Once a man realizes that he won't be a father - then there's zero reason to pursue women. Then he'll consume less. Men don't need much, and no need to show off to others if not pursuing anyone. Then he'll realize he doesn't need to work into his 60s. Being master of ones own time is the greatest freedom anyone can enjoy. Maybe not as rewarding as family, but the best he can do. We'd better hope AI makes labor more irrelevant before too many men follow this pattern, or a depression will occur and harm everyone.
This is why women are becoming more and more single, having fewer children, child free by choice to the point that the b5rth ra6tes across nations are falling down. But no one wants to believe women who say they are happier single. Woemn actually have much more benefits and joy in pursuing this lifestyle choice. But m4n shut it about cat ladies 🤦♀️
This is why wom4n are becoming more and more single, having fewer children, child free by choice to the point that the b5rth ra6tes across nations are falling down. But no one wants to believe women who say they are happier single. Woemn actually have much more benefits and joy in pursuing this lifestyle choice. But m4n shut it about cat ladies 🤦♀️
Na, I’ve had some great relationships with women who don’t want a family, just like I don’t want a family, I couldn’t think of anything worse. I’ll be working into my 60s though, family or no family 😂 the world is in the toilet.
Dude everyone likes to be around useful people. If a m6an does nothing useful around the house, doesnt offer emotioanl support, doesnt offer romance and doesnt do nice things once in a while, yes he is not needed. We women dont have anything we cant do ourselves. Also, we can pay money to others to do things we cant do. We know to take care of ourselves. We dont simply keep on wh6ning if m4n dont treat us well. We move on. Ultimately, we dont want to do things for men who would never do the same for us.
I, as a man, traveled through warzones and dangerous countries such as Somalia, current Ukraine, Afghanistan and many more. People said how brave I was, but I understood deep inside that I wasn't brave, I just didn't care if I died or not. Ultimately, if I got the choice to end it suddenly without consequence I definitely would.
This focus on war and aggression is precisely not what women need, women don't need bosses either. Please, jcronin, use your strength for a useful issue that supports others. Then most women and good men will admire you, and you will not be alone. So get back from the destructive path, join the good forces! You might ask Pete Buttigieg, Tim Walz, or any guest on DOAC for good advice. Women do need helpers, but today's societal context is that men generally are not interested in helping with what the receivers' need. Women need help to stop wars and promote peace, at home, in the neighborhoods, in the regions, and abroad. Women need help to feed and educate all children in a healthy way. Women need help to provide help for those more vulnerable of any generation in need of care. Women need a just and orderly society, so that they can foresee the future and plan for the good of all, so we don't additionally to providing care also have to suffer crime, drugs, guns, and social unrest. There a wonderful men, but other men hinder them from doing those jobs, that women need to be done. The wonderful men I know are farmers with healthy produce on their farms, teachers who help every student reach their goals and looks to it that nobody gets bullied, IT-engineers who work for useful enterprises, are helpful conscientious busdrivers, are good caring neighbors, are committed to social clubs and labor unions, in additions to being good dads.
I can really relate bro. There is something extremely liberating about that feeling, although it ultimately comes from a dark, sad place. I would say, I still think you were showing bravery as the majority of men, even feeling hopeless, would not have the guts to travel where you did. I hope there's a light somewhere at the end of the tunnel 🙏
There is a major difference from being someone's first "I need you" to knowing they called 100 people before you, saying that they needed them, and then eventually got to you when everyone else fell through. Men have learned that there's no value in being the second "I need you" because we know it's a lie.
This is one of those dumb open ended comments like "in Africa every 60 seconds, a minute passes". Or also "everyone's gonna get old and die anyway, so why care about living". The logic completely misses the point of what we are talking about to solve issues.
Women protect their kids from the world and men prepare their kids for the world. The older I get the more I realize how important good men are to society. It's sad so many men don't understand their value since there is a ton of evidence out there for what happens when communities lack good men.
Yes. The balance between protection and preparation is so important. A mother has good intentions, but by herself she's like an invasive plant that starts growing by a lake and strangling all other life out of existence in favor of her own offspring. Fathers are the ones who encourage risk, or engagement in what's known as 'rough play' which is kind of like how you socialize a puppy. You need to be able to build up mental and physical fortitude if you want to step into the world. And you need to be able to judge where boundaries are when dealing with other people.
Dude good people are punished in this world and if you speak up you just get shamed back into line its hopeless these people do not care the only thing you can do is sit back and let it burn
or women can't handle the truth or calling out their bad attitude and double standards then when when another woman don't fall in line with their agenda they called her pick me and accuse her of being internalized misogynistic as they expect the world especially men to cater the outcome of every bad decisions they made .
or women can't handle the truth or calling out their bad attitude and double standards then when when another woman don't fall in line with their agenda they called her pick me and accuse her of being internalized misogynistic as they expect the world especially men to cater the outcome of every bad decisions they made .
It makes sense that now men's usefulness is being examined. Women saw this begin in the 60s and finally motherhood and women's role as care givers to children and home makers was belittled, Women were urged to pull their weight and get out to work, pay taxes and 'fulfil their potential'. This lie quickly escalated into outsourcing toddler care. The general acceptance of divorce has demeaned marriage. I am a 67yr old wife of 45 years and mother of two men who don't seem interested in women, marriage or families as they don't think they can afford that life.
Only feminists belittled the traditional homemaker role in the 60s. Everyone else was at a minimum appreciative and some idolatry was involved. Just look at how motherhood was portrayed in (non-feminist) tv shows.
Those street interviews are very telling. When women are asked ‘do we need men’, they all say no. When men are asked do we need women, they all say yes. And yet they call us the misogynists whilst revelling in their misandry.
To be needed is not the same as being loved. Men say need women to cater to theur needs, not because they care about them. At least women are honest about themselves. Please appreciate.
@@TheRds797 They made them so that women would care for them better and get all that praise, not because they needed to use them themselves. Otherwise why do they moan so much about being left out?
Yes, so women just think and but in reality my assumption would be 1) they feel lonely 2) they still would like to have a stronger men (I belive women are programmed to seek safety). Men responded, because they want to be taken care of, also want good sex but if possible without commitment.....
Most people are looking for a 'good deal' (most benefit, for least cost). Once I stopped letting that come at my expense, at least 90% of the people in my life vanished within a year.
@shortymccutlery8919 I deserve it,i always reciprocated but nobody helped me.I was cast out even by my own family.I don't do drugs,do not drink and i'm a hard worker.I survive until today thank to my work capacity,powerfull will to survive amd not giving a shit about my scumbag family.Do not forget : FAMILY IS YOUR FIRST ENEMY,DON'T TRUST THEM. THEY WILL EAT YOU ALIVE !
If we look to where the word provide comes from (late Middle English - ‘prepare to do, get ready’ -/ from Latin providere ‘foresee, attend to’) I think there is embedded a more mature idea of leadership roles, and visionary outlook, rather than simply being the supplier of material goods that seems to make up the modern day understanding.
So don't. I scaled down on work after miraculously surviving a killer incident. I had a close look at retirement plans, how they're not done with increasing retirement age and decreasing payouts, I realised that I will never have those promised few good years. Most likely I will die first. So *right now* is the only time I have for living. Used to just work, eat and sleep. Now I have a small spot of time for myself.
there was this debate about men being obsolete, it's so incredibly evil and this message made a lot of damage to young men i feel, no wonder they go to Jordan Peterson to have some sort of encouraging words. we leave men behind at our own peril.
@@francoisbl4324 men have such an important role to play I hope they do listen to Jordan Peterson and start taking on the responsibilities he talks about
I know how much the job needs me by the amount of money they pay. For every job in my life the answer has been, very little. I would suggest you find reasons for living other than your job. They will replace you and never give you a second thought.
Great video. Gentlemen the answer to your depression is serving the society that doesn't need you or notice you. I hope this message reaches as many young men as possible.
I struggled with not being needed by family and women when I was in my late teens/early twenties but I've come to accept it. All romantic relationships eventually failed because my nature prevents me from becoming subservient to women's need for a beta orbiter. It's just not within my nature and I'd rather be alone than beg for crumbs in exchange for giving my all. There are other things to enjoy in life, you just have to open your eyes and see them!
In the UK Government renders Fathers redundant if Mothers seperate from them. Government will provide for a mother if she seperates from a father and then becomes homeless. Fathers are then coerced into giving up the care of the children (the Government calls the housing of single mothers "helping families, but really they are displacing both parents income and requiring the father to forfeit parenting). The mother can then take the children off the father and all he can do is spend £thousands at court to pay for CAFCASS to write a disparaging narrative about him. If you are a father to children, whose mother has been given "social housing" then you are a victim...and so are the children.
@@manifest2203 I'm not sure what you mean by this. It's not about choosing. Fathers have no choice. They aren't really sharing the care of children with the mother; they are competing for property with Government. Local Authorities only sell "bedroom entitlements" to a parent that claims the child benefits. And once they have the house they are required to have the children more to justify not going to work. The Government aren't selling Lifetime tenancies (with the prospect of home ownership) for 50% of childcare for free... ...it's Statutory controlled parenting. They are giving housing so make take children from fathers.
@@stevenmackay3342 that’s what m4n say- that women should simply choose better. When women say that their husband doesn’t parent the children, doesn’t do household work, derby after a OF girl, went after an office worker, this is the answer they give- that she should have chosen better. So men need to follow the same advice.
Respect women, don't be awkward around them, be kind, have relationship with God. Try to be a good force. Have ambition but avoid selfishness. Resist consumerism. You will feel better and actually mean something to others and to yourself.
There will always be problems in society. If you are not needed at home, go out and find places that need help. I am pretty sure many volunteer organizations would love to have some extra hands.
I need myself first of all, in the absence of a relationship I do not lose anything, my life is calm and without dramas. Literally thanks to men everything was created in this world except nature, men greatly underestimate themselves, I think those men who ask themselves the question "who needs me" were brought up this way from childhood, they owe everyone except themselves and they do not have self-love.
Anyone who utters something as ridiculous as 'real masculinity is about giving more than you get back' should be ignored. If it is true that a particular group - identified as 'masculine' - has this expectation, my question is - who's on the other side of that expectation? Who's supposed to be getting more than is given back? Answer this question, and you'll figure out who's agenda is being advanced here.
Modern society and all its amenities have been built because it's male citizens were willing to produce better conditions from raw materials. That's the essence of giving back more than you have to work with. Any time you build a piece of IKEA furniture, you're doing the same thing. The idea of production from nothing isn't as insulting as you make it out to be.
