Why Killing Off Phoenix is a TERRIBLE Idea!
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
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Intro 0:00
Athena Cykes: Ace Attorney 1:01
Too Many Prosecutors 4:14
Apollo's Return 7:41
Spinny Offs 8:53
Phoenix is Dead 13:21
Conclusion 21:24
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Why killing off phoenix is a bad idea:
1. I would cry
I just hope Phoenix won’t be killed off in ‘Ace Attorney 7’, because he is the main protagonist of the entire franchise. Also, Capcom, please bring back Gumshoe, Franziska and Sister Iris!
I want to see Gumshoe return with a kid. I can imagine him like Iyesa Nosa from TGAA where he has a kid crawling around on him being weird the whole time during investigations.
I want the return of Franziska more than any other character though!
I think it would be kinda cool if gumshoes (adopted?) kid or nephew without being wright is being controlled .
An iris comeback is interesting as like realistically I could see it happening (only for Phoenix to go with Edgeworth for a molars checkup lol). But also like what they are doing with Apollo and Trucy, that plotline seemingly is already in the past, and bringing iris back isn't really a cameo the level of Maya or Franziska/Gumshoe would be. So it would be nice but I dont see it happening sorry iris x Phoenix shippers
Imagine if franzy returns with her own game with her as the protagonist
Iris might be out of jail by now so that could happen
Shoutout to the one guy in chat who wanted a larry game
It would be a dating sim, it's already a visual novel game series
The guy fell off a bridge, only left with something broken
Survived a freaking concussion and only suffered memory loss
This man is unkillable
Also, he got whipped thousands and thousands of times, tasered by Karma, and got ran over by a car, launched into a lamppost and all he got was a sprained ankle.
With the bridge, he got a cold that the hospital didn't want turning into pneumonia.
Got hit by a car in Apollo Justice and only sustained an ankle injury.
He also physically chewed up and swallowed a glass bottle with poison in it
Don’t forget Godot’s habit of throwing coffee.
I do agree that killing Phoenix would be a cheap ploy. And Capcom has already proven that killing a main mascot would be disastrous after Frank West's end.
I'm more in favour of Athena and Apollo dealing with something major while Phoenix is away or indisposed. You don't need anything complex, just a reason for Phoenix to be unavailable for the most part, maybe with a phone call or brief visit cameo here and there. Simplicity is usually the winning formula, after all.
I heard people pitch Athena or Phoenix travel to Europe to separate them and deal with stuff overseas. Even though that kind of plays into what they just did in SOJ, it’s just one way to get one out of the picture and focus on an entirely different situation without doing anything drastic to any of the mainstream
Phoenix gets hit by a nuclear bomb and hurts his wrists
@@Boooiiiiii His name gets written into the death note and he is slightly inconvenienced for 3 days from the heart attack.
If regular intake of Eldoon's noodles can't kill Phoenix, nothing can.
I think one of the things they could do for Phoenix at this point is to have him tackle some different types of cases. Not being in the story risks a loss in sales considering he's the face of the franchise, him being the main character again isn't a good idea as he's pretty much completed his character arc, he's too early in his career to rationally retire (especially in this economy), his death would be a bad idea for numerous reasons, and having him taking on more murder cases risks players thinking his story would be more interesting than the one they're following.
The guy has seen enough death for one lifetime. Especially since he's not even 40. While he is a lawyer, I don't remember him ever saying he is exclusively a criminal defense lawyer. He took a civil case in SoJ (though he was being coerced, and it ended up being a murder), and a theft in T&T (which also ended up being a murder but he didn't know at the time,) and I don't think it's farfetched to assume he'd be willing to do more like that. Have him be extremely busy with petty lawsuits and robberies and whatnot, while Athena (or whoever is the protagonist) deals with the murders due to a lack of other lawyers at the agency. Maybe for the last chapter, their cases overlap and Athena has to connect the dots.
Idk, probably a stupid idea, but I think it's better than killing him off.
I've seen fandoms say they want the main character to get killed off in favor of a new character, and then get mad when that actually happens.
Killing off the main character seems like a common trope these days, and I'm tired of it. It seems like everyone wants to kill off the main character just for the sake it. Like you said, it's just lazy writing for shock value. Have Phoenix retire and like, leave the country for a while or something instead.
Goku being killed off for Gohan to take lead is massive proof of this.
jojo did it right, i think. jonathan gets killed off at the end of part 1, and it works really well. it makes subsequent battles more tense, since his death tells you something very simple: not even the main character is safe
And that already happened with Ace attorney 4/Apollo justice, and surprise, people didn't like it, some fandoms are very purists or indecisive
@@ihaetschool3361
Jojo did it best, honestly kinda
Having even better main characters as the show goes on
And sometimes, even the past MC doesn't die!
JJBA's passing of the torch feels so much more natural, with somewhat proper resolutions for most of the MCs, and stuff to genuinely look forward to after each part.
Yeah, him being abroad or retiring for a bit would accomplish the same thing. Or he gets sick and someone has to take over the case.
