I think this video is the perfect reason that no one should build a compensator PC Because by the time the PC is built there's already newer or faster Hardware that has been released
I think if it fits your purpose and you like it and it plays everything you want for the coming years then it’s fine to spend 30k on it, hell I spent 15k on a DTR laptop and it’s still great. Guess I need to clarify since people don’t understand that people live differently than each other , but I’ve worked as a overseas contractor since 2016 in multiple high risk environments and having a desktop is not a reasonable thing to carry around so a DTR laptop is the next best thing. I grew in the early 90s as a tech enthusiast and built my first computer in 99/ 2000 and it was a k6-2 amd with a 128 rage from ati . Beyond that I went to school for electrical engineering and COT and I was been into the modding community so I like pushing the limits and once again a DTR laptop is the way to go for me . It’s a niche product and has a pretty long lifespan even though half the fake techies that follow Linus think hardware is outdated in a year lol top end or even mid grade hardware is good for atleast 8 to 10 yrs though certain things might not work as they should , most functionality will remain. So down to cost, well I’m fortunate enough to have a drive to get me to a place where I get paid very well so yea occasionally I spend a large mount on something I love or want . It’s not bragging if I just state the facts and why something is a reasonable purchase for me or many others.
If you want more expensive water, pick up deuterium oxide, a.k.a. heavy water. At $2000 per liter it's pretty pricey, but comes in high purity grades (so no minerals). It also has a higher heat capacity, so it actually improves the cooling.
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most of what they use in these videos in existing inventory they have, they would have to actually spend $1000s for heavy water which I doubt they would do as an accessory for a video. Maybe if it was it's own entire video
For the next Compensator build you should build two systems: one "most expensive" like this one and one no holes barred "most performance" and compare them, just to really drive home the point that more expensive doesn't mean better (not that it wasn't obvious already).
I think they should do that with this pc, just don't tear it down for a couple months and make another video with components that were available when they built this one but making use of their computer knowledge to build the best pc rather than the most expensive.
@@atticusrussell1225 Sorry, English isn't my first language, but that's what I wrote first, then thought "huh, that doesn't make any sense!" and changed it 🤣
@@bjrn-oskarrnning2740 I believe the phrase comes from fighting, where certain holds may be barred from competition as they may be too dangerous or not fit the form of the competition. Could be wrong on that, though. Hope this helps make the phrase easier to remember.
@@Obbliteration Well they do probably have most of the core components on hand to throw onto a standardized test bench. It wont factor in the potential differences in exotic cooling systems but could still be an interesting interesting video concept to illustrate how top end hardware ages relative to the mid-high end builds of the same generations. Maybe a sponsored video when Intel/AMD/Nvidia(or one of their board partners realistically) next launch a mid-high end component targeting the enthusiast gaming market. It's unlikely to have any shocking conclusions but considering that content featuring high end stuff typically performs better in terms of views, IMO it's never a bad idea for somebody like LTT to show its audience why going top of the line generally isn't the best call, assuming you're a normal person to whom $1-2k is already significant investment even for a primary hobby nevermind $4-5k. Nobody should be feeling FOMO for not doubling the price of a build for an extra 30% or 40% performance uplift, but it's an easy trap to fall into when for example; everybody still talks about the 1080, but not the 1070 which topped the steam hardware survey for like 5 or 6 years IIRC. The differences between the 1st and 3rd best today might seem big, but in a few generations time they will the 10th and 14th best and are likely to be upgraded in similar time frames anyway.
Since this is now the 4th compensator, would be cool to make all four compensator pc compete against each other! How performance have change since the first one, how much depreciation happen, out of all that money spent for peak performance how much you lost over the years! That’d be a fun watch 👍
@@dajaxx if the original parts aren’t available, doesn’t need to be the exact same thing then. There’s way to get around that. Although would not be as cool.
I revisited this and I thoroughly enjoyed every time an Ad comes along. This is true sponsorship and how to sneak it in non-sneakily. "Now that I've been compensated, let's keep compensating" is such a good tip-of-the-hat to the money they're spending and getting. Great job.
Not only that It can also introduce micro stutters - for no real benefit. Optimum tech has a great video where he puts 4k and 8k polling to the test, the objective differences in latency are extremely small and he could subjectively not tell a difference in game. Its an absolutely useless gimmick and you should not pay for it.
Yeah, I still remember when I had 2 9800Gx2s in a system. Barely worked worth a crap but the few games that Quad SLI did work in there was a nice performance boost. Plus it looks pretty badass.
Now it's the ML/AI builds that have multi GPU. Who knows? If running personal AI at home becomes common we may actually see people building their own 6 GPU home servers, similar to what TinyCorp is doing with the TinyBox - 6x AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX in one PC.
With AI being easily distributable and RAM hungry, multiple video cards generally work automagically. There are already AI mods for Skyrim. It's good to have a second card doing AI stuff anyway, or even a third.
Quick word of advice: you should replace the fancy water with automotive waterless coolant, it's likely more expensive, and will probably work better and let the system last longer (assuming it doesn't murder acrylic and the tubing)
I'm a mechanic, the coolant we use would absolutely destroy acrylics and o'rings. We regularly have to replace industrial hoses and seals because they get eaten out after 2 years or so, if I was to take a guess regular PC tubing and seals would last a few months? Might be wrong
Should've gotten Red Line Water Wetter. It's an additive for straight water cooling, used in performance cars, mostly drag cars. One bottle costs almost $14US, and treats 3-5 gallons of water. It would make using distilled water relatively safe.
@@FectacularSpail distilled water is 'hungry', and will bond and react with whatever it comes in contact with. This can lead to corrosion, electrolysis, and leeching. With dissimilar metals in a cooling loop it could cause reactions that will eventually damage fittings and cause leaks. That's why a lot of water cooling additives for PCs already exist. If you really want to ruin your loop, run pure deionized water in it.te
@@sireuchre whoa, that's the opposite of what I had assumed, but it makes sense. I've never messed with water cooling (yet), but good to know for future reference. Thanks.
@@FectacularSpail You want to start with a base of distilled water, and put in additives that keep the water from reacting or growing organic stuff. Plain water from the tap varies a lot, and many places will have mineral content that can cause issues with deposition. In car coolants, water is mixed with primarily a glycol, which keeps the hydrogen bonds 'busy' and alters the boiling and freezing points of the water, to increase efficiency.
