the lot, that come off of your solor panel bank. 🤠👍
Wondering if one can find and buy a ghost town like an old mining town and create tiny homes size mini lots. It would be more suitable for older nomads.
That is a good idea.
That is a great idea, but I feel like the trend in the states, as home ownership becomes more like a dream to people than a reality, these towns and counties are enacting regulations that are hostile to creative solutions to this mess.
I seen that in certain places. You can be the Mayor even if you are the only person who lives there
Check out Cerro Gordo on YT. He has an old silver mine. Very interesting.
need to be by a hospital
I am wanting to do the same. Have a home base (at least two acres with a shop to grow some food, harness solar and collect water) and be full time in the ambulance/camper. Thanks for the inspiration, Bob
The state of Virginia doesn't allow RV living on your own land. Can you imagine. Ambulance Is already built out. For me that's the way to go too
@@Graymanvanlife When people tell you voting is not important. Remember what you just typed. This is not any type of political admonishment. Just the facts when it comes to liberty...
In the applachias people live in their RV's out in the boonies
I have seen many articles of people squatting on that type of land. How do you protect it? How do you keep theft from happening from anything you install?
@@cheri6174 I was thinking the same thing too. I know the police can take squatters from a private business. I was thinking of starting a LLC and putting up a sign on the property, so if squatters attempt to, you know, squat. The police can arrest them instead of having to evict them.
I’m looking at Seligman Az. My buddy bought 12 beautiful acres in the mountains for $20k. He had a pad grated for $500 and put his old 30ft travel trailer on it. He’s got solar brings in his own water and will be putting in septic soon.
Second comment. It's best not to make a lot of changes to the property. Don't make any permanent changes or install any in-ground foundations. If you buy a storage shed whether for shed use or tiny house use, have it up on cement blocks. A foundation drastically increases the taxes that you pay. I would buy an underground shelter for severe weather. Of course that would not be movable, but it only has to be enough for you and your significant other and your pets. They can be really small because you're just there for the duration of the storm, not for days on end.
Land and precious metals are essential while on this earth. If one purchase land be sure to bring the land patent forward. That way it’s your private property and not the townships. I won’t get in to that here but I suggest due diligence on this subject. I may have mentioned that to you while you were here in Pahrump. It was very nice meeting you in person and having face to face chats. Take care my friend. Malama kou kino.
What you're not mentioning is if you are in an isolated area, or even if you are not, vandalism is almost inevitable. I speak from personal experience, after losing my home in a canyon to an arson set wildfire. If it couldn't be stolen it was vandalized.
Damn that’s horrible
He mentioned it at 11:27
@@mjb0500, thanks, I missed that-
I've been watching a great channel out of Canada for about as many years as I've been watching Bob. This guy started off with a cabin and, wow, did his off-grid, self-reliant homestead grow! So did his viewing audience. Bob, you just announced your next phase--building your homestead. 🙂
i would like to see that. do you have a link?
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That's one of his vids, which will take you to My Self Reliance (the name of his channel). Happy viewing. 😊
@@tracimcmurray5244 cool, thanks!
Oh yes, the land of the free. Some places one cannot harvest rain water, other places one needs a permit, pay the government, to use their own land for an RV. If these things don’t anger you, you probably voted these restrictions and over regulatory things into being. Nice video, thanks for the tips.
Howdy! Just a few hours drive away from my ranch, I own 6 land lots. I bought my first land lot in 2015. Traveling around the USA and abroad is totally awesome. However, there's nothing like camping on my own land with my truck and travel trailer. Being one with nature and wildlife brings me peace of mind. I don't mind admitting to you, Folks ... I mean, I just couldn't buy that level of serenity in the big city.
It’s my absolute dream. and knowing myself, when I set my mind/heart on something, I make it happen! It’s just a matter of time. I can’t wait. Plan to build a bunch of eco homes and rent some affordably for “starving artists” and some on AirBnB for more income. But mostly just create a really rad, deeply conscious community of likeminded folks.
Something like that I think you just need to start small or you may never get started. I didn't do anything like that but I did have a few homes at one point. I started by buying just one... I barely was able to do so. Then when I moved I rented that one out. Then when I moved again I rented that one out also. It took me about 10 years to get to that 3 house mark. However, at that point I had enough collateral and good credit that I could have doubled that number in half the time. While I did consider it, owning a bunch of houses was never my thing/goal. I only did it to build equity, etc. Which did make me a nice profit. However, I like keeping my life nice and relaxed and owning a bunch of rental properties isn't that...lol.
I lived in New Mexico many years; man, I miss those views and the Big Sky! I can see how much you help people - Good on You!
Wow that’s great, I live in the Carolina’s now but I used to homestead 80 acres in the white mountains of AZ. I knew it was what it was the second I seen it. I miss it lol
I bought land in Liberty Texas which has no restrictions.
How much land? and what is a going rate there?
@@mikek.9980 I purchased .29 acres. I paid a little under 10,000.
How much did it cost?
