I think if DLC maps connected to the base maps, it would make people want to play them more. Speaking for myself, I launched the Hot Wheels map twice and forgot about it completely.
I played through up until X Class, got about halfway through that and was done with it. The fact that I can't just drive to it is 100% why I haven't revisited in ages. I reckon I got about 10 sessions of playtime out of it.
I didn't because the game loads me into it, but I'm not a huge fan of it. I do like the cars, but they're not worth $20. Nor is this one worth $20, wish I'd known that before I purchased it. (Yes, stupid on my part, I know that.)
Agreed, while I want to get extra points for the Playlist by doing the Hot Wheels Championship and PR stunt, the load time and disconnect from the main map is a major deterrent for me. Hopefully Horizon 6 (if it ever comes out and seems reasonable at launch) will have an expanding map like how we thought we could drive over the bridge north of Edinburgh in Horizon 4. I hope this is good enough that removing Dirt 4 from my hard drive was worth it 😕
I like rally, and I'm probably going to play this, but it feels weird considering that the main map isn't bad for rallying. If anything, more tarmac may be what the base map needed
The main map is passable for rally, but like mentioned in the video, the main map tracks are a lot of high speed, with very few slower technical courses. And lack of tarmac yeah.
I'd say the main map is ok for gravel/dirt rallying but totally forgets most rallies are actually on tarmac, and this is the first time i see good tarmac semi-tight twisties on fh5. The road up the mountain on the main map is too wide and is too much of a hairpin fest.
Burnout paradise big surf island DLC connected to the main map and is still one of the coolest map DLC in any racing game. Forza really needs to catch up in some key areas that other games got right ages ago.
You can't compare the Forza engine to Burnout Paradise. I think it's more a server issue being the reason they can't merge the maps yet. The online aspect is a big focus for Horizon than it was for Burnout. Think! Think!
I think Raycevick's racing games video put it pretty well. Overall modern racing games have been suffering of putting their resources and priorities in the wrong places. Like its still fun but we could have it so much better...
His video was trash. Sounded like the words of a super casual. Said you have to mod ACC cars into AC to have fun. Like what else could speak casual than that. Place the cars into a game with lesser physics and GT3 dynamics to have fun.
I disagree with some of the stuff Raycevick said, but his general take was spot on. These games are all too focused on graphical fidelity and physics, and so career mode is usually a comparative afterthought. I can't speak for Forza, but GT7's biggest problem is that, after one week playing the game, there's little left to do, and single-player shuts down. I could elaborate for paragraphs about how empty Gran Turismo 7 becomes once you've completed the final race, but suffice to say this is a game that hands you the keys to lovingly crafted renditions of all the cars you could ever want and then struggles to give you a single reason to keep driving them. GT7 is the very definition of "all dressed up and nowhere to go".
To me, one of the best parts of the DLC is the fact that the race doesn't immediately start. It doesn't instantly go "GO". The marshall actually does a countdown, from 3 to "go". This is already much better than the current Horizon event start. This way, you actually get some time to prepare. You can actually rev the engine to warm up.
This expansion really recalls Colorado 2012 in my opinion. I’m especially reminded of the Mustang v. Mustang and Raise the Rüf showcases. I still return to Blizzard Mountain when I can because Horizon has yet to offer another full-time winter experience like that. But yeah, the expansions always feel remote. Worked better for Australia than the other regions.
Agreed that the DLC should connect. Also the travelling between main map and DLC makes me not go there often. I expected some better rally cars, like you said, perhaps some Lancias :(
What's notable with the map in this expansion is how much more natural it feels in comparison to the base map. Where the base map feels like they drew up the roads first and just added the environment around them, this feels like the opposite, where they created a natural landscape and then added in the roads where they would logically be placed in real life. This not only leads to the tarmac roads being more undulating and bumpy, like how I imagine roads in Mexico being, but the gravel and offroad sections feel more raw and unforgiving. I really hope this teases a shift in how PG designs maps, because this is how you make them more memorable.
My biggest complain is lack of actual rally cars. Where are all of the Lancias - Stratos, 037, Fulvia, Delta Integrale and S4? Where are other notably cars like Peugot 206 WRC, Citroen Xsara WRC, Abarth 500? They really could work harder on getting license from Stellantis. Or get plenty of other important rally cars. Instead, we are getting dozen of boring truck and buggies, which almost nobody likes to drive.
the launch control gotta be the coolest feature I've seen in a while. Yea you could put the car into reverse and hit the gas and back into 1st gear but I like this
i actually still do something very similar to the old launch control with my drag car because neither the old nor the new launch control can get it to leave properly
I hold e brake 100% throttle 100% and I slowly push in the clutch until the revs hp tq and boost launch up and stay up. Ussually between 60-98% clutch depends on the car. Always launches full boost and like half hp/tq
@@savethedsms2449 since I use a controller, slowly releasing the clutch isn't am option for me. So I play manual without clutch. To launch my car I shift into reverse and right before I launch I shift into 1st and hold down the throtle, it's the only way that my dragster doesn't spin out
My only few complaints with the antilag update is that some cars just have waaay too much popping. And maybe the sound could be a little more "violent"? If that's the right word lol. Real life anti lag sounds nearly like gunfire.. The antilag in forza just sounds... Off. Im sure it's hard to replicate and they really did a good job with it. If I could make any suggestions it would be to: 1. Have a slider kinda like NFS with "raw/subtle" backfire. 2. Be able to pick and choose which blow off valve noise you'd like for the turbo. It's a small and nitpicky thing.. But for example both Supras share the same race turbo BOV (and pretty much engine sound too) and it is God awful lol. It's the reason I haven't put antilag on my supra because I go with the sport turbo or whatever. Simply because the ridiculous flutter on race turbo is annoying. And it'll go off even if you shift into reverse or another gear. Just those 2 changes would make me completely satisfied with the update, except for the fact I would've rather had like a city map or something. But I'm happy with what we got. I'm still having fun seeing which cars sound and drive the best with antilag and launch control. I'm glad they added the features so they're there. They can always improve on it in the future if needed.
And some of you might say "just don't drive the supra" or whatever. But, for 1. I like the supra lol and I'd like the extra 100hp without an annoying ass BOV that an 8yo would find cool. And 2. There's a *ton* of cars, usually the higher power ones of course... With the same BOV sound. Like 99% of the mclarens for example. Which that BOV doesn't even fit that car in my opinion. The more *pssh* sound the other turbos make is more realistic lol. Just my stupid complaints I figured I'd share. I've hated that stupid BOV since it was introduced, probably in fh4 but maybe earlier. I refuse to rock it
Generally race spec turbo systems don't have a BOV, especially ones with anti-lag, so you get turbo flutter as a result. I can agree though, I find the sound they use for flutter annoying and a little on the loud side.
@@BiIlDipperIy it's one of the few things that is somewhat realistic. Go watch videos of the Toyota Tacoma pikes peak and listen to that thing flutter away.
Rally adventure: Gives you 4x4 trucks and buggies that are not rally related, and IMO this should have been $10. Though I fully agree that the extra maps should be added onto the main maps. The different maps end up splitting the players between maps and makes for less full lobbies. Wich being payed dlc is always going to do that but if it was pay to add on then you could do runs and custom rounts between sections. Imagine running a goliath type race between Base mexico, into rally adventure and ending in some crazy hotwheels runs. it would help balance out some of the racing too as having to run between tight technical tracks, highspeed supercar sections and also having to deal with some of the crazy stunts from hotwheels.
