Im really glad i found this (at first glance insignificant) channel but you are responsible for me acquire the new hobby (collecting full size stones and appreciating their difference) Thank you.. 🙏
Its just a for fun channel from when I first got into the hobby. There has been a ton of stone changes since this video but i'm glad I got you going! It is a great pass time!
Well damn it. I spent hours looking for videos, collecting information, assembling disjointed information and every question I had was in this one video. Turns out I bought nearly the same stones but spent half a day doing research instead of watching this 17min video which I just found. Well, okay. Do appreciate the video. Thanks
hahaaa! There is a little weird info on stones out there... people get way too weird and detailed about them.. its a whetstone... is it hard? no? is it soft? is it medium? We call those forum guys stone whisperers lol. Appreciate the comment.
I'll second the Shapton Pro stones loving carbon steel...I actually like finishing a lot of my carbon knives on the green Pro 2k, if you take your time on that stone it can produce some ridiculous edges on carbon steel. Just the right amount of tooth while still being really refined, it's my favorite Pro stone.
I'm another stone nut... Over 2 dozen stones... 8 Shapton pros, 4 different Shapton Glass, 3 oil stones, 3 Suehiros, Atoma 400, Chosera 400, Tojiro 4000, a King and a couple of cheap combo stones. A bunch of specialty stones like my Dragon stone for my scythe. The Shapton pros did an excellant job on my husqvarna splitting ax. I just love the sound of metal on stone.
I have a nice vintage J.A Henckel 72 Friodur INOX. Thing is a beauty. I’m still trying to get used to stainless steel straight razors. I’m used to carbon steel
Also with my experience, to use the 6k properly you need a heavy slurry then as you progress you keep diluting the slurry until there is no more slurry
Yes, different steel like different stone after owning and using as much (if not more) of those stones. I've found that an Atoma 140/220 grit diamond plate would work as efficiently on any of my stone (Chosera, Shapton Pro/Glass, Sigma Power, Super Stone, Arashiyama, Masamoto, Mizuyama...) as the expensive Shapton lapping plate. DMT diamond works just fine but wears down faster than the Atoma. Well, I sold my Sigma Power stone + Shapton lapping plate + Mizuyama + Masamoto as I don't see much difference in performance with my technique, and there was just too much money tied up in them. I'm just not a fan of the King, slow, requires soaking, too muddy but easily loads up however, I've been transitioning to Natural Stones - Arkansas stone family and the huge world of Japanese Natural Stones. Yes, they require a much larger learning curve but it's a pleasant to learn and use! If I had to absolutely get only one set, I'd go with the Chosera 800/3000 + Atoma 220 + bare leather strop
I have a couple Jnats now days my self, and a bunch of arks and a couple cotis. Atoma plates are excellent, but I still see really good results with the DGLP, especially on very fine synthetic stones. It is hard to explain. My favorite lapping plate right now is the DMT dia flat, its so big! Thanks for the comment man, what Jnats do you have? PS-I hate chosera. Both my 1k and 5k ended up getting insanely bad cracking issues about 6 months ago. I took all the soaking and drying precautions. I will never buy another chosera! 210 wasted before I got to wear the stones down even a quarter of the way!
I have mostly Honyama, specifically some Nakayama Karasu medium hard, Nakayama Nashiji medium, Okudo Suita medium hard, Yaginoshima Asagi medium hard, natural Aoto, Tsusima and a hybrid stone made from natural Iyo-to powder. Well, in my case, my Chosera set has never cracked on me. I never soak them in water, just apply as needed, this could be the case? My ultimate choice would be an Atoma but I have a DMT in my case with my minimal sharpening set all the time! thanks for your sharing
I have a okudo suita coming! King loads up!?!?!? that has to be the furthest thing from my results I have ever heard someone say about a whetstone. Be glad your chosera stones are not cracking yet, me and my friend both have useless 5k stones, and now my 1k is going. I used to not soak them, but now I do because I do not care. They were originally not marketed as a splash n go stone, the stones just said don't soak them for more than 30 minutes or some time frame on the side. They actually do a lot better with a few minute soak. I'm thinking of smashing my 5k for fun, it has given me such grief. I still feel the DGLP makes my stones cut differently, the load up on the glass stones just looks and certain way with it. Idk thats all opinion though
mine is a White Okudo Suita, yes, you'll love it, there's reason that Okudo is named the "king of suita" everything above came from me testing and using all my stone on my tools; I tried the King conventional then the Deluxe series and they both load up earlier than I expected. As of now, yes my Chosera 800 does work great after 5min soak. My glassstone just does not load up that easily, well, my 500 and 2000 do load up just a little bit after around 10 consecutive knives sharpening... The glasstone series is still among one of my most favorite though.
I didn't know they were the king of suita. That is cool! Yeah glass stones are excellent, good for razors, wood working tools and knives alike! I have found one downside though, and that is if you thin down a clad steel traditional kitchen knife with soft cladding, they load up like crazy... they become a little too intense for the soft iron. I recently got a 16k glass in, and one side of it was coming apart from its glass backing... I had to send it back before I could use it. I swear I am the most unlucky person with new products on the planet
I have taken your advice and tried out the Naniwa Superstones. I really like them; in fact, I prefer them to the Professional/Chosera whetstones. They get a burr quicker than any other stones, excluding the diamond stones on certain steels I have tried like 1095 and LC200N, while M-390 is not good. I still use diamond stones for the really difficult steels like M-390 and CPM S90V. The Superstones leave an incredible shine. I have noticed they lose a bit more of material from the stone than Choseras, but it is not much still. Also one must be careful around the ricasso area--especially when no choil is present--as this contact can wear or even damage slightly the stone edge. This is true with any whetstone, but these seem a bit softer. I have been using a system of GlassStone (ceramic) and then the Superstone of same grit with only 20-50 careful strokes per side.
of course man. Glad you got something out of it. This video is a bit old, and some of my views have changed over time, but the basics are still there i'm sure. Still absolutely love super stones, got a huge selection of those now.
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Very nice collection ! Ive been thinking about Shapton stones i use DMT diamond plates now then go to high grit sandpaper up to 8000 for my irons it works BUT it gets expensive ive tryed sharp pebble stones but i had no luck with them the diamonds work great up to 1200 i need something after that .
I started out with diamonds and ceramics my self. They work pretty good... but they do leave a certain type of an edge. It's a somewhat debated topic on weather or not you should use diamond stones to sharpen tools. Anyway... for woodworking I am going to say any shapton will do you wonders... but the shapton pro stones are a bit harder than the glass, and to me that is more important on a chisel. The Chosera stones are probably one of the best chisel stones you can buy... however I would NEVER recommend them to anyone.. because all of my chosera stones cracked under normal use. I would try and get something in the 4-6 k range for after the 1200 diamond. Just keep in mind grit means absolutely nothing, it is just a number for manufacturers to explain the level of refinement of their own products. A 1200 grit DMT probably polishes like a 800 grit king stone, or 600 grit sandpaper. This vidoe needs and update... I have bought and sold many stones since this time!
Here as a woodworker. My chisels and planes are O1, A2, and PMV-11 which I believe are all high carbon, so recommendation would be super stones and the Shapton pros?
I love naniwa supers... but they really aren't great for chisels. Their just too soft and marshmallow like. Easily to gouge and tend to load up with a lot of pressure. For chisels I like chosera and pro stones. Now the 10k super stone... PERFECT for a standard chisel micro bevel. That particular stone is a bit harder than the rest in the line.
OMG matt story of my life, started out a knife nut now im an abrasion nut LOL I started with waterstones then got the dmt credit cards now i am into SIC and oil stones and a few natural stones, my collection comprises of a king 1000 and 1200 unfortunately my 6k fell and broke, you can see me salvaging some use from it on my channel, i have a good few natural hones from the river which vary from 8-12k, i also have 2k,3k,5k and 8k taidea stones also dozens of cheap and used SIC stones, money is my issue(still a student), I would like to own shapton ceramics, chosera and shapton glass hones and a full set of DMT bench stones. I am placing an order for a norton india stone atm.
