No, poverty doesn't explain police racism
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A very common response I got to my video about racial bias in criminal justice is that this data could be explained by the existence of poverty. But that doesn't quite add up.
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Racism is a lot like dark matter. You may not always see it directly in front of you but you can’t explain the system as a whole without it. Otherwise, the numbers just don’t add up
The problem there is racists are intrinsically weak minded (it is a delusion after all), so they are extremely unlikely to admit they're racist. Tat and they actually believe they are the ones being oppressed now because it's not okay to act on their racism.
Just look at trump supporters: I rest my case.
@@aylbdrmadison1051 saying that there are racists, and by extension non-racists, is continuing to perpetuate the same problems. We won't solve anything by making statements like "racists are weak minded" (do you even have empirical evidence for this? Wtf does weak minded even mean?). Everyone has bias because our brains simply cannot process the world without it. When it comes to racial bias, people's views fall along a rather complex continuum as was pointed out in the video. Yeah, some people really won't ever reflect on their own biases and believe that their world view is true in every circumstance. One could assume this means they're afraid of confronting the cognitive dissonance that comes up when challenging a personal belief (which really does suuuuck), but show me the evidence that proves it. Looking at the world in terms of black-and-white thinking (I mean that in the literal sense not the racial sense) blinds us to the change that is possible. Sure, there may be a subset of people with racists ideas and biases that won't change ever for anyone, but don't count out everyone with those biases. Some portion of people with racial biases absolutely can change and see the world differently if presented with the right set of life experiences.
BARS 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
read the book racecraft
@@aylbdrmadison1051 It should also be noted that a large part of the idea of systemic racism is that racism isn't just a feature of individual people but often of systems whose individual agents might be entirely non-racist and indeed they themselves might not act racist yet overall they act racist.
"Nah, we just beat up on poor people" isn't much of a defense on the police's part, even if it were true.
Its not supposed to be a "defense." It's an explanation. The purpose of that explanation to to come up with constructive solutions, not to make excuses.
Ya they beat up on black people, rich and poor, and with bullets, no less!
@@mofinebovine1597 often constructive solutions that don’t involve addressing racism, because... people get agitated when that word gets used or those concepts get brought up.
@@Justanotherconsumer It also has to do with the fact that, to most people, racism doesn't make any sense. We don't want to believe that others are capable of these seemingly stupid and prejudiced actions, so we always try to explain them in ways that make more sense in our minds.
On a related note: "There is no systemic racism, it's just that black people are disproportionately likely to be be living in poverty" also isn't a particularly strong position to take
My issue with the "few bad apples" argument is people try to use that to end a conversation, when it should just shift it. If there are "bad apples" then how do we create a system that effectively removes them instead of protects them. To keep with the Apple analogy, if bad ones stay touching good ones, the good ones rot faster.
Also, the analogy is, "a few bad apples SPOIL THE WHOLE BUNCH" so if you're admitting there are bad apples then all the 'apples' need to be tossed out.
When talking about immigration you hear comments like one poisonous jelly Bean makes you throw away the entire bag. But then with the police brutality it's just a few bad apples and it's not a problem???
In quality assurance the distinction is between ordinary cause (systemic issues) and extraordinary cause (isolated events).
When it becomes ordinary to brush the extraordinary under the rug, it’s no longer an isolated event and the lack of correction becomes a systemic issue.
They use the same argument for rapists. It's an excuse to deny that there is a systemic problem.
@The Modern Stoic Yes. In management, in any company, the leaders set the tone. They're either turning a blind eye or encouraging it.
I'm a white woman. When I've been pulled over by police I've been talked down to and treated like an idiot, but I've never been threatened, yelled at, or had a gun pulled on me.
My friend got pulled over, surrounded by police pointing guns at him, slammed on the hood of his own car. Apparently, there was an error in their system, someone had entered a license plate number wrong. His number matched that of a violent criminal. Never mind he didn't match the physical description and the car was a different make and model.
I get that they just looked at the plate and that's it, but they also didn't apologize. Once they realized their mistake, they acted like it was his fault. I have a hard time believing I would have gotten the same treatment.
White women also benefit from white privilege and racism.
Obviously identity-based hatred exists. But race specifically is a construct invented the rich ruling class to justify subjugation and create division. If somebody insists that poverty is the only factor, they’re not a real leftist, they’re a LARPing radlib.
@@ariellekaplan707 She’s trying to help and you’re trying to make her feel bad for being white? Jeez.
@@diamondminer5459 How is mentioning white privilege and systemic racism "attacking" someone for being white?
You are so dense. Imagine getting so triggered when people challenge white privilege
@@diamondminer5459 the person that left that comment was telling the truth. It was Europeans who came up with this whole classification of race thing.