@@sireuchre This. also I remember back a few years ago when water colling was starting to get around in sweden how some water cooler came or you could order water because the water in Sweden is so all over the place (its still good better then the US for the most part even in the worst part of sweden... drinking) but for gaming and that it could be really bad.
They trolled so hard with the sparkling water and i really hope they were able to get everything cleaned out afterwards as thats alot of expensive stuff to just gum up with expensive garbage
@@BGraves it's sparkling mineral water you shouldn't be using mineral water in your system because it deposits all the minerals inside and causes issues.
They most likely tore the computer down right after the video, no point in leaving this much expensive hardware in a computer they aren’t going to use.
Just so you know, Gerolsteiner is a Water from Germany, its not as costly here. But everybody HATES it. Was very funny to see you guys putting it in this Build for 7!!!! Dollars.(we pay like 1.45 per Liter).
@@kennytheamazing Yes it is. Same thing with Evian & Perrier water (shipped in from France), Acqua Panna (Italy), and Fiji (shocking no one, comes from Fiji). It's why they cost so much here (yet are vastly cheaper in their source country).
We went to a restaurant that, no kidding, had a water sommelier suggesting water that made good scotch look inexpensive. We also did not buy any of the silly water, but I did get some good scotch.
I couldn’t hear any insulation between the brass end cap and aluminum screwdriver body when Linus snapped it closed. Make sure the next prototype includes a thin recessed ring of Teflon or even rubber. It’ll help prevent rattles, will keep moisture out of the bit-holder and - most importantly - will prevent the inevitable galvanic corrosion that occurs when aluminum and brass come into contact with each other. 👍
@@KetchupSaucesnot trying to be that guy but, because of the first principle of thermodynamics, you can't destroy energy (and so thermal energy as well) but only move it from an object to another. Basically you can't cool your room by keeping your fridge's door open because it will just keep moving heat from a place to another inside the room. The case by itself can't cool down your room, only heat up the rest of your room to cool down the inside of it. Unless you mean a room-sized case, in that circumstance yes, you would froze to death lol
Its because they built it Badly on purpose to highlight the stupidity of buying expensive parts expecting high performance. They didnt put the ssd in raid, overclocking badly drops performance, not using the whole quad channel RAM was stupid (clock speed is useless VS bandwidth) and so on.
25:24 One thing I've always hated about monitors are their stands, but I gotta say, for a monitor that big, I think that stand is probably the best stand I have seen, ever. It's flat and squared, allowing for perfect placement of things on top of it, so if it happens to be in the way of your keyboard it doesn't matter, as your keyboard easily goes on top of it with no issue, or if you want to place something on it, then that's also no problem.
@@cracknigr6065 it is designed to be used at 100cm from it with its 1000R, I use one for work replacing a 4x27 in monitor setup with FancyZones. No problems here after reducing the brightness significantly.
I was hauling a 85” tv the other day and at 50kg it seemed so heavy but it’s actually all down to the size and shape of the object and the surface area with which you have to grip. I don’t think that rig would be too heavy to hold for a minute or two.
I know Ugreen is the sponsor now, but I love my Jackery Explorer 1000. I'm a full-time paramedic student and I needed it to power my Starlink and tablet while working on a pipeline in the rockies. I also loved being able to continuously charge it with solar so I wouldn't have to idle my work for hours or bring it in every night to charge.
@@tiagoviana263 you can charge it on solar alone in a day, but I don't know how long it takes. I had the solar plugged in all day to prolong use because it wouldn't last me a full 12 hours. I had to plug it into the truck when I ran the AC and while driving in and out of site.
In my opinion this compensator build shouldn't be about the most expensive parts but rather about the best parts you can get no matter how much it costs.
Same, break the FPS, not the bank. Else all you have to do is go roll out old HEDT and because MBs are the big failure point long term, a new MB for that is stupid expensive. $1200 for the MB, $1000 (new price, but there are ones that are/where more) for the CPU. 5-6 gen old hardware and the performance is now meh.
@sandmaster4444 all the friends who snickered at the misalignment of cost and use case and actual products along the way. Thats the true cost of a Mac. Okay that one didn't work that well....
Whats crazy to me is I literally JUST bought a PC with the same CPU/GPU combo, and managed to get the whole package for about 3k. yet another reason why expensive isn't always the best idea.
I love that case. Der8uer reviewed the first version of this case and it bombed cooling wise. Then the company sent him that version of the case that addressed all of his concerns about the first and it rocked cooling wise. It’s a German company and the case is manufactured in Germany 🇩🇪.
If I could design my ideal setup, this would undoubtedly be my absolute dream build. I hope to afford something like this one day. Thank you, LTT, for your inspiring contributions to this remarkable industry. Keep up the excellent work!
@@Sakura_Yuki_NCYou can probably do better since the processor isnt the best for gaming. A 7800X3D is much better especially in some games like Tarkov.. This is just consumerism tbh.. nobody would ever need this.
Now make the cursed version. Same processor but with maximum degradation due to overvolting and via oxidation. 11x 8 TB HDDs. 1 GB DDR4-2133 and a one of the HDDs is entirely for the swap file. A window AC unit for cooling. The case is literally a refrigerator.
Fun-fact: when you live in Gerolstein, the tap water is pretty much the same water they use to "make" Gerolsteiner. And Gerolsteiner is like 0,7€ a liter in Germany.
If it is a true compensator, I believe you are obligated to purchase the newest and greatest thing (threadripper) when it comes out and everything required to upgrade to it.
I think a cool video idea would be to build the best PC for the cost of each component on this PC. Like build a computer for the cost of just the processor, the motherboard, PC case etc. So for the motherboard PC you would have 1200$ . It would be really cool to see how many PCs and what specs you could get out of them for the cost of each individual components.
7:50 - I still feel like the ideal setup for a PC Peltier (TEC) cooler is to run your loop: CPU > Radiator > Peltier cold-side (with it's own separate cooling loop and radiator for the hot-side) > CPU. That way the first radiator brings your coolant down closer to ambient, and then the Peltier cools it below ambient. The other advantage being that the Peltier never acts as an insulator and your system can still run even if it fails or can't keep up. Not sure what EK was thinking with this setup.