I really wish this was a "mud runners" style DLC, the regular map is already great for rally racing, and honestly the DLC didnt really feel any different than the regular games rally. But, if they did a map with new mud physics, where you can get struck, did huge ruts, amd even have rock climbing i would love it. Horizon has tons of truck's, buggys, and off road vehicles, but no events or terrain to actually use them. Imagine mud racing, or rock climbing courses, you could have mud hole challenges were only the best offroad builds could get through. It would add another style of gameplay that Forza has yet to do. They are already adding new tire profiles, suspension setups, and differentials, would differentiate offroad parts from rally parts even more. You could have and extreme offroad Goliath where you uave to navigate trails, rocks, water crossings, and mud, would be even better if wenches were added and you could pull other players out. It would break up the monotony of straight up racing.
I like trucks, but I like proper rally cars more if we're talking about a videogame. I like how Rally cars usually have small engines (6cylinders or less) and trucks completely negate that being either electric (which I dislike since no shifting, even thought I normally play on auto, I want the choice, since playing manual is fun) or having huge V8s or V10s.
I've said it before, but the whole game would be a lot cooler if the off road meta wasn't so dumb. I'm just not down for my well thought out dream builds getting smoked by a toy car, and my group B monsters getting smoked by a 1970s lemans car with truck tires.
NGL I miss how Forza Motorsport 4 handled things in a way, with far less of "anything goes" and more of car classes. I don't want my modern muscle car going up against an older supercar with drag tires, or my FWD Escort having to race against a 4WD pickup truck.
@@benjaminford8173 Absolutely. I think the game would actually be much better with more grounded build options. The AWD swap everything always bothered me, limiting it to cars where it's actually been done would make them more interesting and special. Same with engine swaps. No one ever swaps an F40, but I dare you to name an engine that hasn't been in a 240sx. I think doing this would require more work on the devs part for balancing and making cars fit into classes better, but that obviously has never been a priority. FH has really turned into a digital version of the "nuh-uh! My (imaginary car) is faster because ____" fights we all had when we were 12.
I wont lie, I am happy with it. I mainly like to roam around with my main focus being drifting and rally 'Stages' so I think this DLC is pretty perfect for me.
Definitely better drift roads than base game, it's not perfect but I think it's pretty good, I'll play it a lot more than the hot wheels expansion for sure
For me the most "funny" thing about this expansion is that you can do a rally course with non rally cars. Even Rally open (online) is just like a normal race. Maybe i am missing something but it would be cool to have Rally centered online racing like doing splits and compete with others on timing.
The devs are so out of touch when it comes to communicating with the players. They know what the community wants (or at least I assume they do), and yet they do the exact opposite.
The only thing about connecting the DLC to the base game map would be that I feel like they couldn't thematically make it any different from the base map without it feeling disconnected anyway. Not that I'm saying having a similar yet also disconnected map was a good idea either...
rally could have been a chance to finally get away from mile wide roads. That would have been the ONE defining feature seeing as it obviously wasn't the rally cars themselves. At this point all I can hope for is more competition from other games
I want the ability to set transmission on a per car basis. Can we also please separate RWD and AWD from drift adventure or split leaderboards. Course vote would be nice. Reverse courses would be nice. I do 100000000% agree it would be nice if the new areas were connected having to map hop on every login is frustrating since I mostly just do online drift adventure.
This has all been needed for way too long, it’s infuriating that they add new clothes to the game when things like this are still missing. The tyre profile thing will come to more cars, maybe in horizon 6 though.
To be fair it is a Forza game, they’re not going to change the car physics for a dlc. Dirt Rally 2.0 does that well though, but it’s not easy that’s for sure.(I know I’m a year late and you probably won’t see this)
@@ElectricianAl I was thinking more about vechicle damage and things such as trees being an actual obstacle instead of slowing you down a little bit, but of course that could make the open world experience worse but they could have at least made the campaign mode based around championships and add some vechicle damage.
I really like it! It is totally different from the stale roads on the basemap. The roads here feels like the roads here in Norway, and it also took me back to arcade,racers in the late 90s. The small jumps, tight corners and elevation, it was like Porsche unleashed, Moto racer and Colin McRae rally. And everything faster than S1 is tricky as hell 😍
The offroad BAJA focused vehicle additions in this update really confused me. I figured it was because there was going to be heavy focus on BAJA type driving. long technical offroad endurance. Which, theres literally none of. You COULD use the Baja vehicles to do the rally/race events, Their not completely ill suited, But it is a very bizarre focus for something that is explicitly meant for another class of car. You would think of this being the return of Lancia and Alfa. And maybe that was their original plan, but still couldnt make it work with stelantas. So they settled for this. But its still very odd to fill your explicit Rally expansion with BAJA vehicles. As if an Indy car expansion were to be filled with Nascar and stock car rosters.
I was a bit worried going into this expansion, but I've largely been enjoying it. I think the rally experience is pretty weak in the base game, but I've been really impressed with the routes I've driven in this expansion thus far. I, too, wish the expansion map was accessible by driving from somewhere on the base map, and I'm hopeful that's something Playground Games can manage once support for native Xbox One releases ends for the series.
One thing I want to praise is that we finally have some competition in the game the characters have taken a big step toward being interesting in this expansion. The friendly banter is something I've been missing for a long time in Horizon.
They really missed the opportunity to introduce rally cars more people would have cared about like the GR cars or N cars as a base platform that could be modified into a rally spec car. I think you are definitely not alone when saying trucks and buggies are not your favourite cars to drive in horizon
I whole heartedly agree about them combining the maps to the base game world. Ive been saying this for years and when I heard this was in mexico and not apart of it. Now seeing how small it is is honestly pretty garbage that it's not apart of the regular map. L there Same with the cars I don't use buggy's, I'd rather make my regular vehicles in to off-roaders. I do use trucks but more regular road vehicles would have been better. This was a prime chance to get the TRX, Raptor R, Rivians, SRT Wrangler, new Ranger Raptor, Bronco Raptor (i want a 4dr bronco). Plenty cool offroaders they could have mixed with rally cars for this list. Missed opportunity again The tire size change is great but it's limited and not all suvs and trucks got the same options. Some only got one slightly bigger options that are barely noticeable. This is also why ALL vehicles need the track width upgrades because having the tires constantly tucked super far under the vehicles, especially on lifted trucks/suvs with big tires, makes it look dumb. TRACK WIDTH FOR ALL CARS.
I think Rally Adventure was a home run. Such a different gameplay experience, making every drive and race exciting. Feels different from Mexico but still part of the series. They nailed it here.
PGG first should know the difference between Rally & Baja, it’s insulting And to answer your question, no FH5 don’t need more of the same, FH5 needs fixing, desperately needs bug fixing.
I'm a drifter and although the expansion is aimed towards rallying, I see the map being made for drifting, it's full of great twisty asphalt roads with some of them being kinda like mountain roads with pretty dangerous drop-offs and the roads are not too flat either
As I just moved to Forza due to getting a PC about a year ago, I was so hyped for the DLC's, and even though I wasnt super excited about the Hotwheels DLC I was hyped for it due to never playing the old one on the previous game. However I feel like Ive been let down from both DLC's due to map size and the same feeling you mentioned about not returning after completing the DLC. Heck I STILL havent completed the Hotwheels DLC, I just got tired or spawning there and switched my spawn halfway through and completely stopped playing it.
exact same thing happened to me with the hotwheels dlc. didn't even do the X class races. just unlocked the fucking x wing or whatever it's called and called it a day.
