People were curious about why I didn't really acknowledge Jacob Collier, so here we go -- I think he's a genius + he's one of the most talented musicians in the world. He deserves every ounce of his success and so on...but that doesn't mean that I enjoy listening to his music. He loves to make these veeeery complex arrangements with really strange harmonies, and that's just not really for me. I would never say that he's a bad musician or anything. I went through a phase in college when I was obsessed with people like him, Snarky Puppy, Lettuce, etc. The more complicated, the better. But that's just not really what I'm into right now. To each their own. Hope everyone has a good weekend + stay safe 💖
@@portisheadthird3 facts...great video, but if his point was that the nominations should be defining albums of that period that you can't discredit Teenage Dream for that, one of the biggest pop albums of the decade. I understand it's not for everyone but don't think it's fair to discredit it as boring, generic pop when it had some of the decades biggest hits
ikr Jacob Collier is not for everyone, and that's why I was so surprised when he got nominated for AOTY, he's not mainstream enough I thought. Could be because of his bonds with MJ's producer Quincy Jones and jazz's massive legend Herbie Hancock
honestly for anyone who hasn't listened to the collier album (Djesse vol. 3) it's way more accessible than his previous albums, I can almost guarantee that you'll like at least 2-3 songs from it. the album has a pretty good amount of mainstream appeal with features like ty $, daniel caesar, tori kelly even rhapsody
@@Jorge22066-e should've got nominated for album of the year, it's genre bending songs are immaculate, stunning, amazing, wonderful, literally everything good
@@freetayk8593 "Can't Slow Down" by Lionel Richie won Album of the Year at the 1985 Grammy Awards. The nominees for Album of the Year at the 1985 Grammy Awards were "Can't Slow Down" by Lionel Richie, "She's So Unusual" by Cyndi Lauper, "Purple Rain" by Prince & The Revolution, "Born in the U.S.A." by Bruce Springsteen, and "Private Dancer" by Tina Turner.
@@Perrygawdyeah and fucking Harry styles won album of the year and had the nerve to say in his speech “this isn’t something that happens to people like me”
It’s somewhat jarring to go from the great lyrics as “Yeah girl you got that yummy yum yummy yum” To the absolute horrid ness of “Marked me like a bloodstain. Tried to change the ending Peter losing Wendy”
The main thing to take away from this video is how snubbed Kendrick is. He’s one of if not the best lyricist, rapper, and album creator of all time and is constantly being snubbed. Such a shame. 😔
TPAB and DAMN won the best rap album at least, good kid maad city didn't ffs Macklemore... That wasn't fair. Same with the Cardi B - Travis incident in 2018
@@spooked2104 idc, Cole will always be overhated, he doesn't deserve the criticism he gets to be honest.. yea maybe he's not at Kendrick's level, but I heard people saying he's average and I doubt it, i don't think rappers like Young Thug, Future, or Lil Baby (just some random examples) can create a classic album. Imo 2014 Forest hills drive should be considered one and The Fall-Off might be the next. He's a natural and seeing people absolutely thrashing him makes me annoyed
Yep, critizising the Academy and attacking the artists are 2 different things. It's not like the artists themselves choose who wins. That whole "hating on the recognizable face instead of pointing out the flaws in the establishment" isn't healthy and doesn't work.
@@ujerry_ Dude, Niki and Cardi B aren't in competition. Musicians can coexist. If your only argument to hate on Cardi is "Niki is better", congrats you don't hate Cardi, you just like Niki better. You can dislike Cardi, I'm not saying you can't and I'm not saying she deserved that Grammy. I'm just saying that hating on something because you love something else more is stupid. If you can only listen to one person's music because everyone else is trying to "steal their spot", I pity you.
probably because it was released late 2010 while the grammys are held in the first few months of the year , so it shouldve been nominated for the 2011 grammys
@Michael Jordan I never cared about Mac until my boo started playing him a lot, I don’t really like rap/hip hop but is solid af, emotions and lyrics are raw
Teenage Dream might not have a high critic score due to biased critics, but that album was iconic and impactful in shaping 2010s decade’s pop music, GOOD pop music.
The problem of the grammys is that they will stay relevant if people keep giving them the relevance. Like, they have lost their prestige, but in a good or bad way, we keep talking and caring about them
cause the title is considered to be the highest award body for music kinda like oscars for films tho i agree, it's really confusing to pit art against one another especially when its subjective. guess we just have the obligation to fight for what we think a piece of art deserve for us
Unlike movies, music is hard to grasp. Someone who likes blockbusters like Avengers would find it easier to like Driving Miss Daisy than someone who likes pop music to like an experimental album, so if every nominated album are indie and experimental or alternative, fans would feel disconnected. As an alternative fan I feel that Grammys should serve fan favorites to a certain degree for this reason and also that the pop industry needs their fun too. It's not too easy to make a catchy hit. But the problem is the Grammys are carrying it too far.
@@cherrynado I hear you. I do feel that Grammys should be relevant (in response to the original commenter's statement). But personally I do know that people would get excited and flock to a UA-cam video if the artist gets nominated or wins a Grammy and they would comment on how they feel about the winner. There are people who take Grammys seriously or if not, at least as a source to know which music they should listen to. Another thing I thought about is how does one become an academy member? If it's about topping the charts then more pop artists will be academy voters and would lean on the music they're familiar with. Also artists don't listen to music like critics do. They have to write and record their own music, so I think they don't invest as much time and energy as critics in listening to albums.
Oscars are far better than grammys they get some unnecessary hate not saying they doesn't suck but many of the best picture winners are actually good and is arguably the best of their years like The Godfather, Schindler List, Parasite, Moonlight all movies are the best movies in their respective years And the Oscars snubs are obvious and no one in the earth agree with the decisions and are hated universally by everyone like Crash, Shakespeare in love winning best picture Only some rare albums that won album of the year are actually classic and best of the year but most of the winners are forgettable
As a whole album it’s forgettable, a lot of people forget that the point of an album is to listen to it in full not pick and choose your fave songs and discard the rest.
Honestly, Weeknd needs to work on his range. He's very statically higher pitch. Little vibrato. I know he's famous. But there hasn't been good singers in awhile. He's a big fish in a small pool.
Teenage dream is the definiton of POP music, It inspired many pop artists too, if ET is released this year it woul still go No1 and Fireworks is a timeless song. not to mention the amazing acoustic version of the one that got away and all the other bangers in that Album.
I think popularity should’ve been added as a factor to the graphing. An album can have good total scores but only reviewed 10 times while another album can have decent scores while reviewed 1,000 times just to simplify an example. I believe popularly volume amongst people matters just as much as whether or not they like the album
100%. Your comment should be way higher. Came here to say this. A lady gaga album have been reviewed way more than a more niche album. Number of reviews will affect the score
Thats exactly what i was thinking. A popular/trendy artist album generally tends to have a LOT of negative reviews just because that people doesn't like the artist and wants to troll around and that mixes the final score. So yeah, popularity is a big big fact
@@longstachkaido240 yes ofc it's always the female minors fault, because how could a "hormone-driven" female ever not be stupid and dumb. Only I, a formidable old manly Male man know what's best for music.
I don’t understand what searching “Taylor Swift sellout” has to do with anything. That album was the biggest of her career with multiple #1’s. Even if some people felt that way it certainly wasn’t the overwhelming narrative.
Also how did she sellout with 1989? She was signed to a country label and had to fight tooth and nail to be allowed to make a pop album. And while the songs on 1989 maybe don't sound that special nowadays, they were quite different to the songs being played on mainstream radio back then.
@@ahhhhyes That wasn’t really a compliment towards taylor swift. It seemed more of a dig towards her and the album. Saying she was a sellout for making 1989 doesn’t mean he likes Taylor Swift.
honestly "igor" is the best album i have ever listened to... it shouldve won. its a piece of art. im glad billie eilish won though, it's also a good album and it showcases a different kind of sound. im just kinda disappointed how the academy picked her to win like 5 categories. im not saying she didn't deserve them, im just saying how there were better picks.
and that's the thing everyone is gonna have a different idea of what they think "good" is awards show in general really shouldn't be taken seriously it's all just what a group of people think even critics aren't the be all and end all to whether music is good or not
@@joannaj.2787 YES I Understand Adele deserve to win Album of the Year 21 and Born This Way just 1st Runner Up But I'm really rotting her to Win The Fame and The Fame Monster
Honestly, I do the same thing with anything I like. Movie or artist wins at the Grammys or Oscars: Wow what an honor to be recognized as the cultural achievement it is. Movie or artist loses at the Grammys or Oscars: Why do we even have award shows? They are so out of touch with what people actually like That being said RTJ4 deserved a nomination
@@RacingWorldTV202 since kendrick got a pullitzer before a grammy i think that rap should get out of the grammy or smthg they're more often discrediting the culture than not Edit : remember the pullitzer is basically litterature's nobel
the oscars tend to have good picks though? Everybody agrees on a few misses they have but for the most part they get it correct year after year for almost a century. For the grammys it’s quite the opposite.
Saying Taylor Swift won in 2010 just because she was a "pop star" isn't true. First of all, she did country. And second, literally no one knew who she was before Fearless, that was her breakthrough album. She deserved AOTY.
That album is like the biggest album in country history and I think it was lot more indluential than people want to give credit. It opened country music to younger generations and a lot of people who were not from US. Taylor is literally the face of you young country. All the young artists like kacey and kelsea are compared to her.
Beauty behind the maddnes 2015 was literally the best album didn’t win same with after hours. Feel like they targeting The Weeknd because he’s just too good
I was absolutely ecstatic when Random Access Memories won. By far one of my favorite albums musically of all time. The production was nails through and through and the percussion was flawless.
I hope Future Nostalgia or Hollywood's Bleeding. No great nominations this year, but those two, for me, had at least 4 or 5 really enjoyable tracks and tried something new for the creator.
@@ft594 🤣 Bro, she'll probably win just cause Taylor Swift. She literally wins half the rewards even if she didn't even release anything in that year.🤨
Folklore is an amazing album. I can listen to it over and over again, and each time, the story changes. It’s the beauty of storytelling woven into songs.
I personally think that Born this Way and Beyoncé were amazing albums that deserved their nominations. At the time of their releases, they were both considered the magnum opus of the two artists respective careers. They both brought something new and innovative to pop. Lady Gaga blended themes of acceptance, love, being true to who you are with electronic, metal, and even jazz sounds while Beyoncé created an album about the liberation of a woman that was beautifully sonic with its r&b, pop, electro pop, and a little bit of soul. Plus they both made wonderful visuals for the albums. Lady Gaga was creating weird fantasy short films and Beyoncé made a whole visual album. In my opinion, just because something is mainstream doesn’t mean it lacks artistry, thought, or value. Then again, this is just my opinion.
Just bc lady Gaga SND Beyoncé are “mainstream” doesn’t make them undeserving 😭 I love ye but this dude is lowk a crybaby. Beyoncé, Gaga, AND Kanye changed the mainstream game together that year. KANYE is an open fan of both of them. The main reason Kanye is disliked by award shows is bc the Taylor situation which he interrupted to praise BEYONCE
@@johnproulx1355 whatever u say...there will be a fewer albums with the songwriting that Evermore has..and not every artist should produce tiktok songs. There are good amount of artists that produce good music too. If u think that it's mediocre, then go listen to the tiktok artists. 😊
He said some of those were mediocre forgettable albums...but those are stuck to my head ever since I heard them 7-8 years ago and still sound so good to me
I just wanna remind everyone that Michael Jackson got nothing for the BAD album. Granted he got a ton for Thriller as he should, but BAD is also one of the greatest albums ever. Grammys are trash
The album that won that year U2’s Joshua Tree was a good win tbh and I have no problems it winning over BAD , to me its on the same on level as bad. Joshua Tree sold 25 million copies and alot of ppl see it as one of the best albums of all time and U2’s magnum opus. alot ppl weren’t really mad at BAD losing to joshua tree given how influential joshua tree was, heck Joshua tree was even added to the library of congress something bad didnt do Even at that time it won the grammys alot of ppl weren’t mad that it won over bad because many called Joshua Tree as one of the if not the best album of the year in 1987, rolling stone even ranked it number one.