Racism is real and saying that it's real shouldn't be a controversial statement. Black Lives Matter. Sending good vibes your way.
yeah everyone should read 'racecraft' by barbara fields
@@VentureHolly Thats not true. White people fought the end of slavery 150 years before TalcumX.
Many whites protested with blacks in the civil rights era, as they do today. All the 60's hippies, feminists and uni students were fighting for equality for all. Most of the country had legal equality in the 60's.
98% of the US was already unsegregated by the 60's. There was a few southern towns that tried to keep segregation but they were the exceptions. They were rare.
@@tubester4567 History would beg to differ.
@@neuralmute All the human rights we have were started in western "white" countries. Womens rights, childrens rights, minority rights, workers rights, religious freedom rights, freedom FROM religion, free speech, animal rights, environmental rights, etc etc, and even today we are the only countries that have these rights protected by law.
Women still dont have legal equal rights in most non-western countries, and girls are sold into marriage. African girls endure FGM and other oppressive cultural practices.
In Islamic countries women are forced to wear hijab and are the property of men. Criticizing or offending the religion in Islamic countries will get you killed. Just calling yourself an atheist in Islamic countries is enough to get you killed.
Criticizing or protesting the government in many non-western countries will get you arrested, jailed, executed, or you just disappear with your whole family.
There is a reason the world's immigrants and refugees are fleeing black/brown countries to go to western countries. Even laws dont stop millions of people coming to the US illegally.
@@tubester4567 As long as you understand that racism isn't over here, and white people aren't saviours to come "enlighten" the rest of the world, I can agree with what you've said.
I'm also not American, and probably have a very different view of your country's history than you do.
Remember the fresh prince episode when Carlton got stopped by the police
I heard about a fresh prince reboot on nbc's streaming service peacock that is a lot darker and more serious. I'm not normally one for gritty reboots but I do think this looks interesting.
@@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat sounds like an abomination tbh
@@poop_storm it's got a trailer on UA-cam somewhere (I think it's called Bel Air). Will Smith's blessing too.
@@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat I don't want to see a dark and gritty version of that show lol
That episode is absolutely heartbreaking.
Thanks for remembering to include disabled people. We are often forgotten in discussing poverty, even though we are disproportionately affected by it.
You never fail to teach me something about myself or others. I like rethinking ideas and adding additional information. Thanks 😊
At 4:48 I distinctly remember a guy in my history class who just asked why poor countries and populations can’t just “pull themselves up by their bootstraps.” The teacher responded to him that “Most of the time these people don’t even have bootstraps to pull themselves up by” and it shut him up pretty quickly.
Very apt. Or that any such bootstraps are quickly cut by systemic and/or targeted racism. Or the people trying to pull themselves up by bootstraps are trying to do so with their hands tied behind their backs.
Obviously identity-based hatred exists. But race specifically is a construct invented the rich ruling class to justify subjugation and create division. If somebody insists that poverty is the only factor, they’re not a real leftist, they’re a LARPing radlib.
The only people who say the bootstraps line are liberals when they claim that conservatives say it, which conservatives never actually say. I've heard that reference about 50 times, and it's ALWAYS someone on the Left saying it.
And your classmate never said that either. Quit making shit up.
I'm poor. I always drive raggedy old cars, and I don't really care what the car looks like. Often I don't keep up with the stickers. I've gotten pulled over, gotten ticketed. Never gotten searched. Never gotten threatened, or had a gun drawn on me. I always had basically polite interactions with cops. The tickets given were legit, if annoying.
I'm white.
Black people...tell me they have more problematic experiences. Sometimes there's recordings.
Yep for sure.. I can’t believe how misguided I became for a while- to think that racism is the fault of the behaviour of the victim.. No. Racism is a disease that must be slowly immunised out
Bullshit
@@Kornknealious How is that bullshit? I've seen an African-American friend of mine get pulled over and searched more often than I have. We had to share a truck for a couple of weeks (due to my car being in the shop), and whenever I used his truck I wasn't pulled over as often as him. When he was pulled over the officer asked him to get out of the truck and did a quick pat-down before telling us to move along. I was sitting in the passenger side when this happened and it freaked me out a little bit due to how some of the people were obvious racists. I've seen this shit happen in person and I'm white as fuck. So how is that bullshit?
@@dawizza yawn
@@Kornknealious Aight man, hope you stay safe during these stressful times!
No-one is shocked when they find out people join some professions to better enable them living out antisocial behaviour (that will remain unspoken to avoid the UA-cam algorithm's wrath), for example, youth group leader, priest, teachers, but are surprised when people who wish to cause harm to other groups of people join the police or military.
The motivation is the same.
It should be possible to test and train against sociopathic and racist tendencies so we could weed out "bad apples." For example, there are "shooting gallery" tests (kind of like the one in Men in Black) where it is possible to measure how likely you are to see black citizens as bad guys. Secondly, de-escalation and de-engagement should be taught with the same rigor as hand-to-hand combat in rookie schools. Once on the job, cops should be rated for successful de-escalations as much as for arrests and violent takedowns.
