EFAP #4 - "Patrick Explains STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI (And Why It's Great)" Ft. Appabend
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I love how "This is a movie about space wizards intended for children" keeps coming back to haunt Patrick throughout the years.
Pretentious hack deserves it.
He is a jackass so iphe got what he deserved
@@ThatBillmanGuy no shit mi amigo
...and Cosmonaut Variety Hour.
@@SpFlash1523 lol
"The Last Jedi is a cinematic masterpiece filled with incredible imagery, themes and nuanced subtext. A movie that one can only truly comprehend by examining Douglas Hofstadter’s “Strange Loop” theory of the self. Any negative audience reaction can be fully explained by those familiar with Janice Radway's 1984 opus "Reading The Romance" which elucidates the phenomenon of 'Reader Response Theory'."
"Okay, but the plot didn't make any sense."
"UGH, WHY ARE YOU SO ANGRY ABOUT A STUPID MOVIE FOR CHILDREN WITH DUMB SPACE WIZARDS? STOP TAKING IT SO SERIOUSLY."
But WHAT IS Red Car Law?!
Pretty much everyone who defends this movie.
Beautiful 👏
So basically modern videogames?
IT LOOKS SO PRETTY!
The gameplay is boring and the controls are convoluted, the story doesn't make a lick of sense-
IT LOOKS PRETTY!!! AAA+!!!!!
Just wanted to point out that my grandparents who quite literally live on their couch all day and watch hallmark and lifetime movies all day long said they loved the last jedai and because I criticize the movie i apparently made it my “most important thing in life” and i take movies to seriously.
And just also wanted to point out that they also refuse to watch animated movies and movies with “negative plot because it needs to make them feel good and happy” and refuse to watch movies twice.
Pattern I've noticed in just about every Last Jedi defense video: They take forever to actually talk about anything in the movie. It's always like: "To understand my enlightened opinion on Last Jedi, I must first take 46 minutes to talk about the entire history of my life, Lord of the Rings, The Iliad, 1950s Italian cinema, and Rian Johnson's dating history."
These people essentially say that they love Star Wars, but then they make fun of people for caring about Star Wars.
"Ryan Johnson's dating history"...let's not bring fantasy into a serious discussion of The Lord of the Rings and Star Wars!
Yes but condense that down to a 12 minute format because "long man bad"
@@stevenbrule5285 its also funny how they say they love star wars but dont seem to know much about it at all.
That sounds a lot like obscurantism, which is a linguistic method of applying definition with the most ostentatious, pedantic, selfing-aggrandizing language that the one behind them can string together. It's the same strategy used by post-modern "artists" to deceive viewers into believing that their work is profound and revolutionary when it's actually an offensively insipid desecration to even the photons reflecting off of it.
The most ideal use of language is to communicate truth in a way that uplifts those who hear it, but obscurantism is the combined tongue of elitist, passive-aggressive, concerning narcissists. If obscurantism was a person, it would love The Last Jedi.
"The alien milk thing is one of my favorit----"
Each Avatar's green boarder lights up for a solid 50 seconds with insatiable laughter.
Good shit.
I was thinking of the four lights from TNG!!
Wolf faltered a little, though.
I came back to this a year later just for that lmao
It's so damn weird I read your comment exactly as it started.
Titty Elephant "Cow" Alien: [Groans in pleasure and stares.]
"A drunk goblin puts coins in BB-8, and that rules." Wow. All the problems I have with Canto-Bight have suddenly vanished. Unbelievable, the sheer logic of this man.
So Golum was hanging out with BB-8 in a casino...WTF is that not a movie itself, be vastly more worth watching than TLJ.
Gollum Hanging out With BB-8 in a Casino: A Star Wars Story
A Star Wars LOVE Story XD
No, no. You can't have logic. That's a "problem" that makes you watch movies wrong. Just mindlessly experience emotions like you're supposed to.
Agreed, it's like a drunk 1st grader spitballing ideas.
Is this smart?
No! THIS IS PATRICK!
*Crosses arms* "I am not a smart!"
Why is he wearing sunglasses? 🤦♂️
🎶 I wear my suuuunglasses at night🎶
Sunglasses at night? Wesley Snype/Blade did it first and that was cool... This guy is wearing sunglasses indoor and shouting, cursing, swearing at his elderly parents, (about a movie with space-wizards, supposedly aimed at children). Lame is to good a compliment and cringe-inducing is better reserved for someone/thing more meaningful.
Is mayonnaise a plot hole?
"No longer two hours of Hayden Christianson green-screened into bad CGI."
Yet another Patrick quote that aged like fine milk.
I keep seeing people say Poe's actions were "Empty Heroics". He literally saved the entire Resistance, TWICE!!!
FullMetal Bat Yes, but they have to defend (read "rationalise") Holdo's actions and the only way one can do that is by demonising Poe as this insane loose cannon who would just as quickly press the self-destruct button as save his men.
For people who like the movie, it works as a defence. For people who don't (read "people who think") the blatant hollowness of the argument is apparent.
I have also heard TLJ defenders try to argue that Poe's actions could only be considered as a "Pyrrhic Victory", which is defined as "a victory that is not worth winning because so much is lost to achieve it", which is complete horseshit. For the destruction of a Dreadnaught that would have wiped out the Resistance in a few minutes, all that was lost was some unimportant Resistance members and a single wing of shitty bombers.
To draw on my WWII knowledge, a pyrrhic victory would be something like "Operation Bodenplatte". This was the German Luftwaffe's last offensive taken on January 1st, 1945, using the bulk of the Luftwaffe's remaining fighter assets with the intention of breaking Allied air superiority by destroying as many aircraft on the ground as they can. The result was over 200 allied aircraft were destroyed with 150 more damaged (unsure about how many pilots were lost), which sounds like a lot, but those losses were quickly replaced. The Luftwaffe lost over 270 aircraft with about 213 pilots killed, more than 20 of which were valuable formation leaders. They were already running low on supplies and aviators after being beaten down over 4 years of war, and these losses were something that they couldn't replace, leaving them completely crippled for the rest of WWII.
Back to Star Wars, if Poe was in any other movie, he would be seen as a hero, but because he's in TLJ, he's reprimanded for saving the entire Resistance and is told to follow every order even if it leads to everyone's death.
+XIII Hearts Imagine Admiral Nimitz slapping whichever leader had lead the attack that sank the Japanese Yamato during the Pacific War, where the US lost twelve planes and I think a couple destroyers compared to a 70,000 ton-displacing battleship. That is how retarded Leia's bullshit slapping of Poe is. The people who demonize Poe's actions have ZERO understanding of real warfare.
It's even stupider when you realize there was never any hope of the bombers surviving. From the conception of the plan it should have been obvious that even if all the bombers survived to drop their bombs, they're still directly above and within spitting distance of a massive exploding dreadnaught and they apparently have no shields or armor. At the speed they fly at they're supposed to fly away before the explosion or shrapnel hit them? How were they ever supposed to survive?
FullMetal Bat did you forget the opening of force awakens?
"Intended for children" like when Obi-Wan chops off three of Anakin's limbs and then we watch him catch fire alive and screaming? Yeah, that's not going to terrify a six year or anything that may have like Anakin in the first two movies.
Not to mention implied sexual slavery in Return of the Jedi as well as kidnapping, torture and implied rape in Attack of the Clones.
And genocide in Revenge of the Sith. Not implied genocide, but full-on genocide. The only implied part was the child-murder. The rest was shown on-screen as soon as we heard those three words - "Execute Order 66."
Christopher Woodruff It was someone in the anti-TLJ circle (WSBS, MauLer, Wolf, Jeremy, etc, but I can't remember who) said the whole reason ESB was so popular was because it was for kids and incredibly dark at the same time.
It has a technically child friendly setting (adventures in space with wizards) but was much deeper and more exciting than that in reality.
