Clear? Maybe you can explain me, if I should buy the HBC or normal version? I am using a 13700K without contact frame for 2 years now on a NH-U12A. My guess is that I have to buy the HBC and also install the washers? Or HBC without washers? Or normal version? I dont really get it to be honest.
@@NoctuaVideos im a bit skeptical of how new CPU with contact frame with standard flat isnt the best. Washers with dodgy ILM and standard flat is somehow superior?? how
Yes please. I've spent 2 days trying to understand what noctua to buy... Decided to go with the latest to future proof. At first I bought D15, then I found out D15 G2 exists, then I found out about tests where U12A performs better than D15... So complicated.
I'm sorry to hear that your experience was frustrating. However, rest assured that the products you've mentioned will not disappoint you. For a quick guide, you can refer to the NSPR score of each CPU cooler on Noctua's homepage. The NSPR score represents the relative cooling power of each Noctua CPU cooler, the higher the number, the better the noise-to-cooling ratio. If you have further questions or need additional assistance, feel free to reach out to our friendly and knowledgeable customer support team at: noctua.at/en/support/noctua-support.
a few doubts i have : 1. Which side should the blue spacers meant for the lga 1700 be installed , since one of the sides has a circular ridge which is not on the other side ? 2. given the screwdriver and the torque mentioned in the manual (0.6 Nm) , i am not sure when to stop screwing in , the manual says screw in both sides one by one until "Fully tightened" , there has come a point where the screw made a creaking noise when i tried to fully tighten it without applying any extra pressure from my hand/wrists on the screwdriver's torque , its a tricky screw in method , because too much and the thermal paste will eventually pump out faster and in turn increase temps , but too little and the contact might not be solid enough , really really hoep noctua's marketing team makes a solid video on the installation process covering at least the main points which everyone is going to face while installation regardless of the platform they are using or they are using washers or contact frame , etc 3. after applying the thermal paste , when we try to place the heatsink (without fans) on the bracket to align the 2 screws , there seems to be a situation where the heatsink can either be perfectly aligned or its wobbly and if you screw it in the wobbly position then the screws wont go straight in , so it might put pressure on the spring mechanism in the screws , there is a ideal postion that the heatsink needs to sit before it is screwed in so that the screws go perpendicular and the spring mechanism isnt damanged in the long run and also so that the contact with the cpu is parallel , really hope noctua team mentions this in the video 4. Which way does the backplate go , please also mention that because they fit on the mobo both vertically and horizontally 5. Really hope noctua team makes a video with : stock ilm with washers , contact frame , stock ilm without washers
Ah! A long one! We love challenges. :) 1. It doesn’t matter which way the blue spacers for the LGA1700 are installed because the height will be the same regardless of orientation. If you’re particular about details, you can align them all the same way, but functionally, it makes no difference. 2. The creaking noise is completely normal-it’s caused by the spring rubbing against the rest of the mounting parts. It can feel tricky because the spring provides resistance, making it harder to turn compared to a regular screw. However, you’ll feel when the screw is fully tightened and bottoms out-you won’t be able to turn it any further. Don’t worry about excess thermal paste. Only the excess will be squeezed out during installation, and the rest will stay inside. Over time, the paste will not "pump out" as you feared. It’s always better to have a little extra paste than too little. We have installation video guides, but they are socket-based rather than cooler-specific. You can find them here: ua-cam.com/video/LD3XYUYS9hE/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/hl8Tt9MNiLE/v-deo.html Both videos include examples of thermal paste application. 3. You are absolutely right that this part isn’t highlighted enough in our installation videos. Ideally, when aligning the heatsink and screws, you should ensure one side of the screw barely catches the thread to avoid applying too much force on the other side. If you thread one screw too much, you’ll need to push harder on the other side, which can make the process unnecessarily difficult. Thanks for pointing this out-we’ll make sure to address this better in upcoming installation videos! 4. The backplate orientation doesn’t matter, it’s designed to fit in only two positions, and the installation manual explains this clearly. To quote the manual: "Place the backplate on the rear side of the motherboard so that the bolts protrude through the mounting holes." There are additional markings on the backplate that indicate which side should contact the motherboard and which side should face up. 5. Did you mean a video comparing the performance benefits of using a stock ILM with washers, a contact frame, and a stock ILM without washers? Or are you asking for a video that demonstrates just the installation process for these setups? Please let us know, and we’ll take it into consideration.
@@NoctuaVideos i think a flagship cooler like this deserves are video from the team because its easy for the consumer to refer to the video the way its supposed to be done as demonstrated by noctua team , although there are other videos but using the g2 cooler would be ideal no , i didnt mean a comparison video of benchmarks or sort , instead a single video where you demonstrate how to use the cooler with : stock ilm with washers , stock ilm , contact frame (like thermalright ) if possible , of course while demonstrating all the ways its fine if thermal paste is not used and only used in one case lets say with stock ilm also please mention the importance of using the noctua fan splitter which helps in giving different pwm signals so theres no beat freq. , im curious to know what happens if we are using a 3 way fan splitter, will it mess up the pwm signals because now theres a 3rd fan , or suppose if we use a different fan paired on the 3 way fan splitter which might not have as high of a rpm range , this is really messy because peeple use different types of fan in the case with fan splitters/fan hubs
NH-D15 G2 is a Robust and Quality product that worth the money and will work for at least a decade in the future! If Intel announces a new socket later this year, I'm sure Noctua will provide a free upgrade, as they do with the current generation of NH-D15. p.s. Noctua, please turn off monetization for the channel because now the ads are from the competition and looks so, so off!
Thank you for your kind feedback, the NH-D15 G2 already supports LGA1851 out of the box, so no need for upgrades! ;) Monetization is turned off for our channel, so normally you shouldn't get any ads!
im a bit skeptical of how new CPU with contact frame with standard flat isnt the best. Washers with dodgy ILM and standard flat is somehow superior?? how
His testing is irrelevant anyway because air coolers act differently in all builds. I don't need control testing to know that high-end air coolers are performing well because most high-end air coolers do perform well. Noctua doesn't have a reputation of disappointment either. I don't need some POS on UA-cam to tell me that an air cooler is worthy when the name alone proves it's worthy.
