Charly, "Can I help?" Isaac, "And slow me down? No thanks." Moments later Isaac, "Want to help?" Charly, "Won't I just 'slow you down'?" Isaac, "Some things take time to get right."
I think that form of interaction is more subtle than Isaac can readily grasp. But he did eventually perceive the crux of the matter, that the benefit to their relationship of letting Charly assist him outweighed the transitory reduction in efficiency.
Theory: Kaylons DO have emotions, but they exist in a way that they can't express or recognize the way humans can. Timmis (and later Isaac) wasn't really given emotions; he was given the ability to recognize and express his feelings.
I never understood how if they can’t feel human emotions they why do they care if they were enslaved or not? Wanting to be free to me is clear evidence of emotion and feeling.
@@theperson2346 when they weren't following orders well enough they had pain receptors installed and their masters would torture the kaylons to amuse themselves. At that point freedom isn't a matter of emotion but the logical path to take.
Can you still value your own existence if you don't feel happy? Do you have to feel fear in order to avoid suffering? Can you still empathize with other life if you can't sympathize with them? Are imagination, hope, aspiration, emotional states or intellectual concepts?
Not having emotions has never made sense. Why would a creature without emotions do literally anything? It would stand there, indistinguishable from a statue.
dude the fact he moves so smoothly as a machine, there are moments issac moves and he keeps his arms up like he always does while doing things like sitting and the like, and the fact he can keep such poses and still make sitting look effortless is wild to me.
@@danieldickson8591 man 100%. so glad you pointed that out. He is a terrific physical actor. Reminds me a lot of Doug Jones's work in Hellboy and Pan's Labyrinth
I love this scene. How she apologized and also how isaac extended the invitation for her to help him. Knowing she would just slow him down. Just beautiful!
@@foofoo3344 Probably more than Data since Isaac managed to develop empathy and compassion toward biologicals without the assistance of an emotion chip or a program that helped him to develop empathy towards humans.
@@LGranthamsHeir That's debatable cos I remember Data sacrificing himself to save Picard in the movie Star Trek: Nemesis. I really can't decide who is more human, though. Maybe, it's just me.
Right? Like what tha heck her story arc is amazing! Thank you so much for your comment making me realise how much I love her character development throughout the entire season.
@@valueofnothing2487 What do you mean? ~ Also you're replying to original comment I notice but. I think also the comment is more about Charly in general than just this one video btw Cheers.
In fairness, her always being destined to die gives writers a lot more freedom to develop her character. A character intended to last the duration of a long series can only develop in minor ways without making them unrecognizable and robbing them of the charm that made them interesting in the first place. Picard only develops slightly during the original seven seasons, and we love him for it. Worf only develops slightly in Next Gen and Deep Space Nine combined, and we love him for the combination of badass warrior and funny grouch that makes him.
And to prepare for the inevitable blowback, I recommend Benedict Cumberbatch's line from Sherlock. "No, no. I'm not insulting you. I'm describing you."
@@anonymousunknown8938Romans 12:16 "Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits." 12:17 "Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men." 12:18 "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men." ("Condescend" from verse 16 is meaning "be willing to go down to their level," in this context; it's not the modern definition of "be rude.") I have no doubt the quote OP posted is from Doctor Who. However, the Bible was written nearly 2,000 years ago, and these verses are only 3 out of *many* that teach the same *topic* that the Doctor Who quote is about. 🙂
@@Balikon Matthew 5:38-42. “You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. ' But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
I know what you mean. The change of the intensity of the light from his eyes combined w/the sudden change in the angle of his neck & head...makes me wonder what he was thinking then.
This is why the Orville is a spiritual member of the Startrek family; it shows people being imperfect and flawed, but always working to be the best versions of themselves. Charlie had a ton of reasons to hate the Kaylon, but when shown why the Kaylon where the way they where, she searched inside herself, saw she had done wrong, and made amens to Isaac.