TheRedRider100 I don't have much experience with natural stones, I have a surgical black arkansas and a c12k stone, both of which I NEVER use. Abrasives are so much fun! You are quarrying your own stones!?!?! Will you trade me one for something? I would love to try it. I would go gentle on the DMT stones, I have a few and I must say, I pretty much never touch them anymore, I use my DMT plates for slurry stones and lapping mostly.
I use a tile and a SIC stone for lapping, i dont quarry my stones but I do explore alot and i do find river stones that give an edge, i have a large 3 ft diameter blue stone which is about 10k and has a white slurry, i plan to cut it after my exams in june, if you want i can email or facebook some pictures of the natural stones I have, dont mind sending over a few.
Very good info. I was surprised that you did not have any diamond stones. I have found them the best for some steels, as they are so aggressive. The pro-Shapton 2000 and 5000 work so well, although they feel quite different from Choseras. I have had no problem with cracking of Choseras. Would you say lack of alloys in the steel, rather than the high carbon content, are what match up better for the Pro-Shapton stones? You have definitely got me thinking. Check out Knifeinformer steel composition chart. The chart matches steel composition to a particular blade steel. Again, good job.
Yes I do think the lesser alloying helps with certain stones. This video is a bit older... and I have changed my opinions a lot of over time but oddly enough... the higher alloy the steel the better cheap soft king style stones seem to work for me. Those super hard splash n go stones tend to just load up for me with the high alloy. It also depends on how much pressure you use and such... lot of variables. Thanks for the comment
@@glytch5 You have brought up a quite relevant question--so much so that I am going to compare the Chosera/Professional to the Shapton Pro, when sharpening different steels. I even ordered the Naniwa Super Stones so that they can figure into the comparison. I am quite curious to see the results. Naturally, I am limited to the amount and steel type that I can use.
@@willieboy3011 nice! So even though shapton pro stones are softer than choseras... they still kinda act the same in terms of load up... the chosera 1k in my opinion is their best stone... feels like a really hard wear resistant king stone. I can tell you right now... that you will NOT like the Naniwa super stone for hard steels... it is soft but it does not respond like a traditional king style stone... not muddy at all! Use very light pressure with the super stone... those things are amazing on straight razors.
I totally can relate to possibly liking stones more than knives. Hahaha I've heard that the best stone in the Shapton glass lineup is the 16 K. I'm somewhat surprised that u don't care much for DMT products. Do u do any straight razor honing? I love my Shapton Pro stones for razors! I'm considering doing a video response to this vid and showing u my stones/gear. Just because we have very similar philosophies surrounding sharpening.
Jason Edge I have a massive beard man, so no straight razors over here lol. It has always interested me. I do really like the 16k shapton, I use it on the edgepro all the time. The stone is so fine you can actually pull your edge through the surface of it to remove burrs. I would be totally down to buy a cheap straight razor if you wanted to teach me how to set a bevel on one, I certainly have plenty of strops to use on it afterwords. It's not that I don't like DMT, they just don't work for me. I think it is mainly because I went the dia-sharp route, should have went for duo-sharp with the polka dot pattern. The 500 is the best stone in the shapton line up in my opinion. Please make a video dude would love to see some good abrasives.
Just an FYI...Shapton Ha No Kuromaku/Pro #1,000 is equivalent to #700 in Chosera. No, there is no #700 Chosera but that is the micron equivalent. The Shapton #1,000 is coarser than the Chosera #800 and a bit finer than the Chosera #600 is what I’m saying. The Shapton Ha No Kuromaku/Pro #1,500 is closer to a true #1,000 stone (around #1,200).
My 5k chosera craked. No problem with the other ones. No soaking more than 5 min here. Most of the time just 1 min. I hope not to have problems with the other grits. Although I still use the 5k craked. Not sure if damaging the edge or not, can't say anything so...
yeah my 5k is totally worthless. not a single half a centimeter in any area that isn't cracked all the way through. Surprised it doesn't crumble into 1000 pieces. when I run a tool over it I can feel every single crack bump into my edge. I guess it still would work for lapping chisels though. My 1k has one single crack that continues to grow.
Yeah he had the shapton that were attached to the wooden bases. I can't sue Naniwa cuz I LOVE their super stones, and their Hayabusa/mt fuji. Also their lobster! I recommend anything from Naniwa that is NOT a chosera/professional stone.
i wouldnt sharpen a folder of that quality without an edge pro. p sharpened a spyderco sage by hand with the cosera and purposley made a convex edge and it cuts better and last longer that a pretty second v edge. i will not take a very expensive v ground folder and sharpen without an edge pro type dystem avoiding me from any possible accidental strokes
Just getting into this. Purchased Chosera 1000 and 2000 stones, along with a universal stone Holder. I don't understand why I always see videos with stones on a wood holder. Do you buy them that way?
The wood holders could be a base people bought. I know some of the shapton pro stones have Japanese version that come in a wooden base. All my stones other than the super stones and old choseras are baseless... the naniwa stones have plastic bases.
It has been a while since I looked at those, the HC were the darker "high carbon" stones or something right? I would stick with the regular HR series. I thihnk the HC series were softer or perhaps meant for lower allow steels... in reality it probably won't make a big difference. I really don't buy into the whole "for hard steel, or for soft steel" thing, for the most part they all use the same abrasives. Most hard stones load up but aren't muddy, which make them good for tools, soft stones don't load up but are muddy, which can make them good for knives. Some stones fall between those two areas such as naniwa super stones. They are soft but not very muddy and do load up. Its preference my man!
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Hello i have watched a few of your videos and i like them. Anyways i wanted to ask you im getting a more expensive (for me) bush craft knife and i have several others and i need something to sharpen them. If you could give me any advice i would greatly appreciate it. I also am looking for something i can use to sharpen when i am out in the field. If you have any input let me know! Cheers.
Why not use a really good piece of leather strop with diamond emulsion or cbn. Just clean and dry your knife after use, then strop 10-30 strokes per side. I've kept knives sharp for 6 months doing that.
Great vid. Max! Didn’t know you were such the knife guy. You don’t like the King 6K because the edge it generates is shit!😆 If you look at it magnified, you’d be like WTF!
Yeah! This is a very old video of course... damn 6 years old now but I started with pocked knives, worked my way through to chisels, then to razors! Still feel about the same way. I personally feel super stones are my favorite for razors. I like the king for blades, it doesn't load up and you can beat the SHIT out of that stone. Leave it in freezing water for months, leave it in the sun. drop it... nothing kills it!
Nice video, good setof stones. How would you compare the Chosera 5K with the Shapton Pro 5K? I have the Pro but dont like the feedb ack and hardness of it but the edge you get is very good. I do like the feel of King 6K stone. By the way the benchmade is sharpened beautifully with the secondary edge polished. love to use that technique. If you could share a video sharpen it would be very cool. Thanks take care.
+Jonathan Ross the benchmade gets better every time I sharpen the secondary edge, you can barely tell it was ever altered now! To be honest, I like the 5k prostone, I like pro stones better than chosera in general. The chosera is slightly less hard than the pro stone, but not by much. The chosera requires about a 5 minute or longer soak to really work. The polish is about the same. If you don't like pro stones, you probably won't like chosera stones much either. The only thing the chosera stones do well is, they don't load up for being a hard stone, which allows them to have a little higher cutting speed.
+Max Savino do you think you could do a video sharpening the Benchmade with you 3set of stones or just how you do it. I love sharpening the secondary edge on the knife and many people hate it because of the scratches but you can make it beautiful if you take your time plus all the benefits you get from it justify the effort. thanks bro.
+Jonathan Ross yeah i'll start taking the knife to work with me in order to dull it down. I'm not ganna lie, that 154cm takes a long ass time to grind down on a 1k stone, I may have to bust out my 220. I put a fantastic Edgepro edge on it recently so it would be a shame to re grind such a great edge, but ill get to that. could be an informative video to do.