The Fame by Gaga an okay album? The Fame revolutionized pop music and music from 2008 until 2012 altogether bringing dance music to the forefront and dance music basically was the thing those 5 years and it was all thanks to Gaga and this album.
Some of the high rated albums got high rated because they weren't listened by a lot of people, I think you missed out the popularity factor in the nomination.
Why does it matter if passive listeners / fans of easy-listening mediocrity gave a shot to ambitious, multilayered masterpieces like TPAB if they wouldn't even give a shit for what's going on on it?
Yes but we should also remember that the more popular albums have a larger band of “users” giving a rating so it makes sense that the average will get pulled into a medium range As opposed to a less popular album that has a super great fan base who adored it and rated it as such
i think they should’ve taken in consideration the billboard 200 data as a third factor. non-popular albuns got a lot of 10s while famous albuns got mixed and very extreme reviews since the fans and haters are included.
@@Miguel-fm2dl agreed that’s a good place to get the numbers! you gotta do something like that or the data is just not complex enough! But complicated data analysis is not as easy for a good UA-cam video !
Even if the superstar position is what gets Gaga nominated, I am not going to pretend that she’s mediocre. She changed the face of pop music in the early 2010s and I stand by that a decade later.
Plus her impact is more than that. Her music literally saved millions of lifes, especially younger members of the LGBT community at the time when teen LBGTQ suicide rate is at all-time high.
taylor is slowly becoming the Meryl Streep of the Grammys. Giving her a win is probably the worst thing the recording academy could do. Not because the album doesn't deserve it (I'd love for it to win), but the general public just doesn't like TS, so backlash would be inevitable. I do hope WIMPIII takes the award. That album deserves so much more recognition than it got. Virtually, nobody on twitter, FB, or Instagram knew who HAIM was when they revealed the aoty nominees.
@@franks8462 If I could decide who wins, I would 100% pick WIMP3. Incredible album. But, haim lacks the household name that Taylor has. While I want Haim to win, I know they won’t so I’d rather Taylor or Dua to win out of the rest of the nominees.
I don't think he has something against them. He just basically explained through graphs that those who have higher average of critics and audience score end up losing and not even getting nominated when he thinks album of the year should be about fans and critics scoring/ review. The data don't even comes from him but a certain site. I honestly get his point, you can have the best album but if you're not this famous star you won't even get noticed. Anyway that's how award shows works, more about politics, fame and publicity stunts.
They are talented and have good albumz but definitely shouldnt have gotten so many grammies. I feel like every year they nominate Beyonce just to break her biggest record, which is getting grammys
@@tuasee3033 i honestly don't get what you're trying to say... my only point here is that alfo media is not hating on Taylor and beyonce. Hes just presenting on what he thinks how the grammy should work since great albums are overlooked for nomination.
@@ezrealxshsh5460 She gets alot of small grammys. And few significant ones. Thats why she has so many grammys. And also the fact that the artists against Beyonce for those small grammys have no chance
Most infamous Albums of the Year *2012:* Should have been _My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy_ - went to Adele's _21_ *2016:* Should have been _To Pimp a Butterfly_ - went to Taylor Swift's _1989_ *2017:* Should have been _Lemonade_ - went to Adele's _25_ Conclusion: Naming your album after a number = guaranteed AOTY
@@mangedumou511 Who tf are u to tell her trash. She makes good music. Listen to smile album. Oh wait ur taste would definitely be that trashy rap sonts just talking abt sex and money. Listen to that
@@mangedumou511 how is it average when she is doing more than most mainstream artists. She can sing really really really really really well , she writes her own songs , also produces her own stuff sometimes and writes big hits for other artists as well
Okay so Taylor definitely deserved AOTY both time. Fearless is one of the most influential country albums of all time and it brought country back to the younger generation and is most awarded country album of all time. 1989 is 2nd best album of this decade. It’s so iconic and one of the most successful pop albums of all time. Again, the most awarded pop album of all time. Folklore def deserves nom as well. It’s a masterpiece and honestly better then any nominated album.
Ru honestly challenged? To pimp a butterfly by Kendrick Lamar is one of the best albums of all time. The message from that album and the atmosphere deserved the win. Sure 1989 is a good pop album but it can’t even touch TPAB. Same w fearless, sure it’s a good album but Kanye with my beautiful dark twisted fantasy was a better album. Sure fearless was iconic but most of these albums that didn’t win are iconic and lost to albums that shouldn’t have been nominated
@@gavincaruso4774 fearless literally changed how country album is perceived, and the fact that it changed the genre to a higher regard, with just her 2ne album is something to be given credit, also no one really knew who would win between tpab and 1989, they were both critically acclaimed, and to this day 1989 is still called "pop perfection" by critics and still has the highest awarded album for Pop up until now, not even Billie, Ariana or the other pop girls cleared that record for most awards
@@tristianybanez5972 u can look it up, to pimp a butterfly is the highest rated rap album of all time and one of the highest of all time in any genre, I’m not saying 1989 is bad, it’s a good album but it just can’t compare to how good tpab is, it gave Kendrick 11 noms that year, only 1 shy of the most ever given in one year behind MJ
@@gavincaruso4774 same 1989 lol, 1989 has the highest awards out of all the pop albums that has been released up till now no one even scratched the amount of awards that it garnered, that's why she was given the nickname of Pop titan
Jacob Collier is a great artist, he made a modulation to a microtonal keyin that album, is something never seen before. The djesse vol.III nomination was something awesome for the jazz culture
The fact that Born to Die (2012) by Lana del Rey wasn't nominated is a disgrace, she paved the way for Indie/folk baroque pop to become mainstream, her art has been replicated and printed in praised albums such as Folklore, Melodrama, WWAFAWDWG. Lana was Snubbed. HEAVILY SO and is continued to be stripped and minimized from her own legacy. This woman doesn't have a single grammy. Lizzo already has 3. There is something wrong there.
there's a video that compares 1989 to born to die and they share some similarities. some people say 1989 is a pop version of born to die and I think they're not wrong.
Facts, then the queen of Alt drops NFR and gets completely ignored so some overrated 17 year old wins 5 awards? Billie makes good music and all, but nowhere CLOSE to 5 grammys good
@@titihamilton9247 I mean it is not bad, but not worth winning best rap album. And selling well in these days isn't a guarantee of being good. Look at Bad Bunny.
Artists who got snubbed and why: Ariana Grande: Ariana should’ve gotten Best Pop Vocal Album, but Billie took that award home. (Of course, not implying that Billie’s album wasn’t good, in fact, I’ve been a fan of her since 2017). Even in Billie’s speech, she said that she thought Ariana deserved it. All three singles from Thank U, Next took up the top 3 spots on the Billboard Hot 100. Melanie Martinez: Melanie made a film to go to with her long awaited sophomore album, K-12. She even released a deluxe version and went on the K-12 Tour. Melanie worked on this album and film for four years straight, yet she wasn’t even nominated for a Grammy. Mac Miller: After Mac’s tragic passing, his album was nominated for a Grammy. The Recording Academy flew Mac’s parents out to the Grammy’s, and his mother had a suit made. There wasn’t even a tribute to him and he did not win a Grammy. Instead, the Grammy went to Cardi B. I’m tired and I can’t think of more, so reply with more :)
Idk how Billie won Record Of The Year against Dua Lipa. Don’t Start Now was a record that was played constantly throughout 2020, it peaked at 2 on the charts and has been on the charts for over a year, compared to everything I wanted that peaked at 3 and has been on the charts for half the time that Don’t Start Now has been. That one was really shocking to me.
@@alfino4423 It was already confirmed at the previous grammys that Billie is an industry plant. Seems organic and genuine on the outside, but has people working for her on the inside to get her those awards.
teenage dream was not a forgettable and mediocre album, it was an amazing one that was iconic and started a cultural reset on pop culture. Banger after banger, honestly... Edit: hate to be that person but thanks I've never had a popular/top comment before
it hadde 5 number 1 song and she is the only female artist to have that many number 1s on one album. she s the second artist over all ( micheal jackson was the first with BAD) .
yeah.. it reset pop culture cause it killed that whole pink, bubbly pop genre. it was fire, but one that needed to be doused and put out. like sure it was a commercial success, but it just wasn’t that good. anyway
The Grammys have never been fair, the notion that it went downhill started because now we have access to a lot more albums, critic ratings, sales and public opinions, it's not worse now, the internet just made their flawed and rigged system apparent.
I don't know if it's "rigged" but the system is VERY simple. Friends vote (and nominate friends) so those with more firneds get more votes. Now I have heard of people paying for noms or paying for other people not to get noms but that is mostly hearsay.
@@popoff7808 Not friends, but label co-workers. People not on the big labels don't even get nominated. Then it comes down to the biggest labels getting the most votes for their nominees.
@@dafunk1999 Kanye is one of the most awarded artist ever at the Grammys , he’s nominated this year even though he was literally urinating on a Grammy a few months ago
@@dafunk1999 It makes sense he says those things about the Grammy's when MBDTF, one of (if not) the best from the decade, didn't even get nominated for album of the year 😂
@@waxcrazy9098 lemonade was HUGE when it came out and still has cultural relevance to this day especially in the black community. It’s like top 10 in the best albums of the century. Now while I love 25 and it certainly broke records, Lemonade will continue to be relevant and a game changer and it stand the test of time better.
There was a lot of pressure on Adele to produce an amazing album, following 21's phenomenal success, and instead of cracking under thst pressure, she prevailed and made an album which proved to everyone that she can do anything. That's why I think she not only won, but deserved the grammy.
I’m sorry but lemonade is trash 💀💀💀 Beyoncé is the most overrated artist ever. The fact Lana del Rey, lord, the weeknd and nicki Minaj don’t have Grammys is enough said
This is still flawed though, underground/ less mainstream artists have less haters, consequently resulting in higher ranks. For example someone like Taylor swift or adele sell the most albums, meaning the public like it yet still get low rankings from the public, this is because of haters.
Kinda weird seeing you talk down on both 1989 and Teenage dream, I mean Katy tied Michael Jackson's record for number ones from a single album, and 1989 had 3 #1's, and has been on the Billboard Album chart for over 320 weeks.
Oh thank you ! I was thinking that the whole time and wanted someone to say it; that album era lasted two years, was a defining time in the 2010s and every single one of those 5 no. 1s is still recognisable and replayable today
1989 (along with a few other albums around that time, including Emotion and Heartthrob) created the 80s Pop resurgence that we’re still living in today. Like, there’s nothing mediocre about that, even if it’s far from Taylor’s best work
So? Endgame was the highest grossing movie of all time (now beaten again by Avatar), and you don’t see the Oscars given them a Best Picture award for it. It shouldn’t be about popularity. It should be about quality.
IKR Teenage Dream had 6 #1s (5 on standard edition, 1 on complete confection) and 8 Top 3s. 1989 had 3 #1s and 5 Top 10s. Whether critics or fans like them or not doesn't matter because they did well on the charts, proving their impact on music.
It's not even that the Grammys are a popularity contest. Half the time, they just pick some random album that is neither the most popular or the mot critically acclaimed. The most infuriating part is that they can't even bother to be consistent.
as a taylor swift fan, it's funny that he mentioned that 1989 was her "sellout" album. considering she has said publicly that she completely changed her entire style with the specific goal of getting that second aoty grammy. she was devastated that red didn't win, which obvi it's still one of her best to this day, so she committed to making the perfect pop album.
@@mikegonzalez503 she wanted the validation. watch the like 5 min clip from the documentary. In the first half of her career, she did what she thought people wanted her to do. she was a people pleaser and needed to be told she was doing a good job. she grew out of that, as many people do, and now makes the music she wants to make rather than the music she thinks people want. it makes sense, people do that kinda stuff all the time, it's just not on the international pop star level.
@@mikegonzalez503 oooh you're so cool and quirky you still hate taylor swift🙄 did you just stop at that line? bc I literally explained exactly what went down in said clip.
