What sets the Beatles and Elvis apart from other artists is that they had an “artistic breakthrough.” Like at the beginning, they might have been considered heartthrobs that were mainly teen girl things. But then they gathered a larger demographic with their experimental sounds (especially in the case of The Beatles). But don’t assume that BTS will never win a Grammy (assuming you’re alluding to BTS). All BTS has to do is get experimental and turn music into a greater artwork.
@@satine2342 agree. they are actually good artists. but some older people still don't appreciate some modern artists today even though they are artistically great and experimental just because they are fangirl-ed/fanboy-ed by younger generations.
@@satine2342 thanks.actually they are aldready doing it.if you dig deeper you will find many masterpieces like shawdow,blackswan etc.but actually the regular type of songs like dynamite do well in charts while other underrated songs are not talked about.
@@satine2342 BTS concept is so big since It's beging. The entire discography is based on Carl Jung's theories, Hesse's book Demian and the concept of loving ourselves. Also they have songs with genious lyrics such as 'ddaeng' but are difficult for us non koreans to undrstand. I wouldn't like them to be recognized over dynamite a song they didn't even composed and It's in english.
They are relying heavily this year on BTS's fans to pull up attendance records, and then moved the only category that they deigned to give BTS a nomination in (Pop Duo) to the preshow, along with Rap (POC nominees) and R&B (POC nominees) Forbes put out an article last year with a closing line that I think applies to artists like The Weeknd, as well as BTS: "As BTS continues smashing records and the Grammys continue to lose relevance, who really needs who?"
Absolutely... I think BTS are a great example of a group for whom winning a Grammy (though good god they should have been in a better category than this) would actually be really meaningful in their career. I want to say the Grammys don't matter, but I think that's in a US context more than an international one. I hope they win, but either way, I'm going to feel like the Grammys nominated them for the Academy's and show's own benefit, not the artistry 🤷
Something I am always bitter about is the neglecting of nominating kpop. People usually diss the genre, but if you are familiarized with kpop you will know that there's some fine music, take BTS, they have really transgressive and defining music, GOOD music, and they've never got nominated till they bent to the system and made a song fully in english. It's a blatant act of gatekeeping and a bit racist.
Maybe the Grammys will create a category for kpop (even tho its pop) in the next decade, since it took a decade for rap to have a category. Basically they're gonna put them on the sidelane just like what they do to POC to stay in the Rap and Rnb categories only but who knows 🤷
@@denomava5470 Absolutely, especially if you consider the whole korean music landscape and not only what we perceive as kpop. And this applies to other countrie's music that is not english as well, they almost never get nominated. Japan has the 2nd biggest music market worldwide but there have only been 6 nominees/winners total?? How does that make sense
@@aleena._.3503 What's the point you're trying to make? This channel made a video on 2010s music, and while he did praise JB's Purpose album, he followed that statement by the obvious: Yummy wasn't good. Dynamite on the other hand got recognition on his 2020 Music Awards video, and he named it one of his favorite bops of the year. Pitchfork gave BE a 7.0 and Changes a 4.5 So... what's your point on trying to compare Dynamite to Yummy?
@@vic3041 but most of the time music that's made just to get popular or for the cash is repetitive to get stuck in your head, and is usually only that one beat, music that's "artful" usually tells a story and has more variaty on the rythm
I kinda wish we had the grammys every year... but with no awards. Like a night with the biggest music celebrities and some super stellar epic performances. A celebration of music. And that's it. Maybe like a good worthy charity fundraiser. Like the met gala but for music instead of fashion. All the awards do is piss people of and celebrate the establishment.
That would be so fun, imagine the artists are allowed to just get someone from the crowd to go on stage with them, and Beyoncé starts singing because... One Republic asked her to or something lol
Seeing that blurb about the Grammy credo and remembering "Yummy" getting a Grammy nomination for this year... Truly, a record of "sheer artistry, and artistry alone"
uugh right?? the only “awards” show that i like to watch are the vmas bec its rarely about the award and more of a pure camp entertainment where all the popular artists get together and sometimes drama may ensue lol
Don’t forget how the Oscars treat documentaries and foreign language productions. Pretty sure the former has yet to even see a single Best Picture nomination.
I know it's such a shame. As a One Direction fan (don't judge pls) I know all about this. Their music matured so much since they started but they weren't taken seriously due to their massive fan base made up of mostly teenage girls
I think the problem is when they start manufacturing inauthentic, not super talented artists and idols to milk money out of teen girls... most of the newer gen are like that, and it has been for like 30 yrs with the creation of NKOB to basically have a white, more marketable version of New Edition, times are different than say when the Beatles were around. I'm not saying all groups that were basically record company ideas are bad but at times it just seems like what media tells teens to be into seems super shallow and inauthentic. And this is coming from a Jonas Brothers fan from childhood (whom I consider a "real" group because they were around and struggling long before signing with Disney)
As a teenage girl who is going into adulthood in the coming years, I look back and realise how upsetting it is. I'm a huge Taylor Swift fan, but I put it off for so long because I was so concerned about what others would think or say. It's stupid, Swift is an excellent songwriter and extremely talented. Additionally, loving her art does not mean I cannot enjoy other artists such as The Strokes, The Beatles and more (just thinking of my top artists). I was a very insecure young girl. I still am, but I care less. I know that many others do/have done that. It took me an embarrassingly long time to realise that you can't please everyone and those who judge others music tastes are just idiots. I hope that made sense EDIT: I would like to say - Kandrick should have won that Grammy. Just because I'm a fan of hers doesn't mean i don't recognise that x
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 she always could sing. stop getting your knowledge from stan twitter lmao. about the win: well, don't be surprised. the fact that she has made some of the best dance-pop records of the 00s and 10's selling way more than Gaga and Beyonce combined and never even got nominated after 2010 is absolutely ridiculous. she has an album in the rock and roll hof for god sakes. which one of her peers can say that? None.
Look let me just get this out of the way 1) Autotune doesn’t magically be able to sing unless you overuse to the point were it is noticeable which means your nothing doing and very good job 2) lip sync doesn’t equal I can’t sing maybe their doing a dance number or just plainly can’t sing that day. Some artist do use that tool to “enhance” their sing but that tool they use wasn’t meant to be used in that extent.
@@kalinjones3626 And what if they lip sync in every concert, like Spears does? Dancing I can understand. Colds and sore throats I can understand. But even Spears' fans got fed up of her lip snycing to the point that politicians wondered whether they should put a disclaimer on her concert tickets. If dancing has become more important than real singing, there is a problem. Or maybe Spears just can't sing.
Started with the beatles...when girls used to faint and scream at the sight of them people used to dislike it. Now that its stopped, suddenly people realized that the beatles are amazing. Backstreet boys, 1D, bts....if you are hating on them or dismissing their music just because teenage girls like them then you're wrong for not even giving them a chance. Give it a chance. Its not just a bunch of pretty boys singing. I realized that a little late but I'm glad I did.
Like I’ve said in other replies related to the Beatles, the Beatles gained a wide demographic WHILE they existed. Their “heartthrob” years were in the beginning and they mainly attracted a demographic of teenage girls. But in a few years, after they became more artistic, the Beatles had a wide variety of people listening to them. What sets 1D, Backstreet Boys, and BTS apart is that they never had their artistic era where they attracted a wide variety of people. So that’s technically not true. The Beatles have always had a pretty diverse fanbase.
@@satine2342 i don't know that much about 1D or the backstreet boys (or the beatles, tbh) but as a bts fan, i'd hazard to say that bts's entire career has pretty much been their 'artistic era'. they started out by criticizing the strict schooling system in south korea and gradually transitioned towards explorations of youth and growing up. they then launched the love yourself series which explored different types of love and how hard it can be to accept yourself in the face of it. their map of the soul series has explored jungian psychology and their relationships with fame. most recently their be album was largely about the pandemic and explored feelings of loneliness and unease they expericed. and on top of all of that, they've included songs that critique specific aspects of korean society in almost all of their work. (and various members have been credited on these projects, its not just some production team that dreamed all this up for them. bts have been very involved since the beginning) have they ever been publically acknowledged as being in an 'artistic era' the way they beatles were? no. but that doesn't mean it hasn't been happening. also bts are HUGE worldwide which seems like a pretty diverse fanbase. check where they performed when they toured in 2018/2019. and recently the IFPI named them the best-selling artists worldwide in 2020 with three different albums in the top 10. you can't do all of that with just teenage girls or one specific demographic. my point with this comment isn't to force you to become a bts fan, but just to dispel some of the rumors that have been surrounding their career and that work to discredit their achievements. (although if anyone wants some recommendations i'll gladly drop some ;) if you talk to almost any bts fan who's been around for a second, we'll tell you that one of the main reasons we stick around is for their artistry. they're not just some passing fad of hot men or whatever people want to think.
@@jayyone6137 Agreed. As a former BTS fan myself, one of the reasons BTS had been so big is that they challenges societal norms especially in their home country. When I mention an artist’s “artistic era,” I don’t always mean lyrics or intention. I’m usually talking about musical complexity. The Beatles always used instruments, but later on in their career, they incorporated a band and an orchestra into their works. And BTS hasn’t reached the point where they have enough independence to do that. And some might argue BTS’ music production quality has dropped. On top of that, BTS carries on the same musical trends (trap beats, autotune, etc). But with the Beatles and other artists (like Queen, Radiohead, etc.), they became popular because they made music that was never done before. So I’m not necessarily casting doubt on BTS, they just have to gain independence and try new things :)
@@biggusduckus6489 Never implied anything you accused me of. And when did I say dancing wasn’t a form of art? And why does dancing matter at the GRAMMYS? Listen, it isn’t just BTS who lacks the right amount of recognition. So many other artists face that. You’re also speaking to a proud Beyhive member. She has been in the industry for over 20 YEARS. And she takes huge initiative in writing and singing. While Beyoncé isn’t a Jack of all trades kinda musician, her most powerful instrument is her voice. She has the ability to take older styles and genres and mix them in with more modern ones to create unique sounding music. Like the Beatles, Beyoncé is one of the main pioneers for the “visual album,” which is an album with a music video for every track. She puts emphasis on the “ALBUM,” Not singles. Dancing is also one of her strong suits. If you watch any of her documentaries, she is a total boss and a perfectionist. To me, she’s the most hard-working woman in the music industry. Remember that when she was young, people didn’t take her seriously either (especially as a black woman). But she gained experience and worked hard.
I understand where you’re coming from with this comment but I think you’re being a bit hostile here. Mic isn’t saying that the academy’s idea of what makes good music is a valid one (as he explains later on). He’s just saying that’s what it is and that the perception of BTS is that their fan base is predominantly teenage girls. If you’ve watched his other vids he does respect BTS and has said that while it’s not for him their craftsmanship is stellar. I get the defensiveness but I think you’re missing the point a bit
1. The RYM route 2. All of the new RYM grammy voters only vote for crazy frog every year 3. Eventually all of the old voters retire 4. Crazy Frog can now vote 5. RYM voters all simultaneously retire 6. Crazy Frog is the only voter and the Grammys are renamed the Crazy Frog's Choice Awards
“Who's to say that young girls who like pop music -- short for popular, right? -- have worse musical taste than a 30-year-old hipster guy, that's not up to you to say. Music is something that's always changing. There's no goal posts. Young girls like the Beatles. You gonna tell me they're not serious? How can you say young girls don't get it? They're our future. Our future doctors, lawyers, mothers, presidents, they kind of keep the world going.Teenage-girl fans -- they don't lie. If they like you, they're there. They don't act 'too cool.' They like you, and they tell you. Which is sick." - Harry Styles
@@captainaya2843 I mean I hated 1D because I really didn't like thier music, and I like Harry Styles music now because I think it's interesting to listen to. His songs now are clearly different to 1Ds.
You forgot to mention the fact that Kesha didn't even get a Grammy at least for one of her 2 nominations during the year she was invited to perform. They've pretty much used her situation for some clout and woke points.
@Trent Nozen Teenage Dream defined the 2010’s Pop like the album alone has 6 #1 hits on BBH100, that’s got to be something and they still snubbed her😐😐
Another thing that has always annoyed me is the whole "music's biggest night" thing when it's clearly... not. Not only are there much more prestigious music awards but they award mostly English-speaking people. I'm not from an English-speaking country and I've always had doubts that best music in the world only came from one place lol. That always contributed for me to not take them that seriously but I understand they may be huge for an American
@@deepfried2654 thats not what the other person said tho. they said not ALL m=good music is from english speaking countries esp america this is just you twisting the words again, and making it more antagonistic than it is americans thinking their the center of the world pt 382939
@@deepfried2654 They didn't say that tho??? Good music comes from anywhere, and the person is just criticizing that people think music is only worthy to be rewarded if it's from somewhere like the U.S.
@@FatimaZahra-lu8bf Award shows pull in millions of views. Last year the Grammys drew in 18.7 million views. Just because it's not big everywhere doesn't mean it's not a big event. What other award shows can you think of that pull in bigger numbers than that?