“Ace attorney chronicles” and “Apollo justice trilogy” feel like proof capcom doesn’t feel like it 100% needs phoenix
In all honesty I think removing him as a protagonist is an awful decision but what I do think they should do is make him a secondary one, where Athena takes the majority of cases from now on
One is a spin-off and one is really Phoenix’s trilogy, just named differently to avoid confusion, understand what you’re saying though
Honestly the last part kinda indicates why even tho many have issues with apollo's lore
They geniunely apretiate that soj was escentially Apollo's game for the most part
@@MarcusXD100 I don’t think it is, people misunderstand these games, Phoenix gets just as much development, if not more than Apollo, the respect from Phoenix is more so his character development than Apollo’s. Yes, the Dhurke stuff is development from Apollo, however, Apollo doesn’t stand on his own in court in case 5, he doesn’t even start the revolution, the revolution was already stronger than the royals (likely to overthrow them by force regardless of Apollo’s actions in the trial in kurain) thanks to PHOENIX exposing them in case 3, I think SOJ is a Phoenix Wright game, with Apollo being stand-in in case 2 and important in case 5, although across the whole game, Phoenix makes more of an impact and we follow more of his journey than we do Apollo’s IMO
@@dragonballlover2880 fair enough
I personally think every main game from now on should do like Apollo justice and have phoenix be in the story but not playable
I misread the title as "Why killing people is a terrible idea" and was like 'you don't say-'
If Phoenix dies I riot. I swear I'll not drop the game on the spot if that happens, no matter how well written it might be
I like the idea of a more Athena focused game but god... when will Apollo and Trucy learn they're siblings and who their mother is😭
Also amaaazing video this was sm fun to watch and remember some of the stuff that makes me like AA so much.
How about Phoenix "dies" at the beginning and the tutorial trial is Athena defending whatever poor sap is framed by the real killer, but Phoenix is not actually dead (not for lack of trying; the culprit had every intent to kill him but didn't account for Phoenix being built different) and just uses this opportunity to investigate from the shadows and uncover some great conspiracy Apollo Justice hobo style. Edgeworth is in on it (hence why he isn't prosecuting himself) and has faked the autopsy report, exaggerating the lethality of the injuries Phoenix suffered
I think it’s an interesting idea, but not having Athena or Apollo in on it or making it a fake out for us the audience would arguably be worse than just straight killing him, especially when people are already complaining about Ace Attorney not committing to anything
Thanks for making me realize I live in a world where I will never see Sissel reverting Phoenix's comical death.
Wait is a crossover straight up impossible?
If Miles and Phoenix wedding is not in AA7 I will riot.
I just want to give you kudos for being someone who makes Ace Attorney video essays. You have no idea how good of a treat they are in general
I'm gonna be that guy and say the AA team is hashing out all the remakes before AA7 because they plan to kill off Phoenix in AA7 and want to milk his existence before they do. It's unfortunately plausible, and while I hope they don't actually have him killed I definitely expect it.
with the apollo trilogy, it maybe possible. But I think it will at least be the end of Phoenix in the spotlight
I just don’t buy that Capcom went from being terrified to release a main-series game without Phoenix to killing him off. I think with the success of TGAA they will be more comfortable with him not being the focus, but I don’t think there’s even a chance of him being killed off
@@CoolCarGuy Yeah, I think the "Apollo Justice" Trilogy was a really good sendoff for Phoenix Wright, whether they just take him out of the spotlight in the future or just commit literal character assassination.
@@Kramer.from.seinfeld That's a fair argument too. They have been pretty closed off, but the director who established the "no spoiler" rule is supposedly off the team now, at least temporarily, so the series really could go in any direction from here!
@@poyopowerplantReally? What's your source on that I'd like to know more. This is great news, If true
God, the animations of killing Phoenix are GOLDEN
Timestamps for Phoenix abuse
13:36 15:12
13:24 (thx davi2262v)
i had too much fun killing Phoenix :)
@@CoolCarGuysomething kristoph would say tbh
@@CoolCarGuy
Who wouldn't? :D
@@ice-zeppeliSo true
@@CoolCarGuythe ghost trick phoenix looks awesome dude
Anyway to get him to not be in the game to have him and edgeworth planning their wedding. It could be cute and have him on the sidelines for the cutest Dueo Athena and trucy
Athena just feels like an 'eh' choice for main protagonist with the regular cast, but I would _love_ a game with Athena in that position with Blackquill as the main assistant for the game. Out of all the characters Athena could be paired up with, Blackquill specifically has the best chemistry with her behind the bench IMO, and the other main characters already have their perfect partners - Phoenix with Maya, Apollo with Trucy. Blackquill also seems like the perfect candidate for a more active assistant - someone who could participate more in the actual trial proceedings instead of just playing moral support.
While I'm on board for an Athena game having the return of Franziska and Sebastian with Backquill being the friendlier prosecutor of the 3. There's so much angst and drama in a spin off about Trucy doing magic just because of how Apollo reacted to Dhurke, just and of how complicated and dark the Grammary story is including all the things Laminoir has to deal with after losing her memory.
Also there could be a chance for a full retelling of Phoenix journey in his secrn years unemployed. A lot of ligh hearted fun before another wild ride an Athena game can be.
I think it would be really heartwarming to see Apollo appreciate the fun that is being Trucy's assistant after coming back home.
Also i lowkey got super into piercing together all the stuff Phoenix did in his time as a "pianist" with all the little info given it's really interesting.
Side note it would be fun if Phoenix actually got good at piano
@@CoolCarGuy he can't play that thing for that long and not learn at least the beginners melodies. I totally get it if instead of I can't play he said I don't know jazz or classical (the go to for pianists like him).
He's fucking lying again. THAT DUDE KNOWS TWINKLE TWINKLE LITTLE STAR!
The thing i always wanted and thought that would be good in the next ace attorney game is having a case where the judge being accused of a murder and another judge that actually killed the victim was the one who would replace him as the judge, he would be corrupted and tried to get the judge in jail, it would be very interesting knowing that the judge is very gullible and could be manipulated or tricked into getting arrested, also he is one of my fave characters in the franchise
You’re onto something
Ryunosuke be like : I don't know why but I feel like I've seen this before...