Full disclosure im not a nomad or van lifer or any of that
However I was seminomadic in my twenties. Always had the old homeplace to come back to if needed. Still own it. Trust me having a place to go to is a great idea.
It’s perfectly natural and healthy to want to be near the village healers especially if one is injured or afflicted. Even if we live in an advanced medical state which can be corrupted, that desire never goes away. Diet and exercise is good armor but also plenty healthy villagers still get sick or hurt for the long term. No shame in hanging close by a talented local healer or herbalist in whatever form you need to live better.
Great idea. I'm just trying to find a cheap RV/travel trailer to buy to get started. I've gotten priced out of my apt & I'm 72. There are NO affordable Sr. Complex's that don't have 3+ yr waiting lists.
It's just crazy right now.
Ya, we are getting priced out too down here in South Florida.
I am finding that all over the country as I am in Florida right now. Rents have doubled in most cases. I feel for the people as I feel their pain when they tell me their stories. Just check out the increased population through-out our great country of homeless where people are forced to live in their cars and on the street. Our priorities have changed. We no longer care about each other in a country that has plenty. Do Lives Really Matter? Angelo Darin
@@ridelocalride the movie Nomadland is really true. I'm coming to learn that in a very personal way. I wouldn't be able to travel with my rig, I found one & bought it, due to my vehicle BUT I do have a home & met some super new neighbors.
@@ridelocalride That's what happens when capitalism becomes attacked and you start caring more about those outside your country than you do those inside.
I love you so much, Bob, but I have to say this: in many states, raw land is not granted a legal address. For instance, I own a 28 acre lot in Northern Nevada off I-80. It is in Pershing County. I requested a legal address and was told I had to get an electricity meter and a structure before I could get an address assigned. It's very good to know about Apache County, AZ. Thank you for that. Again, you and your channel are a blessing to me. I pray often for you and our community of Ol' Hippies. LOL. 💖💕💜💯👍😁
Huh. No mail sounds good to me. Lol.
I can imagine it can be a lot more costly than one would of thought. Thanks for the information
What kind of structure. Does it have to be a house. If not maybe just put a shed on your land with power to it. Then put in for an address.
If the containers are safe to secure things. Bury your valuables. And leave the container unlocked.
Hello Keith how are you doing😊
Personally.. I can't imagine not having a 'home base' if I were a full time RV'r if at all possible.
The pressure of constantly HAVING to 'move on' even if serious health issues were to arise, or maybe you just needed a break from the road, and you're just dreading that 'knock' on the door, that would be aweful.
Having a little safe haven where no one can kick you out .. just in case you ever get old, or whatever... might be a wise plan... while you still have some choices.
True a home base is called "Home Sweet Home" What do you think?
Honestly I would rather buy a lot just outside a town that has services even if it costs more. Build a small "shop" with a bathroom/shower since you should have city sewer/water/power.
If you are REALLY spendy you can make the building big enough to park inside - but the main thing is to not have to worry about black tanks. If you pick the right place your neighbors will keep an eye on things for you. (they will if you pick the "wrong" place too, of course)
ALSO you need to see restrictions on septic systems.... some require you to tie into city/county sewer system with a meter. Some counties also require you to be hooked up to city/county water system with meter too..
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Wow ! Fantastic video ! Bob you are so lucky that you could buy land for 2000 dollars. I live in Israel and for one Acre you pay at least 25000 dollars which is insane. My dream is to own a piece of land one day so I can garden and build a little homestead.
One thing I’ve noticed on land prices in the past few years. Former land isolated from utilities and shopping is now selling for really big money!
Buying land is a great idea, but buying land in a place where there it doesn't rain enough to sustain you (let alone grow food) doesn't sound like a good idea. Depending on government to supply something as important as WATER, is not the best of plans. The 8 acres I own north of Hilo on the big Island get well over 100 inches of rain a year spread out over the year. The growing season is year round. Never gets warmer than mid eighties and never gets cooler than low sixties. Home is 100% off grid with solar and catchment water. Land is not cheap, but at least it will sustain you.
The biggest issue making me procrastinate buying an acre or two in AZ or NM is the issue of restrictions. Some places don't allow any camping or limit it to two weeks per year or a month. Some places don't appear to have any restrictions. Some have restrictions but don't seem to enforce them, but who knows when they might decide to start cracking down.
I don't know if I'd see it as a potential "settling down" option for when I'm too old to nomad anymore. Being remote might not be the best strategy when it gets harder to drive. I've read a little bit about very affordable assisted living in Mexico which might be a better solution.
Where in Mexico? Ajijic area?
@@tomking5358 Yes that's where the place I read about is located, though I'm guessing there may be others in other locations. Fortunately I'm not in any rush to figure it out ...... yet.
@@tomking5358 what kind of cost was ? Do you know? Do they have assisted living? Very interesting! Our long term care has gotten so expensive and subpar
then build a house. not hard.
You may stay on BLM land for up to 14 days per stay. Some locations have a fee, others not (and there are sometimes just a few miles apart, plenty in NM or AZ). I know folks that plan there are vacations visiting them.