@@jamesm568 these benchmarks are only to see which one is better. yeah in reality everything looks diffrent but the worst one will nearly always be the worst one and that can be seen in these benchmarks.
@@MrWunz Benchmarks for brainwashed people as the main concern is if the product actually performs as the manufacturer claims. You can compare all the same products together and you will get different bench marks every time. I really don't know any brand of large air coolers that do not perform their job and have a small discrepancy among their class.
the 7950x is a 2 chiplet, 16 core CPU drawing 180watts. A 9800X3D is only one chiplet with 8 cpu cores drawing 125W watts. Even if you overclock the balls out of the 9800X3D its thermals will be way lower and this thing already keeps a 16-core under full load at sub 45C temps. So you have no worries. best part is its AIR not AIO so you dont have to deal with the mes and maintenance of water cooling which i hate
Hello, Please can you tell me how the NH-D15 G2 LBC compairs with the NH-U12A? I have a AM5 Ryzen 9800x3D and I want the best fan I can get, so which of these two is the best for me?
Hi! If you want to compare Noctua coolers, it’s best to check out their NSPR score on the product page. The NH-D15 G2 has an NSPR score of 228, while the NH-U12A has 169. The NSPR score was introduced because describing a cooler’s performance in TDP didn’t provide the full picture. Noctua’s Standardised Performance Rating (NSPR) is a platform-independent classification system that allows customers to assess and compare the efficiency of Noctua CPU coolers at a glance. You can read more about the NSPR here: noctua.at/en/noctua-standardised-performance-rating You can choose either the NH-D15 G2 LBC or the NH-D15 G2 standard version and use it with the offset mount. Both will deliver excellent results!
Hi! Of course, you can! Please use the following link to check availability: noctua.at/en/nm-amb12/buy If none of the listed links work for you, try searching for the product name "NM-AMB12" at nearby retailers.
Hi Noctua. Where are the new G2 140mm square case fans you mentioned for release in September which is now? Been waiting for an announcement or some kind of update for it!!
@@NoctuaVideos Oh and one thing Noctua after spending an inordinate amount of time, preaching to the masses for years on Toms Hardware, about how you guys would provide an excellent service of shipping free future mounting kit anywhere in world for free, its a bit disappointing when you guys required invoice copy of new mobo. By the time it arrived, i had given up the wait and purchased the mounting kit locally. I understand there are cheats, but if i have receipts from noctua D15 in 2017, with my all out 8700k noctua build being a featured pcpartpicker build of the week, to now 2023 January, im upgrading to 13700k. warning you guys in advance, so it all lines up. Yes, ill have all the parts sitting around just waiting for the mount kit for a month , indefinitely. Ive still got the mounting kit sitting here. Do you want me to ship it back?
@@NoctuaVideos To clarify, there should have been a way for me too prove i wasnt a cheat, and to get the show on the road a bit sooner. Just imagine, $$$thousands of parts sitting indefinitely waiting for a mount kit. There limited time for hardware mobo failure quick refund vs going to long RMA process. Im not going to pass up that precious window. i cant afford to
Sadly, at this stage, we're unable to discuss LGA1851 contact quality due to NDA. We can confirm mounting compatibility with LGA1851 though and as a rule of thumb, the medium convexity standard version has proven to be the most versatile for various platforms.
Alright, so if I understand it properly the LBC variants are fine without washers om LGA 2011 V3 or 2066, I'm on a 10980XE that I plan to stick with for a while longer, flat CPUs and heatspreaders benefit from the LBC variant. And I assume AM4 and older Intel gens like 8 or 9 being flat also benefit from the LBC version more.
Yes, LBC is what we'd recommend for LGA2011, LGA2066 or AM4. For LGA1151 based Intel 8th or 9th gen CPUs, we'd recommend the standard version as they show more deformation than LGA2011 or LGA2066. As for the washers, they can only be used with LGA1700.
All three versions are mechanically compatible and can be used on LGA1851. Sadly, we are not able to speak about contact quality on this platform yet due to NDA. However, in the past, the standard medium base convexity has been the most versatile choice that provided good results across in virtually all scenarios, so if you're looking for the most future-proof version, it's the standard version that we'd recommend over the HBC.
Can you please tell me when it comes out, the nf-a14x25 2024 this, along with the cooler, are the ones that interest me the most, I hope it doesn't exceed $75 per fan.
The good news is that Noctua ended up not using LCP (the super expensive material used for the fan blades because of its performance) for the fan frame, so it would not be that expensive.
This is for medium and high base convexity coolers on fresh CPUs. The reason is that medium and high convexity versions show a better fit to the slight concavity of a fresh CPU with 1mm washers than to the flatter surface you tend to get with contact frames. Keep in mind that the differences are very small
got a good diference bro ??? temps ? make a test video plz haha i have 13900kf with contatc frame PL1 PL2 253. and noctua nh de15 chromax ua-cam.com/video/EqR2INIKpdg/v-deo.html
I just want to preface what I’m about to say by telling you that I am a long-time Noctua fan (no pun intended), and I currently own six of your coolers. When I see something like this after years of development, I wonder what the goal is here as a company. Your competitors are matching or beating your performance at around 1/5 of the price, and your solution is to develop a needlessly technical and frankly confusing product that offers only a potential 2-3 degree improvement. I understand that we’re at the limits of air cooling and, as a technical company with a great reputation, you aim to continually improve. I can appreciate that. But do you want to remain a niche brand for highly technical air coolers while the market totally passes you by? I had high hopes when you introduced the Chromax series because it felt like you finally understood the market, but in my opinion, this is a huge step backward and a big disappointment after a long-anticipated reveal.
@@minecraftmike5193 They found their niche in clients that value their attention to detail decision to go for different mounting systems is exactly why I would go for them and none of their competitiors ... and we are not even talking about their way over engineered fans and fantastic customer service. I get that most people will not buy this if they are stripped for cash, but I for exampleonly buy a PC every 5-6 years and I want my PC to be silent cool and as stable and long living as possible. If you choose noctua cooling you won't have your fans die on you as fast as the other cheaper brands and you get a more silent pc as well.