Hey, I have a question now about that algorithm. I just left a comment, that although it had now swear words and no hate, I used some _that will be unspoken language_ basically pointing out where a particular variety of racism (the far most common in America) comes from, and then my comment was gone a few minutes later. But this did happen to me multiple times too yesterday, and on some very different types of videos. One a guitar instruction, a sitcom, a medical channel, and news channel (the only one I would expect that to happen at all).
Any information people have on this would be appreciated. Thanks. ^-^
@@jones1618 : It's absolutely possible and super easy to spot too. I don't have any doubt why it's not done either. Where I was a teenager in the hills in Oakland, the local merchants got the police to send two very racist cops to deal with "the rowdy teenagers"
They sent one very racist white cop, that always _happened_ to show up when the teens in question were black or mostly black, and one very racist black cop that always _happened_ show up when the teens in question were white or mostly white. I mean, it was like clockwork, we knew they were using them to target us depending on our race (this was the early 80's though btw).
I'm not about to say all cops are bad though, in that same place there was for awhile the nicest and most respectable officer of the law I've ever met. He would come down to the park where we hung out by the basketball courts and just sit around and talk to us for a few minutes. Then he would say goodbye and just as he was about to leave he would remind us to toss out beer bottles (the ones we were pretending weren't ours, lols). Then smile and walk away.
Funny how little trouble anyone ever gave him and how so few problems ever happened on his watch. And there were never any empty bottles or cans left lying around.
It is true, any profession that includes a lot of unchallenged authority and access to a vulnerable group (children, seniors, women, people of colour) is going to be VERY attractive to certain human monsters, for obvious reasons.
Excellent point!
Poverty and racism may be intertwined but the first one can't be the justification of the other. The fault is on the racist and not on the condition of the victims of racist acts/crimes. It is a more subtle way of saying: "I wouldn't be racist if you weren't black".
Obviously identity-based hatred exists. But race specifically is a construct invented the rich ruling class to justify subjugation and create division. If somebody insists that poverty is the only factor, they’re not a real leftist, they’re a LARPing radlib.
After all, "poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids."
Omg, a trump supporter sent me that video and was like "So white kids can't be poor? Wow, racist." it was so funny
If you are not a democrat you aint black.
@@cat_strangler2603 Which gets twisted into "See, there are poor white people therefore white privilege is a myth."
if anyone's planning not to vote because of how horrific the options are, check out gloria la riva as a possible alternative
third parties won't win, but nonvoters always get assumed to be "moderate" independents somewhere between dems and repubs
the main reason dems hate greens so much is that they're making an unambiguous statement that the dems need to shape up in order to earn those votes
@@mirmalchik I'll think about it
I think . . . the fact that he needed to make a second video clarifying his point highlights just how far gone we are when it comes to this issue. Everyone desperately wants to believe that police officers are good people. Even when they are, they still have unconscious biases that can get people killed. Sadly, when we cease to have even a semblance of democracy in a couple weeks, this is just one of many issues that will never be solved in this country.
At the risk of sounding like a class reductionist, a good step to tackling those issues would be unionisation and democratising the work place.
Economic material conditions and class struggle are often seen as the only benefits to organising in such a way. But they also give power to communities and workplaces to advance remedies to other social issues in the workplace.
Two birds, one stone.
@@tombrown407 do you think unions are still good in fields like police? It seems like unions argue for workers which in general is good because managers and CEOs have much more bargaining power in general. But more protections for workers also make it harder to remove bad actors.
I do think those running large corporations in general take advantage of their workers as wage theft is the most common form of theft in the US but I'm less certain unions are always a positive in every field.
The people talking about class issues hate police. You’re all over the place.
Men make up over 99% of people shot by the police, despite the US population being 50% female. Do cops have an unconscious bias against men? Do we have an epidemic of misandrist cops running around targeting anyone with a penis?
Because anytime there's a gap in a statistic, we fill that gap with some kind of prejudice or injustice, right? So we gotta do something about all these man-hating sexist cops then, right?
Wanna do sexual orientation next? Because that will show a bias toward straight people, since they also make up over 99% of police shootings despite only being 93% of the population.
How about we compare white men to black women? How will those stats look? And unconscious bias toward white men and black female privilege, that's how it would look.
I can do this all day.
Insightful video, although I'm not in the US, many of these same issues confront the indigenous community of Australia where I live.
All countries affected by colonialism
I visited Australia once and it seemed to have a veneer of being culturally British but seemed a lot more similar to the United States at heart.
@@grannypeacock As an Australian, yes, it does. Culturally, we are attached to the US umbilical chord, and knowing what a hellhole the US is, it frightens me a lot.