@@thatonefan_1371 But Grammys take into consideration both popularity and quality. I love his music but after hours is not my favorite album as well, but I am aware that my favorite albums, will never get nominated because they aren't popular, but The Weeknd's album was undoubtedly the most important album of 2020, and it is also very well criticized, it's insane, it doesn't make any sense.
@@DerickLucas-i6e fair point, but it’s not even like run the jewels are complete unknowns. they’ve got like 4 million monthly listeners, which sure isn’t a lot but it’s certainly enough to be considered.
the fact that 3 out of the 4 best nominations are Kendrick albums and he still didn’t win pisses me off so much it’s indescribable hopefully he wins this year idk if the album deserves it but he does
I think using Katy Perry’s Teenage Dream as a clickbait on the video cover, saying that it was an album that should’ve won the AOTY and in the video saying that “the others [that lost the award] could’ve been replaced” it’s not cool. Teenage Dream is a cultural reset for pop music and most people just see the album as a radio playable album, and does not see that the album has a meaning that is: the perfect love, that teenage dream it’s just a dream, as Katy sings on the very last track “It’s not like the movies”. And there is a second factor, that is: Critics does not like Katy Perry. Anyone can notice this digging throughout her discography. Critics say that she should change, be more mature, she did it. Then the same critics say that she needs to go back to her bubblegum pop, she did it. Then critics say that she can’t evolve and that she sounds more of the same. So, please, have a little respect to an amazing artist work.
@@FellDownTheCornHole yes. It has five #1 from same album whose title was with only mj. He got so many awards. But what katy won? Nothing? 0. No grammy till date. Can u believe. Everything is rigged sir. Dont believe on them.
Not for AOTY... But they nominated Mac Miller posthumously, invited his family and gave the award to someone else. They might've tried the same thing with Bowie
I love Adele for acknowledging that Lemonade deserved album of the Year. In my opinion, 25 was not her best project. Lemonade took many different genres and elements and blended them beautifully. The album itself tells a great story of not only cheating & heartbreak but of the issues we as Black people face. It was a cultural reset and it was snubbed HARD, but I’m glad to know critics acknowledged it’s greatness. Lemonade wasn’t album of the year, it was the album of the century!
Adele did not acknowledge lemonade should had won, she just said it was a monumental album that she loved, she is a big Beyoncé fan. It was logic that if Adele won the award she would had said something about Beyoncé’s album. It’s obvious, if an artist won an award where his favorite artist was nominated for too, that person wouldn’t believed it.
@@onepro1131 Girl she said literally said she didn't deserve the award but doesn't want to seem ungrateful but lemonade should've gotten it. Even broke the award in half to share with Beyoncé. shut up
lemonade is a good album but im so sick of this 'oh its black people issues so it should win argument' no, it should win becuase it was sonically and lyrically great, its not hard to right about oppression and writing about oppression does not make an album more or less deserving
Can I just say justice for Katy Perry’s Teenage Dream, it’s a great pop album and defined a period in early 2010s pop culture. It’s excellent in its own way. Edit: seeing a lot of people calling it an unimaginative pop album - I’m not saying it should have won AOTY, I’m just saying tracks from the album should have picked up SOMETHING in the genre categories. Plus Taylor Swift’s 1989 was an unimaginative Pop album with less chart hits and won AOTY over Kendrick Lamar ‘To Pimp a Butterfly’ which was one of the most celebrated albums of the decade and helped Kendrick win a Pulitzer - music snobs have all these explanations why TD deserved zero Grammys but can’t explain that?
@@CJ-wz7wz I usually hate to make the sales/popularity argument, but I do feel a bit guilty when you’re the only act since Michael Jackson to have 5 no.1 singles on a studio album and you receive ZERO Grammy love from the recording academy. Could’ve been worse though I guess, she could have got zero nominations like Abel.
@@Nissl61 What? Can we be objective here for a second? TD is iconic and fun, but is it great? No, it’s OK. The reason for that is: a) Lyrics are just not it... b) Production is not all that interesting. On the other hand you have amazing pop albums who TRIED. Future Nostalgia, Lemonade, Melodrama, TYN, NFR, WWGAWDWG? etc.
@@justsamoo3480 you literally just mentioned melodrama which was inspired by the song teenage dream from that album and future nostalgia which dua lipa said that she's inspired by katy so that alone proves the impact that this album had in pop culture period
@@Nissl61 look at it's accumulated critic reviews, not just rym and aoty, majority if not all of the critics agree that this was not katy's greatest body of work.
I don’t even really care about award shows but I really hope Folklore wins Album Of The Year. Taylor Swift honestly did so much for the music community this year.
Personally, I’m supporting Dua Lipa, as she is from England, as am I, so anyone who is from here i tend to support as it’s so hard for British artists to be recognised in America, but I can understand why Taylor Swift would win it, and I would be very happy if Taylor won it, but imo, I think that Dua Lipa deserves it, but good luck!
Personally i am supporting the weeknd as his album after hours is the reason i survived quarantine. But guess what he did not even get nominated. These are Scammys
@@sarthakjain1824 yeah that was the worst snub they’ve ever done, I haven’t listened to After Hours coz I don’t really enjoy they’re music, but I love Blinding Lights, that 100% should’ve been nominated for Song Of The Year
@@sarthakjain1824 yeah fam Abel was robbed man should have gotten album of the year as he even created a whole cinematic universe for it and still referenced with it live. XOTWOD!
if you're thinking about taylor swift's albums being forgotten you're wrong. her past albums in my country is still alive and well. taylor swift is the number 1 artist since 2009 and a decade later she's still the number 1 artist while all of her peers' careers behind her all declined.
Her albums are popular and remembered, But To Pimp A Butterfly, was a cultural reset, and the best album of the decade, do you really think 1989 is better?
You talked about user score and how a lot of the albums not nominated had higher ones, but consider that the albums put out by superstars have a lot more exposure than the relatively obscure ones which are only listened toby their fanbases, and thats why they have a higher score, while people (specially rival fandoms) might intentionally give bad reviews. Not to say that it's not good music, but in that regard at least things might not be so black and white.. Another thing I disagree on is 1989. I'm not a very huge taylor swift fan, and i've only recently gotten into music, but i remember when the album came out. I went to an all boys school, and half my class knew the lyrics to Blank Space. When i went to pick up my sister from her school once, i remember there was a huge group of girls singing that song, while no one had even heard of any of the others. I live in a country where english isn't the first language, and I'm from a relatively remote town where the music is even more ignored. Not to say the other albums weren't great, but if you take in the sheer impact of 1989, it easily washes the others out. All that said, the grammys are a scam and the weekend deserved better.
@@adityayellapragada1180 then what's the point in comparing these 2 albums when the video is clearly about which was more deserving of winning - the actual winner or the album over which it won (in this case 1989 & TBAP) since mbdtf and 1989 weren't released in the same year in no way mbdtf could lose to 1989 (it was a pretty solid album tho, totally worth the win)
Taylor’s 1989 was her most successful album with multiples number 1s which makes sense as to why it won album of the year plus style, wildest dreams and blank space are one of the best songs which turned out to be her singles and is a reasonable choice for her to win so for you to search “ Taylor swift sellout “ was dumb.
U really gonna say 1989 was better than to pimp a butterfly 💀. 1989 had songs filled with bland pop wasn’t inspiring at all. Even her latest work is way better than that. The album had catchy songs that would be good if u don’t wanna spend too much time thinking what the songs are saying.
@@luv_mark I don’t think it has to do with him being Kanye fan tbh. He is a more superior artist, in terms of production quality, new fearless experiments and wordplay is even better than her especially early in his career, even the theme of the album is so much more refreshing and original . Don’t get me wrong Taylor is prolly best mainstream pop artist out there maybe except Rihanna but most of these mainstream mediocre to begin with so it is a great feat achieved by Taylor however, it’s not monumental imo
I have and always will stand by the fact that NFR by Lana should've won AOTY. I am not discrediting Billie, I truly believed she deserved all of the other big awards she received that night, but for AOTY it should've went to Lana.
it's kinda annoying how people care more about whether their favorite artists get nominated or win instead of just listening to other artists' works to really see or consider if they really "suck" or "doesn't deserve to be nominated/to win" always good to remind that taste doesn't mean quality
At the end of the day the members aren’t gonna be objective, they’re gonna vote for who they want to win/who they like over who they think should actually be the winner. A lot of the voters are old white and male, Lemonade didn’t speak to them. 25 was a SAFE more comfortable choice for them. 😂 🙄
@@carolynbratton7827 objectively nothing mediocre about lemonade, there’s a critical consensus it was one of strongest albums of the decade by a female artist.
Chilombo is thoroughly deserving of it's nomination this year and I'm so glad to see Jhene get the nom. Also, if we're talking about albums that defined the time-period they were nominated in, then you shouldn't shade 'Teenage Dream'. One of the biggest pop juggernauts of the last decade. Featuring hit-after-hit. Most tracks were single worthy and featured iconic music videos and promo. A truly great campaign that most would agree deserved the grammy.
old asf but I don't think the guy said that in a negative way, just stating that for the Grammy's standards, those albums weren't clean and squeaky enough
i noticed that too it was so unessceary 🤞🏾 besides the Grammys aren't the Critics 2.0 and shouldn't be. it would get boring and predictable honestly i see the Grammys more as recommendations than a definitive anything that's why the whole thing has never really bothered me
The fact that we occasionally get a great nomination is proof that there are people who care in the mix, but for the most part it's the same as the Oscars, just a bunch of stuffy, old, rich people who don't know what's actually happening in the real world
I'd argue they know what's happening in the real world, hence the lukewarm picks. Most recording academy members only listen to whatever is playing on the radio. More than likely, they wait until they receive submissions, look though artists' names and pick out the ones they recognize. Then they appoint their nominees based on that. I really don't think it gets deeper than that. I'm only saying this because it's already known that the Film Academy does not actually watch every film submitted for consideration. Hell, this is the reason why Disney films always get nominated and win in the animated category. It's only the most recognizable that get a chance.
9:00 as a testament to how impactful they are, I hear Swifties and CRJ fans calling 1989 and emotion 'sisters' all the time. Really, this was an amazing era of music, and picking a winner is a nightmare
21 by adele deserved 100% lmao best selling album of the 21st century and is literally 17x platinum about to go 2x diamond. it was HUGE. get over it. she deserved it.
Exactly. It was only her second album and she was 18. Definitely not the massive household name like she is today. She didn’t win for being a giant Popstar, she was very new to the industry and still making a name for herself.
1989 was an amazing pop album. It still has implications today, and did (sonically) what it was meant to. However, does that mean Kendrick shouldn’t have won, probably not. I think it was complicated, nuanced, outlasting, and just over all an AMAZING album. The fact that it didn’t win speaks to how the Grammys operate (and how they seemingly have and will probably continue to do so). I just don’t think Taylor deserves all the hate for that. She won and the album was good. I just think the Grammys need to make some readjustments (especially after 2020) if the want to be a sustainable source of validation and recognition.
@@martasorangeberry I lived the 80s and can assure the sound was there back then before Taylor decided to do 1989. Also working with Max Martin was not leading the way. She chose him because he made huge hits that sounded like 80s throwback.
i think there are definitely inconsistencies in the data, as how good an album is, is subjective. i think alot of mainstream music recieves worse reviews simply due to it being more popular, and i think more obscure music ends up with higher ratings, as fans tend to be very engaged with the music, and critics love anything non-mainstream
She’s unbearably generic, she makes music for the average listener. Nothing she makes is historical or even pushes the agenda when it comes to creating music. Why listen to Swift when Lorde exist.
@@otoa_r again unbearably generic. You want alternative? Beach House is your favorite artist’s favorite artist. I could go as far as saying Clairo is better than Taylor in that alternative lane. I could list off many artist that make those albums look like child’s play. Taylor is a legend but she’s done nothing to push the boundaries of music.
@@Toddwhinehouse generic? tell me what your playlist are and if one of your songs objectifies women then you are the generic listener! You can't even appreciate importance of lyrics and you just rely on the beat and remixes which is sad cause most listeners today are mediocre.