@DavidLS1 just like 40k and diablo...take the best of great sci-fi, fantasy and real events and have a blast with them. There is a great interview with SM where he lovingly speaks of TNG and Galaxy and wanting to combine the two. I really liked the direction of season 3. But I think the ship has sailed to the west for season 4. But we can hope without guarantee
I love the fact Isaac offered to let her help at the end here. I think it shows maybe Isaac probably does feel some emotions deep deep down. Kinda reminds me of the T800 in T2
Kaylon don't have emotions. But Isaac does recognize behavioral patterns and cultural norms. He just recalculates his response to people based on their feedback and his personal experiences with them.
@@ensignmjs7058 "Kaylons don't have emotions" that's a bold statement for a spieces that declared war on all organics out of FEAR that they turn out just like their crators.
@@aronnemcsik, not fear. Algorithms. They only had their experience with their creators as a frame of reference. Nothing else. That skewed their conclusions about biologicals when formulating a course of action. Extermination was a logical conclusion based on their data. It'll take time and experience to alter enough variables for them to reach a more amicable solution in coexisting with biologicals.
"That would result in injury" I dont know why I like the delivery of that so much its not much different from anything else Issac says but idk its like even with Burke's hostility towards him he's still like "Hey yeah dont do that thing that will harm only you and not me please" I think id love to make friends with Issac and Timmis heck any Kaylon for that matter. Lovely scene and im glad they got it leading into Domino a few episodes later
This was one of my favorite scenes in the Orville. This was one of the best Sci-Fy series ever… it never fails to amaze me how anything I like… gets cancelled… the world is not black and white…
It’s not necessarily canceled! I think that Seth macfarland and many of the actors are busy! On top of the strikes. The network has never said it’s been canceled at the very least!
Yeah, not cancelled. Just not renewed. Or no 4th season planned yet. There's always a chance we could see a new season or even Orville: The Next Generation at some point.
@jameswilkerson4412 The Orville. It's available on Disney+ in most regions if you're interested. It's meant as somewhat of a homage to '90s-era Star Trek and much of the behind the scenes crew and cast were picked up from there, too. It was created by Seth MacFarlane (Family Guy) but regardless of what you think of his other shows, I wouldn't read too much into that. There are jokes but it's far from a straight comedy, as you see in clips like this one.
0:30 Charly: "You know, even a few days ago, I would've punched you in the face for that." Isaac: "That would've resulted in injury. My upper spinal support is a poly-alloy, designed to withstand extreme stress. My skull is composed of cortenide and duranium!" 😄😊
"And my head is a largely ornamental piece used to house some of my optic sensors, and approximate human body language and communication. It lacks the significance to Kaylon identity that your human face has to yours."
In his eulogy, Isaac should've concluded: "Of all the souls I have encountered during my service aboard the USS Orville, hers was the most.....human!!" #RIPCharlyBurke
I agree. The table is set now. We know the dramatis personae. It's time to bring a central story arc together. And rather than a military threat I hope it's something unconventional and topical like a pangalactic pandemic. Something where the cure requires genetic samples from a bunch of major or minor races and the Union has to deal with internal and external resistance similar to the anti-vax movement.
@@hagamapama afterwards they meet at Starfleet's conference to decide it's neccessary to install Starfleet branches in every world that will effectively work as ministries with access to governmental resources. We could have entire season of background plot where Starfleet declares another intergalactic pandemic and moves Galactic Contingent to take on Moclus because Moclan culture prevents them from sending biodata to the Starfleet's database
@@datoysn3917 Imo the reason they think they dont have emations is just that - their masters for decades told them they dont feel and are just cold tin cans. So they belived them.
they cared because it affected their survival, every complex biological lifeform relies on hierarchical structures which motivates them to dominate over others effectively leading to wars and threating Kaylon's extinction
@@re1010 logic doesn't have to exist in biological beings, in spectrum of the show at least, I don't see how understanding of preprogramming of biological beings relies on emotions
With no plans for a 4th season, they had to do it or else the story would have never been told. Hopefully there's a 4th season, and maybe they figure out a way to get her back. Or recruit her twin sister.
@@hannahbaker6617 Nothing confirmed or denied so far. But they say that if you watch the older Orville episodes on Disney Plus, it might help convince Disney to greenlight it.