Intersectionality is a thing, so poverty definitely can be a reason for worse treatment by the police, but that doesn’t mean it’s the only reason.
People seem eager to say “that’s the cause” without going back to middle school social studies and that whole multiple causation thing they tried to teach us in history - that WW1 was about a lot more than Frank Ferdinand, for example.
i agree!
poverty isnt an identity, its a material condition. Intersectionality does not apply because it is a concept about how to avoid the pitfall of parochialism that exists in identity politics.
@@JasonQuackenbushonGoogle poverty functions exactly the same way “identities” do when it comes to the impacts of intersectionality.
We don’t talk about social class much in the US, likely for about the same reason white people don’t talk about racism (except as a straw man) - talking about it would lead to some very obvious moral conclusions about the structure of our society.
While poverty can be changed, so can religious affiliation, and religion is usually seen as identity.
@@Justanotherconsumer religion is a matter of subjective belief about a social construct, class is an objective material relationship that exists regardless of what anyone believes about it. identity is irrelevant to class, and the idea that it is is false consciousness pretty literally.
@@JasonQuackenbushonGoogle Being poor is absolutely a social identity. In more or less exactly the same way being black is. While being black is an unchangeable property, its effects are not. A negative bias and prejudice against black people is no more and no less reasonable than against poor people. It's about how people are treated. And here poverty matters just as much as any identity.
"And thats fact.
But thats just me tho." 😂
When I go to my doctors' offices in a wealthy neighborhood, I get followed by the police until I leave town. When my black male colleagues go, they get pulled over. Since we have decent jobs, we have nice cars. This makes the police think that we must be dealing drugs, because NOBODY black ever went to college. (Eye roll, face palm.)
Obviously identity-based hatred exists. But race specifically is a construct invented the rich ruling class to justify subjugation and create division. If somebody insists that poverty is the only factor, they’re not a real leftist, they’re a LARPing radlib.
I love the slight, sassy inflections sprinkled throughout. T1J, you have an amazing ability to dissect and transform an emotional topic into logical, factual, consumable information. Keep it up, please, because your content truly makes a difference. I know it certainly inspires me to strive to become a better researched, well informed, more articulate voice.
I think one of the best things's about your videos is that you utilized peer-reviewed articles and sources. Furthermore, your videos FORCE people to critically think and analyze the arguments being made. Thank you for your videos, seriously.
Does population density play a factor? Lower income Black Americans tend to live in more urbanized environments than the bulk of lower income White Americans. In a situation like that, you may have a Black American interacting with police officers while the White American interacts with the local deputy.
12:00 ..."except when they are?"😆😆...😐...😲
@@l.x.7505 “fruit of the poison tree” has legal meaning... and one that’s quite relevant to the discussion.
Class is always in session with your videos. Thank you for educating and broadening perspectives
Please do a video about "bad 🍎"
I'm white, disabled and verrrry poor, and probably always will be. I sometimes find myself feeling a little touchy when I hear people seeming to imply that poverty would be okay if it were colourblind - though I expect this isn't many people's actual position! I can only imagine it's equally frustrating to hear people talk as if racism would be fine or no big deal in a more economically just society. I think it's important to remember that activism can focus on both things at once, but to do that properly we need to get on the right page and recognize racism for what it is by looking at the facts like this. So, great video as always!
my bf is black and was driving my mom's super nice car and the police pulled him over for no reason and gave him a 150 dollar ticket for slightly 'rolling' through a flashing red at 3 am.
Last ticket i got was 150 and my breaks went out and I wrecked my car and someone elses car and the police took 500 years to show up.
The privilage i have is visibly obvious and those dongleheads were lucky i wasn't there with him or I would have bit their heads off
i live in a rich mayonnaise area so the fact that they singled him out even though it's a well off area is telling af
Nice video! Gonna check out some of the sources for myself!
seems like intersectionality to me.
The problem is concentrated urban poverty not just poverty writ large. The studies bear that out - gangs form now for the same reason Irish, Italian, and Jewish street gangs formed in the 1900s - concentrated urban poverty. Schools and property are funded by land taxes. Poor neighborhoods have the lowest amount of resources. We pretend we live in a democracy but actually money determines the quality of your life because it determines the quality of your life growing up. Saying poverty is the root issue does it mean saying it’s the only issue literally nobody says poverty is the only issue it’s at the core of any analysis of chrome just expire that out
I see you saw that Vaush video as well
I recently found T1J ... I usually don't like when narrative videos have music in the background. but I like how it gels with the narration here.
I have so many class reductionists in my social circles, who I've been trying to tell all this to and now I have a video I can send them to. This was absolutely amazing , and I can't wait for your next vid :)
tell them to read 'racecraft' then they'll understand what race/racism means
0:49 _"Black people are more likely to resist."_ What the.. Omg, no.