@@LordHaragnok Sure, but as I asked in my original post - who benefits? As an aside - once I put my giving in balance with my getting, I was able to afford furniture that did NOT require me to put it together.
Services and legal systems in UK send a direct message to men that they are not needed and mother takes full priority. There’s no balance or equality and the children ultimately suffer. This needs to change. The system needs an overhaul.
And adult men, and especially fathers, need to demand it - don't vote for more money to the wrong issues, vote for equal paternal leave and father's rights. Join the right unions. Learn about the Nordic countries to boost your arguments efficiently! There truly are no free lunches, you have to demand and insist on your rights, and the right of your children to have two functioning and loving parents.
@@DNA350ppm they don’t file for custody. When they do, they get it. They want to be seasonal parents and want to bla6me the mother. They aren’t going to demand anything because they have never done anything for themselves.
Which is cause and which is effect? In my life experience with the people I know, generally the women became independent because the men couldn’t be depended on.
I very much agree with this. Sadly that was the pattern in my family for many years. We may have finally broken the cycle with my amazing husband and my brother in law who is also a great guy.
What you're telling men is that women in mass numbers are choosing men who can't be depended on to start families with? Why aren't women choosing dependable men?
But they didn't become independent. They became dependent on the system which the men built. If the men continue to check out, the system will fall apart. And I don't think that will look very good for women.
I'm 72 so have had a lot of experience with men. I was also a councilor for a domestic abuse shelter near Chicago in a wealthy suburb where "nothing bad happens". We were always full. Our biology makes men aggressive to hunt. Women multitask since they maintain the home and children. Men could impose their will because they are stronger. We are in an information age where that is less of an outlet for their aggression. I've stayed single for 40 years after my divorce because I needed some peace.
Not all men are aggressive, please stop generalizing. They are sufficient outlets to vent frustrations, aggression and other wild behaviors. Men are not supposed to beat women as they do with punch bags. Really!!!
Respect for what you did and helped out. Would love to hear your insight how the abuse started, was it always the men or did the women leave details out of their story to keep the victim hood narrative alive. Most women have crab mentality, misery loves company. No matter you are in wealthy suburb or not as boredom of chores and life kicks in no matter how wealthy you are. Women forfeit their security, safety and respect in a blink of an eye without thinking through the consequences. For you 40y and counting, you saved another man's misery. So thank you for adding your grain of sand helping the women and stop the perpetuation of inflicting misery on other males.
@@User-fo8yx There are so many layers. Again, Generalizations and I recommend "The Naked Ape" by Desmond Morris. My guess it starts with the sexual needs of men and being rejected. Having children is stressful. Modern life is crazy. ALL people look for stress relief. I'm not saying women are saints. The husband brings work stress and the mom hits the kids. Women have more complex brains and that frustrates men. Then women develop coping quirks. Look how many men are annoyed that Harris laughs a lot. Laughing is sending a signal that you aren't a threat...but then it's a cover for real deep emotions. Misery on men? Find me a men's shelter. Men need shelter too but the BIGGEST percentage of women in shelters is needing safety from men.
Personally I just love peace. I am a good guy and I listen, you know? So, when their shouting of 'we don't need you' was everywhere, I listened. I left to help someone who really need me in the world, through fire and water. Now they start to say 'we need you', will I go back? No. You don't really "need" me. I feel much happier here. I'm fine.
it's odd cause it's true, men need to be needed, otherwise they won't participate the same amount. In China there is the phenomenon of lying flat, "tang ping"
Well I have always felt needed BY MY CHILDREN and still do, even though they are grow up! My experience and capability is of great benefit both to them and me. I've been there and got the T shirt. So I still perform a stable backdrop to their problems. One day I may need their help. Yes I feel needed, and always will.
If you ask my wife, she would say YES. I was on a work trip and she felt the full effect of not having me home with kids. My wife sees how much I do and values it. She is a sweet person, loving and caring. She knows how the gender roles is and is happy. We never say no if any ask for help, it’s about having empathy and teamwork. My wife says she doesn’t want to remarry if I died, because she wants to bother with dating, wasn’t fun n her 20’s, would be worse in her late 40’s.
All items of being a “provider” are correlated with men attaining respect. We thirst for respect. We cannot function without it. Society is has stripped respect away from men.
wut? I don't care what random morons think about me. "Men" don't care about it. Immature, insecure man children do 😂 Anyway, people don't "respect" providers. They "respect" tall, muscular, handsome, rich, high-status men. Not mules.
What do you mean by respect? To me it sounds like you are talking about control, because that`s what being a provider gave to men. People can respect you quite well without being materially dependant on you if you actually earn their respect. People treating you well because you provide for them is not respect, it`s servitude. The server in a restaurant doesn`t treat you cordially because they respect you, they do so because they depend on you. It`s the same with everybody else who depends on you, everybody who needs you, unless you actually earn their respect by consistently acting like a decent person and respecting them just as much as they respect you.
@@anthill1510 fighting for your tribe and protecting the people you love have nothing to do with power over those people. It’s the feeling of being needed. You slob.
But being needed isn't enough. And being liked can also be bad. If the people needing and liking you are doing so to only serve their own needs and wants, you feel used. You need to be noticed, understood and appreciated for who you are, not just for the utility and fun you can provide for others.
I love men, just develop yourself, do the right things, build character, be of service, grow your spiritual self, be kind respectful and wise. You are needed, but there is something else going on that women are not responsible for .
I actually think the title of Arnold Schwarzenegger's book is all the advice men need. Be useful. Doesn't matter how, just be useful in some way to someone else. It gives a sense of purpose and living in the present.
It’s not whether this sick, corrupt, broken dystopia needs us. It wouldn’t last five minutes without the efforts and contributions of good men. Ask instead: Does it, as presently constituted, deserve good men?
First part he describes is the first verse of the song “Pure Comedy” by Father John Misty It goes…”the comedy of man begins like this, our brains are way too big for our mothers hips”
Men are needed. People are needed when they build connection to other people and engage with community. It doesn`t matter if somebody is a man or a woman or whatever. If you have friends, they need you. If you have a family, they need you. If you are part of a community, they need you. It doesn`t matter if it`s to have a beer together after a stressful day or to help somebody move, men are needed as people. I think that`s the "crises" they are talking about: Men only being needed as people, not specifically as MEN. It seems like some men think if the thing they are needed for is something women are also capable of, than it`s not worth anything.They don`t actually complain about not being needed, they complain about not being indispensable. Because being indispensable gives you power. 20 years ago men weren`t more needed than today, but we had a society that forced women to rely on men , making men indispensable and therefore giving them all the power. That has now changed and that`s what men in these podcasts are actuallly complaining about.
Yes. The time that women have had the most basic human rights (last 50 years) have been the easiest time to be alive in all human history BUT men wont appreciate it because no matter how easy life is they lament the loss of power.
"we had a society that forced women to rely on men." Nobody forced women to rely on men. They do rely on men, and society has pretended that they do not. This lack of awareness has created the conditions for the wholesale disrespect of men and the misguided notion that women are somehow institutionally oppressed in the West in the 21st century to flourish. Make no mistake, men operate this country. We fix the roads, we build the buildings, we fix the sewers, we man the electrical stations, we work the coal plants, we walk the beat, we carry the fire hoses, we fly the planes, we fix the cars, we drive the trucks, we walk point... Why? To support our families *because when it comes to money, there's suddenly no confusion that that's a man's job*. Any man who doesn't take care of his family isn't seen as a man in the eyes of a woman, but yet we give her the right to judge and complain as a society. It's really a disgusting turn of events in this country led by incredibly narcissistic and arrogant political entities.
@@seancooper5140 Until 50 years ago women weren`t even allowed to open their own bank accounts without their husbands permission. Women didn`t have a say or leadership roles in anything, not in the workplace and not in their own homes. As of today medications are still administered in dosis made for men, and women are dying from the effects of too high dosis. Because nobody ever cared to test the medications on women even though it`s very obvious women weigh less and have different hormones, so that you need different dosis for women. But nobody cared to think of women because all the doctors, researchers and people who made the decisions were men and that hasn`t changed enough yet to change these practices. I could go on, there is endless examples of how these old power structures still negatively effect womens lives today. That`s what I am talking about when I say men had power over women. Even the lowest men still pretty much owned his wife like an indentured servant. The effects of that are still with us today and men who talk about "men are not needed any more" are complaining about the fact that the last signs of that old power structure are fading. I know that there is just as many men living at the bottom of the social hierachy as there is women. But down there, men were still the ones subjugating women, still the only ones being considered compared to women. That`s what I am talking about.
Wow! This is a Golden comment! Very interesting and I agree with you. Men should accept the new status quo and find a way to cooperate instead of holding the power. We are all equally worthy of power as human beings, no more fake privileges. I love men, but now finally the times are fair at least in the West. You can't complain that things are fair, just because it's in your disadvantage. Find a new way to make it work. Hugs
After living as an American in Thailand for 7 months I can say, that I have found the life that we could only dream of in the west, but in the west you pay 10x more just to try.
@@gunnsmoke357 Its no BS. My 70 something aunt is a widow. All her elderly friends have been single by choice for decades. None of them have felt men could improve their lives any. I myself was done by age 34
@@ClaireGreen-wd2gm funny how women do not need men when life has become easier for them with advancements of technology created by men, or by subsidies from governments or corporations. Why did women not be done with men 100 years or 200 years ago. Don't give me an answer they were oppressed by men. That is a farce created by feminist's.
Death shortly after retirement is a consequence of the damage done to boys by schooling. Children are taken younger and younger to be broken to the classroom in preparation of the factory/office. The most powerful thing anyone, especially men, can do is to separate their self value from their work often chosen by default. Your job will be taken from you at some point, either because you've aged or because your business has faltered. To have to be needed is to give others control of your life, to enslave you. Enjoy it be don't depend on it. Stop being a slave to society. Do work to make money, to feel useful, but don't let them train you to the harness where you are lost if you become detached. Reeves knows if boys, then men, become free agents and not enslaved to society, then those who depend on those men's extra increment--women, academics, etc.---will suffer as men live their lives free.
Every single man has the capacity to be a good, strong, moral leader. But at the end of the day we are what you say we are. If you say we are not real men then we won't be real men
Whatever happens, even if the centre does not hold and everything falls into ruins, even then, you will never, ever, persuade women to accept any accountability for any part of it.
Watching that russian video where all the men are dying at war while all the women are at clubs was so telling and hurtful no matter what country it is.