Maybe Phoenix could be put out of comission like he’s injured or kidnapped. Maybe even has to fake his death or has his death faked by the villain.
My idea: We play as Phoenix in Case 1. But he needs to be hospitalised for a long time after he received some very severe injuries from attempted murder. Therefore, from Case 2 to the final case, we’ll play as Athena, who will be temporarily in charge of the Agency until Phoenix is fully recovered.
CoolCarGuy: Spin-Offs
Me waiting for Miles Edgeworth Investigations 3 since forever.
14:08
OKAY BUT- That really is a great quote to say considering what Phoenix went through throughout the games🗿
I don’t really have any story related ideas for the next Ace Attorney game,
but I would think it’d be cool to have a slight time jump, and with that a little wardrobe change for Apollo and Athena.
I think it’d just be cool if Apollo grew like a short stache + goatee (separated) and now has some Kurah’in flair to his vest and general outfit, and if Athena changed to wearing a full blazer and suit pants, with the pants being a little bell bottom-y, and the coat to still have the rolled sleeves.
I can’t really think of another difference they could make to Phoenix’s outfit since Capcom gave him his 3-piece suit in DD. The only thing I could think of a change in Phoenix would I guess him growing out a beard like how Capcom gave Ryu one in SF6. I guess they could put some flair into it and make it somewhat like his actual hair too?
I dunno I just think a switch up in the character designs would be cool
I don’t think Phoenix should actually die, but he shouldn’t be a (major) character in the game
What if instead of Phoenix dying, he goes missing (because he's investigating something or hiding)? Maybe he's supposed to be in court, but when no one shows up, someone else has to take over the case last minute. Maybe he could even leave clues for the others to try and figure out throughout the game.
If Phoenix dies in Ace Attorney 7 it will become the worst game ever created.
Whenever I hear something about a bad AA game, I automatically think "ehhhhh it wasn't THAT bad", but if AA7 pulls a Mia Fey, I will flip a table and scream
Seriously, bring back mia
Phoenix as an assistant and Athena as a protag would be intriguing tbh
And imagine a return of AAI chars like Kay and Sebastian
Mia investigations style game?
AND YES, GAA INVESTIGATIONS WANTERS
Also maybe its just me, but I want to see some spinoff revolving around turnabout storyteller
Perhaps in a universe where athena is the main attorney again
Some sort of revisiting, its pivotal in Athena's skillset
I mean, it would be a really bad idea to kill the main op of your game series when the last time we saw it, it was in 2016.
it would be funny though i will say
2016 was.... Almost 8 Years ago.
I don't like that.
I don't like that at all.
@spaghettiisyummy.3623 local man realizes he's growing old
Personally, I think the best way forward incorporates all of these things simultaneously. I think that a 3rd trilogy is the way to go to fully wrap up the Phoenix Wright story and then move on to other characters. Here’s how I’d write it.
I love the part in super hero shows where all the villains join forces to take out the hero. That’s where I’d start. Morgan Fey, Manfred Von Karma, Kristoph Gavin, and Damon Gant all join forces to take Phoenix and co out-for good. Of course, this wouldn’t be revealed until later in the game.
Early on in the game, just as Phoenix is about to win a case, he gets murdered. Reeling in shock, Athena and Apollo have to take up the reins and finish the case. BUT… Phoenix isn’t actually dead. Rather, his death is faked because Edgeworth, Gumshoe, and Francisca start hearing rumors that Shelley De Killer is trying to kill him. They don’t tell Apollo and Athena (and us, by extension) in order to protect them. If they think Phoenix is dead, perhaps the people trying to kill him will believe so, too. And if they got captured, they would not be able to give them the information they want.
To further solidify Phoenix’s death, his “body” is found, with evidence showing Edgeworth is the killer. Athena and Apollo try to defend him, but they lose. It’s an airtight case. However what Apollo, Athena, and the player don’t know is that the entire case and Phoenix’s death is a complete fabrication. Edgeworth is also a target, and the group decided the best way to protect Edgeworth is to get him incarcerated. Since Phoenix also needs to be undeniably dead, this is a sort of two birds, one stone kind of deal.
Thinking that Phoenix is dead, the bad guys then turn their crosshairs to the rest of Wright Anything Agency. This gives ample time for Apollo and Athena to get some much-needed screen time, and allows for an absolutely earth-shattering final game.
In the final case, during the final attack, that’s when Phoenix returns. For the three of them together to end it once and for all.
This is amazing
@@Jake28 thanks! Wasn’t sure how people would react to it
von karma is already dead whoops
@@thealmightycrisprat depends. In the game, they say he’s “gone from this world” or something to that effect. But, that’s a little vague, I think. And they also said that Edgeworth was “dead” at one point, so… I dunno
@@ktshipman21I mean, Edgeworth’s death was said because he literally left a note that could be read as a suicide note. Manfred absolutely died in jail
I wonder if any of the devs behind the the Ace Attorney games (those who worked under Takumi and those that worked under Yamazaki) ever played any fan-games and/or fan/cases. Like, seriously, some of the stuff that the fans have come up with are really insane and I hope that the devs use those moments as inspiration to make the next game. Don't know if it's ok for me to name any of them, but I suggest looking up the most famous 1s and to play through them fully.
I'd really like to know what exactly you mean by Blackquill being a watered down version of Godot.
