How to manipulate Kidde Supra KeySafe P500 C500 "high security" key safe
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- Опубліковано 8 бер 2015
- How to manipulate Kidde / Supra KeySafe P500 C500 "high security" key safe.
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Oh wow! It worked! Press hard on all buttons, the one's that move the twist lock are the combination.
They appear to have updated the mechanism, this technique only works for buttons 1 and 6 on recent locks. Looking at the mechanism the part referred to as the 'checker plate' in the patents has been modified as have all the buttons apart from 1 and 6. Would be interesting to compare photographs of the checker plate in your safe and mine.
Just had to open one yesterday, it was a struggle. 1, 2 and 7 was moving like in the video, 3 seemed to be moving but then it stopped, 5 however didn’t move the handle for the first few attempts but later it did, no movement for any other buttons, so I tried all 5 and 6 digit combinations with 1237 and 1257 and it opened with 125790… took me about an hour! As I’ve read in the comments they changed the design after 2015, so I must have been lucky to be dealing with an old model…
worked for me on a box where the previous occupant had died. one must put considerable pressure on the buttons. thanks for the help.
Thank you for this info!
What are you actually looking for ? Is resistance the code or the buttons that depress easily
Just tried it works
I have the same lock and mine does not do what this unit is doing and its a pre 2015 model
Carers had one installed for my elderly mother just as the care package ended. I tried to open it to set the code but it's already set as it wouldn't open, but nobody knows what the code is. So I tried this technique and none of the buttons respond like the video. I pressed each one hard with a pen with the handle in the position shown. Nothing. It never responded to any of the attempts.
Have they addressed this weakness maybe ? Frustrating considering how much they cost to buy. Paramedics have been called out on a false alarm and if my mother hadn't opened the door they would have kicked it in. I called the company who make it and they said it's up to the carers who had it installed and set the code. Grrrrrr.
They have addressed this weakness. Also it's extremely hard to get this method to work on the old models when the safe is in situ ie fixed to a wall.
OMG! 7 years this hanging on my wall pervious owner died and nobody know the code but yes its work !!!!!!!! Is really hard on bottom numbers and best to use two peoples to look on movements. Take me four attempts but finally I can use this. Best to use pen on something hard to pushing and this need to be push really hard. Thanks for video like I said this killing me 7 years every time I enter to home.
Followed the instructions, but can't seem to get it to work at all?
Me neither!
sorry tried agin and it does work mine just did not move as much as yours did there you get a 10 out of 10
If this is considered to be the safest, police-approved keysafe (as secure as a front door) but is so easy to open, then is there any way to safely store your keys?
In mechanical locks, the lock design is the most important thing. If you need something that does not require physical key and does not need batteries, the most secure lock is *dial* combination lock. For example "Kidde Keysafe Dial". All push-button style locks and locks with multiple user accessible wheels are easy to pick because different parts can be picked separately (called "manipulation").
For example, the method you see in this video is manupulating each button separately and watching for "feedback" in the opening handle. If the button belongs to combination you'll get feedback. And because this style mechanical lock does not require correct ordering for the numbers, picking this open by manipulation is really easy. Note that to receive good feedback you must press the buttons pretty hard.
+Mikko Rantalainen Thanks - that's really interesting
Buy one made after 2015.
@@PedalBikerUK still works on them but more difficult
So I went out today to check my lock works and the key is in it but i could not get it to open. the wife an i tried and entered the code (same as our alarm code) several times to no avail. did some googling and found several vids including this one. Following the guide i found my code! turns out it's mine and the wife shared birth year - oooops.
I thought someone had cracked it and changed our codebefire I realised that the numbers i manipulated where our birth year in a different order. (such a dumnbass)
anyway, thanks for this and good to know how unsafe these are. I will not be getting another one. nor will I be using this anymore!
i'm trying to open one of these that has been left attached to my house by previous occupants. this method doesn't seem to be working for me, I think my unit might be broken. I can turn the lever both directions, without it opening. the front doesn't seem very tightly closed either. is this normal?
got it! you do have to press really hard, but it works, I was able to open the one outside my house and change the combo. result. thanks for this.
David Collett If it turns in both directions then someone has tried to force it and broken the clutch. BTW I have maybe one of the few doors that is allmost imposible to break into but if I told you how it was done that would spoil the secret. It cant be opened even by the police or fire brigade aside from a thermic lance or destroying the external wall. Its one of a kind as I designed it myself.
I have the same issue, I bought a house and it has one of these bolted to it. It looks like you got an answer and it was eventually deleted... Any chance you can mssg me what you used to open the box?
