Few more tips if in Alaska. (1) NEVER EVER follow a bear, wounded or otherwise, into an Alder patch. Its a TRAP! To a human Alders are like steel bars, to a grizzly like toothpicks. They intentionally will try to lead you into the alders because their trails get tighter & tighter & they've already circled around to ambush you following their trail & will hit you from the side. (2) Bears ALWAYS die with their eyes OPEN. If theyre closed after being shot theyre bluffing just trying to get you closer to finish you off. (3) A bears red blood cells are HUGE & carry a lot of oxygen. Even with their hearts/ lungs shot clean out they can still get you several minutes after they been hit. Give em LOTS of time to die before approaching them. Id recommend time enough to smoke TWO cigarettes. ( My method, thats how long it takes ME to quit shaking after an attack.) (4) An enraged bear is a totally different critter than a calm bear is. Their "rage" switch can/ does go off/ on like a light switch. Wish i could tell you theres some sure predictor but far as i know, there isnt. Never known anyone who could & ive known a lot of bear experts. ( 5) Ive had 2 bluff charges that stopped only 3 feet away before they stood up, watched me wet myself & walked away. In both thoes they ran at me w their heads up high like a dog playing w you. The KILL attacks were w heads barely off the ground & their eyes locked & coming in hot. If you hear the " Death roar" theyre NOT bluffing. They fully intend to kill you. When my mentors told me about it they both laughed. Said. " Dont worry, youll know it when you hear it." And they were RIGHT! Theres so much anger & rage in that roar its unmistakable. Ive heard it 3 times. Both grizzly attacks & the BIG Black bear attack. Never want to hear it again. (6) Black bears ARE natural man-eaters. Once theyre as tall as you standing up your on their menu. Usually sneaky assed Stealth hunters. Like to silently sneak up behind you & go for the head/ spine first to paralize & then eat you alive. Anybody who thinks blackies are harmless is ignorant. (7) THE #1 favorite bushmans rifle is the lever action 45/70 w HOT bear loads. True, its heavier ( esp. fully loaded) than most hunting rifles but it has the bear stopping thump & magazine capacity for a multiple bear attack & its WAY faster than any bolt. W flip up ramp sights good out to 800 yards, when folded flat good out to 200 easy w the hot bear loads. If zero @ 100 the drop at 200 is only 5 inches. ( 420 grain WFNHC. @ 2100 FPS.) Buffalo Bore loads a bit hotter. 430 grain WFNHC. @ 2300 FPS. BUT, you will NEED a super max kickpad or it WILL hurt you. NO damned scope in bear country!! Up close all you'll have tome for a a look down the bbl & center mass the charging bear. It WORKS!
@@billt9687, Only if its the right kind of slug. Brennikie makes the best. Black magic, Special Forces short magnum, the old style Foster slugs just dont cut it & any shotgun shell has inherited weaknesses. If they get wet or prolonged high humidity they fail. That all need to be professionally specially weather sealed.
@@tristantimothy1004 Depends if you reload or not, but yes the black magic shells are great against bears. It's easy to weather proof shot shells, just add wax around the slug and a touch of grease around the primer lip, never had a shell fail yet. I even dunked the shells in water for 3 days straight and they all went off, but I suggest to test it if you do it to make sure it's done right.
@@billt9687 For black bear, 12 gauge works great, I've seen many taken out with a 12 gauge foster slug as well as 00 buck loads. Grizzlies are more muscular and heavier bones, plus thicker fur, so pick your choice of slugs wisely. If in a very humid or wet environment, add wax around the slug to weather proof it and a touch of grease around the primer lip, this will ensure to keep all the water out, but I don't suggest to carry shells on the shotgun if it's an extremely wet environment.
@@toddk1377, Yep, we have a reloader who seals our bear slugs for us. Old timer who really knows his stuff..never had a problem. We use the Brennikie mag slugs exclusively.
Intresting! Nobody talks about a charging moose, yet I know two people personally that have been charged by moose in Achorage. Seems locals are more concerned with moose, then bears!
My Primary Brown Bear Defense Deep Woods Defense Ruger-Marlin 1895 GBL 45-70, 576 grain Black Butterfly Ammo , Secondary 3 in rotation 1. Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan 480, Hornady 400grain hardcast, Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan 44mag, Buffalo Bore 340grain +P+. Last Glock 29 w Xgrip full G20mag, Underwood 220grain hardcast.
Where I hunt North Idaho its brutally steep and I’ve opted lately to NOT carry my 10mm’s, Bear spray and only carry a 5rnd mag of .308 in my rifle but….had a run in last year that was a Jesus moment and all Jesus did was chuckle over my weight saving ‘strategy’ lol. What I’ve heard/learned is they give zero warnings so when its your time just like sharks while surfing….it’s your time!!
Yikes. I was listening to a story about a guy who usually carries unchambered and off body (10mm in pack). One day he decided to carry it chambered and he had to drop a grizz. Mine is always on my chest regardless of where I go in the backcountry
I live in Wyoming and attended the game and fish bear clinics, wind affects bear spray along with humidity and or rain. During the bear clinic they told us a story about a experienced hunter that was jumped from behind, his rifle was shouldered on a sling, he couldn't employ his rifle, nor would he have been able to employ a pistol in a chest rig with the full weight of the bear pinning him to the ground. The hunter wasn't being hurt because the bear was tearing at his pack, he eventually got to his bear spray, buried his face in his other arm. And blastedthe spry over his shoulder ending the attack. I always carry bear spray and a 10mm, however the pistol isn't in a chest rig, I carry it in a thigh holster. I'm not saying one carry position is better than any other, just something to think about
Awesome video, I get into massive debates with all my buddies who are big "gun" and hunting guys that legitimately think that just because they have a firearm in the woods they have their defense ready. I tell them to carry spray and a firearm. They hardly ever train quick draw shooting and they get super mad at me when I tell them their not gonna hit the broad side of a barn when a bear is charging them they should probably invest in bear spray as well. Haha love the term "two is one, one is none"
I say no thanks to near spray. I don't want any defensive tool that can be defeated by wind. I don't want the wind to blow back on me and now I've just seasoned the bears next meal
I've carried a Ruger Alaskan 4", .460 S&W magnum, 500gr hardcast round nose, in a chest rig for years and had to use it twice on grizzlies and wouldn't even consider carrying anything else.