The only unique similarity they share is that both of them went to prison. Godot is an interesting character with inherent flaws who due to his sexism blamed Phoenix for not protecting Mia (this later turned out to be him projecting) which is why Godot killed Dahlia just for the sake of revenge. Despite being fully aware of who the body belonged to. This is his tragedy.
Simon on the other hand pleads guilty for killing his mentor, only because he was under the impression that her Daughter was the culprit. His drive was to save Athena which in turn lead Athena to turn into a lawyer.
I fail to see any parallels.
From my personal interpretation, Blackquil as a character and personality felt like an attempt to recreate Godot, but only really a surface level understanding as to why godot is so compelling. And Blackquil lacking the personal flaw as you mentioned as Godot with his arrogance and sexist/male savior attitude is the very reason Blackquil feels lesser than Godot.
Both use some form of “psychological manipulation” to win their arguments, however Godot is way more pungent and has a different level of intensity to his comments. Blackquil meanwhile only really makes very shallow statements and calls them “psychological manipulation” in my opinion. (More so a part of Yamazaki’s writing style which you could take it or leave it). But thats a major reason as to why Blackquil just feels like an Ai look the base details that make up godot and made a character based on that.
And there is the tragic backstory which godot and Blackquil kind of differ, but still have similarities: prolific prosecutors who throw everything away from one event. But while Blackquil had the more sappy sympathy level backstory incline to those who see Godot as a selfless hero, Godot’s true backstory has that level of depth and character flaw that makes his lore thought provoking than Blackquil. Blackquil is distant just cuz he wants to protect Athena? It’s a backstory we’ve seen a million times. But Godot could be argued his poisoning was from arrogance and even his underlying sexism seeing dahlia as lesser. It’s a tragic backstory surmounted by Godot’s own flaws rather than just one who made a presumption through pure selfless sympathy.
So like the Godot Blackquil isn’t a direct 1 to 1, but there are similarities are similar arcs trying to make two dark edgy characters with tragic and selflessness to them. But one in my opinion one just feels more intriguing and dark while the other is just a more surface level and shallow version of what they did with godot.
I really wish more people played PW Vs PL. It's so underrated and even most UA-camrs who've played through the franchise have skipped over it.
I really liked this game, that's why The great ace attorney is my favorite ace attorney game x)
okay well think about this, if we kill pheonix, maya can channel him and we'll have sprites of him wearing her clothes. I think that would make it worth it
LMAOO pls that would be great
@@cheukyinglau8011I do not like that face alongside those words.
Edit: cheuk’s comment went like this “Oh yes! 😈”
Well, when you put it that way...
Only thing is, the most recognizable thing about Phoenix is his hair, and the hair doesn’t change when a person’s being channeled.
What if
They make a major character a culprit 👀
(Random example just to show what I mean)
Ema kills someone out of premeditation
Gumshoe noooo don’t shoot!
9:20 - hey, that's me :) Still holding out hope for a Mia prequel. There's definitely some story limitations there, but I particularly want it to focus on Phoenix and Mia's growth as mentor and protégé. I think it would also retroactively make her death hit us even harder.
Also, I agree, killing Phoenix would be an awful idea. While it would be shocking and devastating, I don't see what it could really bring to the table despite that. Another character could take the starring role without him dying, lol.
lol short quick video takes two months to edit lol
Rip
I'm so glad that there are a lot of people still talking about Ace Attorney.
Well, the Apollo Justice Trilogy is happening so I see it was obvious, but still, that a lot of people are not only talking, also speculating and theorizing as much as they can.
I also expect that Ace Attorney 7 happens, we already got 3 compilations, a new game sounds like about time.
Okay, this was amazing. The topics that fandom has touched and needs answer.
About Athena: I love Athena, but I feel her introduction was heavily overshadowed by Phoenix's return and Apollo's tragic path, without mentioning the whole lotta traumas both Athena and Apollo presented in just one game. Athena has the rights to have her own game, she deserves it.
About the Prosecutors: Are they really ignoring the existence of Franziska, Sebastian and Klavier in favor of Edgeworth? Hey, Edgeworth is amazing but if they brought back Ema or Pearl, then those prosecutors also would deserve a comeback, right? Just imagine the situations and dialogue between Sebastian and Athena, or Franziska and Blackquill trying to slash each other by mere provoking.
About Apollo: His "trilogy" is happening, yes, but he wasn't the main character in one and a half games from that trilogy. And meanwhile Spirit of Justice finally gave Apollo his ultimate resolution, he still has a lot to offer, not only in Khura'in. His chords of steel are still vibrating with excitement, I want to hear more of them.
About the Spinoffs: WE NEED MORE SPINOFFS. Maybe kind of like a title such as "The Ace Attorney Files" that talk about Mia and Godot's old cases, of even Gregory's ones, even a whole new cast unrelated to the main characters.
About Phoenix's dead: I've been in a lot of fandoms, and the topic of killing the main protagonist is always a constant.
I even know that is just the riskiest decision to ever give, no matter the context.
Killing Phoenix, while it may give such a heavy twist to the series and the consequences that follows, I think it's just not a good idea.
Phoenix has been for a LONG time already, he's basically a renamed character with such influence and recognition, killing him would change the focus.
As you said, dead is no rare in Ace Attorney, but it is the impact that it gives to the plot at the moment. Some deaths happen because they must, are presented for the main character to get through the shock and find the hope after. But we're talking about Phoenix, his death will only cause shock for the sake of shock.
Also, Apollo and Athena can shine without putting Pheonix out of the picture, Apollo Justice, Investigations and The Great Ace Attorney are proof of that.