@@ErnieZee 1) Use a coolant that has a lower freezing point than water 2) Use a temperature control so the Peltier only turns on when needed. Sub-ambient ≠ sub-zero unless you're outside on a freezing day for some reason.
I have been theory crafting about a system with a big reservoir and multiple loops. 1. reservoir > cpu > radiator > reservoir 2. reservoir > gpu > radiator > reservoir 3. reservoir > peltier cold side > reservoir 4. radiator > peltier hot sidd > rafiator This way you never have the downsides of the limits and insulating effect of the peltier because it is basically a normal system. The peltier just cools your reservoir aditionally. only downside is you have to insulate all the tubes and the reservoir if you plan to cool below the dew point.
@@Enderplays12 For sure, if you throw strong enough TECs on it, you could make a setup like this work on any CPU, but it's still incredibly inefficient (on top of the inherent inefficiencies of TECs in general) and prone to unexpected failures. TECs have a limit to the amount of heat differential they can move (usually 20-40 degrees C), so the closer you can get a loop to ambient before introducing the TEC, the better sub-ambient cooling effect they will have. Without that, you start hitting thermal saturation points on the hot-side of the TECs and the they become a net-negative on performance.
I can never guess LTT’s upload schedule now. It’s like a roll of the dice now when they upload. Doesn’t matter if it’s the middle of the night or in the middle of the day.
This one probably needed to get out prior to the embargo lift on Threadripper 7000 so that it's not a waste of a video (based on the comments at the beginning of this video). It's clear that this was shot even before Intel 14th gen was released.
My first thought when they added the carbonated water was that the carbonic acid in it can be corrosive, depending on what materials it comes into contact with.
My brain is still in sleepy mode, but AFAIK carbonated water isn't acidic off the bat? It can become acidic depending on the material it touches, which I think most of the material in that system is PETG tubing and aluminum.
@@NarutoMagicCyclops all carbonated water naturally produces carbonic acid in small amounts. It's what gives sparkling water its horrible taste that some people seem to enjoy.
Ok, the sparkling mineral water was silly, but otherwise, the system is really impressive. Kinda sad that such an expensive cooling setup is still outdone by more traditional water cooling, for half the price. Seems thermoelectric cooling tech just isn't there yet. Fun an interesting build, and very jealous of that monitor.
Oh it can Be !! No one here has seen what is Really is possible with Tecs! You can run them in Layered Stages,but nobody has done that here cause it would go Sub-Zero. Tecs take ALOT of Power to run ! They can be power Hogs if you want Large performance. They have very tiny ones too ! Why did you think Linus made that Hand gesture about anything BUT Gaming,cause it's hard to control Tecs,they like to be ON or OFF! Not in between or low voltage,they don't do $#!T ! They are Great at what they do,they're not energy efficient though.
Almost got a dejavu on "I'm not gonna waste $100 on testing it properly a second time". Good on you for surviving that shitstorm...15.6M subs and 3.3M views. ps: Loving the socks in sandals!
Doing a lan room build would be sick. to see what specs all get built into the systems, connecting everything together to work seamless, overall price, etc.
I've been using the Mountain Everest as my daily driver for about a year now, for someone who's only *moderately* into keyboards it's amazing, if you want a really nice keyboard and never want to have to think about it again i'd definitely recommend it!
You can hook those Corsair LS100 RGB strips to a Corsair RGB controller like the commander instead of using the one that comes in the box, which requires you to connect it to the wall.
I'm most baffled how Gerolsteiner costs so much in Canada (and why anyone would export water from Germany to Canada). Here you can get it for about 0,55€/L
You should've been using La Veuve Cliquot or, better, some 50-year old whisky for the cooling system. It would easily double your price and make the system even slower, hotter and less serviceable - mission accomplished!
Ik he said no exotic parts but the final ootane drives would've been so perfect for this. They are also so far ahead of the best nvme ssds I low queue depth random read bandwidth, iops and latency that youll commonly see 50-100% faster boot and load times. That's also the same reason it's so hard to notice the improvements of nvme ssds vs sata because they're progressing abysmally slow in these metrics.
Owning a P5800X 1.6TB would be a dream come true. Sadly, not gonna happen when it costs about the same as a D5-P5316 30.72TB SSD. That's quite the difference.
Clarification for the Gerolsteiner Water: This water is really not that expensive here in Germany, like 60 cent for a liter. So it's not the cheapest, but there are way more expensive options out there. The price of $7 CAD is most likely transatlantic shipping and markup for having european water.
Yeah. I was really confused when Linus pulled out the bottle. Like what's the big deal? I have like 5 boxes with 24 bottles each in my garage for about 40€ total. That's just normal water.
I was wondering why they didn't use a contact frame and mill the cpu like debauer says, would increase performance, but especially because it would add cost, since they were going for the most expensive.
@@dimitrijekrstic7567 I remember using Ugreen cables and chargers for my iPhone 4 since Apple's were overpriced. I agree with OP, the cables and chargers from Ugreen were terrible and couldn't charge my iPhone as quickly as original Apple cables. Now with USB type C and smart charging technology, things are very different. I now exclusively use Ugreen products to charge my devices.
I couldn't watch the video after 23:00. I mean come on, it must be working perfectly. Getting a coolant would be more expensive and would get better temperatures.
Man and i thought my case was big, It's an E ATX size case from 2008, because it was an entire computer from 2008 for $50, now the case has better specs than a core 2 quad qq6600
Yes, when your Thermal Compound has the same geometric shapes as your side panel.. Build goes completely off the charts insane! Awesome ❤. Too bad waiting for the new releases didn't happen.
gerolsteiner is a german water brand and in germany it isnt even close to that expensive it still isnt cheap but the price is way more reasonable (its like 9,25$ for 12 bottles) the price probably comes from import cost just like with evian or other european water brands
I love these videos but every time they do something silly! i wish they would actually build a true compensator PC but with the BEST parts possible and most compatible with raw performance in mind, or even an AMD compensator video would be awesome
This Case has been reviewed by Debauer... At the time of his review, it under-performed so amazingly that the manufacturer stated they were going back to the drawing board and took it off the market for a bit... I hope we get another review on what I hope is model #2 now that it's gotten Linus attention... But buyer beware on the case.
This build needs a compensator killer, one or two systems that can outperform it for cheaper. Something like nas with 40 gig connection I think could be better and cheaper. And the x3d chip.