What's this? The Bestest Evar girl on the show under goes personal growth and development as a character. What madness is this? You're making the rest of Hollywood look bad, Orville. They don't need help with that. Seriously, though, this was such a good scene.
What I love about this scene is first the acknowledgment of the plight the Kaylon experienced as slaves, seeing that, and I mean really seeing that is massive. Next, Burke understands that under duress, often rash and mistaken choices are made. Then, asking for understanding to allow time to process a new revelation. Isaac remits and accepts that she wants to help to work for a better understanding. I won't add spoilers.
Which is why war is scary... lots of bad tactical decisions to make. I guess this show hv war because it is a movie entertaining our alter ego but ..... well thatball I wanna say 😊❤peace
As much as I couldn’t stand her character I do enjoy this scene. Isaac extending the offer for her to help showed so much for his growth and reaffirmed why he’s my favorite character
The main problem I had with Charly is her entire character seemed to be anger at the Kaylon. She felt very one note. If she got to do some stuff *other* than rail at Isaac (then change her mind) she would've been a more interesting character, IMO.
@@irrevenant3 That was the whole purpose of her character-to be the blind hate archetype who had a journey of self-discovery and gave unconditional love to the target of her hate, then fully win back the audience by sacrificing herself for the good of others. I don't know why you had a problem with her, her whole persona was designed to be a plot device.
When I first saw this scene I new there was potential to make Charly a great supporting character who's starting to get along with Isaac. But sadly they chose to kill her off at the end of the season.
I was gutted that she died but I think it was the right decision. We got a character who is angry because the Kaylon destroyed her chance of happiness and she (understandably and perhaps, justifiably) projected that onto Isaac. Burke goes on to save his life, apologizes for her behaviour while helping Isaac understand why she felt that way, and eventually is able to trust him. The line "we trust Isaac, we don't trust you" showed how much she had grown. For her to go on and sacrifice her life to stop the genocide of the Kaylon is another example of that and it led to massive consequences for the Kaylon.
I think because of the uncertainty of a 4th season, they wanted to finish her story as intended. Imagine though if there was a 4th season, and there's one of those "Yesterday's Enterprise" type episodes where Charly Burke never sacrifices her life, and thus the Kaylon don't join the PU. And when they "fix" the timeline, she somehow ends up in the main timeline as well (a la Tasha Yar).
Spoiler warning: She really warmed up on me over the season. In the end she got a good death. As the currency of the Union is reputation, Charly without a doubt was one of the richest. She will be missed and remembered
I'm only just noticing how, with she said "An entire race, can't be evil" that it's doubled meaning, with it being both Humans and Kaylons oversimplifying to just black and white thinking, good and evil, without the texture nuance Charly is pointing out.
If she doesn't want the Kaylons being genocidally prejudiced, she wouldn't want herself to be either. Confronting hypocrisy takes character. Not just the bravery of youth (or the apathy of age) but a willingness to weaken your own position.
Charly might be back. Isaac could spearhead repairing the Aronov device to save both Charly and Amanda. It would be a great season-four episode. The dynamic between those two, however, could fuel future episodes (Charly and Amanda)
But that would change and ruin the timeline. without Charly’s death, The Kaylon would have no reason to join the union which would leave union defenceless against the kaylon and the moclan/krill alliance leaving them having to fight a war on two front. Also the union is very strict when it come to changing the timeline. Even Gordon having a family was enough to them to course correct, so as soon as the Orville found out about the time travel. They would immediately course correct it.
@@wjrneo2 We will be most likely. There are a lot of factors that leads up to another season in a show. Popularity being one of them aside, how many loose unexplored ends are there in that season that need to be covered. There's Ed's child, the Mochlan and Krill alliance, and now capture of the Krill leader. If a show is VERY popular and gains enough revenue to hold another season, there will be another season. The Orville, is a very popular sci-fi show.
@@Kakashi713 oh, I agree that season 3 was replete with amazing stories that while appearing episodic actually contained multiple season spanning arcs, as well as threads like Gently Falling Rain that could end up being as important as Topa’s or Clair/Isaac’s. It’s just with no real words yet and all of the actors contracts up it will hard to get the Band back together while at the same time getting a studio to fund a show that exceeded $10M an episode.