I haven't shot one, but the 460 S&W Magnum is the cartridge I would choose if carrying a revolver. I would choose that over a 500 Magnum all day. 460nis a SERIOUS cartridge.
Ok, that’s not how you use bear spray. You don’t try to actually spray the bear at distance, you’re supposed to spray side to side to create a wall between you and the bear.
That sidestep they were doing would do nothing against a charging bear because they are very agile and fast. In my opinion, it would be better to focus on shot placement in that critical moment.
I love this guy !! So having a 9 footer , head and all on the bed in the other room is a constant reminder of the machine that these things are. Also , the same day that one went down there were three of us , guide included , standing at the kill when a young bear decided to make his presense and his ferocity known . However much time you think you have , you simply dont . Whatever it is you think youre gonna do ? You arent . Nothing prepares you for how fast they close that gap on bluff. This training would have been awesome to have before my experience with these animals. I will ad a couple of things , one of which was touched on here and that is. Im not sure any foot work is the best use of the limited time you have the risk of tripping or falling on terrain is great as well . This bear is on a rail and he isnt tracking you as a live bear would be and these old boys are a hell of alot better at running you down than you are at running away. Creating distance is just the first natural instinct but I feel its a waste of time and that shot placement is whats going to save you , not the foot work. Watching some of the guys videos that does the "Death at my feet" thing in africa kinda reinforces that opinion. You can survive an attack if you brought the right tools and have the nerve to use them as affective as they can be used. The second thing is vigilance . Not presenting yourself on a platter for Mr Brown in the first place . I havnt been all over Bear country but the parts I have been in up in Alaska are certainly to the bears advantage and when those thoughts get in your head its a downright creepy place to be. Avoid close proximity to good bear cover and avoid being distracted from the fact that you came to a place where you are NOT the top of the food chain and the critters that live there make a carreer out of killing. Last but not least and something I dont hear mentioned much in any Grizz related stuff is that these Bears are looked after in most states . They are protected , What the guide said to us that day the young bear closed that gap on three guys with rifles stuck with me . "Ive got him if need be , remember that if we return with another dead bear and none of us have teeth marks on us , were gonna be in deep shit"......Guide carried a big bore iron sighted carbine.. Love the video guys...
Great, great training. The only reservation I had was with the Marine flare. But I guess in snow country it is fine, but it would have been nice to mention it in the video about liability of starting a forest fire and millions in damage/ homes lost, possibly lives lost just to scare a bear away.
There is a reason many people carry snubs for bear guns. That extra barrel length slows the draw and aiming down. Yeah you lose velocity but you get more shots off. Also you wouldn't want hollows, you want hard cast bullets for penetration.
Rafen, not necessarily. It doesn't take a bazooka to stop a bear. Add, the recoil jump is going to blow your accuracy & you won't have TIME to reset after every shot. Add, in a multiple bear attack you WONT have enough rounds to stop em all. Handguns are a backup only, a last ditch if the bear slaps your proper bear RIFLE away from you or hits so close you won't have time to swing it into play. The 10s are taking over here in Alaska. When you can dump 5-7 rounds in the same time as maybe 2 in the magnum revolvers your better off & more likely to get that all important FACE shot into their brain. A simple 9 mm you can control beats a 454 you can't. ESPECIALLY with today's modern bear ammos. Check out " Phil Schumachers 9 mm grizzly kill". Granted, he DID admit after the incident he was under gunned but it worked all the same.
@@tristantimothy1004it's not that hard to control a 44 mag. I can shoot it as fast as my 10mm. Both handloaded hot. Most times, you aren't going to have the time to pump 5 to 7 rounds into it. That's why I leave the 10mm at home unless black bear is all I have to worry about. But I'll take the 45-70 as primary like you said.
@@tristantimothy1004And Phil isn't the only one who killed a charging bear with a 9mm. There are other 4 or 5 cases where a 9mm stopped and killed bears
@@orhanabd1724, Yep! Eskimos regularly take polar bears w 22s. In the eye, up the nose or at the base of the ear sideways. Instant drop brain shots. In my bearstand I used a 243 w standard 90 grain FMJ s. 1 clean heart shot & most never knew they were hot. Just flinched like mosquito bit & kept on eating til they dropped. Usually face first into the bait pile. 110 yard shots. Grizzlies w their cubs need 100 yards to not feel threatened so I kept my baits 110 yards out. Fattened up a lot of grizzly cubs w my baits. Got amazing videos of grizzly behaviors. Was a race to get to a downed blackie BEFORE the Grizzlies did. Usually they'd let me get my blackie unless they got there 1st. Then, it belongs to them. Alaska law. If a Grizzlies claims your kill, it belongs to the Grizzlies.
Before watching this video I’ll make this comment. For a grizzly bear defense if I’m limited to only handguns (+ bear spray hopefully) I would probably prefer 460 Roland as long as they figured out the hollowpoint expansion/penetration and reliability through platforms aside from 1911s. Usually it’s a conversion kit from a Glock 21 to 460R I believe or .45 super which I’ve only seen in 1911 that had reliability issues. All that said, I would prefer a 10mm loaded with 180-200gr Buffalo Bore or Underwood 200gr. Preferably a hand loaded batch of Hornady custom XTP 180-200gr
Here in Alaska carried Ruger red Hawk 4” for years in Bear Territory with 255gr Hardcast and 24.0 of H110. Still have my Ruger. The Glock 20 and Glock 21 (45 Super) has put my revolver in limp mode over the years.
Any training is better than none, but this is still just target practice. At this range and speed (which is slow for a grizz) unless you hit the CNS it will still plow into you and maul you until it's blood pressure drops low enough to stop it.