@@tanyakilbane7636 No, it's not propaganda, I'm from Russia and I personally know women who cheated on them with their lovers while their husbands were at war, they spent the money their husbands sent them on entertainment and expensive things
Author Jason Wilson says that masculinity means serving others. I wish I could remember which platform interviewed him when he said this. If you know, please share. I think it may have been on one of Lewis Howes's podcasts.
Reeves has said something very similar - that 'Real' masculinity is about giving more than you get back. Even has the shaming element attached (plot twist - this no longer works). Assuming this is the case, ask yourself who's being served by masculinity? Who's getting more from masculinity than they give back? It becomes very clear who's concerns are actually being addressed. Hint - think 'opposite of masculinity'.
Dimorphic masculine traits are evolutionarily selected for for being the most capable of violently taking from others what you yourself want. It literally has nothing to do with serving others, there's a reason why violence is the most basic tool of every male creature on the planet with the most dimorphicaly male being the most violently successful
Great episode! Even more relevant with the advent of AI - as more jobs disappear, what are we all going to do? Sit home and play video games and collect UBI? Doesn’t work, men in particular need to feel needed. Someone better start thinking about things or we’re headed for crisis.
Yeah, begin tidy your room and dig in the garden. Don t just sit there and moan about the lack of appreciation from someone else. Playing videogames and sitting on your chair in a room won t get you women at your door to care for your. Go out and find a cause or something to fight for and then someone might see you and want to get to know you!!!
Lol m4n are already living with more add5ct6ions than anyone will ever admit. All add5ctuons affect them more: p8rn, video games, social media, sports, substances, alcohol, gambling and so on. We are already there. Eventually w5m4n get rid of the de6ad we8ght.
Men are needed to help raise children. But, my ex thought I worked for him. I didn't need that. I quit. I think its more about a loss of power and control, but that could just be my experience.
@@BelindaHutchinson-u8b wait till you marry/ partner again! I know not all men are the same, but there was a power dynamic in traditional marriages when women obeyed their husbands. I'm of the boomer generation.
@@BelindaHutchinson-u8b You choose a "bad boy" and now blame everyone else for your bad choices. Modern women refuse to accept responsibility for anything.
Perhaps the fact that a man cannot be the sole provider, in an economy that requires 2 incomes to get by, is part of the problem. Maybe women are resentful that we have to be co-providers.
It’s not just matter of providing…a man and a woman should be able to provide for themselves to begin with. So that are not financially totally dependent on someone else. (Misfortunes happen and when you depend solely on someone else is never a good idea) Secondly women need to exercise their talents and inclinations as much as men while both take care of their family with equal effort. And thus both are without doubt needed. The partner without financial independence at the end of the day becomes a kind of hostage… inside partnership. And prone to abuse. Not to mention how insufficient is nowadays when only one partner contributes financially. So…. People should get real.. respect each other and not feel intimidated all the time because of their insecurities. Of course men are needed. Even by competent and self sufficient women.
Thank you! People are needed when they build connection to other people and engage with community. It doesn`t matter if somebody is a man or a woman or whatever. If you have friends, they need you. If you have a family, they need you. If you are part of a community, they need you. It doesn`t matter if it`s to have a beer together after a stressful day or to help somebody move, men are needed as people. I think that`s the "crises" they are talking about: Men only being needed as people, not specifically as MEN. It seems like some men think if the thing they are needed for is something women are also capable of, than it`s not worth anything. They don`t actually complain about not being needed, they complain about not being indispensable. Because being indispensable gives you power. 20 years ago men weren`t more needed than today, but we had a society that forced women to rely on men , making men indispensable and therefore giving them all the power. That has now changed and that`s what men in these podcasts are actuallly complaining about.
@anthill1510 let me guess, you never did plumbing and most likely didn't even hold a screwdriver in your hand. Can't wait to see all the "stunning and brave" after most men check out and lights go off.😂😂😂
@@dmitryisakov8769 Did you even read my comment? It`s a bit sad that you read a comment where I say men are needed and are valuable as people and your reply is belitteling and threatening women. You don`t want men to be needed, you want them to have power over everybody else. For your information: When I was a young teenager my parents build a house all by themselves and I had to help with everything. So yes, I actually did plumbing. Using a srewdriver, are you kidding me? I worked on a building site, doing all the physical labor, operating machines, carrying stuff that was damn too heavy for me. I have trouble finding shirts that fit me because my shoulders got to broad for womens clothing. I now work in warehouses alongside men, doing the same work. So if men check out, I and the rest of society will be just fine. I don`t want men to check out, I have good friends and cousins who are men and are good people. I think I like them because they don`t need to threaten women to feel valuable as men. Maybe you can find men like that and learn from them, it will make you less afraid of "not being needed".
..hasn`t it become below sanity, that people can`t understand, that first you seek some water, then seek some food, then seek shelter, then seek the opposit sex to have children, company and someone to share and enjoy and fight alongside with? Tell them, that speak is silver and silence is gold, then it is up to their ability to catch the drift.
I kinda feel after listening to this video, that it's easier than i thought. Gender roles in couples at least need to be removed. If one of the people in a couple earns enough to support the family then the other can take care of the kids, both are needed. If both provide equally, if not similarly, then both should split the family duties. The thing is, some men are still reluctant of home duties, or think it's a female task. And if a woman can both work and sustain a home then there's no need for a man. But both should be needed. Both should participate in order to keep the family safe and find purpose and meaning by doing so. Of course there are many ways to find purpose apart from family/kids, that applies to both men and women. But I'm talking about family dynamics now that women entered the labor force. If more men participated willingly in the home duties maybe more women would choose to have children, now that that's becoming an issue. Giving some context: i'm 30+ , latinamerican, now at last in a nice relationship asking myself if i want to marry and have children or not. I'm actively trying to make my significant other feel needed and split house duties even tho i was teached men would only work and watch tv and i need to take care of everything else (while working 9 to 6)
Half a baked potato. This academic is a half baked potato. The Extended Family of the Old Stone Age meant that the women giving birth had mother, grandmother, sister and aunts all around her. Helping, supporting and making sure both were feed. Yes, the ever present father figure was now a semi permanent invested parent until the child hit puberty. At which time the adolescent girl or boy passed into the circle and care of the elder women and men. But this rubbish of the late 19th century invented 'Nuclear Family' against the world is just that. Fashionable ideological rubbish. Homo Sapiens are a large tribal biological machine. That's how we outlasted all the other Homos (Human) species. Their social structures were smaller and therefore less flexible to rapid change within the environment. It's time to call out bull. Time to restore the Extended Family.
All the women in here blaming this on "generations of men not being dependable" - you are delusional. There are always good men and bad men out there. Trouble is, many young women go for the bad boys because they're cute and thrilling - and they make you "feel so good." Then when they turn out to be losers you say all men are trash and can't be depended on? What a load of crap. Maybe you should be accountable for your mistake and admit you were totally blind to all the good guys you could have gotten with - but they were invisible to you! Don't blame men - blame your poor decisions and lack of forward-thinking.
There's another dynamic that I think is under-appreciated - the majority of the women trying to lock down the bad boy will fail, at which point many of them will start looking for the 'good guys' to settle for\down with (this seems to happen in their late 20s thru mid 30s). Those good guys are increasing being made aware that this is a bad deal for them, and are pursuing other options.
There is a habit of talking about the increased rate of suicide amongst men, but usually ignoring the fact that the suicide attempts by women are much higher. What does that signify?
Yeah, you need us, but you'll allow us to get our hearts, and wealth dashed to pieces in a divorce, and then expect us to provide at the same level, though there won't be any physical intimacy, or emotional support, after the divorce. Sucking us dry like a parasite, with no dopamine coming back to us.
Well this is so sad 🥹…. We woman and children do need men! We love them and truly want and need them. We as woman need to show this more BUT I also think men need to learn how to SHOW UP more for their families 😔🙏🏻. How can I show my appreciation if he doesn’t show up? My ex has poured everything into his work, leaving me to tend for our kids AND work AND care for everything in our house! After 10 years he also looked for love and attention elsewhere. Now I am also left with all the bills. This is not what we woman want or ever wanted. UGE problem but the solution HAS to come from both ways. Men are needed! We woman can not carry the load alone, we were never meant to. We NEED our men to SHOW UP 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
At the very least, to keep everything from falling apart, to keep other societies from invading and destroying us, to build virtually everything, to create the food, to create virtually all the great art, music, literature. If you can't see all that, or discount it as "patriarchy" you may need to let go of your main character syndrome.
Everyone laughs at me when I say I'm going to work past 65. Why wouldn't you keep working if you're healthy? I'll make more money AND collect my pension. By then, I'll be getting 8 weeks of vacation per year. And I'll probably live a longer, healthier life....sounds good to me!
I think this is a really stunted view of Men's role in society. Men are not just traditionally providers , they are fathers as well. The tole of a father in a family is vital. Families only suffer when Men are absent,. Even single parents families who are headed by fathers do almost as well as families with two biological parents. We live in a societies where men are seen so negatively and only the negative aspects are high-lighted to mainly benefit women. This is fundamental cause to men's woes.
If you look at the stats the presence of men in a family is a powerful predictor of outcomes. When they are absent children are far more likely to fall off the path in various ways. I was honestly shocked by this data but can't deny it.
@@drakoan it’s different with women for sure. Talking rudely in the name of being honest, making lewd remarks to any woman they see on the street, being quick to anger, talking disrespectfully about women online and elsewhere, bl6ming women in ways which defy all logic all the time are things m4n can stop being seen negatively. Also, that data shows class. Not father involvement. Most pro5vider fathers still don’t do much for their children. They don’t even know basics about their kids. Rich women’s kids don’t go to j6ail.
@@drakoan it’s different with women for sure. Talking rudely in the name of being honest, making lewd remarks to any woman they see on the street, being quick to anger, talking disrespectfully about women online and elsewhere, bl6ming women in ways which defy all logic all the time are things m4n can stop doing to not be seen negatively.
Hmmmm, one wonders what’s going to happen to all of the single women, who have decided not to have children, when they age out of the dating pool, and find they are also unneeded?