Or maybe teenage girls should learn/be taught to enjoy what they like without people's opinions altering that enjoyment, since that's actually a good general life lesson. As a woman these statements rub me the wrong way. It's like you want women and girls to be coddled. They are able to stand on their own two feet. Teen boys are able to easily brush off girls and women calling things like wrestling and call of duty stupid and meaningless, why do we expect girls and women to be so emotional, why do we perpetuate the stereotypes we claim to be breaking down? And to me, a lot of media aimed at teen girls happens to be shallow. It's not an insult to the audience. It's an insult to the people who make that media who see young girls as more gullible. You're calling the wrong people misogynists. I'm not letting someone accuse me of having so called 'internalised misogyny' just because I think media like Twilight and early 2010s Justin Bieber is shallow and derivitive in its actual content. But ultimately I accept that people like, what they like. It's their life.
as a man who back in the late 90s hated the music of britney spears, backstreet boys, and 'nsync only to enjoy it as i realized that it's damn good pop music. i agree. i don't find anything wrong with BTS or 1 direction (even though i think harry styles is getting overexposed). i may not be aware of their music but if teenage girls like it. then so what? i'll just be listening to can, spaceman 3, boredoms, and whatever weird music i can think of.
Thats not a good reason to dislike something to be honest you can’t just say that you hate bts because teenage girls like them i don’t like them because it feels artificial and corporate also it’s too simple
@@jonhoskins8737 Nope, he was probably saying that Igor was classified as neo-soul, psychedelic soul and experimental hiphop. You can see it at rateyourmusic website.
@@joaogomes850 But my point still stands. There is definitely less than 51% of IGOR that is rap-like. I love the album and I'm so glad it was recognized, but that wasn't the right way to recognize it. Even Tyler said it's not a rap album
@@jonhoskins8737 Yeah, I agree, we are on the same board. I just think that guy mentioned neo-soul because Igor was classified as such genre but anyway
While it is fun to see who will win a Grammy, ultimately it doesn't affect how I view an artist's work. When I listen to a piece of music, I don't think "Wow this is good cause it won a Grammy," I think it's good because it's good music.
Never forget when MJ and prince got robbed back in the 80s or even recent years with Kendrick losing to Macklemore and The Weeknd not even being nominated SMH
The Weekend snub was truly shocking to me and reeked of Racism. I could understand if they didn't nominate BTS because they were a foreign act, but they had no cause to do the same to The Weekend, except for if they were racist bastards.
The whole thing was disgusting, when in the same category they had Kelly clarkson, Pink and Lady Gaga's million reasons on top of Kesha's praying. Like what the actual fuck grammys.
@@lordbuddybear chapters arent about /style/ dummy it helps keep track of where you left off in a video, especially the longer ones like this. sometimes you cant sit for 40min straight. Also, the thumbnail thing doesnt happen in every video its not that deep
LMAO, I HAD NEVER SEEN THAT CLIP OF BECK WINNING THE BEST ALBUM GRAMMY BEFORE. That is amazing. Kanye showing a rare instance of self awareness, and Beck desperately not wanting to be on stage because he felt he didn't deserve the win. I had to rewind and watch it like 5 times lol.
@@shaileshkandpal2408 It was fully self aware. He walked up there and waved it off, making a very intentional joke about the VMA Taylor Swift debacle. What he said in an interview, where he was asked to share his opinion doesn't make his walking on and off stage a self aware joke.
I'm a bts fan and it's heavily known in the fandom that bts is used for views and ratings. Grammys already has problems as this video points out, don't get me started on asian representation and the latin grammy awards. But as a bts fan and a historian, bts won't win the award bc the grammys have never given an award to boybands the case seen with backstreet boys. Mots7 deserved a nom, not dynamite.
For real. MOTS:7 felt almost like a magnum opus, something that captured so much of BTS' determination, fear and hope in just one album, and On is one of their strongest title tracks to date. They clearly put so much effort into the album and the Grammys just ignored it completely to go for the happy song entirely in English. I'm not saying MOTS:7 is their best work (though it's definitely one of my favourites), but it was an album that deserved rewarding for all it managed to convey. I would've been happy with BE as well, because we got so many amazing songs from that one too, as well as an exploration of BTS' feelings on quarantine and COVID-19 and their attempts to stay happy and hopeful in such dark times but because they're a pop boy band made up with people of colour, with only one member that speaks English fluently, they're likely never going to recognised, no matter how experimental and thought-provoking they get. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone who enjoys Dynamite but it's not one of their stronger songs in my opinion and the sole reason it even got a nomination was because it was in English.
@Winifred Eghrudje idk, on one hand i agree with you, but on the other, bts have said multiple times that being able to perform there matters more to them than the award, and I want to support their performance. i also think it's okay to say MOTS7 *and* Dynamite deserve the nomination and the award, idk why y'all trash dyna so much. Would it be in my top 150 bts songs? probably not. but there's no reason to undermine it like that when the intention behind releasing the song was to have it be something light and packed with positive energy in a time where things were bleak for a lot of people. I think it achieves exactly what it intends to and some of the attitude within the fandom towards it is bothersome
@@FatimaZahra-lu8bf I said I had nothing against the song, I just personally believe they have stronger songs. I'm not hating on anyone for liking it, it's perfectly fine as a song and it serves its purpose (to inspire joy and happiness in dark times), so if you enjoy it, more power to you! My opinion shouldn't dictate your tastes. My main problem with the nomination for Dynamite is mainly because it was so painfully obvious that the only real reason it was nominated was that it was English. It's not their strongest work (in my opinion) and it's a little grating to see their Korean songs pushed aside in favour of their English one. I think that's the main reason the fandom has such a turbulent relationship with it. It's gotten the most radio play, so many performances, covers, etc, gone viral and broken records... But it feels a little hollow because it's clear that it only achieved it because the English-speaking audiences embraced it solely because it was in English. And it's a little frustrating to see that.
@@bleh4824 No, I 100% agree, I much prefer their other songs and find them Grammy worthy, but I don't see any reason to put Dyna down in order to lift the others up, y'know? It *is* obvious that Dyna was nominated because the RA actually listened to it and they actually listened to it because it's in English; however, this is not the fault of Dyna but rather the fault of the RA. It baffles me when people say "black swan/on" should be nominated instead but BTS didn't even submit them (I think they chose Dyna instead because of a) their lack of success with their previous songs and b) Dyna was an actual hit). Of course it isn't their strongest work, but I don't think they released it with the intentions that "this is going revolutionise the world" (as Yoongi said, they had already worked hard on darker themes for MOTS7, and wanted a break from that and do something fun to cheer themselves and the world up, and I think this is reflected in their approach to Dynamite). So the sentiment that "BTS have great songs that deserve a Grammy nom/award" can exist without adding "instead of Dynamite" to it because I feel like that undermines the song and the group. But that's just my two cents.
@@FatimaZahra-lu8bf That's a really valid point, and I can genuinely respect that, even if I don't agree with it :3 (I think it's for me personally just from a place of dislike for the song, as well as frustration, to be frank) Thank you for being so polite, I know how hard it is to discuss/debate when something that means a lot to you is the subject. 💜💜💜
@@Ridhotoni Dua Lipa fans are called “Loves,” and Coldplay would probably get a lot of backlash from Dua’s fanbase lol Edit: Actually, there wouldn’t be much noise from the Dua Lipa community as say, Taylor Swift’s or something, because Dua’s fanbase is wayyy smaller and laid back.
I think what he’s talking about there has to do with fans who are teenage girls. This problem just happened with the 2021 event. A whole bunch of BTS fans were writing mean comments under the winners’ posts. And these awards are nominated and chosen by the Academy, NOT the fans.
@@satine2342 I understand your point of view and partly agree with it but I think that's only because BTS have a huge fanbase like really gigantic so it's obvious you'll see them more often than angry fans of other artists. A lot of BTS fans are actually the whole grown-up people, I saw a lot of posts from them about not hating other winners and just support boys. And actually, I think almost every post from BTS fans was about hating Grammy (which is still questionable but that's not a hate toward Gaga or Grande) so it's not that bad, they're not bunch of screeching girls without brain like a lot of people think.
@@rcppcsk1589 um no, only because most of them are way more socially awarene and are not weird, as they shouldn’t be (they are adults), they don’t do tik tok dances everyday trying to catfish men and end up getting 10 likes, and they just overall aren’t petty like most teenage girls
I think the Grammys are doomed from the beginning. 1. It was built on a foundation of exclusivity with genres and white male artists being "better" 2. Music has no (maybe not yet) standardized scale/rating that encompasses the cultural impact, popularity and how well written it is 2.a. Even if there was a scale, music will always be a personal experience so everything's subjective anyway 3. Trends move faster than the crusty boomers in charge can see it. They probably still think BTS means behind the scenes
What if she release something different than doing features with everybody she might get nominated but they dislike the music she puts out .I really think the music industry is actually tired of her and trying to end her career and making a lot of new female rappers to be the next hottest female
@@titihamilton9247 If they were trying to end her career, they'd stop nominating her, lol. ... or they'd do something that'd actually matter - something not related to the Grammys, lol
eversince someone pointed out that they only nominate really great artist/performers (mostly bipoc) for them to perform hence more people watching and then give the award to those safe bets... its tiring... its a special little club of the elite. what if artists just boycott grammys? i wonder what would happen...
That wont happen cuz those artists still want the dirt of the Grammys. As long as winning a Grammy is the biggest achievement in one's musical career, we won't really "forget" about the recording academy. Just look at the Weeknd, hes never going back to the event but still bitches about it. Its only natural that the academy still thrives. The artists that we support still think of it as the greatest milestone of their journey.
@@baibiebaibea9740 I agree but don't get your hopes up for nothing, there's a history and legacy behind the Grammys and that's what's allowing the academy to still persist throughout the years even tho it has lost all credibility. Essentially, I stand for artists who don't need a prize like this to get the respect they may need. No artist nowadays needs the recording academy to be deemed a "renowned musician", from Queen, to Bjök, to some may say BTS, or other Korean artists that definitely have it in them to get a Grammy. Nowadays the musicians themselves don't really need that award in my opinion.
The big issue with any sort of rewards being given out by the people in the field, is that people are going to reward their friends or people they admire not the actual work. But then who is going to give out the rewards and award people who probably wouldn’t even be nominated in the first place. Knowing albums could be kicked off lists it feels like The Weeknd was probably kicked off any nominations this year for other artists. I am a swiftie yet I find it annoying how she can be nominated and win so many awards while Kendrick Lamar can make three of the best rap albums of all time and get one Grammy for it. That being said him winning the Pulitzer for damn is a higher compliment than any amount of Grammy awards.
There being biases in award shows is no secret in any of these award shows (Oscars, Grammys, Golden Globes, etc). Many of the nominees/productions companies/record labels will send “gifts” (monetary things such as expensive jewelry, expensive vacations, etc) to many of the people in the committee to insure a spot in the nomination list, or even to win the award(s) Example here is Harvey Weinstein who “campaigned” for his movies to get in the nomination list, and to even win at the oscars. Many great deserving pieces of fine arts (Music, Flim, etc) don’t get the recognition they deserve because a lot of these awards aren’t always purely based on merit, but [again] “campaigning” (buying “gifts” to the voters in the various academies). One big example being ‘Shakespeare In Love’ winning over ‘Saving Private Ryan’ for best picture: (You can start from around the beginning) ua-cam.com/video/6tihITlPAn4/v-deo.html (Go about the 6:35 mark) ua-cam.com/video/z4GvecFjLkU/v-deo.html
But the thing though is that even if they weren't awarding their friends or people they admire, even if they were looking at their actual work, it still wouldn't matter, it would still be an unfair and rigged game because of personal taste. You can deem something to be a masterpiece and there will still be people who won't see it as a masterpiece because of their own personal taste which they have every right to have and is valid, and yet it doesn't mean that the piece is bad or that they are wrong. And what someone else claims to be a masterpiece you might not see it but again, it doesn't mean the thing is bad, you just don't like it and may not even have a specific reason for that, you just don't. And THAT'S the real problem. People are too different in their music range tastes. Someone from the Academy might listen to "Every breath you take" by the Police and dislike it while someone else also from the Academy might like it and bc of that, the song gets at least one vote, which is probably what happened with the song when it won best song many years ago. I'm sure there was at least ONE person in the Academy who was not a fan of the song and to them, it probably didn't deserve to win. That's why I feel like award shows like these shouldn't even exist. It's so hard to pinpoint something being good or bad when what's good and bad is subjective and relevant to the person's thoughts about it. And also, like, what happens when multiple artists have achieved the same thing? Do they all receive the award? I feel like awards like these should be given only for straight up facts. Who's the most streamed ever in the year, you can actually fact check that and compare numbers and give an award to the winner. Achievement for the most collaborations, you can actually fact check that, artist who has the longest song, artists who has the most variety of genres in an album or idk im making shit up lol but my point is it should be shit like that, things that can be literally measured in numbers and not voted on by random ass people.
@Kerry Foerster bro he had the biggest song of 2020 with blinding lights which has been #1 on billboard for over a year, he had 4 or 5 songs from his album in the billboard top 10 charts, every song from his album was on the top 100. And ur telling me he’s not good lmao
every artist works hard. let's leaving "they/he/she work/works/worked hard" argument only for delusional BTS stans alone. we're so much better than that.
@@legendarystatus4705 there's payola and who knows maybe he used it. again, the grammys don't care about charts or sales or records or ceritifications.
tbh i feel like it's unfair to BTS to constantly chalk up the (limited for their impact) attention their music gets to "the enthusiams of teenage girls" when they have a very diverse fanbase (i'm 26) and make truly incredible music. Also if they were at the whims of bts' fans it wouldn't have taken 4 years of chart domination and an english track (a great joyful song regardless that bts brought a ton of charisma to) for bts to get a single nomination and not even in a main category, they are up against a ton of gatekeeping. I wish you would have reviewed their album BE for example. They're the biggest music act in the world right now (check IFPI) yet don't get the critical attention and acclaim i genuinely think they deserve because of stereotypes like this rooted in misogyny ("boyband ew bad teen girls silly etc") or xenophobia ("kpop ew bad music robots homogenizing takes etc"). idk i just wish ppl would think more thoughtfully about them and really give their music a chance to shine on its own merits. think to yourself if another artist released this who i was more familiar with or had a different image would i think it was better or more valid.
omg yes mots7 literally the best selling album in sales both pure and combined ww for 2020,, literally followed by BE, literally a $50 album, at number 2. I honestly feel disheartened, but having known how bs the industry has always been to accept poc or anything new/progressive,, im not entirely surprised.