No doubt, we absolutely agree, but we do what we can with the tools at hand to make sure we're as prepared as possible. We'd rather know we did everything in our power to be ready than just rely on luck. Same philosophy as getting training with your conceal carry gun
that's not all that powerful for a bear. less than 2200 ft. pounds. 35 remington rifle power. A 30-06 will easily get over 3000 ft. lbs and way easier to shoot and carry in my opinion. I think you talk to fat guys in the bars to much to get your advice!
@sapago4166 I prefer a rifle I don't care what you use. I've carried a super redhawk in that stupid holster before and I hated it. I think it was made for some old fudd or a guy that can't carry a rifle.
I find it interesting that 10mm has gained such wide adoption for Grizzly defense. For years even stout loads of .357 Mag have been considered anemic for Grizzly. Yet now 10 mm which is ballistically in the same ballpark as .357 Mag is suddenly considered ok. And most commercial 10mm are loaded down to .40 SW specs, with even stout loads like Buffalo Bore warning about shooting in Glocks for their unsupported chamber design. People cite the magazine capacity as the tipping point, but most Griz attacks happen so fast rarely is the defender able to get more than a few shots off. Also semi autos have more restrictions on bullet design than a revolver which will allow for greater meplate and penetration than what can be used in an auto. And what happens when the bear is at contact and now all you can do is shove the muzzle into the bear and pull the trigger. Try that with a semi auto without a standoff device and you are lucky to get one shot off before the slide is out of battery and the gun is out of action. It’s just a curious change in conventional wisdom. In the end I guess competence and confidence outweigh ballistics and if you are competent and confident in your semi auto you are better off than incompetent and less confident in the most powerful revolver.
Interesting point, but I personally dont use off the shelf ammo for bear defense. Plenty of manufactures make proper loads, but you gotta pay big for them.
Can be loaded to about 41 Magnum strength without too much trouble, with less recoil than a 357 (especially with a recoil affecting muzzle device) and if you have a comp or muzzle break I wouldn't worry about it jamming out of battery as much.
The reason a 357 magnum isn't recommended is because of the shot count. 6 shots vs 16 with a Glock 20 10mm. As far as firing time, it would be quicker to get some shots off with a semi auto than it would be a revolver. Don't forget the big revolvers like a 460 or 500 S&W Magnum, have a massive recoil. So you're not getting many shots of with that and maybe not accurately when you're panicking as a Grizzly charges you. The semi 10mm has about 70% less recoil in my opinion. Good points and always great to consider other points of view. I think the worst part is walking down the trail and suddenly an 800 pound Grizzly is 15 feet away on your left and coming faster than you can react. Yeah.... Bad news.. Oh I wanted to add, you can absolutely shoot Underwood or Buffalo Bore 10mm in a Glock or other. They don't recommend you shoot hardcast in a Glock because of the polygonal barrel. It just fouls it up and can damage the barrel over time. So you need a barrel for hardcast. With that said, the factory barrel will absolutely shoot hardcast if you had to with no problem. You would need to shoot 100s of rounds to do any damage.
Underwood ammo,44mag 340gr +p+ cherry hard cast…1700fps…1500lbs punch . Cartridge is to long to cycle in lever guns.(At least in my Henry X model big boy) Approved for 44 mag Super red hawk, red hawk, Anaconda
... Do proper preparation when planning to be in bear country ,, know your weapon(s) and capability ,, remember a bear focused on you is not going to be a straight line rush , they also can pivot and stay on target ... One or two hits may or may not stop the attack ... Have heard of two hunters with a local skilled guide that shot a large Grizzly ,, Guide requires you to sit and smoke a pack of cigarettes before approaching the downed bear ... They didn't show up back at camp when expected and another couple guides went to search ,, found a dead bear and three dead hunters .... Seems even when shot multiple times the nervous system of the bear didn't know it was dead ... completed task at hand ...
I got charged by a silvertip while out alone in Montana couple years back. Lookin for sheds. Soon as I saw the bear I drew my Ruger in my right and my bear spray in my left. But for some reason, instinctively I guess, I took one big powerful step toward the bear and let out a woof of my own. That’s what did it. Not the bear spray, not the lead. My demeanor.
Watching this when in about 2 weeks I'm gonna be doing seasonal work in yellowstone is wild. I was highly debating on taking my gun but now I am certain I will be taking my gun lol
I want 1000% agree both I also carry both, we have grizz and cats here I've been carrying revolver forever now. But i have considered a 10mm because of the capacity and Power recoil as well. The shoot nice I haven't decided yet tho
I lived in Alaska for 14 years. 45-70 was my preferred rifle. Cannot go wrong with a 12 guage. I later had a 454 casull in a bandolier. I was bluff charged once. I never had to fire in self defense. Make a lot of noise and most likely will be fine. If hunting and must remain quiet, then move as slow as possible to not frighten or surprise a bear. Bears run at you like a dog. Its not straight. They lean to one side or another. What you want to aim at is that leading front shoulder. Their hide and bones are thick. If you aim for that shoulder, it will slow them or possibly stop the attack. It is important to learn this while hunting moose or blacktail deer in southeast. Gun shots are sometimes a dinner bell for bears. This is for brown bears. Blackbears can be vicious, though i have never seen it. Pretty much any firearm will work on them. Shot placement is always key. I have heard .357 is just fine.
The dual wielding of spray and gun is not advised. First, it could result in inadvertent spraying of yourself. Second it takes focus off one weapon system. It’s akin to dual wielding pistols. Lastly, you won’t have time to use both likely. Carry a gun. Leave the spray at home.
An important disclaimer…. No tight pants was harmed during the filming 😂😂 jokes aside… this was superb information… also ole boy took that bear spray to the face while dudes were coughing and gagging 😂. My choice would be the 10mm….. I use to think revolver but seeing if the bear was up close whipping out the law rocket to shoot 300+grain tomahawks would be less than ideal… more rounds on target with the semi auto.
It sounds like this video when you compare to those in-the comments and what they said your going to be eatin flat out with bear spray and a flare , You better be packing Hot loads and nothing less ..
Lol they make it sound like you need to pay money and do training to go in the woods lol i hope most men like me been shooting and in the woods growing up right ive never needed training and ive been all over hiking and living in 🐻 country. Training is good for the range they have set up but i suggest what there actually doing which on you tube you can get all fundamentals and than practicing at home you to can become a way more confident shooter .the point is you dont need to pay for training in order to be prepared for the threat .