Ken? are you a different ken schwartz? lol. This is older video... its from 2015. I have collected and used many different stones since this video, and i'm sure my opinions have changed. I got a couple nubis... they both cracked on me though. Like chosera... I can't recommend them... any stone that cracks under normal use for me isn't worth the risk. They are fantastic stones though if you don't have problems.
Looking for advice on a 2 or 3 stone splash & go set up. I have 4 8x3 dmt plates & a norton 4k/8k that froze & now has cracked. Mostly sharpen planes & chisels & pocket knives. Also i love O1 tools steel & D2 for knives. Any help will be appreciated I'm gonna subscribe either way
If chisels are a common thing for you, I highly recommend harder whetstones, they just play a lot better with chisel guides and getting a good true flat bevel.... not to mention the wear resistance. I really like Chosera stones.... but it is an absolute dice roll.... if you get good ones they will be fine, but if you are like me or many others, they will all crack with normal use! A good alternative that is easily obtainable would be like shapton pro stones... For a chisel I am going to recommend shapton pro 1k-5k-8k. That should be plenty to bring a chisel up to polish, then use the 8k for micro bevel. Shapton glass is great too.... however they are a tad softer. If those stones cost too much... honestly king 1k is a fantastic chisel stone! You can get them at woodcraft on sale for super cheap a lot of the time, they are real fast cutters. Then you could follow it up with some finer splash n go stones. PS: Chosera stones really are not splash n go, even though stores claim they are. They drink water. Hope this helps! In terms of knives... all stones seem to work good with them.. d2 is a pain on water stones in general.
Crixus The Gaul - Thank you & for your reply chisel/tool restorations & new chisel/plane iron prep is a big part my sharpening duties. So I pretty much cant go wrong with Chosera or Shapton pro...
@@maine420247 weeeell... you can go wrong with chosera... thats the thing... if you really want those stones I recommend buying distilled water from the grocery only to use. Me and another youtuber have both had all of our chosera stones crack all the heck on their own. Its mildly ridiculous... so I don't recommend them really... but if they work they are great stones yes.... just be warned!
haha. I ended up using drawers and shelves anywhere there is space. I keep all the boxes and let them fully dry. I am guilty of stacking my stones here and there as well. Without a ton of room there is no good way though. That is one benefit of the glass stones... they dry out quick, have nice boxes and don't take up space.
Oh yeah that should work just fine. For a kitchen knife I generally use a 2 stone system like that. I would prefer 1k/6k but shouldn't be a problem there.
+Anna Peterson it greatly depends on the stone, and the duration. Any of the big name modern stones such as Chosera, naniwa super, shaptons you should only have wet while using. I like a brief soak on my choseras, but no more than a couple minutes. However stones that require a soak to use like the King 1k, you can leave permanently in water. You could probably do the same with the higher grit kings, but they don't need to be soaked for use anyway. If its a splash n go stone, no, if its a porous soaker you probably can.
Their just as good as any really. They are pretty hard so super wear resistant steels will cause them to load up a little... however they are more load up/glazing resistant than the naniwa super stones, or even shapton pro stones. I would say yes... but the best thing for modern high wear resistant super steels are absolutely diamonds and hard ceramic spyderco style stones. I can't recommend CHosera to anyone due to cracking.... it is a major issue that is hit or miss. They will either crack or they wont. I recommend distilled water only with them!
i have all the same stuff man. Except I have the 12k SP rather than 1k. I think thats the 400, 1k, and 3k chosera. I also have the 10k and just ordered the 5, cuz I'm a sucker for polishers. Love the super stones. 12k is super stone is goat. Fyi if you're looking at polishers, the 12k SP is very very similar in every way to the 10k chosera. They're nearly identical stones honestly. The 5k chosera is very similar to the 8k SP from what I have been told.
Hell yeah! This video is 7 years old, I have a lot more stones than I did at this time. I have super stone 1k, 3k 5k, 8k, 10k, 12k lol. I use the green brick as my 2k as I assume its similar. Thanks for the comment!
@@glytch5 Interesting. I haven't tried that one. From what I've been told the green brick doesn't do well with high alloy steels. I always wondered if it was just a bigger version of the 2k stone from their "traditional" line.
@@jeffhicks8428 its a weird stone for sure. I mostly use progressions for razors so its perfect for that. With a knife I only use a couple stones. what the green brick is AMAZING for is putting a polish on a back with a japanese kitchen knife oh MAN.... nothing better for that if you want that shinny look.
the ''old'' aluminiaoxyd actually IS the ceramic. Chosera, superstones, pros and glass are all aluminiumoxyd based. Btw the shapton glass stones are everything but soft. your stones are the hard version......there is a soft version but they are grey and not white. The shapton glassstones are harder than the pros and a lot harder than the choseras.
your right about the oxide. I didn't quite understand that back then. the glass stones are certainly NOT harder than the pro and the chosera stones. I can't agree with ya there.
Great video! Ordered the ha no kuromaku "pro" Shaptons last week. But I couldn't help pointing out to you it's pronounced "na" "knee" "wa". I can get my king 1000 to cut on my s110v Manix, you think it's a no go on the pro stones?
I don't bother trying to sound Japanesesy haha, I just way it like a dumb ol' American. I don't buy knives in 110v, or 10v or anything like that, so probably but its ganna take a long time. I am not into high wear resistant steels, mainly because I don't like sharpening with diamonds! All I can say, you can try! Hope those Japanese versions of the shaptons don't crack or warp on you, not sure what country your in, but those stones are designed for a different climate from the US, thats why there are two versions.
I feel most of the cracking issues could be from improper care and or storage of the stones. Also have read, and do believe, the pro stones are marketing attempt to charge more for the same product. So that was a risk I'm willing to take, and draw my own conclusions. I think If I can keep them in good condition up here in Colorado (dry as f**k) then they should be gtg in most to the continental US. While I really wanted the Chosera line, I couldn't quite afford all of them at on time as I could the Shaptons. But thanks for the reply man and maybe I'll shoot an update out later on how the jdm shapton does up here. Would you recommend the atoma plate over DMT for flattening these stones?
nice man! looked old based on the very noticeable patina. I just bought a new one recently and absolutely love it. Call me crazy but I usually reach for my Sabatier over my Mac Pro and Global. Might purchase the Sharpen Pro 2k now that you mentioned how well it sharpens Carbon Steel.
Sabatier is a cool brand, I just bought one of their razors not too long ago (thiers-issard) the pro stones are absolutely killer on steels like that. I say go for it. I would do an update video on this if I had more views, its been a while and I have collected a lot more naniwa and shapton since then haha
Would you suggest using the 2k as a finishing stone or just start off with it? I do have the Naniwa Super Stone 800. I could start with that and finish with stroping on the 2k. I currently don't have a 6k stone, but I will come Christmas.
you could do that. You could probably pick up a 4k stone too. The naniwa hayabusa is an excellent 4k. 3k suehiro maybe. i'll sell you my chosera 5k if you want. it developed horrible cracking problems all through the stone... still one piece but really annoying. I just use it as a play around stone. 20 bucks plus shipping if you want it. It was a 150 dollar stone. I'm never buying chosera again!
awful how? Like really soggy? Really soft? If that is the case, leave it out to dry for a day, and then lap it down until you get to some firm stone... you should be okay. I have left my 6k soaking for a long time and did not have that issue, but I guess I could happen.
oh no do NOT do a sun bath! you should never let whetstones sit in the sunlight... king stones are not the worst stone to put in the sun, but in general DO NOT expose Japanese water stones to the sun!!!
What’s a professional anyways? Someone that gets paid? If you have been honing razors or knives for a decent amount of time it’s safe to say your an expert
I know right? B ack in 2015 when I made this video, I was thinking along the lines of someone like Richard Blaine who is a pro chef and does sharpening for kitchens. Someone who needs to sharpen for their profession! Thats not me ; )
Great video !!! I am a beginner and want to purchase a 2-stone Chosera set. It is only for home use and I dont need mirror finish. I only own 2 -japanese knives and mainly use western style knives. What do you think of a Chosera 800 & 2k or 800 & 3k? Thx, Gerry from San Diego,CA
This video is quite old and I got to say. I CANNOT recommend Chosera stones to anybody unfortunately. I should do an update video on this. My 1k and 5k both have gone completely cracked straight through. My 156 dollar 5k stone is a paperweight. Chosera are the only stones on the market that are infamous for cracking on their own. My friend Jeff Jewel did a video on his, his 10k also cracked up. I am not saying the stones you buy will crack, but I would not risk it considering they are so expensive. Can't recommend them to anyone! : ( Other than that, they are very good stones though. Just be warned! 800 and 3k sounds great though.