I will tell you this, FH3 did the Hot Wheels expansion way better than FH5. That or the fact that we already Hot Wheels in FH5, that it totally underwhelmed in FH5. Rally Adventure continues my disappointment with FH5's dlc. Last time I buy the premium pass without knowing what's releasing lol
Nice, well worded review. Downloading the expansion now and watching other's reviews too and feel yours seems to be the most accurate and honest. Looking forward to the new content once it downloads. Thanks for your time and video!
I'm a big fan of rallying so even though the DLC has some low points, it seems like the high points in driving experience are going to be worth it for me. Just in it for good fun.
I'd just like to point out the online limitations with the DLC map being connected to the base map. With open lobbies, it'd be tricky to limit players who don't have the DLC from entering that area. This must be a dominant reason for the separation.
To be quite honest, even though i’m a massive rally fan, this DLC is absolutely terrible. I think i played for about 40 minutes before just watching UA-cam because it was so boring and that says a lot because usually when a DLC comes out i play for 3-7 hours to complete it. I mean the fastest cars you can really drive without crashing are in B class. Like what!??!?
A lot of my friends and people I know play horizon, and every time I ask them what they think of the new DLC they all say "eh, looks okay" Most people seem to be most excited about the anti lag more than any part of this expansion, and that's kind of sad if you think about it. I think the problem is playground games does whatever they think is cool or shows off technical aspects of the game while neglecting what the majority of the player base actually WANTS. And it feels like its been this way for a decade. I think the majority of people want a big city to progress your way through an underground racing scene or something. Or some kind of drift career where you start form grass roots and work your way up to a pro. More features like anti lag and 2 step, better customization like placing decals on windows and changing tire profiles for ALL vehicles (and updating the god awful forza aero)
They added a radio station with actual good music? what's happening? now if only they perhaps replaced the shitty hospital records with some good old trance music station it'd be golden
FH Devs are too stupid to incorporate the expansions into the Base Game, just like after a Year, you still can't see other players on the Map... they have some horrible Devs....
Honestly, I see myself playing on the rally map quite a bit. the main map is 80% powerbuild focused, where this map is really technical and like you said, benefits lower class cars and more handling/balanced build focused. In a way, this *is* what FH5 needed, but not with the theme, but the roads and races alone. The PI system is busted and unbalanced as heck but this map is the ultimate equalizer. I think that alone is what made this map so enjoyable and refreshing.
I totally agree with the maps being connected especially with them being so similar in looks, I mean il let pg off with the hotwheels maps as it's literally in the air. A cool way the could have done it imo is by having us drive through a tunnel and as we blast out the other side where seamlesly driving into the rally map. An added bonus is the epitaph radio station tuning into our cars radio as we do.
This is a very valuable review video. I like how you start off with the critiques. In my mind, I'm always hoping that the devs see these videos and you do a good job of summarizing how we as a community feel toward these updates. I do like the road layouts as well but like you said it'd be nice if it were more unique environments. Thank you for making these reviews!
I agree with basically everything you have said here, although from my relatively minimal playthrough of the DLC, I have really enjoyed it a lot, which was surprising as I was very skeptical going in. First of all, I fully agree about the map extension thing. I literally only go to the Hot Wheels park to get my weekly super wheelspin, and then immediately go back to the base map once I have that done. Quite frankly, I barely even enjoyed the map when I was playing through it. In terms of play time, I have not played that much so far, but I do remember the hot wheels feeling far too short to be enjoyable, so we will see how this one goes. I am not exactly a rally fan, and I wasn't really excited for more of the base game's map style in the DLC, but after driving around the map, and playing a few of the races, I was pleasantly surprised. I think the Grit Reapers section, with minimap and drive line turned off, using the new rally race type on unbeatable difficulty has been the most enjoyable racing experience I have had with horizon in a while. I feel that doing each race once with the rally cards and then again with the traditional racing style will extend the playability of the DLC, we will see when I get to that stage. I love the canyon carving section of the map, and the whole place is just gorgeous (albeit a few of the buildings I did recognise from the base map, but I can forgive that). Like you said, the roads are far more complex to navigate, which I have been enjoying so much. In terms of the cars, I am also more of a sports car fan, so I don't particularly care for the buggies and trucks they have added. One of my favourite cars maybe of all time is the Marc Philip Gemballa Marsien (yes yes its a porsche with a body kit whatever) and I was hoping we would get some more rally-ified sports cars, I guess like the 911 GT3 FE, but the lack of that was a bit disappointing. The F150 lightning is unbearably boring to drive, and I am not saying that because I am an electric hater, one of my favourite cars in the game is the Rimac concept 2 and it is nice to see we are getting the Nevera, although I was under the impression they are the same car so I am curious to see what the differences will be. Overall, I went in thinking this would be a complete utter flop and so far it definitely hasn't been. We will see how I feel once I finish it, but so far, the DLC definitely hasn't been bad, and this coming alongside one of the best playlist updates we have gotten in months (maybe ever for FH5), I have fallen back in love with the game.
Some of the really tight roads within the expansion are amazing for drift cars, it was honestly probably a better update for drifters than it was for offroad or rally enthusiasts
I really like the idea of a rally expantion, but having only a single new classic rally car and not a single of Sebastien Loeb the GOAT of the discipline is a real let down
I can definitely say that this dlc has taught me more about throttle control than any other experience ever has, and I'm over 40, so I've played a LOT of racing games.
How about, you know, adding RALLY CARS in a RALLY ADVENTURE?? There are so many rally cars that they could have added! Tbh the antilag is what carries the whole update... Overall, it's a decent update.
i think that the rally dlc sort of completes the spectrum of road types in the game, i mainly drive on asphalt, but i saw the hotwheels dlc as being the supercar, long straightaway, high speed dlc, and the rally dlc being the low power, tight corner, technical driving dlc
I don’t understand it. Burnout Paradise did this over a decade ago and The Crew 2 did it with the Motorflix arena for free. Is a seamless map update that hard?
I didnt play it yet. But i have a big problem with Expensions in Horizon since FH2. I dont finish them because for my casual Play-Sessions i always land in the Normal-Game Cycle. And its sad. i loved FH3-Hotwheels but i did around 4 hours in it. Now in FH5 i sink in some more hours but in the end, i tune and design cars and test them in PVP. And now without competitive-PVP iam getting fatigue even faster. :( i hope i have some time to test the update. but in the end i wish competitive comes back with a big PI-Update...
Totally agree with the cars added, I've also felt the lack of true rally CARS. And considering the good technical new roads, it would be fun with more classic rally racers of the 70s (eg. Alfa Romeo Alfetta GT Gr. 4, Alpine Renault A310 V6, Ferrari 308 GTb Gr. 4, Lancia Stratos, Peugeot 504 Coupe, Simca 1000 Rallye, Skoda 180 RS, Triumph TR7 V8)
I am trying really hard to reserve judgement until I’ve played it but it just seems lazy to me, they basically just cut, copy, pasted the map together out of the base game. Also, they call it rally, and we get only 1 rally car. It should have been something that added to the game rather than just the same old same old.
Personally they should just call it baja rally because that’s theme they went with since mexico loves baja rally then wrc. But could easily call it different if they aren’t giving more rally cars for something called rally adventure
My only gripe? Needs more races. But overall, this DLC somewhat takes me back to the old rally games I used to play... Colin McRae Rally 2.0. Ahhh, the memories. 🥲
it would be so great if the hotwheels map was literally above the main map and there was a windy mountain pass connecting sierra nueva to the north of it
i would have been more excited with simple QoL changes like, better multiplayer, more multiplayer stuff to do, incentives for competition online, finally ditching the outdated save file limits and so on. Any expansion theme does not matter, because the core game is struggling.