@@kingsleyndegwa1568 bruh. It didn't define the year?? To Pimp A Butterfly is still known for its history and what it has done to the black community, and how much it has helped fight racism. Iconic is not just about popularity,it's also about impact. Even this year, People blasted "Alright" from The album in the Black Lives Matter movement. Also, Popularity is one of the factors for Grammy selection, Not the major factor. TPAB is miles better in quality.
Teenage Dream will be forever iconic and I am very surprised she is one of the lowest. It is all my opinion but its genuinely one of her best albums that she has ever made.
People were curious about why I didn't really acknowledge Jacob Collier, so here we go -- I think he's a genius + he's one of the most talented musicians in the world. He deserves every ounce of his success and so on...but that doesn't mean that I enjoy listening to his music. He loves to make these veeeery complex arrangements with really strange harmonies, and that's just not really for me. I would never say that he's a bad musician or anything. I went through a phase in college when I was obsessed with people like him, Snarky Puppy, Lettuce, etc. The more complicated, the better. But that's just not really what I'm into right now. To each their own. Hope everyone has a good weekend + stay safe 💖
Agreed. Everytime I listen to one of his projects more than once, they just feel more and more artificial and contrived
The katy perry slander...
@@portisheadthird3 facts...great video, but if his point was that the nominations should be defining albums of that period that you can't discredit Teenage Dream for that, one of the biggest pop albums of the decade. I understand it's not for everyone but don't think it's fair to discredit it as boring, generic pop when it had some of the decades biggest hits
ikr Jacob Collier is not for everyone, and that's why I was so surprised when he got nominated for AOTY, he's not mainstream enough I thought. Could be because of his bonds with MJ's producer Quincy Jones and jazz's massive legend Herbie Hancock
honestly for anyone who hasn't listened to the collier album (Djesse vol. 3) it's way more accessible than his previous albums, I can almost guarantee that you'll like at least 2-3 songs from it. the album has a pretty good amount of mainstream appeal with features like ty $, daniel caesar, tori kelly even rhapsody
Let’s not forget when they flew out Mac Miller’s parents in the middle of their grieving period, just to see their son lose to Cardi...
... B
lets also not forget when his parents said even if he lost, they rather cardi win then the rest of the nominees...
@B P fr fr
He still would have lost to Travis tho if cardi wasn’t nominated
@@jdmoose2519 ( remember these be mac miller fans travis scares em) he goes to hard for these lo fi chill peeps😂😂
The fact that Michael Jackson didn’t win any grammys for the album “Bad”
YES! this is literally the biggest snub ever! "Bad" is first album in history with 5 song that reached #1, stupid scammys!
It was crap
@@MrThedonhead smoking too much weed fam
Dirty Diana being in the album alone should've gotten him AOTY smh
@@dilrajsandhu1254 on god
The fact that Kendrick got snubbed 3 TIMES is insane
No queda duda de su potencial es un ganador.
I’ll die on the hill that Good kid Maad city is a top rap 5 album of all time. That album is a must listen imo.
@@thatblackguy-pj1hu without a doubt my favorite album from Kendrick
GKMC getting snubbed is the biggest fuck up in the music industry
@@thatblackguy-pj1hu imo Kendrick got 2 of the top five rap albums of all time
Igor is such a masterful album, I wish it got more recognition
bro it got nominated for a grammy it is very recognised
its fairly recognised but only a few songs are popular. some songs really need to be out there you know?
@@Jorge22066-e should've got nominated for album of the year, it's genre bending songs are immaculate, stunning, amazing, wonderful, literally everything good
igor is very recognized lol
@@bornmenu not really
The fact that Kendrick had 3 of the top 4 nominations for the decade and didn’t even win one is disgraceful
didn’t he beat hov with damn
@@kh0357 pretty sure they gave it to bruno mars
Who cares? It’s the Grammys. We need to stop giving them so much power
@@LegendaryMamba24 doesn’t change the fact that he deserved the award🤦🏾♀️
@@doodledoctor6087 of course he deserved it, but us complaining about it isn't gonna make the academy do anything different
The grammys were over when Prince didn't win album of the year with Purple Rain
Who won instead?
@@freetayk8593 "Can't Slow Down" by Lionel Richie won Album of the Year at the 1985 Grammy Awards. The nominees for Album of the Year at the 1985 Grammy Awards were "Can't Slow Down" by Lionel Richie, "She's So Unusual" by Cyndi Lauper, "Purple Rain" by Prince & The Revolution, "Born in the U.S.A." by Bruce Springsteen, and "Private Dancer" by Tina Turner.
Still remember that bs fuck the grammys
@@cristianserret4190 Who did you want to win Album of the Year at the 1985 Grammy Awards?
@@alvinugochukwu2329 that’s such a good group of albums though!
I died a little inside when I saw "Yummy" nominated for something
Edit: At least it didn't win lmao
same 😭
Same
Yummy is deserved
@@sonabano1851 you for real ?
how tf did they pick that over Blinding Lights
the fact that kendrick has never won album of the year is both crazy and depressing
WHAT. That's actually sad, even as a kinda fan of both, I've been getting into them, and I can tell they should have won their respective years.
he has now off Mr Morale
@@sem2422 no? mr morale won rap album of the year, not whole album of the year
@@Perrygawdyeah and fucking Harry styles won album of the year and had the nerve to say in his speech “this isn’t something that happens to people like me”
@@elliottowens8913 no way he said that thats insane
I think my favorite quote from the Weeknd is if everyone is singing your songs, the Grammy's don't matter.
That’s drake
That was drake
That's drake 3x
That was drake x5
That's drake x6
you know there's something wrong when "Yummy" gets nominated in the same category as "cardigan"
It’s somewhat jarring to go from the great lyrics as
“Yeah girl you got that yummy yum yummy yum”
To the absolute horrid ness of
“Marked me like a bloodstain. Tried to change the ending Peter losing Wendy”
Yes
Seriously.. one is a story telling song, and the other is yummy. Wtf
Exactly... you have one song that is an absolute masterpiece that reflects the idea of a woman being comparable to food and then you have cardigan.
@@prano_8112 I’m so sorry your Stan song lost
Kanye’s Dark Fantasy and Weeknd’s After Hours are the biggest snubs of the last 10 years for me
Ok
@@Thanosfromavengersballs KO
You forgot Mariah's daydream album
Yeah MBDTF is the album of the decade and it was completely snubbed
what about his new dawn FM?
The main thing to take away from this video is how snubbed Kendrick is. He’s one of if not the best lyricist, rapper, and album creator of all time and is constantly being snubbed. Such a shame. 😔
TPAB and DAMN won the best rap album at least, good kid maad city didn't ffs Macklemore... That wasn't fair. Same with the Cardi B - Travis incident in 2018
You heard of capital STEEZ?
Same for Cole
@@spooked2104 idc, Cole will always be overhated, he doesn't deserve the criticism he gets to be honest.. yea maybe he's not at Kendrick's level, but I heard people saying he's average and I doubt it, i don't think rappers like Young Thug, Future, or Lil Baby (just some random examples) can create a classic album. Imo 2014 Forest hills drive should be considered one and The Fall-Off might be the next. He's a natural and seeing people absolutely thrashing him makes me annoyed
@@RM-wp7df my man young thug and future are WAY better than jcole
but let's do not attack the artist who is winning cuz it's not his/her/their fault.
@@ujerry_ i don't listen to her but IT'S NOT HER FAULT(.)
@@ujerry_ i was hating Billie for wining over Lana del rey's album NFR but now idc cuz it is grammys fault.
@@inactive515 oh i didn't know !!!! but it make sense
Yep, critizising the Academy and attacking the artists are 2 different things. It's not like the artists themselves choose who wins. That whole "hating on the recognizable face instead of pointing out the flaws in the establishment" isn't healthy and doesn't work.
@@ujerry_ Dude, Niki and Cardi B aren't in competition. Musicians can coexist. If your only argument to hate on Cardi is "Niki is better", congrats you don't hate Cardi, you just like Niki better.
You can dislike Cardi, I'm not saying you can't and I'm not saying she deserved that Grammy. I'm just saying that hating on something because you love something else more is stupid. If you can only listen to one person's music because everyone else is trying to "steal their spot", I pity you.
They sucked when they decided to nominate Yummy instead Blinding Lights, why?
Yummy is actual garbage
the grammys are on payroll
Who actually listens to yummy I swear 😭
Also over rare
Think thats bad, just remember see u again by wiz khalifa was nominated in 2015 but it didnt win 😡
The fact MBDTF didn’t even get nominated in 2010 was fricking astonishing in a bad way
that's what I'm saying
probably because it was released late 2010 while the grammys are held in the first few months of the year , so it shouldve been nominated for the 2011 grammys
2012 it was nominated; it was a late 2010 album.
Well because it's a 6/10, I guess
@@victariongraufreud725 def a 10/10 but wtv
808s literally changed the entire music game, not just for rap. How tf was it not nominated??
Bc at the time, It was very mixed reviewed.
Because he went on stage and told Taylor Swift the truth. That's literally why he didn't get nominated.
And it's also the reason she most likely won.
@@Spiqaro True that was the same year. He wasn't wrong either that Beyonce video should have won.
cause we didnt know what it would do to hip hop at the time, and new/different sounds isnt welcoming to most people, like yeezus for example
Too ahead of it’s time
Mac Miller is a huge snub, feel like so many people don’t realize how special and great circles is
Grammies are participation trophies now
Our boy mac doesn’t deserve a participation trophy. Mac’s fanbase is a tight knit family
@Michael Jordan depends his music and style varies from album to album. Froom boombap rap all the way to a jazzy type of sound. Id say a solid 9/10
@Michael Jordan I never cared about Mac until my boo started playing him a lot, I don’t really like rap/hip hop but is solid af, emotions and lyrics are raw
It wouldnt be recognized if he was alive.
Teenage Dream might not have a high critic score due to biased critics, but that album was iconic and impactful in shaping 2010s decade’s pop music, GOOD pop music.
It's iconic, so a nom is ok for me. But, definitely the weaker nominee imo
It's not biased it was a bad album. It just had huge commercial impact
@@Gameworks1407 I mean that's your opinion, but it really did shaped pop music of the 2010s
@@slurples149 who did it affect? It literally marked the death of bubblegum pop
Pretty sure she got 4 consecutive #1 hits too, first to do it since Michael Jackson, if I’m correct, also 5 in top 10, makes sense that it’s in there
The problem of the grammys is that they will stay relevant if people keep giving them the relevance. Like, they have lost their prestige, but in a good or bad way, we keep talking and caring about them
cause the title is considered to be the highest award body for music kinda like oscars for films
tho i agree, it's really confusing to pit art against one another especially when its subjective. guess we just have the obligation to fight for what we think a piece of art deserve for us
Unlike movies, music is hard to grasp. Someone who likes blockbusters like Avengers would find it easier to like Driving Miss Daisy than someone who likes pop music to like an experimental album, so if every nominated album are indie and experimental or alternative, fans would feel disconnected. As an alternative fan I feel that Grammys should serve fan favorites to a certain degree for this reason and also that the pop industry needs their fun too. It's not too easy to make a catchy hit. But the problem is the Grammys are carrying it too far.
@@cherrynado I hear you. I do feel that Grammys should be relevant (in response to the original commenter's statement). But personally I do know that people would get excited and flock to a UA-cam video if the artist gets nominated or wins a Grammy and they would comment on how they feel about the winner. There are people who take Grammys seriously or if not, at least as a source to know which music they should listen to. Another thing I thought about is how does one become an academy member? If it's about topping the charts then more pop artists will be academy voters and would lean on the music they're familiar with. Also artists don't listen to music like critics do. They have to write and record their own music, so I think they don't invest as much time and energy as critics in listening to albums.
Oscars are far better than grammys they get some unnecessary hate not saying they doesn't suck but many of the best picture winners are actually good and is arguably the best of their years like The Godfather, Schindler List, Parasite, Moonlight all movies are the best movies in their respective years
And the Oscars snubs are obvious and no one in the earth agree with the decisions and are hated universally by everyone like Crash, Shakespeare in love winning best picture
Only some rare albums that won album of the year are actually classic and best of the year but most of the winners are forgettable
to be fair teenage dream had some of the biggest pop hits of the 2010's so I wouldn't call it forgettable
As a whole album it’s forgettable, a lot of people forget that the point of an album is to listen to it in full not pick and choose your fave songs and discard the rest.