These are sick pcs I juts got a brand new pc my first ever one I built it myself and it was a blast your videos have helped me build my pc to much and I have learned about all the parts from your videos😊
I think this video is the perfect reason that no one should build a compensator PC Because by the time the PC is built there's already newer or faster Hardware that has been released
I think if it fits your purpose and you like it and it plays everything you want for the coming years then it’s fine to spend 30k on it, hell I spent 15k on a DTR laptop and it’s still great.
Guess I need to clarify since people don’t understand that people live differently than each other , but I’ve worked as a overseas contractor since 2016 in multiple high risk environments and having a desktop is not a reasonable thing to carry around so a DTR laptop is the next best thing. I grew in the early 90s as a tech enthusiast and built my first computer in 99/ 2000 and it was a k6-2 amd with a 128 rage from ati . Beyond that I went to school for electrical engineering and COT and I was been into the modding community so I like pushing the limits and once again a DTR laptop is the way to go for me .
It’s a niche product and has a pretty long lifespan even though half the fake techies that follow Linus think hardware is outdated in a year lol top end or even mid grade hardware is good for atleast 8 to 10 yrs though certain things might not work as they should , most functionality will remain.
So down to cost, well I’m fortunate enough to have a drive to get me to a place where I get paid very well so yea occasionally I spend a large mount on something I love or want . It’s not bragging if I just state the facts and why something is a reasonable purchase for me or many others.
@@prodigy455for 15k it better should be great.
@@prodigy455Cope
@@prodigy455A $15k laptop...wtf
@@WowCreativeUsername straight up sounds regarded lol
If you want more expensive water, pick up deuterium oxide, a.k.a. heavy water. At $2000 per liter it's pretty pricey, but comes in high purity grades (so no minerals). It also has a higher heat capacity, so it actually improves the cooling.
The aren't building an A bomb, well in some senses I suppose they are! 🙂
@@MrDanwilliams
Your post is severely underrated.
@@MrDanwilliamsD2O is not radioactive
Their big brother T2O is
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most of what they use in these videos in existing inventory they have, they would have to actually spend $1000s for heavy water which I doubt they would do as an accessory for a video. Maybe if it was it's own entire video
For the next Compensator build you should build two systems: one "most expensive" like this one and one no holes barred "most performance" and compare them, just to really drive home the point that more expensive doesn't mean better (not that it wasn't obvious already).
I think they should do that with this pc, just don't tear it down for a couple months and make another video with components that were available when they built this one but making use of their computer knowledge to build the best pc rather than the most expensive.
*no holds barred
😂
@@atticusrussell1225 Sorry, English isn't my first language, but that's what I wrote first, then thought "huh, that doesn't make any sense!" and changed it 🤣
@@bjrn-oskarrnning2740 I believe the phrase comes from fighting, where certain holds may be barred from competition as they may be too dangerous or not fit the form of the competition. Could be wrong on that, though. Hope this helps make the phrase easier to remember.
No. Because that would make two videos, meaning double the sponsors. So no fucking way! lol
Gotta love a PC where the STORAGE is more expensive than my entire rig xD
love how the mobo is 2/3 mine
I want a compensator revisited video. Where all the old compensators are tested and see how they hold up to modern day.
They dont keep these thing built. They have to recoup costs
@Obbliteration Yeah I figured as much.
@@Obbliteration Well they do probably have most of the core components on hand to throw onto a standardized test bench. It wont factor in the potential differences in exotic cooling systems but could still be an interesting interesting video concept to illustrate how top end hardware ages relative to the mid-high end builds of the same generations. Maybe a sponsored video when Intel/AMD/Nvidia(or one of their board partners realistically) next launch a mid-high end component targeting the enthusiast gaming market.
It's unlikely to have any shocking conclusions but considering that content featuring high end stuff typically performs better in terms of views, IMO it's never a bad idea for somebody like LTT to show its audience why going top of the line generally isn't the best call, assuming you're a normal person to whom $1-2k is already significant investment even for a primary hobby nevermind $4-5k.
Nobody should be feeling FOMO for not doubling the price of a build for an extra 30% or 40% performance uplift, but it's an easy trap to fall into when for example; everybody still talks about the 1080, but not the 1070 which topped the steam hardware survey for like 5 or 6 years IIRC. The differences between the 1st and 3rd best today might seem big, but in a few generations time they will the 10th and 14th best and are likely to be upgraded in similar time frames anyway.
@@JustATypicalGinger They often sell components, repurpose them for other videos or use them in workstations. They explain it all on the wan show
"Recompensated?!"
12 bottles of Gerolsteiner cost around 9 Euros in Germany. Totally overpriced in Canada, it seems xD
and it still tastes awful
Yea its like 85 cents per bottle haha
Ruining the components with that stuff was just wasteful nonsense.
I actually think it might be reasonably priced
Its just f****in stupid to ship it around half the world
To be real it is also overpriced in germany if we compare it to how it tastes.
Since this is now the 4th compensator, would be cool to make all four compensator pc compete against each other! How performance have change since the first one, how much depreciation happen, out of all that money spent for peak performance how much you lost over the years! That’d be a fun watch 👍
Yes please! I would watch the hell out of that video
They reuse parts in other builds, and latter raffle parts to employees and at conventions. I doubt any other compensator still exists.
@@dajaxx if the original parts aren’t available, doesn’t need to be the exact same thing then. There’s way to get around that. Although would not be as cool.
I revisited this and I thoroughly enjoyed every time an Ad comes along. This is true sponsorship and how to sneak it in non-sneakily. "Now that I've been compensated, let's keep compensating" is such a good tip-of-the-hat to the money they're spending and getting. Great job.
I love how this video is basically "you shouldn't buy any of this."
Actually frustrating to see how badly designed a $2000 case is. They basically painted and shipped a MVP.
Well I think you could buy some parts of this and not come out too bad. Not all of it is completely stupid.
Except for the ugreen power bank 🤩
Though to be fair the case is quite amazing if you're planning to do watercooling forever
If only he had handled the solid copper waterblock video this well
I never thought I'd hear of a mouse that literally causes a CPU to actually think a little bit if you max out the polling rate.
I love it.