Agreed, sadly BTS don't have one or two things against them (boyband, Asian, don't sing in english, K-Pop) so they just downplay everything they do to "Teenage fangirls" (I'm a men 22yo, fan since 2015). I love Dynamite, but I still don't get why nominate them until they realeased an english single when this year they also had Black Swan, clearly if BTS didn't release any english song the Academy wouldn't nominate them. And I'm still mad that two years ago 'Tear' was not nominated except for album cover when critics gave that album better scores than other nominees.
The people who don't know anything about their discography are always the ones called them mediocre or just assuming that the fanbase is full of teenage girls, like all these girls can't buy 50$ albums and make it the #2 best selling album in pure sales neither can you fill up the stadiums like Wembley with just teenage girls
you said it perfectly well. bts dominate in both sales and meaningful music. sure, the large majority of army aren't even teenage girls, but why are they looked down upon in the first place? why do we have to say "we're not all teenage girls" when we want to be taken seriously?
@@swatideshmukh2280 sorry but you can filled stadiums with teenage girls. They had only a few dates around the world, so girls of all the world travelled to Wembley and filled. I was here and 70% of the stadium was teenage girls and very young adult girls in their 20s. The other 30% was more diverse people including some parents of this teenage and child girls that become fans too. I'm sorry but this is the reality and is not bad, nothing bad in have a majority of teenge girls fanbase. The boys are fantastic performers.
as Blinding Lights was 2020 biggest single worldwide according to IFPI (International Federation of the Phonographic Industry) so was BTS' Map Of The Soul: 7 the biggest album worldwide. what these two have in common? no Grammy nominations. sure Dynamite was nominated as it should have been. it was the 10th biggest single worldwide also according to IFPI, it was #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 for 3 weeks and surprise, surprise it's still charting at the moment. but nominating them in only ONE Pop category which was Best Pop Duo/Group Performance which for years consisted of just collaborations(?!?), then announcing that they will perform at the ceremony which they have always wanted, then moving this category along other categories which were dominated by POC to the preshow which was live on youtube and not on TV, to give the Grammy to a collaboration that everyone forgot about in 2020 and that didn't have that much of an impact in the charts of US or anywhere outside of it TO FINALLY USE BTS' PERFORMANCE TO KEEP 'HOSTAGE' THEIR FANS SO YOU CAN SAVE YOUR RATINGS FOR A THIRD YEAR IN A ROW ??? this was the third year they used BTS' success and fans for clout. and I can assure you as a BTS fan outside of the US I never cared about Grammys, not really, but they wanted to perform there one day and maybe even win one of the awards so of course, I wanted that for them. and yeah now I'm disappointed and pissed and a part of me wants for BTS to never seek validation from the US ever again. they are the biggest Pop act at the moment with or without a Grammy and a part of me wants them to do the same thing as Abel did: to also boycott these western award shows but then I remember what Twitter user @alapadma2 said: "Of course I want BTS to ignore the Grammys like other artists have done. But we need to understand that that's a privilege Western artists have. This is their industry, while BTS are outsiders. The Grammys would love it if an outside, resistive force stopped challenging them." so the other part of me wants for them to break the last glass ceiling because that's what they have been doing for the last years: breaking records and glass ceilings. make themselves visible and taking a chair at the table where it was possible and not where they created a separate table just for them (I'm not forgetting you VMAs don't worry). to conclude I will leave here a quote from a Forbes article "But as BTS continue smashing records and the Grammys continue to lose relevance, who really needs who?"
@Kerry Foerster I will wise up when the academy won't treat BTS as bait for their fans to increase their viewership. This year's Grammys tanked as we all saw. Till then I will continue to stream and buy their music :)
@Kerry Foerster Agree. The grammy's gives zero fucks about charts, sales, and views. And I pray they never change that. It's because of the Grammy's I learn more artists who I've never heard of and will never hear about in mainstream media but are such GENIUSES! 2010 made me look up Esperanza Spalding! lol!
after watching this year's grammys -refuse to give poc artists nominations and/or wins they deserve (the weekend, chloe x halle, bts, doja cat, etc) -push mostly poc-nominated awards to the pre-show And end up not giving it to them (chloe x halle, bts, etc) -and using an act to promote before and during the show by teasing an award and a performance "soon" (bts, who were made to believe they would win, and whose fans were made to watch the show til the end by constantly teasing them as the next performers and then giving them a less than 3 minute time slot) i have strong reason to believe there is at least some discrimination but hey, they game beyonce, megan, her, and other black artists awards, so its impossible that they're racist, right?
They give Beyoncé, Megan the award and say that they are not racist but act racist with hundreds of others. The most famous examples are BTS and The Weeknd and Doja Cat, Chloe ×Halle The Grammy's are the perfect example of "I have a black friend so I am not racist" Absolutely disgusted with how they treated Doja Cat, BTS , The Weeknd, and Chloe ×Halle
They awarded black female rappers after a whole decade of Snubbing Nicki Minaj the only black female rapper eligible the whole decade.... sounds sexist and racist to me☠️☠️☠️☠️
Lmao no. Yes the Grammys are racist, but the fact you claim BTS and the other artists you mentioned objectively deserved the award is just freaking stupid. Like no, music is subjective and you ain't the truth owner lmao
@@user-cl3eu3mm4d damn. that's almost exactly what happen to tyler's pop album, IGOR. the grammy gave him the best rap album just because he's black (wtf)
I watch it because sometimes I found new artists that I eventually like. Shoutout to the Grammy's for introducing me to Kacey Musgraves. I tell you, it's been 2 years and man, I still listen to Golden Hour like everyday.
There should be a UA-cam Critics Academy featuring Mic, Mark from Spectrum Pulse, Anthony Fantano, Jon from ARTV, Luke from Rocked, Shawn Cee, the members of Dead End Hip Hop, Todd in the Shadows, the Rap Critic, and whoever else you can find.
I like this idea as a starting point, but that could easily run into a similar systemic issue. So I’d entrust Mic the Snare and people of similar brilliance to figure out how to collaborate with an actually representative, diverse consumer base in order to shape the new Academy itself.
I’ve never been one to watch the Grammys. I was actually really excited to watch them this year because BTS, the first Korean group to be nominated, are actually nominated and will be preforming. But unfortunately to the disappointment of all BTS fans, their category is being presented in the preshow..... so yea, another year not watching this overly long and overly hyped award show.
No more army watching next year and Grammy proud to announce about 12M watching on the show and for sure 90% viewers is Bts Army even army from Asia wake up 3am just watch the pre-show and after announcing Group/ Duo category from more than 1M views down to 300K
i stopped caring for the Grammys ever since i learned Björk never won anything. it's fun to discuss and make predictions every year but it's so bittersweet with all the issues and bigotry and racism... feels guilty to express interest on the Grammys, like an incentive for them to continue their award show despite all the problems. this year i'll be rooting for BTS because i'm a big fan of theirs and i know how much that'd make them happy and that's about it. The Academy doesn't give me any other reasons to care for real
@@npcimknot958 right? so they don't award one of the most inspirational artists of all time and neither the most popular group... what do they base off? if not critically acclaimed nor its influence in the world.... we're just left with connections in the industry
Funny that this video just missed the news as well that The Weeknd would be boycotting the Grammys entirely in the future. Looks like he won't even be a legacy act for them in the future huh
unrelated but i find it funny how some areas in this comment section love perpetrating the whole dumb-girl-teenagers-trash take like... what'd the teens ever do to you lmao I understand that at times they can be found as pretty cringey but it's not like being a certain age or gender demographic plays a role in music quality? idk lolll cuz why are grown men commenting on young women. were you perfect as a teenager or smth? what?
They always stereotype teenage girls to these blonde girl (not saying that blonde teenage girl are bad, far form it.) who are petty and only think about boys or boy band and are rude to their friends. Which is not true at all? How can you stereotype a really big group of people with different personality and interest?
"what'd the teens ever do to you lmao" If you have to ask then you've never met a teenage girl. I knew teenage girls who were not just cringey but also obsessive. In high school, when I told I female friend I didn't care for certain boy band she listened to then tried to post my address online and trash talk me to other classmates. All because I didn't agree with her and I didn't even hate the boy band just didn't care for. "but it's not like being a certain age or gender demographic plays a role in music quality" I've had to distance myself from certain fanbases because the fans were so toxic and didn't want to be lumped together with them or ashamed to admit liking it.
There's a huge flaw in that argument and that is that Teenage girls grow up and when they do a lot of them start listening to different music. So yeah there is a thing as music that has teenage girl appeal.
@@wolfstar675 okay, While I can see what your point is, What kind of music is appealing to teen girls??? I know girls who listen to all kinds of genre from rap to heavy metal to pop country.
The comments: The fact that my favorite artist has never won a Grammy and this artist I dislike has 20 tells you everything you need to know about the Grammys 😒
Being a citizen from a non white non English speaking country I never paid much attention to the Grammys until this year only because bts was nominated. Its because the boys care ,the fans care fully knowing that they don't really need a grammy. I guess they see this as a final frontier to acheiving everything. Even now the lack of a Grammy can fuel them to keep creating lot of good music. Once they get it, I imagine they would be like "what next? We have already achieved world domination and the status of an icon"
Man all the facts in this video are so on point. Grammys always award the most comfortable artist in my opinion, that are most easily digestible for the audience. They do nominate some well-deserved artist in this process but the amount of snubs are ridiculous.
I think the Grammys should stop branding themselves as "THE music award show" because they clearly don't know what they are doing with that dang committee of their's and they are only picking from songs that are huge in America (and they still pick and choose what THEY want while snubbing POC artistes and if not shoving them into tiny boxes) while ignoring a whole lot of good songs that aren't in English or Spanish
Honestly the fact that Sonic Youth, a band who had a long, fruitful career and produced some of the greatest, most groundbreaking and influential rock music ever recorded, was not once even nominated for a Grammy in their entire 30-year-long career proves a lot of the points made here. The Grammys exist to celebrate the status quo of the music industry, shying away from promoting anything threatening to the status quo like Sonic Youth, who influenced the likes of Nirvana and Radiohead.
It only matters to those nominated. The public don't really chat about the Grammy's or what it means because it doesn't really amass to anything. Its more of a self celebration if anything imo.
whenever the academy is wrong (so, most of the time), i'm either angry and/or disappointed. but then when they get the win right, it feels so victorious and joyful*. i really can't explain why these inane circle-jerks evoke such intense feelings in me and so many others, even when we KNOW they ultimately don't matter. *can't remember the last time it happened w/ the grammys (rip) but a great example of a triumphant moment like this was the parasite oscar sweep
Probably because America has always sold Grammy/Oscars as the pinnacle of artistry even though only few awards every year are won by deserving artists.
THE most formidable video on this subject I have ever seen. Crazy good analysis and use of video essay tropes, along with sick jabs and funny cuts. Goddamn man, I am gonna shamelessly plug this video to every single person I know who will care. I stan your channel so hard Nick, keep on being an amazing creative.
6:25 also noteworthy is one of the albums beaten by Christopher Cross, was "The Wall", by Pink Floyd, who never won a Grammy for any of their albums. They did go on to win Best Rock Instrumental Performance for "Marooned" in 1995 (no I don't remember that one either), so they arguably did better than Bowie did in his lifetime.
@@Ali-xq2lw never seen one? I saw bts live on June 9th 2019 at Stade de France, and there were plenty of guys there. There was a guy sitting next to me. Just a quick research will show you how wrong you are. Jon Cena is a huge BTS fan. Mathew McConaughey saw them live and loved it. As for non celebrity males, just search on UA-cam "guys reacting to bts" and you'll find plenty male fans. Only 26% of the fan base are girls under 18. Just do some research, please.
Your videos are always so clear, so well considered, and so obviously passionate about the topic at hand. Thanks for making them, they always make my day!
Yo I'm a straight guy who was in the top 2% of BTS listener's on spotify! So don't talk crap about them, especially when you haven't played a full album by them!
No but I am actually so fed up of the "BTS IS JUST FOR TEEN GIRLS" narrative And this always comes for someone who doesn't know shit about their discography,like some of their songs are so intense, their lyrics, versatility is so impressing but at the end of the day BTS are winning despite of singing in a completely different language and outselling huge white artists in their own home country
as someone who has been stuck listening to the same music for years I would love to see a video of you recommending albums based on albums people may already like! your reviews are some of the only ones I trust lmao
If there's one thing with the Grammys that I think is better now is the fact that in the past decade they've largely stuck to rewarding big-name artists and big charting hits save for the occasional outlier like Beck and Arcade Fire. It's at least better than rewarding artists past their prime as an equivalent of a lifetime achievement award as they did with Steely Dan, Herbie Hancock, U2, etc.