It's exactly the opposite. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a
car getting pulled over and it's always the white male who is talking
sh*t to the cop, and the black people are all: _"Yes officer, here's my
I.D. (with an expression of: please don't kill me)._ By the way, I grew
up in Oakland and the areas I lived in it was unusual to see white and
black people not mixing together, so seeing these things was common. So I
do have a lot of experience with this.
But hey, I'm white as rice and have been harassed by the police for no
reason a dozen times or so. One cop saw me getting a bag out of my
friends car, stopped and asked what I wad doing, I told him and he said,
and I quote: _"If I ever see you again, I will arrest you for
stealing."_ But he didn't take my bag, and refused to walk 50 feet to
the basketball court and ask my friend who owned the car if I had
permission to get in there.
And my the stories my black friends have told me and the things I have
seen happen to black people with my own eyes makes my experiences look
like a picnic comparatively.
Implicit bias. 10:33 I couldn't be happier that this is being brought
up too. No, none of us are immune to generalizing about others. This is
spot on, even though it's to varying degrees, but that's only due to
some of us being introspective. That comes in wildly varying degrees
too, some are very introspective, but there are many more who are afraid
to look at themselves at all, and so have little to no self-awareness.
Those with the least self awareness are the ones who intrinsically have
the greatest struggle with generalizing about others.
I want to thank you for sticking with your format and just talking to the camera and delivering your ideas. So many left leaning channels have gotten the idea that they need to add dramatics and skits to keep up with an assumed frontrunner. I genuinely prefer this, just a person talking.
The thing that annoys me most whenever you wanna talk about a key factor of why there are problems in America or anywhere else for that matter is that humans are quick, in general because of the tendencies we get at birth and through being raised, to blame any complex issue on one thing. Even when you say "This isn't the only factor at play in an issue" people will not only "Support" your critiques by saying its the only issue but deride your critiques because they think you are talking about it only as one issue DESPITE ATTEMPTS TO SAY OTHERWISE. There's no winning, especially when you combine it with the human tendency to ignore nuance from others, or just never actually fucking listen to you when you are talking so they can deride you for something else entirely. And with how much these issues are self reinforcing, I don't really know if there is a way to get past it anymore.
I think this is one of your best videos! You make a lot of really compelling arguments, and do a fantastic job delineating hard facts, data trends from a few studies, conjectures, and your own opinion.
Here there I'm live, in Russia, the policemen have prohibition to run social media all together. I always wondered, why? But now I understand... And I don't like it.
Thank you T1, I'll be honest I presented this argument discussing BLM with a friend. We're two white, English guys so we're quite distant from the route of the issue... I always look for videos that counteract any views I have on social issues so I don't develop a one-sided world view and your videos have the been the most insightful and accessible I've found so far.
Appreciate you man, keep doing what you do and making the world a better place.
Poverty is the biggest factor and I think that is why people bristle at trying to tackle things as nebulous as "anti-blackness" instead of eliminating class differences. Some people think we can tackle racism more easily than class antagonism and I don't think that is true at all
Poverty is a huge problem and one that can be addressed through policy. But according to the FBI, white supremacy and policing go hand in hand in this country.
@@grannypeacock thats true and I think firing cops who express white supremacist views is a practical way to address that
Not true. Poverty is a result of our class structure. It is worse for some ethnic groups because of racism within that structure, but there would be poverty in ethnic groups regardless of racism. There HAS to be an underclass.
Classist rhetoric is tied in with racist rhetoric. See "welfare queens." Also, you don't need to spout certain rhetoric to be classist or racist.
10:00 or so - the data provided by police as to what was or wasn't a "legitimate fear of harm" or whatever term the jurisdiction uses is often provided after the fact of a violent event, so this may be further skewed.
not to be annoying and comment twice, but also this is an excellent video, as always.
Not annoying at all. The more comments the better. Hopefully it allows the algorithm to bring more people to this video.
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Thank you for the follow up video. It's important to bring awareness to these statistics. So many people seem to believe that a few examples of police violence are getting attention causing an inflated view of this issue, but there really is a lot of evidence to show that the attention is warranted due to how minorities are treated historically and still currently.
Your videos are honestly so helpful to me. I spend a fair amount of time dedicated to online politics and, even though I enjoy it, it tends to overwhelm me. But your videos are so measured and your tone is so inviting that it always helps calm me down and think more clearly on a given topic. Thanks.
It's simply a matter of intersectionality.
Also, fun fact, exposure helps eliminate /reduce /change implicit bias.
It's tempting to argue about how the class system is the reason why policing is considered necessary - to police lower-class behaviour, benign or otherwise, and what role racial bias plays in making policing worse for marginalized groups.
But it's also just a fact is that a lot of cops are capital-R Racists and really do think it's good to keep black people down.