This is a part of the manosphere debate that I find strange. Yes, men aren't needed that much these days. That's an awesome luxury problem to have! Go do art, Or outdoor sports. Or travel the world. ... In turn I find this MGTOW (Men going their own way) thing a tad silly too. A key part of being a mature man literally means to go your own way if you're not wanted and/or needed. In this regard MGTOW is a bit like "men obeying gravity, because its the law" or something. There is a Femnoise habit of pathologizing men and their emotions and parts of Richard Reeves perspective aren't that helpful in this regard. Modern men need to put effort into learning not to derive their sense of value from how a woman or even women in general react to them. That's where having a mission or some other gender-independent inner flame can come in handy. It's from this position that a hetero-sexual man can much easier assess women and potential mates in his vicinity. All in all I would call todays situation for hetero-sexual men a win-win. It just needs to be dealt with in the correct manner.
MGTOW is the appropriate response. Western women raised by single feminist mothers were raised to challenge men at every opportunity. They were raised to be boss “babes” while these same women raised their boys as Simps, having to be “good” boys as defined by their angry feminist mothers. Be a Simp or else no love comes your way. Funny thing, the boss babes don’t want Simpy men. Now weaponized feminism has become the norm in western culture. All men bad, all men are responsible for all bad in the world. Ok. So Ya’ll don’t need a man in your life, and you don’t want the Simps your momma’s raised. Women want to be in charge, yet they simultaneously want a manly but not too manly a man.…that, right there is a confusing and untenable for men. How does a manly man simp just enough to get it right? Well, if that’s what you want, we’re good with that. Go build me a nice shiny new bridge or a road or maybe a nice skyscraper, I’ll wait, gladly make lunch and I’ll happily take the kids to the park. Not good enough? Bah! See ya later. This is not a men’s problem to solve. Women would resent men even trying to address it from a male perspective. Check the stats, who is initiating the bulk of divorce? Who are getting the degrees in education? Who? Who is buying the most shit and carrying the most debt? Now tell me again how my being born male created this issue throughout history and how my very existence is so oppressive to women. Horseshit, I’m out. Not worth the effort in any way. It’s simple, it’s too risky. MGTOW is now the only appropriate survival method my brothers. Western women broke themselves free of the constraint they experienced. Good. Don’t get me wrong, I believe that it had to happen this way and this evolutionary cycle isn’t over. Look around, It’s too toxic and too risky at to many levels for men to continue to consider marrying a western female. Fella’s there’s little reward in breeding or finding yourself having to raise another man’s child only to be divorced and held financially responsible. Does this sound familiar ladies? Men, choose yourself first. Do yourself a MAJOR favor, get a vasectomy early in life and avoid the baby trap. A vasectomy can be reversed should you find the right partner. Hold your boundaries! Choose to stay single past your twenties, by then the crazy self entitled ones have all exposed themselves and you can see clearly what they are all about. Remember! You can always buy your intimacy needs from a pro and go home to a nice peaceful space. Take the Red Pill, your self worth and your hard earned cash and go be free from this craziness and live a happy, fulfilling life as YOU choose to live it.
I think that the claim for 24 month of pregnancy is not correct. Horses are pregnant for 11-12 month. Elephants 22 month. Whales about 10 month. Gorillas 9 month. Chimpanzee 8-9 month. Lions about 110 days. Antilopes only 132 days. There is not correlation between size and carrying duration.
I mean it isn’t all doom and gloom, like I am 29 and single, yeah there were a lot of smoke and mirrors for a young man as to exactly where to put time, but what I do think is that different men experience different things. I was raised in a religious cult demanding that all young men must serve two year missions in order to get to heaven. It was physically brutal, the idea that I would put my education first was considered extremely selfish….suprise! I was right, women really only want men who are competent and have those dark triad traits. I know because I get way more female attention as compared to when I was 22 starved abused, and financially robbed return Mormon missionary. I think that If a man can’t learn to build muscle and put himself first, he will ironically be considered undesireble by society.
If you change the laws of government it will reflect on people and they will change. Example if you change laws on marriage to say "women get nothing in a divorce" and "it is the job for a woman to sexually satisfy their husband" men will want to get married asap But the laws today has killed the soul of men their maybe they decide to move to another country so that the local laws are to their favour
for the individual: (buddhist) equanimity, if possible do a job, that makes sense from someone's point of view. for the society: create living human bodies outside of women's bodies ("artificial human"), which makes us independent from demographic developments and women.
Please don’t put women is all responsible. If a men causes harm to one self or sabotage their own relationships. Ask themselves. Don’t bring upon on woman responsible for every damn wrong with other men (individual) Find your purpose in life. You’ll not feel to pleased everyone. You will find joy and in every aspect of your life. If you follow your heart. Everyone is important. Don’t blame others for misery. If you are not happy alone. Then, you won’t be happy with others. Find your own happiness. Don’t put your happiness in others.
"Men don`t feel needed any more in retirement,so they deteriorate." Does anybody ban these men from doing charity work? Does anybody ban them from caring for their grandchildren? Does anybody bar them from getting into a living arrangement with friends? Why do women need to do anything in this, care for men again, like always was expected of them? Aren`t men so terribly intelligent and useful? Why don`t they do go somewhere where they are needed, there is enough to do? Oh excuse me, there isn`t as much prestige in charity work as there was in his teamleadership position? Oh he is not the boss in that case and doesn`t get praised all the time, so being needed is suddenly not as important any more? Oh damn, if men were only needed more.
These are good non-gendered truths. While we can't control everything in our lives our lives are better if we work on what we can and take responsibility for our outcomes.
Just watch parents, a single mother will feed and clothe her children, a single father will feed and clothe his children, AND PLAY WITH THEM. A father will interact with his children much more than a mother would.
@@TheMotArt I've never once seen a mother play with her child in my entire life, but I've seen plenty of father playing with their children. When mothers interact with children, it's generally reactionary; stopping a confrontation, or correcting behaviour by telling them off, whilst a father will instigate an interaction.
You haven't been around enough women with children then there are whole clubs and group just for women with kids to interact and play to together. The libraries around me have at least 3 a day several days a week they are put together by age of the kids. I went when my kids were little all the time and there was never a man in site even the ones on the weekends.
Trevor Noah on this subject is excellent. Men have a responsibility to themselves to find ways of communicating and connecting. It is not the responsibility of women to solve this for them.
You can watch the full episode here 👉 ua-cam.com/video/_J1lFZEBq2Y/v-deo.html
Why are you censoring comments?
Once a man realizes that he won't be a father - then there's zero reason to pursue women.
Then he'll consume less. Men don't need much, and no need to show off to others if not pursuing anyone.
Then he'll realize he doesn't need to work into his 60s. Being master of ones own time is the greatest freedom anyone can enjoy. Maybe not as rewarding as family, but the best he can do.
We'd better hope AI makes labor more irrelevant before too many men follow this pattern, or a depression will occur and harm everyone.
Feminism was invented to "liberate" women But within few iterations, it is liberating men if they choose to check out.
This is why women are becoming more and more single, having fewer children, child free by choice to the point that the b5rth ra6tes across nations are falling down. But no one wants to believe women who say they are happier single. Woemn actually have much more benefits and joy in pursuing this lifestyle choice. But m4n shut it about cat ladies 🤦♀️
This is why wom4n are becoming more and more single, having fewer children, child free by choice to the point that the b5rth ra6tes across nations are falling down. But no one wants to believe women who say they are happier single. Woemn actually have much more benefits and joy in pursuing this lifestyle choice. But m4n shut it about cat ladies 🤦♀️
Same with ca5t lad8ies 🤷♀️
Na, I’ve had some great relationships with women who don’t want a family, just like I don’t want a family, I couldn’t think of anything worse.
I’ll be working into my 60s though, family or no family 😂 the world is in the toilet.
They haven't come to the conclusion, they have literally been told they're not needed. And its backed by policy.
Dude everyone likes to be around useful people. If a m6an does nothing useful around the house, doesnt offer emotioanl support, doesnt offer romance and doesnt do nice things once in a while, yes he is not needed. We women dont have anything we cant do ourselves. Also, we can pay money to others to do things we cant do. We know to take care of ourselves. We dont simply keep on wh6ning if m4n dont treat us well. We move on. Ultimately, we dont want to do things for men who would never do the same for us.
No woman is ever grateful.
@@sirg-had8821 lol you haven’t met m6en 🤣
@@manifest2203
I have no idea what kind of joke you were going for.
@@sirg-had8821 what I said is self explanatory.
I, as a man, traveled through warzones and dangerous countries such as Somalia, current Ukraine, Afghanistan and many more. People said how brave I was, but I understood deep inside that I wasn't brave, I just didn't care if I died or not. Ultimately, if I got the choice to end it suddenly without consequence I definitely would.
This focus on war and aggression is precisely not what women need, women don't need bosses either. Please, jcronin, use your strength for a useful issue that supports others. Then most women and good men will admire you, and you will not be alone. So get back from the destructive path, join the good forces! You might ask Pete Buttigieg, Tim Walz, or any guest on DOAC for good advice. Women do need helpers, but today's societal context is that men generally are not interested in helping with what the receivers' need. Women need help to stop wars and promote peace, at home, in the neighborhoods, in the regions, and abroad. Women need help to feed and educate all children in a healthy way. Women need help to provide help for those more vulnerable of any generation in need of care. Women need a just and orderly society, so that they can foresee the future and plan for the good of all, so we don't additionally to providing care also have to suffer crime, drugs, guns, and social unrest.
There a wonderful men, but other men hinder them from doing those jobs, that women need to be done. The wonderful men I know are farmers with healthy produce on their farms, teachers who help every student reach their goals and looks to it that nobody gets bullied, IT-engineers who work for useful enterprises, are helpful conscientious busdrivers, are good caring neighbors, are committed to social clubs and labor unions, in additions to being good dads.
I can really relate bro. There is something extremely liberating about that feeling, although it ultimately comes from a dark, sad place. I would say, I still think you were showing bravery as the majority of men, even feeling hopeless, would not have the guts to travel where you did. I hope there's a light somewhere at the end of the tunnel 🙏
Sure bud
Feel that for sure.
That’s liberating
There is a major difference from being someone's first "I need you" to knowing they called 100 people before you, saying that they needed them, and then eventually got to you when everyone else fell through.
Men have learned that there's no value in being the second "I need you" because we know it's a lie.
What I've learned over the years is most people don't give a shit about you. They only care about they can get from you or what you can do for them.
Yep. Are you different?
This is one of those dumb open ended comments like "in Africa every 60 seconds, a minute passes". Or also "everyone's gonna get old and die anyway, so why care about living". The logic completely misses the point of what we are talking about to solve issues.
Anyone telling you to accept giving yourself, your efforts, your resources, etc with no return is someone that wants you to accept enslavement.
Women protect their kids from the world and men prepare their kids for the world. The older I get the more I realize how important good men are to society. It's sad so many men don't understand their value since there is a ton of evidence out there for what happens when communities lack good men.