Great video! I enjoyed it a ton and learned things so that's pretty cool. Also, wanna commend the comedic timing in the editing, actually audibly laughed
I feel like the Grammies should get rid of categories and just award a group of artist that made an impact on the year, whether commercially or artistically
depeche mode is tragically underrated in the us! i doubt at this point they’ll be inducted into the rock n roll hall fame, another arbitrary and shallow measurement of american musical success
"a slave to the enthusiasms of teenage girls" .... really, I hate how men have always ridiculed what girls like. It's no better nowadays either, men love to ridicule boybands just because it's something that girls like. Why do men hate girls so much?
If these teenaged girls behaved better, they might not attract the kinds of criticisms they get. I still remember when these idiots were sending death threats to Selena Gomez for the crime of dating Justin Bieber. The criticism is more than justified.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 teenage girls are being teenage girls, also no need to generalize....not everyone has sent death threats. Why do teenage girls get more criticism than sport fans? Sport fans are by far way worse
@@pinkturtle2016 Sending death threats is just one example. The more consistent behaviours which have come from teenage girl fans include abuse and mob mentality (particularly on social media), possessive and irrational behaviour, and harassment of (male) pop stars. This is not normal teenage girl behaviour, but the sign of mob mentality. It is this constant environment of stupidity and abuse which leads some to send death threats, and others to remain silent in the face of such toxic behaviour. Also, I have no idea what barometer you use to claim that sports fans get less criticism. They get plenty of criticism, and rightly so. But this video discusses pop stars, not sports fans. Pointing fingers the other way won't change the fact that many teenaged girl fans have brought their negative reputation on their own heads.
Why do people still take award shows seriously? I haven't taken the Oscars seriously since Shawshank Redemption didn't win a single award. There's always favoritism, bribing votes, and someone getting snubbed. Why give it any attention? Let them die out.
there's truly nothing wrong with music liked by teenage girls but god does it bug me when BTS is always assumed to be solely or predominantely enjoyed by teenagers. it truly erases the diversity of their fanbase in both age and gender and its frankly rooted in various levels of sexism.
@@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303 that is not easy to answer accurately. bts has 30+ million twitter followers alone, ofc more people that listen and buy their music and there is no official break down. a fanbase has done a survey last summer but they had 400k responses and are still working on the results (that alone should tell you something though. thats a research project beyond high school years). what I think is a valid indicator though is the buying power army has. stadim tours, merch, albums: all of these routinely sold out all over the world. you need to have a (stable) income to afford that. of course teenagers are an important part of the fans but limiting it to these, erases the age diversity that includes someone like me (someone closer to 35 than 15), my friends in their twenties and thirties, as well as my mother who is over 60 and cannot wait for this pandemic to be over to go to a concert and no she is no the only woman over 50 i know to be a fan. army is huge. it is female dominated. but we are not a gaggle of teen girls.
@@sherine4428 the problem is that the 70% the majority of their fanbase are teenagers girls and only a 30% is diverse for this reason all people always see to BTS like a teenage girls group also they are the most passionate and supportive in events or social networks because their age and free time and in the other hand people of other age are not that type of open supportive with they because you know the life occupations of a adult life or they keep like a secret by a pleasure fault. Bts has a diverse fandom but people of other ages are not the majority for this reason the image of teenagers girls group is always present.
In 2014 they cut off a back to back NIN/QOTSA performance (which was the finale of the ceremony) with a commercial. A lot of Nine Inch Nails and Queens fans were very angry with that.
Michael Jackson receive "0" Scammy for BAD Album 🤡 The same album who holds and set the record for 5 #1 Singles in Billboard, critically acclaimed and Sold 35 Million copies 🤡
@@yourfairyking I watched that Grammy video , remember MJ and Prince was not in good terms before but even Prince was Shookt when they announced U2 won 😂 BAD deserve awards even if we based it into Commercial Success or Artistic stand point.
I find it fascinating how the grammys and oscars differ so much. Pretty much nobody respects the grammys. The grammy winners reflect the opinions of absolutely nobody. Not the charts, not critics, not internet weirdos like us. Nobody. The oscars on the other hand don't seem to try and maintain this balancing act between what's popular and what's critically good. Of course, they're not perfect, but they seem to reflect the actual good stuff that comes out each year.
The Oscars have their own list of gross embarrassments for awards. Their are whole UA-cam videos about it. Ill watch the Grammy performances the next day, include Blinding Lights and skip who won what.
That's not true that the Grammy and Oscars differ so much. It's also not true that "nobody respects the Grammys". Don't let The Weeknd and a few other people may you think that...because it's not true.
It's certainly always very interesting to see which artists people WISH had been nominated, especially since there are smaller, sonically interesting artists who would benefit from some recognition that they might not get at a Billboard or VMAs ceremony. Seeing what music bloggers and youtubers wish could've been recognised is always a blast for me!
Always remember this, Madonna was ignored by the Grammy's from 1983 up to 1998. Even her most artsy, most personal, and her critically and commercially successful album Like a Prayer in 1989 never gets a nomination. Only in 1999 when Madonna was finally recognized by Grammy's. So the point here is that, you can be a very big superstar in the world, even without a Grammy.
The biggest radio station in Norway, P3, has a yearly competition / awardshow called "Untouched of the year". Each month they dig through the music scene to find interesting, little-known artists or bands, and introduce them to its listeners. The lucky "Untouched of the month" gets a song played regularly on the radio and interviews. Then, at the end of the year, there's a huge concert with former Untouched artists, current mainstream artists and the year's nominees. And Untouched of the Year is crowned and they are given resources to expand their careers. Girl In Red became famous through this award, I believe she won Untouched of the Year in 2019
Just watched this after having seen your Glee video a few days ago, and wow I love these video essay-style videos of yours, I’ve already rewatched the Glee one, and will probably do the same with this eventually. And yeah, in regard to the bit about a cycle of criticism from the music community, I feel like that must happen for almost every award show to some extent, though clearly the Grammies are making it way worse than they should. The Crunchyroll ANime Awards have only been going for about 5 years and I don’t think they’ve had a single year without significant criticism, the main difference being that at the start it was louder, since now it’s just kind of expected, a lot of people would be more surprised if they actually agreed with the picks.
Some quick AOTY stats from the past decade: AOTY only went to pop, country, and alternative albums this decade White ppl have won AOTY 9/10 of those years 5/10 of the AOTY Grammys went to 2 people (Adele and Taylor Swift)
Very good summary, really enjoyed it! One remark however (*personal opinion exclaimer*): If we really want to call the Grammys the biggest music night of the year, we need some nominations that have explored successfully new boundaries for what is considered cool and/or aesthetically pleasing not only for musicians or music nerds like me, but for the masses as well. I do not wish to argue about the hyperagressive advertisment and promotion of certain popular artists on all platforms and media (most of whom deserved the awards they won, I for one am a fan of MTS, Billie Eilish and somewhat of Taylor Swift). The point I am trying to make is that I personally believe that if we want to continue enjoying new musical experiences in pop music the technical and musical artistry should also be commended not only in the background or with thank you speeches, but also with nominations and even wins of big music awards. On that note, while I aggree that he might have gotten the nomination because of the people he knows in the industry (although I don't see how any of the musicians nominated can do otherwise in the Grammys) and because the other musicians are going ga-ga over him (which is a good thing right? makes it more likely to hear influences from JC on them or see collebs with him), I think there is a spot to be claimed by Jacob Collier for album of the year, if only to show that musical crazyness/dorkiness can lead to wonderful and catchy music. I do not think of the same way for other nominations (I agree with you about mostly all the other nomintaions for album of the year), but JC I think is a beast on his own. I might be considered as a Collier fanboy or musically nit-picky by some, but I am really not. I just LOVE when I can hear pop music that pushes itself forward with new sounds and ideas! Much love and keep making your incredibly well made videos!
it's so weird that the beatles and elvis had so many fangirls back then and now older people are like, "this was the real music"
Exactly
What sets the Beatles and Elvis apart from other artists is that they had an “artistic breakthrough.” Like at the beginning, they might have been considered heartthrobs that were mainly teen girl things. But then they gathered a larger demographic with their experimental sounds (especially in the case of The Beatles). But don’t assume that BTS will never win a Grammy (assuming you’re alluding to BTS). All BTS has to do is get experimental and turn music into a greater artwork.
@@satine2342 agree. they are actually good artists. but some older people still don't appreciate some modern artists today even though they are artistically great and experimental just because they are fangirl-ed/fanboy-ed by younger generations.
@@satine2342 thanks.actually they are aldready doing it.if you dig deeper you will find many masterpieces like shawdow,blackswan etc.but actually the regular type of songs like dynamite do well in charts while other underrated songs are not talked about.
@@satine2342 BTS concept is so big since It's beging. The entire discography is based on Carl Jung's theories, Hesse's book Demian and the concept of loving ourselves. Also they have songs with genious lyrics such as 'ddaeng' but are difficult for us non koreans to undrstand. I wouldn't like them to be recognized over dynamite a song they didn't even composed and It's in english.
Honey wake up, new Mic The Snare video
I come in the comments to make this comment word for word and what do I goddamn see? Good on you good person
I told you before! She can’t hear you silly! This is a youtube comment!
Honey go to bed, new Mic The Snare video and I wanna watch in peace
Who cares about the Grammys? I never.
(Wakes up a year late, scrambles downstairs like a putty crab)
They are relying heavily this year on BTS's fans to pull up attendance records, and then moved the only category that they deigned to give BTS a nomination in (Pop Duo) to the preshow, along with Rap (POC nominees) and R&B (POC nominees)
Forbes put out an article last year with a closing line that I think applies to artists like The Weeknd, as well as BTS:
"As BTS continues smashing records and the Grammys continue to lose relevance, who really needs who?"
Absolutely... I think BTS are a great example of a group for whom winning a Grammy (though good god they should have been in a better category than this) would actually be really meaningful in their career. I want to say the Grammys don't matter, but I think that's in a US context more than an international one. I hope they win, but either way, I'm going to feel like the Grammys nominated them for the Academy's and show's own benefit, not the artistry 🤷
Something I am always bitter about is the neglecting of nominating kpop. People usually diss the genre, but if you are familiarized with kpop you will know that there's some fine music, take BTS, they have really transgressive and defining music, GOOD music, and they've never got nominated till they bent to the system and made a song fully in english. It's a blatant act of gatekeeping and a bit racist.
Maybe the Grammys will create a category for kpop (even tho its pop) in the next decade, since it took a decade for rap to have a category. Basically they're gonna put them on the sidelane just like what they do to POC to stay in the Rap and Rnb categories only but who knows 🤷
@@denomava5470 Absolutely, especially if you consider the whole korean music landscape and not only what we perceive as kpop. And this applies to other countrie's music that is not english as well, they almost never get nominated. Japan has the 2nd biggest music market worldwide but there have only been 6 nominees/winners total?? How does that make sense
@Trent Nozen what genre does bts do exactly?
"We shall judge a record on the basis of sheer artistry"
The record: *"yEah yOu gOt thE yUmmY yUm"*
dynamite- nanana nanana nanana nanana nanana nananana life is like dynamite
@@aleena._.3503 What's the point you're trying to make? This channel made a video on 2010s music, and while he did praise JB's Purpose album, he followed that statement by the obvious: Yummy wasn't good. Dynamite on the other hand got recognition on his 2020 Music Awards video, and he named it one of his favorite bops of the year.
Pitchfork gave BE a 7.0 and Changes a 4.5 So... what's your point on trying to compare Dynamite to Yummy?
@@vic3041 he just thinks the chorus on both songs are repetitive
@@Gabe413 yeah but repetitiveness ≠ lack of artistry
@@vic3041 but most of the time music that's made just to get popular or for the cash is repetitive to get stuck in your head, and is usually only that one beat, music that's "artful" usually tells a story and has more variaty on the rythm
I kinda wish we had the grammys every year... but with no awards. Like a night with the biggest music celebrities and some super stellar epic performances. A celebration of music. And that's it. Maybe like a good worthy charity fundraiser. Like the met gala but for music instead of fashion.
All the awards do is piss people of and celebrate the establishment.
That would be so fun, imagine the artists are allowed to just get someone from the crowd to go on stage with them, and Beyoncé starts singing because... One Republic asked her to or something lol
Wait! You definitely snapped here! This is simply genius!
Yeah this would make me actually watch it
Isn't that literally just the Coachella?😅
Seeing that blurb about the Grammy credo and remembering "Yummy" getting a Grammy nomination for this year...
Truly, a record of "sheer artistry, and artistry alone"
Well hey, Justin didn’t win anything! We have some chance
The Academy: We can't nominate the Macarena, it's not *proper* music
Also the Academy:
@@satine2342 didn’t he win country duo for 10,000 hours or something like that
@@satine2342 he won for 10,000 Hours now cry
one word: Scooter Braun.
so the way the oscars treat animation is how the grammys treat everything, noted
Lol, These Award Shows are so lame.
I still pissed at The Wind Rises and that was 7 years ago.
Who cares about these awards anyway?!
uugh right?? the only “awards” show that i like to watch are the vmas bec its rarely about the award and more of a pure camp entertainment where all the popular artists get together and sometimes drama may ensue lol
Don’t forget how the Oscars treat documentaries and foreign language productions. Pretty sure the former has yet to even see a single Best Picture nomination.
Good to know we have always hated teen girls, scornfully ridiculing anything they enjoyed as inane.