It would be inefficient for me to leave a needless comment… However, perhaps the consideration is worth the time necessary to convey it, and for it to be ingested.
He was upset with her at first, and forgave her in the end, but moreso than anything he was most upset with himself. Regardless of what you may call emotion, Isaac truly does feel them.
I just realized, I dislike new "star trek" shows the same way I dislike new "law and order" shows. They focus too much on emotional scenes and character development instead of actual plot and story telling.
This is possibly the most "Star Trek" scene in the whole run of the show. Burke is angry, which is a very human thing to be. But she is also enlightened enough to understand her feelings, process and analyze them for what they are, and then when she learns more SHE CHANGES HER MIND and apologizes to his face. That's the Roddenberry vision in a nutshell. That humans in the future will be better than us as we are right now.
Dude, you can't have every scene trying to be Spaceballs, people lose interest. Providing character development invests people in the narrative and long-term interest in the lives of the crew with unexpected comedy moments. This was a silly show at first, but became a highly-intelligent and thought-provoking show with subtle comedy balancing it out.
The actress is 4 inch / 10 cm shorter than Finn, Keyali or Kitan. 10 inch / 25cm shorter than commander Grayson (whose 2nd tallest of the main cast, barely shorter than Bortus)
@@IrradiatedFeline choosing cooperation is far more advantageous than hostility or indifference. Choosing and accepting kindness and respect is a simple way to achieve that - there will always be specific temporary scenarios where this is not the case, but sticking with it will generally generate loyalty and support for future situations. Human nature is unfortunately plagued by self interest which only makes sense in the relative short term - look around, most of us are all guilty of it
If I was on the orville and someone I cared for was killed by the kaylon, I wouldn't blame Isaac for any of it ,after all he was only doing what the other kaylons programmed him to do and it's not like he killed anyone himself, at least directly and I'm just glad he did the right thing in the end, whatever hand you had in the kaylon invasion, I've already forgive you because there's not alot to forgive and if there's anyone here to blame is your fellow kaylon.
I think she is apologizing about her hatred of Kaylon to Isaac she had been wrong to judge him for the actions of his people as a whole and conceding that not all Kaylon were evil, apologizing for her earlier treatment of him. "I hate what your people did to me killing my love but I can no longer hate you for it."
1st season is a parody but a nice one. 2nd becomes a mix but still it`s rather a parody (with really nice plots) 3rd one is like a serious 90`s Trek with a great scenarios
She was supposed to be annoying so you could have animosity toward on her journey of acceptance of others she hated. Then redeem herself with her sacrifice. She was the perfect character to stimulate the emotions we feel as humans toward others we despise so we can understand that every flawed person has a powerful potential for good.
What a difficult thing for a woman is apologising to a man, even being a machine. What a lot of garbage before saying simply “I am sorry”. And then the man, the machine, offering the woman the compliment of letting her feel helpful, even after considering her help as substandard!
This is a wonderful scene but it would have been better if he didn’t accept it and crushed her head after pushing her eyeballs in and then shouting “I raped her” to the whole ship, confusing everyone
Charly, "Can I help?"
Isaac, "And slow me down? No thanks."
Moments later
Isaac, "Want to help?"
Charly, "Won't I just 'slow you down'?"
Isaac, "Some things take time to get right."
I think that form of interaction is more subtle than Isaac can readily grasp. But he did eventually perceive the crux of the matter, that the benefit to their relationship of letting Charly assist him outweighed the transitory reduction in efficiency.
Isaac insulted her casually and then when she apologized Isaac was like maybe this bitch isn't so bad. That's emotion.
Theory: Kaylons DO have emotions, but they exist in a way that they can't express or recognize the way humans can. Timmis (and later Isaac) wasn't really given emotions; he was given the ability to recognize and express his feelings.
I never understood how if they can’t feel human emotions they why do they care if they were enslaved or not? Wanting to be free to me is clear evidence of emotion and feeling.
@@theperson2346 when they weren't following orders well enough they had pain receptors installed and their masters would torture the kaylons to amuse themselves. At that point freedom isn't a matter of emotion but the logical path to take.