The LBC/HBC seems like extra gimmicky complication. Hurts resale value by only being optimal for 1 CPU vendor. And we don't know what convexities will be used by CPUs in the long term. So I can only countenance the Standard ver.
If you make a cooler than can get close to watercooling temps, in the new ryzen 9 7950x e.t.c. with 120-170watt rating, i would pay the same amount or even more just to keep my pc air cooled. Dont know if its even possible, but just saying as a consumer, i wouldnt mind a huge price even for a slightly less performance, if i dont have to worry about leaks, and less case fans . Good job noctua nevertheless
You don't need liquid cooling for any AMD processor. All AMD processors can be effectively cooled with an air cooler. Here's a fun fact, AMD does not have one single CPU that requires liquid cooling as some only have recommendations.
@@jamesm568 true, but i ve seen benchmarks, and i have my own personal experience with the ryzen 9 5950x and temps get up to 85-88c during 35degree summers where i live, while playing poor optimized games, (like need for speed heat and many more) i cant imagine the temps on the ryzen 9 7950x with more wattage requirements. I am thinking about building a new pc using ryzen 7950x or the new 9000x ones that are about to come out, you think ill always see temps lower than 88? if yes, ill gladly use the nh-d15 or other highend air cooler, but the benchmarks ive seen 360 AIOs always performe 5-10 degrees less, and since we are talking about pushing 90 degrees seems like a smart idea. But if you have personal experience with air cooler in a 7950x + 4-5 fans on the case and seeing less than 90c (in the summer) less than 80 during winter , i ll glady stick to aircooling . Sorry for the huge text
So with a 13700K on a NH-U12A used for 2 years now, I should take the HBC-version with the washers if I am correct? A configurator would be awesome here to check the specific case :D
This would be like buying a Ferrari with the performance of a Golf, the Golf is a fine car at the correct price but if they cost as much as a Ferrari then what would be the point?
@@michalsvihla1403 I am highly curious if the fan sync/offset function makes it way more quiet in comparison. Even if it only matches the (current) way cheaper thermalright coolers.
Very similar (slightly better with fresh CPUs, maybe slightly worse with used ones): noctua.at/pub/media/wysiwyg/Base_convexity_6_Thermal_performanceIntel_Core_i9-13900K_250W-01.jpg
Ich bin echt auf die Leistung gespannt. Für 150€ macht das Teil allerdings wenig Sinn. Klar funktioniert der in 10 Jahren mit Sicherheit noch genau wie an Tag 1, aber für das Geld hab ich mir gerade erst eine Silent Loop 2 360mm geholt. Wenn der neue D15 besser als die sein sollte, wäre ich schon sehr überrascht
A Noctua cooler or most air coolers will last you a lifetime though, that can't be said about AIO. And with Noctua you will get free mounting brackets for future CPUs forever and free replacement parts. People also need to realize that not everyone has the space for a 420 or even 360 AIO.
@@NoctuaVideos I know that, like it or not, this is noctua brand classic color scheme and overtime it became a matter of prestige ofc, still have you ever considered to release another version of the same fan? like: classic color scheme, full black, black frame with brown fan. I'm quite sure it would rock, especially with new chassis from fractal even tho more and more brands are thinking about using wood in their chassis, which typically come in black or white
NH-D15 "G1" didn't support Threadripper either, it's just too small. You're looking for the NH-U14/NH-U12/NH-D9/NH-U9/etc that already had platform-specific variations for AMD/Intel/Ampere workstations
For LGA 1366 CPU's, I know you need a separate mounting kit to make the NH D15 G2 compatible which is something I already have, which version would be the best suited to that socket? I don't know if the IHS flatness of those CPU's is similar to the other Intel HEDT sockets such as LGA 2011/2066 or if it is similar to LGA 115X/1200? I would really appreciate if you guys can guide me.
In terms of surface flatness, LGA1366 is more similar to LGA115x/1200 than to LGA2011/2066, so we would recommend the medium base convexity standard version for this socket.
Any estimated time frame for a Chromax Black version? I'm loving my Noctua NH-U12A Chromax Black, Been awesome keeping my 12700k cool for 2 years now, Might build an Arrow Lake 15700K(whatever they call it) and go for a NH-D15 G2 but I need it in black to match the rest of build.
Wow, very interesting, so now we have Noctua and Gamers Nexus doing their own independent testing and basically coming to the same conclusion that Intel's ILM design is flawed. Intel must be pretty embarrassed about all this with a company as established as Noctua making whole new product lines to compensate for Intel's poor design. Intel must be pretty embarrassed by this, I know I would be if that was my product. A company as large as Intel should be testing all this stuff in house before finalising their products, there is a lot at stake, you'd think they would be more cautious and careful. My previous Intel CPU needed delidding to get its temps into acceptable range under load, and now I discovered my new Intel has this ILM pressure issue - lucky I managed to find this on youtube or else I would have been cluelessly warping my IHS and getting worse temps over the years. So glad I picked up a contact frame with my purchase so I can avoid all this nonsense.
All nice, but the price is ridiculous. You will limit your market to brand fanboys only. No sensible person will buy a 4x more expensive cooler like the models from Thermalright, when your G2 will be only marginally more efficient.
@@Atilolzz I don't think of quality when it comes to Thermalright as a lot of their products are a hit and miss as Noctua doesn't have a reputation for that. I use Thermalright products myself when I'm building low-end computers for people.
@@jamesm568What's wrong with having something that's budget oriented and works? There's a time and place for everything and if you're trying to maximize your performance to dollar ratio, a 40 dollar cooler than does the job a 120 one is a no brainer. It's not low income, it's just smart. Noctua products have their purpose being tanks to be used time and time again into the future, but for the average consumer a 40 dollar peerless assassin is perfect.
@@bottomtext5872 There's nothing wrong using a product of your choice, but I don't usually pick a product because it is cheaper as I pick a product based on its reputation of the company it comes from. Thermalright is an old school company, but Noctua has a solid reputation of quality products and outstanding support. There are plenty of cheaper alternatives out there in the PC world, but people still go for them more expensive ones regardless.