@@Prodbyjah464 true!
No I agree CALIFORNIA GIRLS was everywhere so sorry she did deserve that she literally had cupcakes and party city wigs in a chokehold
The legitimacy of the Grammy died when Yummy was nominated before The Weeknd’s anything
Honestly, Weeknd needs to work on his range. He's very statically higher pitch. Little vibrato. I know he's famous. But there hasn't been good singers in awhile. He's a big fish in a small pool.
@@ELFanatic his 70 million monthly spotify streams would like to disagree
@@prototyping5603 how does the number of listeners he has have anything to do with his limited vocal delivery
@@mrb-btw it means people like his music, and when people like his music, it usually means it's good
@@prototyping5603 oh ok so it's completely unrelated, got it
Critics aside, i think Teenage Dream deserved thr AOTY nomination. Looking back now, i realized how massive and iconic that album was. Hit after hit
facts
@@Lorenzo-yr2qe Only 4 songs on Teenage Dream weren't singles, and those songs are pretty good.
@@Lorenzo-yr2qe drugs and sex are dark topics? lmao
LOL as if.
Teenage dream is the definiton of POP music, It inspired many pop artists too, if ET is released this year it woul still go No1 and Fireworks is a timeless song. not to mention the amazing acoustic version of the one that got away and all the other bangers in that Album.
I think we r all rooting for Flokore and Future Nostalgia, aren't we.
Edit: YASSSSSSSS BITCHES WE WOOOOOONNNNNN.
hollywoods bleeding AOTY
yeah, since after hours got snubbed, im rooting for dua lipa.
@@user-ru8yy1ez9n WHAT THE HECK NO DKJDKD
ya, one of them must win.
Folklore aoty manifesting 😩👆👆
I think popularity should’ve been added as a factor to the graphing. An album can have good total scores but only reviewed 10 times while another album can have decent scores while reviewed 1,000 times just to simplify an example. I believe popularly volume amongst people matters just as much as whether or not they like the album
no please no because whatever 13-17 girls listen to will win that year ALWAYS
@@longstachkaido240 i guess he should have checked how often an album was rated and thats what the comment meant
100%. Your comment should be way higher. Came here to say this. A lady gaga album have been reviewed way more than a more niche album. Number of reviews will affect the score
Thats exactly what i was thinking. A popular/trendy artist album generally tends to have a LOT of negative reviews just because that people doesn't like the artist and wants to troll around and that mixes the final score. So yeah, popularity is a big big fact
@@longstachkaido240 yes ofc it's always the female minors fault, because how could a "hormone-driven" female ever not be stupid and dumb. Only I, a formidable old manly Male man know what's best for music.
I don’t understand what searching “Taylor Swift sellout” has to do with anything. That album was the biggest of her career with multiple #1’s. Even if some people felt that way it certainly wasn’t the overwhelming narrative.
Exactly, I thought that comment didn’t add anything to the video, and it really showed some bias views.
Also how did she sellout with 1989? She was signed to a country label and had to fight tooth and nail to be allowed to make a pop album. And while the songs on 1989 maybe don't sound that special nowadays, they were quite different to the songs being played on mainstream radio back then.
@@allisonreilly8081 the dude likes taylor swift whats the biad haha
@@ahhhhyes That wasn’t really a compliment towards taylor swift. It seemed more of a dig towards her and the album. Saying she was a sellout for making 1989 doesn’t mean he likes Taylor Swift.
@@allisonreilly8081 i didnt say he liked that album i said he likes taylor so how could he have bias against her
honestly "igor" is the best album i have ever listened to... it shouldve won. its a piece of art. im glad billie eilish won though, it's also a good album and it showcases a different kind of sound. im just kinda disappointed how the academy picked her to win like 5 categories. im not saying she didn't deserve them, im just saying how there were better picks.
What do you of CMIYGL?
10/10 forsure
@@jackfinnian2064 11/10
@@jackfinnian2064 11/10
yah i agree
unpopular opinion: katy perry's teenage dream was good. i don't understand the hate it recieved in this video, alfo :(
and that's the thing
everyone is gonna have a different idea of what they think "good" is
awards show in general really shouldn't be taken seriously
it's all just what a group of people think
even critics aren't the be all and end all to whether music is good or not
I'm gonna pretend he didn't slander teenage dream because it IS THEE standard for modern pop music in the last decade.
omg ikr?!?!??!😭 Katy hasn't even won one Grammy like..
Same for me, I think The one that got away, Last Friday Night, ET and others are pop perfection. Same for Doo Whops and Hooligans
it is katy perry's "forever your girl -paula abdul" era and she milked this album to the last drop
I think there's 3 criteria for AOTY
-Fan love
-Critical acclaim
-Commercial success
I feel like nominees have to have at least 2
BUT Lady Gaga have all that Quality, Her Album The Fame, The Monster and Born This Way but I understand her album BTW was lose to Adele
@@patrickcody5319 adele had all of it too
@@joannaj.2787 YES I Understand Adele deserve to win Album of the Year 21 and Born This Way just 1st Runner Up
But I'm really rotting her to Win The Fame and The Fame Monster
Teenage Dream had the popularity and commercial success. 💔
The fame monster had all 3 of those qualities
Honestly, I do the same thing with anything I like.
Movie or artist wins at the Grammys or Oscars: Wow what an honor to be recognized as the cultural achievement it is.
Movie or artist loses at the Grammys or Oscars: Why do we even have award shows? They are so out of touch with what people actually like
That being said RTJ4 deserved a nomination
Yes! At the very least it deserved Best Rap Album. The fact that it didn't get any nominations is a travesty with how fantastic it is.
@@RacingWorldTV202 since kendrick got a pullitzer before a grammy i think that rap should get out of the grammy or smthg they're more often discrediting the culture than not
Edit : remember the pullitzer is basically litterature's nobel
the oscars tend to have good picks though? Everybody agrees on a few misses they have but for the most part they get it correct year after year for almost a century. For the grammys it’s quite the opposite.
Saying Taylor Swift won in 2010 just because she was a "pop star" isn't true. First of all, she did country. And second, literally no one knew who she was before Fearless, that was her breakthrough album. She deserved AOTY.
That album is like the biggest album in country history and I think it was lot more indluential than people want to give credit.
It opened country music to younger generations and a lot of people who were not from US.
Taylor is literally the face of you young country.
All the young artists like kacey and kelsea are compared to her.
@@richasingh9062 I completely agree!
Pop is short for popular. So it has two meanings: a) the genre b) popular music. Taylor definitely fits b definition, even in 2010.
yass
@@richasingh9062 i know Taylor beacause of Love Story and You Belong With Me when i was in elementary school, so yeahh. #indonesian
The weeknd wouldve have won every award if they accepted his submissions
Fax he literally made the perfect album to sweep at the Grammys, fans like it and critics like as well
Beauty behind the maddnes 2015 was literally the best album didn’t win same with after hours. Feel like they targeting The Weeknd because he’s just too good
@@nightblueblue8563 bruh starboy was a masterpiece too
Aren't the people who choose are usually white middleaged people
Honestly yeah.
I was absolutely ecstatic when Random Access Memories won. By far one of my favorite albums musically of all time. The production was nails through and through and the percussion was flawless.
I'm rooting for folklore or future nostalgia to win
I hope Future Nostalgia or Hollywood's Bleeding. No great nominations this year, but those two, for me, had at least 4 or 5 really enjoyable tracks and tried something new for the creator.
@@BW2OFFICIAL folklore also "tried something new for the creator", Taylor switched to a whole new genre!!
@@ft594 🤣 Bro, she'll probably win just cause Taylor Swift. She literally wins half the rewards even if she didn't even release anything in that year.🤨
Ion fw taylor
@@ranavalona5358 Same bro.
Folklore is an amazing album. I can listen to it over and over again, and each time, the story changes. It’s the beauty of storytelling woven into songs.
I personally think that Born this Way and Beyoncé were amazing albums that deserved their nominations. At the time of their releases, they were both considered the magnum opus of the two artists respective careers. They both brought something new and innovative to pop. Lady Gaga blended themes of acceptance, love, being true to who you are with electronic, metal, and even jazz sounds while Beyoncé created an album about the liberation of a woman that was beautifully sonic with its r&b, pop, electro pop, and a little bit of soul. Plus they both made wonderful visuals for the albums. Lady Gaga was creating weird fantasy short films and Beyoncé made a whole visual album. In my opinion, just because something is mainstream doesn’t mean it lacks artistry, thought, or value. Then again, this is just my opinion.
I agree. I feel like a lot of people think mainstream equals bad & that’s not the case all the time
I agree
totally mainstream ≠ equal bad. TALENT DOES. and gaga and beyoncé and i think even people like taylor lately- have shown they have it.
Just bc lady Gaga SND Beyoncé are “mainstream” doesn’t make them undeserving 😭 I love ye but this dude is lowk a crybaby. Beyoncé, Gaga, AND Kanye changed the mainstream game together that year. KANYE is an open fan of both of them. The main reason Kanye is disliked by award shows is bc the Taylor situation which he interrupted to praise BEYONCE
Folklore was so deserving , and I am so happy that evermore is nominated cuz it deserves winning so much
Totally bestie
mid
evermore is so mid bro
also the only reason it got nominated was bc the deluxe version came out during the timeframe
@@johnproulx1355 whatever u say...there will be a fewer albums with the songwriting that Evermore has..and not every artist should produce tiktok songs. There are good amount of artists that produce good music too. If u think that it's mediocre, then go listen to the tiktok artists. 😊
He said some of those were mediocre forgettable albums...but those are stuck to my head ever since I heard them 7-8 years ago and still sound so good to me
evermore pfp ;)
compared to some of the other albums of that time, they are mediocre.
Nobody remembers the albums he thought were snubbed though. THEY were the ones who didn't have longevity
@@blehh010 Nah I think the majority of people do remember those albums
@@deliberation6022 yes all 20 people who bought those albums
Teenage dream was great in my opinion. It defined the 2010s pop. The gays will raid your house
As we should, TD is the new standard for pop music
yes just as forever your girl by paula abdul in the 80s
Hello,this is Grammy ,not those cheapskate American music awards of billboard awards,reductive
@@tanyeauchon9110 Scammys*
I agree TD was really good.
I just wanna remind everyone that Michael Jackson got nothing for the BAD album. Granted he got a ton for Thriller as he should, but BAD is also one of the greatest albums ever. Grammys are trash
At the time it was the second greatest best selling album of all time and yet they gave him nothing
The Grammy's is rigged. I don't even want to THINK about the Grammy's anymore.
The album that won that year U2’s Joshua Tree was a good win tbh and I have no problems it winning over BAD , to me its on the same on level as bad. Joshua Tree sold 25 million copies and alot of ppl see it as one of the best albums of all time and U2’s magnum opus. alot ppl weren’t really mad at BAD losing to joshua tree given how influential joshua tree was, heck Joshua tree was even added to the library of congress something bad didnt do Even at that time it won the grammys alot of ppl weren’t mad that it won over bad because many called Joshua Tree as one of the if not the best album of the year in 1987, rolling stone even ranked it number one.
and BAD won best Engineered Recording that year so I dont know why you said he got nothing out of it.
@@JoseGarcia-ki3vk He didn’t get that grammy, that grammy was for the producers.
to pimp a butterfly is literally amazing how did it not win
it aint mainstream enough for the grammys sadly
@@radikat.
Non mainstream albums still win AOTY 🤷🤷
Jon Baptist did
@@Alfred-ut4rnit’s racism, Black people never win AOTY because they’re black
Because 1989 was better
@@ninzgts313 Stupid swiftie
The Fame by Gaga an okay album? The Fame revolutionized pop music and music from 2008 until 2012 altogether bringing dance music to the forefront and dance music basically was the thing those 5 years and it was all thanks to Gaga and this album.
period
No
The Fame literally changed the game for pop music not only in terms of the music itself, but also how to become an artist/promote your stuff.
lady gaga really did that purr
It is good but there are much better options
Some of the high rated albums got high rated because they weren't listened by a lot of people, I think you missed out the popularity factor in the nomination.