ROTS was the same to me. It had a "kiddy" setting that took itself seriously, made me care, made me and my Sister cry for weeks and rewatch the DVD ad nauseum.
Avatar TLA is another example of a "Kids" show that treated it's viewers like adults.
Star Wars has always been more than it's setting and for this balding cunt to pretend it is anything as simple as "Lol wizards in space!!!" is a blatant lie.
Pre-Disney, how many dismemberments did we have per film?
Dr. Hyde I actually used to be unable to watch revenge of the sith, it was too scary for younger me.
So Patrick dislikes Biggs and Porkin because they're established characters, but loves the sister of a character whose name we didn't even hear in the film because...she sacrificed herself, as if the two characters he dismissed didn't have those same characteristics?
Umm...what?!
Alex Kennard actually, we saw the mc, Luke, caring about them.
So we have more connection to them than to nameless asian girl.
@@denkerbosu3551 Damn, you're right. So Paige brings even less to the story as a whole... and yet Patrick, somehow, read this complexity into her. I honestly think he only gave Paige such depth simply for the fact that she was a woman.
What? You don't feel attached to her just because she's a WOMAN OF COLOR?
I bet you're one of those manbabies who cry about "logic" or "consistency".
Like, I can undersand Porkins. He didn't get much development far as I recall from ANH, but Biggs gets more screentime than bomber-chick and we do see there's a relationship between him and Luke. Either he's just awarding novelty points for a female pilot and the atrocious bombers (the Resistance have Y-Wings, right? And let's not forget X-Wings can carry torpedoes, essentially serving as fighter-bombers), which is shallow but eh. That or he's letting his political leanings color his judgement of the characters, which is just... Iunno how to put it, it's a bit too biased.
I'll be honest, I'm pretty glad we see female pilots for the Resistance/Rebels. When you're pressed, you need every warm body you can for the grinder after all. But that's a nice detail and not something I'd let influence my opinion of the movie.
This is a huge presumption, but it's always safer to assume that with these types of people that there is always an ulterior motive. Case in point, Biggs and Porkin are white males, Paige Tico is an Asian Woman. You do the math.
You know what my first thought was during the casino scene? Why were all these different alien species wearing human styled tuxedos? Not tuxedo inspired, literal tuxedos.
Because renting tuxes is cheaper than paying wardrobe to sew new costumes. Even though their dream was to design new outfits.
They're trying so hard to shove their new aliens in our faces
lazyness thats why
Creative bankruptcy
@@cecilofchristmaspast4186 That's the Rian Johnson way!
Patrick on TLJ: “don’t get upset about a movie about space wizards for children”
Patrick on TRoS: “HOW F*CKING DARE YOU JJ!?”
He lived long enough to become the angry man ranting
“You either die a hero, or you live long enough to become the angry ranting man on UA-cam.”
-Patrilbo Waggins
Yesh hese disney shills LOVE being hypocrites
@@clonetrooper2003 Have to be, have you seen what Disney puts out lately?
@@mrbigglezworth42 no???.
"Of course she can use the force She is a goddamn Skywalker"
NO! THATS NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS.
Leia has FORCE SENSITIVITY, that means she can be a force user if she start training.
The force is more a martial art than a superpower, you don`t born a force user you train to become one, just because she has force sensitivity doesn`t mean she is a force user the same way I`m not a boxer just because I have hands
Technically everybody could use the force before, the reason that Jedi and Sith sought out force sensitives was because force sensitives already had an opening to the force and so could be trained in it, if you took some guy who wasn't force sensitive maybe they could learn some of the force but by the time they "opened" themselves up most of their life would have already passed. In the EU there were some cases of "artificial" force users that could use it using technology but doing so was incredibly rare and resulted in very limited use
Let me put it this way, if you wanted to train a professional football player would you pick someone like Patrick or the burly black dude in high-school who is already playing football? You could train Patrick and he would know how to play football (American for all you brits) but if you spent that time training the black dude you would have much better results by the end
@@thewaterguy17 The statement about anyone capable of being trained to use the force is new canon only, as in legends the only way to use the force is to be born force sensitive or receive the force artificially (usually a powerful, trained force sensitive draining a force nexus and infusing others with it, i.e. Valley of the Jedi in Jedi Outcast and the Scepter of Ragnos from Jedi Academy.)
Other than artificial infusion, I cannot think of a legends instance of force users outside of those born with it.
@@SoftisNelaris There were ways to "artificially" become force sensitive such as the reborn but that was the only exception, and people seem to not understand something really clever, being force sensitive was not an objectively good thing, HK-47 mentioned that non-force sensitives were ideal for hunting jedi (and maybe sith) because they could be trained to become immune to being sensed through the force, this new canon is really garbage by just throwing all that out
@@thewaterguy17 are you implying biological differences between people exist. kinda racist bro.
1:07:22 I literally burst out laughing along with them, and I almost never legitimately laugh out loud while watching a video.
Theman Joe I died at this part! XD
I was hurting trying not to laugh out loud in the library.
"That milk scene was awful."
"YOU'RE NOT MY FRIEND ANYMORE!!!"
Me too. Made my day haha.
Same XD
I'm not even the biggest hater of the milking scene but holy hell was that whole laugh about his praise for it hilarious. I'M DEAD.
It was perfect: It was like they said, "Watch out, Jar Jar, there's a pile of poop right there," and he goes, "MESA LUUVE THE POOPIE!" and cannonballs into it.
Luke grew up on a moisture farm, so that wasn't the first, second or even third time he did something like that.
Now I'm tempted to make a version of the mega milk meme with that... thing, just for Patrick's sake.
Why?
I swear even me and my Dad had to do a double take when that milking scene happened.
We even made a joke after the fact saying how that scene is a perfect representation of what Disney's doing with Star Wars.
Fighterpilot guy gets demoted because he looses 8 minor ships, taking out a fleet destroyer. Meanwhile on planet Elsewhere, Hodo Purplehair is hailed as the greatest leader, while losing the biggest ship that they got, plus pretty much everyone except a handful of people.. Yes!
Makes sense if you were a failure of a military and government that can't go a few years without a galactic scale war, haha.
Foileedify The issue is the scale. Yes they lost only about 8 bombers, but those were all the bombers that they had. And at the time no one knew that the First Order could track them through hyperspace. (I did enjoy TLJ in case you didn’t notice. I will admit that the film has a few flaws.)
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@@DS-tv2fi My issue with the bombers is why can't Leia just call them and tell them to not listen to Poe and retreat? Like, he shuts her off... and apparently everyone else can't hear her? Why is it set up like that? Why can't the General contact anyone she needs to contact in the fleet, why make Poe a beacon, what if he goes down or he decides to shut her off like that? What a hunk of bullshit for the sake of drama.
@@DeepEye1994 That is a plot hole.
Doesn’t make the bombers themselves bad. (Even if the bombers are bad, which they may or may not be.)
The Last Jedi subverts your expectations because you were expecting the hero's journey, not a string of constant failures that allow Mary Sue to make like a corporate board member and fail upwards. The theme of failure directly ties in to the movies getting progressively worse.
Meh Solo wasn't worse than TLJ otherwise people would still be talking about it.
Thank you.
It subverts our expectations because we expected it to be good.
IT'S METAAAAAAAAAAAA!
I like the theme of failure but the characters still have to have their hero's journey. Rey never failed. If she did, we could have the theme and the journey. Everyone wins :)
So Patrick belittles the idea of Luke Skywalker being a super saiyan (something no one wanted anyway), and praises the depiction of Leia as a super saiyan. That's pathetically inconsistent for someone who wants to be taken seriously as a movie critic.
It's okay though because she's a wahmen and if you disagree you are sexist.
Leia’s force power is convoluted
He couldn't cut it in the movie industry so he looks for validation on his shitty channel as a hypocritical, pseudo-intellectual armchair critic.