Mine is perfectly good, and the lever turns in both directions. Also, yes, there is some play in the door. There is nothing wrong with yours; the clutch is working as designed.
avaheli If yours is newer than 2015, this technique doesnt work. The only way is a brute force attack; it’ll probably take several hours, but if its yours, that shouldnt be a problem. If its not yours, good luck fiddling with someone elses lock for that long without getting caught.
Where to buy a key safe
seems not I was just about to buy one but if this is common knowledge on the web what's the point?
I don't think this knowledge being public completely invalidates the product. it took me about 15 minutes to do this. put it somewhere that would be ergonomically difficult to work on, or where someone doing so would be exposed to view from the street.
Recent direct Intel from KeySafe indicates re-design to defeat the method shown in video.
Agreed, I've dismantled what I assume to be a recent one as the mechanism and buttons are modified compared to that in the patent, this attack now appears to only work with buttons 1 and 6.
It only took me 20 mins to work thru combinations - order of digits doesn't matter (1234 = 4321 = 1324 etc), no number used more than once, so there are only 497 combinations. If your method identifies even one of the digits then we are down to 167 possible values
Depends on how many digits in your code. Don't use 4. Given there are 10 numbers + 2 letters = 12 digits, best to use a 6 digit code I believe
30 mins to find mine. I guessed that it probably had 1 in it, and that it didn't have A or B, cause people don't often use those. Too easy
Took me 5 minutes to open my keysafe which is bolted to the wall. Disgusting that this product has not been recalled.
I currently have my grandad's supra safe, I have watched this demonstration and it didn't work for me. I'm disappointed, but it is still secure I believe.
perhaps you didn't push the buttons hard enough? that's why he is using a pen rather than his finger I think. he's pushing *really* hard.
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It's is secure. Apparently it's extremely hard to open it like this when fixed to a wall and in tests by the manufacturer in was found to be virtually impossible. The new models have had this problem addressed too.
Is good explain.. Please translate in Spanish.TY
Certainly doesn't work on my C500. Zero movement from any key.
I WAS THINKING GETTING ONE, BUT NOW I WILL NOT
It's impossible to open the keysafes like this when it's fixed to a wall. Also the manufacturer are aware of this video and have modified the new ones.
This method did not work on my newly purchased lock. However there is a far easier and 100% reliable method of getting in shown in another video online that has a sensor block on most of it.. if you look carefully at the end just after the sensor block is removed then there is your clue as to how to do it....
while this looks like quite a lot of dedication went into this work... i have to say the video leaves a bit to be desired. there is no narration, no explanation at all. what information or technique is being shown here? i had to watch it a few times in a row to understand what was being communicated.
You're a bit thick then mate.
"learnt" FTW!
I was just about to breack in the house of some old neighbors (they spend lots of months away; very rich people) near my place in Hungary.. when I found this thing hanging near the door.
Now I can do it without actually breacking something: thanks a lot!
p.s. My gf's name is Eva Kant.
A verbal explanation would have helped, I've just watched you do it and still have no idea how to open it. Bit of a waste really
Nope.
So, I'm bedridden and using this product... and you're showing people how to break into my home? If there's a Hell, I hope there's a special place for you.
It has a special place for company's sell insecure products as secure too... especially given the price... (of course you can break into any home if you really want...)
Rest (in your bed) in peace; unless you have an old one, this doesn’t work.
@@MichaelGraham21 Not really, no. If you're being funny... maybe hold up a sign or something. I could throw you a pity laugh... I feel sorta bad.
I call bullsh*t, you never even applied tension to the handle.
It's impossible to open using this method when the keysafes is fixed to a wall. Very irresponsible to make this video too.
This is kind of controversial subject. As positive aspect, it shows how weak products are being sold to people, who will blindly trust them being secure. It also should force manufaturers into improving their technology. But, without doubt, dishonest people will take advantage of these too.
I found this video, while planing to buy something like this, comparing products. There are also seems to be many much worse than this.
Someone said long time ago "locks are to keep honest people out".
It is not impossible. I've just done it to mine which has been on the wall 3 years and I managed to hack it after 5 minutes. It is disgusting and their should be a recall on all products with this defect.
@@johnconner6446 Apparently the manufacturer have modified it so any new ones sold are no longer vulnerable. How many digits were you using for the code?
@@fabfisher yeah but still not good enough. Their older products are defective if I can hack it in 5 minutes then so can a criminal. They should recall. I'm going to speak with them and see what they say. It had 5 digits when I hacked it.
@@johnconner6446 I’ve heard the more digits used it’s more difficult to do and not everyone can do it. Yes I agree the old ones should be replaced free of charge.