I think I missed the mouse
@@bipbop3121 it's at 27:45
Not only that It can also introduce micro stutters - for no real benefit. Optimum tech has a great video where he puts 4k and 8k polling to the test, the objective differences in latency are extremely small and he could subjectively not tell a difference in game. Its an absolutely useless gimmick and you should not pay for it.
My very old logitech G602 will do the same, but the affect is likely much lower.
Used to happen fairly frequently with gaming mice attached to underpowered laptops. Ask me how I know.
you should used heavy water (D2O) for cooling. it cost way more, and have better thermal capacity than regular water
was going to comment the same thing, especially since they are in Canada where it's used in the CANDU reactors
That or use a non-water coolant, like oil. Premium gasoline cooled PC, anyone?
btw this water costs way under a $/€ in Germany. It‘s so funny that in NA carbonated water is considered a luxury good.
@@RandomUser2401Heavy water is not carbonated water, it's water which is enriched with deuterium, which is hydrogen with an extra neutron.
@@ommyotter4064i think you misunderstood the German 😉
Is it weird that out of all the mind blowing tech in this video. The milled LTT screwdriver was the most unattainable 🤔
this definitely makes me miss SLI... it was so cool seeing more than one card in a system
I loved when they would jam 8 GPUs into a case as well
Yeah, I still remember when I had 2 9800Gx2s in a system. Barely worked worth a crap but the few games that Quad SLI did work in there was a nice performance boost. Plus it looks pretty badass.
Me too, even though SLI was effectively terrible.
Now it's the ML/AI builds that have multi GPU. Who knows? If running personal AI at home becomes common we may actually see people building their own 6 GPU home servers, similar to what TinyCorp is doing with the TinyBox - 6x AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX in one PC.
With AI being easily distributable and RAM hungry, multiple video cards generally work automagically.
There are already AI mods for Skyrim. It's good to have a second card doing AI stuff anyway, or even a third.
Quick word of advice: you should replace the fancy water with automotive waterless coolant, it's likely more expensive, and will probably work better and let the system last longer (assuming it doesn't murder acrylic and the tubing)
But this isn’t about what works better, it’s about the most expensive
@@superjanitor123the coolant would have been more expensive, they went so far and fumbled on the stupidest thing.
I was thinking why dont they put proper coolant for a car or something in it, would it not work?
I'm a mechanic, the coolant we use would absolutely destroy acrylics and o'rings. We regularly have to replace industrial hoses and seals because they get eaten out after 2 years or so, if I was to take a guess regular PC tubing and seals would last a few months?
Might be wrong
Car coolant would definitely destroy things
I cant think of a worse time for a non HEDT compensator build to come out than the embargo date for threadripper
Exactly lol. This could not have been timed more perfectly.
If it was threadripper it be like a 40k build because they'd have to fill all those extra pci-e lanes with more drives or things, and more ram
@@Klairity Even without that it would probably not be far off because the most expensive threadripper is $5k on its own
You'd think they would go for a frequency optimised xeon or something. They can be had for not totally stupid money's in this kind of price range
they are sponsered by intel, so it makes sence,
At 19:45 someone realises their on camera and runs out the way as if we wouldn't see xD
lol! they noticed and blurred them out too!
Should've gotten Red Line Water Wetter. It's an additive for straight water cooling, used in performance cars, mostly drag cars. One bottle costs almost $14US, and treats 3-5 gallons of water. It would make using distilled water relatively safe.
Wait, is distilled water not safe?
@@FectacularSpail distilled water is 'hungry', and will bond and react with whatever it comes in contact with. This can lead to corrosion, electrolysis, and leeching. With dissimilar metals in a cooling loop it could cause reactions that will eventually damage fittings and cause leaks. That's why a lot of water cooling additives for PCs already exist. If you really want to ruin your loop, run pure deionized water in it.te
@@sireuchre whoa, that's the opposite of what I had assumed, but it makes sense. I've never messed with water cooling (yet), but good to know for future reference. Thanks.
@@FectacularSpail You want to start with a base of distilled water, and put in additives that keep the water from reacting or growing organic stuff. Plain water from the tap varies a lot, and many places will have mineral content that can cause issues with deposition. In car coolants, water is mixed with primarily a glycol, which keeps the hydrogen bonds 'busy' and alters the boiling and freezing points of the water, to increase efficiency.
@@sireuchre This.
also I remember back a few years ago when water colling was starting to get around in sweden how some water cooler came or you could order water because the water in Sweden is so all over the place (its still good better then the US for the most part even in the worst part of sweden... drinking) but for gaming and that it could be really bad.
They trolled so hard with the sparkling water and i really hope they were able to get everything cleaned out afterwards as thats alot of expensive stuff to just gum up with expensive garbage
Yeah I was cringing watching them pour that crap in
Sparkling water has no sugar
@@BGraves it's sparkling mineral water you shouldn't be using mineral water in your system because it deposits all the minerals inside and causes issues.
This water tastes not even good.
They most likely tore the computer down right after the video, no point in leaving this much expensive hardware in a computer they aren’t going to use.
Just so you know, Gerolsteiner is a Water from Germany, its not as costly here. But everybody HATES it. Was very funny to see you guys putting it in this Build for 7!!!! Dollars.(we pay like 1.45 per Liter).
The water and the case make it a pretty german build xD
I wonder if they're actually shipping the water from Germany. That would make it stupid expensive, and stupid stupid to do.
2.98*10^84 dollars??
I really like Gerolsteiner. It has a nice high mineral content.
@@kennytheamazing Yes it is. Same thing with Evian & Perrier water (shipped in from France), Acqua Panna (Italy), and Fiji (shocking no one, comes from Fiji). It's why they cost so much here (yet are vastly cheaper in their source country).
I've never had an LLT video suddenly feel like an acid trip turning bad before, and I'm not sure how I feel about it. That outro man.
If you wanna get the most expensive water just go to the movie theatre 😂
or a sports stadium
I have seen Minecraft youtubers playing music from Roblox games, and now THIS?
Or buy some German-Water from the other side of the World 😂😂
Wow it’s wunba
We went to a restaurant that, no kidding, had a water sommelier suggesting water that made good scotch look inexpensive. We also did not buy any of the silly water, but I did get some good scotch.