Except that Leia can't shoot plasma beams and Saiyan can't survive in space.
Kevin Fowler Thankfuly Patric himself has said that he isn’t a critic.
You can tell all of Patrick's critics have gotten under his skin, he's a prime example of a smug yuppy who had nothing but confirmation bias all his life, so when someone who he thinks is lesser than him counters his points he starts to lash out.
"WHAT?! The plebs think they're smarter than me! ONE MILLION YEARS DUNGEON!" (RIP Adventure Time)
Himiko Toga, lol
The fucking titty milk shows it so fucking badly. He is so full of himself he believes that because he thinks it's right it's true. It's ridiculous.
@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 Somehow Lemongrab is less annoying to listen to than Patrick Williams
The fact that he has a superiority complex yet also accuses people of being racists and sexists really doesn’t make sense.
"I love how it addresses how the Jedi aren't perfect" Um do you remember how Luke's arc is literally him being a Jedi despite being emotional. Him rejecting the dark side even after Vader tries to manipulate him is hero moment lmao.
How the entire crux of the Prequel Trilogy was the Jedi becoming stagnant/complacent to the point that a Sith Lord rose up right under their nose and took over the Galaxy before wiping them out? Just because TLJ is the first time it was out and out verbalized as "their fault" doesn't mean that the point wasn't pretty clear in those films as it happened.
It kind of emphasizes why I think this movie fails: where the other trilogies could subtly (if clumsily) show their themes and points through the story progression, this film has to say its points outright because the on-screen action is so contradictory or otherwise unrelated: "We don't need heroes like you right now Poe" "Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love" "The Jedi were vain and best forgotten" "The Past only holds you back" "You come from nothing, but you can be more"
None of the themes in TLJ are ones that its actual script competently carries through. People like to talk on and examine the prequels because as shoddily constructed as they were, their ideas were conveyed without being in your face, so reading into the content to find them let you contextualize the information if you found it but also didn't matter if you missed it. This film has to explicitly spell out every theme it can think of to hope the audience interprets the incoherent events around it to make sense of things for the writer.
@@papershadow Shoddily constructed?
Blasphemy.
@@papershadow Okay, interesting point, but have you considered...
PrEqUeLs BaD!!!11!
Should've been like Legends Luke's New Jedi Order.
Not to mention that he refused to kill his father as Obi-Wan and Yoda commanded him to do. He instead redeemed his father and he fulfilled his destiny as the Chosen One by killing himself and Palpatine.
The whole video is basically:
You're a loser if you don't like this thing i like and my film degree says i am.
...am right
Wait, what?!
He has a film degree and _still_ thought going through with this video would be okay?
That's like predicting a train wreck three weeks in advance and saying: "Nah, it's fine. Let them die."
@@TheQuashingoftheTub Film degrees these days are probably more identity politics crap.
@Kheops IV I agree. Patrick is merely expressing ideas that were put into his head by the authority figures at whatever university he attended. He probably didn't spend a single second questioning the validity of what he was being taught. It's not surprising that this is the end result of that expensive indoctrination experience.
The Last Jedi is like if The Two Towers opened with Frodo throwing the One Ring away, turning around and abandoning the Fellowship and the quest to head back to the Shire. It subverts expectations for no good clear reason than to be different. Stupid, but also different.
"We finally got to see what life for the 1% is like"
Were the royals on Naboo only up to the top 5%? We've seen what a life of luxury is like in Star Wars before. Hell, given how the Empire basically controlled the whole galaxy for a time and thus had dominion over its resources, you could argue that Sidius was the ultimate 1%. He had deep enough pockets to build an artificial moon...twice.
Like it's nice they're trying to expand on the lore I guess but the whole scene on the casino planet with strict parking rules could honestly have been skipped entirely and it wouldn't have made much of a difference.
'Strict parking rules' lmao. What was confusing was the slamming into the beach implies that they landed as quick as possible to get to the master hacker. So an element of hurry is needed... they then fuck around for at least an hour in total (in universe) talking about Sporces and shit. Then getting jailed. Rampaging. Etc.
Why couldn't they just fucking park somewhere? If they crashed and that ruined the ship, why ride back to it? If it wasn't broken in the crash, why not get back in and park it. The oddly southern gentlealien claims he told them not to park there.
Leia is royalty and Holdo sashays around in a ball gown.
@Grapthar's Hebrew Hammer It wouldn't. If Finn and Rose remained on the resistance ship, nothing would have changed. Other resistance ships would have been blown up. Holdo would have done that lore breaking hyperspace ram. They would have landed on the salt planet. The biggest change would be that the stupid "We should save what we love not fight what we hate" line might not have been said.
And why are you saying I'm advocating for cutting the entirety of The Last Jedi when I'm very very very clearly talking about the casino subplot. Read the words on the screen with your eyes and use your brain to interpret them. At 0 point did I mention cutting the entire movie out of existence.
1:43:00 - I would argue that "killing the past" or "letting it die" is not the way to move forward. That's taking a very toxic, careless attitude that none of your past experiences matter and its better to just forget all of it rather than live up to it or push it further. And this mentality sits at the very core of everything I hate about The Last Jedi.
A wiser philosophy is to honor the past and learn from it without clinging to it. Your past will always define you to some extent, but rather than stubbornly trying to keep living in the past, one should always remember what has come before and let that be a guide for how to move forward. History of any sort, be it good or bad, personal or worldly, real or fictional, should be regarded with reverence. Forget the past and you are doomed to repeat it, or fall into something worse.
i think the attempted message was how you shouldn't let the past control you or define you because you can't change the past (as much as certain far leftist want to try) but you can change who you are going forward...which THAT message is a good one...but that's not what's being said...it's also a line that rings painfully hollow when as of late the only way for disney's starwars to succeed is to bank on nostalgia because so far nothing that they've made of their own has really obtained the same level of success, so the line "kill the past" gets parroted by sycophants while disney simultaneously tries to rope people in with the same past
It's political. You have to leave behind those retrogade traditions and the death people baggage in order to progress.
What is the most important step a man can take? The next, always the next...
yep like in fallout new vegas old world blues dlc were if you did the good ending and all content of the dlc it goes on to explain what old world blues means to be stuck in the past idolizing and forever chasing it but being blinded to the present and future and how its opposite new world hope is about excepting the past to learn from it and build your own way to a better future
As far as Luke knows he is an orphan; his relatives are his Aunt and Uncle and he knows there is a father-shaped gap in his life. Then he learns Vader killed his father and, and then he learns Vader *is* his father. Meanwhile, as far as Leia is concerned, Bail Organa is her father and always has been.There is no hole in her life to fill. And then she actually witnesses Vader and Tarkin kill her father by blowing up the planet he was on. Of course she doesn't have the same relationship with Vader even once learning he is her biological parent.
The revelation that Darth Vader was her father has had an extremely profound effect on Leia.3
Realizing that her own father tortured her and disintegrated her home planet, exterminating most of her people and her family, and with darkness beginning to slowly invade her dreams, Leia reaches out to the only person she knows who can provide answers, Luke.
With Luke as her master, Leia begins to learn the ways of the force and discovers the origin of her nightmares, coming face to face with her past and her future.
Just thought I would use your comment as inspiration for a little blurb pitch and an excuse to ramble. Thank you for the excuse.
I always wondered whether the hint from Darth Vader about turning Leia could actually be seen through.
Luke comes to terms with his Father because he senses the good within him and is determined to redeem him, in his own eyes if no one else's.
Leia, on the other hand, doesn't have that opportunity, to see the great man that her Father was and/or became.
It would have been powerful cinema to watch such an emotionally strong and balanced character, loved by all, to fail to reconcile her and her fathers past.
Could Leia ever truly forgive?
Could she ever forget the horror and the anguish in those moments that she was forced to helplessly watch as her family are torn from existence and then to realize that it was all by her own father?