Suppose some things really don’t ever change.
teenage girls have always been ahead of the curve. shame that people just choose to ridicule and refuse to realize it
I know it's such a shame. As a One Direction fan (don't judge pls) I know all about this. Their music matured so much since they started but they weren't taken seriously due to their massive fan base made up of mostly teenage girls
I think the problem is when they start manufacturing inauthentic, not super talented artists and idols to milk money out of teen girls... most of the newer gen are like that, and it has been for like 30 yrs with the creation of NKOB to basically have a white, more marketable version of New Edition, times are different than say when the Beatles were around. I'm not saying all groups that were basically record company ideas are bad but at times it just seems like what media tells teens to be into seems super shallow and inauthentic. And this is coming from a Jonas Brothers fan from childhood (whom I consider a "real" group because they were around and struggling long before signing with Disney)
They laugh then they copy
As a teenage girl who is going into adulthood in the coming years, I look back and realise how upsetting it is.
I'm a huge Taylor Swift fan, but I put it off for so long because I was so concerned about what others would think or say. It's stupid, Swift is an excellent songwriter and extremely talented. Additionally, loving her art does not mean I cannot enjoy other artists such as The Strokes, The Beatles and more (just thinking of my top artists).
I was a very insecure young girl. I still am, but I care less. I know that many others do/have done that. It took me an embarrassingly long time to realise that you can't please everyone and those who judge others music tastes are just idiots.
I hope that made sense
EDIT: I would like to say - Kandrick should have won that Grammy. Just because I'm a fan of hers doesn't mean i don't recognise that x
The fact that Britney Spears has only won a single Grammy and it wasn’t even televised says more than enough
I am surprised that Britney Spears has won a Grammy. Was this back when she could actually sing?
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 she always could sing. stop getting your knowledge from stan twitter lmao. about the win: well, don't be surprised. the fact that she has made some of the best dance-pop records of the 00s and 10's selling way more than Gaga and Beyonce combined and never even got nominated after 2010 is absolutely ridiculous. she has an album in the rock and roll hof for god sakes. which one of her peers can say that? None.
@@glitzkey903 She can sing so well that she lip syncs every concert and uses Autotune on every record? 😂😂😂
Look let me just get this out of the way 1) Autotune doesn’t magically be able to sing unless you overuse to the point were it is noticeable which means your nothing doing and very good job 2) lip sync doesn’t equal I can’t sing maybe their doing a dance number or just plainly can’t sing that day. Some artist do use that tool to “enhance” their sing but that tool they use wasn’t meant to be used in that extent.
@@kalinjones3626 And what if they lip sync in every concert, like Spears does? Dancing I can understand. Colds and sore throats I can understand. But even Spears' fans got fed up of her lip snycing to the point that politicians wondered whether they should put a disclaimer on her concert tickets. If dancing has become more important than real singing, there is a problem. Or maybe Spears just can't sing.
Started with the beatles...when girls used to faint and scream at the sight of them people used to dislike it. Now that its stopped, suddenly people realized that the beatles are amazing. Backstreet boys, 1D, bts....if you are hating on them or dismissing their music just because teenage girls like them then you're wrong for not even giving them a chance. Give it a chance. Its not just a bunch of pretty boys singing. I realized that a little late but I'm glad I did.
Like I’ve said in other replies related to the Beatles, the Beatles gained a wide demographic WHILE they existed. Their “heartthrob” years were in the beginning and they mainly attracted a demographic of teenage girls. But in a few years, after they became more artistic, the Beatles had a wide variety of people listening to them.
What sets 1D, Backstreet Boys, and BTS apart is that they never had their artistic era where they attracted a wide variety of people.
So that’s technically not true. The Beatles have always had a pretty diverse fanbase.
@@satine2342 i don't know that much about 1D or the backstreet boys (or the beatles, tbh) but as a bts fan, i'd hazard to say that bts's entire career has pretty much been their 'artistic era'.
they started out by criticizing the strict schooling system in south korea and gradually transitioned towards explorations of youth and growing up. they then launched the love yourself series which explored different types of love and how hard it can be to accept yourself in the face of it. their map of the soul series has explored jungian psychology and their relationships with fame. most recently their be album was largely about the pandemic and explored feelings of loneliness and unease they expericed. and on top of all of that, they've included songs that critique specific aspects of korean society in almost all of their work.
(and various members have been credited on these projects, its not just some production team that dreamed all this up for them. bts have been very involved since the beginning)
have they ever been publically acknowledged as being in an 'artistic era' the way they beatles were? no. but that doesn't mean it hasn't been happening.
also bts are HUGE worldwide which seems like a pretty diverse fanbase. check where they performed when they toured in 2018/2019. and recently the IFPI named them the best-selling artists worldwide in 2020 with three different albums in the top 10. you can't do all of that with just teenage girls or one specific demographic.
my point with this comment isn't to force you to become a bts fan, but just to dispel some of the rumors that have been surrounding their career and that work to discredit their achievements. (although if anyone wants some recommendations i'll gladly drop some ;)
if you talk to almost any bts fan who's been around for a second, we'll tell you that one of the main reasons we stick around is for their artistry. they're not just some passing fad of hot men or whatever people want to think.
@@jayyone6137 Agreed. As a former BTS fan myself, one of the reasons BTS had been so big is that they challenges societal norms especially in their home country.
When I mention an artist’s “artistic era,” I don’t always mean lyrics or intention. I’m usually talking about musical complexity. The Beatles always used instruments, but later on in their career, they incorporated a band and an orchestra into their works. And BTS hasn’t reached the point where they have enough independence to do that. And some might argue BTS’ music production quality has dropped. On top of that, BTS carries on the same musical trends (trap beats, autotune, etc). But with the Beatles and other artists (like Queen, Radiohead, etc.), they became popular because they made music that was never done before. So I’m not necessarily casting doubt on BTS, they just have to gain independence and try new things :)
@@biggusduckus6489 Never implied anything you accused me of. And when did I say dancing wasn’t a form of art? And why does dancing matter at the GRAMMYS?
Listen, it isn’t just BTS who lacks the right amount of recognition. So many other artists face that.
You’re also speaking to a proud Beyhive member. She has been in the industry for over 20 YEARS. And she takes huge initiative in writing and singing. While Beyoncé isn’t a Jack of all trades kinda musician, her most powerful instrument is her voice. She has the ability to take older styles and genres and mix them in with more modern ones to create unique sounding music. Like the Beatles, Beyoncé is one of the main pioneers for the “visual album,” which is an album with a music video for every track. She puts emphasis on the “ALBUM,” Not singles. Dancing is also one of her strong suits. If you watch any of her documentaries, she is a total boss and a perfectionist. To me, she’s the most hard-working woman in the music industry. Remember that when she was young, people didn’t take her seriously either (especially as a black woman). But she gained experience and worked hard.
I understand where you’re coming from with this comment but I think you’re being a bit hostile here. Mic isn’t saying that the academy’s idea of what makes good music is a valid one (as he explains later on). He’s just saying that’s what it is and that the perception of BTS is that their fan base is predominantly teenage girls. If you’ve watched his other vids he does respect BTS and has said that while it’s not for him their craftsmanship is stellar. I get the defensiveness but I think you’re missing the point a bit
1. The RYM route
2. All of the new RYM grammy voters only vote for crazy frog every year
3. Eventually all of the old voters retire
4. Crazy Frog can now vote
5. RYM voters all simultaneously retire
6. Crazy Frog is the only voter and the Grammys are renamed the Crazy Frog's Choice Awards
if rym were to vote only white men would win lol, they hate women
RYM is trash
@@portisheadthird3 What why?
@@portisheadthird3 wdym, 3 out of the top 5 albums from 2020 were made by female artists.
@@ahh952 as they should. Bjork greatest artist of all time and fiona apple greatest songwriter. Mariah greatest vocalist and men? OUT
“Who's to say that young girls who like pop music -- short for popular, right? -- have worse musical taste than a 30-year-old hipster guy, that's not up to you to say. Music is something that's always changing. There's no goal posts. Young girls like the Beatles. You gonna tell me they're not serious?
How can you say young girls don't get it? They're our future. Our future doctors, lawyers, mothers, presidents, they kind of keep the world going.Teenage-girl fans -- they don't lie. If they like you, they're there. They don't act 'too cool.' They like you, and they tell you. Which is sick."
- Harry Styles
Kinda ironic how grown man used to hate OneD cause of their fans but now love Harry Style cause they remind them of artist form their childhood lol.
@@captainaya2843 i call it ✨hypocrisy✨
@@captainaya2843 I mean I hated 1D because I really didn't like thier music, and I like Harry Styles music now because I think it's interesting to listen to. His songs now are clearly different to 1Ds.
@@shrisiva4016 honestly same, but I didn’t bash other people for liking it
@@shrisiva4016 some of Harry's music, especially from his debut is very similar to one direction's last two albums - Four and Made in the A.M.
You forgot to mention the fact that Kesha didn't even get a Grammy at least for one of her 2 nominations during the year she was invited to perform. They've pretty much used her situation for some clout and woke points.
@Trent Nozen why? What about her newest albums?
@Trent Nozen Hun Kesha is one of those artist who defined 2010’s pop. She, Katy Perry, and Nicki Minaj are snubbed for their works
@Trent Nozen Rainbow is a pretty solid album but yeah, they didn't have to give her the win. But pop vocal album to Ed Sheeran? Choices
@Trent Nozen Teenage Dream defined the 2010’s Pop like the album alone has 6 #1 hits on BBH100, that’s got to be something and they still snubbed her😐😐
@Trent Nozen rainbow exists....
Another thing that has always annoyed me is the whole "music's biggest night" thing when it's clearly... not. Not only are there much more prestigious music awards but they award mostly English-speaking people. I'm not from an English-speaking country and I've always had doubts that best music in the world only came from one place lol. That always contributed for me to not take them that seriously but I understand they may be huge for an American
americans thinking they're the centre of the world pt 382938
theres some good music from here admit it
@@deepfried2654 thats not what the other person said tho. they said not ALL m=good music is from english speaking countries esp america
this is just you twisting the words again, and making it more antagonistic than it is
americans thinking their the center of the world pt 382939
@@deepfried2654 They didn't say that tho??? Good music comes from anywhere, and the person is just criticizing that people think music is only worthy to be rewarded if it's from somewhere like the U.S.
@@FatimaZahra-lu8bf Award shows pull in millions of views. Last year the Grammys drew in 18.7 million views. Just because it's not big everywhere doesn't mean it's not a big event. What other award shows can you think of that pull in bigger numbers than that?
Bro people need to stop slandering the taste of teenage girls
Real talk 💯💯
@Glen Warne ok but it's the same with men and I don't see you calling them out
Or maybe teenage girls should learn/be taught to enjoy what they like without people's opinions altering that enjoyment, since that's actually a good general life lesson. As a woman these statements rub me the wrong way. It's like you want women and girls to be coddled. They are able to stand on their own two feet. Teen boys are able to easily brush off girls and women calling things like wrestling and call of duty stupid and meaningless, why do we expect girls and women to be so emotional, why do we perpetuate the stereotypes we claim to be breaking down?
And to me, a lot of media aimed at teen girls happens to be shallow. It's not an insult to the audience. It's an insult to the people who make that media who see young girls as more gullible. You're calling the wrong people misogynists. I'm not letting someone accuse me of having so called 'internalised misogyny' just because I think media like Twilight and early 2010s Justin Bieber is shallow and derivitive in its actual content. But ultimately I accept that people like, what they like. It's their life.
as a man who back in the late 90s hated the music of britney spears, backstreet boys, and 'nsync only to enjoy it as i realized that it's damn good pop music. i agree. i don't find anything wrong with BTS or 1 direction (even though i think harry styles is getting overexposed). i may not be aware of their music but if teenage girls like it. then so what? i'll just be listening to can, spaceman 3, boredoms, and whatever weird music i can think of.
Thats not a good reason to dislike something to be honest you can’t just say that you hate bts because teenage girls like them i don’t like them because it feels artificial and corporate also it’s too simple
"At least 51% playing time of the genre specified by the field," they said, as they give IGOR rap album of the year
neo soul doesn't exist
@@cw4019 Weird, I googled it and there are plenty of results. I don't know, maybe my internet's broken?
Also I didn't even mention neo-soul
@@jonhoskins8737 Nope, he was probably saying that Igor was classified as neo-soul, psychedelic soul and experimental hiphop. You can see it at rateyourmusic website.
@@joaogomes850 But my point still stands. There is definitely less than 51% of IGOR that is rap-like. I love the album and I'm so glad it was recognized, but that wasn't the right way to recognize it. Even Tyler said it's not a rap album
@@jonhoskins8737 Yeah, I agree, we are on the same board. I just think that guy mentioned neo-soul because Igor was classified as such genre but anyway
While it is fun to see who will win a Grammy, ultimately it doesn't affect how I view an artist's work. When I listen to a piece of music, I don't think "Wow this is good cause it won a Grammy," I think it's good because it's good music.
True
"What's left to say about the grammys?"
* Makes 40 minutes of video *
Ig there was things left to say then lol
It's very informative 🤷♀️
I learned a bunch of new things.
could have been 2 hours honestly
Never forget when MJ and prince got robbed back in the 80s or even recent years with Kendrick losing to Macklemore and The Weeknd not even being nominated SMH
Ong🤦🏽♂️
I mean, Michael held the record for most Grammys in one night. History or Bad should've won some awards.
@@yourfairyking Off the Wall got snubbed too:/
@@yourfairyking in the 1988 ceremony you can actually see him almost crying in his seat when bad didnt win after being nominated..why do I know this
The Weekend snub was truly shocking to me and reeked of Racism. I could understand if they didn't nominate BTS because they were a foreign act, but they had no cause to do the same to The Weekend, except for if they were racist bastards.
the fact that Kesha didn’t even win that night while Ed sheeran won and he wasn’t even there...for shape of you.... ??