Noise, that’s it, you buy noctua for quality and silence, along with amazing customer service and warranty Be quiet and other brands can offer similar silence but it is a little noticeable compared to noctua Thermalright is the best tho TBH, if you think the fans out a little noisy, you can just swap them out for noctua ones or others
The peerless assassin with a contact frame keeps my 12700k very cool. Full load stress test won't break 70c with an aggressive fan curve. During heavy gaming it's 55-65c. Why would I pay 4x more for something much larger with only a marginal improvement?
Under no circumstances should the either of the surfaces be convex. This is basic engineering practice. The reason is that if the CPU surface is concave, then a convex heatsink will put all the pressure in the centre of the CPU, making the CPU even more concave. If the two surfaces are concave, then the highest pressure is at the edges, which will flatten the CPU. How did you mange to get this so wrong?
It's ILM pressure that's causing Intel LGA1700 CPUs to become concave and there is absolutely no way that they could be flattened by putting on a concave cooler. More importantly, contact quality and cooling performance would be downright horrible with contact only occurring at the north and south side edges of the IHS. Having good centre contact is vital for achieving good contact quality and performance on LGA1700 and this only possible with a convex contact surface.
@@NoctuaVideos The ILM concentrates the pressure at the middle of the CPU. It bends because the socket is pushing up on the edges. Applying pressure to the edges in the opposite direction will reduce the shear and therefore reduce the deflection. If the heat sink were truly so flexible that it could not straighten the CPU, then nothing would be lost with concavity because the concave heatsink would conform to the CPU and produce contact across the entire face. Saying that contact around the edges would cause horrible performance is surprising hyperbole from a company that markets premium thermal pastes. It must be of no value at all if twenty-five microns of thermal paste completely destroys the performance
A clear and concise explanation, thank you.
I do want that hoodie though.
Clear? Maybe you can explain me, if I should buy the HBC or normal version?
I am using a 13700K without contact frame for 2 years now on a NH-U12A. My guess is that I have to buy the HBC and also install the washers? Or HBC without washers? Or normal version?
I dont really get it to be honest.
Yes, HBC would be our recommendation for this setup. You could try the HBC both with and without washers to see what works best for you.
NP-H1.brown is the article number of that hoodie - they do sell them
@@NoctuaVideos im a bit skeptical of how new CPU with contact frame with standard flat isnt the best. Washers with dodgy ILM and standard flat is somehow superior?? how
But just like the fan is it also offered in Black?
That Noctua Hoodie looks mighty comfortable
Because it is. I have it.
Yeah perfect for summer lol
I think a configurator tool as suggested in another comment would be very well received by the community.
Yes please.
I've spent 2 days trying to understand what noctua to buy... Decided to go with the latest to future proof.
At first I bought D15, then I found out D15 G2 exists, then I found out about tests where U12A performs better than D15...
So complicated.
I'm sorry to hear that your experience was frustrating. However, rest assured that the products you've mentioned will not disappoint you.
For a quick guide, you can refer to the NSPR score of each CPU cooler on Noctua's homepage. The NSPR score represents the relative cooling power of each Noctua CPU cooler, the higher the number, the better the noise-to-cooling ratio.
If you have further questions or need additional assistance, feel free to reach out to our friendly and knowledgeable customer support team at: noctua.at/en/support/noctua-support.
a few doubts i have :
1. Which side should the blue spacers meant for the lga 1700 be installed , since one of the sides has a circular ridge which is not on the other side ?
2. given the screwdriver and the torque mentioned in the manual (0.6 Nm) , i am not sure when to stop screwing in , the manual says screw in both sides one by one until "Fully tightened" , there has come a point where the screw made a creaking noise when i tried to fully tighten it without applying any extra pressure from my hand/wrists on the screwdriver's torque , its a tricky screw in method , because too much and the thermal paste will eventually pump out faster and in turn increase temps , but too little and the contact might not be solid enough , really really hoep noctua's marketing team makes a solid video on the installation process covering at least the main points which everyone is going to face while installation regardless of the platform they are using or they are using washers or contact frame , etc
3. after applying the thermal paste , when we try to place the heatsink (without fans) on the bracket to align the 2 screws , there seems to be a situation where the heatsink can either be perfectly aligned or its wobbly and if you screw it in the wobbly position then the screws wont go straight in , so it might put pressure on the spring mechanism in the screws , there is a ideal postion that the heatsink needs to sit before it is screwed in so that the screws go perpendicular and the spring mechanism isnt damanged in the long run and also so that the contact with the cpu is parallel , really hope noctua team mentions this in the video
4. Which way does the backplate go , please also mention that because they fit on the mobo both vertically and horizontally
5. Really hope noctua team makes a video with : stock ilm with washers , contact frame , stock ilm without washers
Ah! A long one! We love challenges. :)
1. It doesn’t matter which way the blue spacers for the LGA1700 are installed because the height will be the same regardless of orientation. If you’re particular about details, you can align them all the same way, but functionally, it makes no difference.
2. The creaking noise is completely normal-it’s caused by the spring rubbing against the rest of the mounting parts. It can feel tricky because the spring provides resistance, making it harder to turn compared to a regular screw. However, you’ll feel when the screw is fully tightened and bottoms out-you won’t be able to turn it any further. Don’t worry about excess thermal paste. Only the excess will be squeezed out during installation, and the rest will stay inside. Over time, the paste will not "pump out" as you feared. It’s always better to have a little extra paste than too little.
We have installation video guides, but they are socket-based rather than cooler-specific. You can find them here:
ua-cam.com/video/LD3XYUYS9hE/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/hl8Tt9MNiLE/v-deo.html
Both videos include examples of thermal paste application.
3. You are absolutely right that this part isn’t highlighted enough in our installation videos. Ideally, when aligning the heatsink and screws, you should ensure one side of the screw barely catches the thread to avoid applying too much force on the other side. If you thread one screw too much, you’ll need to push harder on the other side, which can make the process unnecessarily difficult. Thanks for pointing this out-we’ll make sure to address this better in upcoming installation videos!
4. The backplate orientation doesn’t matter, it’s designed to fit in only two positions, and the installation manual explains this clearly. To quote the manual: "Place the backplate on the rear side of the motherboard so that the bolts protrude through the mounting holes." There are additional markings on the backplate that indicate which side should contact the motherboard and which side should face up.