What effects would this have on her training and her relationship with Luke?
Can Luke sense the conflict within Leia?
What effects would all of this have on Leia's relationship with Han, or with The New Republic?
Would it be the ultimate dirty secret for years to come, or would the news sweep the galaxy and Leia is proclaimed as the Heiress to the Empire?
Becoming the new face of The Empire after dedicating her life to trying to destroy it, all because of the curse of her lineage. Could that alone be enough for The New Republic to crumble as quickly as it was born?
All of this wasted time, and for what? Token characters that have no substance and the utter destruction of the beloved characters that made the saga the juggernaut that it was, and could still be...
Can we redeem Star Wars?
Is there still good within?
I still think so.
Sorry if this didn't pique your interest, I'll try harder.
Sean Hayes that was awesome why on earth did we not get this? It would have filled Kathleen’s weird obsession with trying to force a misandrist narrative into this. Have leia be the one to connect with Rey and teach her. We could get so much depth out of that. And Han could be searching for Luke and we could have focused on what Luke was doing during the force awakens which would have been researching things I don’t care what that insane maniac major lee says
Also why does kylo ren worship Vader? That would have been some great characterization. We’re told he idolizes and wants to be strong like Vader but we get no reasons Vader didn’t want to burn things down he wanted to maintain peace
Malachi Dunn Unfortunately everything that was built was stripped away and then they used the foundations to construct an ugly monstrosity that only serves to mock the original and feed off the hate and disgust that doing this creates within the community.
Exactly what Palpatine did to the Jedi Temple.
@@williamshelton4318 Pretty messed up. But you didn't mention that Leia's home planet was destroyed and she was imprisoned, with Vader there to question her.
"It's for children" has to be the dumbest argument ever.
Half of Patrick's arguments seem to just be red herrings, or even strawmen, to distract from what's actually being discussed.
Edit: 1:18:00
I now think it's a troll video too.
not only its dumb but it's the one who make me genuinely angry, even if it was for children, so what ? does that mean we have to feed our child irrational retarded shit ?
@@velessia4840 "Educate" them when they're young, reward them for focusing on the dangling keys. Destroy good writing and critical thinking, force them to happily accept whatever shit they're fed and you can control the masses with ease.
Patrick Willems is the perfect example of it.
It’s like they think kids are stupid, Jesus the kid shows I use to watch were deeper and more mature than I thought when I look back at em
That's a weak argument in my opinion. If we judged movie based on that logic, then The Emoji Movie wouldn't have gotten an abundance of negative reviews.
I’m pretty angry that he thinks children should be fed shit. If I were a child I would be horrified, and utterly offended by his argument. Children aren’t stupid, just inexperienced. This speaks to just what an asshole this Patrick figure is.
1:07:20 - The best bit of this stream.
A regular Plumbus I'm eating solo in a restaurant having lunch, headphones in years, losing my shit at a tiny ass table because that was the funniest thing I've ever heard.
As a result of this, I cried, hurt my stomach muscles and hurt my shoulders from spamming trying to contain myself.
On 1:07:22, MauLer was Dying, Appabend was on life support, Wolf was standing on top of Death's welcome mat, and the chat was already dead. I think it's accurate to call this Manslaughter.
I braced for this moment after seeing your timestamp, but I melted down with them anyway 💀
Patrick:This is a Movie about Space Wizards meant for children
Me: I hold Films and stories meant for children to a higher standard than I do for teens/adults because they help teach values and morals to children
In addition to that, thinking about stories is often how children learn to think, so stories intended for children should encourage thinking, not punish it.
The prequels were a fantastic idea that was executed poorly.
The sequels are a fundamentally flawed and weak idea executed poorly.
Lucas dropped the ball, Kathleen, JJ & Rian still haven't found the ball.
Akroma Martell No they found the ball but Rian tossed it over the fence, JJ is the poor sucker who has to get it back since he was the one that fumbled it to begin with.
Considering that Episode VII picks up from a place that makes no sense from where VI left off (without some future movie or something to explain how the fuck we got back to the beginning of IV) and is just really lame, I can't agree that they ever found the ball.
Akroma Martell Who knows they might find the ball this time, after all they’ll need all the help they can get to fix their own mess.
Great analogy Akroma Martell. Very much agree.
I've always felt the prequels were akin to a high school production of Shakespeare... the sequels, a professional production of a 12 year old's fanfiction.
"a professional production of a 12 year old's fanfiction" directed by a spoiled child that's all jacked up on Mountain Dew.
"Star wars episode 6 gave us nothing new" Like the galactic underworld of the galaxy on tantoiine with rancors and freaking force lightning. But if your busy shilling you can miss some stuff
Not to mention new planets, new aliens, new vehicles, new lore.
Meeting the emperor for the first time.
Are we absolutely sure that Patrick's channel is not a parody?
Doutsoldome he does have the Doug Walker manchild hat.
Maybe he is parodying those?
I’m gonna go into every single one of his videos with this mindset from now on
no, it's got to be. it's GOT to be. nobody is that tone-deaf.
"A lot of people have misunderstood Luke Skywalker for a long time."
Guess Mark Hamill must have been one of them, Patrick, because he sure doesn't agree with what they did to his character.
If the sequels were never made, and someone asked him if Luke was like his tlj character, he would say no
Mauler end of 2018: It’s not supposed to be a 5 hour podcast every time
EFAP 2020: average of about 11 hours
So what he told you was true. From a certain point of view
@@HerohammerStudiosa certain point of view ?
"Objectivity is objective, in my subjectively subjective opinion."
-Bilbo Baggins
Patrick’s defence of this movie is so bizarre that you can’t even get mad at it, it’s both hilarious and nonsensical at the same time.
I agree about the defense itself, but the way he insults people that disagree with him made me pretty angry.
It's hilarious *because* it's nonsensical.
The issue is, he's so pompous and people agree with him.
"Patrick eplains star wars: the last jedi (and why it's great)"
or better known as
"continuous super mario death sound"
1:07:15 Everyone's laughter is gold. My god Patrick has no shame or sense.
Less than 5 hours? Guess I should watch it twice then
Watch it three times, you won't be bored.
Nah, try 0.5 speed.
At least, do it okay the way you'll do it... But three times, without being bored.
Patrick’s defense of the Last Jedi is honestly the most pathetic defense of a movie I have ever seen.
I 2nd that.
That’s the usual way debates go with most TLJ apologists, every argument you make to them is either a nitpick, doesn’t matter for the plot of the film or you’re making things up despite it all being on the contrary.
It's hard picking between him and Full McIntosh
Sad that the only good defence was......was......shit i don t know. All of them either talk about themes or just don t make good arguments.
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There was a draft of ROTJ where Obi-Wan and Yoda actually become flesh again, and fight Vader and Palpy alongside Luke, but Lucas wisely decided THAT WAS A TERRIBLE IDEA, and that force ghosts shouldn't have any physical power. So he may have had that in mind when he wrote the "more powerful" line, but he changed his mind, thank fuck.
You guys are just jealous that Patrick has better tastes in kinks than you.
One of then i a furry.....how do you win yo that.
Greg Rothschilds, Patrick is using Reader Response Theory.
Remember his plug in the video?
It’s all connected!!
Please don't associate the word "taste" with this particular kink... 🤢
Patrick has all the cool fetish’s
As a Transformation and Alabama kink (not irl, obviously), I consider myself superior
That's genuinely an interesting idea for a Star Wars movie. For decades the Republic has been unable to solve any problems of the outer rim. The Empire was toppled and nothing changed. Perhaps it's even gotten worse without the strong imperial bureaucracy. Leia and an increasingly disillusioned Han hunt the remnants of the Empire like dogs across the galaxy, only to find that various systems hate the Republic and are sympathetic to the old empire. Uprisings break out in support of the old empire, perhaps with several of Luke's students caught in the middle of it.