I honestly believe the issues he pointed out is because we're still in the last gen console era - once we truly get PS5/Series X only it'll be so much better
Totally agree that DLC maps expanding the base map would be a much better experience. Especially DLCs like Rally where the landscape could seamlessly fit into the map already. As for dealing with segmenting the playerbase between owners of the DLC and not, I don't see why they can't just give everyone the map. Lock the cars, races, events and rewards behind the purchase of the DLC, but include the map into an update to keep everyone in the same lobbies. Of course, it could potentially limit the types of DLC we get in the future, but I think it's a worthwhile tradeoff. It's not impossible to adapt DLC like Hot Wheels into the existing environment via an expanded map, it would just take more effort. With how the games seem to push for more online interaction, I think something like expanding the map via DLC would be in their best interest. They'd have to put in more work and more value into the actual price of the dlc, but if they did it'd lead to a much more exciting and healthier game
Having the large, brightly colored plumes of smoke seems to make the rally callouts completely pointless. Just aim towards the smoke for the most part.
I think what this expansion needs is the ability to shoot that helicopter down. It is a hazard. It blocks visibility with the dust it kicks up, and sometimes blinds you with that searchlight.
My favorite part about the new expansions is how it gives me drift zones to do again. I'm still annoyed that they messed up the drift zones on the main map. I loved trying to beat my personal best scores in drift zones in FH4. That and ranked drift adventure were my favorite things to do in FH4.
Expanding the map and adding the experience is exactly what FH5 needs. Now we are playing three different games not connecting to other players expanding the community.
Literally a large majority of Forza players want to drive fast in a straight line, or slide corners. A Mix of the 2 is optimal for Professional Drivers as well.
I feel like their way of handling map expansions is the way it is because it's a remnant of the previous console generation. Either that or they really do think having it separate is better. Either way, it's dumb as hell.
I did almost all of the Rivals races in the CountrymanALL4 in B class. And Meridian was amazing, I was in awe at that one. Could've used more rally hatchbacks and sedans for sure. Would've loved Lancia and Alfa Romeo for this DLC.
PI rating between around 650 and 750 are my favourites to play on this map. I just got a wheel and I am really enjoying it driving like you said, in first person, and radio off and focussing purely on the different surfaces in front of you. I agree to what you say about the campaign itself. I liked that they showed three aspects of rallying in the three different teams. and I liked the character interactions between Ale, Alex and Rame. But I hoped for a little more of a WRC9 style campaign. and this was over very quickly. I did only went on to the next tier when I had the current tier 100% done. but nonetheless the campaign was over very quickly. Also, I am sad the pace notes don't really give you enough information about speed, length and quickness of the corners and the entire stage actually.
I feel like what Forza is missing the most is an improved and more in-depth upgrade system with integrated brands that reflect their real-world counterparts a bit more. It adds something extra for car enthusiasts. I also want to see better audio, as some of the car audio is so inaccurate. Also, we just need better/function interiors. Its so weird seeing things look so lifeless and dead in the interiors.
Other than touring the map occasionally and enjoying the luscious scenery, I'm really only interested in two things: preparing a car (mechanically and visually) and driving it in multiplayer races (B Class rally or road), so the progression and all that means little to me--although I like the idea of joining a long-term faction. The problem I was having with the mainland racing was I'm not into power-centered Trails and Sprints. I'm a technical driver. I love the Guanajuato circuits and some of the tighter scrambles, such as Mangrove and River, that require driving skill rather than power builds. This expansion does that perfectly. Although I was still enjoying mainland Open multiplayer B-level racing, this has given me greater passion for it. So far, I love all the maps, and I think they will more often reward good drivers. I've already seen examples of players that use meta-tuned cars and throw their cars all over the courses, using their extremely high power, walls, and perhaps cheats to compensate for their lack of driving talent and desire for competitive challenge. Additionally, the racing seems to be much closer and less predictable, an area where Wreckfest has excelled over FH5.
"It feels like a different spinoff game" Thats because functionally, physically, it is. I have my Rally adventure DLC on a different drive letter than my base game. Entirely different install folder. Remember the FatF DLC for Horizon 2? That was basically just like all the other DLC, except it had its own boot file and main menu.
I really love rally, its my fav racing category even above drifting, that said, this expansion is not fkin rally, its a baja inspired expansion, I really got my expectations down when I saw the cars list, the rest speaks for itself. one thing I will say: baja likes big fking jumps and a wide open field to go trough, wich the expansion presents, rally is about tight corners and sketchy roads wich little to no room, doesnt need to be so simulation-like, but its just dumb to say its rally when its almos clearly a baja inspired expansion
I would argue the rally expansion isn't what the series needed as a whole but instead exactly what Horizon 5 is all about. They always intented it to be more offroad/rally focused. Just because the community is crying for a city map doesn't mean they can just deliver one when they probably had this DLC planned for at least a year
I think if DLC maps connected to the base maps, it would make people want to play them more. Speaking for myself, I launched the Hot Wheels map twice and forgot about it completely.
Wouldn't work with older consoles. There's already a huge memory issue with the game.
I played through up until X Class, got about halfway through that and was done with it. The fact that I can't just drive to it is 100% why I haven't revisited in ages. I reckon I got about 10 sessions of playtime out of it.
I didn't because the game loads me into it, but I'm not a huge fan of it.
I do like the cars, but they're not worth $20.
Nor is this one worth $20, wish I'd known that before I purchased it. (Yes, stupid on my part, I know that.)
dang,i just deleted fh3 yesterday and just now remembered that i didn't play through the expansions lol
Agreed, while I want to get extra points for the Playlist by doing the Hot Wheels Championship and PR stunt, the load time and disconnect from the main map is a major deterrent for me.
Hopefully Horizon 6 (if it ever comes out and seems reasonable at launch) will have an expanding map like how we thought we could drive over the bridge north of Edinburgh in Horizon 4.
I hope this is good enough that removing Dirt 4 from my hard drive was worth it 😕
I like rally, and I'm probably going to play this, but it feels weird considering that the main map isn't bad for rallying. If anything, more tarmac may be what the base map needed
The main map is passable for rally, but like mentioned in the video, the main map tracks are a lot of high speed, with very few slower technical courses. And lack of tarmac yeah.
I’d love more narrow tarmac sections like some of the tighter country lanes Horizon 4 had
I'd say the main map is ok for gravel/dirt rallying but totally forgets most rallies are actually on tarmac, and this is the first time i see good tarmac semi-tight twisties on fh5. The road up the mountain on the main map is too wide and is too much of a hairpin fest.
@@delta_13 true.. it's mainly for drifters
exactly. but the tarmac in the DLC is actually the most fun part about the DLC
Burnout paradise big surf island DLC connected to the main map and is still one of the coolest map DLC in any racing game. Forza really needs to catch up in some key areas that other games got right ages ago.
I was thinking the exact same Big surf bridge was magnificent for jumps too what a great game.
Damn, so true. That and MCLA had the best map expansions.
You can't compare the Forza engine to Burnout Paradise. I think it's more a server issue being the reason they can't merge the maps yet. The online aspect is a big focus for Horizon than it was for Burnout. Think! Think!