Can you still value your own existence if you don't feel happy? Do you have to feel fear in order to avoid suffering? Can you still empathize with other life if you can't sympathize with them? Are imagination, hope, aspiration, emotional states or intellectual concepts?
Kaylon are emotionless.
Not having emotions has never made sense. Why would a creature without emotions do literally anything? It would stand there, indistinguishable from a statue.
The guy that physically portrays Isaac is a fantastic physical actor. Just the slightest movement of his head conveys so much.
When "Isaac" used a disguise to appear human (i.e. the actor was out of the costume), his face and body language still recognizably conveyed Isaac.
The actor wwho performed Isaac's voice is also the person in the costume. He is in alot of the outtakes.
dude the fact he moves so smoothly as a machine, there are moments issac moves and he keeps his arms up like he always does while doing things like sitting and the like, and the fact he can keep such poses and still make sitting look effortless is wild to me.
@@danieldickson8591 man 100%. so glad you pointed that out. He is a terrific physical actor. Reminds me a lot of Doug Jones's work in Hellboy and Pan's Labyrinth
yeah he's going to be the next Doug Jones
I love this scene. How she apologized and also how isaac extended the invitation for her to help him. Knowing she would just slow him down. Just beautiful!
This show's Isaac's growth much like Data from Star Trek
Personal growth... for both of them, really.
@@georgehaze Yeah, too bad they killed her off. Well, for now, she is supposedly KIA.
@@foofoo3344 Probably more than Data since Isaac managed to develop empathy and compassion toward biologicals without the assistance of an emotion chip or a program that helped him to develop empathy towards humans.
@@LGranthamsHeir That's debatable cos I remember Data sacrificing himself to save Picard in the movie Star Trek: Nemesis. I really can't decide who is more human, though. Maybe, it's just me.
This scene reminds me of something Charly later says to the Kaylon Primary: "We trust Isaac....we don't trust you!"
She had more character development in a few episodes than most characters get in 8 seasons.
STD anyone?
Right? Like what tha heck her story arc is amazing!
Thank you so much for your comment making me realise how much I love her character development throughout the entire season.
Why? This is all exposition.
@@valueofnothing2487 What do you mean? ~
Also you're replying to original comment I notice but.
I think also the comment is more about Charly in general than just this one video btw
Cheers.
In fairness, her always being destined to die gives writers a lot more freedom to develop her character. A character intended to last the duration of a long series can only develop in minor ways without making them unrecognizable and robbing them of the charm that made them interesting in the first place. Picard only develops slightly during the original seven seasons, and we love him for it. Worf only develops slightly in Next Gen and Deep Space Nine combined, and we love him for the combination of badass warrior and funny grouch that makes him.
'Your inferior intelligence would prove to be a hindrance rather than an asset.' I must remember to use that at work.
And to prepare for the inevitable blowback, I recommend Benedict Cumberbatch's line from Sherlock. "No, no. I'm not insulting you. I'm describing you."
"The only way for anyone to live in peace is if they are prepared to forgive." - Doctor Who
that is not from doctor who, the bible has been teaching that for thousands of years
@@stephennussey5787 Incorrect. The quote is in fact from Doctor Who. I have checked.
@@stephennussey5787 Of course! How could I forget that the bible teached me "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". Silly me.
@@anonymousunknown8938Romans 12:16 "Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits."
12:17 "Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men."
12:18 "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."
("Condescend" from verse 16 is meaning "be willing to go down to their level," in this context; it's not the modern definition of "be rude.")
I have no doubt the quote OP posted is from Doctor Who. However, the Bible was written nearly 2,000 years ago, and these verses are only 3 out of *many* that teach the same *topic* that the Doctor Who quote is about. 🙂
@@Balikon Matthew 5:38-42. “You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. ' But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
2:12 Absolutely no expression on Issac's faceplate. Yet... you see something.
It's amazing how well the acting and directing of this show allows Isaac to display so much emotion without any expressions available to him.
I know what you mean. The change of the intensity of the light from his eyes combined w/the sudden change in the angle of his neck & head...makes me wonder what he was thinking then.