5. Did you mean a video comparing the performance benefits of using a stock ILM with washers, a contact frame, and a stock ILM without washers? Or are you asking for a video that demonstrates just the installation process for these setups? Please let us know, and we’ll take it into consideration.
@@NoctuaVideos i think a flagship cooler like this deserves are video from the team because its easy for the consumer to refer to the video the way its supposed to be done as demonstrated by noctua team , although there are other videos but using the g2 cooler would be ideal
no , i didnt mean a comparison video of benchmarks or sort , instead a single video where you demonstrate how to use the cooler with : stock ilm with washers , stock ilm , contact frame (like thermalright ) if possible , of course while demonstrating all the ways its fine if thermal paste is not used and only used in one case lets say with stock ilm
also please mention the importance of using the noctua fan splitter which helps in giving different pwm signals so theres no beat freq. , im curious to know what happens if we are using a 3 way fan splitter, will it mess up the pwm signals because now theres a 3rd fan , or suppose if we use a different fan paired on the 3 way fan splitter which might not have as high of a rpm range , this is really messy because peeple use different types of fan in the case with fan splitters/fan hubs
Awesome video to help people get the right version. I personally am looking at the standard one. Thumbs up!
NH-D15 G2 is a Robust and Quality product that worth the money and will work for at least a decade in the future!
If Intel announces a new socket later this year, I'm sure Noctua will provide a free upgrade, as they do with the current generation of NH-D15.
p.s. Noctua, please turn off monetization for the channel because now the ads are from the competition and looks so, so off!
Thank you for your kind feedback, the NH-D15 G2 already supports LGA1851 out of the box, so no need for upgrades! ;)
Monetization is turned off for our channel, so normally you shouldn't get any ads!
Really hoping to get these new models as in black variants.
Now we wait, for @gamersnexus to get their hand on it!
im a bit skeptical of how new CPU with contact frame with standard flat isnt the best. Washers with dodgy ILM and standard flat is somehow superior?? how
His testing is irrelevant anyway because air coolers act differently in all builds. I don't need control testing to know that high-end air coolers are performing well because most high-end air coolers do perform well. Noctua doesn't have a reputation of disappointment either. I don't need some POS on UA-cam to tell me that an air cooler is worthy when the name alone proves it's worthy.
@@griffin5734 synthetic bench marking is a joke anyway.
@@jamesm568 these benchmarks are only to see which one is better. yeah in reality everything looks diffrent but the worst one will nearly always be the worst one and that can be seen in these benchmarks.
@@MrWunz Benchmarks for brainwashed people as the main concern is if the product actually performs as the manufacturer claims. You can compare all the same products together and you will get different bench marks every time. I really don't know any brand of large air coolers that do not perform their job and have a small discrepancy among their class.
Does the offset standard version still outperform the offset LBC on the new 9800x3d?
the 7950x is a 2 chiplet, 16 core CPU drawing 180watts. A 9800X3D is only one chiplet with 8 cpu cores drawing 125W watts. Even if you overclock the balls out of the 9800X3D its thermals will be way lower and this thing already keeps a 16-core under full load at sub 45C temps. So you have no worries. best part is its AIR not AIO so you dont have to deal with the mes and maintenance of water cooling which i hate
Hello, Please can you tell me how the NH-D15 G2 LBC compairs with the NH-U12A?
I have a AM5 Ryzen 9800x3D and I want the best fan I can get, so which of these two is the best for me?
Hi!
If you want to compare Noctua coolers, it’s best to check out their NSPR score on the product page.
The NH-D15 G2 has an NSPR score of 228, while the NH-U12A has 169.
The NSPR score was introduced because describing a cooler’s performance in TDP didn’t provide the full picture. Noctua’s Standardised Performance Rating (NSPR) is a platform-independent classification system that allows customers to assess and compare the efficiency of Noctua CPU coolers at a glance.
You can read more about the NSPR here:
noctua.at/en/noctua-standardised-performance-rating
You can choose either the NH-D15 G2 LBC or the NH-D15 G2 standard version and use it with the offset mount. Both will deliver excellent results!
Noctua will release some bracket for Intel Core Ultra offset like AM5 ? thanks!
Great news, amazing piece of art, I hope I can get one for Ryzen 9000.
i have the NH-D15 G1 and im really happy with it, but can i buy the offset mouting kit seprate?
Hi!
Of course, you can!
Please use the following link to check availability:
noctua.at/en/nm-amb12/buy
If none of the listed links work for you, try searching for the product name "NM-AMB12" at nearby retailers.
@NoctuaVideos thank you very much, looking forward to installing it! Thank you for being awesome!
Hi Noctua. Where are the new G2 140mm square case fans you mentioned for release in September which is now? Been waiting for an announcement or some kind of update for it!!
Thank you very much for your interest in our upcoming fans, our goal is still to have these out until the end of the month!
When will the new 140 mm full frame be launched? Shown in the video at 3:19 as an case exhaust fan?
The current ETA is September: noctua.at/en/noctua-at-computex-2024
@@NoctuaVideos Oh and one thing Noctua after spending an inordinate amount of time, preaching to the masses for years on Toms Hardware, about how you guys would provide an excellent service of shipping free future mounting kit anywhere in world for free, its a bit disappointing when you guys required invoice copy of new mobo. By the time it arrived, i had given up the wait and purchased the mounting kit locally. I understand there are cheats, but if i have receipts from noctua D15 in 2017, with my all out 8700k noctua build being a featured pcpartpicker build of the week, to now 2023 January, im upgrading to 13700k. warning you guys in advance, so it all lines up. Yes, ill have all the parts sitting around just waiting for the mount kit for a month , indefinitely. Ive still got the mounting kit sitting here. Do you want me to ship it back?
@@NoctuaVideos To clarify, there should have been a way for me too prove i wasnt a cheat, and to get the show on the road a bit sooner. Just imagine, $$$thousands of parts sitting indefinitely waiting for a mount kit. There limited time for hardware mobo failure quick refund vs going to long RMA process. Im not going to pass up that precious window. i cant afford to
I'm waiting since 2021 for these 140 x 25 ultra low noise fans, to replace my radiator standard fans. :D
Which version for ryzen 7 7800x3d
Both the standard version with offset and the LBC version will work great for you: faqs.noctua.at/en/support/solutions/articles/101000526921
@@NoctuaVideosthanks
i have never own a noctua fan before but ill get one once AM6 is out.