@@kak8895 they can't connect the dlc map to the main map because of older gen consoles
@@Twiggo_The_Foxxo Nope. It has nothing to do with the console.
I personally love how much smaller and tight these roads are. So much more realistic and fun to drive for me as a slow car C-A class enthusiast
Same! Very much enjoying the tighter somewhat rougher tarmac roads on the expansion. Looking forward to creating some of my own routes today.
yeah, driving an S class car should be like a horror game, similar to how shift 2 unleashed gave me anxiety for driving over 200kmh lol
Same! I think the rally tracks in the expansion stand head and shoulders above the base game. Way more challenging and fun.
Same 🙂
I think Raycevick's racing games video put it pretty well. Overall modern racing games have been suffering of putting their resources and priorities in the wrong places. Like its still fun but we could have it so much better...
Yeah, Raycevick's video was great!
His video was trash. Sounded like the words of a super casual. Said you have to mod ACC cars into AC to have fun. Like what else could speak casual than that. Place the cars into a game with lesser physics and GT3 dynamics to have fun.
I disagree with some of the stuff Raycevick said, but his general take was spot on. These games are all too focused on graphical fidelity and physics, and so career mode is usually a comparative afterthought. I can't speak for Forza, but GT7's biggest problem is that, after one week playing the game, there's little left to do, and single-player shuts down. I could elaborate for paragraphs about how empty Gran Turismo 7 becomes once you've completed the final race, but suffice to say this is a game that hands you the keys to lovingly crafted renditions of all the cars you could ever want and then struggles to give you a single reason to keep driving them.
GT7 is the very definition of "all dressed up and nowhere to go".
@@PIP...33 what?
@@devonnelson6865 WHAT DERANGED ??
I was so devastated to hear the bad part, but the driving review saved it for me. Forza needs a serious revamp if we even get a horizon 6 ever.
To me, one of the best parts of the DLC is the fact that the race doesn't immediately start. It doesn't instantly go "GO". The marshall actually does a countdown, from 3 to "go". This is already much better than the current Horizon event start. This way, you actually get some time to prepare. You can actually rev the engine to warm up.
That’s how they do it in rallying am sure
that's true! it's an underrated part of the new race type that gets quickly overlooked
This expansion really recalls Colorado 2012 in my opinion. I’m especially reminded of the Mustang v. Mustang and Raise the Rüf showcases.
I still return to Blizzard Mountain when I can because Horizon has yet to offer another full-time winter experience like that. But yeah, the expansions always feel remote. Worked better for Australia than the other regions.
Agreed that the DLC should connect. Also the travelling between main map and DLC makes me not go there often. I expected some better rally cars, like you said, perhaps some Lancias :(
What's notable with the map in this expansion is how much more natural it feels in comparison to the base map. Where the base map feels like they drew up the roads first and just added the environment around them, this feels like the opposite, where they created a natural landscape and then added in the roads where they would logically be placed in real life. This not only leads to the tarmac roads being more undulating and bumpy, like how I imagine roads in Mexico being, but the gravel and offroad sections feel more raw and unforgiving. I really hope this teases a shift in how PG designs maps, because this is how you make them more memorable.
My biggest complain is lack of actual rally cars. Where are all of the Lancias - Stratos, 037, Fulvia, Delta Integrale and S4? Where are other notably cars like Peugot 206 WRC, Citroen Xsara WRC, Abarth 500? They really could work harder on getting license from Stellantis. Or get plenty of other important rally cars. Instead, we are getting dozen of boring truck and buggies, which almost nobody likes to drive.
the launch control gotta be the coolest feature I've seen in a while. Yea you could put the car into reverse and hit the gas and back into 1st gear but I like this
i actually still do something very similar to the old launch control with my drag car because neither the old nor the new launch control can get it to leave properly
I hold e brake 100% throttle 100% and I slowly push in the clutch until the revs hp tq and boost launch up and stay up. Ussually between 60-98% clutch depends on the car. Always launches full boost and like half hp/tq
@@savethedsms2449 since I use a controller, slowly releasing the clutch isn't am option for me. So I play manual without clutch. To launch my car I shift into reverse and right before I launch I shift into 1st and hold down the throtle, it's the only way that my dragster doesn't spin out
My only few complaints with the antilag update is that some cars just have waaay too much popping. And maybe the sound could be a little more "violent"? If that's the right word lol. Real life anti lag sounds nearly like gunfire.. The antilag in forza just sounds... Off.
Im sure it's hard to replicate and they really did a good job with it. If I could make any suggestions it would be to:
1. Have a slider kinda like NFS with "raw/subtle" backfire.
2. Be able to pick and choose which blow off valve noise you'd like for the turbo. It's a small and nitpicky thing.. But for example both Supras share the same race turbo BOV (and pretty much engine sound too) and it is God awful lol. It's the reason I haven't put antilag on my supra because I go with the sport turbo or whatever. Simply because the ridiculous flutter on race turbo is annoying. And it'll go off even if you shift into reverse or another gear. Just those 2 changes would make me completely satisfied with the update, except for the fact I would've rather had like a city map or something. But I'm happy with what we got. I'm still having fun seeing which cars sound and drive the best with antilag and launch control. I'm glad they added the features so they're there. They can always improve on it in the future if needed.
And some of you might say "just don't drive the supra" or whatever. But, for 1. I like the supra lol and I'd like the extra 100hp without an annoying ass BOV that an 8yo would find cool.
And 2. There's a *ton* of cars, usually the higher power ones of course... With the same BOV sound. Like 99% of the mclarens for example. Which that BOV doesn't even fit that car in my opinion. The more *pssh* sound the other turbos make is more realistic lol. Just my stupid complaints I figured I'd share. I've hated that stupid BOV since it was introduced, probably in fh4 but maybe earlier. I refuse to rock it
Generally race spec turbo systems don't have a BOV, especially ones with anti-lag, so you get turbo flutter as a result. I can agree though, I find the sound they use for flutter annoying and a little on the loud side.
You can't pick a BOV for a racing turbo. They don't HAVE BOVs. That's why the flutter is so loud.
@@samaramorgan8023 whether it's waste gate or BOV It really doesn't matter. It sounds stupid lmao.
@@BiIlDipperIy it's one of the few things that is somewhat realistic. Go watch videos of the Toyota Tacoma pikes peak and listen to that thing flutter away.
Rally adventure: Gives you 4x4 trucks and buggies that are not rally related, and IMO this should have been $10. Though I fully agree that the extra maps should be added onto the main maps. The different maps end up splitting the players between maps and makes for less full lobbies. Wich being payed dlc is always going to do that but if it was pay to add on then you could do runs and custom rounts between sections. Imagine running a goliath type race between Base mexico, into rally adventure and ending in some crazy hotwheels runs. it would help balance out some of the racing too as having to run between tight technical tracks, highspeed supercar sections and also having to deal with some of the crazy stunts from hotwheels.
I really wish this was a "mud runners" style DLC, the regular map is already great for rally racing, and honestly the DLC didnt really feel any different than the regular games rally. But, if they did a map with new mud physics, where you can get struck, did huge ruts, amd even have rock climbing i would love it. Horizon has tons of truck's, buggys, and off road vehicles, but no events or terrain to actually use them. Imagine mud racing, or rock climbing courses, you could have mud hole challenges were only the best offroad builds could get through. It would add another style of gameplay that Forza has yet to do. They are already adding new tire profiles, suspension setups, and differentials, would differentiate offroad parts from rally parts even more. You could have and extreme offroad Goliath where you uave to navigate trails, rocks, water crossings, and mud, would be even better if wenches were added and you could pull other players out. It would break up the monotony of straight up racing.