In this way we bridge the gap and we witness the failures of previous generations inherited by the new characters.
Ironically, it makes the Rebellion the secret bad guys in this story.
Unfortunately the new canon smothered that potential in its crib. After the Battle of Jakku, one year after the victory at Endor, the Empire was completely defeated, the few remnants left retreated into the Unknown Regions, the New Republic almost immediately demilitarized to not appear like the Empire, and there were no uprisings or wars or warlords filling the power vacuum or any widespread violence whatsoever, the galaxy was in total peace until Ben became Kylo Ren and the First Order appeared.
Because of course Disney would fuck that up, too. Who needs an Imperial Warlord era or any sense of coherent worldbuilding based on realism?
Perhaps as Luke’s Jedi apprentices go to deal with the uprisings or to hunt down the remnants of the empire, they start to see the plight of the people they’re sworn to protect and feel like monsters for hunting down a beaten and fleeing enemy. Several of them come up with a plan to leave the new Jedi order and align themselves with the empire sympathizers to turn against the republic. The organizer of this? Ben Solo, who feels particularly ashamed about the problems he’s seeing with the new republic because it’s his family that led the rebellion to victory. Perhaps he becomes swayed to the dark side when he loses some battle to protect innocents and blames Luke and the light side path for not making him stronger.
Now we’ve got a sympathetic reason for Ben’s obsession with becoming more powerful, an explanation for why apprentices other than Ben turned against the New Jedi Order, a way that an army could be built to oppose the Republic, an insight into the class disparity of the governmental system and Galaxy that doesn’t require Canto Bight, and a reason for Luke to be broken without him having to try to murder a child.
Addendum: In Empire, Yoda criticizes Luke for always looking to the future instead of the present. Since Ben and the others betrayed him, Luke has been dwelling on the past. This is a great excuse for a little bit of parallelism (ahem, “poetry, it rhymes”) from ghost Yoda interacting with Luke, in a way that could reignite Luke to wanting to train a new student. Now we’ve got a nostalgia boner, that parallelism everyone wants, Yoda behaving like Yoda, and Luke being brought back to his old self by his own master instead of some random and realizing the importance of a good master.
"This movie is meant for children to love. I love this movie!" This says a lot about this guy
One like? Mama I made it
You have a total of 10 likes now, cherish them always
Patrick went full hbomberguy on this video. It wasn't enough just to focus on the strengths of the film; he had to claim that everything people hated about it was actually good. Because of course, The Last Jedi was already complete in its incompleteness.
1:31:30
I have to cut in here and ask the simple question
What stopped Luke from evolving it?
What stopped Luke from going "hey clearly the old ways didn't work as they created darth Vader and also I clearly won by embracing my emotions at points, let's rewrite this" LIKE HE DID IN OLD EU
Steve Jones Gaming Because then Rey would have no reason to be in the story...
...Wait...
@@Longshanks1690 have her be the prodigy who picks up and exemplifies those qualities naturally, thus her finding her place in all this
Because Rian wanted Luke to be an old hermit, so that he wouldn't overshadow Rey. Also, you know, something like that requires worldbuilding, meaningful character development and a story that isn't riddled with problems. Stuff that Rian seems incapable of doing, at least for SWTLJ.
@@Birthday888 So... No actual reason why he couldn't besides "we wanted Rey to do it"
@@SteveJonesGamingGWO Pretty much. I mean, do you know how much extra work it would've been for Riam to make Luke, Luke? Marginally more then it would take for him to care about Star War's past or future.
"We don't need to see Snoke: A Star Wars Story to know what that guy's deal is"
YES WE DO
[need an explanation for Snoke in 7 or 8 that is... not actually a prequel.]
I think Snoke might be my single biggest problem with these movies, because nothing else does quite as much to utterly shatter the sense of verisimilitude (thanks for the word Rags) of the sequels' world. He's just Palpatine over again without even an attempt at an explanation or excuse, and as you guys point out, he's the driver of nearly every aspect of the trilogy's plot.
I physically can't remain invested in a story where major characters, when killed, immediately respawn with a different name and no excuse or backstory whatsoever. Like, I can turn off my brain pretty good when I want to.... but I'm literally incapable of looking past that kind of stupidity. He's a personification of possibly the laziest writing I've ever witnessed.
EDIT: you know, I was like "meh" when Patrick broke out the "space wizards intended for children" argument to say you shouldn't get mad. Weak argument, but whatever. But then he deploys that again to defend against the hyperspace kamikaze -- the biggest logical mistake in the history of the franchise, but it doesn't matter because it's intended for children (of course, it shouldn't matter anyway because logic doesn't matter anyway, right Patrick?)
Except we dont
@@matthewlugo2417 Well I'll give you points for gumption.
@@gogglebrains the thing is there is no point to have a spin off story with him cause hes dead
+Matthew Lugo Agreed. The critical window for explaining Snoke in an elegant and purposeful way has closed.
I really meant "YES WE DO" in response to Patrick's rhetorical point that we don't need Snoke explained, rather than tryna say we need an actual Snoke prequel. That's my bad for being unclear.
What makes it worse that if Rian had taken the time, or a better writer had also been involved with the creative process, they could've done something different with Snoke. Make him the puppetmaster, pulling everyone's strings while presenting Hux and Kylo as the figureheads of the First Order. Maybe make him specialize in the mental manipulation that Force Users have been shown to do, forcibly twisting people to his side through the sheer force of his power. Creating Sleeper agents, so that the main cast can't trust anybody, not even themselves. Make him something different from another evil dictator. Would it be that hard?
I have a harder and harder time believing that these "TLJ is supergreat!!1" people are not self-aware trolls...
So I've noticed this weird trend in internet film criticism. Critics oftentimes build a character for themselves, and those characters tend to be caricature versions of themselves used for jokes and sketch comedy. And that's all fine in the beginning when they're starting out and building their audience. As they keep going they focus on making their content funnier, and in the process start relying more on sketch comedy and that caricature self. But as the sketches start to get longer, they get a lot less funny and they seemingly lose themselves in the caricature, almost like Black Swan or something. It happened to Nostalgia Critic and it seems that's what's happened to Patrick.
It's just so frustrating to watch someone act like they have the moral high ground while fake punching people who disagree with plastic hulk hands. And I guess it makes sense why he cares so much for a movie he claims only kids should like, given how he acts like one. Telling people that you don't want to be friends with them or just shouting that their wrong without any real evidence to back up your statements is elementary school behavior. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if his next video was him saying MauLer and Co. have cooties or something.
PS In what world was The Last Jedi the biggest movie of 2017? That's the same year we got Logan, It, Coco, and Baby Driver, films TLJ can't even hold a candle to, and yet it's the biggest movie? No, just no.
Biggest doesn't mean best. None of those comets with TLJ. Sadly it's infamous rather than famous but we say that it was not huge.
It's a sad trend. I still find a lot of NC's early, pre-sketch content genuinely funny and worthwhile... but the vast majority of episodes I'd watched over the past few years were hard to watch.
JonTron went through a similar awkward phase when he moved to a set, though in my opinion he pulled out of that and some of his more recent content is some of his best (Disney Bootlegs and Flextape particularly).
I never watched Angry Joe early on, but it seems he's been in the "just enough budget for awful sketches" phase for many years.
@@bigrabii9470 What comets?
@@josephporta7037 Thank you!
@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 I'll slap you. Competes or compared was what I mean to write.
One of the reasons I love the EU so much is because Luke DID evolve the Jedi Order. There were Jedi that used dark side powers, but were firmly on the light. The Jedi married. They actually evolved, and it was what made me love the Order so much.
It's annoying how many people don't understand this
It's quite striking how Patrick in an earlier video talked about what good movie criticism was, and in this video almost seem to go out of his way to be all the things he criticized. There is no elaboration on why he likes something, no talk of camera movement, why the cinematography is great, absolutely nothing. Not only is Patrick incapable of making a coherent argument, but he's also the most incredible hypocrite constantly doing exactly what he criticizes other people for doing.