So beautifully put. It really bothers me that some people thinking fixing wealth inequality will automatically make racism go away.
Thank you so much for always proving such solid links for sources. It really helps being able to direct people to your videos knowing they can't deny the factual sources. Just became a patron.
Also even if the association between low income people and black people has informed racial predjudice that doesn't change the fact that race is far more visible that poverty. So white people are more likely to get assumed wealthy and black people poor which is a link between predjudice and skin color regardless of if the ultimate negative association is poverty. The acted upon association is skin color.
Great information! I followed you years ago and lost touch with your account. I recently randomly rediscovered it and man oh man am I glad and impressed! Editing,sources,commentary,critical skills have all really gotten great! I realized all over again why I l❤ved your content so much initially! Thanks so much for being the bomb and making me really think and question myself! Peace and love to you!💜
You’re one of my favorite YTers! I’ve always loved your videos. Thank you so much ❤️❤️
One of the major purposes of racism is to make poor people of the privileged race feel superior to poor people of disadvantaged races so that the privileged poor don't fight the wealthy. One result of this is racist policing. The underlying purpose is justifying and enabling poverty overall (so that the rich can stay rich). So it's technically wrong to say "poverty is the cause," but it's technically correct to say "continuing the existence of poverty is a major underlying cause."
Of course racism is also partially a result of natural tribalistic tendencies. But those natural tendencies don't explain the difference in policing as much as the rich exploiting the poor in my opinion.
My point is that I think your data is fine but your conclusion is still a step away from the deeper cause. But also the people you're responding to aren't me and I think most if not all of those people are wrong for the reasons you give.
The most nuanced comment. Yes, Donald Trump's racism is different to the common racism. He hates poor black people, where as the common form just hates black people. Donald needs to activate the common kind to keep all the poor people occupied. Also, Donald hates poor people /the poorly educated even though he acts like he's one of them
I started watching your videos the other day, after finding your Sam Harris video which was masterful. I am a critical thinker and I am happy to see your videos. Trying to catch up, may take me a while, but I am trying
Thanks for taking the time to put this very well researched and informative content together. It saddens me that you've even had to put this piece together considering the sea of information readily available to folks. Ignorance is bliss and some people would rather cling onto that, than fight against all forms of injustice.
I'd love to hear your take on the reasons you think racists, bigots, etc., gravitate towards law enforcement and other key positions with proximity to power? Personally, I think the answer is relatively self-explanatory, however, I do wonder if there're other factors at play that I haven't yet considered. I'm here for the nuance.
This lesson essentially boils down to correlation does not equal causation. It's a common misconception which is exploited frequently to muddy the waters on contentious issues.
Keep an eye out for this pattern of behaviour, it's one of the ways anybody can be influenced by propaganda, and awareness is the only defense to it.
Please put those sources in the description so they're easier to find. Great stuff, btw.
Always thoughtful, always important conversation.
I don't have much to add but watching this from the UK the idea of police with guns fills me with dread :/
Bro i just watched a video you made about the word you made 9 years ago wanted to say that you just helped me get an A on my enthic studies class also this video was a banger👍
This video has helped me shift my perspective on this issue. I’m typically a class first leftist, I believe that addressing class disparity is a necessary first step in combating racism because perpetuating poverty helps reinforce negative stereotypes that people have about black folks (I’m not saying that those stereotypes are justified) because people don’t have an interest in thinking about crime in more comprehensive ways and rather just shorthand from black = crime without introducing other factors that contribute to that relationship. Too many people stop at correlation and don’t take into consideration factors such as poverty, lower quality of home life (as a by-product of poverty) and underperforming schools. If these class variables were removed, then people would be forced to confront their biases and prejudice (in theory).
you've got it exactly backwards. the whole point of an ideology like white supremacy is that it conceals class relations and presents a false picture of how social and political institutions function. its literally impossible to engage in class struggle in a conscious and strategic way without also challenging ideologies like white supremacy. what yr saying is almost like saying because rivets hold a steel structure together, we need to get all the rivets in place on every floor of the building so we know where to put the beams to line up with them. the structure just doesnt work that way.
But in America more white ppl are on welfare but black ppl are picked on more
I wonder what the rate of false incarceration is for the black community. It feels like a lot of us get arrested for suspect, or straight up false reasons. Especially when you take into account how they'll arrest multiple people at a time to force somebody to snitch. How have practices like that hindered any semblance of justice in the black community?
this was very well-articulated. thank you for sharing!
Thanks for your thoughtful perspective.
PLEASE make a video explaining why there are so many white supremacists in law enforcement.
Given the long connection with convict leasing as the immediate replacement for slavery during Reconstruction, law enforcement has a long relationship with racism.