I started plash n go. Then after the cracking I started soaking. A 2 minute soak makes the stones work twice as well. They were never advertised as splash n go. The original stones on the side in Japanese said something like "don't soak for more than 30 minutes" in my opinion the require a soak to work at their full potential.
thats what I was always told on the forums. they are certainly not though. They work waaaay better with a short soak... however my 5k crasked into a million pieces after a few more uses, and my 1k has one crack from use... I can't recommend them to anyone. 400 still workin good though.
After much research, I just ordered a Suehiro Rika 5000 and Atoma 1200 diamond plate directly from Japan - toolsfromjapan - as my starting stones. Also ordered global knives.
you could have just ordered the atomas from Ken directly... probably would have matched the price and you would have it shipped out today. Tools from Japan is cool though. I use a 400 grit atoma for higher grit stones, and a dia flat for coarser stones. THis video is 3 years old now. Stuff has changed.
From all of my readings, there are no true facts on choseras. Everyone seems to have different experiences with them. A lot of people complain that their Choseras have cracked under the most fragile environments, and you have the people who soak them who have absolutely 0 problems. My Chosera 400 is a splash and go, but have seen other people's who literally bubble in water. I have small hairline cracks on the side but has not hindered my sharpening. My 400 was left in an oven and burned at 350 degrees, base melted off, yet the stone was fine! My chosera 1000 got left in the mountains of Utah in -4 degrees F, and covered in 4 feet of snow, I finally retrieved it yesterday after my friend went back up there, I lapped the stone, removed the base with one of my methods, and it sharpens beautifully. No cracks whatsoever. Choseras are really odd fuckin things.
haha. Totally agree with you. And that is why I cannot recommend them... their just too in consistent. My 400 still has had zero problems, by that 5k man, was the worst cracking issue I ever had. The 5 and 10 seem to be more prone. I tried a couple nubatama stones... magnesia stones like chosera and guess what? they all both cracked all the hell. I only used distilled and deionized water with them too... however those same nubatamas I also have for EP stones... no cracks. you are absolutely correct, they are very odd. I don't like the whole gambling situation with them.
Purely opinionated. Try telling the straight razor community super stones are inferior lol. I love super stones and use them all the time and have just about the whole line now days. Not recommended for highly alloyed steel I must admit. Fantastic for traditional Japanese steel, and polishing wide bevels... and of course razors!
@@glytch5 Lol I have 50 times the experience you have in straight razors! I have at least 6 times the stones you show in the videos! I regring also a razor just with stones! So let me tell you are totally wrong! Is not the stone that make the difference! you can hone also with Superstone or worst with king! It will be honed not very well because the scratchs are very irregual and big and the line is not refined very good! Is not true Superstone is not good for hard steel! The problem is that is of poor qualitiy not the fact that is not formulated for hard steel! For a beginner like you is better a Chosera not a shaptong Glass! for example! You will never be able to use a Shapton glass! These are for advanced honers not for you! With the ones you show in the video you will not go in any place!!!!!! 8000k is just the start! I arrive at 600.000K at minimum! I don't go on community of straight razors! I use my head! not like you! that looks at community! I am a single! . The stone you have are totally inadeguate to hone a razor fo any type! you can arrive to 8000k and think to shave comfortably!!!! neither uncomfortably! Superstone are very bad! The only acceptable stone is the 12000k but is a lot inferior ! Is a stone for beginner! like you that are starting to hone! and don't know is a piss-poor! like the handle of your Thiers Issard! Natural material for straight razor are garbage and very economic ! Because are very chip they use! This is the only reason! I forget to tell you it is evident you are a beginner just from the Chosera still having their bases!!!! Don't try to remove if you don't want to finish in hospital! Becasue the base must be removed. People like you leave it and after complaint because the stone has cracked! You
@@zenrazor659 So first you say super stones are inferior, then go on to say that the stone does not matter! If anything you sound like the nube. Why would you be butt hurt over the my comment and leave a essay of the most arbitrary re cycled crap found on every forum where nubes ask questions? Yes... this video is from 2015, and I was newer at the hobby then. Choseras crack WITHOUT bases as well. It is a known thing. As for everything else you are saying... it just sounds like babbling.
@@glytch5 The guy sounds like a snobbish little troll. Superstone #10,000 feels like plastic rather than ceramic/clay but it does a fantastic polish. Stones are tools intended for a specific job and so if it does that job very well then that tool is very good. I have literally dozens of high end Japanese stones and have used them all for years and so I know what I’m talking about. The superstones are great. Best is subjective. Personally, the best to me are the Naniwa Chosera line, Naniwa A3-4, Naniwa Junpaku and the Shapton Ha No Kuromaku and M24 lines. All these stones are Magnesium Oxide bond. About as expensive as you can get, sure, but to me they’re are the best. Superstones are great as well and I wouldn’t scoff at them.
@@Wolf_K Yeah that was the weirdest comment on a super old video! lol. Thanks. Did you ever get into that nubatama stones Ken used to sell that were magnesia or what not like choseras are? Those, including every chosera or naniwa pro stone I ever used cracked! Save for my 400... its still chillin. I love the feel of superstones, and my gosh do they ever polish. Its like sharpening on a marshmallow lol. Thanks for the comment.
" Sometimes I think I like sharpening, more than the knives themselves". Same here!
I just wanted to type this exact comment.
Im really glad i found this (at first glance insignificant) channel but you are responsible for me acquire the new hobby (collecting full size stones and appreciating their difference) Thank you.. 🙏
Its just a for fun channel from when I first got into the hobby. There has been a ton of stone changes since this video but i'm glad I got you going! It is a great pass time!
Well damn it. I spent hours looking for videos, collecting information, assembling disjointed information and every question I had was in this one video. Turns out I bought nearly the same stones but spent half a day doing research instead of watching this 17min video which I just found. Well, okay. Do appreciate the video. Thanks
hahaaa! There is a little weird info on stones out there... people get way too weird and detailed about them.. its a whetstone... is it hard? no? is it soft? is it medium? We call those forum guys stone whisperers lol. Appreciate the comment.
I'll second the Shapton Pro stones loving carbon steel...I actually like finishing a lot of my carbon knives on the green Pro 2k, if you take your time on that stone it can produce some ridiculous edges on carbon steel. Just the right amount of tooth while still being really refined, it's my favorite Pro stone.
I'm another stone nut... Over 2 dozen stones... 8 Shapton pros, 4 different Shapton Glass, 3 oil stones, 3 Suehiros, Atoma 400, Chosera 400, Tojiro 4000, a King and a couple of cheap combo stones. A bunch of specialty stones like my Dragon stone for my scythe. The Shapton pros did an excellant job on my husqvarna splitting ax. I just love the sound of metal on stone.
this is awesome, huge thumbs up. Glad theirs other guys out their who geek out over stones
+DB Blades haha indeed! I only have more stones now days, and this is only my water stones ; )
I have a nice vintage J.A Henckel 72 Friodur INOX. Thing is a beauty. I’m still trying to get used to stainless steel straight razors. I’m used to carbon steel
Also with my experience, to use the 6k properly you need a heavy slurry then as you progress you keep diluting the slurry until there is no more slurry
Yes, different steel like different stone
after owning and using as much (if not more) of those stones.