To finish, can I imagine them letting Phoenix get killed even after everything he went through?
Nah.
Overall, I enjoyed so much this video. You really took feedback from the comment and with that explored every topic with such caution and investigation. Truly a remarkable job.
To be honest I'm also on the side that killing Phoenix off would do more harm then good for not only the franchise but the characters as well since as you mentioned before, it'll once again center around Phoenix but just with his 'death' instead.
Phoenix is actually my favorite character in AA and I actually had an alternative idea for him with one last storyline that'll wrap up his character for the most part in my book. I think people have seen this idea already with a few fan videos being made of it, but anyone ever notice that we follow Phoenix's and everyone's adventures but we haven't delved too much into Phoenix's mental state unlike Athena and Apollo. I think I a nice storyline (kudos to anyone who remembers the fan video of this idea) starts with Phoenix showing off the magatama to Apollo explaining how it works. We all know Apollo's famous line 'I'm Apollo Justice and I'm fine!" as a way to pump himself up. He encourages Phoenix to try that out while he's holding the magatama and Phoenix goes 'I'm Phoenix Wright and I'm fine!'. And then a whole bunch of black psyche locks appear on him stunning Apollo. Phoenix is oblivious to this reveal and Apollo realizes that they got a BIG problem.
Because when you really think about, Phoenix goes through a fucking lot through out the games. Whether it's physical or mental trauma it's a god damn laundry list varying from game to game. And he seems to come out perfectly fine by the end of it and there isn't much address on his mental well being after everything is said and done from others or even himself.
I think this could be a really good story line that ties all three attorneys together since we've seen all of their pasts to an extent. Athena and Apollo would be a solid team up of figuring out Phoenix's emotions and breaking each psyche lock each chapter setting up a dynamic where for once Phoenix needs to rely on them rather than vice versa whether he realizes it or not. It can also bring out more sides to said three characters since this isn't really the type of challenge they're use to outside of Athena with her being able to detect and feel emotions. It's not perfect and could definitely use some polish here and there on how they would go about it but I definitely like the idea since it focuses more on the psychological aspects of the characters rather then their pasts or just trying to be a better lawyer.
Sorry for the wall of text, I just think it's neat.
Question: What if Maya Fey herself became an attorney with unique spiritual power mechanics to references? That might be cool to see as well?
I'ma need at least one more game as Phoenix.
Much as I would like for the lingering plot threads, like Apollo and Trucy being siblings, I just honestly feel like they're gonna purposely go unresolved forever. The best opportunities to resolve these threads have come and gone which is why I feel fine with a new cast taking over. Or at least, a new cast + Athena and Blackquill. I just can't imagine many of the resolutions at this point being all that satisfying at this point. For instance, we already had Mr. Reus who, assumedly, was the last unresolved part of Troupe Gramarye which would've been a perfect time to do... something with the two half-siblings but we got nothing in that regard. And now at this point, unless they devise some incredible storyline I cannot envision currently, it would probably kill the pacing and feel cheap despite how long we've been waiting for it.
Also a new cast could be cool if it was something about Athena as the rookie figuring herself out and we got to see more different kinds of lawyers and prosecutors, not in terms of their presence during a trial, but as characters with various opinions and thoughts about justice and the law and so on.
not addressing the apollo trucy backstory may have been the biggest failure of the Yamazaki era of ace attorney games imo. It just perpetuated that flaw of Apollo jumping between backstories/plotlines instead of a continuation. So I think just even passingly address it in a one-off special episode case would just give it the closure it deserves
7:35 That reminds me of my idea for a fan character who is a prosecutor who is seemingly from our world and played the ace attorney trilogy and keeps breaking the fourth wall.
The joke would be one of the reasons he became a prosecutor would be to check if Godot was sentenced to death or not, and then just never say the answer out loud.
wow, absolutely amazing video! i love your writing and editing, it’s so engaging and fun. i really enjoyed this as a break from studying lol, keep it up man!! honestly i feel like the sibling dynamics of ace attorney make it unique to other games, not much comes to mind except AA when i think “found family”. thats why i think blackquill and athena together working on cases is cute, like that one SoJ case where blackquill was co-counsel for athena. their characters are silly and compliment each other well, kind of like trucy and apollo or maya and phoenix. i think exploring rayfa’s character more would be cool as well, since she has a lot of potential to be relevant again :) i’d like to see her and trucy have some sister antics considering they’re kinda sorta technically siblings now XD overall i think that dynamic really makes ace attorney unique, and i’d like to see them capitalize on it more! once again amazing video, ace attorney community never dies
I actually didn’t know that Dual Destinies was so controversial. I’m almost done playing it for the first time, and while I have some criticisms of it (I wish we’d gotten to see some of Phoenix’s “chessmaster” side from AJ), I’ve really been enjoying it overall!
Idk how successful it would be, but a new investigations game with Mikotoba and Sholmes would be so hype
I'm still holding out for more TGAA. Or maybe it's the copium, but seeing the previous generation's team or watching Kazuma, Barok and Gina (Maybe some Maria too?) Solve crimes and hang out in Britain would be amazing. Or maybe a Ryutaro game focusing on how Japan's legal system is shaping up? (A century is enough time for the legal system to fall into a modern trilogy level state of disrepair, I hope.)
How to make fans happy with AA7
Bring back our boi Dick gumshoe
I just miss gumshoe
11:17 Or Lestrade. I wanna see Gina Lestrade grown up and being a good detective without Gregson.