Exactly! Kesha’s Praying song was powerful!
The whole thing was disgusting, when in the same category they had Kelly clarkson, Pink and Lady Gaga's million reasons on top of Kesha's praying. Like what the actual fuck grammys.
Kesha will never win bc she's too "controversial"
.. of none of it her fault.
@Glen Warne by that logic, bts should've won a shit ton of awards... But that wasn't the case.
@Glen Warne I wouldn't say "more popular", rather they're up there with those big names
love how everyone's starting to do the Adam Neely thing of answering the clickbait title with the thumbnail
Adam Neely: trendsetter
VSauce has a similar technique of bizarre, seemingly unrelated thumbnails that make sense once you’ve seen the video
I don't love it. The style is similiar with the chapters as well. UA-camrs without a style on their own bore me
@@lordbuddybear chapters arent about /style/ dummy it helps keep track of where you left off in a video, especially the longer ones like this. sometimes you cant sit for 40min straight. Also, the thumbnail thing doesnt happen in every video its not that deep
LMAO, I HAD NEVER SEEN THAT CLIP OF BECK WINNING THE BEST ALBUM GRAMMY BEFORE. That is amazing. Kanye showing a rare instance of self awareness, and Beck desperately not wanting to be on stage because he felt he didn't deserve the win. I had to rewind and watch it like 5 times lol.
I mean, there was no self awareness, Kanye later gave an interview saying "Beck didn't deserve it, Beyonce did"
@@shaileshkandpal2408 It was fully self aware. He walked up there and waved it off, making a very intentional joke about the VMA Taylor Swift debacle. What he said in an interview, where he was asked to share his opinion doesn't make his walking on and off stage a self aware joke.
😂😂
I'm a bts fan and it's heavily known in the fandom that bts is used for views and ratings. Grammys already has problems as this video points out, don't get me started on asian representation and the latin grammy awards. But as a bts fan and a historian, bts won't win the award bc the grammys have never given an award to boybands the case seen with backstreet boys. Mots7 deserved a nom, not dynamite.
For real. MOTS:7 felt almost like a magnum opus, something that captured so much of BTS' determination, fear and hope in just one album, and On is one of their strongest title tracks to date. They clearly put so much effort into the album and the Grammys just ignored it completely to go for the happy song entirely in English. I'm not saying MOTS:7 is their best work (though it's definitely one of my favourites), but it was an album that deserved rewarding for all it managed to convey. I would've been happy with BE as well, because we got so many amazing songs from that one too, as well as an exploration of BTS' feelings on quarantine and COVID-19 and their attempts to stay happy and hopeful in such dark times but because they're a pop boy band made up with people of colour, with only one member that speaks English fluently, they're likely never going to recognised, no matter how experimental and thought-provoking they get. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone who enjoys Dynamite but it's not one of their stronger songs in my opinion and the sole reason it even got a nomination was because it was in English.
@Winifred Eghrudje idk, on one hand i agree with you, but on the other, bts have said multiple times that being able to perform there matters more to them than the award, and I want to support their performance.
i also think it's okay to say MOTS7 *and* Dynamite deserve the nomination and the award, idk why y'all trash dyna so much. Would it be in my top 150 bts songs? probably not. but there's no reason to undermine it like that when the intention behind releasing the song was to have it be something light and packed with positive energy in a time where things were bleak for a lot of people. I think it achieves exactly what it intends to and some of the attitude within the fandom towards it is bothersome
@@FatimaZahra-lu8bf I said I had nothing against the song, I just personally believe they have stronger songs. I'm not hating on anyone for liking it, it's perfectly fine as a song and it serves its purpose (to inspire joy and happiness in dark times), so if you enjoy it, more power to you! My opinion shouldn't dictate your tastes. My main problem with the nomination for Dynamite is mainly because it was so painfully obvious that the only real reason it was nominated was that it was English. It's not their strongest work (in my opinion) and it's a little grating to see their Korean songs pushed aside in favour of their English one. I think that's the main reason the fandom has such a turbulent relationship with it. It's gotten the most radio play, so many performances, covers, etc, gone viral and broken records... But it feels a little hollow because it's clear that it only achieved it because the English-speaking audiences embraced it solely because it was in English. And it's a little frustrating to see that.
@@bleh4824 No, I 100% agree, I much prefer their other songs and find them Grammy worthy, but I don't see any reason to put Dyna down in order to lift the others up, y'know? It *is* obvious that Dyna was nominated because the RA actually listened to it and they actually listened to it because it's in English; however, this is not the fault of Dyna but rather the fault of the RA. It baffles me when people say "black swan/on" should be nominated instead but BTS didn't even submit them (I think they chose Dyna instead because of a) their lack of success with their previous songs and b) Dyna was an actual hit). Of course it isn't their strongest work, but I don't think they released it with the intentions that "this is going revolutionise the world" (as Yoongi said, they had already worked hard on darker themes for MOTS7, and wanted a break from that and do something fun to cheer themselves and the world up, and I think this is reflected in their approach to Dynamite).
So the sentiment that "BTS have great songs that deserve a Grammy nom/award" can exist without adding "instead of Dynamite" to it because I feel like that undermines the song and the group. But that's just my two cents.
@@FatimaZahra-lu8bf That's a really valid point, and I can genuinely respect that, even if I don't agree with it :3 (I think it's for me personally just from a place of dislike for the song, as well as frustration, to be frank)
Thank you for being so polite, I know how hard it is to discuss/debate when something that means a lot to you is the subject. 💜💜💜
Björk, the f*ucking legend and genius herself, not having ONE Grammy does not sit right with me. AT ALL
@Kerry Foerster not at all, if you would actually listen to her body of works
@Kerry Foerster It’s appropriately used when it comes addressing Björk. She’s a genius musician.
I think she's terrible but that's just my opinion.
Exactly, she is such an excellent musician.
What is the point of putting an asterisk of you’re not actually going to censor the letter it’s supposed to be censoring?
Who do you think will win big on Sunday, and why is it Coldplay?
EDIT: One correction - Can't Slow Down won in 1985, not 1989.
What do you mean, “why is it Coldplay”? I thought their last album A Moon Shaped Pool was pretty good
If it’s Coldplay I will CRY
I'm really hoping Dua Lipa wins at least 3 awards this year.
Man I love Coldplay but I just couldn't bear the backlash that they and the fans would get especially from Swifties and Dua's (love these albums btw)
@@Ridhotoni Dua Lipa fans are called “Loves,” and Coldplay would probably get a lot of backlash from Dua’s fanbase lol
Edit: Actually, there wouldn’t be much noise from the Dua Lipa community as say, Taylor Swift’s or something, because Dua’s fanbase is wayyy smaller and laid back.
4:10 So even as far back as the 1950s, society has had a strange distain for teenage girls. Good to know, I guess?
I think what he’s talking about there has to do with fans who are teenage girls. This problem just happened with the 2021 event. A whole bunch of BTS fans were writing mean comments under the winners’ posts. And these awards are nominated and chosen by the Academy, NOT the fans.
@@satine2342 I understand your point of view and partly agree with it but I think that's only because BTS have a huge fanbase like really gigantic so it's obvious you'll see them more often than angry fans of other artists. A lot of BTS fans are actually the whole grown-up people, I saw a lot of posts from them about not hating other winners and just support boys. And actually, I think almost every post from BTS fans was about hating Grammy (which is still questionable but that's not a hate toward Gaga or Grande) so it's not that bad, they're not bunch of screeching girls without brain like a lot of people think.
They cringy af that’s why
@@legendarystatus4705 do you feel the same about adult men who are devoted sports fans?
@@rcppcsk1589 um no, only because most of them are way more socially awarene and are not weird, as they shouldn’t be (they are adults), they don’t do tik tok dances everyday trying to catfish men and end up getting 10 likes, and they just overall aren’t petty like most teenage girls
I think the Grammys are doomed from the beginning.
1. It was built on a foundation of exclusivity with genres and white male artists being "better"
2. Music has no (maybe not yet) standardized scale/rating that encompasses the cultural impact, popularity and how well written it is
2.a. Even if there was a scale, music will always be a personal experience so everything's subjective anyway
3. Trends move faster than the crusty boomers in charge can see it. They probably still think BTS means behind the scenes
the way nicki minaj doesn't even have one and has 10 nominations..
Yea she is definitely one of the biggest artist of the 21st Century! It’s a shame that she has yet to win an award
What if she release something different than doing features with everybody she might get nominated but they dislike the music she puts out .I really think the music industry is actually tired of her and trying to end her career and making a lot of new female rappers to be the next hottest female
* the Queen 👑👑👑
@@titihamilton9247 If they were trying to end her career, they'd stop nominating her, lol.
... or they'd do something that'd actually matter - something not related to the Grammys, lol
@@BroudbrunMusicMerge but they are trying end her career it’s kinda obvious
As long as artists themselves care about Grammys, yes they do matter.
tell that to maynard james keenan.
eversince someone pointed out that they only nominate really great artist/performers (mostly bipoc) for them to perform hence more people watching and then give the award to those safe bets... its tiring... its a special little club of the elite. what if artists just boycott grammys? i wonder what would happen...
That wont happen cuz those artists still want the dirt of the Grammys. As long as winning a Grammy is the biggest achievement in one's musical career, we won't really "forget" about the recording academy. Just look at the Weeknd, hes never going back to the event but still bitches about it. Its only natural that the academy still thrives. The artists that we support still think of it as the greatest milestone of their journey.
@@chaizan9733 yeah true :< I really hope theres a new awards show fit for our times that will become more credible and bigger than the grammys!
Well, shouldn’t the Grammys have talented people on the awards? Because I don’t want a total lip syncer on the stage.
@@satine2342 aight.
@@baibiebaibea9740 I agree but don't get your hopes up for nothing, there's a history and legacy behind the Grammys and that's what's allowing the academy to still persist throughout the years even tho it has lost all credibility. Essentially, I stand for artists who don't need a prize like this to get the respect they may need. No artist nowadays needs the recording academy to be deemed a "renowned musician", from Queen, to Bjök, to some may say BTS, or other Korean artists that definitely have it in them to get a Grammy. Nowadays the musicians themselves don't really need that award in my opinion.
The big issue with any sort of rewards being given out by the people in the field, is that people are going to reward their friends or people they admire not the actual work. But then who is going to give out the rewards and award people who probably wouldn’t even be nominated in the first place. Knowing albums could be kicked off lists it feels like The Weeknd was probably kicked off any nominations this year for other artists. I am a swiftie yet I find it annoying how she can be nominated and win so many awards while Kendrick Lamar can make three of the best rap albums of all time and get one Grammy for it. That being said him winning the Pulitzer for damn is a higher compliment than any amount of Grammy awards.
There being biases in award shows is no secret in any of these award shows (Oscars, Grammys, Golden Globes, etc). Many of the nominees/productions companies/record labels will send “gifts” (monetary things such as expensive jewelry, expensive vacations, etc) to many of the people in the committee to insure a spot in the nomination list, or even to win the award(s)
Example here is Harvey Weinstein who “campaigned” for his movies to get in the nomination list, and to even win at the oscars. Many great deserving pieces of fine arts (Music, Flim, etc) don’t get the recognition they deserve because a lot of these awards aren’t always purely based on merit, but [again] “campaigning” (buying “gifts” to the voters in the various academies).
One big example being ‘Shakespeare In Love’ winning over ‘Saving Private Ryan’ for best picture:
(You can start from around the beginning)
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(Go about the 6:35 mark)
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But the thing though is that even if they weren't awarding their friends or people they admire, even if they were looking at their actual work, it still wouldn't matter, it would still be an unfair and rigged game because of personal taste. You can deem something to be a masterpiece and there will still be people who won't see it as a masterpiece because of their own personal taste which they have every right to have and is valid, and yet it doesn't mean that the piece is bad or that they are wrong. And what someone else claims to be a masterpiece you might not see it but again, it doesn't mean the thing is bad, you just don't like it and may not even have a specific reason for that, you just don't. And THAT'S the real problem. People are too different in their music range tastes. Someone from the Academy might listen to "Every breath you take" by the Police and dislike it while someone else also from the Academy might like it and bc of that, the song gets at least one vote, which is probably what happened with the song when it won best song many years ago. I'm sure there was at least ONE person in the Academy who was not a fan of the song and to them, it probably didn't deserve to win. That's why I feel like award shows like these shouldn't even exist. It's so hard to pinpoint something being good or bad when what's good and bad is subjective and relevant to the person's thoughts about it. And also, like, what happens when multiple artists have achieved the same thing? Do they all receive the award? I feel like awards like these should be given only for straight up facts. Who's the most streamed ever in the year, you can actually fact check that and compare numbers and give an award to the winner. Achievement for the most collaborations, you can actually fact check that, artist who has the longest song, artists who has the most variety of genres in an album or idk im making shit up lol but my point is it should be shit like that, things that can be literally measured in numbers and not voted on by random ass people.
The Weeknd not nominated for anything is utterly outrageous, he worked way to hard for that
@Kerry Foerster bro he had the biggest song of 2020 with blinding lights which has been #1 on billboard for over a year, he had 4 or 5 songs from his album in the billboard top 10 charts, every song from his album was on the top 100. And ur telling me he’s not good lmao
@@legendarystatus4705 don't mind this person he/she is trolling everyone in the cs..seems like he/she is bored of life:))
@@ronmin_yoongi3200 no doubt lmao
every artist works hard. let's leaving "they/he/she work/works/worked hard" argument only for delusional BTS stans alone. we're so much better than that.