Finally, an upload schedule that accommodates my poor sleep habits
Lol, they liked the comment
I couldn’t hear any insulation between the brass end cap and aluminum screwdriver body when Linus snapped it closed. Make sure the next prototype includes a thin recessed ring of Teflon or even rubber. It’ll help prevent rattles, will keep moisture out of the bit-holder and - most importantly - will prevent the inevitable galvanic corrosion that occurs when aluminum and brass come into contact with each other. 👍
"keep moisture out" buddy chill, moisture isn't an issue. You aren't waterproofing freaking screwdrivers
@@dimitrijekrstic7567Dumb comment. Some people work outside, where things get damp.
The best thing you filled german water Into the german case 😂😂
That pc has a literal A/C inside
That could cool my room straight up
@@KetchupSaucesnot trying to be that guy but, because of the first principle of thermodynamics, you can't destroy energy (and so thermal energy as well) but only move it from an object to another. Basically you can't cool your room by keeping your fridge's door open because it will just keep moving heat from a place to another inside the room. The case by itself can't cool down your room, only heat up the rest of your room to cool down the inside of it. Unless you mean a room-sized case, in that circumstance yes, you would froze to death lol
@@lucazani2730 i meant using those side panels as ac units
@@KetchupSauces ahhhhhh ok
@@lucazani2730 bro just tryna flex his smartness on apes
I find it funny how often the most expensive option isn't the highest performance one.
threadrippers are still available on newegg
Its because they built it Badly on purpose to highlight the stupidity of buying expensive parts expecting high performance.
They didnt put the ssd in raid, overclocking badly drops performance, not using the whole quad channel RAM was stupid (clock speed is useless VS bandwidth) and so on.
25:24 One thing I've always hated about monitors are their stands, but I gotta say, for a monitor that big, I think that stand is probably the best stand I have seen, ever. It's flat and squared, allowing for perfect placement of things on top of it, so if it happens to be in the way of your keyboard it doesn't matter, as your keyboard easily goes on top of it with no issue, or if you want to place something on it, then that's also no problem.
In the way of your keyboard? You gonna sit just 50cm away from a 55" monitor or what? You want your eyeballs well done, right? :D
@@cracknigr6065 it is designed to be used at 100cm from it with its 1000R, I use one for work replacing a 4x27 in monitor setup with FancyZones. No problems here after reducing the brightness significantly.
Thermal paster application was wayyyy more satisfying than I imagined.
Im quite surprised Linus was able to hold 43.5kg worth of computer and not even drop it :)
did you see his muscles , he would be easily doing 70 lbs dumbelss for curls
I was hauling a 85” tv the other day and at 50kg it seemed so heavy but it’s actually all down to the size and shape of the object and the surface area with which you have to grip. I don’t think that rig would be too heavy to hold for a minute or two.
I know Ugreen is the sponsor now, but I love my Jackery Explorer 1000. I'm a full-time paramedic student and I needed it to power my Starlink and tablet while working on a pipeline in the rockies. I also loved being able to continuously charge it with solar so I wouldn't have to idle my work for hours or bring it in every night to charge.
Can you actually charge it up fully while on solar? If yes, how long does it take?
that's bs
@@tiagoviana263 you can charge it on solar alone in a day, but I don't know how long it takes. I had the solar plugged in all day to prolong use because it wouldn't last me a full 12 hours. I had to plug it into the truck when I ran the AC and while driving in and out of site.
It's not a requirement to like the LTT sponsor
In my opinion this compensator build shouldn't be about the most expensive parts but rather about the best parts you can get no matter how much it costs.
Same, break the FPS, not the bank. Else all you have to do is go roll out old HEDT and because MBs are the big failure point long term, a new MB for that is stupid expensive. $1200 for the MB, $1000 (new price, but there are ones that are/where more) for the CPU. 5-6 gen old hardware and the performance is now meh.
But that's not quite in the spirit of compensation, no?
i dont think you understand the concept of this ....
Trueee
I almost had an aneurysm when they started putting sparkling mineral water in the pump. Literally, all of that segment had me clenching lol
If the objective was to waste money on a computer they should've just bought a Mac
But actually, what is the most expensive Mac pro!?
lmfaoo
@sandmaster4444 all the friends who snickered at the misalignment of cost and use case and actual products along the way. Thats the true cost of a Mac. Okay that one didn't work that well....
Not sure exactly what the point was of including a Mac in the build
said no Mac user ever!
Whats crazy to me is I literally JUST bought a PC with the same CPU/GPU combo, and managed to get the whole package for about 3k. yet another reason why expensive isn't always the best idea.
I love that case. Der8uer reviewed the first version of this case and it bombed cooling wise. Then the company sent him that version of the case that addressed all of his concerns about the first and it rocked cooling wise. It’s a German company and the case is manufactured in Germany 🇩🇪.
They need an award for customer service.
If I could design my ideal setup, this would undoubtedly be my absolute dream build. I hope to afford something like this one day. Thank you, LTT, for your inspiring contributions to this remarkable industry. Keep up the excellent work!
For the water, you should have used d2o, aka "heavy water". I think it's like $25 per ounce. I saw it on a nilered video
Pretty sure that would be an exotic component, and get Linus put on a watch list or two.
Commenting for visibility because I really want to see this now
@@bobspldbckwrdsnope. Super easy to get a regular civilian. Just expensive.
Or they could've got some liquid coolants.. Like, actual PC product.. Alphacools coolants look to be about 28$/l
@@bobspldbckwrdsSee people like you and so many other who have such incredible ignorance is why Nuclear isn't being pushed more.
Adam is really coming into his own in front of camera, he's great.
No
He's been on the channel for years and you're saying he's coming around? Lmao these guys I swear.
lame ahh no contribution ahhh comment @@Bob_Smith19
lame ahh no contribution ahhh comment @@ErnieZee
@@yeoldawesome the irony
The first thing this setup can compensate for is the lack of heating in the owner's room 😂
I can't wait for the next one and the $11,000 96-core threadripper they'll have to get.
Thank you linus I’ve always loved the compensator videos and your videos have always lifted me up whenever I feel sad. Much love ❤️
i always love these insanely overkill pcs because i cannot afford them and i never will be able to
But given enough time you can eventually buy something equivalent for a fraction of the cost
Even if you could afford it you should NOT buy/ build it
hardware p0rn
You can build a PC for 10 times less then what this costs and still get the same performance, this PC has marginally better performance
@@Sakura_Yuki_NCYou can probably do better since the processor isnt the best for gaming. A 7800X3D is much better especially in some games like Tarkov..