Though maybe she could way for Sholmes to cover his blindspots because she has first hand knowledge on crimes and criminal motivation. While Lestrade will be kinda tied to Scotland Yard politics like Gregson when Sholmes isn't.
My idea would be to have a game take place 2-5 years after the events of the Chronicles with a 12-15 year old Iris Wilson and a 20-23 year old Lestrade. I have a feeling there's potential there. Though the "5 year" option would be kinda hard to tie to the Chronicles games because it would be basically ages ago and long forgotten. While with the 2 year option you can imagine that Wilson and Lestrade still hold some grief about Klint van Zieks and Gregson respectively. Though I also really wanna see Teenage Wilson.
4:41 Erm actully his name is Eustace Winner🤓
Once a character is dead, they are cut off from the world altogether and not supposed to come back, even in a fictional world. Otherwise, questions start to arise as to why they were not preserved alive if they were meant to still play an active role.
If Phoenix were to quit lawyering, simply "quitting" like retirement would be enough. He wouldn't play an active role anymore as a lawyer while still being able to operate as much as needed.
Regardless, this is just an opinion on the matter.
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there is a fancase where pheonix gets killed of called turnabout of a legend where Apollo is defending a friend of his for murdering pheonix. It was supposed to be the first in a series of cases but it's been a few years since there's been any word from the developer so it's unlikely they'll any more cases in that series.
21:20 LOOK GARY! THERE I AM!
I would like to see Athena actually showing her capable self by having her solo the first case of aa7 tbh
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Nah we need Ace Detective Dick Gumshoe or have him return in Ace Attorney 7
If you want Phoenix outta the spotlight for once...idk have him and edgeworth get married and go off to live their lives together or somth
I doubt they’re brave enough to do it, but that’d actually kinda work. Have them move out of the country (since same sex marriage isn’t recognized in Japan), and boom, you have a perfect excuse for Phoenix to be out of the picture for most of the story.
Phoenix-Edgeworth honeymoon/trip overseas could work in many ways - we could get an AA7 that mainly focuses on other characters, and then a Miles Investigates 3, in which Miles and Phoenix solve crimes during their honeymoon/trip overseas (because let's not kid ourselves, murders would happen simply because the destination would sense their presence).
@@flowergirl6242 YES a thousand times yes
I kinda want a Klavier Gavin Investigations game, as an Apollo Justice spin on the Edgeworth game(s)
I think Phoenix should be kidnapped or something for 7. Killing him off permanently isn't a good idea but keeping him out of the picture during athenas story is a good idea
6:07 “There I am, Gary! There I am!”
The fact that Athena is being included in the weekly Apollo Justice Trilogy trailers gives me hope that Capcom hasn’t completely forgotten about her. My guess is that it’ll depend on how well the AJ Trilogy does if we get an Athena game. But man, I want it BADLY now. And Franziska would be such a fun prosecuting foil to Athena.
My dream spin-off would be an AAI game starring Klavier and Simon as they work with Edgeworth to clean up the Prosecutors’ Office following Simon’s acquittal. And they take turns being the lead or the other’s weird assistant. Mostly because I love those two characters and want more of them, but also because the AJ trilogy prosecutors never really got the chance to get fully fleshed out beyond their debut games. It’s become one of the casualties of introducing a new prosecutor with each game and why I love that we got Barok for both Chronicles games. Edgeworth’s story didn’t end with DL6, so why should Klavier’s end with the jurist trial or Simon with his acquittal?
I mean even if they tried to, he did fall off a bridge that one time and got a cold and got hit by a car, sent 5 feet off the air, hit a pole and only got a foot injury. I highly doubt it's even theoretically possible to kill Pheonix Wright
AA7 should be a Phoenix Wright game, the final Phoenix Wright game. Some ideas would be: he makes allies out of the Paynes, people who have hated him since the first game, EVERY main character since the first game returns, the threat of this game is a gang, made up of most of the main villains Phoenix has defeated, even manipulating Maya/Pearl to channel Manfred and Dahlia, Phoenix apologising to Apollo for the forged ace and using him for his own benefits, telling him and Trucy the truth, like the end of SOJ, the game would need to end with character development, with Phoenix retiring and passing the torch to Athena, setting up AA8, which would be the Athena game that everyone wants. I just feel that before that happens, Phoenix needs a proper sendoff game that ends in his retirement, leaving Capcom now choice but to switch protagonists in AA8, while using AA7 to send off Phoenix in a satisfying way, while also tying up all loose ends from the second trilogy
Hoo boy. Where do I even begin.
Why kill Phoenix? Why? WHY? If you want to reduce his role, just make him busy or Athena's co-counsel. At the end of the day, he is still the owner of the Wright Anything Agency, and that would make the story go "mentor death as motivation" all over again. He can be in the background, or have one of the case where he takes the lead because the implications are high.
That said, the idea of him becoming a District Attorney is... a logical follow-up, after all the stunts he pulled to get to where he is.
A Mia prequel can be interesting, and for one good reason: A return to the series' roots. With the over-reliance on the Magatama, Bracelet, Mood Matrix, I feel it would do the series a lot of good to return to more realistic setting. And shed more light on what evidence Mia had on Redd White - he is the reason she became an attorney. In doing so we will have the full picture of the damages caused by Gregory's murder.
Also, I think after two murders, Kristoph can't come back to mess with Athena. He had to have got that lethal shot.
On the same vein, I would mind Godot reappearing, but I wouldn't mind seeing some Godot references from Phoenix. The guy has to have an impact in Phoenix's life.