I've found that an Atoma 140/220 grit diamond plate would work as efficiently on any of my stone (Chosera, Shapton Pro/Glass, Sigma Power, Super Stone, Arashiyama, Masamoto, Mizuyama...) as the expensive Shapton lapping plate. DMT diamond works just fine but wears down faster than the Atoma. Well, I sold my Sigma Power stone + Shapton lapping plate + Mizuyama + Masamoto as I don't see much difference in performance with my technique, and there was just too much money tied up in them. I'm just not a fan of the King, slow, requires soaking, too muddy but easily loads up
however, I've been transitioning to Natural Stones - Arkansas stone family and the huge world of Japanese Natural Stones. Yes, they require a much larger learning curve but it's a pleasant to learn and use!
If I had to absolutely get only one set, I'd go with the Chosera 800/3000 + Atoma 220 + bare leather strop
I have a couple Jnats now days my self, and a bunch of arks and a couple cotis. Atoma plates are excellent, but I still see really good results with the DGLP, especially on very fine synthetic stones. It is hard to explain.
My favorite lapping plate right now is the DMT dia flat, its so big!
Thanks for the comment man, what Jnats do you have?
PS-I hate chosera. Both my 1k and 5k ended up getting insanely bad cracking issues about 6 months ago. I took all the soaking and drying precautions. I will never buy another chosera! 210 wasted before I got to wear the stones down even a quarter of the way!
I have mostly Honyama, specifically some Nakayama Karasu medium hard, Nakayama Nashiji medium, Okudo Suita medium hard, Yaginoshima Asagi medium hard, natural Aoto, Tsusima and a hybrid stone made from natural Iyo-to powder.
Well, in my case, my Chosera set has never cracked on me. I never soak them in water, just apply as needed, this could be the case?
My ultimate choice would be an Atoma but I have a DMT in my case with my minimal sharpening set all the time!
thanks for your sharing
I have a okudo suita coming! King loads up!?!?!? that has to be the furthest thing from my results I have ever heard someone say about a whetstone.
Be glad your chosera stones are not cracking yet, me and my friend both have useless 5k stones, and now my 1k is going. I used to not soak them, but now I do because I do not care. They were originally not marketed as a splash n go stone, the stones just said don't soak them for more than 30 minutes or some time frame on the side. They actually do a lot better with a few minute soak.
I'm thinking of smashing my 5k for fun, it has given me such grief.
I still feel the DGLP makes my stones cut differently, the load up on the glass stones just looks and certain way with it. Idk thats all opinion though
mine is a White Okudo Suita, yes, you'll love it, there's reason that Okudo is named the "king of suita"
everything above came from me testing and using all my stone on my tools; I tried the King conventional then the Deluxe series and they both load up earlier than I expected.
As of now, yes my Chosera 800 does work great after 5min soak.
My glassstone just does not load up that easily, well, my 500 and 2000 do load up just a little bit after around 10 consecutive knives sharpening... The glasstone series is still among one of my most favorite though.
I didn't know they were the king of suita. That is cool! Yeah glass stones are excellent, good for razors, wood working tools and knives alike!
I have found one downside though, and that is if you thin down a clad steel traditional kitchen knife with soft cladding, they load up like crazy... they become a little too intense for the soft iron.
I recently got a 16k glass in, and one side of it was coming apart from its glass backing... I had to send it back before I could use it. I swear I am the most unlucky person with new products on the planet
I have taken your advice and tried out the Naniwa Superstones. I really like them; in fact, I prefer them to the Professional/Chosera whetstones. They get a burr quicker than any other stones, excluding the diamond stones on certain steels I have tried like 1095 and LC200N, while M-390 is not good. I still use diamond stones for the really difficult steels like M-390 and CPM S90V.
The Superstones leave an incredible shine. I have noticed they lose a bit more of material from the stone than Choseras, but it is not much still. Also one must be careful around the ricasso area--especially when no choil is present--as this contact can wear or even damage slightly the stone edge. This is true with any whetstone, but these seem a bit softer. I have been using a system of GlassStone (ceramic) and then the Superstone of same grit with only 20-50 careful strokes per side.
Thats awesome! I love super stones. The feedback alone is so nice. If you ever move over to razor honing they are perfect for that as well.
Excellent upload brother .. Thanks for the information .. Enjoyed watching your video
of course man. Glad you got something out of it. This video is a bit old, and some of my views have changed over time, but the basics are still there i'm sure. Still absolutely love super stones, got a huge selection of those now.
my master, your stones are perfect, they are very beautiful, good luck, good luck, I hope you use it, congratulations.
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I love your sharpening videos. I was sent here by Jef jewell. Please make more sharpening videos
Nice! I will be totally honest... I have not done any sharpening in quite some time. I need to get back on the wagon!
Crixus The Gaul do you have an Instagram? I’d love to dm you sometime
@@hidude2124 No I don't... not even sure what DM means... lol. I don't really do any social media other than a little youtube!
Crixus The Gaul ... ok is there any way I could reach out to you? Do you have any other ways of texting people that you would be comfortable sharing?
Very nice collection ! Ive been thinking about Shapton stones i use DMT diamond plates now then go to high grit sandpaper up to 8000 for my irons it works BUT it gets expensive ive tryed sharp pebble stones but i had no luck with them the diamonds work great up to 1200 i need something after that .
I started out with diamonds and ceramics my self. They work pretty good... but they do leave a certain type of an edge. It's a somewhat debated topic on weather or not you should use diamond stones to sharpen tools.
Anyway... for woodworking I am going to say any shapton will do you wonders... but the shapton pro stones are a bit harder than the glass, and to me that is more important on a chisel. The Chosera stones are probably one of the best chisel stones you can buy... however I would NEVER recommend them to anyone.. because all of my chosera stones cracked under normal use.
I would try and get something in the 4-6 k range for after the 1200 diamond. Just keep in mind grit means absolutely nothing, it is just a number for manufacturers to explain the level of refinement of their own products. A 1200 grit DMT probably polishes like a 800 grit king stone, or 600 grit sandpaper.
This vidoe needs and update... I have bought and sold many stones since this time!
Here as a woodworker. My chisels and planes are O1, A2, and PMV-11 which I believe are all high carbon, so recommendation would be super stones and the Shapton pros?
I love naniwa supers... but they really aren't great for chisels. Their just too soft and marshmallow like. Easily to gouge and tend to load up with a lot of pressure. For chisels I like chosera and pro stones. Now the 10k super stone... PERFECT for a standard chisel micro bevel. That particular stone is a bit harder than the rest in the line.
OMG matt story of my life, started out a knife nut now im an abrasion nut LOL
I started with waterstones then got the dmt credit cards now i am into SIC and oil stones and a few natural stones, my collection comprises of a king 1000 and 1200 unfortunately my 6k fell and broke, you can see me salvaging some use from it on my channel, i have a good few natural hones from the river which vary from 8-12k, i also have 2k,3k,5k and 8k taidea stones also dozens of cheap and used SIC stones, money is my issue(still a student), I would like to own shapton ceramics, chosera and shapton glass hones and a full set of DMT bench stones. I am placing an order for a norton india stone atm.
TheRedRider100 I don't have much experience with natural stones, I have a surgical black arkansas and a c12k stone, both of which I NEVER use. Abrasives are so much fun!
You are quarrying your own stones!?!?! Will you trade me one for something? I would love to try it.
I would go gentle on the DMT stones, I have a few and I must say, I pretty much never touch them anymore, I use my DMT plates for slurry stones and lapping mostly.
I use a tile and a SIC stone for lapping, i dont quarry my stones but I do explore alot and i do find river stones that give an edge, i have a large 3 ft diameter blue stone which is about 10k and has a white slurry, i plan to cut it after my exams in june, if you want i can email or facebook some pictures of the natural stones I have, dont mind sending over a few.
Very good info. I was surprised that you did not have any diamond stones. I have found them the best for some steels, as they are so aggressive. The pro-Shapton 2000 and 5000 work so well, although they feel quite different from Choseras. I have had no problem with cracking of Choseras. Would you say lack of alloys in the steel, rather than the high carbon content, are what match up better for the Pro-Shapton stones? You have definitely got me thinking. Check out Knifeinformer steel composition chart. The chart matches steel composition to a particular blade steel. Again, good job.