Would the Gen 2 versions (Std/HBC/ LBC) be made available in India? If so, by when can we expect it to come here?
We hope to have it available in India in the next 2-3 months. In the meantime, you should be able to order from Amazon.com!
LGA 1851 is around the corner. Which version do we buy if we plan to go with LGA 1851 in a few months, and was it designed with LGA 1851 in mind?
Sadly, at this stage, we're unable to discuss LGA1851 contact quality due to NDA. We can confirm mounting compatibility with LGA1851 though and as a rule of thumb, the medium convexity standard version has proven to be the most versatile for various platforms.
I have a 14700k. Would the standard NH-D15 G2 be the suitable option to go for without the washers or the contact frame?
The standard version will work well, but if you don't use the washers or a contact frame, the HBC version would do even better!
Alright, so if I understand it properly the LBC variants are fine without washers om LGA 2011 V3 or 2066, I'm on a 10980XE that I plan to stick with for a while longer, flat CPUs and heatspreaders benefit from the LBC variant. And I assume AM4 and older Intel gens like 8 or 9 being flat also benefit from the LBC version more.
Yes, LBC is what we'd recommend for LGA2011, LGA2066 or AM4. For LGA1151 based Intel 8th or 9th gen CPUs, we'd recommend the standard version as they show more deformation than LGA2011 or LGA2066. As for the washers, they can only be used with LGA1700.
dear noctua will there be a nice heatsink cover again
No plans for heatsink covers yet, but if we see sufficient demand, we will look into it!
For Ryzen R9 7950x which is best? LBC or HBC?
For all AMD AM5 socket-based CPUs the LBC version should provide the best results. Meaning that for the R9 7950X you should go with the LBC version.
Is the HBC version compatible with the LGA 1851 socket?
All three versions are mechanically compatible and can be used on LGA1851. Sadly, we are not able to speak about contact quality on this platform yet due to NDA. However, in the past, the standard medium base convexity has been the most versatile choice that provided good results across in virtually all scenarios, so if you're looking for the most future-proof version, it's the standard version that we'd recommend over the HBC.
Can you please tell me when it comes out, the nf-a14x25 2024 this, along with the cooler, are the ones that interest me the most, I hope it doesn't exceed $75 per fan.
The square frame fan is targeted for September: www.noctua.at/roadmap
The good news is that Noctua ended up not using LCP (the super expensive material used for the fan blades because of its performance) for the fan frame, so it would not be that expensive.
How is it possible the contact frame has worse cooling performance versus the 1mm washers?
This is for medium and high base convexity coolers on fresh CPUs. The reason is that medium and high convexity versions show a better fit to the slight concavity of a fresh CPU with 1mm washers than to the flatter surface you tend to get with contact frames. Keep in mind that the differences are very small
Since I have Intel Core i9-14900KS, I went with HBC version.
got a good diference bro ??? temps ? make a test video plz haha
i have 13900kf with contatc frame PL1 PL2 253. and noctua nh de15 chromax
ua-cam.com/video/EqR2INIKpdg/v-deo.html
How much of a difference is this actually going to make?
We present detailed temperature data in the video, you can also find it here: noctua.at/en/nh-d15-g2-versions-explained
I just want to preface what I’m about to say by telling you that I am a long-time Noctua fan (no pun intended), and I currently own six of your coolers. When I see something like this after years of development, I wonder what the goal is here as a company. Your competitors are matching or beating your performance at around 1/5 of the price, and your solution is to develop a needlessly technical and frankly confusing product that offers only a potential 2-3 degree improvement.
I understand that we’re at the limits of air cooling and, as a technical company with a great reputation, you aim to continually improve. I can appreciate that. But do you want to remain a niche brand for highly technical air coolers while the market totally passes you by? I had high hopes when you introduced the Chromax series because it felt like you finally understood the market, but in my opinion, this is a huge step backward and a big disappointment after a long-anticipated reveal.
@@minecraftmike5193 They found their niche in clients that value their attention to detail decision to go for different mounting systems is exactly why I would go for them and none of their competitiors ... and we are not even talking about their way over engineered fans and fantastic customer service. I get that most people will not buy this if they are stripped for cash, but I for exampleonly buy a PC every 5-6 years and I want my PC to be silent cool and as stable and long living as possible. If you choose noctua cooling you won't have your fans die on you as fast as the other cheaper brands and you get a more silent pc as well.
@Noctua_at When next gen fans sale?
Round version is already available, square frame version is scheduled to follow in September.
@@NoctuaVideos last question NF-A12x25 PWM or next gen?
The LBC/HBC seems like extra gimmicky complication. Hurts resale value by only being optimal for 1 CPU vendor. And we don't know what convexities will be used by CPUs in the long term. So I can only countenance the Standard ver.
Should do a spill (spit) free AIO
Model (NOhawk2A)
Noctua = No hawk thua
What about for AM4?
LBC is what we recommend for AM4: faqs.noctua.at/en/support/solutions/articles/101000526921
If you make a cooler than can get close to watercooling temps, in the new ryzen 9 7950x e.t.c. with 120-170watt rating, i would pay the same amount or even more just to keep my pc air cooled. Dont know if its even possible, but just saying as a consumer, i wouldnt mind a huge price even for a slightly less performance, if i dont have to worry about leaks, and less case fans . Good job noctua nevertheless
You don't need liquid cooling for any AMD processor. All AMD processors can be effectively cooled with an air cooler. Here's a fun fact, AMD does not have one single CPU that requires liquid cooling as some only have recommendations.