Women protect ONLY THEMSELVES.They give a frozen shit about their kids.
Yes. The balance between protection and preparation is so important. A mother has good intentions, but by herself she's like an invasive plant that starts growing by a lake and strangling all other life out of existence in favor of her own offspring.
Fathers are the ones who encourage risk, or engagement in what's known as 'rough play' which is kind of like how you socialize a puppy. You need to be able to build up mental and physical fortitude if you want to step into the world. And you need to be able to judge where boundaries are when dealing with other people.
Dude good people are punished in this world and if you speak up you just get shamed back into line its hopeless these people do not care the only thing you can do is sit back and let it burn
It's women and government who disparage the value of men. Men know their value, but they see that they are disposable to women and society.
Yea I've gotten so tired of everyone making me feel so worthless and like I have no value to them, that I've just stopped offering value to anyone
Dude had to ask about women. Can we ever, ever, ever have a conversation about men without having to say ´but what about women´
That is part of the problem. The identity politics today are just warped
Yep. M4n never talk about anything unless eventually it devolves to bla6ming women. Every single time.
@@manifest2203when did anyone blame women
or women can't handle the truth or calling out their bad attitude and double standards then when when another woman don't fall in line with their agenda they called her pick me and accuse her of being internalized misogynistic as they expect the world especially men to cater the outcome of every bad decisions they made .
or women can't handle the truth or calling out their bad attitude and double standards then when when another woman don't fall in line with their agenda they called her pick me and accuse her of being internalized misogynistic as they expect the world especially men to cater the outcome of every bad decisions they made .
It makes sense that now men's usefulness is being examined. Women saw this begin in the 60s and finally motherhood and women's role as care givers to children and home makers was belittled, Women were urged to pull their weight and get out to work, pay taxes and 'fulfil their potential'. This lie quickly escalated into outsourcing toddler care. The general acceptance of divorce has demeaned marriage. I am a 67yr old wife of 45 years and mother of two men who don't seem interested in women, marriage or families as they don't think they can afford that life.
Only feminists belittled the traditional homemaker role in the 60s. Everyone else was at a minimum appreciative and some idolatry was involved. Just look at how motherhood was portrayed in (non-feminist) tv shows.
Those street interviews are very telling. When women are asked ‘do we need men’, they all say no. When men are asked do we need women, they all say yes. And yet they call us the misogynists whilst revelling in their misandry.
To be needed is not the same as being loved. Men say need women to cater to theur needs, not because they care about them. At least women are honest about themselves. Please appreciate.
@mon_ange333mony4 be honest without men building the modern world of conveniences - You wouldn't have that thought
@@TheRds797 They made them so that women would care for them better and get all that praise, not because they needed to use them themselves. Otherwise why do they moan so much about being left out?
Yes, so women just think and but in reality my assumption would be 1) they feel lonely 2) they still would like to have a stronger men (I belive women are programmed to seek safety). Men responded, because they want to be taken care of, also want good sex but if possible without commitment.....
Women believe they don’t need men - that’s the basis of feminism. They are all boss babes now - they’ve got their own jobs and pump their own gas.
I must be different. I HATE being needed. When people “need” me it means they want me to make an effort for their goal with no reward.
Most people are looking for a 'good deal' (most benefit, for least cost). Once I stopped letting that come at my expense, at least 90% of the people in my life vanished within a year.
You're absolutely RIGHT 100%.
Every time, forget helping others, they don't deserve it and it's never reciprocated.
@shortymccutlery8919 I deserve it,i always reciprocated but nobody helped me.I was cast out even by my own family.I don't do drugs,do not drink and i'm a hard worker.I survive until today thank to my work capacity,powerfull will to survive amd not giving a shit about my scumbag family.Do not forget :
FAMILY IS YOUR FIRST ENEMY,DON'T TRUST THEM.
THEY WILL EAT YOU ALIVE !
You’re damn right, too many people are opportunists!
We live in a time when the lack of and excessive need for attention is at psychopathic proportions. Scottie beam me up! It's nauseating.
You are absolutely correct.
We're needed but not wanted
"Keep things running smoothly so we can be comfortable while we talk about not needing you"
Go East.Young man.
@@Doberman_6773we should just stop serving and pandering all together, and see how things work out for them.
@@anti-Russia-sigmathe east isn't any better or all that different.
And not appreciated
The fact that they don’t talk openly about what’s happening to men , says it all
There's one correct response to anti-man rhetoric:
"Men aren't needed - I don't need a man!"
"ok"
And leave.
SigmaShadowMgtowGang
We run away from btchs like they the plague
If we look to where the word provide comes from (late Middle English - ‘prepare to do, get ready’ -/ from Latin providere ‘foresee, attend to’) I think there is embedded a more mature idea of leadership roles, and visionary outlook, rather than simply being the supplier of material goods that seems to make up the modern day understanding.
I believe emotional problems like this trace back to 1960s social engineering.
Yes!
Yes.
Earlier…the seeds were planted late 1800s with Marxism, Bolshevism. and socialism.
Absolutely and it went mainstream and it's not getting better
@knightheaven8992 yeah it's getting much worse.
I have a job...2 full time jobs actually...still feel useless. I can barely provide and I have no time for myself.
And that’s the oligarchy.
THAT’S what we need to fight
So don't.
I scaled down on work after miraculously surviving a killer incident. I had a close look at retirement plans, how they're not done with increasing retirement age and decreasing payouts, I realised that I will never have those promised few good years. Most likely I will die first. So *right now* is the only time I have for living.
Used to just work, eat and sleep. Now I have a small spot of time for myself.
I despise this society with every fiber of my being
there was this debate about men being obsolete, it's so incredibly evil and this message made a lot of damage to young men i feel, no wonder they go to Jordan Peterson to have some sort of encouraging words. we leave men behind at our own peril.
@@francoisbl4324 men have such an important role to play I hope they do listen to Jordan Peterson and start taking on the responsibilities he talks about
No one is leaving men behind. They are doing it to themselves.
@@manifest2203 lol and you have contributed nothing but misandry
@@manifest2203How so?
@@manifest2203 Nothing happens in a vacuum.
I know how much the job needs me by the amount of money they pay. For every job in my life the answer has been, very little. I would suggest you find reasons for living other than your job. They will replace you and never give you a second thought.
Great video. Gentlemen the answer to your depression is serving the society that doesn't need you or notice you. I hope this message reaches as many young men as possible.
this is crazy.. we're not your slaves..
@@Terrapin47-s8y in a weird way, serving society serves you most. It makes no sense but try it
I serve none of you simpletons, the human race is a complete clown show generally speaking
The world has become a cold place.
Nonsense.Global warming is happening.
I struggled with not being needed by family and women when I was in my late teens/early twenties but I've come to accept it. All romantic relationships eventually failed because my nature prevents me from becoming subservient to women's need for a beta orbiter. It's just not within my nature and I'd rather be alone than beg for crumbs in exchange for giving my all. There are other things to enjoy in life, you just have to open your eyes and see them!
God should just let us good men be really rich. Imagine how amazing the world would quickly get.
In the UK Government renders Fathers redundant if Mothers seperate from them. Government will provide for a mother if she seperates from a father and then becomes homeless. Fathers are then coerced into giving up the care of the children (the Government calls the housing of single mothers "helping families, but really they are displacing both parents income and requiring the father to forfeit parenting). The mother can then take the children off the father and all he can do is spend £thousands at court to pay for CAFCASS to write a disparaging narrative about him. If you are a father to children, whose mother has been given "social housing" then you are a victim...and so are the children.
A heavily biased system that is in no way fair or “equality” for all.
Maybe the father should choose better. Men need to follow their own advice.
@@manifest2203 I'm not sure what you mean by this.
It's not about choosing. Fathers have no choice. They aren't really sharing the care of children with the mother; they are competing for property with Government. Local Authorities only sell "bedroom entitlements" to a parent that claims the child benefits. And once they have the house they are required to have the children more to justify not going to work. The Government aren't selling Lifetime tenancies (with the prospect of home ownership) for 50% of childcare for free...
...it's Statutory controlled parenting. They are giving housing so make take children from fathers.
@@stevenmackay3342 that’s what m4n say- that women should simply choose better. When women say that their husband doesn’t parent the children, doesn’t do household work, derby after a OF girl, went after an office worker, this is the answer they give- that she should have chosen better. So men need to follow the same advice.
@@stevenmackay3342that is bullshit and you know it. Sad for you
Respect women, don't be awkward around them, be kind, have relationship with God. Try to be a good force. Have ambition but avoid selfishness. Resist consumerism.
You will feel better and actually mean something to others and to yourself.
I left the u.s because of 1 sided power. I'm happy and retired in another country.
Latin America?
There will always be problems in society. If you are not needed at home, go out and find places that need help. I am pretty sure many volunteer organizations would love to have some extra hands.
@@armorbearer9702 working alongside a bunch of Karen's is definitely intriguing
I need myself first of all, in the absence of a relationship I do not lose anything, my life is calm and without dramas. Literally thanks to men everything was created in this world except nature, men greatly underestimate themselves, I think those men who ask themselves the question "who needs me" were brought up this way from childhood, they owe everyone except themselves and they do not have self-love.
So many valuable messages in this 🙏🏼
Anyone who utters something as ridiculous as 'real masculinity is about giving more than you get back' should be ignored. If it is true that a particular group - identified as 'masculine' - has this expectation, my question is - who's on the other side of that expectation? Who's supposed to be getting more than is given back? Answer this question, and you'll figure out who's agenda is being advanced here.
It’s because m4n have only been takers until now.
Society?
The churches
Modern society and all its amenities have been built because it's male citizens were willing to produce better conditions from raw materials. That's the essence of giving back more than you have to work with. Any time you build a piece of IKEA furniture, you're doing the same thing. The idea of production from nothing isn't as insulting as you make it out to be.
@@LordHaragnok Sure, but as I asked in my original post - who benefits?
As an aside - once I put my giving in balance with my getting, I was able to afford furniture that did NOT require me to put it together.
Yes we do need our men !!! Fab guest, thankyou 🎉
Speak for yourself!!
Services and legal systems in UK send a direct message to men that they are not needed and mother takes full priority. There’s no balance or equality and the children ultimately suffer. This needs to change. The system needs an overhaul.
And adult men, and especially fathers, need to demand it - don't vote for more money to the wrong issues, vote for equal paternal leave and father's rights. Join the right unions. Learn about the Nordic countries to boost your arguments efficiently! There truly are no free lunches, you have to demand and insist on your rights, and the right of your children to have two functioning and loving parents.