This is a stupid video. The real question is, which one’s going to work more often. Are you more likely to get a jam with the revolver? I didn’t think so.
I often think the ultimate bear defense gun at close range would be one of those 10mm MP5 submachine guns the FBI had in the 1980's. A 30 round mag and full auto should do the trick. To bad we mere peons cannot have something like that.
Do you guys plan on making the Canik Mete SFX available in the light bearing model of the spectre shoulder holster anytime soon? It’s the only thing holding me back from buying one as I don’t want to remove my light
As a traveler of our great nation and a former Marine and Law Enforcement instructor, I’m confident. Maybe overconfident! I need to relearn! I NEED THIS COURSE. SERIOUSLY! Btw, how would a .40 do????
... assuming you have had an armed confrontation with a Grizzly with an attitude problem and were successful in defending your life to the fatal detriment of the attacking bear ... this begs the question that nobody ever answers ... what the heck do you do with 400 or so pounds of Grizzly meat???? ... any good Grizzly recipes??
I saw a while back a movie called,White Ghost I BELIEVE. It was a TRUE story about a Bad @$$ minister,that picked up an AK an a BIBLE, and put the Lord and his talent to use. Would love to sit with you some day.
Always carry however you are most comfortable! Chest rigs offer unique advantages to backpack hunting such as keeping your firearm on you at all times instead of one mounted to a backpack hip belt. Running a hip holster under a backpack strap will have you rubbed raw by the time you hike any significant distance
@@GunfightersINC I prefer it on the hip if I'm just hiking withing nothing at all on me, but that's about never. First time I went fishing I quickly figured out the gun was going to be useless under the waders on the hip and got one of your rigs.
Absolutely correct, and grizz can travel almost twice as fast as this target. But it's always good to train and try to mimic scenarios. Like Caleb said you will either rise to occasion or fall to your lowest level of prep.
Curious why hip holsters weren’t tested. Noticed y’all had to use two hands to effectively pull the pistols from either holster. A smaller gun you can fire accurately is better than a big gun you can’t shoot accurately.
These methods of carry are far more comfortable when backpacking as a hip holster will rub you raw. You can attach a hip holster to a backpack belt but many of us prefer to have our pistol on us at all times in grizz country and the backpack comes off often
Short barreled 12ga is the answer for general hiking and fishing in Brown Bear or Grizzly country. I grew up in SE Alaska. The only guys that carry handguns are from out of State. Not as convenient, but vastly superior. I now live in Idaho and have a 329pd in .44 mag for backup during archery. I caved for convenience.
Hard to summit a mountain, cut firewood, fish , skin game, clean fish with a long gun. Obviously a shotgun will win the power contest but it's likely not in reach when you need it if your working or doing stuff when you need it. Chest holster is hard to beat from taking a shit to skinning or fishing horseback atvs and such it's always on you.
If the flare didn’t scare the bear away the ensuing forest fire would.
Few more tips if in Alaska. (1) NEVER EVER follow a bear, wounded or otherwise, into an Alder patch. Its a TRAP! To a human Alders are like steel bars, to a grizzly like toothpicks. They intentionally will try to lead you into the alders because their trails get tighter & tighter & they've already circled around to ambush you following their trail & will hit you from the side. (2) Bears ALWAYS die with their eyes OPEN. If theyre closed after being shot theyre bluffing just trying to get you closer to finish you off. (3) A bears red blood cells are HUGE & carry a lot of oxygen. Even with their hearts/ lungs shot clean out they can still get you several minutes after they been hit. Give em LOTS of time to die before approaching them. Id recommend time enough to smoke TWO cigarettes. ( My method, thats how long it takes ME to quit shaking after an attack.) (4) An enraged bear is a totally different critter than a calm bear is. Their "rage" switch can/ does go off/ on like a light switch. Wish i could tell you theres some sure predictor but far as i know, there isnt. Never known anyone who could & ive known a lot of bear experts. ( 5) Ive had 2 bluff charges that stopped only 3 feet away before they stood up, watched me wet myself & walked away. In both thoes they ran at me w their heads up high like a dog playing w you. The KILL attacks were w heads barely off the ground & their eyes locked & coming in hot. If you hear the " Death roar" theyre NOT bluffing. They fully intend to kill you. When my mentors told me about it they both laughed. Said. " Dont worry, youll know it when you hear it." And they were RIGHT! Theres so much anger & rage in that roar its unmistakable. Ive heard it 3 times. Both grizzly attacks & the BIG Black bear attack. Never want to hear it again. (6) Black bears ARE natural man-eaters. Once theyre as tall as you standing up your on their menu. Usually sneaky assed Stealth hunters. Like to silently sneak up behind you & go for the head/ spine first to paralize & then eat you alive. Anybody who thinks blackies are harmless is ignorant. (7) THE #1 favorite bushmans rifle is the lever action 45/70 w HOT bear loads. True, its heavier ( esp. fully loaded) than most hunting rifles but it has the bear stopping thump & magazine capacity for a multiple bear attack & its WAY faster than any bolt. W flip up ramp sights good out to 800 yards, when folded flat good out to 200 easy w the hot bear loads. If zero @ 100 the drop at 200 is only 5 inches. ( 420 grain WFNHC. @ 2100 FPS.) Buffalo Bore loads a bit hotter. 430 grain WFNHC. @ 2300 FPS. BUT, you will NEED a super max kickpad or it WILL hurt you. NO damned scope in bear country!! Up close all you'll have tome for a a look down the bbl & center mass the charging bear. It WORKS!
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@@billt9687, Only if its the right kind of slug. Brennikie makes the best. Black magic, Special Forces short magnum, the old style Foster slugs just dont cut it & any shotgun shell has inherited weaknesses. If they get wet or prolonged high humidity they fail. That all need to be professionally specially weather sealed.
@@tristantimothy1004
Depends if you reload or not, but yes the black magic shells are great against bears. It's easy to weather proof shot shells, just add wax around the slug and a touch of grease around the primer lip, never had a shell fail yet. I even dunked the shells in water for 3 days straight and they all went off, but I suggest to test it if you do it to make sure it's done right.