This is just consumerism tbh.. nobody would ever need this.
Dude this new upload schedule is crazy wtf
Agree keep seeing videos go up as I’m about to sleep lol
🤫🤫 but yus i fuckin agree wiff u. wut da fuck iz rite.
🎉🎉😂😂❤❤😢😮😅😊
@@ToboeKey309English mofo do you speak it
Nah it’s great if you’re in Australia lol. Dinner time upload
Now make the cursed version.
Same processor but with maximum degradation due to overvolting and via oxidation.
11x 8 TB HDDs.
1 GB DDR4-2133 and a one of the HDDs is entirely for the swap file.
A window AC unit for cooling.
The case is literally a refrigerator.
Fun-fact: when you live in Gerolstein, the tap water is pretty much the same water they use to "make" Gerolsteiner. And Gerolsteiner is like 0,7€ a liter in Germany.
If it is a true compensator, I believe you are obligated to purchase the newest and greatest thing (threadripper) when it comes out and everything required to upgrade to it.
Yes please!
As interesting as that might be, I'm pretty sure they're gonna wait at least a year to make another one of these.
I think a cool video idea would be to build the best PC for the cost of each component on this PC.
Like build a computer for the cost of just the processor, the motherboard, PC case etc. So for the motherboard PC you would have 1200$ .
It would be really cool to see how many PCs and what specs you could get out of them for the cost of each individual components.
Or the best PC achievable - even if it's not the most expensive.
26:00 i just love the idea of a ”starter kit” being the most expensive part on the market 😂
7:50 - I still feel like the ideal setup for a PC Peltier (TEC) cooler is to run your loop: CPU > Radiator > Peltier cold-side (with it's own separate cooling loop and radiator for the hot-side) > CPU.
That way the first radiator brings your coolant down closer to ambient, and then the Peltier cools it below ambient. The other advantage being that the Peltier never acts as an insulator and your system can still run even if it fails or can't keep up. Not sure what EK was thinking with this setup.
That would be even dumber. The peltier module would freeze the water in the tubes.
@@ErnieZee 1) Use a coolant that has a lower freezing point than water 2) Use a temperature control so the Peltier only turns on when needed. Sub-ambient ≠ sub-zero unless you're outside on a freezing day for some reason.
I have been theory crafting about a system with a big reservoir and multiple loops.
1. reservoir > cpu > radiator > reservoir
2. reservoir > gpu > radiator > reservoir
3. reservoir > peltier cold side > reservoir
4. radiator > peltier hot sidd > rafiator
This way you never have the downsides of the limits and insulating effect of the peltier because it is basically a normal system. The peltier just cools your reservoir aditionally.
only downside is you have to insulate all the tubes and the reservoir if you plan to cool below the dew point.
This cooler would work perfectly fine even with a 7950x3D. The trick is not having a microwave for a CPU.
@@Enderplays12 For sure, if you throw strong enough TECs on it, you could make a setup like this work on any CPU, but it's still incredibly inefficient (on top of the inherent inefficiencies of TECs in general) and prone to unexpected failures.
TECs have a limit to the amount of heat differential they can move (usually 20-40 degrees C), so the closer you can get a loop to ambient before introducing the TEC, the better sub-ambient cooling effect they will have. Without that, you start hitting thermal saturation points on the hot-side of the TECs and the they become a net-negative on performance.
I can never guess LTT’s upload schedule now. It’s like a roll of the dice now when they upload. Doesn’t matter if it’s the middle of the night or in the middle of the day.
I think, they upload, when they are ready. As demanded by quite a lot.
Probably to target the european viewers as well. Timezones are a thing.
@@Nekomancer1983 I think, 10 am on a workday is not really the best time for a video.
This one probably needed to get out prior to the embargo lift on Threadripper 7000 so that it's not a waste of a video (based on the comments at the beginning of this video). It's clear that this was shot even before Intel 14th gen was released.
If it gives them the time necessary to avoid "flubs", c'est la vie!
Tech entertainment truly is a niche that's totally being filled and stretched by Linus and LTT. Not everything has to be dead serious. 😊
I worked at Samsung USA when they were working on that Monitor. It was the coolest one they had in the office.
My first thought when they added the carbonated water was that the carbonic acid in it can be corrosive, depending on what materials it comes into contact with.
My brain is still in sleepy mode, but AFAIK carbonated water isn't acidic off the bat? It can become acidic depending on the material it touches, which I think most of the material in that system is PETG tubing and aluminum.
@@NarutoMagicCyclops all carbonated water naturally produces carbonic acid in small amounts. It's what gives sparkling water its horrible taste that some people seem to enjoy.
Ok, the sparkling mineral water was silly, but otherwise, the system is really impressive. Kinda sad that such an expensive cooling setup is still outdone by more traditional water cooling, for half the price. Seems thermoelectric cooling tech just isn't there yet. Fun an interesting build, and very jealous of that monitor.
Oh it can Be !! No one here has seen what is Really is possible with Tecs! You can run them in Layered Stages,but nobody has done that here cause it would go Sub-Zero. Tecs take ALOT of Power to run ! They can be power Hogs if you want Large performance. They have very tiny ones too ! Why did you think Linus made that Hand gesture about anything BUT Gaming,cause it's hard to control Tecs,they like to be ON or OFF! Not in between or low voltage,they don't do $#!T ! They are Great at what they do,they're not energy efficient though.
Almost got a dejavu on "I'm not gonna waste $100 on testing it properly a second time". Good on you for surviving that shitstorm...15.6M subs and 3.3M views.
ps: Loving the socks in sandals!
I feel like the next compensator should prioritize higher end parts over most expensive, but still target most expensive when possible.
Thanks for out of pocket skit. The whiplash on that had my head landing a Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1080°. It was equal parts hilarious and confusing.
Doing a lan room build would be sick. to see what specs all get built into the systems, connecting everything together to work seamless, overall price, etc.
Yes! We need to keep the idea and practice of Lans going!
I've been using the Mountain Everest as my daily driver for about a year now, for someone who's only *moderately* into keyboards it's amazing, if you want a really nice keyboard and never want to have to think about it again i'd definitely recommend it!