@@DNA350ppm they don’t file for custody. When they do, they get it. They want to be seasonal parents and want to bla6me the mother. They aren’t going to demand anything because they have never done anything for themselves.
@@manifest2203That's a gross generalisation.
Fight that system cause its spreading to other countries that only copy the bad stuff like Mexico
Which is cause and which is effect? In my life experience with the people I know, generally the women became independent because the men couldn’t be depended on.
I very much agree with this. Sadly that was the pattern in my family for many years. We may have finally broken the cycle with my amazing husband and my brother in law who is also a great guy.
What you're telling men is that women in mass numbers are choosing men who can't be depended on to start families with?
Why aren't women choosing dependable men?
But they didn't become independent. They became dependent on the system which the men built. If the men continue to check out, the system will fall apart. And I don't think that will look very good for women.
@@blessos Woman want to be in charge, but responsible for nothing. That is there Nirvana.
@@Danny-bd1ch Their*
How could you come to such a question "why do we need men?" This is absurd
Next they will say we don't need trees, bees, ants, we don't need anything, just women lol 😂😂
I'm 72 so have had a lot of experience with men. I was also a councilor for a domestic abuse shelter near Chicago in a wealthy suburb where "nothing bad happens". We were always full. Our biology makes men aggressive to hunt. Women multitask since they maintain the home and children. Men could impose their will because they are stronger. We are in an information age where that is less of an outlet for their aggression.
I've stayed single for 40 years after my divorce because I needed some peace.
Not all men are aggressive, please stop generalizing. They are sufficient outlets to vent frustrations, aggression and other wild behaviors. Men are not supposed to beat women as they do with punch bags. Really!!!
Respect for what you did and helped out. Would love to hear your insight how the abuse started, was it always the men or did the women leave details out of their story to keep the victim hood narrative alive. Most women have crab mentality, misery loves company. No matter you are in wealthy suburb or not as boredom of chores and life kicks in no matter how wealthy you are. Women forfeit their security, safety and respect in a blink of an eye without thinking through the consequences. For you 40y and counting, you saved another man's misery. So thank you for adding your grain of sand helping the women and stop the perpetuation of inflicting misery on other males.
@@mon_ange333mony4 I would have assumed it to be understood it was a generalization. A good book "The Naked Ape" by Desmond Morris
@@User-fo8yx There are so many layers. Again, Generalizations and I recommend "The Naked Ape" by Desmond Morris. My guess it starts with the sexual needs of men and being rejected. Having children is stressful. Modern life is crazy. ALL people look for stress relief. I'm not saying women are saints. The husband brings work stress and the mom hits the kids. Women have more complex brains and that frustrates men. Then women develop coping quirks. Look how many men are annoyed that Harris laughs a lot. Laughing is sending a signal that you aren't a threat...but then it's a cover for real deep emotions.
Misery on men? Find me a men's shelter. Men need shelter too but the BIGGEST percentage of women in shelters is needing safety from men.
I hope you were able to find peace. Maybe you’ve found love in your later years. Separation is devastating
Personally I just love peace. I am a good guy and I listen, you know? So, when their shouting of 'we don't need you' was everywhere, I listened. I left to help someone who really need me in the world, through fire and water. Now they start to say 'we need you', will I go back? No. You don't really "need" me. I feel much happier here. I'm fine.
Your comment section seems to be riddled by bitter feminists.
The podcaster’s company is run by a feminist who said her mission is to destroy the patriarchy (in order to help men)
it's odd cause it's true, men need to be needed, otherwise they won't participate the same amount. In China there is the phenomenon of lying flat, "tang ping"
Of course it is, he panders to them
Well I have always felt needed BY MY CHILDREN and still do, even though they are grow up! My experience and capability is of great benefit both to them and me. I've been there and got the T shirt. So I still perform a stable backdrop to their problems. One day I may need their help. Yes I feel needed, and always will.
If you ask my wife, she would say YES. I was on a work trip and she felt the full effect of not having me home with kids. My wife sees how much I do and values it. She is a sweet person, loving and caring. She knows how the gender roles is and is happy. We never say no if any ask for help, it’s about having empathy and teamwork. My wife says she doesn’t want to remarry if I died, because she wants to bother with dating, wasn’t fun n her 20’s, would be worse in her late 40’s.
Needed for? Ask the full question as it’s dependant (same for women)
Also there’s a difference between being needed and wanted
All items of being a “provider” are correlated with men attaining respect. We thirst for respect. We cannot function without it. Society is has stripped respect away from men.
wut?
I don't care what random morons think about me.
"Men" don't care about it.
Immature, insecure man children do 😂
Anyway, people don't "respect" providers. They "respect" tall, muscular, handsome, rich, high-status men. Not mules.
Maybe society has stripped respect away from men, but women never had any...
@@xanperia so true…
What do you mean by respect? To me it sounds like you are talking about control, because that`s what being a provider gave to men. People can respect you quite well without being materially dependant on you if you actually earn their respect. People treating you well because you provide for them is not respect, it`s servitude.
The server in a restaurant doesn`t treat you cordially because they respect you, they do so because they depend on you. It`s the same with everybody else who depends on you, everybody who needs you, unless you actually earn their respect by consistently acting like a decent person and respecting them just as much as they respect you.
@@anthill1510 fighting for your tribe and protecting the people you love have nothing to do with power over those people. It’s the feeling of being needed. You slob.
But being needed isn't enough. And being liked can also be bad. If the people needing and liking you are doing so to only serve their own needs and wants, you feel used. You need to be noticed, understood and appreciated for who you are, not just for the utility and fun you can provide for others.
I love men, just develop yourself, do the right things, build character, be of service, grow your spiritual self, be kind respectful and wise. You are needed, but there is something else going on that women are not responsible for .
Starting to sound like propoganda now something else is going on I still see men on top desired needed, and wanted.
Sounds like all the men I know. Not the ones who are portrayed in the media. Silent majority I guess.
They fail to upskill and be of use. How can a woman cohabitate if they don’t share a life but expect free service?
Porn ruins a man, and men only want to watch porn, not work to better themselves.
Nope , women are responsible. Disabuse yourself of the notion that their could be any other factor other than women who is at fault.
I actually think the title of Arnold Schwarzenegger's book is all the advice men need. Be useful. Doesn't matter how, just be useful in some way to someone else. It gives a sense of purpose and living in the present.
It’s not whether this sick, corrupt, broken dystopia needs us. It wouldn’t last five minutes without the efforts and contributions of good men.
Ask instead: Does it, as presently constituted, deserve good men?
First part he describes is the first verse of the song “Pure Comedy” by Father John Misty
It goes…”the comedy of man begins like this, our brains are way too big for our mothers hips”
Men are needed. People are needed when they build connection to other people and engage with community. It doesn`t matter if somebody is a man or a woman or whatever. If you have friends, they need you. If you have a family, they need you. If you are part of a community, they need you. It doesn`t matter if it`s to have a beer together after a stressful day or to help somebody move, men are needed as people.
I think that`s the "crises" they are talking about: Men only being needed as people, not specifically as MEN. It seems like some men think if the thing they are needed for is something women are also capable of, than it`s not worth anything.They don`t actually complain about not being needed, they complain about not being indispensable. Because being indispensable gives you power.
20 years ago men weren`t more needed than today, but we had a society that forced women to rely on men , making men indispensable and therefore giving them all the power. That has now changed and that`s what men in these podcasts are actuallly complaining about.
Yes. The time that women have had the most basic human rights (last 50 years) have been the easiest time to be alive in all human history BUT men wont appreciate it because no matter how easy life is they lament the loss of power.
"we had a society that forced women to rely on men."
Nobody forced women to rely on men. They do rely on men, and society has pretended that they do not. This lack of awareness has created the conditions for the wholesale disrespect of men and the misguided notion that women are somehow institutionally oppressed in the West in the 21st century to flourish.
Make no mistake, men operate this country. We fix the roads, we build the buildings, we fix the sewers, we man the electrical stations, we work the coal plants, we walk the beat, we carry the fire hoses, we fly the planes, we fix the cars, we drive the trucks, we walk point...
Why? To support our families *because when it comes to money, there's suddenly no confusion that that's a man's job*. Any man who doesn't take care of his family isn't seen as a man in the eyes of a woman, but yet we give her the right to judge and complain as a society. It's really a disgusting turn of events in this country led by incredibly narcissistic and arrogant political entities.
Most men don't have (and never had nor imagined having) the position of power you seem to assume is part of the male experience.
@@seancooper5140 Until 50 years ago women weren`t even allowed to open their own bank accounts without their husbands permission. Women didn`t have a say or leadership roles in anything, not in the workplace and not in their own homes.
As of today medications are still administered in dosis made for men, and women are dying from the effects of too high dosis. Because nobody ever cared to test the medications on women even though it`s very obvious women weigh less and have different hormones, so that you need different dosis for women. But nobody cared to think of women because all the doctors, researchers and people who made the decisions were men and that hasn`t changed enough yet to change these practices.
I could go on, there is endless examples of how these old power structures still negatively effect womens lives today.
That`s what I am talking about when I say men had power over women. Even the lowest men still pretty much owned his wife like an indentured servant.
The effects of that are still with us today and men who talk about "men are not needed any more" are complaining about the fact that the last signs of that old power structure are fading.
I know that there is just as many men living at the bottom of the social hierachy as there is women. But down there, men were still the ones subjugating women, still the only ones being considered compared to women. That`s what I am talking about.
Wow! This is a Golden comment! Very interesting and I agree with you. Men should accept the new status quo and find a way to cooperate instead of holding the power. We are all equally worthy of power as human beings, no more fake privileges. I love men, but now finally the times are fair at least in the West. You can't complain that things are fair, just because it's in your disadvantage. Find a new way to make it work. Hugs
After living as an American in Thailand for 7 months I can say, that I have found the life that we could only dream of in the west, but in the west you pay 10x more just to try.
When my friend’s fathers died, all of their mothers said they would “Never get married again.” Kinda telling to me.
It`s because marriage how it is now is a bad deal for women, they do all the unpaid work.
That’s BS. Anyway, good luck with that.
@@gunnsmoke357 Its no BS. My 70 something aunt is a widow. All her elderly friends have been single by choice for decades. None of them have felt men could improve their lives any. I myself was done by age 34
@@ClaireGreen-wd2gm funny how women do not need men when life has become easier for them with advancements of technology created by men, or by subsidies from governments or corporations. Why did women not be done with men 100 years or 200 years ago. Don't give me an answer they were oppressed by men. That is a farce created by feminist's.