@@billt9687
For black bear, 12 gauge works great, I've seen many taken out with a 12 gauge foster slug as well as 00 buck loads. Grizzlies are more muscular and heavier bones, plus thicker fur, so pick your choice of slugs wisely. If in a very humid or wet environment, add wax around the slug to weather proof it and a touch of grease around the primer lip, this will ensure to keep all the water out, but I don't suggest to carry shells on the shotgun if it's an extremely wet environment.
@@toddk1377, Yep, we have a reloader who seals our bear slugs for us. Old timer who really knows his stuff..never had a problem. We use the Brennikie mag slugs exclusively.
Intresting! Nobody talks about a charging moose, yet I know two people personally that have been charged by moose in Achorage. Seems locals are more concerned with moose, then bears!
My Primary Brown Bear Defense Deep Woods Defense Ruger-Marlin 1895 GBL 45-70, 576 grain Black Butterfly Ammo , Secondary 3 in rotation 1. Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan 480, Hornady 400grain hardcast, Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan 44mag, Buffalo Bore 340grain +P+. Last Glock 29 w Xgrip full G20mag, Underwood 220grain hardcast.
dude does his research, got a grizzly bear to learn its behavior, thats nuts
Mark, ya, it is nuts. No 2 bears act the same & UNpredictability is their normal.
Gosh I would love to take these classes but I am a broken ole veteran now. This is awesome training.
Where I hunt North Idaho its brutally steep and I’ve opted lately to NOT carry my 10mm’s, Bear spray and only carry a 5rnd mag of .308 in my rifle but….had a run in last year that was a Jesus moment and all Jesus did was chuckle over my weight saving ‘strategy’ lol. What I’ve heard/learned is they give zero warnings so when its your time just like sharks while surfing….it’s your time!!
Yikes. I was listening to a story about a guy who usually carries unchambered and off body (10mm in pack). One day he decided to carry it chambered and he had to drop a grizz. Mine is always on my chest regardless of where I go in the backcountry
Yeah but dropping that rifle and now you’ve only got the spray. Why not have the pistol as well? Glad you made it man!!
I live in Wyoming and attended the game and fish bear clinics, wind affects bear spray along with humidity and or rain. During the bear clinic they told us a story about a experienced hunter that was jumped from behind, his rifle was shouldered on a sling, he couldn't employ his rifle, nor would he have been able to employ a pistol in a chest rig with the full weight of the bear pinning him to the ground. The hunter wasn't being hurt because the bear was tearing at his pack, he eventually got to his bear spray, buried his face in his other arm. And blastedthe spry over his shoulder ending the attack. I always carry bear spray and a 10mm, however the pistol isn't in a chest rig, I carry it in a thigh holster. I'm not saying one carry position is better than any other, just something to think about
The Kenai is part of my bear defenss, paired with the G40, a holosun on top, a light, and the 220gr hard cast bear loads from underwood
A fat buddy who runs slower than you is the best defense.
Spoken like a true friend 😡 if your friends are smart, they should trip you🤣
Awesome video, I get into massive debates with all my buddies who are big "gun" and hunting guys that legitimately think that just because they have a firearm in the woods they have their defense ready. I tell them to carry spray and a firearm. They hardly ever train quick draw shooting and they get super mad at me when I tell them their not gonna hit the broad side of a barn when a bear is charging them they should probably invest in bear spray as well. Haha love the term "two is one, one is none"
Great job guys 😊
Nice seeing Caleb.. he definitely should have more subscribers than he does ❤
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I say no thanks to near spray. I don't want any defensive tool that can be defeated by wind. I don't want the wind to blow back on me and now I've just seasoned the bears next meal
I've carried a Ruger Alaskan 4", .460 S&W magnum, 500gr hardcast round nose, in a chest rig for years and had to use it twice on grizzlies and wouldn't even consider carrying anything else.
I haven't shot one, but the 460 S&W Magnum is the cartridge I would choose if carrying a revolver. I would choose that over a 500 Magnum all day. 460nis a SERIOUS cartridge.
I’ve got the Ruger Alaskan .44 mag. It’s been amazing
You have a ruger alaskan chambered in 460 magnum?
That's odd cause they don't make a alaskan chambered in 460 mag
@@josephpeters8203 S&W
Ok, that’s not how you use bear spray. You don’t try to actually spray the bear at distance, you’re supposed to spray side to side to create a wall between you and the bear.
That sidestep they were doing would do nothing against a charging bear because they are very agile and fast. In my opinion, it would be better to focus on shot placement in that critical moment.
I love this guy !! So having a 9 footer , head and all on the bed in the other room is a constant reminder of the machine that these things are. Also , the same day that one went down there were three of us , guide included , standing at the kill when a young bear decided to make his presense and his ferocity known . However much time you think you have , you simply dont . Whatever it is you think youre gonna do ? You arent . Nothing prepares you for how fast they close that gap on bluff. This training would have been awesome to have before my experience with these animals. I will ad a couple of things , one of which was touched on here and that is. Im not sure any foot work is the best use of the limited time you have the risk of tripping or falling on terrain is great as well . This bear is on a rail and he isnt tracking you as a live bear would be and these old boys are a hell of alot better at running you down than you are at running away. Creating distance is just the first natural instinct but I feel its a waste of time and that shot placement is whats going to save you , not the foot work. Watching some of the guys videos that does the "Death at my feet" thing in africa kinda reinforces that opinion. You can survive an attack if you brought the right tools and have the nerve to use them as affective as they can be used.
The second thing is vigilance . Not presenting yourself on a platter for Mr Brown in the first place . I havnt been all over Bear country but the parts I have been in up in Alaska are certainly to the bears advantage and when those thoughts get in your head its a downright creepy place to be. Avoid close proximity to good bear cover and avoid being distracted from the fact that you came to a place where you are NOT the top of the food chain and the critters that live there make a carreer out of killing.