@@legendarystatus4705 there's payola and who knows maybe he used it. again, the grammys don't care about charts or sales or records or ceritifications.
As a non-american, very few people care about Grammys outside of the USA.
Great video though.
Thank you, i was about to comment that haha
As an American, very few people care about the Grammys inside the USA
Yes. we're like okay so who wins this and who loses that oh congrats or poor them and then now what? 😂
@@asf8648 lol yeah
tbh i feel like it's unfair to BTS to constantly chalk up the (limited for their impact) attention their music gets to "the enthusiams of teenage girls" when they have a very diverse fanbase (i'm 26) and make truly incredible music. Also if they were at the whims of bts' fans it wouldn't have taken 4 years of chart domination and an english track (a great joyful song regardless that bts brought a ton of charisma to) for bts to get a single nomination and not even in a main category, they are up against a ton of gatekeeping. I wish you would have reviewed their album BE for example. They're the biggest music act in the world right now (check IFPI) yet don't get the critical attention and acclaim i genuinely think they deserve because of stereotypes like this rooted in misogyny ("boyband ew bad teen girls silly etc") or xenophobia ("kpop ew bad music robots homogenizing takes etc"). idk i just wish ppl would think more thoughtfully about them and really give their music a chance to shine on its own merits. think to yourself if another artist released this who i was more familiar with or had a different image would i think it was better or more valid.
omg yes mots7 literally the best selling album in sales both pure and combined ww for 2020,, literally followed by BE, literally a $50 album, at number 2. I honestly feel disheartened, but having known how bs the industry has always been to accept poc or anything new/progressive,, im not entirely surprised.
Agreed, sadly BTS don't have one or two things against them (boyband, Asian, don't sing in english, K-Pop) so they just downplay everything they do to "Teenage fangirls" (I'm a men 22yo, fan since 2015).
I love Dynamite, but I still don't get why nominate them until they realeased an english single when this year they also had Black Swan, clearly if BTS didn't release any english song the Academy wouldn't nominate them.
And I'm still mad that two years ago 'Tear' was not nominated except for album cover when critics gave that album better scores than other nominees.
The people who don't know anything about their discography are always the ones called them mediocre or just assuming that the fanbase is full of teenage girls, like all these girls can't buy 50$ albums and make it the #2 best selling album in pure sales neither can you fill up the stadiums like Wembley with just teenage girls
you said it perfectly well. bts dominate in both sales and meaningful music. sure, the large majority of army aren't even teenage girls, but why are they looked down upon in the first place? why do we have to say "we're not all teenage girls" when we want to be taken seriously?
@@swatideshmukh2280 sorry but you can filled stadiums with teenage girls. They had only a few dates around the world, so girls of all the world travelled to Wembley and filled. I was here and 70% of the stadium was teenage girls and very young adult girls in their 20s. The other 30% was more diverse people including some parents of this teenage and child girls that become fans too. I'm sorry but this is the reality and is not bad, nothing bad in have a majority of teenge girls fanbase. The boys are fantastic performers.
as Blinding Lights was 2020 biggest single worldwide according to IFPI (International Federation of the Phonographic Industry) so was BTS' Map Of The Soul: 7 the biggest album worldwide. what these two have in common? no Grammy nominations.
sure Dynamite was nominated as it should have been. it was the 10th biggest single worldwide also according to IFPI, it was #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 for 3 weeks and surprise, surprise it's still charting at the moment.
but nominating them in only ONE Pop category which was Best Pop Duo/Group Performance which for years consisted of just collaborations(?!?), then announcing that they will perform at the ceremony which they have always wanted, then moving this category along other categories which were dominated by POC to the preshow which was live on youtube and not on TV, to give the Grammy to a collaboration that everyone forgot about in 2020 and that didn't have that much of an impact in the charts of US or anywhere outside of it TO FINALLY USE BTS' PERFORMANCE TO KEEP 'HOSTAGE' THEIR FANS SO YOU CAN SAVE YOUR RATINGS FOR A THIRD YEAR IN A ROW ???
this was the third year they used BTS' success and fans for clout. and I can assure you as a BTS fan outside of the US I never cared about Grammys, not really, but they wanted to perform there one day and maybe even win one of the awards so of course, I wanted that for them. and yeah now I'm disappointed and pissed and a part of me wants for BTS to never seek validation from the US ever again. they are the biggest Pop act at the moment with or without a Grammy and a part of me wants them to do the same thing as Abel did: to also boycott these western award shows but then I remember what Twitter user @alapadma2 said:
"Of course I want BTS to ignore the Grammys like other artists have done. But we need to understand that that's a privilege Western artists have. This is their industry, while BTS are outsiders. The Grammys would love it if an outside, resistive force stopped challenging them."
so the other part of me wants for them to break the last glass ceiling because that's what they have been doing for the last years: breaking records and glass ceilings. make themselves visible and taking a chair at the table where it was possible and not where they created a separate table just for them (I'm not forgetting you VMAs don't worry).
to conclude I will leave here a quote from a Forbes article "But as BTS continue smashing records and the Grammys continue to lose relevance, who really needs who?"
Well said
@Kerry Foerster I will wise up when the academy won't treat BTS as bait for their fans to increase their viewership. This year's Grammys tanked as we all saw. Till then I will continue to stream and buy their music :)
@Kerry Foerster Agree. The grammy's gives zero fucks about charts, sales, and views. And I pray they never change that. It's because of the Grammy's I learn more artists who I've never heard of and will never hear about in mainstream media but are such GENIUSES! 2010 made me look up Esperanza Spalding! lol!
PERIODT
I agree but I think Rain on Me also deserved to win. It’s a great song. No one “forgot about it” (maybe u did) but many people didn’t.
after watching this year's grammys
-refuse to give poc artists nominations and/or wins they deserve (the weekend, chloe x halle, bts, doja cat, etc)
-push mostly poc-nominated awards to the pre-show And end up not giving it to them (chloe x halle, bts, etc)
-and using an act to promote before and during the show by teasing an award and a performance "soon" (bts, who were made to believe they would win, and whose fans were made to watch the show til the end by constantly teasing them as the next performers and then giving them a less than 3 minute time slot)
i have strong reason to believe there is at least some discrimination
but hey, they game beyonce, megan, her, and other black artists awards, so its impossible that they're racist, right?
They give Beyoncé, Megan the award and say that they are not racist but act racist with hundreds of others. The most famous examples are BTS and The Weeknd and Doja Cat, Chloe ×Halle
The Grammy's are the perfect example of "I have a black friend so I am not racist"
Absolutely disgusted with how they treated Doja Cat, BTS , The Weeknd, and Chloe ×Halle
Perhaps some of what you perceive as racial discrimination could be solved by cutting all the useless participation trophy categories they have?
They awarded black female rappers after a whole decade of Snubbing Nicki Minaj the only black female rapper eligible the whole decade.... sounds sexist and racist to me☠️☠️☠️☠️
Lmao no. Yes the Grammys are racist, but the fact you claim BTS and the other artists you mentioned objectively deserved the award is just freaking stupid. Like no, music is subjective and you ain't the truth owner lmao
@@user-cl3eu3mm4d damn. that's almost exactly what happen to tyler's pop album, IGOR. the grammy gave him the best rap album just because he's black (wtf)
Showing "thin white Duke" bowie right before saying "golden years" was inspired. Love the channel, bud. Keep it up!
The Grammys don’t matter in the slightest. Gonna watch ‘em anyway.
i mean , the performances are interesting so .......and ofc the curiosity .
my life is so boring i dont have a choice this year
I watch it because sometimes I found new artists that I eventually like. Shoutout to the Grammy's for introducing me to Kacey Musgraves. I tell you, it's been 2 years and man, I still listen to Golden Hour like everyday.
I don't watch
@@lonniegabbie 😫😫 Same
I’m literally subscribing, I’ve never seen someone dissect the Grammys and expose them for who they really are.............👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
SAME
@@mafranciscacorreia8852 🤙🏽
@@Mbalz779 yeah
There should be a UA-cam Critics Academy featuring Mic, Mark from Spectrum Pulse, Anthony Fantano, Jon from ARTV, Luke from Rocked, Shawn Cee, the members of Dead End Hip Hop, Todd in the Shadows, the Rap Critic, and whoever else you can find.
I like this idea as a starting point, but that could easily run into a similar systemic issue. So I’d entrust Mic the Snare and people of similar brilliance to figure out how to collaborate with an actually representative, diverse consumer base in order to shape the new Academy itself.
Dude, this is the John Oliver level of research and presentation
I’ve never been one to watch the Grammys. I was actually really excited to watch them this year because BTS, the first Korean group to be nominated, are actually nominated and will be preforming. But unfortunately to the disappointment of all BTS fans, their category is being presented in the preshow..... so yea, another year not watching this overly long and overly hyped award show.
No more army watching next year and Grammy proud to announce about 12M watching on the show and for sure 90% viewers is Bts Army even army from Asia wake up 3am just watch the pre-show and after announcing Group/ Duo category from more than 1M views down to 300K
“Fetch the Bolt Cutters” not being nominated for AOTY is a damn shame
Yes, such a shame.
i stopped caring for the Grammys ever since i learned Björk never won anything. it's fun to discuss and make predictions every year but it's so bittersweet with all the issues and bigotry and racism... feels guilty to express interest on the Grammys, like an incentive for them to continue their award show despite all the problems. this year i'll be rooting for BTS because i'm a big fan of theirs and i know how much that'd make them happy and that's about it. The Academy doesn't give me any other reasons to care for real
@@npcimknot958 right? so they don't award one of the most inspirational artists of all time and neither the most popular group... what do they base off? if not critically acclaimed nor its influence in the world.... we're just left with connections in the industry
>Artistic value and nothing but
SERIOUSLY GRAMMYS?
Michael J.R.R theSnare has blessed us with a long one
Funny that this video just missed the news as well that The Weeknd would be boycotting the Grammys entirely in the future. Looks like he won't even be a legacy act for them in the future huh
Eleven minutes in and I already ran out of pins... please don’t hate me Mic The Snare 😭😭
Well you gotta put something in it
@@AvgJane19 brb I’m going to get some pins, ain’t nobody gonna catch me like this again😂
unrelated but i find it funny how some areas in this comment section love perpetrating the whole dumb-girl-teenagers-trash take like... what'd the teens ever do to you lmao I understand that at times they can be found as pretty cringey but it's not like being a certain age or gender demographic plays a role in music quality? idk lolll cuz why are grown men commenting on young women. were you perfect as a teenager or smth? what?
They always stereotype teenage girls to these blonde girl (not saying that blonde teenage girl are bad, far form it.) who are petty and only think about boys or boy band and are rude to their friends.
Which is not true at all? How can you stereotype a really big group of people with different personality and interest?
"what'd the teens ever do to you lmao"
If you have to ask then you've never met a teenage girl. I knew teenage girls who were not just cringey but also obsessive. In high school, when I told I female friend I didn't care for certain boy band she listened to then tried to post my address online and trash talk me to other classmates. All because I didn't agree with her and I didn't even hate the boy band just didn't care for.
"but it's not like being a certain age or gender demographic plays a role in music quality"
I've had to distance myself from certain fanbases because the fans were so toxic and didn't want to be lumped together with them or ashamed to admit liking it.
@@alexisfreeze yeah cause all teenage girls are like your friends/s
There's a huge flaw in that argument and that is that Teenage girls grow up and when they do a lot of them start listening to different music. So yeah there is a thing as music that has teenage girl appeal.
@@wolfstar675 okay, While I can see what your point is, What kind of music is appealing to teen girls??? I know girls who listen to all kinds of genre from rap to heavy metal to pop country.
The comments: The fact that my favorite artist has never won a Grammy and this artist I dislike has 20 tells you everything you need to know about the Grammys 😒
Well its true for most of the cases...
Being a citizen from a non white non English speaking country I never paid much attention to the Grammys until this year only because bts was nominated. Its because the boys care ,the fans care fully knowing that they don't really need a grammy. I guess they see this as a final frontier to acheiving everything. Even now the lack of a Grammy can fuel them to keep creating lot of good music. Once they get it, I imagine they would be like "what next? We have already achieved world domination and the status of an icon"
that ajayii clip 😭
Man all the facts in this video are so on point. Grammys always award the most comfortable artist in my opinion, that are most easily digestible for the audience. They do nominate some well-deserved artist in this process but the amount of snubs are ridiculous.
I think the Grammys should stop branding themselves as "THE music award show" because they clearly don't know what they are doing with that dang committee of their's and they are only picking from songs that are huge in America (and they still pick and choose what THEY want while snubbing POC artistes and if not shoving them into tiny boxes) while ignoring a whole lot of good songs that aren't in English or Spanish
Honestly the fact that Sonic Youth, a band who had a long, fruitful career and produced some of the greatest, most groundbreaking and influential rock music ever recorded, was not once even nominated for a Grammy in their entire 30-year-long career proves a lot of the points made here. The Grammys exist to celebrate the status quo of the music industry, shying away from promoting anything threatening to the status quo like Sonic Youth, who influenced the likes of Nirvana and Radiohead.