Lmao, so you suggest that all of them sucked at picking a partner 😂
Death shortly after retirement is a consequence of the damage done to boys by schooling. Children are taken younger and younger to be broken to the classroom in preparation of the factory/office. The most powerful thing anyone, especially men, can do is to separate their self value from their work often chosen by default. Your job will be taken from you at some point, either because you've aged or because your business has faltered.
To have to be needed is to give others control of your life, to enslave you. Enjoy it be don't depend on it. Stop being a slave to society. Do work to make money, to feel useful, but don't let them train you to the harness where you are lost if you become detached.
Reeves knows if boys, then men, become free agents and not enslaved to society, then those who depend on those men's extra increment--women, academics, etc.---will suffer as men live their lives free.
Wrong as usual
Wish I learned this along time ago.
We need good, strong, moral leaders. Real men.
Every single man has the capacity to be a good, strong, moral leader. But at the end of the day we are what you say we are. If you say we are not real men then we won't be real men
The message at the end really hits. Never forget. You are needed men.
Whatever happens, even if the centre does not hold and everything falls into ruins, even then, you will never, ever, persuade women to accept any accountability for any part of it.
Watching that russian video where all the men are dying at war while all the women are at clubs was so telling and hurtful no matter what country it is.
Propaganda
@@tanyakilbane7636not necessarily. French women did the same with occupying nazi soldiers.
@@tanyakilbane7636 No, it's not propaganda, I'm from Russia and I personally know women who cheated on them with their lovers while their husbands were at war, they spent the money their husbands sent them on entertainment and expensive things
@@andreyg.5149 if all the men are at war, who are the women cheating with?
Author Jason Wilson says that masculinity means serving others. I wish I could remember which platform interviewed him when he said this. If you know, please share. I think it may have been on one of Lewis Howes's podcasts.
Reeves has said something very similar - that 'Real' masculinity is about giving more than you get back. Even has the shaming element attached (plot twist - this no longer works).
Assuming this is the case, ask yourself who's being served by masculinity? Who's getting more from masculinity than they give back? It becomes very clear who's concerns are actually being addressed. Hint - think 'opposite of masculinity'.
Dimorphic masculine traits are evolutionarily selected for for being the most capable of violently taking from others what you yourself want. It literally has nothing to do with serving others, there's a reason why violence is the most basic tool of every male creature on the planet with the most dimorphicaly male being the most violently successful
Tough times ahead.
Great episode! Even more relevant with the advent of AI - as more jobs disappear, what are we all going to do? Sit home and play video games and collect UBI? Doesn’t work, men in particular need to feel needed. Someone better start thinking about things or we’re headed for crisis.
Works for me. Fuck society
Yeah, begin tidy your room and dig in the garden. Don t just sit there and moan about the lack of appreciation from someone else. Playing videogames and sitting on your chair in a room won t get you women at your door to care for your. Go out and find a cause or something to fight for and then someone might see you and want to get to know you!!!
Why not make yourself useful then?
Lol m4n are already living with more add5ct6ions than anyone will ever admit. All add5ctuons affect them more: p8rn, video games, social media, sports, substances, alcohol, gambling and so on. We are already there. Eventually w5m4n get rid of the de6ad we8ght.
If you need to feel needed then you're useless
Men are needed to help raise children. But, my ex thought I worked for him. I didn't need that. I quit. I think its more about a loss of power and control, but that could just be my experience.
Your misandry is showing...
My ex thought I worked for him too. However now I am meeting men who value women and treat them with love and respect.
@@BelindaHutchinson-u8b wait till you marry/ partner again!
I know not all men are the same, but there was a power dynamic in traditional marriages when women obeyed their husbands. I'm of the boomer generation.
@@BelindaHutchinson-u8b You choose a "bad boy" and now blame everyone else for your bad choices. Modern women refuse to accept responsibility for anything.
@@StimParavane😂 have I blamed all men? No..
What does stop men from still being providers? I don’t get this message. Dads still work, so they are still providers, no?
Perhaps the fact that a man cannot be the sole provider, in an economy that requires 2 incomes to get by, is part of the problem. Maybe women are resentful that we have to be co-providers.
Nope. That’s not it.
It’s not just matter of providing…a man and a woman should be able to provide for themselves to begin with. So that are not financially totally dependent on someone else. (Misfortunes happen and when you depend solely on someone else is never a good idea)
Secondly women need to exercise their talents and inclinations as much as men while both take care of their family with equal effort. And thus both are without doubt needed. The partner without financial independence at the end of the day becomes a kind of hostage… inside partnership. And prone to abuse. Not to mention how insufficient is nowadays when only one partner contributes financially. So…. People should get real.. respect each other and not feel intimidated all the time because of their insecurities. Of course men are needed. Even by competent and self sufficient women.
Amen, Brother.
"Lost a little bit of that" understatement
This is the most English conversation going
Who the fuck said some nobody I’ve never met gets to decide if I’m needed or not? Nah nah nah. That’s not how I roll.
Thank you! People are needed when they build connection to other people and engage with community. It doesn`t matter if somebody is a man or a woman or whatever. If you have friends, they need you. If you have a family, they need you. If you are part of a community, they need you. It doesn`t matter if it`s to have a beer together after a stressful day or to help somebody move, men are needed as people. I think that`s the "crises" they are talking about: Men only being needed as people, not specifically as MEN. It seems like some men think if the thing they are needed for is something women are also capable of, than it`s not worth anything. They don`t actually complain about not being needed, they complain about not being indispensable. Because being indispensable gives you power. 20 years ago men weren`t more needed than today, but we had a society that forced women to rely on men , making men indispensable and therefore giving them all the power. That has now changed and that`s what men in these podcasts are actuallly complaining about.
@anthill1510 let me guess, you never did plumbing and most likely didn't even hold a screwdriver in your hand. Can't wait to see all the "stunning and brave" after most men check out and lights go off.😂😂😂
@@dmitryisakov8769 Did you even read my comment? It`s a bit sad that you read a comment where I say men are needed and are valuable as people and your reply is belitteling and threatening women.
You don`t want men to be needed, you want them to have power over everybody else.
For your information: When I was a young teenager my parents build a house all by themselves and I had to help with everything. So yes, I actually did plumbing. Using a srewdriver, are you kidding me? I worked on a building site, doing all the physical labor, operating machines, carrying stuff that was damn too heavy for me. I have trouble finding shirts that fit me because my shoulders got to broad for womens clothing.
I now work in warehouses alongside men, doing the same work. So if men check out, I and the rest of society will be just fine.
I don`t want men to check out, I have good friends and cousins who are men and are good people. I think I like them because they don`t need to threaten women to feel valuable as men. Maybe you can find men like that and learn from them, it will make you less afraid of "not being needed".
..hasn`t it become below sanity, that people can`t understand, that first you seek some water, then seek some food, then seek shelter, then seek the opposit sex to have children, company and someone to share and enjoy and fight alongside with? Tell them, that speak is silver and silence is gold, then it is up to their ability to catch the drift.
My word!! This man's level of ignorance is beyond perception.
I kinda feel after listening to this video, that it's easier than i thought. Gender roles in couples at least need to be removed. If one of the people in a couple earns enough to support the family then the other can take care of the kids, both are needed. If both provide equally, if not similarly, then both should split the family duties. The thing is, some men are still reluctant of home duties, or think it's a female task. And if a woman can both work and sustain a home then there's no need for a man. But both should be needed. Both should participate in order to keep the family safe and find purpose and meaning by doing so. Of course there are many ways to find purpose apart from family/kids, that applies to both men and women. But I'm talking about family dynamics now that women entered the labor force. If more men participated willingly in the home duties maybe more women would choose to have children, now that that's becoming an issue.
Giving some context: i'm 30+ , latinamerican, now at last in a nice relationship asking myself if i want to marry and have children or not. I'm actively trying to make my significant other feel needed and split house duties even tho i was teached men would only work and watch tv and i need to take care of everything else (while working 9 to 6)
Watch tv ? How about reading, playing video games, travelling.
Half a baked potato.
This academic is a half baked potato.
The Extended Family of the Old Stone Age meant that the women giving birth had mother, grandmother, sister and aunts all around her.
Helping, supporting and making sure both were feed.
Yes, the ever present father figure was now a semi permanent invested parent until the child hit puberty.
At which time the adolescent girl or boy passed into the circle and care of the elder women and men.
But this rubbish of the late 19th century invented 'Nuclear Family' against the world is just that.
Fashionable ideological rubbish.
Homo Sapiens are a large tribal biological machine.
That's how we outlasted all the other Homos (Human) species.
Their social structures were smaller and therefore less flexible to rapid change within the environment.
It's time to call out bull.
Time to restore the Extended Family.
All the women in here blaming this on "generations of men not being dependable" - you are delusional. There are always good men and bad men out there. Trouble is, many young women go for the bad boys because they're cute and thrilling - and they make you "feel so good." Then when they turn out to be losers you say all men are trash and can't be depended on? What a load of crap. Maybe you should be accountable for your mistake and admit you were totally blind to all the good guys you could have gotten with - but they were invisible to you! Don't blame men - blame your poor decisions and lack of forward-thinking.
100 Facts! True
There's another dynamic that I think is under-appreciated - the majority of the women trying to lock down the bad boy will fail, at which point many of them will start looking for the 'good guys' to settle for\down with (this seems to happen in their late 20s thru mid 30s). Those good guys are increasing being made aware that this is a bad deal for them, and are pursuing other options.
There is a habit of talking about the increased rate of suicide amongst men, but usually ignoring the fact that the suicide attempts by women are much higher. What does that signify?
One seems to reveal a profound existential crisis, the other is largely a cry for attention. Care to postulate which is which?
that women suck at suicide
No such thing as an attempt to kys
As usual it signifies that women are given more attention and care than men who are simply left ignored until they actually end themselves
@sleeper9638 no men use violent methodes like guns crybaby 🙄
Yeah, you need us, but you'll allow us to get our hearts, and wealth dashed to pieces in a divorce, and then expect us to provide at the same level, though there won't be any physical intimacy, or emotional support, after the divorce. Sucking us dry like a parasite, with no dopamine coming back to us.
Well this is so sad 🥹…. We woman and children do need men! We love them and truly want and need them. We as woman need to show this more BUT I also think men need to learn how to SHOW UP more for their families 😔🙏🏻. How can I show my appreciation if he doesn’t show up? My ex has poured everything into his work, leaving me to tend for our kids AND work AND care for everything in our house! After 10 years he also looked for love and attention elsewhere. Now I am also left with all the bills.