Last but not least and something I dont hear mentioned much in any Grizz related stuff is that these Bears are looked after in most states . They are protected , What the guide said to us that day the young bear closed that gap on three guys with rifles stuck with me . "Ive got him if need be , remember that if we return with another dead bear and none of us have teeth marks on us , were gonna be in deep shit"......Guide carried a big bore iron sighted carbine.. Love the video guys...
The barrel on the Colt 44 magnum is WAY TO LONG. Try a 3 inch
Great, great training. The only reservation I had was with the Marine flare. But I guess in snow country it is fine, but it would have been nice to mention it in the video about liability of starting a forest fire and millions in damage/ homes lost, possibly lives lost just to scare a bear away.
There is a reason many people carry snubs for bear guns. That extra barrel length slows the draw and aiming down. Yeah you lose velocity but you get more shots off.
Also you wouldn't want hollows, you want hard cast bullets for penetration.
FYI my bro was charged by a grizz and it took 3 shots from a 300win mag…
Terrifying.
I hate revolvers but they offer the best calibers for bear defense
They're good
Rafen, not necessarily. It doesn't take a bazooka to stop a bear. Add, the recoil jump is going to blow your accuracy & you won't have TIME to reset after every shot. Add, in a multiple bear attack you WONT have enough rounds to stop em all. Handguns are a backup only, a last ditch if the bear slaps your proper bear RIFLE away from you or hits so close you won't have time to swing it into play. The 10s are taking over here in Alaska. When you can dump 5-7 rounds in the same time as maybe 2 in the magnum revolvers your better off & more likely to get that all important FACE shot into their brain. A simple 9 mm you can control beats a 454 you can't. ESPECIALLY with today's modern bear ammos. Check out " Phil Schumachers 9 mm grizzly kill". Granted, he DID admit after the incident he was under gunned but it worked all the same.
@@tristantimothy1004it's not that hard to control a 44 mag. I can shoot it as fast as my 10mm. Both handloaded hot. Most times, you aren't going to have the time to pump 5 to 7 rounds into it. That's why I leave the 10mm at home unless black bear is all I have to worry about. But I'll take the 45-70 as primary like you said.
@@tristantimothy1004And Phil isn't the only one who killed a charging bear with a 9mm. There are other 4 or 5 cases where a 9mm stopped and killed bears
@@orhanabd1724, Yep! Eskimos regularly take polar bears w 22s. In the eye, up the nose or at the base of the ear sideways. Instant drop brain shots. In my bearstand I used a 243 w standard 90 grain FMJ s. 1 clean heart shot & most never knew they were hot. Just flinched like mosquito bit & kept on eating til they dropped. Usually face first into the bait pile. 110 yard shots. Grizzlies w their cubs need 100 yards to not feel threatened so I kept my baits 110 yards out. Fattened up a lot of grizzly cubs w my baits. Got amazing videos of grizzly behaviors. Was a race to get to a downed blackie BEFORE the Grizzlies did. Usually they'd let me get my blackie unless they got there 1st. Then, it belongs to them. Alaska law. If a Grizzlies claims your kill, it belongs to the Grizzlies.
Also, these guys have way more practice with semi autos, so they are gonna shoot that platform by default.
Wow …you have like no time at all. And if you do get the shot, it’s super close and you have 800lbs slamming into you
Not gonna lie with a charging gizz, i want full auto M2 .50 bmg nothing short
Before watching this video I’ll make this comment. For a grizzly bear defense if I’m limited to only handguns (+ bear spray hopefully) I would probably prefer 460 Roland as long as they figured out the hollowpoint expansion/penetration and reliability through platforms aside from 1911s. Usually it’s a conversion kit from a Glock 21 to 460R I believe or .45 super which I’ve only seen in 1911 that had reliability issues. All that said, I would prefer a 10mm loaded with 180-200gr Buffalo Bore or Underwood 200gr. Preferably a hand loaded batch of Hornady custom XTP 180-200gr
First time I’ve seen these guys, love the video!
Great top notch video guys
Here in Alaska carried Ruger red Hawk 4” for years in Bear Territory with 255gr Hardcast and 24.0 of H110. Still have my Ruger.
The Glock 20 and Glock 21 (45 Super) has put my revolver in limp mode over the years.
Any training is better than none, but this is still just target practice. At this range and speed (which is slow for a grizz) unless you hit the CNS it will still plow into you and maul you until it's blood pressure drops low enough to stop it.
No doubt, we absolutely agree, but we do what we can with the tools at hand to make sure we're as prepared as possible. We'd rather know we did everything in our power to be ready than just rely on luck. Same philosophy as getting training with your conceal carry gun
Casull....300gr HP at 1800fp is bear slapping medicine with quick follow up at manageable recoil..
Follow up with that load will not be quick.
that's not all that powerful for a bear. less than 2200 ft. pounds. 35 remington rifle power. A 30-06 will easily get over 3000 ft. lbs and way easier to shoot and carry in my opinion. I think you talk to fat guys in the bars to much to get your advice!
@justinriley8651 A pistol in a chest holster is much easier to carry through brush or trees than a rifle. Also easier to carry while fishing.
@sapago4166 I prefer a rifle I don't care what you use. I've carried a super redhawk in that stupid holster before and I hated it. I think it was made for some old fudd or a guy that can't carry a rifle.
@@justinriley8651 Try fly fishing while carrying a rifle.
I find it interesting that 10mm has gained such wide adoption for Grizzly defense. For years even stout loads of .357 Mag have been considered anemic for Grizzly. Yet now 10 mm which is ballistically in the same ballpark as .357 Mag is suddenly considered ok. And most commercial 10mm are loaded down to .40 SW specs, with even stout loads like Buffalo Bore warning about shooting in Glocks for their unsupported chamber design. People cite the magazine capacity as the tipping point, but most Griz attacks happen so fast rarely is the defender able to get more than a few shots off. Also semi autos have more restrictions on bullet design than a revolver which will allow for greater meplate and penetration than what can be used in an auto. And what happens when the bear is at contact and now all you can do is shove the muzzle into the bear and pull the trigger. Try that with a semi auto without a standoff device and you are lucky to get one shot off before the slide is out of battery and the gun is out of action. It’s just a curious change in conventional wisdom. In the end I guess competence and confidence outweigh ballistics and if you are competent and confident in your semi auto you are better off than incompetent and less confident in the most powerful revolver.