There’s also the “protect our society from criminals” attitude that usually motivates police, paired with the racist cultural assumption that certain groups are inherently criminal, it’s not at all surprising.
@The Modern Stoic Sooooo, the FBI is lying to make law enforcement look even worse?
No. You're just fooling yourself. Figure out why & "recalibrate how you see the world."
@Clayton Bigsby It's also just good strategy, much as I hate to admit it.
Guns and uniforms?
because you're a schizo
You are so incredibly patient and resourceful thank you so much for the conversation and the data.
great video! that´s why i´m always sceptical of ppl who go full on in on class reductionism
I know you probably won't, but I'd love to see you break down Sam Harris' podcast episode from a few months ago about race and police violence. He, like you, cites many statistics but he reaches the opposite conclusion, that police violence isn't generally racially motivated. Your other video about Sam really gave me some good insights, and I'd love to hear how you respond to the points he made. Keep doing what you're doing, man. ❤✌
You're totally right.
At the end of the day, if you want to fight poverty in black communities your going to have to tackle racism. And if you want to fight racism you'll have to tackle the disproportionate poverty faced by black communities. Capitalism is a racialised economic system so the two problems are related.
I am white and grew up poor in rural nowhere. I experienced first hand harassment from the police, being randomly stop sometimes multiple times a week. All I can say is I'm glad i'm not black because the harassments would be been worse, which is how I know the system is broken...
unrelated to the point of your video, but I just wanted to thank you for including captions in your video ❤️
There's a whole tenet in psychology which I can't remember the name of at this exact moment (I read it in a book somewhere for school) that outlines the idea that if I receive punishment for doing something "bad" (i.e.; steal, drugs, murder) it's because of external forces, but if I am rewarded for doing something "good" then it's because of my internal qualities as a person and "hard work". And those perceptions are reversed when observing someone else. Basically the rewards they get are due to luck, for example (external circumstances), and punishments are because of poor character (internal). Very interesting stuff.
Poverty is another symptom of our sick society.
I believe that the more aware a person is with regards to their own biases, the better equipped they are to address them. Bias training, as in learn to recognize biases you have, would go some way to addressing the underlying issues.
I think we keep saying "but maybe it's just poverty" because poverty is an external problem. It won't be easy to fix, but it's conceivably fixable with a better system. Racism is an internal problem. As you said in a recent video, we can present people with the information that can help them in a process of self-examination, but we can't force them to actually change. That's scary.
Please do a video on the 'Far Left' or 'Radical Left' and the advent of it. I'm forever in search of an example of this elusive group.
It's a synergistic impact. "We want to persecute black citizens more, and we can get away with persecuting the poor. It's easier to get away with persecuting black people while claiming no racial motivation if we just keep them poor and base our official justification on that."
Black folks are poor because of racism, and the racism of which they're victims is often masked as anti-poor bias.
Some don't care, and that's when you get the obvious bias against middle- and upper-class black folks, which should act as proof that there's a racial motivation.
Loved this, I love how chill you are so as not to come off hostile, thanks for doin what you do!
RIGHT ON! It's about historical perception of power(-lessness) and implicit social value sets.
Been watching for a while and just wanted to say your videos keep getting better and better
I freaking love your videos and your message, I just have one small (hopefully constructive) criticism: I wish the background music wasn't so loud so I could better focus on what you're saying. Might just be me though (possibly cause I have ADD), so ignore me if that's the case.
idk if i heard it somewhere or just thought of it but it's hard to "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" when you don't have bootstraps to begin with. idk if this applies to the topic but I always think about this when I hear that phrase.
Can you make a video about David Webb's speech at the Oxford Union?
Too many people are watching it and thinking that it's the be all and end all
I really appreciate your argumentative skills. This video gave me a new wave of inspiration to work on my English paper.
I would love to see you do a video about Universal Basic Income. You mentioned in this video that poverty is you biggest political concern, and I personally see UBI as the best solution to poverty. I would love to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks for this great video! #MATH
Good video. There's also another class and wealth disconnect where a lot of cops aren't even members of the communities in which they conduct their work.
A lot of cops live in the suburbs outside of these communities, and so are strangers to these local areas where they police and typically intimidate/abuse lower income citizens, perpetuating the cycle of racism and classism.
The trust and familiarity of protecting one's home just isn't there, and these cops often have the mentality of entering a war zone or waging war against the very citizens they're supposed to serve and protect.
I have friends and family who are involved in law enforcement. I know they're good people personally but even I can't see what they're like on the job 24/7. There is some ambivalence in the profession they've expressed to me and I can relate to having conflicted feelings in regards to taking part in a systemic apparatus that can and all too often does abuse others while enforcing policies that disenfranchise the poor and oppressed.
I say this as a POC serving as an active duty military member. It's not quite the same as being a police officer, sure, but there are definitely parallels in our roles in enforcing the status quo. The police do so locally/nationally at home while the military does so abroad/internationally overseas.