Great video.
I also agree that the DLC maps SHOULD connect to the main map in some way. And it can be done without any loadingscreens.
I like trucks, but I like proper rally cars more if we're talking about a videogame.
I like how Rally cars usually have small engines (6cylinders or less) and trucks completely negate that being either electric (which I dislike since no shifting, even thought I normally play on auto, I want the choice, since playing manual is fun) or having huge V8s or V10s.
The DLC was laughably short. I managed to 100% it in 10 hours.
I like how you turned off your mini map for that authentic rally feel and to make use of the pace notes
I've said it before, but the whole game would be a lot cooler if the off road meta wasn't so dumb. I'm just not down for my well thought out dream builds getting smoked by a toy car, and my group B monsters getting smoked by a 1970s lemans car with truck tires.
NGL I miss how Forza Motorsport 4 handled things in a way, with far less of "anything goes" and more of car classes. I don't want my modern muscle car going up against an older supercar with drag tires, or my FWD Escort having to race against a 4WD pickup truck.
@@benjaminford8173 Absolutely. I think the game would actually be much better with more grounded build options. The AWD swap everything always bothered me, limiting it to cars where it's actually been done would make them more interesting and special. Same with engine swaps. No one ever swaps an F40, but I dare you to name an engine that hasn't been in a 240sx. I think doing this would require more work on the devs part for balancing and making cars fit into classes better, but that obviously has never been a priority. FH has really turned into a digital version of the "nuh-uh! My (imaginary car) is faster because ____" fights we all had when we were 12.
I wont lie, I am happy with it. I mainly like to roam around with my main focus being drifting and rally 'Stages' so I think this DLC is pretty perfect for me.
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Definitely better drift roads than base game, it's not perfect but I think it's pretty good, I'll play it a lot more than the hot wheels expansion for sure
yeah I mainly do A class touge, and all the tarmac roads are perfect for it
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For me the most "funny" thing about this expansion is that you can do a rally course with non rally cars. Even Rally open (online) is just like a normal race. Maybe i am missing something but it would be cool to have Rally centered online racing like doing splits and compete with others on timing.
The devs are so out of touch when it comes to communicating with the players. They know what the community wants (or at least I assume they do), and yet they do the exact opposite.
They do listen few times but most the time they got too ignorant and unwilling to meet us halfway or listen too well.
The only thing about connecting the DLC to the base game map would be that I feel like they couldn't thematically make it any different from the base map without it feeling disconnected anyway. Not that I'm saying having a similar yet also disconnected map was a good idea either...
rally could have been a chance to finally get away from mile wide roads. That would have been the ONE defining feature seeing as it obviously wasn't the rally cars themselves. At this point all I can hope for is more competition from other games
I want the ability to set transmission on a per car basis. Can we also please separate RWD and AWD from drift adventure or split leaderboards. Course vote would be nice. Reverse courses would be nice. I do 100000000% agree it would be nice if the new areas were connected having to map hop on every login is frustrating since I mostly just do online drift adventure.
This has all been needed for way too long, it’s infuriating that they add new clothes to the game when things like this are still missing.
The tyre profile thing will come to more cars, maybe in horizon 6 though.
man reverse courses would be so easy to implement but PGG is just laaaazy
@@elbastron IKR seems incredibly simple to double the track options and give some variety.
its missing the danger of driving fast knowing one wrong move would end the race
To be fair it is a Forza game, they’re not going to change the car physics for a dlc. Dirt Rally 2.0 does that well though, but it’s not easy that’s for sure.(I know I’m a year late and you probably won’t see this)
@@ElectricianAl I was thinking more about vechicle damage and things such as trees being an actual obstacle instead of slowing you down a little bit, but of course that could make the open world experience worse but they could have at least made the campaign mode based around championships and add some vechicle damage.
I really like it! It is totally different from the stale roads on the basemap. The roads here feels like the roads here in Norway, and it also took me back to arcade,racers in the late 90s. The small jumps, tight corners and elevation, it was like Porsche unleashed, Moto racer and Colin McRae rally. And everything faster than S1 is tricky as hell 😍
roads in the dlc felt way more bumpier too
The best i think we can describe the dlc is “More….of the same”
The offroad BAJA focused vehicle additions in this update really confused me. I figured it was because there was going to be heavy focus on BAJA type driving. long technical offroad endurance. Which, theres literally none of. You COULD use the Baja vehicles to do the rally/race events, Their not completely ill suited, But it is a very bizarre focus for something that is explicitly meant for another class of car. You would think of this being the return of Lancia and Alfa. And maybe that was their original plan, but still couldnt make it work with stelantas. So they settled for this. But its still very odd to fill your explicit Rally expansion with BAJA vehicles. As if an Indy car expansion were to be filled with Nascar and stock car rosters.
The paved roads seem perfect for drifters with how it bends and changes height
You can turn off racing line just for the rally events? That's so cool!
I haven't played FH5 for months and this does nothing to make me want to.
I was a bit worried going into this expansion, but I've largely been enjoying it. I think the rally experience is pretty weak in the base game, but I've been really impressed with the routes I've driven in this expansion thus far. I, too, wish the expansion map was accessible by driving from somewhere on the base map, and I'm hopeful that's something Playground Games can manage once support for native Xbox One releases ends for the series.
One thing I want to praise is that we finally have some competition in the game the characters have taken a big step toward being interesting in this expansion. The friendly banter is something I've been missing for a long time in Horizon.
They really missed the opportunity to introduce rally cars more people would have cared about like the GR cars or N cars as a base platform that could be modified into a rally spec car. I think you are definitely not alone when saying trucks and buggies are not your favourite cars to drive in horizon
I whole heartedly agree about them combining the maps to the base game world. Ive been saying this for years and when I heard this was in mexico and not apart of it. Now seeing how small it is is honestly pretty garbage that it's not apart of the regular map. L there
Same with the cars I don't use buggy's, I'd rather make my regular vehicles in to off-roaders. I do use trucks but more regular road vehicles would have been better. This was a prime chance to get the TRX, Raptor R, Rivians, SRT Wrangler, new Ranger Raptor, Bronco Raptor (i want a 4dr bronco). Plenty cool offroaders they could have mixed with rally cars for this list. Missed opportunity again
The tire size change is great but it's limited and not all suvs and trucks got the same options. Some only got one slightly bigger options that are barely noticeable. This is also why ALL vehicles need the track width upgrades because having the tires constantly tucked super far under the vehicles, especially on lifted trucks/suvs with big tires, makes it look dumb. TRACK WIDTH FOR ALL CARS.
I think Rally Adventure was a home run. Such a different gameplay experience, making every drive and race exciting. Feels different from Mexico but still part of the series. They nailed it here.
PGG first should know the difference between Rally & Baja, it’s insulting
And to answer your question, no
FH5 don’t need more of the same, FH5 needs fixing, desperately needs bug fixing.