If they want anything to do with Apollo, make his cases a separate game - I personally didn't like Spirit of Justice's contrived stuff and Apollo getting a new backstory every time I change my nephew's diapers.
Kill off Phoenix Wright? I was thinking of Apollo Justice taking a bullet to defend his sister but then to be resurrected/have-the-fatal-would-healed by the Holy Mother if the Princess channeled her if she could do that.
As for Athena, I would like her to be at the center for the next game, specifically I want her to bond with some of Phoenix's other friends like build a sister-like relationship with Maya and have Maya offer Athena a chance to talk to her mother again by channeling her.
I’d like to see klavier again
I love the AA games! And I'm looking forward to the Apollo Justice Trilogy!
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if phoenix died the world would literally END.
Man, hearing you talk about an Athena sequel and maybe a Mia prequel spinoff made me think; we never really saw these two together.
Athena's my favorite protagonist because much as some people don't like how much more energy she has than Phoenix or Apollo (or, as good and fun as he is, even Ryuunosuke; and even Susato for that ONE case and Mia for her two cases), that alone gives our point of view's internal thoughts so much change that I felt it was super refreshing. Plus the contrast between that endless cheerfulness you'd expect more from an assistant and her more professional attitude as soon as psychology and emotions enter the picture is a great balance.
But also, unlike Apollo who kind of just stumbled under Phoenix's care (or... lack thereof, for the longest time), Athena was directly sought out by him. She's basically what Phoenix himself was to Mia, except we saw this relation develop a little bit more than that one. So it made me curious as to how the two would interact; seeing Mia proud of how even farther Phoenix had come since even T&T (the whole AJ "mission" being a big undertaking even without his badge-- and then add DD AND SoJ ontop of it), and with the help of Pearl or even Maya channeling her, help further develop said new generation.
Much as Trucy is my favorite assistant (I just found her hijinxes in AJ more fun than a lot of the idle banter of Maya in the trilogy), having Pearl (or Maya if the circumstances permit it) and thus the ability to channel Mia at a moment's notice I feel would only further help the idea of helping Athena fully develop as a lawyer of her own, just like you suggested having her face Franziska and potentially confronting Kristoph would.
... though I guess that role could just be filled with Phoenix himself actually being the boss that he now is, but I find that hard to balance with the goofy lovable protagonist side of his shown in every game except most of AJ. '^^
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Here are my ideas for 'Ace Attorney 7':
1)Athena is the main protagonist, while Pearl serves as Athena's assistant
2)Bring back Gumshoe, Franziska and Iris
3)Upgrade the Mood Matrix by adding new emotions and functions
4)Contain anime cutscenes
5)Gumshoe is the detective, Franziska is the main prosecutor and Winston is the tutorial prosecutor
6)Forensic science segments with Ema
7)Add new game mechanics
8)Cross examine multiple witnesses at the same time
9)Tie up all loose ends and mysteries
10)A main villain who challenges Athena's morality and resolve like never before
My biggest dream is that they would make a collaboration with Gosho Aoyama and make an Ace Attorney and Detective Conan Crossover.
I have a suggestion. I want to see an analysis on Dahlia Hawthorne and Sister Iris Hawthorne.
If that happened I will going to Minecraft😭
I think if they really wanted to, they should do something similar to what they did with Apollo. Give him an indefinite exit where they can bring him back at any time.
Speaking of Apollo, maybe AA7 could actually focus on him, and intertwining his backstories, while he becomes the mentor to a new generation of Attorneys in a reforming Justice system. That opens the doors for a lot of new characters, and new possibilities
The reason why Athena is so controversial is because her existence takes away from both Apollo and Trucy.
Duel Destiny should have Apollo as the main character with Trucy as the assistant. With Athena existing, she now has to have a role, and someone had to be cut down.
Most of Athena roles could be given to other characters, and it wouldn't cause many major problems aside from writing a slight difference in the story.
I should note that I actually like Athena, but I knew that spirit of justice would sideline her. It just too many people in the game and not enough time to flesh them out.
Spirit of Justice is a prime example of this. The game starts with Phoenix in another country, only to switch to Apollo and Athena who are back home with a case that pretty disconnected to the main game, only to go back to Phoenix in the other country to continue the story, but then you go back to Athena in Japan to have another irrelevance case.
Spirit of Justice has a major pacing issues that no other game had, not even Duel Destiny has that issue, and it's because Athena existed and we were expecting to be able to play as her because the previous set up that expectations.
As much as I like Apollo more than Athena, him leaving is a very good thing, because now the game can slow themselves down to a new, more manageable pace.
Ace Attorney 7 should be better because they are no longer bound by needing to give three charaters a case each in a 5 case game.
I think Athena shouldn't have been in SOJ 🤔 I say this while absolutely loving the character ! It would have been interesting to see her again in AA7 while leaving clues about her hasty departure in SOJ. Having her come back with a brand new story that would take us by surprise would have been really interesting ! As you said, the treatment of her character suffers a lot in SOJ and she didn't deserve that
Never forgiving you for calling blackquill a watered down godot lmao but yeah I agree w most other points here. I think games 5 and 6 had a lot more good than bad esp game 5 and I would love to see aa7 take the remaining threads from games 4-6 and resolve them in a cool way w Athena as a protagonist. I will say I doubt they won’t make a new prosecutor considering that that’s a staple of the ace attorney formula, but I think if they do it well it wouldn’t actually be a bad thing. Also one more thing I want is more screentime and characterization for nahyuta, not necessarily even as a prosecutor we face in court again but just as an assistant or even a witness. I think a lot of people are wayyyy too harsh on him and seeing how he’d have changed since aa6 would be good for his character.