There are no easy answers but having accountability and rules in place that police ourselves is most certainly a start to help build trust between the ones doing the policing and the local community. That's why we have SOFA status and the UCMJ to keep us military folks in line. What is there to keep local police in check?
Love your dreads
Insightful video. I have verbalized similar, because I grew up in the same poor neighborhoods and experienced some of the same biases that my friends of color have experienced. I didn't have a "box" for these experiences. I understood our neighborhoods were policed more and there were more interactions with law enforcement and that the more interactions the more likely someone was going to get hurt. I didn't know how to say that it was disproportionate when I experienced the same level of scrutiny. Now I understand better how to put my experience and the experiences of my peers into perspective. I appreciate your voice and your content. I will not longer verbalize that poverty it the factor and not racial bias.
The problem well one of them is that poverty leaves you much more vulnerable to governmental abuse. Then that vulnerability is sought out by bullies whether on the playground or a traffic stop.
That video where the Florida State Attorney was pulled over interests me. The heavy tint given as 1 reason (besides her plates) would suggest they couldn't see her race. Regardless the officers went immediately into treading on thin ice mode.
Which is rare.
Great video! I really enjoy the calm, reasoned but still sincere and emotive style in all your videos.
Completely agree that implicit bias and explicit bigotry within the police force are the biggest factor in the issue of police brutality. However, even if we could some how magically erase that overnight; so long as the police continue to exist in a capacity of enforcing property rights and the interests of the ruling class the issue of police brutality will continue. On the other hand defunding the police and eliminating the use of state sponsored force to protect the interests of the ruling class would necessarily eliminate the problem of all police brutality regardless of race. It's not that poverty / class is the only issue here it's that solving that problem is the only way to eliminate the whole problem.
We, white people (that's we as in me) all have to acknowledge our own implicit bias and privilege and do whatever it takes to rise above it. But while a handful of straight white cis men continue to hold the majority of the world's wealth and can use it to dictate global policy and opportunity in a perpetual cycle of privilege; it's not going to get better. Racial justice and capitalism (in is present form at least) are mutually exclusive. That's what I think.
I have always wondered just how much poverty has to do with the racial disparities in crime rate. It makes sense that racism would play a role, but it was difficult to prove that point to people who blamed it all on poverty and/or a distrust of our justice system.
So many good points in this vid! I really appreciate the reminder on implicit bias too, as it's something too many people forget to be mindful of or are just blissfully unaware of within themselves. Additionally, from my science background, I always repeat the mantra of 'correlation does not indicate causation', poverty may be a comorbidity with living in 'redlined' neighborhoods and with outsider policing and overpolicing, it's not the cause. The white country open carry militia gangs in my area certainly aren't targeted with the same animosity by the police as my nice law-abiding black and brown friends.
Also, stupid question, but in that screen capture at 16:39 , is that your desktop background or is that some company stock video showing off some Critter cred (critter being a Critical Role fan)?
Another side note, I think Lindsey Ellis was wearing your shirt in her recent ABO vid.
T1J! I really enjoy your videos and though I tend to lean right on these issues your insightful and well referenced videos help to listen to the other side.
You talked near the end of “rooting out” this systematic racism, and I wonder what the danger of trying to completely rid society of our so-called “original sin.” I agree that there is something a miss, and something has to be done, but is the complete eradication of racism from the human psyche by anything other than a gradual evolution a bit of a tall order?
"and we have a bunch of data to prove this
das jus me doe, what do you think?"
Some comment about how this is really smart and strikes me as really correct. Thanks, Aaron.
It worries (and frustrates) me that the fact you have to make this video might mean people just refuse to...understand. That thoroughly pessimistic comment out of the way, thank you for the well reasoned and researched vid. 😀
hmm i wonder if there's a word for the intersection of two or more types of oppression? :) great videos, thanks for your commentary
As the recent killing of Walter Wallace Jr. in Philadelphia shows, mental health crises are often a factor in cases of extrajudicial killings perpetrated by police, often on black & brown people. Intellectual disabilities, neurodiversity, & other disabilities also increase the likelihood of being subjected to police violence. Any chance you could cover that in a future video, T1J?
Speaking the truth! Keep it up man. Educate the people and the rich will fear us
You should make a video on immigration !!! 😎
there absolutely is police discrimination (and disadvantages in general) against the poor, but thinking that that accounts for ALL the disproportionate violence against poc and especially black communities just isn't borne out in data. great video, I love all the new sources you always introduce me to.
thank you for these truly amazing and concretely organized and informative videos from an objective perspective! everyone needs to see this.
"disproportionately poor" proportions. That means the total number of poor whites can be larger than poor blacks, but the percentages can be used to make us the face of poverty instead of whites.