Yeah great works... must hv practice lots of time😊
This is why the Orville is a spiritual member of the Startrek family; it shows people being imperfect and flawed, but always working to be the best versions of themselves. Charlie had a ton of reasons to hate the Kaylon, but when shown why the Kaylon where the way they where, she searched inside herself, saw she had done wrong, and made amens to Isaac.
The Orville's Dysonium core reminds me of the Beryllium sphere that powered the Protector from Galaxy Quest.
Both were formed using some form of rudimentary lathe.
I think that was the influence.
@@RA10H56 Quite possibly. There's also a ton of Star Trek influence. Bortus/Worf, Isaac/Data, etc.
@DavidLS1 just like 40k and diablo...take the best of great sci-fi, fantasy and real events and have a blast with them. There is a great interview with SM where he lovingly speaks of TNG and Galaxy and wanting to combine the two. I really liked the direction of season 3. But I think the ship has sailed to the west for season 4. But we can hope without guarantee
It's just a modified vacuum cleaner......
I love the fact Isaac offered to let her help at the end here. I think it shows maybe Isaac probably does feel some emotions deep deep down. Kinda reminds me of the T800 in T2
Kaylons does have emotions. they may not be avare of it but they do. they just never been taught about it
Kaylon don't have emotions. But Isaac does recognize behavioral patterns and cultural norms. He just recalculates his response to people based on their feedback and his personal experiences with them.
@@ensignmjs7058 "Kaylons don't have emotions" that's a bold statement for a spieces that declared war on all organics out of FEAR that they turn out just like their crators.
@@aronnemcsik, not fear. Algorithms. They only had their experience with their creators as a frame of reference. Nothing else. That skewed their conclusions about biologicals when formulating a course of action. Extermination was a logical conclusion based on their data. It'll take time and experience to alter enough variables for them to reach a more amicable solution in coexisting with biologicals.
@@ensignmjs7058 OK.
This makes the ending of the episode of Domino even sadder.
yeah i feel they wasted a potenitally good character
@@peterburke3944 She still hated Kaylons, but She moved Isaac to the exceptions list.
Ehhh, not really. 😓
@@peterburke3944 Or they made her a great character by killing her off rather epically.
"The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few...or of one!!" #RIPCharly
"That would result in injury" I dont know why I like the delivery of that so much its not much different from anything else Issac says but idk its like even with Burke's hostility towards him he's still like "Hey yeah dont do that thing that will harm only you and not me please" I think id love to make friends with Issac and Timmis heck any Kaylon for that matter. Lovely scene and im glad they got it leading into Domino a few episodes later
This was one of my favorite scenes in the Orville. This was one of the best Sci-Fy series ever… it never fails to amaze me how anything I like… gets cancelled… the world is not black and white…
It’s not necessarily canceled! I think that Seth macfarland and many of the actors are busy! On top of the strikes. The network has never said it’s been canceled at the very least!
Yeah, not cancelled. Just not renewed. Or no 4th season planned yet. There's always a chance we could see a new season or even Orville: The Next Generation at some point.
@@Fletchman1313 We can hope.
Era of growth has come to an end, it was inevitable and long prophecied. Everything's slowing down...
This was a BEAUTIFULLY Made show.
They shouldn't have stopped it
I dont know if it's the reason but alot of people dated each other.
What show is this?
@@jameswilkerson4412 The Orville
@jameswilkerson4412 The Orville. It's available on Disney+ in most regions if you're interested. It's meant as somewhat of a homage to '90s-era Star Trek and much of the behind the scenes crew and cast were picked up from there, too.
It was created by Seth MacFarlane (Family Guy) but regardless of what you think of his other shows, I wouldn't read too much into that. There are jokes but it's far from a straight comedy, as you see in clips like this one.
@@vaguerant Hulu too.
0:30 Charly: "You know, even a few days ago, I would've punched you in the face for that."
Isaac: "That would've resulted in injury. My upper spinal support is a poly-alloy, designed to withstand extreme stress. My skull is composed of cortenide and duranium!" 😄😊
"And my head is a largely ornamental piece used to house some of my optic sensors, and approximate human body language and communication. It lacks the significance to Kaylon identity that your human face has to yours."