Why does it matter if passive listeners / fans of easy-listening mediocrity gave a shot to ambitious, multilayered masterpieces like TPAB if they wouldn't even give a shit for what's going on on it?
TRUE, and a lot of popular albums get purposely rated low by users because they hate mainstream. So...
Yes but we should also remember that the more popular albums have a larger band of “users” giving a rating so it makes sense that the average will get pulled into a medium range
As opposed to a less popular album that has a super great fan base who adored it and rated it as such
i think they should’ve taken in consideration the billboard 200 data as a third factor. non-popular albuns got a lot of 10s while famous albuns got mixed and very extreme reviews since the fans and haters are included.
@@Miguel-fm2dl agreed that’s a good place to get the numbers! you gotta do something like that or the data is just not complex enough! But complicated data analysis is not as easy for a good UA-cam video !
Even if the superstar position is what gets Gaga nominated, I am not going to pretend that she’s mediocre. She changed the face of pop music in the early 2010s and I stand by that a decade later.
Plus her impact is more than that. Her music literally saved millions of lifes, especially younger members of the LGBT community at the time when teen LBGTQ suicide rate is at all-time high.
Yeah I couldn't take him seriously after he said Gaga was mediocre, at this point it's clear he just hates pop music
@@thesilenttreatment6837 please shush we’re talking about music and she wasn’t even that influential
@@cgo5161 Imagine having so much confidence yet such a stupid opinion.
Also, you couldn’t call her a superstar on her first album!
Takes time.
5:54, that “nope” transition is golden! Definitely the best song on the album imo.
I’m rooting for folklore and women in music pt. 3 for aoty
Just listened to women in music pt 3 thanks to your comment, thanks.
or future nostalgia
taylor is slowly becoming the Meryl Streep of the Grammys. Giving her a win is probably the worst thing the recording academy could do. Not because the album doesn't deserve it (I'd love for it to win), but the general public just doesn't like TS, so backlash would be inevitable.
I do hope WIMPIII takes the award. That album deserves so much more recognition than it got. Virtually, nobody on twitter, FB, or Instagram knew who HAIM was when they revealed the aoty nominees.
@@franks8462 If I could decide who wins, I would 100% pick WIMP3. Incredible album. But, haim lacks the household name that Taylor has. While I want Haim to win, I know they won’t so I’d rather Taylor or Dua to win out of the rest of the nominees.
@@franks8462 I really liked their album. But Future Nostalgia for meeeeeeeee
Never forget Lorde’s *Melodrama* 😔✌🏼
@JoJoKiwiPlease stop bringing race into topics that don't even evolve them, like seriously it was just a fan comment about lorde.
@@eshum3485 what was the original comment lmao
Stfu no one even knows lorde
@@darkfantasy5411 lorde is scandinavian rock band, stfu everybody knows ‘em you peace of pie
@@darkfantasy5411 LMAO 😂
I feel like you have something against Taylor Swift and Beyoncé, they’re albums were amazing and meaningful. Still like the channel though
I don't think he has something against them. He just basically explained through graphs that those who have higher average of critics and audience score end up losing and not even getting nominated when he thinks album of the year should be about fans and critics scoring/ review. The data don't even comes from him but a certain site. I honestly get his point, you can have the best album but if you're not this famous star you won't even get noticed. Anyway that's how award shows works, more about politics, fame and publicity stunts.
They are talented and have good albumz but definitely shouldnt have gotten so many grammies. I feel like every year they nominate Beyonce just to break her biggest record, which is getting grammys
@@tuasee3033 i honestly don't get what you're trying to say... my only point here is that alfo media is not hating on Taylor and beyonce. Hes just presenting on what he thinks how the grammy should work since great albums are overlooked for nomination.
@@machere3623 oh sorry not u, the comment above mine. Sorry for my mistake. Have a good day❤
@@ezrealxshsh5460 She gets alot of small grammys. And few significant ones. Thats why she has so many grammys. And also the fact that the artists against Beyonce for those small grammys have no chance
Most infamous Albums of the Year
*2012:* Should have been _My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy_ - went to Adele's _21_
*2016:* Should have been _To Pimp a Butterfly_ - went to Taylor Swift's _1989_
*2017:* Should have been _Lemonade_ - went to Adele's _25_
Conclusion: Naming your album after a number = guaranteed AOTY
Nah 1989 deserved that w
@@derrick1153Not over To Pimp A Butterfly
@@Soulkinthehuman yes over pimp a butterfly
@@derrick1153 How is it better?
@@Soulkinthehuman bc of the production and the lryics
Katy Perry never won a grammy,and people still find a way to say that she doesn't even deserve a nomination....wtf
cause katy perry is average
Cause katy Perry is a musical trash
@@mangedumou511 Who tf are u to tell her trash. She makes good music. Listen to smile album. Oh wait ur taste would definitely be that trashy rap sonts just talking abt sex and money. Listen to that
@@takshdoshi3303 yes because tpap is trashy rap about sex and money...
@@mangedumou511 how is it average when she is doing more than most mainstream artists. She can sing really really really really really well , she writes her own songs , also produces her own stuff sometimes and writes big hits for other artists as well
Okay so Taylor definitely deserved AOTY both time. Fearless is one of the most influential country albums of all time and it brought country back to the younger generation and is most awarded country album of all time. 1989 is 2nd best album of this decade. It’s so iconic and one of the most successful pop albums of all time. Again, the most awarded pop album of all time. Folklore def deserves nom as well. It’s a masterpiece and honestly better then any nominated album.
Ru honestly challenged? To pimp a butterfly by Kendrick Lamar is one of the best albums of all time. The message from that album and the atmosphere deserved the win. Sure 1989 is a good pop album but it can’t even touch TPAB. Same w fearless, sure it’s a good album but Kanye with my beautiful dark twisted fantasy was a better album. Sure fearless was iconic but most of these albums that didn’t win are iconic and lost to albums that shouldn’t have been nominated
@@gavincaruso4774 fearless literally changed how country album is perceived, and the fact that it changed the genre to a higher regard, with just her 2ne album is something to be given credit, also no one really knew who would win between tpab and 1989, they were both critically acclaimed, and to this day 1989 is still called "pop perfection" by critics and still has the highest awarded album for Pop up until now, not even Billie, Ariana or the other pop girls cleared that record for most awards
@@tristianybanez5972 fearless is not a country album, it is pop-yee haa album, Love Story and YBTM are pop with a little base of country(instrumental)
@@tristianybanez5972 u can look it up, to pimp a butterfly is the highest rated rap album of all time and one of the highest of all time in any genre, I’m not saying 1989 is bad, it’s a good album but it just can’t compare to how good tpab is, it gave Kendrick 11 noms that year, only 1 shy of the most ever given in one year behind MJ
@@gavincaruso4774 same 1989 lol, 1989 has the highest awards out of all the pop albums that has been released up till now no one even scratched the amount of awards that it garnered, that's why she was given the nickname of Pop titan
I'm still mad Melodrama didn't won album of the year.
yeah, it was just a flawless album
For me I think ctrl should have won
Yes, Melodrama is phenomenal!
But Brightest Blue by Ellie Goulding also deserved a Grammy, especially FLUX.
Jacob Collier is a great artist, he made a modulation to a microtonal keyin that album, is something never seen before. The djesse vol.III nomination was something awesome for the jazz culture
Yes, ele merecia o AOTY
The fact that Born to Die (2012) by Lana del Rey wasn't nominated is a disgrace, she paved the way for Indie/folk baroque pop to become mainstream, her art has been replicated and printed in praised albums such as Folklore, Melodrama, WWAFAWDWG. Lana was Snubbed. HEAVILY SO and is continued to be stripped and minimized from her own legacy. This woman doesn't have a single grammy. Lizzo already has 3. There is something wrong there.
I feel like Born to die is ahead of it’s time
there's a video that compares 1989 to born to die and they share some similarities. some people say 1989 is a pop version of born to die and I think they're not wrong.
Straight up facts
Facts, then the queen of Alt drops NFR and gets completely ignored so some overrated 17 year old wins 5 awards? Billie makes good music and all, but nowhere CLOSE to 5 grammys good
You had me until you mentioned Lizzo. They make 2 completely different types of music, dont drag her into this
Like when Cardi B won best rap album with Invasion of Privacy 🙄
Over astroworld too for that matter
@@sl4y8r76 over Astroworld, Daytona, Swimming, and Victory Lap😐
Actually Cardi b album sold well and had great criticism and of coursE I knew she was going win cause Grammys don’t give af about Nicki
@@titihamilton9247 I mean it is not bad, but not worth winning best rap album. And selling well in these days isn't a guarantee of being good. Look at Bad Bunny.
@@jangarcia1338 nah it’s a pretty bad album I’m not sure how it did those numbers
Artists who got snubbed and why:
Ariana Grande: Ariana should’ve gotten Best Pop Vocal Album, but Billie took that award home. (Of course, not implying that Billie’s album wasn’t good, in fact, I’ve been a fan of her since 2017). Even in Billie’s speech, she said that she thought Ariana deserved it. All three singles from Thank U, Next took up the top 3 spots on the Billboard Hot 100.
Melanie Martinez: Melanie made a film to go to with her long awaited sophomore album, K-12. She even released a deluxe version and went on the K-12 Tour. Melanie worked on this album and film for four years straight, yet she wasn’t even nominated for a Grammy.
Mac Miller: After Mac’s tragic passing, his album was nominated for a Grammy. The Recording Academy flew Mac’s parents out to the Grammy’s, and his mother had a suit made. There wasn’t even a tribute to him and he did not win a Grammy. Instead, the Grammy went to Cardi B.
I’m tired and I can’t think of more, so reply with more :)
Idk how Billie won Record Of The Year against Dua Lipa. Don’t Start Now was a record that was played constantly throughout 2020, it peaked at 2 on the charts and has been on the charts for over a year, compared to everything I wanted that peaked at 3 and has been on the charts for half the time that Don’t Start Now has been. That one was really shocking to me.
@@alfino4423 It was already confirmed at the previous grammys that Billie is an industry plant. Seems organic and genuine on the outside, but has people working for her on the inside to get her those awards.
@@eyecontrol4900 She even said that she was so embarrassed to beat Megan Thee Stallion for that award....
Melanie is overrated, her voice and production kinda sucks. But her visual is very cool, and i don´t think she submits her music to the grammy
@@alfino4423 fr...
teenage dream was not a forgettable and mediocre album, it was an amazing one that was iconic and started a cultural reset on pop culture. Banger after banger, honestly...
Edit: hate to be that person but thanks I've never had a popular/top comment before
yeah literally 😭😭
it hadde 5 number 1 song and she is the only female artist to have that many number 1s on one album. she s the second artist over all ( micheal jackson was the first with BAD) .
yeah.. it reset pop culture cause it killed that whole pink, bubbly pop genre. it was fire, but one that needed to be doused and put out. like sure it was a commercial success, but it just wasn’t that good. anyway
@@burnt.norton people don't like it because it is pure pop music
@@burnt.norton nope just admit it was good, it’s not cool to not like anything
The Grammys have never been fair, the notion that it went downhill started because now we have access to a lot more albums, critic ratings, sales and public opinions, it's not worse now, the internet just made their flawed and rigged system apparent.
The fact that Sheryl crow has multiple rock grammys and the fact that will Smith has 3 or 4 rap album grammys should tell you all you need to know
I don't know if it's "rigged" but the system is VERY simple. Friends vote (and nominate friends) so those with more firneds get more votes. Now I have heard of people paying for noms or paying for other people not to get noms but that is mostly hearsay.
@@popoff7808 Not friends, but label co-workers. People not on the big labels don't even get nominated. Then it comes down to the biggest labels getting the most votes for their nominees.