@@jamesm568 true, but i ve seen benchmarks, and i have my own personal experience with the ryzen 9 5950x and temps get up to 85-88c during 35degree summers where i live, while playing poor optimized games, (like need for speed heat and many more) i cant imagine the temps on the ryzen 9 7950x with more wattage requirements. I am thinking about building a new pc using ryzen 7950x or the new 9000x ones that are about to come out, you think ill always see temps lower than 88? if yes, ill gladly use the nh-d15 or other highend air cooler, but the benchmarks ive seen 360 AIOs always performe 5-10 degrees less, and since we are talking about pushing 90 degrees seems like a smart idea. But if you have personal experience with air cooler in a 7950x + 4-5 fans on the case and seeing less than 90c (in the summer) less than 80 during winter , i ll glady stick to aircooling . Sorry for the huge text
@@MakTheSank You would see better performance for cooling with a 360 or bigger AIO or a heavier duty 360 AIO used as fresh air intake.
I will wait for an equivalent from thermalright and scythe.. nice video tho
So with a 13700K on a NH-U12A used for 2 years now, I should take the HBC-version with the washers if I am correct?
A configurator would be awesome here to check the specific case :D
Yes, that would be our recommendation. You could try the HBC both with and without washers to see what works best for you.
@@NoctuaVideos Thanks a lot! But I have seen that the HBC version does not come with the washers so I guess the normal mount will be fine!
Waiting for the thermosiphon ver. 😐
i want that new fan in 120 for my Noctua NH-U12A
I wish every company was like Noctua
overpriced?
This would be like buying a Ferrari with the performance of a Golf, the Golf is a fine car at the correct price but if they cost as much as a Ferrari then what would be the point?
I'll get the standard version when my old D15 breaks down 😂
Probably be waiting a long time on that…
It will be a long wait!
And that is a good thing!
Thats not gonna happen
My G1 is jealously peering over here, but it's staying cool.
What about delidded LGA 1700 ?
Delidded LGA1700 CPUs are not supported due to SMDs on the package being higher than die.
@@NoctuaVideos thanks for the clarification.
And can this beat a $35 Thermalright?
We will see
Yes, by 0.5°C at 4x the price.
@@michalsvihla1403 I am highly curious if the fan sync/offset function makes it way more quiet in comparison. Even if it only matches the (current) way cheaper thermalright coolers.
@@marcelmathes You could sync/offset your own fans if you just plug them into different headers.
@@michalsvihla1403 yeah, true
love your slide. it's a having a presentation from consulting firms
i want that noctua hoodie
What about using the NH-D15 G1 on LGA1700 with the 1mm washers from the G2? How would it perform compared to the G1 with a custom contact frame?
Very similar (slightly better with fresh CPUs, maybe slightly worse with used ones): noctua.at/pub/media/wysiwyg/Base_convexity_6_Thermal_performanceIntel_Core_i9-13900K_250W-01.jpg
@@NoctuaVideos Thanks for your reply. Can I ask why are the screw heads changed to Torx from the old Philips heads?
Ich bin echt auf die Leistung gespannt. Für 150€ macht das Teil allerdings wenig Sinn. Klar funktioniert der in 10 Jahren mit Sicherheit noch genau wie an Tag 1, aber für das Geld hab ich mir gerade erst eine Silent Loop 2 360mm geholt. Wenn der neue D15 besser als die sein sollte, wäre ich schon sehr überrascht
Thema ist auch, dass die AIO früher oder später Probleme machen wird, sei es die Pumpe, irgendein Leck oder auch dass etwas korrodiert etc.
For that price an arctic freezer III 420mm AIO, and a pack of beers 🍻
dont have to worry about the pump failing or the AIO leaking tho, and might last for years
A Noctua cooler or most air coolers will last you a lifetime though, that can't be said about AIO. And with Noctua you will get free mounting brackets for future CPUs forever and free replacement parts.
People also need to realize that not everyone has the space for a 420 or even 360 AIO.
@@kwedl Well, then I'd just buy a Thermalright cooler at $40 that outperforms the current NH-D15?
@@michalsvihla1403 the point still stands tbh, air cooler will always last longer than aios.
@@tonyy.8852I feel like the point was that this is expensive
Noctua NH-D15 G2 LBC, Dual Tower CPU Cooler, Specialised Low Base Convexity Version for AMD AM5/AM4 (Brown) Does it come with AM4 offset brackets?
Yes, AMD offset brackets are included with all three versions.
What a beautifully presented video.
I can't wait to get one of these mounted in my editing PC🐐
Nice hoodie
is a black version expected to release anytime soon or...?
It's scheduled for the first half of next year.
@@NoctuaVideos ok thx
@@NoctuaVideos I know that, like it or not, this is noctua brand classic color scheme and overtime it became a matter of prestige ofc, still have you ever considered to release another version of the same fan? like: classic color scheme, full black, black frame with brown fan. I'm quite sure it would rock, especially with new chassis from fractal even tho more and more brands are thinking about using wood in their chassis, which typically come in black or white
Thank you for your suggestion, let's see what the future will bring! ;)
What the hell is that price, you can keep your way too late update
i am using i9-9900k and currently using NH-D12, what should i upgrade?
Standard version as you can see on the sheet at 06:46
We recommend the standard version for LGA1151: faqs.noctua.at/en/support/solutions/articles/101000526921
@@NoctuaVideos Looking forward for my upgrade, thanks.
The 9900k
Brilliant work! Thank you!
so no threadripper support?
NH-D15 "G1" didn't support Threadripper either, it's just too small. You're looking for the NH-U14/NH-U12/NH-D9/NH-U9/etc that already had platform-specific variations for AMD/Intel/Ampere workstations
All this doesn't matter until you release the Chromax editions of them.
For LGA 1366 CPU's, I know you need a separate mounting kit to make the NH D15 G2 compatible which is something I already have, which version would be the best suited to that socket?
I don't know if the IHS flatness of those CPU's is similar to the other Intel HEDT sockets such as LGA 2011/2066 or if it is similar to LGA 115X/1200?
I would really appreciate if you guys can guide me.
Why waste a $150? Cooler on a $10 CPU?
In terms of surface flatness, LGA1366 is more similar to LGA115x/1200 than to LGA2011/2066, so we would recommend the medium base convexity standard version for this socket.
but do you have a zipper hoodie? i'd buy that in a heartbeat :)
NH-D15 G2 LBC then for AMD users.
or Standard AM5 with offset
@@peterers3 Did you look the table shown
All this fuss over bent CPUs and Noctua still isn't selling their own contact frames.