You can hook those Corsair LS100 RGB strips to a Corsair RGB controller like the commander instead of using the one that comes in the box, which requires you to connect it to the wall.
I'm most baffled how Gerolsteiner costs so much in Canada (and why anyone would export water from Germany to Canada). Here you can get it for about 0,55€/L
I feel like the sides on that case really need to be hinged to make it alot easier fitting them
The realization from Linus when he figures out the case's weight is pure gold.
I like how this series is effectively "What's the craziest thing I can spec out on pcpartpicker"
Finally, a video uploaded at a reasonable time!
Always fun seeing a setup priced like a pretty nice house around here in SEA 😂
Same size as well... 😂
You should've been using La Veuve Cliquot or, better, some 50-year old whisky for the cooling system. It would easily double your price and make the system even slower, hotter and less serviceable - mission accomplished!
I would have been angry to see that level of alcohol abuse.
It's crazy how I remember when Duo Core came out and now I'm seeing 20+ cores!
yes.!!!
There are 100 core CPUs now
phones are better than duo cores
@@joelpichette Phones cpu's are better than gen 5 and 6 intel or the AMD equivalent.
Just wanted to say the correction about the AMD platform was very well done, since a lot of thought went into how to handle these situations recently
FINALLY!! Thank you for making this, I was waiting for Compensator 4 for so long
That monitor looks like a Star Wars radar dish
I am a huge fan of thr revival of old/discontinued series. The return of The Compensator and Holy Sh!t brings me joy.
Ik he said no exotic parts but the final ootane drives would've been so perfect for this. They are also so far ahead of the best nvme ssds I low queue depth random read bandwidth, iops and latency that youll commonly see 50-100% faster boot and load times. That's also the same reason it's so hard to notice the improvements of nvme ssds vs sata because they're progressing abysmally slow in these metrics.
full optane drives are very low capacity.
Owning a P5800X 1.6TB would be a dream come true. Sadly, not gonna happen when it costs about the same as a D5-P5316 30.72TB SSD. That's quite the difference.
@@Steamrickwhy settle for less? go straight for 3.2TB one. money we have, we just need glory.
Loved this video. And extra touches of the party life of a compensator pc’s night ending in tragedy is just funny. Good work everyone.
Did you also love how they snorted coke in the end.
@@joeguitar4548they snorted g-fuel 😁
Thank you this video helped me stay under $35,000 can't wait to use my new pc
Clarification for the Gerolsteiner Water: This water is really not that expensive here in Germany, like 60 cent for a liter. So it's not the cheapest, but there are way more expensive options out there. The price of $7 CAD is most likely transatlantic shipping and markup for having european water.
The funny thing is that it doesn't even taste good
@@tomololp7846 It tastes great what are you talking about?
gerolsteiner is the worst water oat
This!
Yeah. I was really confused when Linus pulled out the bottle. Like what's the big deal? I have like 5 boxes with 24 bottles each in my garage for about 40€ total. That's just normal water.
I would like to see a video where Linus builds a LAN center for $1200
I wonder if you'd be able to make it more overkill by copper modding the Intel processor for even lower temps across the board
I was wondering why they didn't use a contact frame and mill the cpu like debauer says, would increase performance, but especially because it would add cost, since they were going for the most expensive.
@@TigonIIIWith the compensator builds they are going for off the shelf (or close to it) parts
Fun fact: the carbonated Water (Geroldsteiner) you used is pretty common here in germany an it costs around 1€/Liter :)
Ugreen is such amazing company, they went from Chinese crap to insanely good stuff. I love their equipments
I think your perception of them just changed. Their stuff has been good
@@dimitrijekrstic7567 I remember using Ugreen cables and chargers for my iPhone 4 since Apple's were overpriced. I agree with OP, the cables and chargers from Ugreen were terrible and couldn't charge my iPhone as quickly as original Apple cables. Now with USB type C and smart charging technology, things are very different. I now exclusively use Ugreen products to charge my devices.
its amazing how fast tech is evolving. theres already must faster ram and storage for lower prices since this came out
That metal screwdriver looks actually really dope :)
Adam is by far my favorite member of LTT. I love watching videos he is in and I would love to see more videos with him in them.
I couldn't watch the video after 23:00. I mean come on, it must be working perfectly. Getting a coolant would be more expensive and would get better temperatures.
You should have a build series where LTT employees try to beat the latest compensator's gaming performance for as little money as possible.
The first build scenario I've seen where a horizontal 24 pin is actually a bad thing.
Man and i thought my case was big,
It's an E ATX size case from 2008, because it was an entire computer from 2008 for $50, now the case has better specs than a core 2 quad qq6600
There's no way that mineral water was more expensive than some high-end ACTUAL coolant or something
22:47 Linus: This is the stupidist thing we've ever done!
David: No.
David kills me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes, when your Thermal Compound has the same geometric shapes as your side panel.. Build goes completely off the charts insane! Awesome ❤. Too bad waiting for the new releases didn't happen.
Omfg man this channel is so damn funny, crying tears from the sarcasm 😭😭😭
gerolsteiner is a german water brand and in germany it isnt even close to that expensive
it still isnt cheap but the price is way more reasonable (its like 9,25$ for 12 bottles)
the price probably comes from import cost just like with evian or other european water brands
I love these videos but every time they do something silly! i wish they would actually build a true compensator PC but with the BEST parts possible and most compatible with raw performance in mind, or even an AMD compensator video would be awesome
If it was the best then it wouldn't be compensating then would it? 😛
This Case has been reviewed by Debauer... At the time of his review, it under-performed so amazingly that the manufacturer stated they were going back to the drawing board and took it off the market for a bit... I hope we get another review on what I hope is model #2 now that it's gotten Linus attention... But buyer beware on the case.
$7 dollars for a bottle of water is nothing. 2 chainz had a bottle of water for 100k
this video is so entertaining I can feel the happiness flowing inside of me
flowing with bubles
31:22 everything is so big Linus looks like a bearded 5 year old at a pc 😅
This build needs a compensator killer, one or two systems that can outperform it for cheaper. Something like nas with 40 gig connection I think could be better and cheaper. And the x3d chip.
Wow. Imagine editing on this bad boy!
These are sick pcs I juts got a brand new pc my first ever one I built it myself and it was a blast your videos have helped me build my pc to much and I have learned about all the parts from your videos😊
Congrats man, enjoy !