Yes I do think the lesser alloying helps with certain stones. This video is a bit older... and I have changed my opinions a lot of over time but oddly enough... the higher alloy the steel the better cheap soft king style stones seem to work for me. Those super hard splash n go stones tend to just load up for me with the high alloy. It also depends on how much pressure you use and such... lot of variables. Thanks for the comment
@@glytch5 You have brought up a quite relevant question--so much so that I am going to compare the Chosera/Professional to the Shapton Pro, when sharpening different steels. I even ordered the Naniwa Super Stones so that they can figure into the comparison. I am quite curious to see the results. Naturally, I am limited to the amount and steel type that I can use.
@@willieboy3011 nice! So even though shapton pro stones are softer than choseras... they still kinda act the same in terms of load up... the chosera 1k in my opinion is their best stone... feels like a really hard wear resistant king stone. I can tell you right now... that you will NOT like the Naniwa super stone for hard steels... it is soft but it does not respond like a traditional king style stone... not muddy at all! Use very light pressure with the super stone... those things are amazing on straight razors.
I am the same way. :) I have about 45 sharpening stones. :)
I totally can relate to possibly liking stones more than knives. Hahaha I've heard that the best stone in the Shapton glass lineup is the 16 K. I'm somewhat surprised that u don't care much for DMT products. Do u do any straight razor honing? I love my Shapton Pro stones for razors! I'm considering doing a video response to this vid and showing u my stones/gear. Just because we have very similar philosophies surrounding sharpening.
Jason Edge I have a massive beard man, so no straight razors over here lol. It has always interested me. I do really like the 16k shapton, I use it on the edgepro all the time. The stone is so fine you can actually pull your edge through the surface of it to remove burrs.
I would be totally down to buy a cheap straight razor if you wanted to teach me how to set a bevel on one, I certainly have plenty of strops to use on it afterwords.
It's not that I don't like DMT, they just don't work for me. I think it is mainly because I went the dia-sharp route, should have went for duo-sharp with the polka dot pattern. The 500 is the best stone in the shapton line up in my opinion.
Please make a video dude would love to see some good abrasives.
Just an FYI...Shapton Ha No Kuromaku/Pro #1,000 is equivalent to #700 in Chosera. No, there is no #700 Chosera but that is the micron equivalent. The Shapton #1,000 is coarser than the Chosera #800 and a bit finer than the Chosera #600 is what I’m saying.
The Shapton Ha No Kuromaku/Pro #1,500 is closer to a true #1,000 stone (around #1,200).
My 5k chosera craked. No problem with the other ones. No soaking more than 5 min here. Most of the time just 1 min.
I hope not to have problems with the other grits. Although I still use the 5k craked. Not sure if damaging the edge or not, can't say anything so...
yeah my 5k is totally worthless. not a single half a centimeter in any area that isn't cracked all the way through. Surprised it doesn't crumble into 1000 pieces. when I run a tool over it I can feel every single crack bump into my edge. I guess it still would work for lapping chisels though. My 1k has one single crack that continues to grow.
The same here. Do you guess a way to sue naniwa?
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I think Wako, from Virtuovice channel, had the sabe issue with some Shapton stones.
Yeah he had the shapton that were attached to the wooden bases. I can't sue Naniwa cuz I LOVE their super stones, and their Hayabusa/mt fuji. Also their lobster! I recommend anything from Naniwa that is NOT a chosera/professional stone.
i wouldnt sharpen a folder of that quality without an edge pro. p sharpened a spyderco sage by hand with the cosera and purposley made a convex edge and it cuts better and last longer that a pretty second v edge. i will not take a very expensive v ground folder and sharpen without an edge pro type dystem avoiding me from any possible accidental strokes
Just getting into this. Purchased Chosera 1000 and 2000 stones, along with a universal stone Holder. I don't understand why I always see videos with stones on a wood holder. Do you buy them that way?
The wood holders could be a base people bought. I know some of the shapton pro stones have Japanese version that come in a wooden base. All my stones other than the super stones and old choseras are baseless... the naniwa stones have plastic bases.
What would you recommend for k390, M390, cruwear, cpm3v & 4V?
Venev bonded diamond🙏 It feels like quality water stone but it cut anything.. M390 3V is fine even on Alox stones but 4V and K390 definitely diamonds🙏
Hey man! I hope you still reply to comments. I want to know the difference between the HR series and the HC series, like, which one performs better?
It has been a while since I looked at those, the HC were the darker "high carbon" stones or something right? I would stick with the regular HR series. I thihnk the HC series were softer or perhaps meant for lower allow steels... in reality it probably won't make a big difference. I really don't buy into the whole "for hard steel, or for soft steel" thing, for the most part they all use the same abrasives. Most hard stones load up but aren't muddy, which make them good for tools, soft stones don't load up but are muddy, which can make them good for knives. Some stones fall between those two areas such as naniwa super stones. They are soft but not very muddy and do load up. Its preference my man!
I've noticed certain people with lower than normal IQ'a seem to suffer from the Krueger Dunning effect. You can tell by the markers.. One trait I've been studying among certain Dunning Krueger groups, are those who speak about topics that obviously interest them speak dramatically followed by heavy nostril breathing...
Generally right after some sort of tutorial, instruction or lecture of some sort. And the people who do this, tend to also have an uncanny resemblance to one another..
Check it out, folks. It's one of the unconscious traits certain people with the Dunning Krueger syndrome do repeatedly.
Hello i have watched a few of your videos and i like them. Anyways i wanted to ask you im getting a more expensive (for me) bush craft knife and i have several others and i need something to sharpen them. If you could give me any advice i would greatly appreciate it. I also am looking for something i can use to sharpen when i am out in the field. If you have any input let me know! Cheers.
Why not use a really good piece of leather strop with diamond emulsion or cbn. Just clean and dry your knife after use, then strop 10-30 strokes per side. I've kept knives sharp for 6 months doing that.
Great vid. Max! Didn’t know you were such the knife guy. You don’t like the King 6K because the edge it generates is shit!😆 If you look at it magnified, you’d be like WTF!
Yeah! This is a very old video of course... damn 6 years old now but I started with pocked knives, worked my way through to chisels, then to razors! Still feel about the same way. I personally feel super stones are my favorite for razors. I like the king for blades, it doesn't load up and you can beat the SHIT out of that stone. Leave it in freezing water for months, leave it in the sun. drop it... nothing kills it!
I love my choseras and naniwa professionals
Nice video, good setof stones. How would you compare the Chosera 5K with the Shapton Pro 5K? I have the Pro but dont like the feedb ack and hardness of it but the edge you get is very good. I do like the feel of King 6K stone.
By the way the benchmade is sharpened beautifully with the secondary edge polished. love to use that technique. If you could share a video sharpen it would be very cool. Thanks take care.
+Jonathan Ross the benchmade gets better every time I sharpen the secondary edge, you can barely tell it was ever altered now!
To be honest, I like the 5k prostone, I like pro stones better than chosera in general. The chosera is slightly less hard than the pro stone, but not by much. The chosera requires about a 5 minute or longer soak to really work. The polish is about the same. If you don't like pro stones, you probably won't like chosera stones much either. The only thing the chosera stones do well is, they don't load up for being a hard stone, which allows them to have a little higher cutting speed.
+Max Savino do you think you could do a video sharpening the Benchmade with you 3set of stones or just how you do it. I love sharpening the secondary edge on the knife and many people hate it because of the scratches but you can make it beautiful if you take your time plus all the benefits you get from it justify the effort. thanks bro.
+Jonathan Ross yeah i'll start taking the knife to work with me in order to dull it down. I'm not ganna lie, that 154cm takes a long ass time to grind down on a 1k stone, I may have to bust out my 220. I put a fantastic Edgepro edge on it recently so it would be a shame to re grind such a great edge, but ill get to that. could be an informative video to do.
+Max Savino Awesome! Thanks
You need more Nubatamas I have over 50 of them Ken
Ken? are you a different ken schwartz? lol.