I think he agree with you. They need to do more then bare minimum
I think some of the trophy trucks are sick and the focus is too, but I do think it’s criminal that they didn’t add a wrc sti or evo
I'm a drifter and although the expansion is aimed towards rallying, I see the map being made for drifting, it's full of great twisty asphalt roads with some of them being kinda like mountain roads with pretty dangerous drop-offs and the roads are not too flat either
As I just moved to Forza due to getting a PC about a year ago, I was so hyped for the DLC's, and even though I wasnt super excited about the Hotwheels DLC I was hyped for it due to never playing the old one on the previous game. However I feel like Ive been let down from both DLC's due to map size and the same feeling you mentioned about not returning after completing the DLC. Heck I STILL havent completed the Hotwheels DLC, I just got tired or spawning there and switched my spawn halfway through and completely stopped playing it.
exact same thing happened to me with the hotwheels dlc. didn't even do the X class races. just unlocked the fucking x wing or whatever it's called and called it a day.
I will tell you this, FH3 did the Hot Wheels expansion way better than FH5. That or the fact that we already Hot Wheels in FH5, that it totally underwhelmed in FH5. Rally Adventure continues my disappointment with FH5's dlc. Last time I buy the premium pass without knowing what's releasing lol
Nice, well worded review. Downloading the expansion now and watching other's reviews too and feel yours seems to be the most accurate and honest. Looking forward to the new content once it downloads. Thanks for your time and video!
I'm a big fan of rallying so even though the DLC has some low points, it seems like the high points in driving experience are going to be worth it for me. Just in it for good fun.
I'd just like to point out the online limitations with the DLC map being connected to the base map. With open lobbies, it'd be tricky to limit players who don't have the DLC from entering that area. This must be a dominant reason for the separation.
We need a stand-alone forza game built solely for rally.
It's TOTALLY what we needed!!!!! 😉
Conner's rally appetite can never be satisfied!!
@@HokiHoshi NEVERRRRR!!!
14:53 Let's press F in the memory of chicken.
To be quite honest, even though i’m a massive rally fan, this DLC is absolutely terrible. I think i played for about 40 minutes before just watching UA-cam because it was so boring and that says a lot because usually when a DLC comes out i play for 3-7 hours to complete it. I mean the fastest cars you can really drive without crashing are in B class. Like what!??!?
A lot of my friends and people I know play horizon, and every time I ask them what they think of the new DLC they all say "eh, looks okay"
Most people seem to be most excited about the anti lag more than any part of this expansion, and that's kind of sad if you think about it.
I think the problem is playground games does whatever they think is cool or shows off technical aspects of the game while neglecting what the majority of the player base actually WANTS.
And it feels like its been this way for a decade.
I think the majority of people want a big city to progress your way through an underground racing scene or something. Or some kind of drift career where you start form grass roots and work your way up to a pro. More features like anti lag and 2 step, better customization like placing decals on windows and changing tire profiles for ALL vehicles (and updating the god awful forza aero)
They added a radio station with actual good music? what's happening? now if only they perhaps replaced the shitty hospital records with some good old trance music station it'd be golden
FH Devs are too stupid to incorporate the expansions into the Base Game, just like after a Year, you still can't see other players on the Map... they have some horrible Devs....
I always felt a cityscape is what we really need. The expansive open road is nice and all, but I want something memorable...
Good review. Also the Jimco Fastball truck is my fav. :3
Honestly, I see myself playing on the rally map quite a bit. the main map is 80% powerbuild focused, where this map is really technical and like you said, benefits lower class cars and more handling/balanced build focused. In a way, this *is* what FH5 needed, but not with the theme, but the roads and races alone. The PI system is busted and unbalanced as heck but this map is the ultimate equalizer. I think that alone is what made this map so enjoyable and refreshing.
This is the best review Hoki-Hoshi. Your professionalism, thorough breakdown, and coverage of all new features is unmatched. Absolutely fantastic man.
This is where I reflect and regret having bought the FH 5 premium edition
I totally agree with the maps being connected especially with them being so similar in looks, I mean il let pg off with the hotwheels maps as it's literally in the air. A cool way the could have done it imo is by having us drive through a tunnel and as we blast out the other side where seamlesly driving into the rally map. An added bonus is the epitaph radio station tuning into our cars radio as we do.
This is a very valuable review video. I like how you start off with the critiques. In my mind, I'm always hoping that the devs see these videos and you do a good job of summarizing how we as a community feel toward these updates. I do like the road layouts as well but like you said it'd be nice if it were more unique environments. Thank you for making these reviews!
I agree with basically everything you have said here, although from my relatively minimal playthrough of the DLC, I have really enjoyed it a lot, which was surprising as I was very skeptical going in.
First of all, I fully agree about the map extension thing. I literally only go to the Hot Wheels park to get my weekly super wheelspin, and then immediately go back to the base map once I have that done. Quite frankly, I barely even enjoyed the map when I was playing through it.
In terms of play time, I have not played that much so far, but I do remember the hot wheels feeling far too short to be enjoyable, so we will see how this one goes.
I am not exactly a rally fan, and I wasn't really excited for more of the base game's map style in the DLC, but after driving around the map, and playing a few of the races, I was pleasantly surprised. I think the Grit Reapers section, with minimap and drive line turned off, using the new rally race type on unbeatable difficulty has been the most enjoyable racing experience I have had with horizon in a while. I feel that doing each race once with the rally cards and then again with the traditional racing style will extend the playability of the DLC, we will see when I get to that stage.
I love the canyon carving section of the map, and the whole place is just gorgeous (albeit a few of the buildings I did recognise from the base map, but I can forgive that). Like you said, the roads are far more complex to navigate, which I have been enjoying so much.
In terms of the cars, I am also more of a sports car fan, so I don't particularly care for the buggies and trucks they have added. One of my favourite cars maybe of all time is the Marc Philip Gemballa Marsien (yes yes its a porsche with a body kit whatever) and I was hoping we would get some more rally-ified sports cars, I guess like the 911 GT3 FE, but the lack of that was a bit disappointing. The F150 lightning is unbearably boring to drive, and I am not saying that because I am an electric hater, one of my favourite cars in the game is the Rimac concept 2 and it is nice to see we are getting the Nevera, although I was under the impression they are the same car so I am curious to see what the differences will be.
Overall, I went in thinking this would be a complete utter flop and so far it definitely hasn't been. We will see how I feel once I finish it, but so far, the DLC definitely hasn't been bad, and this coming alongside one of the best playlist updates we have gotten in months (maybe ever for FH5), I have fallen back in love with the game.
Some of the really tight roads within the expansion are amazing for drift cars, it was honestly probably a better update for drifters than it was for offroad or rally enthusiasts
I really like the idea of a rally expantion, but having only a single new classic rally car and not a single of Sebastien Loeb the GOAT of the discipline is a real let down
I can definitely say that this dlc has taught me more about throttle control than any other experience ever has, and I'm over 40, so I've played a LOT of racing games.
I love the rally adventure physics, feel like they gave it a good hard needed refresh.
How about, you know, adding RALLY CARS in a RALLY ADVENTURE?? There are so many rally cars that they could have added! Tbh the antilag is what carries the whole update... Overall, it's a decent update.
i think that the rally dlc sort of completes the spectrum of road types in the game, i mainly drive on asphalt, but i saw the hotwheels dlc as being the supercar, long straightaway, high speed dlc, and the rally dlc being the low power, tight corner, technical driving dlc
I don’t understand it. Burnout Paradise did this over a decade ago and The Crew 2 did it with the Motorflix arena for free. Is a seamless map update that hard?
Am I the only one that everytime Forza gets a new big update, the game just uninstalls itself on PC and I have to download it and install it again?