Nah bro he doesn't need to so all that stuff the review isn't written
The fact that he's just called 'patrick' and sounds like a schmuck is like we're dealing with a giant 8 year old.
As mauler said, criticsm applies only when it's not their sacred cow.
Based on this video and his last video, I'm starting to think that Patrick is nothing more than an Art House Critic. His opinion is based on feelings and having a contradicting opinion.
I've dealt with people who have a snobbish personality similar to Patrick here. He just wants to be right. It doesn't matter how strong your arguments are against him, he will shoot you down because the thing he likes makes him *feel* good.
Alex Kennard You're talking about a man who thinks Plot holes aren't legitimate criticisms of movies.
Of course he is ruled by emotion.
@@Longshanks1690 I still can't believe he said that. I hope to God he makes a video about all the movies he hates just so that people like MauLer, Dishonored Wolf, and Appabend can use his own broken arguments against him.
He seems incredibly closed minded to me.
Art house critics have LESS patience for patrick's style of nonsense.
They covered this on September 11th. Fitting.
Finding you here is a pleasant surprise
1:07:22 - I come back to this video often just to re-watch this bit. It's so funny, man...
Is this guy wearing sunglasses all the time so we can't see how obvious it is that his facial expressions give away that he's not even himself believing his nonsense?
He's probably drunk.
it is probally to hide his eyes
I am sure that this point has been brought up before, but perhaps... Yoda's quote (The "theme.") is actually correct. Failure is the best teacher, he says, and this movie is such a failure that it has been an excellent teacher regarding the do's and do nots of good writing. Not what they were aiming for, I'm sure, but still.
I've watched about 10+ hours of dissecting this film now. Every single time, from Wolf to Mauler to Plinkett, there a new points of criticism that I hadn't heard before, and are completely valid. Especially with this vid, I have now, ironically, gained a lot more joy indirectly because the film exists (and, particularly, is absolute nonsensical trash). It's truly bizarre when I think about it.
@@SilvethTheRadiant Same here, and I have to admit, it was time well spent! Out of those three you mentioned, I think I have seen Maulers 5+ hour videos the most, and I have to agree, between the three aforementioned channels as well as others I have watched, it is just mind boggling how much there is both to cover and what one can miss during a single disastrous film.
Kamran Pasha, a professional screenwriter, confirmed that he and many other screenwriters in Hollywood think The Last Jedi has one of the worst scripts ever written.
Well, that brings me a lot of joy and relief to read. I mean, it isn't a difficult conclusion to come to by any stretch of the imagination, but just so. :)
Bomber design flaws. Love it. They're just made of explodium and held together with snot and hope.
Their engines are just big snails strapped their rear sides, that's why they're so slow.
I have never laughed so hard at someone’s reason for liking a movie. This guy literally loves everything that is wrong and silly about this movie. He is a joke
1:47:00 Mauler just predicted Episode 9 Kylo character arc almost exactly haha... Just wrong person dying
"Strike me down and I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" is a reference to the fact that killing Obi-Wan will only lead to the downfall of the Empire through Luke and those around him. I'm pretty sure it wasn't a reference to actual power but to the power of an idea. It's like monks setting themselves on fire in protest or a man who refuses to bend the knee and inspires others over the generations.
Jesus, Patrick makes Doug Walker seem competent.
What’s wrong with Doug Walker at the time you made this comment?
@@austinjohnsen4430 basically he mismanage TGWTG hard and it came to bite him in the ass when Damien wrote his comment
Some random guy from the beyond I stoped watching him a long time ago. However I did see his Disneycember video on TLJ and he seems to imply in it that it’s strange that people are mad about Luke running away and hiding and giving up when Yoda did the same thing, except not exactly because Yoda had plans to train the next generation.
@@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821 whats tgwtg
@@raam726 that guy with the glasses
I'm waiting for episode 9 to start with Luke Skywalker appearing, looking extremely refreshed and invigorated, with his wife Mara Jade. He'll comment that he went outside the galaxy, and found himself cut off from the force, but he hopes that nothing went too far awry. His hitherto unknown Clone, Luuk Skywalker, had been left in charge of the jedi academy while he was away, and he didn't see any reason to worry anyone with his leaving. Seeing the state everything is in, he gives Rey the most rigorous training ever before seen, and she earns her powers from a Jedi Master.
Boy, do I have news for you
I don't know why people parrot this line, "Star Wars is intended for kids". Star Wars wasn't made for kids, that's just factually incorrect. I'm pretty sure this idiotic argument started with that Star Wars Celebration interview with Lucas. If people would actually take the time to watch that interview in context instead of blindly parroting the line, they'd understand they're just completely wrong.
Lucas didn't make a kids movie. He modeled the story off of the structure of myths and legends in the sense that they can be teaching tools. Teaching tools that can be understood by all on a human level. When Lucas said "...This is a film for 12 year olds", he didn't literally mean it's for kids. Immediately after that line he explains, that at 12 years old, you're growing up and everything is changing for you. You're slowly becoming a young adult, and stepping out into the world more. The films serve as life lessons and guidelines for that point in a persons life.
know what every 12 year old loves in their Star Wars movies? Senate discussions about trade embargoes.
Its a movie about genocide body mutilation and politics. All that considered it is surprisingly kid friendly for the most part but It clearly is not merely a kids movie, unless its a really messed up kids movie. Lucas said it sure but can we all agree Lucus clearly doesnt get his own franchise? if he did the prequels would have been good.
@@brendancoulter5761 They are. Yes, in 12 years you can see burning man. It teaches you what happens if you choose evil path to get what you want. Yes, politics are necessary to show falling of the Republic, as you become more adult, you rewatch them to understand all context of the story, while kids watch just action.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p so it's for everyone then, not just kids
@@waterhose8467 Yep. That is what for kids means.
Lucas said "It rhymes" exactly once and it was in during the production of Attack of the Clones in reference to once scene in the movie mirroring another scene in the same movie. It wasn't a ride or die point and isn't a philosophy with which he makes movies.
I don't know, the amount of times he just copies scenes from the OT in the prequel movies tells me he actually considers it a philosophy to live by.
I love how these guys hate criticism of their favorite movie but we prequel fans had to endure years and years of hate. They thought Disney was "bringing Star Wars back" and everyone was on board, and they can't stand that that isn't the case.
KwameAdu 007 It’s only okay when the prequels get shit on, don’t get me wrong they are still terrible films (except ROTS) but at least they had some substance.
@@RogueFox2185 While I don't agree that the prequels are terrible, you're right they had substance. They were a commentary on our society and the human condition. These new movies are so shallow. Really? "Failure is the greatest teacher" is something deep? Meanwhile your main character has never failed or learned for that matter. What a joke.
The prequels are just shitty Greek tragedies. The sequels are just corporate cash grabs.
KwameAdu 007 this meme was perfect.
Prequel fans when people meme the prequels: Palpatin smirking.
Sequel fans when people meme the sequels: Rey try to act as if she was crying.
@@RogueFox2185 "It’s only okay when the prequels get shit on, don’t get me wrong they are still terrible films"
A) Mocking prequel hate and then going right on to hate on the prequels in the same sentence? Do you proof-read your writing?
B) Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnope. Prequels are great.
2:01:37 Literally only SJWs like him have ever called Luke a "power fantasy". Not a single actual fan ever did.
"it's 3am!"
>cuts to Patrick sitting in broad daylight
great job
Imagine someone turns loose 20 horses in Las Vegas and they run thru a couple casino lobbies. The damage would be minimal. Imagine the culprit being proud and thinking they just really put the hurt on Las Vegas
K. As a youtuber who used to maintain a productive correspondence with Patrick I would like to rebut some comments repeated by him and others of the same camp. Patrick et al: "characters grow and change."