Food for thought.
Interesting point, but I personally dont use off the shelf ammo for bear defense. Plenty of manufactures make proper loads, but you gotta pay big for them.
Good points. As far as the shoving the muzzle to something a threaded barrel and/or comp will fix that.
Can be loaded to about 41 Magnum strength without too much trouble, with less recoil than a 357 (especially with a recoil affecting muzzle device) and if you have a comp or muzzle break I wouldn't worry about it jamming out of battery as much.
The reason a 357 magnum isn't recommended is because of the shot count. 6 shots vs 16 with a Glock 20 10mm.
As far as firing time, it would be quicker to get some shots off with a semi auto than it would be a revolver. Don't forget the big revolvers like a 460 or 500 S&W Magnum, have a massive recoil. So you're not getting many shots of with that and maybe not accurately when you're panicking as a Grizzly charges you.
The semi 10mm has about 70% less recoil in my opinion.
Good points and always great to consider other points of view.
I think the worst part is walking down the trail and suddenly an 800 pound Grizzly is 15 feet away on your left and coming faster than you can react. Yeah.... Bad news..
Oh I wanted to add, you can absolutely shoot Underwood or Buffalo Bore 10mm in a Glock or other. They don't recommend you shoot hardcast in a Glock because of the polygonal barrel. It just fouls it up and can damage the barrel over time. So you need a barrel for hardcast. With that said, the factory barrel will absolutely shoot hardcast if you had to with no problem. You would need to shoot 100s of rounds to do any damage.
Underwood ammo,44mag 340gr +p+ cherry hard cast…1700fps…1500lbs punch .
Cartridge is to long to cycle in lever guns.(At least in my Henry X model big boy)
Approved for 44 mag Super red hawk, red hawk, Anaconda
... Do proper preparation when planning to be in bear country ,, know your weapon(s) and capability ,, remember a bear focused on you is not going to be a straight line rush , they also can pivot and stay on target ... One or two hits may or may not stop the attack ... Have heard of two hunters with a local skilled guide that shot a large Grizzly ,, Guide requires you to sit and smoke a pack of cigarettes before approaching the downed bear ... They didn't show up back at camp when expected and another couple guides went to search ,, found a dead bear and three dead hunters .... Seems even when shot multiple times the nervous system of the bear didn't know it was dead ... completed task at hand ...
I got charged by a silvertip while out alone in Montana couple years back. Lookin for sheds. Soon as I saw the bear I drew my Ruger in my right and my bear spray in my left. But for some reason, instinctively I guess, I took one big powerful step toward the bear and let out a woof of my own. That’s what did it. Not the bear spray, not the lead. My demeanor.
Watching this when in about 2 weeks I'm gonna be doing seasonal work in yellowstone is wild. I was highly debating on taking my gun but now I am certain I will be taking my gun lol
What gun ?
The one you lost in a boating accident? Hopefully you can get a new one in time!
I want 1000% agree both I also carry both, we have grizz and cats here
I've been carrying revolver forever now.
But i have considered a 10mm because of the capacity and Power recoil as well. The shoot nice I haven't decided yet tho
I lived in Alaska for 14 years. 45-70 was my preferred rifle. Cannot go wrong with a 12 guage. I later had a 454 casull in a bandolier. I was bluff charged once. I never had to fire in self defense. Make a lot of noise and most likely will be fine. If hunting and must remain quiet, then move as slow as possible to not frighten or surprise a bear. Bears run at you like a dog. Its not straight. They lean to one side or another. What you want to aim at is that leading front shoulder. Their hide and bones are thick. If you aim for that shoulder, it will slow them or possibly stop the attack. It is important to learn this while hunting moose or blacktail deer in southeast. Gun shots are sometimes a dinner bell for bears. This is for brown bears. Blackbears can be vicious, though i have never seen it. Pretty much any firearm will work on them. Shot placement is always key. I have heard .357 is just fine.
The longer barrel revolver had to much holster angle , a flatter carry angle like the short barrel would have made the times closer.
454 C- BB HARDCAST ,
The dual wielding of spray and gun is not advised. First, it could result in inadvertent spraying of yourself. Second it takes focus off one weapon system. It’s akin to dual wielding pistols. Lastly, you won’t have time to use both likely.
Carry a gun. Leave the spray at home.
Im from the school of thought more is better high capacity 40 or 9mm , more is better. 18-21 rounds underwood deep penetrator
Thank You for Your Service Sir! Hardcast or Penetrator? Like the real gun use! Is it better than C.S. gas?
Bear spray or other non-lethal weapon will help you if you find yourself between bear cub and his mom
An important disclaimer…. No tight pants was harmed during the filming 😂😂 jokes aside… this was superb information… also ole boy took that bear spray to the face while dudes were coughing and gagging 😂. My choice would be the 10mm….. I use to think revolver but seeing if the bear was up close whipping out the law rocket to shoot 300+grain tomahawks would be less than ideal… more rounds on target with the semi auto.
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It sounds like this video when you compare to those in-the comments and what they said your going to be eatin flat out with bear spray and a flare ,
You better be packing Hot loads and nothing less ..
Obviously semi is better but not as reliable so reply just up
To you
Bear country .44 mag wheel gun , self defense my 9mm double stacker .
Bw -- i was the the first in moyock- - 2nd fr recon n.c born n bred-- i remember the backhoe clearin days-
Lol they make it sound like you need to pay money and do training to go in the woods lol i hope most men like me been shooting and in the woods growing up right ive never needed training and ive been all over hiking and living in 🐻 country. Training is good for the range they have set up but i suggest what there actually doing which on you tube you can get all fundamentals and than practicing at home you to can become a way more confident shooter .the point is you dont need to pay for training in order to be prepared for the threat .
Somebody should invent a powerful stun gun for bear defense? 🤔
This is a stupid video. The real question is, which one’s going to work more often. Are you more likely to get a jam with the revolver? I didn’t think so.