This is not what we woman want or ever wanted. UGE problem but the solution HAS to come from both ways. Men are needed! We woman can not carry the load alone, we were never meant to. We NEED our men to SHOW UP 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I don't feel like I've ever been needed.
I've never had the chance to show up for a family or anything, sorry you didn't get more support.
@@Tim_G_BennettWhen you get the chance, please don't screw up
Men wont show up where they are disrespected. It is never one-sided fault.
The psy-op continues with the destruction of the family.
But the question why Men are needed during this mordern society? This is not clear.
At the very least, to keep everything from falling apart, to keep other societies from invading and destroying us, to build virtually everything, to create the food, to create virtually all the great art, music, literature. If you can't see all that, or discount it as "patriarchy" you may need to let go of your main character syndrome.
2:40 "we don't quite know what we need you for but we need you" well how do you know you need men if that question cannot be answered?
Everyone laughs at me when I say I'm going to work past 65. Why wouldn't you keep working if you're healthy? I'll make more money AND collect my pension. By then, I'll be getting 8 weeks of vacation per year. And I'll probably live a longer, healthier life....sounds good to me!
Important topic. Accurate analysis. 🐺
I think this is a really stunted view of Men's role in society. Men are not just traditionally providers , they are fathers as well. The tole of a father in a family is vital. Families only suffer when Men are absent,. Even single parents families who are headed by fathers do almost as well as families with two biological parents. We live in a societies where men are seen so negatively and only the negative aspects are high-lighted to mainly benefit women. This is fundamental cause to men's woes.
They are seen negatively only because they behave poorly.
@@manifest2203 would you say the same about how people speak negatively of women or is that different?
If you look at the stats the presence of men in a family is a powerful predictor of outcomes. When they are absent children are far more likely to fall off the path in various ways. I was honestly shocked by this data but can't deny it.
@@drakoan it’s different with women for sure. Talking rudely in the name of being honest, making lewd remarks to any woman they see on the street, being quick to anger, talking disrespectfully about women online and elsewhere, bl6ming women in ways which defy all logic all the time are things m4n can stop being seen negatively.
Also, that data shows class. Not father involvement. Most pro5vider fathers still don’t do much for their children. They don’t even know basics about their kids. Rich women’s kids don’t go to j6ail.
@@drakoan it’s different with women for sure. Talking rudely in the name of being honest, making lewd remarks to any woman they see on the street, being quick to anger, talking disrespectfully about women online and elsewhere, bl6ming women in ways which defy all logic all the time are things m4n can stop doing to not be seen negatively.
well looking back... my father hated his role and never really was happy providing etc. thats why i dont want to create a family
Hmmmm, one wonders what’s going to happen to all of the single women, who have decided not to have children, when they age out of the dating pool, and find they are also unneeded?
They are already there. Your answer is: they go on tictoc and whine.
@ ahhh ok, I don’t do tik-toc
R I trying to destroy my plans for a pizza and beer factory?
This is a part of the manosphere debate that I find strange. Yes, men aren't needed that much these days. That's an awesome luxury problem to have! Go do art, Or outdoor sports. Or travel the world. ... In turn I find this MGTOW (Men going their own way) thing a tad silly too. A key part of being a mature man literally means to go your own way if you're not wanted and/or needed. In this regard MGTOW is a bit like "men obeying gravity, because its the law" or something.
There is a Femnoise habit of pathologizing men and their emotions and parts of Richard Reeves perspective aren't that helpful in this regard. Modern men need to put effort into learning not to derive their sense of value from how a woman or even women in general react to them. That's where having a mission or some other gender-independent inner flame can come in handy. It's from this position that a hetero-sexual man can much easier assess women and potential mates in his vicinity. All in all I would call todays situation for hetero-sexual men a win-win. It just needs to be dealt with in the correct manner.
MGTOW is the appropriate response. Western women raised by single feminist mothers were raised to challenge men at every opportunity. They were raised to be boss “babes” while these same women raised their boys as Simps, having to be “good” boys as defined by their angry feminist mothers. Be a Simp or else no love comes your way. Funny thing, the boss babes don’t want Simpy men. Now weaponized feminism has become the norm in western culture. All men bad, all men are responsible for all bad in the world. Ok. So Ya’ll don’t need a man in your life, and you don’t want the Simps your momma’s raised. Women want to be in charge, yet they simultaneously want a manly but not too manly a man.…that, right there is a confusing and untenable for men. How does a manly man simp just enough to get it right? Well, if that’s what you want, we’re good with that. Go build me a nice shiny new bridge or a road or maybe a nice skyscraper, I’ll wait, gladly make lunch and I’ll happily take the kids to the park. Not good enough? Bah! See ya later. This is not a men’s problem to solve. Women would resent men even trying to address it from a male perspective. Check the stats, who is initiating the bulk of divorce? Who are getting the degrees in education? Who? Who is buying the most shit and carrying the most debt? Now tell me again how my being born male created this issue throughout history and how my very existence is so oppressive to women. Horseshit, I’m out. Not worth the effort in any way. It’s simple, it’s too risky. MGTOW is now the only appropriate survival method my brothers. Western women broke themselves free of the constraint they experienced. Good. Don’t get me wrong, I believe that it had to happen this way and this evolutionary cycle isn’t over. Look around, It’s too toxic and too risky at to many levels for men to continue to consider marrying a western female.
Fella’s there’s little reward in breeding or finding yourself having to raise another man’s child only to be divorced and held financially responsible. Does this sound familiar ladies? Men, choose yourself first. Do yourself a MAJOR favor, get a vasectomy early in life and avoid the baby trap. A vasectomy can be reversed should you find the right partner. Hold your boundaries! Choose to stay single past your twenties, by then the crazy self entitled ones have all exposed themselves and you can see clearly what they are all about. Remember! You can always buy your intimacy needs from a pro and go home to a nice peaceful space. Take the Red Pill, your self worth and your hard earned cash and go be free from this craziness and live a happy, fulfilling life as YOU choose to live it.
I think that the claim for 24 month of pregnancy is not correct. Horses are pregnant for 11-12 month. Elephants 22 month. Whales about 10 month. Gorillas 9 month. Chimpanzee 8-9 month. Lions about 110 days. Antilopes only 132 days. There is not correlation between size and carrying duration.
I mean it isn’t all doom and gloom, like I am 29 and single, yeah there were a lot of smoke and mirrors for a young man as to exactly where to put time, but what I do think is that different men experience different things. I was raised in a religious cult demanding that all young men must serve two year missions in order to get to heaven. It was physically brutal, the idea that I would put my education first was considered extremely selfish….suprise! I was right, women really only want men who are competent and have those dark triad traits. I know because I get way more female attention as compared to when I was 22 starved abused, and financially robbed return Mormon missionary. I think that If a man can’t learn to build muscle and put himself first, he will ironically be considered undesireble by society.
Everyone likes attractive people.
@@manifest2203 muscles might and determination and sharing of skills.
Why do we seperate men and women.... we have both the same problems at the moment.
If you change the laws of government it will reflect on people and they will change. Example if you change laws on marriage to say "women get nothing in a divorce" and "it is the job for a woman to sexually satisfy their husband" men will want to get married asap
But the laws today has killed the soul of men their maybe they decide to move to another country so that the local laws are to their favour
One larger thing I feel are that we've leaned too much in to the belief that women and men are different, they are not, they are complimentary...
for the individual: (buddhist) equanimity, if possible do a job, that makes sense from someone's point of view.
for the society: create living human bodies outside of women's bodies ("artificial human"), which makes us independent from demographic developments and women.
And if thy devors thy take evrything for the man
😭😭😭needed this
Please don’t put women is all responsible. If a men causes harm to one self or sabotage their own relationships.
Ask themselves.
Don’t bring upon on woman responsible for every damn wrong with other men (individual)
Find your purpose in life.
You’ll not feel to pleased everyone.
You will find joy and in every aspect of your life.
If you follow your heart.
Everyone is important.
Don’t blame others for misery.
If you are not happy alone.
Then, you won’t be happy with others.
Find your own happiness.
Don’t put your happiness in others.
"Men don`t feel needed any more in retirement,so they deteriorate." Does anybody ban these men from doing charity work? Does anybody ban them from caring for their grandchildren? Does anybody bar them from getting into a living arrangement with friends? Why do women need to do anything in this, care for men again, like always was expected of them? Aren`t men so terribly intelligent and useful? Why don`t they do go somewhere where they are needed, there is enough to do? Oh excuse me, there isn`t as much prestige in charity work as there was in his teamleadership position? Oh he is not the boss in that case and doesn`t get praised all the time, so being needed is suddenly not as important any more? Oh damn, if men were only needed more.
These are good non-gendered truths. While we can't control everything in our lives our lives are better if we work on what we can and take responsibility for our outcomes.
Lett it go wimmen don't need man
Please get that anthopologist Anna who study fatherhood on podcast.
Just watch parents, a single mother will feed and clothe her children, a single father will feed and clothe his children, AND PLAY WITH THEM. A father will interact with his children much more than a mother would.
Hahaha wdym? It is normal for mothers to play with their children, since they are the main caregivers.
@@TheMotArt I've never once seen a mother play with her child in my entire life, but I've seen plenty of father playing with their children. When mothers interact with children, it's generally reactionary; stopping a confrontation, or correcting behaviour by telling them off, whilst a father will instigate an interaction.
You haven't been around enough women with children then there are whole clubs and group just for women with kids to interact and play to together. The libraries around me have at least 3 a day several days a week they are put together by age of the kids. I went when my kids were little all the time and there was never a man in site even the ones on the weekends.
@@krystelhardesty9960men also don’t read to their children, volunteering and initiating it. It just doesn’t happen.
@@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391I have never seen a man play with his 15 year old kids, when children need guidance the most.
Trevor Noah on this subject is excellent. Men have a responsibility to themselves to find ways of communicating and connecting. It is not the responsibility of women to solve this for them.
exactly, time to catch up with evolution, there's more to life than bringing meat to the cave
Trevor Noah is a simp
Your adversarial nature toward men will attract a backlash- there is karma coming your way
We don't communicate with evil
If pregnancy is supposed to be 2 years why do placental blood vessels show all the characteristics of aging at 9 months? You are talking nonsense.
Why is no one ever precise on what happened during those "hundreds of millions of years", sounds like a cop out.