I didnt play it yet. But i have a big problem with Expensions in Horizon since FH2. I dont finish them because for my casual Play-Sessions i always land in the Normal-Game Cycle. And its sad. i loved FH3-Hotwheels but i did around 4 hours in it. Now in FH5 i sink in some more hours but in the end, i tune and design cars and test them in PVP. And now without competitive-PVP iam getting fatigue even faster. :( i hope i have some time to test the update. but in the end i wish competitive comes back with a big PI-Update...
The entire biome of this map feels more like I’m adventuring in a desert around the southwestern region of the United States.
Totally agree with the cars added, I've also felt the lack of true rally CARS. And considering the good technical new roads, it would be fun with more classic rally racers of the 70s (eg. Alfa Romeo Alfetta GT Gr. 4, Alpine Renault A310 V6, Ferrari 308 GTb Gr. 4, Lancia Stratos, Peugeot 504 Coupe, Simca 1000 Rallye, Skoda 180 RS, Triumph TR7 V8)
Is there any snow? Maybe in seasons?
I am trying really hard to reserve judgement until I’ve played it but it just seems lazy to me, they basically just cut, copy, pasted the map together out of the base game. Also, they call it rally, and we get only 1 rally car. It should have been something that added to the game rather than just the same old same old.
Personally they should just call it baja rally because that’s theme they went with since mexico loves baja rally then wrc.
But could easily call it different if they aren’t giving more rally cars for something called rally adventure
My only gripe? Needs more races.
But overall, this DLC somewhat takes me back to the old rally games I used to play... Colin McRae Rally 2.0. Ahhh, the memories. 🥲
Super excited to play the rally adventure expansion
it would be so great if the hotwheels map was literally above the main map and there was a windy mountain pass connecting sierra nueva to the north of it
Seems Neat, but im not going to reinstall the game for it. Just going to wait patiently for motorsport.
i would have been more excited with simple QoL changes like, better multiplayer, more multiplayer stuff to do, incentives for competition online, finally ditching the outdated save file limits and so on. Any expansion theme does not matter, because the core game is struggling.
lol..I knew you would like meridian. I did it four times today so far. Going to take it slow though..and easy. Enjoy it a bit.
I honestly believe the issues he pointed out is because we're still in the last gen console era - once we truly get PS5/Series X only it'll be so much better
Totally agree that DLC maps expanding the base map would be a much better experience. Especially DLCs like Rally where the landscape could seamlessly fit into the map already.
As for dealing with segmenting the playerbase between owners of the DLC and not, I don't see why they can't just give everyone the map. Lock the cars, races, events and rewards behind the purchase of the DLC, but include the map into an update to keep everyone in the same lobbies.
Of course, it could potentially limit the types of DLC we get in the future, but I think it's a worthwhile tradeoff. It's not impossible to adapt DLC like Hot Wheels into the existing environment via an expanded map, it would just take more effort.
With how the games seem to push for more online interaction, I think something like expanding the map via DLC would be in their best interest. They'd have to put in more work and more value into the actual price of the dlc, but if they did it'd lead to a much more exciting and healthier game
Having the large, brightly colored plumes of smoke seems to make the rally callouts completely pointless. Just aim towards the smoke for the most part.
I think what this expansion needs is the ability to shoot that helicopter down. It is a hazard. It blocks visibility with the dust it kicks up, and sometimes blinds you with that searchlight.
A Phonk radio station and more Street/ Road Racing Tours. Absolutely love driving from race to race with a load of talented Randos 🤣
wouldn't doubt that the map is just cut content that they just threw a story onto and called it a day
My favorite part about the new expansions is how it gives me drift zones to do again. I'm still annoyed that they messed up the drift zones on the main map. I loved trying to beat my personal best scores in drift zones in FH4. That and ranked drift adventure were my favorite things to do in FH4.
Expanding the map and adding the experience is exactly what FH5 needs. Now we are playing three different games not connecting to other players expanding the community.
i always wanted a drift & drag map add on. add wheelie bars, bigger engine swaps and around all that there will be a big drift course.
Literally a large majority of Forza players want to drive fast in a straight line, or slide corners.
A Mix of the 2 is optimal for Professional Drivers as well.
I think that it being the best roads and most fun driving in any recent game makes it worthwhile
A thing I don't like about FH5, is that you could have the most gracious landing, yet it will still feel like you fell from 200 meters up in the air
I feel like their way of handling map expansions is the way it is because it's a remnant of the previous console generation. Either that or they really do think having it separate is better. Either way, it's dumb as hell.
I did almost all of the Rivals races in the CountrymanALL4 in B class. And Meridian was amazing, I was in awe at that one. Could've used more rally hatchbacks and sedans for sure. Would've loved Lancia and Alfa Romeo for this DLC.
I just want a cross country mountain trail that you HAVE TO to strategically maneuver. Rocks and mud and stuff like that
Yeah that would be very cool. The average age of players must be too young for them to make it that difficult.
PI rating between around 650 and 750 are my favourites to play on this map. I just got a wheel and I am really enjoying it driving like you said, in first person, and radio off and focussing purely on the different surfaces in front of you.
I agree to what you say about the campaign itself.
I liked that they showed three aspects of rallying in the three different teams. and I liked the character interactions between Ale, Alex and Rame.
But I hoped for a little more of a WRC9 style campaign. and this was over very quickly. I did only went on to the next tier when I had the current tier 100% done. but nonetheless the campaign was over very quickly.
Also, I am sad the pace notes don't really give you enough information about speed, length and quickness of the corners and the entire stage actually.
I feel like what Forza is missing the most is an improved and more in-depth upgrade system with integrated brands that reflect their real-world counterparts a bit more. It adds something extra for car enthusiasts. I also want to see better audio, as some of the car audio is so inaccurate. Also, we just need better/function interiors. Its so weird seeing things look so lifeless and dead in the interiors.
Other than touring the map occasionally and enjoying the luscious scenery, I'm really only interested in two things: preparing a car (mechanically and visually) and driving it in multiplayer races (B Class rally or road), so the progression and all that means little to me--although I like the idea of joining a long-term faction.
The problem I was having with the mainland racing was I'm not into power-centered Trails and Sprints. I'm a technical driver. I love the Guanajuato circuits and some of the tighter scrambles, such as Mangrove and River, that require driving skill rather than power builds.
This expansion does that perfectly. Although I was still enjoying mainland Open multiplayer B-level racing, this has given me greater passion for it. So far, I love all the maps, and I think they will more often reward good drivers. I've already seen examples of players that use meta-tuned cars and throw their cars all over the courses, using their extremely high power, walls, and perhaps cheats to compensate for their lack of driving talent and desire for competitive challenge.
Additionally, the racing seems to be much closer and less predictable, an area where Wreckfest has excelled over FH5.
"It feels like a different spinoff game"
Thats because functionally, physically, it is. I have my Rally adventure DLC on a different drive letter than my base game. Entirely different install folder.
Remember the FatF DLC for Horizon 2? That was basically just like all the other DLC, except it had its own boot file and main menu.
I really love rally, its my fav racing category even above drifting, that said, this expansion is not fkin rally, its a baja inspired expansion, I really got my expectations down when I saw the cars list, the rest speaks for itself.
one thing I will say: baja likes big fking jumps and a wide open field to go trough, wich the expansion presents, rally is about tight corners and sketchy roads wich little to no room, doesnt need to be so simulation-like, but its just dumb to say its rally when its almos clearly a baja inspired expansion
I would argue the rally expansion isn't what the series needed as a whole but instead exactly what Horizon 5 is all about. They always intented it to be more offroad/rally focused. Just because the community is crying for a city map doesn't mean they can just deliver one when they probably had this DLC planned for at least a year