Even by just your comment I can tell not only do you not know anything about guns, but you can't shoot your way out of a brown paper sack
Best way, don’t be where grizzlies are at
I often think the ultimate bear defense gun at close range would be one of those 10mm MP5 submachine guns the FBI had in the 1980's. A 30 round mag and full auto should do the trick. To bad we mere peons cannot have something like that.
Ok, you've got a point here
You can deploy the bear spray without taking it out of the holster.
Before the video, I'm gonna ask; Which do you have more time with?
Would a 10" blackout AR pistol work?
I’ve met more than one Chaplin who was pipe-hitter prior to become a man of the cloth. 75th, Group, and one who may have been CAG 😊
No actual American gives a fuck about anybody who serves the gestapo while claiming to be serving their country
I'd love to go to Idaho to do their courses.
I think it's Bozeman Montana
Knowledge is power listen and learn excellent video ✨👍
What happens when a forest fire is started from that flare?? I think that is a bad idea, and borderline useless.
Winter is chill here. November to May.
I'd go with the Revolver.
Hide/skin thickness vs caliber vs ballistic bullet speed vs stress
marine flare for the win
Do you guys plan on making the Canik Mete SFX available in the light bearing model of the spectre shoulder holster anytime soon? It’s the only thing holding me back from buying one as I don’t want to remove my light
Likely not. Sorry.
It's likely possible to attach what you need with needle & thread.
As a traveler of our great nation and a former Marine and Law Enforcement instructor, I’m confident. Maybe overconfident! I need to relearn! I NEED THIS COURSE. SERIOUSLY! Btw, how would a .40 do????
won't the bear's head be bobbing up and down?
Im not sure what caliber i need.
... assuming you have had an armed confrontation with a Grizzly with an attitude problem and were successful in defending your life to the fatal detriment of the attacking bear ... this begs the question that nobody ever answers ... what the heck do you do with 400 or so pounds of Grizzly meat???? ... any good Grizzly recipes??
seems like light bullets for grizz
Big heavy bullets that create massive blood loss.
As long as you can make quick, accurate hits. And most of the guys carrying the fire breathing loads, can't.
Why do the guys have such tight pants ?
I saw a while back a movie called,White Ghost I BELIEVE. It was a TRUE story about a Bad @$$ minister,that picked up an AK an a BIBLE, and put the Lord and his talent to use. Would love to sit with you some day.
Those chest rigs kinda suck for big guns. I run a hip holster, it's faster.
Always carry however you are most comfortable! Chest rigs offer unique advantages to backpack hunting such as keeping your firearm on you at all times instead of one mounted to a backpack hip belt. Running a hip holster under a backpack strap will have you rubbed raw by the time you hike any significant distance
@@GunfightersINC I prefer it on the hip if I'm just hiking withing nothing at all on me, but that's about never. First time I went fishing I quickly figured out the gun was going to be useless under the waders on the hip and got one of your rigs.
Brown bears are ambush predators so you may need to draw after being knocked down. The shorter barrels are definitely a better choice.
The best Grizzly bear defense?
A BAZOOKA!
Next question?
Glock 20 230 grain hard cast 16 rounds extra mag is my side arm main gun is remington 870 pump slugs
Diablo 12 gauge handgun. Buy online, no ffl needed. Load with 120 grains black powder and a 12 gage slug. You have two shots. GO!
The rolling bear targets won't continue to steamroll you over after they have been shot ...
They don’t simulate being eaten alive either 😂
Absolutely correct, and grizz can travel almost twice as fast as this target. But it's always good to train and try to mimic scenarios. Like Caleb said you will either rise to occasion or fall to your lowest level of prep.
9 mm with underwood ammo
Great stuff! Surprised at the lack of lanyards though.
12 ga. 00 buck / slug
Yes!
Spray
It seems to me that a manufacturer might build a large caliber carbine for this backwoods market.
Using a flare as defense is only reasonable in the snowy winter months. Though Bears are Hopefully Hibernating. Forest fires are a thing in Montana.
Ruger Redhawk 4.2 in 45 LC. Guides Choice Chest Holster. Ashley Emerson's Garrett 365 gr or 405 gr SuperHardCast Hammerheads @ 1250 fps.
And you probably couldn't even make one hit on this guy's range
Some experts say that ultra loud air horns can be effective.
Curious why hip holsters weren’t tested. Noticed y’all had to use two hands to effectively pull the pistols from either holster. A smaller gun you can fire accurately is better than a big gun you can’t shoot accurately.
These methods of carry are far more comfortable when backpacking as a hip holster will rub you raw. You can attach a hip holster to a backpack belt but many of us prefer to have our pistol on us at all times in grizz country and the backpack comes off often
@@GunfightersINC you should check out Blade Tech’s duty drop. I have a video on it, demonstrating it’s ease of use with a pack on.
So why are you guys removing legitimate comments?
Short barreled 12ga is the answer for general hiking and fishing in Brown Bear or Grizzly country. I grew up in SE Alaska. The only guys that carry handguns are from out of State. Not as convenient, but vastly superior. I now live in Idaho and have a 329pd in .44 mag for backup during archery. I caved for convenience.
Hard to summit a mountain, cut firewood, fish , skin game, clean fish with a long gun. Obviously a shotgun will win the power contest but it's likely not in reach when you need it if your working or doing stuff when you need it. Chest holster is hard to beat from taking a shit to skinning or fishing horseback atvs and such it's always on you.
A flair in the woods I don't think so. Just what we need more forest fires.
You should try pneumonia it don’t really knock you down
They dont make auto loaders in .454
Dumb question! Do you want 6 rounds or 15?
Always be beside someone who runs slower than you
I want to attend this course so badly 🤘🏼
please read my comment
All I can hear is dude chewing gum
And, this was stating at the bear consudering if it would charge. Imagine your back turned not knowing the bear is there.
Yeah we'd be toast. But train for what you can train for and you'll find yourself better prepared for all scenarios
You are only going to have "One option". Better chose wisely.
A can of spices won't be our first choice
I heard stories about 10mm not able to stop a bear fast enough. With several shots bear can still charge at you.
Good, Thx