This is older video... its from 2015. I have collected and used many different stones since this video, and i'm sure my opinions have changed. I got a couple nubis... they both cracked on me though. Like chosera... I can't recommend them... any stone that cracks under normal use for me isn't worth the risk. They are fantastic stones though if you don't have problems.
Looking for advice on a 2 or 3 stone splash & go set up. I have 4 8x3 dmt plates & a norton 4k/8k that froze & now has cracked. Mostly sharpen planes & chisels & pocket knives. Also i love O1 tools steel & D2 for knives. Any help will be appreciated I'm gonna subscribe either way
If chisels are a common thing for you, I highly recommend harder whetstones, they just play a lot better with chisel guides and getting a good true flat bevel.... not to mention the wear resistance.
I really like Chosera stones.... but it is an absolute dice roll.... if you get good ones they will be fine, but if you are like me or many others, they will all crack with normal use! A good alternative that is easily obtainable would be like shapton pro stones...
For a chisel I am going to recommend shapton pro 1k-5k-8k. That should be plenty to bring a chisel up to polish, then use the 8k for micro bevel. Shapton glass is great too.... however they are a tad softer.
If those stones cost too much... honestly king 1k is a fantastic chisel stone! You can get them at woodcraft on sale for super cheap a lot of the time, they are real fast cutters. Then you could follow it up with some finer splash n go stones.
PS: Chosera stones really are not splash n go, even though stores claim they are. They drink water. Hope this helps! In terms of knives... all stones seem to work good with them.. d2 is a pain on water stones in general.
Crixus The Gaul - Thank you & for your reply chisel/tool restorations & new chisel/plane iron prep is a big part my sharpening duties. So I pretty much cant go wrong with Chosera or Shapton pro...
@@maine420247 weeeell... you can go wrong with chosera... thats the thing... if you really want those stones I recommend buying distilled water from the grocery only to use. Me and another youtuber have both had all of our chosera stones crack all the heck on their own. Its mildly ridiculous... so I don't recommend them really... but if they work they are great stones yes.... just be warned!
Crixus The Gaul - Shapton pros it is! Thank you Wm
@@maine420247 absolutely!
reprofiling on a 1000 is a bit more work and will take off more stone
Wondering if you wanna get rid of any carbon blades?:) anyway I also am a “stoner” meaning more into stones than the knives it seems LOL 😂
Carbon blades? I don't have anything good! Or else I would.
How/where do you store your stones? I have this problem, I don't really know how to organize all these stones laying all around :(
haha. I ended up using drawers and shelves anywhere there is space. I keep all the boxes and let them fully dry. I am guilty of stacking my stones here and there as well. Without a ton of room there is no good way though. That is one benefit of the glass stones... they dry out quick, have nice boxes and don't take up space.
Witch one you recomend for sharpening Global Cromova knives?I have dual waterstone form King #800\#6000. Is this a good one?
Oh yeah that should work just fine. For a kitchen knife I generally use a 2 stone system like that. I would prefer 1k/6k but shouldn't be a problem there.
THX for advice. BTW good video;)
thanks friend.
Question. Is it OK to leave a waterstone immersed in water when not in use?
+Anna Peterson it greatly depends on the stone, and the duration. Any of the big name modern stones such as Chosera, naniwa super, shaptons you should only have wet while using. I like a brief soak on my choseras, but no more than a couple minutes.
However stones that require a soak to use like the King 1k, you can leave permanently in water. You could probably do the same with the higher grit kings, but they don't need to be soaked for use anyway. If its a splash n go stone, no, if its a porous soaker you probably can.
Nan/pro 2k . Do you have any experience? Wander if Naniwa got the cracking issues solved?
Is that the yellow new version of the chosera? If so, no I do not. Sorry!
Are Choseras good for sharpening the newer steels?
Their just as good as any really. They are pretty hard so super wear resistant steels will cause them to load up a little... however they are more load up/glazing resistant than the naniwa super stones, or even shapton pro stones. I would say yes... but the best thing for modern high wear resistant super steels are absolutely diamonds and hard ceramic spyderco style stones. I can't recommend CHosera to anyone due to cracking.... it is a major issue that is hit or miss. They will either crack or they wont. I recommend distilled water only with them!
i have all the same stuff man. Except I have the 12k SP rather than 1k. I think thats the 400, 1k, and 3k chosera. I also have the 10k and just ordered the 5, cuz I'm a sucker for polishers. Love the super stones. 12k is super stone is goat. Fyi if you're looking at polishers, the 12k SP is very very similar in every way to the 10k chosera. They're nearly identical stones honestly. The 5k chosera is very similar to the 8k SP from what I have been told.
Hell yeah! This video is 7 years old, I have a lot more stones than I did at this time. I have super stone 1k, 3k 5k, 8k, 10k, 12k lol. I use the green brick as my 2k as I assume its similar. Thanks for the comment!
@@glytch5 Interesting. I haven't tried that one. From what I've been told the green brick doesn't do well with high alloy steels. I always wondered if it was just a bigger version of the 2k stone from their "traditional" line.
@@jeffhicks8428 its a weird stone for sure. I mostly use progressions for razors so its perfect for that. With a knife I only use a couple stones. what the green brick is AMAZING for is putting a polish on a back with a japanese kitchen knife oh MAN.... nothing better for that if you want that shinny look.
the ''old'' aluminiaoxyd actually IS the ceramic. Chosera, superstones, pros and glass are all aluminiumoxyd based.
Btw the shapton glass stones are everything but soft. your stones are the hard version......there is a soft version but they are grey and not white. The shapton glassstones are harder than the pros and a lot harder than the choseras.
your right about the oxide. I didn't quite understand that back then. the glass stones are certainly NOT harder than the pro and the chosera stones. I can't agree with ya there.
ok where do you get this gear im trying to get ome new stones and i cant find some
www.chefknivestogo.com
Great video! Ordered the ha no kuromaku "pro" Shaptons last week. But I couldn't help pointing out to you it's pronounced "na" "knee" "wa". I can get my king 1000 to cut on my s110v Manix, you think it's a no go on the pro stones?
I don't bother trying to sound Japanesesy haha, I just way it like a dumb ol' American.
I don't buy knives in 110v, or 10v or anything like that, so probably but its ganna take a long time. I am not into high wear resistant steels, mainly because I don't like sharpening with diamonds! All I can say, you can try!
Hope those Japanese versions of the shaptons don't crack or warp on you, not sure what country your in, but those stones are designed for a different climate from the US, thats why there are two versions.
I feel most of the cracking issues could be from improper care and or storage of the stones. Also have read, and do believe, the pro stones are marketing attempt to charge more for the same product. So that was a risk I'm willing to take, and draw my own conclusions. I think If I can keep them in good condition up here in Colorado (dry as f**k) then they should be gtg in most to the continental US.
While I really wanted the Chosera line, I couldn't quite afford all of them at on time as I could the Shaptons.
But thanks for the reply man and maybe I'll shoot an update out later on how the jdm shapton does up here.
Would you recommend the atoma plate over DMT for flattening these stones?
Was the first knife a French Sabatier made in Thiers, France?
yeah a vintage one.
nice man! looked old based on the very noticeable patina. I just bought a new one recently and absolutely love it. Call me crazy but I usually reach for my Sabatier over my Mac Pro and Global. Might purchase the Sharpen Pro 2k now that you mentioned how well it sharpens Carbon Steel.
Sabatier is a cool brand, I just bought one of their razors not too long ago (thiers-issard)
the pro stones are absolutely killer on steels like that. I say go for it.
I would do an update video on this if I had more views, its been a while and I have collected a lot more naniwa and shapton since then haha
Would you suggest using the 2k as a finishing stone or just start off with it? I do have the Naniwa Super Stone 800. I could start with that and finish with stroping on the 2k. I currently don't have a 6k stone, but I will come Christmas.
you could do that. You could probably pick up a 4k stone too. The naniwa hayabusa is an excellent 4k. 3k suehiro maybe.
i'll sell you my chosera 5k if you want. it developed horrible cracking problems all through the stone... still one piece but really annoying. I just use it as a play around stone. 20 bucks plus shipping if you want it. It was a 150 dollar stone. I'm never buying chosera again!
what shapton says that the glass stones are the hardest
I don't know why they say that, its totally not the deal.