The fact my beautiful dark twisted fantasy didn’t get a nomination at the 2011 grammys is so dumb 😔
Not really, I thought people didn’t start giving that album its flowers until years later...or was that 808s & Heartbreak? 🤔
@@nameisamine yeah you're talking about 808's, mbdtf was an instant classic at the time
Really? Kanye has mocked the awards, stormed the stage and probably more. You really think he's going to win them over with his music.
@@dafunk1999 Kanye is one of the most awarded artist ever at the Grammys , he’s nominated this year even though he was literally urinating on a Grammy a few months ago
@@dafunk1999 It makes sense he says those things about the Grammy's when MBDTF, one of (if not) the best from the decade, didn't even get nominated for album of the year 😂
lemonade being snubbed still gets me so mad because the visual album + the songs + the poetry was 1000x better than 25.
25 broke records and there weren’t many hits on lemonade
@@waxcrazy9098 hits ≠ quality, still lemonade is in top 32 on the 500 best albums of all time by Rolling Stones and Adele herself said it
@@waxcrazy9098 lemonade was HUGE when it came out and still has cultural relevance to this day especially in the black community. It’s like top 10 in the best albums of the century. Now while I love 25 and it certainly broke records, Lemonade will continue to be relevant and a game changer and it stand the test of time better.
There was a lot of pressure on Adele to produce an amazing album, following 21's phenomenal success, and instead of cracking under thst pressure, she prevailed and made an album which proved to everyone that she can do anything. That's why I think she not only won, but deserved the grammy.
I’m sorry but lemonade is trash 💀💀💀 Beyoncé is the most overrated artist ever. The fact Lana del Rey, lord, the weeknd and nicki Minaj don’t have Grammys is enough said
This is still flawed though, underground/ less mainstream artists have less haters, consequently resulting in higher ranks. For example someone like Taylor swift or adele sell the most albums, meaning the public like it yet still get low rankings from the public, this is because of haters.
Exactly and Folklore not being in 9.0+ is mind boggling to me
@@Culereterno1899idk abt 9.0+…
@@getitjj I was exaggerating a bit tbh but she deserves an 8 for that fantastic story telling
@@Culereterno1899 i could be biased as to i dont like taylor or her music, but ill respect your opinion
@@getitjj Ofc music is subjective after all,You can't like/love everything there is
Have a great day ahead 💝
Kinda weird seeing you talk down on both 1989 and Teenage dream, I mean Katy tied Michael Jackson's record for number ones from a single album, and 1989 had 3 #1's, and has been on the Billboard Album chart for over 320 weeks.
Oh thank you ! I was thinking that the whole time and wanted someone to say it; that album era lasted two years, was a defining time in the 2010s and every single one of those 5 no. 1s is still recognisable and replayable today
@@errdyyy6263 and honestly that's where I'm divided. TPAB was definitely a moment and if it had won over 1989 I would've been okay with that
1989 (along with a few other albums around that time, including Emotion and Heartthrob) created the 80s Pop resurgence that we’re still living in today. Like, there’s nothing mediocre about that, even if it’s far from Taylor’s best work
So? Endgame was the highest grossing movie of all time (now beaten again by Avatar), and you don’t see the Oscars given them a Best Picture award for it. It shouldn’t be about popularity. It should be about quality.
@@raulruizdevelasco6215 but the award is not Best Album, it’s Album of the Year.
"If a man talks shit, then I owe him nothing." - Taylor Swift
LMAOAOA PERIOD
i dont regret it one bit cause he had it coming
cringe but ok
Folklore deserves
@@Raulisai not really but ok
1989 and Teenage Dream are THE pop albums of the 2010’s
People listened to 1989 for about two weeks and then went back to good music
🧢
@@jassimkhaleel9222 then which ones were?
IKR
Teenage Dream had 6 #1s (5 on standard edition, 1 on complete confection) and 8 Top 3s.
1989 had 3 #1s and 5 Top 10s.
Whether critics or fans like them or not doesn't matter because they did well on the charts, proving their impact on music.
@@manicmelancholic2049 EMOTION by Carly Rae Jepsen
Currents by Tame Impala
Plastic Beach by Gorillaz
the fact that ctrl wasn’t nominated for a grammy confused me it’s such a good album
well it is a shit record
It's not even that the Grammys are a popularity contest. Half the time, they just pick some random album that is neither the most popular or the mot critically acclaimed. The most infuriating part is that they can't even bother to be consistent.
as a taylor swift fan, it's funny that he mentioned that 1989 was her "sellout" album. considering she has said publicly that she completely changed her entire style with the specific goal of getting that second aoty grammy. she was devastated that red didn't win, which obvi it's still one of her best to this day, so she committed to making the perfect pop album.
Jeez this makes me dislike swift even more. She was that desperate for an award?
@@mikegonzalez503 she wanted the validation. watch the like 5 min clip from the documentary. In the first half of her career, she did what she thought people wanted her to do. she was a people pleaser and needed to be told she was doing a good job. she grew out of that, as many people do, and now makes the music she wants to make rather than the music she thinks people want. it makes sense, people do that kinda stuff all the time, it's just not on the international pop star level.
@@bethaniestauffer6609 i have zero interest in watching a documentary on her
@@mikegonzalez503 oooh you're so cool and quirky you still hate taylor swift🙄 did you just stop at that line? bc I literally explained exactly what went down in said clip.
@@bethaniestauffer6609 he's just a hater. He can stay pressed because taylor's albums are amazing and that's on period.
I’m still mad that the weekends album ‘after hours’ wasn’t nominated🤦🏾♂️
and the fact that after hours wasn’t even the worst snub-
@@thatonefan_1371 it was, it definitely was.
@@DerickLucas-i6e imo that’s more down to the name popularity. RTJ4 was a fantastic album, that edges after hours for me
@@thatonefan_1371 But Grammys take into consideration both popularity and quality. I love his music but after hours is not my favorite album as well, but I am aware that my favorite albums, will never get nominated because they aren't popular, but The Weeknd's album was undoubtedly the most important album of 2020, and it is also very well criticized, it's insane, it doesn't make any sense.
@@DerickLucas-i6e fair point, but it’s not even like run the jewels are complete unknowns. they’ve got like 4 million monthly listeners, which sure isn’t a lot but it’s certainly enough to be considered.
the fact that 3 out of the 4 best nominations are Kendrick albums and he still didn’t win pisses me off so much it’s indescribable hopefully he wins this year idk if the album deserves it but he does
I hope folklore wins. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Yes! It's gonna win!
@@ajsc11 I just don't want to put my hopes up too high 😔
@@SuYeolYam just pray for folklore to win every night just like what I do.
We must do the ritual
Same honestly
I actually want folklore to win
Happy now ❤
I think using Katy Perry’s Teenage Dream as a clickbait on the video cover, saying that it was an album that should’ve won the AOTY and in the video saying that “the others [that lost the award] could’ve been replaced” it’s not cool. Teenage Dream is a cultural reset for pop music and most people just see the album as a radio playable album, and does not see that the album has a meaning that is: the perfect love, that teenage dream it’s just a dream, as Katy sings on the very last track “It’s not like the movies”. And there is a second factor, that is: Critics does not like Katy Perry. Anyone can notice this digging throughout her discography. Critics say that she should change, be more mature, she did it. Then the same critics say that she needs to go back to her bubblegum pop, she did it. Then critics say that she can’t evolve and that she sounds more of the same. So, please, have a little respect to an amazing artist work.
Absolutely correct bro.
@@takshdoshi3303 sooo true!
And the church said amen ! lol
Teenage dream the album was pop perfection. No one has ever reached the level of POP PERFECTION Katy perry reaches with that album.
@@FellDownTheCornHole yes. It has five #1 from same album whose title was with only mj. He got so many awards. But what katy won? Nothing? 0. No grammy till date. Can u believe. Everything is rigged sir. Dont believe on them.
I have to disagree that “do wops and huligans” and “recovery” were the worst nominees because they made such a big impact
These guys didn't nominated Bowie's blackstar?wtf?
Jeez you'd think atleast his popularity helped him
Not for AOTY... But they nominated Mac Miller posthumously, invited his family and gave the award to someone else. They might've tried the same thing with Bowie
*nominate
@@ninanano but not for AOTY that was Best Rap Album
@@ninanano Bowie was not nominated for AOTY but he won in his cathegory
I love Adele for acknowledging that Lemonade deserved album of the Year. In my opinion, 25 was not her best project. Lemonade took many different genres and elements and blended them beautifully. The album itself tells a great story of not only cheating & heartbreak but of the issues we as Black people face. It was a cultural reset and it was snubbed HARD, but I’m glad to know critics acknowledged it’s greatness. Lemonade wasn’t album of the year, it was the album of the century!
Adele did not acknowledge lemonade should had won, she just said it was a monumental album that she loved, she is a big Beyoncé fan. It was logic that if Adele won the award she would had said something about Beyoncé’s album. It’s obvious, if an artist won an award where his favorite artist was nominated for too, that person wouldn’t believed it.
nah Lemonad was mid, people seem to overrate it bc it's queen b. also i wasn't a fan of 25.
@@onepro1131 Girl she said literally said she didn't deserve the award but doesn't want to seem ungrateful but lemonade should've gotten it. Even broke the award in half to share with Beyoncé. shut up
@@michiel1162 Y’all be saying anything the album was one of the greatest and it’s still being talked about to this day which says a lot
lemonade is a good album but im so sick of this 'oh its black people issues so it should win argument' no, it should win becuase it was sonically and lyrically great, its not hard to right about oppression and writing about oppression does not make an album more or less deserving
Can I just say justice for Katy Perry’s Teenage Dream, it’s a great pop album and defined a period in early 2010s pop culture. It’s excellent in its own way.
Edit: seeing a lot of people calling it an unimaginative pop album - I’m not saying it should have won AOTY, I’m just saying tracks from the album should have picked up SOMETHING in the genre categories. Plus Taylor Swift’s 1989 was an unimaginative Pop album with less chart hits and won AOTY over Kendrick Lamar ‘To Pimp a Butterfly’ which was one of the most celebrated albums of the decade and helped Kendrick win a Pulitzer - music snobs have all these explanations why TD deserved zero Grammys but can’t explain that?
Yeah, but look at it's critic and user scores, yikes.
@@CJ-wz7wz I usually hate to make the sales/popularity argument, but I do feel a bit guilty when you’re the only act since Michael Jackson to have 5 no.1 singles on a studio album and you receive ZERO Grammy love from the recording academy. Could’ve been worse though I guess, she could have got zero nominations like Abel.
@@Nissl61 What? Can we be objective here for a second? TD is iconic and fun, but is it great? No, it’s OK. The reason for that is: a) Lyrics are just not it... b) Production is not all that interesting.
On the other hand you have amazing pop albums who TRIED. Future Nostalgia, Lemonade, Melodrama, TYN, NFR, WWGAWDWG? etc.
@@justsamoo3480 you literally just mentioned melodrama which was inspired by the song teenage dream from that album and future nostalgia which dua lipa said that she's inspired by katy so that alone proves the impact that this album had in pop culture period
@@Nissl61 look at it's accumulated critic reviews, not just rym and aoty, majority if not all of the critics agree that this was not katy's greatest body of work.
1:25 of all the albums shown in that clip im so glad you acknowledged the masterpiece that was RTJ4 by run the jewels. Easily my favorite 2020 album
I don’t even really care about award shows but I really hope Folklore wins Album Of The Year. Taylor Swift honestly did so much for the music community this year.
Personally, I’m supporting Dua Lipa, as she is from England, as am I, so anyone who is from here i tend to support as it’s so hard for British artists to be recognised in America, but I can understand why Taylor Swift would win it, and I would be very happy if Taylor won it, but imo, I think that Dua Lipa deserves it, but good luck!
Personally i am supporting the weeknd as his album after hours is the reason i survived quarantine. But guess what he did not even get nominated. These are Scammys
@@sarthakjain1824 yeah that was the worst snub they’ve ever done, I haven’t listened to After Hours coz I don’t really enjoy they’re music, but I love Blinding Lights, that 100% should’ve been nominated for Song Of The Year
@@sarthakjain1824 yeah fam Abel was robbed man should have gotten album of the year as he even created a whole cinematic universe for it and still referenced with it live.