Thx :) real nice read
but Blackquil is a watered down version of godot still lol
If someone kills Phoenix then I will raze a city.
I've already seen someone on Tumblr make an AU where Athena is the main character and Franziska is the prosecutor, great minds think alike!
Tbh I kinda want to see the franchise go back to the Manfred von Karma and Blaise Debeste times and deal with a case as a flashback case like they did with the inherited turnabout by the murder of someone like idk Marvin Grossberg and it is dealt by the og main cast of Phoenix and Edgeworth. It can feature insights on Grossberg Law Offices with many attorneys like Hammond, Armando, and perhaps in training Mia in a law school with Lana. This can be dealt by Phoenix segments while on the other hand Edgeworth can handle Edgeworth law offices and PIC segments. We could also get flashback segments with Grossberg leading them (kinda unappealing but idk who else can be chosen). They can also bring back Detective Rip Lacer as a minor culprit or smth. Or maybe an entire spinoff like investigations 3 to take place in this period. We can see Badd's comeback too. This time period has high potential. I personally think they could either go and make it a full Pre IS-7 game or full post DL-6 game.
Edit : We might even see Payne's first defeat in this by perhaps Grossberg and see a little comedic rivalry among them.
Manfred Blaise Gant threesome
Where is Detective Gumshoe
phoenix can't die cuz that would absolutely destroy edgeworth lol i dont wanna see that
Something just needs to happen to Phoenix in AA7 that’s like life changing for him and the rest of the office. say he’s hurt bad and disabled somehow (loses a limb eye because something in a case ex protecting Trucy from a murder attempt) and this negatively his attitude and the office. Or maybe in a coma question, and like it’s life and death until the end episode of AA7.
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I just have a quick question... What program do you use for editing your videos?
I personally wouldn't mind an Ace Attorney 7 Athena Cykes (similar to Ace Attorney 4 Apollo Justice)❤
How does bro not have more subscribers.
I’m pretty sure hes immortal since he’s fallen from a burning bridge and only got a cold
"killing phoenix is a bad idea for the game"
me, who almost killed him in my no dl6 au: ....ah, whoops
(DW HE'S FINE !! just got bonked on the head-)
While Athena being a protagonist is an amazing idea, in all honesty I feel like Apollo should get some time to shine as well, seeing
as he only REALLY got one game, and I really wanna see Klavier again, or at least more often.
I do want more Apollo, but the direction the games took despite them not officially being "apollo's game" just kind of leads me to believe that the completed Apollo's arc even if it wasn't ideal or more dedicated games for him
Honestly, I'm sure this might be an unpopular opinion, but I think the Ace Attorney team should just drop all the characters entirely. Ace Attorney Chronicles did this and it's really the best game in the series.
I love Apollo, and occasionally Athena and Phoenix, but I think it's just time to let them go. Phoenix definitely had his time, and Apollo, while I wish he could stick around, is just way to complicated to deal with now. I wish they could do another actual Apollo Justice game with Trucy and Klavier, but it just doesn't seem possible.
If Athena had a game, then it be the most heartbreaking thing ever, as we'd have to wave goodbye to his honor, our beloved 'udgy. Since Junie would have to be the new judge, and I'm not sure anyone is prepared for that. Not to mention if Athena had a game, well, actually I can't even picture it. She'd have to have a male sidekick, but that's about all I can gleam. She could potentially have a game, because she doesn't really have much going on, so that makes her an ideal candidate I suppose. I just personally wasn't a fan of the mood matrix.
I think that is the direction the series is finally taking, especially with the outcry a bunch of community members have had. I don't agree with abandoning all that the mainline has built towards, just repolish everything and get things to a satisfactory conclusion
My ideas for the future of ace attorney:
- Conclude the story arc Thalassa Apollo Trucy !
- The return of Kristoph I think there is still too much mystery around this character ! Go break his psycho lock lol
- Athena développement ! I have the impression that in SOJ they didn't know how to exploit it....I think there's a lot to tap into with his talent and the psychology aspect that his stuff has. I'm one of the few people who enjoyed her trial in SOJ thanks to the dynamic with Simon so I think it's interesting to see him as a mentor to her.
If she ever has a game named after her and Blackquill is not planned in the story, I would like her assistant to be a male character for change 🤔
- I make people who want to see the return of Franziska ! I haven't been able to play the Investigation games with Miles so I feel like it's been a long time since I last saw her x) We need a relocalisation !
They should do a wine making simulator with barok as the mc
I see the end of The Great Ace Attorney as the beginning of a new story for our protagonists. There is so much to explore for a sequel with these characters !
- A game with Sherlock Holmes and Mikotoba where we follow the start of their adventures (I sant to met Genshin and Klint and young Barok 😭). Or a détective game with Iris and Sholmes ! Maybe during a trip to Japan who knows 👀
- A game with Barok and Kazuma where we see them trying to restore the London's justice system with Gina Lestrade as the detective because there is so much to explore with this character !
(And I admit that I find it interesting to see Kazuma establishing bonds with Sholmes and Iris)
- A game where Susato is the main character ! We know how capable she is! And I think it's time to develop an Ace Attorney game where the main character is a woman x) (I would love to see Rei by her side again! With Ryunosuke too of course ! )
But like you said, the game is unfortunately not as popular as the original franchise so the chance of the chance of this happening is very low 🥲 Delulu is the Solulu 🫡
I think if there is one thing to do it's translate the game into other languages but I don't know if this is possible 🤔