Not at all. character development and character choices are not possible in the world of TLJ. In this movie any line of dialogue can and will change the laws of the universe, the laws of physics, the laws of attraction, anything. this universe is made out of porridge and that porridge is made out of chaos. Therefore any character 'choice' is irrelevant, meaningless, pointless and futile. There is no cause and effect, no character (not even Rey) can address the narrative around them in any way. There is no 'BUT' (obstacles) and there is no 'THEREFORE' (consequences) every scene is just the 'next scene' as called for in the inane script.
I think what Patrick and the others need to recognize is that while the morass that is TLJ might very well make for excellent fodder for them to discuss and to project their pet themes onto in film class, that does not qualify it as a worthwhile or even watchable film. I wish that rather than attacking logic itself and belittling the movie-going public that Patrick and his camp would restrict themselves to saying: "we understand that this film is unwatchable and that it made the public distrust Disney and lose interest in Star Wars itself, but it is still interesting fodder for film theory discussion." If they stuck to that they would be much less loathsome. Instead they want to declare themselves as... I don't know what, corporate bitches? hipster cucks? sell outs? I'm not really sure what they aim to become actually.
hope this helps.
You're damn fucking right about the universe in the Sequel Trilogy.
I would like to add that, in TFA, the universe has already begun to decay, but it's still sort of coherent, to a limited degree, but it gets worse, continues to decay, even during the course of the movie. In the title crawl of TLJ, the last of the coherence breaks down and the entire universe is just mush from then on out.
“I don’t think we’ll be able to do hour long videos” You’ve changed so much over the years you beautiful bastards
58:25 Well that aged like fine milk
"I guess we'll find out in the next episode - if that actually matters, or if they'll have another fleet of stardestroyers..." - precient Mauler
What? Only 3 hours! Poor effort boys.
They kept getting longer and longer, I was looking forward to 12 hour streams to listen to :(
And it shows.
Apparently I don't love movies because I refuse to watch The Last Jedi...didn't know that
Patrick had to have made the first part specifically to troll Mauler and the gang. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd planned to make a video mocking them for wasting their time.
2:08:20
There's a way to make that work,have her do it to protect the good guys and try to change Kylo from his side. Imagine if she said yes on the condition Kylo stops his firing on the resistance and declares a truce, in the name of starting something new without having to kill the old ways . Kylo while angry would accept if it meant having her with him. Kylo and Rey go salt hoth to negotiate terms and bring Finn and Rose along to solidify terms. Finn feels betrayed by Rey and doesn't even look at her. Leia feels like Rey is lost, until they shake hands and Leia notices that Rey has given her the dice. Kylo and Rey take off and Finn finally makes eye contact with her as the hatch closes. Holdo lands the ship and they all question "what now" and Chewie pipes up and everyone looks at him. cut to Ahch to, Leia meets Luke again, they hug it out. Finn is clearly frustrated by the whole situation as Rose & Poe tries to console him. Then we cut to Rey donning a variation of the Kylo garb we've seen him in and meeting Kylo as we hear dialogue from Luke saying something along the lines of "I may be the last jedi, but it doesn't mean I'm the last hope" and in an inversion of of episode 2 & episode 5, we get the person we know is destined to be the bad guy and the person who up until 20 minutes ago we thought is destined to stop them standing side by side as a couple looking out into the distance. End
This wouldn't solve all the movies problems, but GOD it's so much better than what we got.
I've never gotten the whole "This is a movie about space wizards intended for children" argument. Star Wars is heavily inspired by Dune, which I can't imagine anyone would consider "for children". Granted, they're different conceptually, but even Star Wars still delves into deeper archetypal mythos and philosophical concepts drawn from western and eastern cultures, with major plot details built around Roman political history, WWII and the rise of Nazism, and even a bit of Vietnam War history.
The only parts really "intended for children" are the leftover elements taken from pulp serials, and that's actually where most of the violent aspects come from.
The reason is because it's not an argument. It's just a blatant deflection.
Even if we go with his argument we can just say his entire 20 minutes video praising the movie and saying its great is pointless becuase its just a kids movie with space wizards
Ironically, the biggest issue most people have with TLJ (and Disney Star Wars in general), is that it isn't about space wizards. If it was, it'd at least be watchable.
And it doesn't matter. I thought The Last Airbender was just a little kids' show, but I watched it and it is DEEP with fabulous characters, writing, & multiple storylines.
1:09:37 Holy shit, that’s gotta be the funniest line in the whole video. Usually when someone has a different opinion, I do sometimes bring up other arguments and sometimes, they bring well justified arguments forward for their opinion, but that... I wouldn’t even be able to argue against it due to the wheezing I’d be doing instead. It’s clear Patrick’s a man of culture I see...
This guy also defended Alien Covenant
This livestream is the best part about "Patrick Explains The Last Jedi"
A week ago I wasn't familiar with all these youtubers, but man do I love Mauler & Co. pulling out the critical knives!
Patrick's boulder is gay.
And because this is a written down "Traditional" review of his work, it's automatically superior to all his videos. So there. #Rekt
But you forget, it's not real criticism because it's on UA-cam.
Festus Omega So is Madman Movie Bob yet he's "Traditional."
The only qualifier for that seems to be "write shit down" in Patrick's inconsistent little world.
Oh really. I guess I'll write something down then:
TLJ touched me in a bad place.
Cringey.
Dragonage2ftw No, that would be your comment.
"From here, star wars can go anywhere."
Yeah it could even go down. Oh wait, it did.
Hey, I didn't know if you read my comments in that Patrick video, but apparently, he deleted it... So I'm copy-pasting it here instead. Hope you get to read/ reply to it...
Okay, I had to comment on this because I need to get this off my chest. Patrick tried to justify Rey’s flaws here as being too dependent on other people and looking for figures that she can look upon. Now I would agree with this point if there weren’t points in the story that contradicts them.
One, Patrick showed the scene saying that Rey “needed someone to show her place in all of this.” However, during her character interactions with Luke, it was widely known that it was Rey who was teaching Luke not to give up hope. Many devoted fans loved these scenes, but it was a big inconsistency in Rey’s character here if Patrick wanted to show that she was seeking Luke’s help as a father-figure. “Rey constantly seeks guidance,” yet the movie shows Rey guiding Luke back to being a Jedi.
Now, when it comes to Rey and Kylo’s relations in the movie, I somewhat agree and disagree with Patrick here, in certain perspectives. The movie actually banks on Kylo as the one filling in that part in Rey’s “conflict” that Luke could not. Not only was Ben being a sympathetic character in their force-connections but also solidified the narrative that Luke was truly not the perfect Jedi that he was believed to be. Patrick didn’t like that Kylo was becoming relatable to the audience, but this had to be evident so that Rey could see Kylo as another person that she could run to.
Which goes to the moment that Patrick Willems said that was incredible, where Kylo physically reached out his hand and offer Rey somewhere where she can belong to. Except, Rey said NO here. Why? After all of the established scenes mentioned and the idea that Rey was constantly seeking guidance and she doesn’t know what to do; why would she suddenly say no? Because Kylo was evil? Because Kylo wanted to forget the past? The past that, if the audience look at closely, were just inconvenient truths about the entire war? If anything, Rey, who has this flaw of seeking people and just wanting to belong, has all the reasons to join Kylo Ren here. Yet, she said No.
My point here is that Patrick Willems stated before in his other video that character motivations and how they grow in a story are the most important elements that people should look at in a story; not the plot holes or the inconsistencies or the plot conveniences. Sure, I’d agree with that, but now I find those points disingenuous, considering Rey never grow in the film, yet Patrick is defending it! Also, sometimes these inconsistencies and holes that Patrick said do not matter can break these character motivations and development. Rey’s flaws are only said in the movie, not told. And if anything, movies are “show don’t tell”.