We see better results with washers, that's why: noctua.at/pub/media/wysiwyg/Base_convexity_6_Thermal_performanceIntel_Core_i9-13900K_250W-01.jpg
@@NoctuaVideos Is that with a frame you guys made or from your competitors?
I'll just get the default one. And forget all the stuff
Sure, that's entirely fine, can't go wrong with the regular version! :)
waiting A14 G2 Chromax😢
Thermalright Phantom Spirit EVO has the exact same performance for 1/3rd the price. Nice try though.
Any estimated time frame for a Chromax Black version?
I'm loving my Noctua NH-U12A Chromax Black, Been awesome keeping my 12700k cool for 2 years now, Might build an Arrow Lake 15700K(whatever they call it) and go for a NH-D15 G2 but I need it in black to match the rest of build.
Wow, very interesting, so now we have Noctua and Gamers Nexus doing their own independent testing and basically coming to the same conclusion that Intel's ILM design is flawed. Intel must be pretty embarrassed about all this with a company as established as Noctua making whole new product lines to compensate for Intel's poor design. Intel must be pretty embarrassed by this, I know I would be if that was my product. A company as large as Intel should be testing all this stuff in house before finalising their products, there is a lot at stake, you'd think they would be more cautious and careful. My previous Intel CPU needed delidding to get its temps into acceptable range under load, and now I discovered my new Intel has this ILM pressure issue - lucky I managed to find this on youtube or else I would have been cluelessly warping my IHS and getting worse temps over the years. So glad I picked up a contact frame with my purchase so I can avoid all this nonsense.
All nice, but the price is ridiculous. You will limit your market to brand fanboys only. No sensible person will buy a 4x more expensive cooler like the models from Thermalright, when your G2 will be only marginally more efficient.
When I think of Thermalright the first thing that comes to mind is minimum wage.
@@jamesm568spending more money = more happiness 👍
@@Atilolzz I don't think of quality when it comes to Thermalright as a lot of their products are a hit and miss as Noctua doesn't have a reputation for that. I use Thermalright products myself when I'm building low-end computers for people.
@@jamesm568What's wrong with having something that's budget oriented and works? There's a time and place for everything and if you're trying to maximize your performance to dollar ratio, a 40 dollar cooler than does the job a 120 one is a no brainer. It's not low income, it's just smart. Noctua products have their purpose being tanks to be used time and time again into the future, but for the average consumer a 40 dollar peerless assassin is perfect.
@@bottomtext5872 There's nothing wrong using a product of your choice, but I don't usually pick a product because it is cheaper as I pick a product based on its reputation of the company it comes from. Thermalright is an old school company, but Noctua has a solid reputation of quality products and outstanding support. There are plenty of cheaper alternatives out there in the PC world, but people still go for them more expensive ones regardless.
Where do I sign up for the free variants?
Over clockers in their way to spend $800 to get 0.5 cooler performance and the same frame rate
How does the new A14 fan compared with the Sanyo 9RA1412P1G001？
ASMR Vibes
I love my poop colored cooler :)
is there absolutely no chance this will fit in the O11 Evo RGB on an AMD socket? It's apparently 1mm off...
No, sadly this is too tight.
Should we expect the black version in a year or so? :D
Any new low profile cooling ?
I'm against any and all defamation of the CPUs.
Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 Under 35$ and have performance like Noctua D15 CHROMAX Cost more 100$+ "x3" Expensive !!!!! where is the logic !?
Noise, that’s it, you buy noctua for quality and silence, along with amazing customer service and warranty
Be quiet and other brands can offer similar silence but it is a little noticeable compared to noctua
Thermalright is the best tho TBH, if you think the fans out a little noisy, you can just swap them out for noctua ones or others
Noctua responding poorly and late to getting absolutely destroyed by thermalright, arctic, and deepcool.
The peerless assassin with a contact frame keeps my 12700k very cool. Full load stress test won't break 70c with an aggressive fan curve. During heavy gaming it's 55-65c. Why would I pay 4x more for something much larger with only a marginal improvement?
The thing I love about this company is their products don't make me feel like minimum wage.
I didnt understand anything you said im sorry
7:20 this is an excellent figure
The pricing is insane. 150 USD, over 3x the price of a Thermalright cooler that will get within, what, 5-10% of the performance?
That's the price of the research for the last bits. Noctua fans tho will likely never fail compared to others.
@TheRealBix Noctua hasn't really kept up with modern pricing. Air coolers needn't be as expensive as they used to be.
But 150€ is outrageous price
sorry, aber eure preise sind vollkommen wahnsinnig
Ty Intel
❤ all
the version with BETTER COLORS 😂😂😂
Not worth the money
The pricing is insane. 150 USD Not worth the money
Don't even use the ilm.
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Under no circumstances should the either of the surfaces be convex. This is basic engineering practice. The reason is that if the CPU surface is concave, then a convex heatsink will put all the pressure in the centre of the CPU, making the CPU even more concave. If the two surfaces are concave, then the highest pressure is at the edges, which will flatten the CPU. How did you mange to get this so wrong?
It's ILM pressure that's causing Intel LGA1700 CPUs to become concave and there is absolutely no way that they could be flattened by putting on a concave cooler. More importantly, contact quality and cooling performance would be downright horrible with contact only occurring at the north and south side edges of the IHS. Having good centre contact is vital for achieving good contact quality and performance on LGA1700 and this only possible with a convex contact surface.
@@NoctuaVideos The ILM concentrates the pressure at the middle of the CPU. It bends because the socket is pushing up on the edges. Applying pressure to the edges in the opposite direction will reduce the shear and therefore reduce the deflection. If the heat sink were truly so flexible that it could not straighten the CPU, then nothing would be lost with concavity because the concave heatsink would conform to the CPU and produce contact across the entire face.
Saying that contact around the edges would cause horrible performance is surprising hyperbole from a company that markets premium thermal pastes. It must be of no value at all if twenty-five microns of thermal paste completely destroys the performance
Dang, that dude voice is so sexy ❤
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bro acts like he's introducing the next iphone
nerd emoji
I choose deepcool.
None of them because of the color.
what is chromax black then, i just got one, calm down bro
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