XOTWOD!
The MV for Save Your Tears is so savage. He throws a champ cup ahahahhhahaha
if you're thinking about taylor swift's albums being forgotten you're wrong. her past albums in my country is still alive and well. taylor swift is the number 1 artist since 2009 and a decade later she's still the number 1 artist while all of her peers' careers behind her all declined.
yes people always say she didn’t deserve aoty for 1989 but 1989 is such a good album
JUSTIN Bieber is KING 👑
@@zerkass4316 King of mediocre shit yup
Her albums are popular and remembered, But To Pimp A Butterfly, was a cultural reset, and the best album of the decade, do you really think 1989 is better?
@@zerkass4316 lmao
You talked about user score and how a lot of the albums not nominated had higher ones, but consider that the albums put out by superstars have a lot more exposure than the relatively obscure ones which are only listened toby their fanbases, and thats why they have a higher score, while people (specially rival fandoms) might intentionally give bad reviews. Not to say that it's not good music, but in that regard at least things might not be so black and white..
Another thing I disagree on is 1989. I'm not a very huge taylor swift fan, and i've only recently gotten into music, but i remember when the album came out. I went to an all boys school, and half my class knew the lyrics to Blank Space. When i went to pick up my sister from her school once, i remember there was a huge group of girls singing that song, while no one had even heard of any of the others. I live in a country where english isn't the first language, and I'm from a relatively remote town where the music is even more ignored. Not to say the other albums weren't great, but if you take in the sheer impact of 1989, it easily washes the others out.
All that said, the grammys are a scam and the weekend deserved better.
I agree with your points, but all the impact 1989 had was exceeded by MBDTF in every aspect
@@adityayellapragada1180 these two weren't even nominated in the same year... You're talking about to pimp a butterfly, right?
@@psy-i-i-duuck8952 No i was talking about taylor swifts 1989 against MBDTF
@@adityayellapragada1180 then what's the point in comparing these 2 albums when the video is clearly about which was more deserving of winning - the actual winner or the album over which it won (in this case 1989 & TBAP) since mbdtf and 1989 weren't released in the same year in no way mbdtf could lose to 1989 (it was a pretty solid album tho, totally worth the win)
Taylor’s 1989 was her most successful album with multiples number 1s which makes sense as to why it won album of the year plus style, wildest dreams and blank space are one of the best songs which turned out to be her singles and is a reasonable choice for her to win so for you to search “ Taylor swift sellout “ was dumb.
Facts like this guys just clearly hates taylor cause he's a kanye fan.
U really gonna say 1989 was better than to pimp a butterfly 💀. 1989 had songs filled with bland pop wasn’t inspiring at all. Even her latest work is way better than that. The album had catchy songs that would be good if u don’t wanna spend too much time thinking what the songs are saying.
@@luv_mark I don’t think it has to do with him being Kanye fan tbh. He is a more superior artist, in terms of production quality, new fearless experiments and wordplay is even better than her especially early in his career, even the theme of the album is so much more refreshing and original . Don’t get me wrong Taylor is prolly best mainstream pop artist out there maybe except Rihanna but most of these mainstream mediocre to begin with so it is a great feat achieved by Taylor however, it’s not monumental imo
there’s no way it deserved to win aoty over tpab
So you’re saying 1989 was better that To Pimp A Butterfly? 💀😭
The fact neither Beyoncé's Self-Titled nor the Lemonade album won the AOTY is enough proof that Grammys do, indeed, suck.
that lemonade snub was literally trash
@@rnbxdestinystrinity2785 your point? I said the snub was trash.... as in they literally are disgusting for snubbing lemonade 🗿
@@rocardochang8643 Yeah interpreted it wrong. Lemme delete my comment as an apology ❤
I have and always will stand by the fact that NFR by Lana should've won AOTY. I am not discrediting Billie, I truly believed she deserved all of the other big awards she received that night, but for AOTY it should've went to Lana.
Till now I’m sad that lana didn’t win AOTY in that year😭😤
me too, it was an amazing album, one of her best. it's BTD, Ultraviolence then NFR!
Lana deserved it. But it's cool if Billie got it.
Of all nominates, yes, NFR was the best. But there were better albums released that year.
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5:59 I always come back to this video for this moment specifically because it’s a simple edit yet weirdly cathartic.
it's kinda annoying how people care more about whether their favorite artists get nominated or win instead of just listening to other artists' works to really see or consider if they really "suck" or "doesn't deserve to be nominated/to win"
always good to remind that taste doesn't mean quality
I’m still shook LEMONADE and BEYONCÉ didn’t win album of the year. Like what a scam.
At the end of the day the members aren’t gonna be objective, they’re gonna vote for who they want to win/who they like over who they think should actually be the winner. A lot of the voters are old white and male, Lemonade didn’t speak to them. 25 was a SAFE more comfortable choice for them. 😂 🙄
lemonade is a masterpiece
@@carolynbratton7827 objectively nothing mediocre about lemonade, there’s a critical consensus it was one of strongest albums of the decade by a female artist.
@@carolynbratton7827 girl bye with your irrelevant opinions...
@@carolynbratton7827 im gonna ask you whats “not mediocre” and youll say a white guy. it never chances.
Chilombo is thoroughly deserving of it's nomination this year and I'm so glad to see Jhene get the nom.
Also, if we're talking about albums that defined the time-period they were nominated in, then you shouldn't shade 'Teenage Dream'. One of the biggest pop juggernauts of the last decade. Featuring hit-after-hit. Most tracks were single worthy and featured iconic music videos and promo. A truly great campaign that most would agree deserved the grammy.
I’m sad that he called Melodrama weird. Like… dude, that album was pure perfection
Yeah, I feel this video was made by someone who’s mad because his favorite artist lost tbh.
Ikr its so addictive
He didn’t mean weird in a bad way
Music is subjective
old asf but I don't think the guy said that in a negative way, just stating that for the Grammy's standards, those albums weren't clean and squeaky enough
It's all good until you drag other artists down. You can state facts without sounding bitter and a hater. 👀
Which makes sense because you are a Kanye fan.
Fax
i noticed that too
it was so unessceary 🤞🏾
besides the Grammys aren't the Critics 2.0 and shouldn't be.
it would get boring and predictable honestly
i see the Grammys more as recommendations than a definitive anything
that's why the whole thing has never really bothered me
@@airshyelph you didn't have to snap this hard but thank you.
Some deserve to be dragged down🤷♂️
The fact that we occasionally get a great nomination is proof that there are people who care in the mix, but for the most part it's the same as the Oscars, just a bunch of stuffy, old, rich people who don't know what's actually happening in the real world
I'd argue they know what's happening in the real world, hence the lukewarm picks. Most recording academy members only listen to whatever is playing on the radio.
More than likely, they wait until they receive submissions, look though artists' names and pick out the ones they recognize. Then they appoint their nominees based on that. I really don't think it gets deeper than that.
I'm only saying this because it's already known that the Film Academy does not actually watch every film submitted for consideration. Hell, this is the reason why Disney films always get nominated and win in the animated category. It's only the most recognizable that get a chance.
I already knew the grammys got weird when Michael Jackson didnt won anything for his BAD album
Like katy perry with Teenage dream. Both had 5 no.1 singles and were commercially wery successful but katy doesn't even have 1 grammy
Joshua Tree deserved it and even if Joshua Tree didn't win it should have been Sign O Times not Bad
9:00 as a testament to how impactful they are, I hear Swifties and CRJ fans calling 1989 and emotion 'sisters' all the time. Really, this was an amazing era of music, and picking a winner is a nightmare
21 by adele deserved 100% lmao best selling album of the 21st century and is literally 17x platinum about to go 2x diamond. it was HUGE. get over it. she deserved it.
mate he literally implied that it's the best out of the ones chosen, i highly doubt that he's upset over its win, more so over the snubs
He didn’t get mad about Adele winning but the fact that Kanye’s album got snubbed
calm down, he didnt say he hated it, he just thought that mbdtf which i think and many others think is a masterpiece shouldve won the grammys.
ok but fearless was a new sound in 2010 too?? and taylor wasn’t a big star then? your point makes no sense, sorry homie
He did a little five minute research, which made him biased. His research is nowhere near the people's love for an album
that's it!!!!!! taylor wasn't that famous when fearless was released
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He even shaded 1989 💀 This man is a TS hater but can't admit it lmao
Exactly. It was only her second album and she was 18. Definitely not the massive household name like she is today. She didn’t win for being a giant Popstar, she was very new to the industry and still making a name for herself.
1989 was an amazing pop album. It still has implications today, and did (sonically) what it was meant to. However, does that mean Kendrick shouldn’t have won, probably not. I think it was complicated, nuanced, outlasting, and just over all an AMAZING album. The fact that it didn’t win speaks to how the Grammys operate (and how they seemingly have and will probably continue to do so). I just don’t think Taylor deserves all the hate for that. She won and the album was good. I just think the Grammys need to make some readjustments (especially after 2020) if the want to be a sustainable source of validation and recognition.
@@martasorangeberry I lived the 80s and can assure the sound was there back then before Taylor decided to do 1989. Also working with Max Martin was not leading the way. She chose him because he made huge hits that sounded like 80s throwback.
@@martasorangeberry And personally the album sounded more early TRL 90s to me with Style being the best track IMO.
PopOff! She started working with max prior to 1989
i think there are definitely inconsistencies in the data, as how good an album is, is subjective. i think alot of mainstream music recieves worse reviews simply due to it being more popular, and i think more obscure music ends up with higher ratings, as fans tend to be very engaged with the music, and critics love anything non-mainstream
What is with the taylor swift passive aggressiveness? She is the music industry and I find mind boggling you act as if she isnt?
She’s unbearably generic, she makes music for the average listener. Nothing she makes is historical or even pushes the agenda when it comes to creating music. Why listen to Swift when Lorde exist.
@@Toddwhinehouse why listen to you when taylor got evermore and folklore...
@@otoa_r again unbearably generic. You want alternative? Beach House is your favorite artist’s favorite artist. I could go as far as saying Clairo is better than Taylor in that alternative lane. I could list off many artist that make those albums look like child’s play. Taylor is a legend but she’s done nothing to push the boundaries of music.
@@Toddwhinehouse LISTEN 👏 TO 👏 THE 👏 LYRICS 👏
@@Toddwhinehouse generic? tell me what your playlist are and if one of your songs objectifies women then you are the generic listener! You can't even appreciate importance of lyrics and you just rely on the beat and remixes which is sad cause most listeners today are mediocre.
Now that After Hours isn’t nominated for AOTY, I’m kinda rooting for Folklore by default lol
Vote to Fine Line, it's better
@@balbinaaa1575 fine line ain't even nominated. And fine line is definitely a masterpiece but folklore is better with lyrics.
@@balbinaaa1575 fine line is not better than folklore. Hairy stans are delusional
@@balbinaaa1575 vote for what? Grammy's ain't fan voted 💀
Yeah, I can say the same. I would’ve rooted for After Hours but it wasn’t nominated so.... Imma just go with folklore then.
OH HELL NAHHHH. I just know you didn't shit on 1989 by Taylor. That album was amazing tf
Not better than tpab... please put an opinion aside
To Pimp A Butterfly is miles better
@@freddysamjacob363 Absolutely not.
@@freddysamjacob363 and it wasn't even nearly as successful commercially as 1989. As good as that album is, It didn't define that year like 1989 did.
@@kingsleyndegwa1568 bruh. It didn't define the year?? To Pimp A Butterfly is still known for its history and what it has done to the black community, and how much it has helped fight racism. Iconic is not just about popularity,it's also about impact. Even this year, People blasted "Alright" from The album in the Black Lives Matter movement.
Also, Popularity is one of the factors for Grammy selection, Not the major factor. TPAB is miles better in quality.
Teenage Dream will be forever iconic and I am very surprised she is one of the lowest. It is all my opinion but its genuinely one of her best albums that she has ever made.
its her best album. she literally defines pop music in the 2010s, i love her