Exactly, going evil is the only way Rey has any character growth or development and it makes sense for her to do so. Her having all this power and plenty of attributes to get by only to still feel like she’s nothing and has no one to latch onto has a villian story arch right there. I don’t think it would make the story better but I would at least have something to latch onto for the next film. It would also diffuse the Mary Sue accusations since Mary Sues stop being Mary Sues when they decide to go bad.
I agree with the both of you. When I first saw the scene, I put myself in the situation and felt like I would have joined Kylo. She was supposed to, with how much she wanted a family/connection and didn't actually get it from the Resistance, since she was with them for part of a day. That's why I was surprised when Mauler said it didn't make sense because she had more of a connection with the Resistance. If she did connect more with the Resistance, it would have been a more powerful storyline anyway, and if she didn't, it makes sense to fall for what Kylo offers.
Why didn't she join Kylo on the condition that they're gonna be benevolent rulers? She could have had him spare the Resistance and bring prosperity and personal freedoms to the people of the galaxy, acting as a balancing factor to his desire for control and order.
@@ParaSpite I feel the same. Can you imagine if she joined Kylo to form a "grey first order" that would temperate between the "dark first order" (the part that refused to follow Rey and Kylo) and the Resistance ? THAT would subvert expections, and would be an interesting take on this universe. But Kylo needed to be bad for one more movie, I guess.
@@ParaSpite That's actually my point :)) If Rey joined Kylo and made a separate order to balance out The First Order and the Resistance, that would have completed all of the subversion of expectations and bring the sequel trilogy in a different direction. I don't know if it would make the film good but it would be better than the ending we got.
This is actually what many people critical of the Last Jedi dislike about the "subverting your expectations" defense. All of those subversions were ultimately pointless because in the end, Rey said NO and it all became about The Resistance and The First Order again.
It's kinda scary how accurate Mauler's episode 9 predictions were.
"The giant alien thing that Luke milked is one of my favorite additions to this whole series and if you don't like it you have boring taste and I don't want to be friends with you"
Better to have boring taste than no taste at all.
1:07:22 The single greatest moment in EFAP history. Thank you Mr. Willems for your eloquent argument in favor of the masterpiece that is TLJ.
I did like Kylo in the Force Awakens, he is not the best by any stretch of the imagination, but I do find his obsession with Darth Vader amusing and his insanity a potentially interesting character. However TLJ ruins anything potentially interesting about him. Also Jacen Solo is a much better character, which isnt totally a fair comparison as he has like 30 books about hin.
I have always loved the prequels. More so then the OT. To be fair I was born in the 90s so I grew up with them. However after reading and watching a LOT of the EU for both the prequel era and the OT era I have to say Crylo Ren is an affront to anyone that liked Jacen. You see enough Jacen in Crylo to think about what you are missing. And as for the line that people love to make fun of from Anakin the whole "From my point of view the Jedi are evil" I will admit is cheesey I can see where he is coming from.
He saw his mother dying but the Council said "nope stay with the bint padme" and would not let him rescue his own mother. only after Padme's intervention could he try but he was to late and his mother died. He had to keep his love secret because of the dogmatic beliefs of the Jedi. I do not agree the Jedi are "evil" per say but they had a LOT of flaws. Then later after fighting in a war as a general for three years he saw visions of Padme's death. Again went to the Jedi first for help and Yoda basically said "sod it let the bitch die". Having no other choice he turned to the only person that offered to help him save his wife.
So finally the Council make him a Master that in Anakins eyes can get him information that will save his wife. However they ignore his years of service and do not give him any of the power the title commands. So he cannot get the information he thinks may save his wife. Then they have the guts to ask his master Obi-Wan to ask Anakin to spy on Palpatine. The only person really that so far has been good to him. Sure for his own gain but Anakin does not know that at the time.
So whilst I will not agree the Jedi are "evil" I see where he is coming from and I will say before the OT and the EU around it changes the Jedi they were at the very least really corrupt.
Long story short, whilst the Prequels have there flaws I think they slot very well into Star Wars lore unlike the new Disney movies. Also their characters aside from Jar Jar are actually quite interesting and well fleshed out. Not all likeable (I am talking about you Mace Windu you arse, great actor that played him but the character himself is just an unlikeable prick) but atleast a LOT more fleshed out and consistent compared with the new movies characters.
I apologise for the absolutely horrid formatting of the message but my brain was kind of going all over the place. To whomever reads this to this point I hope you have a nice day :).
To be honest, from Anakin's perspective, the Jedi do look kinda evil.
So yeah, I'm with you on this.
The Prequels are better than the Original Trilogy. Yeah, I said it. They're far more interesting and nuanced.
I enjoy watching Kylo on screen, but not for the right reasons. Its more like, "What'll he do next, it could be literally anything. It's a guessing game for me.
People think that's good writing, apparently.
1:51:38 I know this is ancient but this bothers me to this day. Kylo not turning away from the dark side is HIS failure, not Rey's. Otherwise he's not a character, he's just a cardboard cutout for Rey to carry around.
I feel like a big problem with TLJ is that it was written so that the plot matters more than the characters, so the characters have to constantly morph into whatever the plot needs them to be. AKA, it was written by someone who doesn't know how to write a story with good characters. I feel like Hollywood is just hiring people from fanfiction.net these days.
There is no difference in how you live your life, it's all the Middle.
Happiness, sadness, pain, love... All insignificant in the endless happenings of the Middle.
The Middle is infinite... until it ends... and even then a new Middle begins.
"I feel like bread... and a little bit gay."
-Bilbo Baggins
We need Mauler's, In Defense of The Last Jedi
"we get to see the 1%". What is PRINCESS Leia? Chopped liver? Like, I'm sure "inheritor to PLANET" is so far above the 1%, she's one of the top 10 people on a planet of, what, a billion? That's the top 0.0000000001% of the people. AND SHES ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS OF THE SERIES. HELL SHES THE FIRST NAME CHARACTERS I THINK. It's like complaining dune doesnt show us how the elite like. Idiot, practically ALL the character are so high up in the chain that the 1% are the plebian, unwashed masses.
JagerIV she didn’t inherit the planet.
She was elected.
It’s an elective monarchy.
That’s the whole reason why she became senator in the second and third movies.
@@nathanjora7627 Are you thinking of Padme, cause Leia wasn't a senator in episodes 5 and 6, she was a general/commander?
Allen Johnson Yes I was... So how the hell did I answer that to a comment about Leia 0_0
@@nathanjora7627 It happens. I won't lie, I've mixed em up before.
Allen Johnson As far as I remember, I never mixed them up, but mite importantly :
I didn’t mixed them up here, that’s the worst thing about it ^^
I knew it was about Leia, I knew I was talking about Padme... But something didn’t click up there and I ended up saying it anyway. Go figure.
Reys amazing character arc her goal of..ugh...Going through her flaws of...ugh.Her amazing backstory of..ugh I got nothing😕
Here’s a reason they could have used to have Finn not ram the stupid cannon: just have Poe or Rose yell “It’s ray-shielded!” Bam! Problem solved.
It's Rey-shielded. He never stood any chance of stopping it. Nobody did.
But that's not the point.
He doesn't have to not try it, it is necessary that he tries to do it and fail.
Otherwise you don't get Rose's terrible speech.
Ray-shielded means it blocks energy-based attacks. You want particle shields to defend against missiles and other matter-based projectiles.
I like that actual ww2 bombers are faster than TLJ bombers.
those "pulling star destroyers out of the sky" comments aged REALLY well, lmao.
Seinfeld was on for 9 seasons. Jerry Seinfeld said the following when he decided to end the show. He said "The show has been good me, so I want to be good to the show". Advice Disney Star Wars never took and has lost BILLIONS. Let it all burn!
If this soyboy would've watched the 5 hours angry rant, he would've realized this was a bad idea.