I did the same thing, got an acre in New Mexico and love it
Hello how are you doing😊
Doing good, been running around in my old class b campervan today. Don't live in it but it fun
You're the best Bob!
We are buying some land out there later this year.
You and your channel, the community in the comment section, have all helped us learn so much along the way.
I'm certain we'll continue to learn, and hopefully give back to the community as well.
Great job!
One thing I think should be mentioned is the importance of a water source. That could be a well, a water delivery service, or rainwater capture. Lots of land is available inexpensively that is dry. But to live on a property you really need reliable water, and that raises the cost of the property quite a bit in the southwestern USA. Rainwater capture is not particularly reliable in the southwest USA, especially now in our long drought.
Look into "air wells". If they can work in the Sahara desert for thousands of years they can work in the southwest USA.
Tree rings tell the SW history of 200 years of rain and then 1k years of drought & fires. We just ended the 200 years of rain.
From Honduras ❤️ Your 🐕 is a real Explorer always exploring mean while you are doing the videos 😂❤️🐕
Sounds like a fabulous idea. Unfortunately I'm in the UK and here land is very, very expensive and you can't even automatically camp on your own land here 😕
you can't camp on your land in most of the United States, either.
Time to move. When enough do, stuff changes.
Best decision I ever made .
Bought land .
I have a permanent place. That's mine . Taxes are $200 year .
Thanks Chief , Great information
Perfect spot for the full timer, great plan with city services less than an hour away. Thanks for the info Bob.
Thanks for another good video. As a transplanted California guy and a retired realtor of 42 years I would lower the expectations and think long and hard. Example there is a video Newbees to Arizona that is also food for thought to help in a more rounded look. When I moved 32 years ago from California it was exciting but the first two years a challenge and culture shock. Beware the "grass is not always greener" on the other side. Many considerations and like you said Bob #1 is what is legal regarding zoning that needs a serious look.
For me the mindset of people and the laws/customs of the area we're by far the hardest change. Attaching yourself to property is easy but also might be a surprise in "what have I done".
Thanks Bob for food for thought and being prepared for the inevitable Old Age.
Hello Harold how are you doing😊
Reasonable taxes is key, in my opinion. It's not the only thing to consider, and Bob did a beautiful job covering them. Where I live, property taxes are getting ridiculously high and municipal services (police primarily) are worse than they've ever been.
You are right. Property Taxes are a “necessary evil”. All keep increasing for less..
Great info as always!
I agree that buying land is a great idea but due diligence is key. I've had some contact with online land sales but I'm not a fan of that option. Just my personal perspective.
Its best to deal with local realtors. They know what's available as well as restrictions. There are realtors that specialize in rural land and can set you up with sellers and such. Make sure that you buy sufficient area to have a septic system and water well if that is your plan.
One Size does Not fit all.
I've been a full-timer yrs ago, traveled 48 states plus Canada & AK twice, I've owned property & lived in 6 different states, currently on mini ranch in SW.. Its endless hard work owning land however I 💘 country life. Then there comes advanced age when its not easy or possible for a solo gal to keep up. I haul & stack wood pellets by ton ect...
Now travel in my new RV is not really a good option either - I live in some of the best free camping / Wilderness area so Why go except short visits.
I'm only 20 miles from sm town (10,000 pop.) On a paved road - long trip to drive ones self to ER, but I have. Moving to town is Not an option nor living in RV park. Tooo Close. I 💘 peace -quiet.
Is it possible to have interested RVers come for Test Visit to see what Off Grid living might be like - for short stay (Ruffin it!??) I'm Not off grid but one can get the actual experience without land purchase risk etc...
Bottom line is RV life is not for everyone - Same as living remote on miles of dirt / muddy roads either.
Spending $$$ on remote land May not be the best idea either. It may all sound SO intriguing / However..
I lived on a ranch Off Grid with muddy roads ect for 11yrs so while it was OK for me -
I doubt it is for the majority..
Thats how I got a good deal ($$$) on a ranch once ' former owner forged ahead blindly then sold cheap - that was 1973 on 1500 acres near the western White 🏠..
If cheap land today sounds too good to be True - Maybe it is.😏
AZ was the first place I lived
In the SW 🇺🇸... - it was July 1959 & no AC in the car 😑 whoopee... much prefer high country - til winter... I learned a lot from my mistakes & know that Most people prefer to make their Own. 😇🥰🤣
Great video Bob! Rain catchment is the hurdle to cross for comfortable off grid living in that neck of the woods and it can be done using roof catchment for household water and using retention basin catchment for irrigation and septic system water. Grey water can be used for irrigation and septic system water also. I'd avoid putting structures on the property unless you plan on living there year round or have a caretaker because it will get ransacked if you leave for more than a month.
I was thinking if I could find a trustable snow lover we buy land together and summer/snow bird swap,then someone would always be on the property....🤔😊
👍I’m glad you finally decided to tell the truth.👍💖
Great info Bob!!