I finish my razors on the Naniwa 12k fantastic stones. My progression is 1k 3K 8k 12k,
that will work! I sometimes actually like to finish on the 10k for some reason. IDK why that stones agrees with me.
is the stone in the bottom right hand side in the silver box a suehiro rika 5k?
its a diamond plate
have you used a rika 5k?
no sorry man. Only suehiro i've used is the 20k gokumyo I have
hi crixus,can i know i over soak my king 6000.. how should i fix it?
Why do you think its over soaked? What is it doing?
last time i over soak my king 6000 one hour, when i sharpen the feeling very awful & make stone useless
awful how? Like really soggy? Really soft?
If that is the case, leave it out to dry for a day, and then lap it down until you get to some firm stone... you should be okay. I have left my 6k soaking for a long time and did not have that issue, but I guess I could happen.
Crixus The Gaul i feel very soggy..thanks for your help,i will try in sun bath😊
oh no do NOT do a sun bath! you should never let whetstones sit in the sunlight... king stones are not the worst stone to put in the sun, but in general DO NOT expose Japanese water stones to the sun!!!
What’s a professional anyways? Someone that gets paid? If you have been honing razors or knives for a decent amount of time it’s safe to say your an expert
I know right? B ack in 2015 when I made this video, I was thinking along the lines of someone like Richard Blaine who is a pro chef and does sharpening for kitchens. Someone who needs to sharpen for their profession! Thats not me ; )
Great video !!!
I am a beginner and want to purchase a 2-stone Chosera set. It is only for home use and I dont need mirror finish. I only own 2 -japanese knives and mainly use western style knives. What do you think of a Chosera 800 & 2k or 800 & 3k?
Thx, Gerry from San Diego,CA
This video is quite old and I got to say. I CANNOT recommend Chosera stones to anybody unfortunately. I should do an update video on this.
My 1k and 5k both have gone completely cracked straight through. My 156 dollar 5k stone is a paperweight. Chosera are the only stones on the market that are infamous for cracking on their own. My friend Jeff Jewel did a video on his, his 10k also cracked up.
I am not saying the stones you buy will crack, but I would not risk it considering they are so expensive.
Can't recommend them to anyone! : (
Other than that, they are very good stones though. Just be warned! 800 and 3k sounds great though.
Just wondering....Did you soak your Chosera stones ? Or use them as Splash & Go's ? Thanks again, Gerry
I started plash n go. Then after the cracking I started soaking. A 2 minute soak makes the stones work twice as well. They were never advertised as splash n go. The original stones on the side in Japanese said something like "don't soak for more than 30 minutes" in my opinion the require a soak to work at their full potential.
The only chosera that doesn’t crack is the 400 grit, for me at least
holly molly...
Who told you the Chosera 400 was splash and go. 3,000 and up is splash n go
thats what I was always told on the forums. they are certainly not though. They work waaaay better with a short soak... however my 5k crasked into a million pieces after a few more uses, and my 1k has one crack from use... I can't recommend them to anyone. 400 still workin good though.
After much research, I just ordered a Suehiro Rika 5000 and Atoma 1200 diamond plate directly from Japan - toolsfromjapan - as my starting stones. Also ordered global knives.
you could have just ordered the atomas from Ken directly... probably would have matched the price and you would have it shipped out today. Tools from Japan is cool though. I use a 400 grit atoma for higher grit stones, and a dia flat for coarser stones. THis video is 3 years old now. Stuff has changed.
From all of my readings, there are no true facts on choseras. Everyone seems to have different experiences with them. A lot of people complain that their Choseras have cracked under the most fragile environments, and you have the people who soak them who have absolutely 0 problems. My Chosera 400 is a splash and go, but have seen other people's who literally bubble in water. I have small hairline cracks on the side but has not hindered my sharpening. My 400 was left in an oven and burned at 350 degrees, base melted off, yet the stone was fine! My chosera 1000 got left in the mountains of Utah in -4 degrees F, and covered in 4 feet of snow, I finally retrieved it yesterday after my friend went back up there, I lapped the stone, removed the base with one of my methods, and it sharpens beautifully. No cracks whatsoever. Choseras are really odd fuckin things.
haha. Totally agree with you. And that is why I cannot recommend them... their just too in consistent.
My 400 still has had zero problems, by that 5k man, was the worst cracking issue I ever had. The 5 and 10 seem to be more prone.
I tried a couple nubatama stones... magnesia stones like chosera and guess what? they all both cracked all the hell. I only used distilled and deionized water with them too... however those same nubatamas I also have for EP stones... no cracks.
you are absolutely correct, they are very odd. I don't like the whole gambling situation with them.
El nutcase
Superstones are inferior. Upload excessive power honing inferior. Easy to break No smooth like ceramic stones!
Purely opinionated. Try telling the straight razor community super stones are inferior lol. I love super stones and use them all the time and have just about the whole line now days. Not recommended for highly alloyed steel I must admit. Fantastic for traditional Japanese steel, and polishing wide bevels... and of course razors!
@@glytch5 Lol I have 50 times the experience you have in straight razors! I have at least 6 times the stones you show in the videos! I regring also a razor just with stones! So let me tell you are totally wrong! Is not the stone that make the difference! you can hone also with Superstone or worst with king! It will be honed not very well because the scratchs are very irregual and big and the line is not refined very good!
Is not true Superstone is not good for hard steel! The problem is that is of poor qualitiy not the fact that is not formulated for hard steel! For a beginner like you is better a Chosera not a shaptong Glass! for example!
You will never be able to use a Shapton glass! These are for advanced honers not for you!
With the ones you show in the video you will not go in any place!!!!!! 8000k is just the start! I arrive at 600.000K at minimum!
I don't go on community of straight razors! I use my head! not like you! that looks at community! I am a single! . The stone you have are totally inadeguate to hone a razor fo any type! you can arrive to 8000k and think to shave comfortably!!!! neither uncomfortably! Superstone are very bad! The only acceptable stone is the 12000k but is a lot inferior ! Is a stone for beginner! like you that are starting to hone! and don't know is a piss-poor! like the handle of your Thiers Issard! Natural material for straight razor are garbage and very economic ! Because are very chip they use! This is the only reason!
I forget to tell you it is evident you are a beginner just from the Chosera still having their bases!!!! Don't try to remove if you don't want to finish in hospital! Becasue the base must be removed. People like you leave it and after complaint because the stone has cracked! You
@@zenrazor659 So first you say super stones are inferior, then go on to say that the stone does not matter! If anything you sound like the nube. Why would you be butt hurt over the my comment and leave a essay of the most arbitrary re cycled crap found on every forum where nubes ask questions? Yes... this video is from 2015, and I was newer at the hobby then. Choseras crack WITHOUT bases as well. It is a known thing. As for everything else you are saying... it just sounds like babbling.
@@glytch5
The guy sounds like a snobbish little troll.
Superstone #10,000 feels like plastic rather than ceramic/clay but it does a fantastic polish. Stones are tools intended for a specific job and so if it does that job very well then that tool is very good.
I have literally dozens of high end Japanese stones and have used them all for years and so I know what I’m talking about. The superstones are great.
Best is subjective. Personally, the best to me are the Naniwa Chosera line, Naniwa A3-4, Naniwa Junpaku and the Shapton Ha No Kuromaku and M24 lines. All these stones are Magnesium Oxide bond.
About as expensive as you can get, sure, but to me they’re are the best. Superstones are great as well and I wouldn’t scoff at them.
@@Wolf_K Yeah that was the weirdest comment on a super old video! lol. Thanks. Did you ever get into that nubatama stones Ken used to sell that were magnesia or what not like choseras are? Those, including every chosera or naniwa pro stone I ever used cracked! Save for my 400... its still chillin. I love the feel of superstones, and my gosh do they ever polish. Its like sharpening on a marshmallow lol. Thanks for the comment.