It only matters to those nominated. The public don't really chat about the Grammy's or what it means because it doesn't really amass to anything. Its more of a self celebration if anything imo.
whenever the academy is wrong (so, most of the time), i'm either angry and/or disappointed. but then when they get the win right, it feels so victorious and joyful*. i really can't explain why these inane circle-jerks evoke such intense feelings in me and so many others, even when we KNOW they ultimately don't matter.
*can't remember the last time it happened w/ the grammys (rip) but a great example of a triumphant moment like this was the parasite oscar sweep
Probably because America has always sold Grammy/Oscars as the pinnacle of artistry even though only few awards every year are won by deserving artists.
biggest snub of the history: Can't Slow Down over Born in the USA & Purple Rain
THE most formidable video on this subject I have ever seen. Crazy good analysis and use of video essay tropes, along with sick jabs and funny cuts. Goddamn man, I am gonna shamelessly plug this video to every single person I know who will care. I stan your channel so hard Nick, keep on being an amazing creative.
Grammys is the toilet of awards shows
6:25 also noteworthy is one of the albums beaten by Christopher Cross, was "The Wall", by Pink Floyd, who never won a Grammy for any of their albums. They did go on to win Best Rock Instrumental Performance for "Marooned" in 1995 (no I don't remember that one either), so they arguably did better than Bowie did in his lifetime.
BTS has the most diverse fan base I've ever seen, I don't know why everyone keeps thinking it's only teenage girls.
diverse? its just girls liking them
@@Ali-xq2lw you're ignorant for saying that, we need to stop having that kind of mentality.
@@pinkturtle2016 no I am not ignorant it is just on my personal experience I never saw a guy liking bts but I've seen a lot guys liking bieber and 1d
@@Ali-xq2lw never seen one? I saw bts live on June 9th 2019 at Stade de France, and there were plenty of guys there. There was a guy sitting next to me. Just a quick research will show you how wrong you are. Jon Cena is a huge BTS fan. Mathew McConaughey saw them live and loved it. As for non celebrity males, just search on UA-cam "guys reacting to bts" and you'll find plenty male fans. Only 26% of the fan base are girls under 18. Just do some research, please.
@@Ali-xq2lw maybe the guys didn’t want to share that they like BTS with you because you seem judgmental.
Your videos are always so clear, so well considered, and so obviously passionate about the topic at hand. Thanks for making them, they always make my day!
Yo I'm a straight guy who was in the top 2% of BTS listener's on spotify! So don't talk crap about them, especially when you haven't played a full album by them!
Dude it's not that serious 🙄
K-pop stans take things a little too fucking seriously
No but I am actually so fed up of the "BTS IS JUST FOR TEEN GIRLS" narrative
And this always comes for someone who doesn't know shit about their discography,like some of their songs are so intense, their lyrics, versatility is so impressing but at the end of the day BTS are winning despite of singing in a completely different language and outselling huge white artists in their own home country
@@swatideshmukh2280 sure Jan
@@tylerwestbrook2392 wasn't talking to you, but go off I guess
Dear GOD this video is immaculate, essential, and insightful.
The video essay version of Crazy Frog.
as someone who has been stuck listening to the same music for years I would love to see a video of you recommending albums based on albums people may already like! your reviews are some of the only ones I trust lmao
Mic, I put so many pins in it that I ran out of pins. Luckily they all paid off, thanks for another amazing (& well researched) video.
I’m so glad I don’t hAve to be bored for 45 minutes now
If there's one thing with the Grammys that I think is better now is the fact that in the past decade they've largely stuck to rewarding big-name artists and big charting hits save for the occasional outlier like Beck and Arcade Fire. It's at least better than rewarding artists past their prime as an equivalent of a lifetime achievement award as they did with Steely Dan, Herbie Hancock, U2, etc.
“Wow! It’s an award statue!”
“Aw, it’s a Grammy....”
“Hey! Don’t throw your garbage down here!”
That list of artists who haven't won a grammy is my shit.
bro same ^_^
Watching this video and vibing to 15 step in the background is a great experience.
4:15 _"a slave to the enthusiasms of TEENAGE girls"_
"Boy I'm sure glad that didn't happen." proceed to show BTS clip 😂
Great video! I enjoyed it a ton and learned things so that's pretty cool. Also, wanna commend the comedic timing in the editing, actually audibly laughed
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I feel like the Grammies should get rid of categories and just award a group of artist that made an impact on the year, whether commercially or artistically
depeche mode is tragically underrated in the us! i doubt at this point they’ll be inducted into the rock n roll hall fame, another arbitrary and shallow measurement of american musical success
The Weekend’s storytelling is amazing. The Grammy’s are milk toast to the max.
Love the Adam Neely flavour in the title + thumbnail.
"a slave to the enthusiasms of teenage girls" .... really, I hate how men have always ridiculed what girls like. It's no better nowadays either, men love to ridicule boybands just because it's something that girls like. Why do men hate girls so much?
It’s not only men, it’s every single adult.
If these teenaged girls behaved better, they might not attract the kinds of criticisms they get. I still remember when these idiots were sending death threats to Selena Gomez for the crime of dating Justin Bieber. The criticism is more than justified.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 true bro
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 teenage girls are being teenage girls, also no need to generalize....not everyone has sent death threats. Why do teenage girls get more criticism than sport fans? Sport fans are by far way worse
@@pinkturtle2016 Sending death threats is just one example. The more consistent behaviours which have come from teenage girl fans include abuse and mob mentality (particularly on social media), possessive and irrational behaviour, and harassment of (male) pop stars. This is not normal teenage girl behaviour, but the sign of mob mentality. It is this constant environment of stupidity and abuse which leads some to send death threats, and others to remain silent in the face of such toxic behaviour. Also, I have no idea what barometer you use to claim that sports fans get less criticism. They get plenty of criticism, and rightly so. But this video discusses pop stars, not sports fans. Pointing fingers the other way won't change the fact that many teenaged girl fans have brought their negative reputation on their own heads.
Why do people still take award shows seriously? I haven't taken the Oscars seriously since Shawshank Redemption didn't win a single award. There's always favoritism, bribing votes, and someone getting snubbed. Why give it any attention? Let them die out.
there's truly nothing wrong with music liked by teenage girls but god does it bug me when BTS is always assumed to be solely or predominantely enjoyed by teenagers. it truly erases the diversity of their fanbase in both age and gender and its frankly rooted in various levels of sexism.
Genuine question, what is their primary demographic?
@@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303 that is not easy to answer accurately. bts has 30+ million twitter followers alone, ofc more people that listen and buy their music and there is no official break down. a fanbase has done a survey last summer but they had 400k responses and are still working on the results (that alone should tell you something though. thats a research project beyond high school years). what I think is a valid indicator though is the buying power army has. stadim tours, merch, albums: all of these routinely sold out all over the world. you need to have a (stable) income to afford that. of course teenagers are an important part of the fans but limiting it to these, erases the age diversity that includes someone like me (someone closer to 35 than 15), my friends in their twenties and thirties, as well as my mother who is over 60 and cannot wait for this pandemic to be over to go to a concert and no she is no the only woman over 50 i know to be a fan. army is huge. it is female dominated. but we are not a gaggle of teen girls.
@@sherine4428 the problem is that the 70% the majority of their fanbase are teenagers girls and only a 30% is diverse for this reason all people always see to BTS like a teenage girls group also they are the most passionate and supportive in events or social networks because their age and free time and in the other hand people of other age are not that type of open supportive with they because you know the life occupations of a adult life or they keep like a secret by a pleasure fault. Bts has a diverse fandom but people of other ages are not the majority for this reason the image of teenagers girls group is always present.
@@Itzzy515 could you give me a source for that number?
Are you salty because you're an adult who is into boy bands and doesn't want to be lumped in with the teenagers?
The fact that Queen never won a Grammy is a fucking CRIME
1:38 probably the best transition in any music related video Grammys video editing video or even just video by you ever
Im going to watch the Grammy's just so I can complain about the Grammys
In 2014 they cut off a back to back NIN/QOTSA performance (which was the finale of the ceremony) with a commercial. A lot of Nine Inch Nails and Queens fans were very angry with that.
I also shouted "WHAT" when he said that only one Motown artist won an award.
Your video on Glee and this are both very enlightening and spectacular. Subscribed!
Michael Jackson receive "0" Scammy for BAD Album 🤡 The same album who holds and set the record for 5 #1 Singles in Billboard, critically acclaimed and Sold 35 Million copies 🤡
Bruh that’s what I’m saying🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
The Bad album was his best record, and definitely deserved a Grammy, even if they don't mean anything.
If you watch the 1988 ceremony you can actually see mj almost try not to cry after bad was just nominated and didnt win
@Glen Warne Never cared for U2, so Michael still has my vote.
@@yourfairyking I watched that Grammy video , remember MJ and Prince was not in good terms before but even Prince was Shookt when they announced U2 won 😂 BAD deserve awards even if we based it into Commercial Success or Artistic stand point.
I find it fascinating how the grammys and oscars differ so much. Pretty much nobody respects the grammys. The grammy winners reflect the opinions of absolutely nobody. Not the charts, not critics, not internet weirdos like us. Nobody. The oscars on the other hand don't seem to try and maintain this balancing act between what's popular and what's critically good. Of course, they're not perfect, but they seem to reflect the actual good stuff that comes out each year.
The Oscars have their own list of gross embarrassments for awards. Their are whole UA-cam videos about it. Ill watch the Grammy performances the next day, include Blinding Lights and skip who won what.
the oscars and the grammys have a lot of the same problems, just look at the way they treat the technical categories and animation
That's not true that the Grammy and Oscars differ so much. It's also not true that "nobody respects the Grammys". Don't let The Weeknd and a few other people may you think that...because it's not true.
Mic you’re probably never gonna see this but I am so glad that you exist and are choosing to share your thoughts with us
It's certainly always very interesting to see which artists people WISH had been nominated, especially since there are smaller, sonically interesting artists who would benefit from some recognition that they might not get at a Billboard or VMAs ceremony. Seeing what music bloggers and youtubers wish could've been recognised is always a blast for me!
Always remember this, Madonna was ignored by the Grammy's from 1983 up to 1998. Even her most artsy, most personal, and her critically and commercially successful album Like a Prayer in 1989 never gets a nomination.
Only in 1999 when Madonna was finally recognized by Grammy's.
So the point here is that, you can be a very big superstar in the world, even without a Grammy.
The biggest radio station in Norway, P3, has a yearly competition / awardshow called "Untouched of the year".
Each month they dig through the music scene to find interesting, little-known artists or bands, and introduce them to its listeners. The lucky "Untouched of the month" gets a song played regularly on the radio and interviews.
Then, at the end of the year, there's a huge concert with former Untouched artists, current mainstream artists and the year's nominees. And Untouched of the Year is crowned and they are given resources to expand their careers.
Girl In Red became famous through this award, I believe she won Untouched of the Year in 2019
i literally care more about which album gets rym's aoty than the grammys
At least they got it right in the 80s with the win for The Be Sharps
Bruno mars is a man of color who won album of the year. So that's a progress
Just watched this after having seen your Glee video a few days ago, and wow I love these video essay-style videos of yours, I’ve already rewatched the Glee one, and will probably do the same with this eventually.
And yeah, in regard to the bit about a cycle of criticism from the music community, I feel like that must happen for almost every award show to some extent, though clearly the Grammies are making it way worse than they should. The Crunchyroll ANime Awards have only been going for about 5 years and I don’t think they’ve had a single year without significant criticism, the main difference being that at the start it was louder, since now it’s just kind of expected, a lot of people would be more surprised if they actually agreed with the picks.
Some quick AOTY stats from the past decade:
AOTY only went to pop, country, and alternative albums this decade
White ppl have won AOTY 9/10 of those years
5/10 of the AOTY Grammys went to 2 people (Adele and Taylor Swift)
I would have to listen to those albums to see whether they deserve the Grammy. Not surprised by Adele winning. Her albums are usually top quality.
The lord has talked, no complaints
In a parallel universe, Carly Rae Jepsen won a Grammy for E•MO•TION
And the album would have gone diamond and have several No 1 singles
Emotion should of won a Grammy,it’s a great album that gets overlooked.
I Like that when he talks about connecting with music it switches to daft punk
Yes lol
Very good summary, really enjoyed it! One remark however (*personal opinion exclaimer*): If we really want to call the Grammys the biggest music night of the year, we need some nominations that have explored successfully new boundaries for what is considered cool and/or aesthetically pleasing not only for musicians or music nerds like me, but for the masses as well. I do not wish to argue about the hyperagressive advertisment and promotion of certain popular artists on all platforms and media (most of whom deserved the awards they won, I for one am a fan of MTS, Billie Eilish and somewhat of Taylor Swift). The point I am trying to make is that I personally believe that if we want to continue enjoying new musical experiences in pop music the technical and musical artistry should also be commended not only in the background or with thank you speeches, but also with nominations and even wins of big music awards.
On that note, while I aggree that he might have gotten the nomination because of the people he knows in the industry (although I don't see how any of the musicians nominated can do otherwise in the Grammys) and because the other musicians are going ga-ga over him (which is a good thing right? makes it more likely to hear influences from JC on them or see collebs with him), I think there is a spot to be claimed by Jacob Collier for album of the year, if only to show that musical crazyness/dorkiness can lead to wonderful and catchy music. I do not think of the same way for other nominations (I agree with you about mostly all the other nomintaions for album of the year), but JC I think is a beast on his own.
I might be considered as a Collier fanboy or musically nit-picky by some, but I am really not. I just LOVE when I can hear pop music that pushes itself forward with new sounds and ideas!
Much love and keep making your incredibly well made videos!