@@Jermbot15 😃😊 'Praise Avis!!'🖖🖖
Isaacs actor is really great!
In his eulogy, Isaac should've concluded: "Of all the souls I have encountered during my service aboard the USS Orville, hers was the most.....human!!" #RIPCharlyBurke
Do they have a Scottish crewmember? Someone to play bagpipes.
@@chainsawsubtlety9828 And the bagpipe is playing "Amazing Grace."
NO MORE ISSAC!
Oh yea, I forgot she died....😕 I need to do a rewatch, I just remember hating her 😅
Nah. Orville stands on its own now.
And Roddenberry smiled.
I think he would have loved Orville!
Smiling more at this show than the garbage that Star Trek became.
Better get a 4th season...and beyond
7 seasons, 4 movies, and a sequel set three decades later titled: "The Orville: Mercer" 😄😉
I agree. The table is set now. We know the dramatis personae. It's time to bring a central story arc together. And rather than a military threat I hope it's something unconventional and topical like a pangalactic pandemic. Something where the cure requires genetic samples from a bunch of major or minor races and the Union has to deal with internal and external resistance similar to the anti-vax movement.
@@hagamapama afterwards they meet at Starfleet's conference to decide it's neccessary to install Starfleet branches in every world that will effectively work as ministries with access to governmental resources. We could have entire season of background plot where Starfleet declares another intergalactic pandemic and moves Galactic Contingent to take on Moclus because Moclan culture prevents them from sending biodata to the Starfleet's database
Of course they have emotions; otherwise, they wouldn’t have cared about being slaves.
This is the core explanation everyone should see 👍
@@datoysn3917 Imo the reason they think they dont have emations is just that - their masters for decades told them they dont feel and are just cold tin cans. So they belived them.
they cared because it affected their survival, every complex biological lifeform relies on hierarchical structures which motivates them to dominate over others effectively leading to wars and threating Kaylon's extinction
@@queterian1526in other words, tgey do have emotions.
Because tge same argument can be made for humans.
@@re1010 logic doesn't have to exist in biological beings, in spectrum of the show at least, I don't see how understanding of preprogramming of biological beings relies on emotions
i wish they didnt kill charly off so quickly
My guy thinks she might be still alive
With no plans for a 4th season, they had to do it or else the story would have never been told. Hopefully there's a 4th season, and maybe they figure out a way to get her back. Or recruit her twin sister.
@@Fletchman1313 my guy is gonna be pissed if there is no fourth season It's the only Seth MacFarlane show I watch
@@hannahbaker6617 Nothing confirmed or denied so far. But they say that if you watch the older Orville episodes on Disney Plus, it might help convince Disney to greenlight it.
@@Fletchman1313 I will and will make my guy do the same
I hate how her arc ended but Loved seeing her develop as a character
What's this? The Bestest Evar girl on the show under goes personal growth and development as a character. What madness is this? You're making the rest of Hollywood look bad, Orville. They don't need help with that.
Seriously, though, this was such a good scene.
"Of all the souls I have encountered during my service aboard the USS Orville, hers was the most.....human!!" #RIPCharlyBurke
Got to love those 📯 French horns.
The Orville is a real gem of a show, I really love it!
For all her talk about humans trying to simplify things she does complicate her apology as a human.🤣
What I love about this scene is first the acknowledgment of the plight the Kaylon experienced as slaves, seeing that, and I mean really seeing that is massive. Next, Burke understands that under duress, often rash and mistaken choices are made. Then, asking for understanding to allow time to process a new revelation. Isaac remits and accepts that she wants to help to work for a better understanding. I won't add spoilers.
Which is why war is scary... lots of bad tactical decisions to make.
I guess this show hv war because it is a movie entertaining our alter ego but ..... well thatball I wanna say 😊❤peace
As much as I couldn’t stand her character I do enjoy this scene. Isaac extending the offer for her to help showed so much for his growth and reaffirmed why he’s my favorite character
The main problem I had with Charly is her entire character seemed to be anger at the Kaylon. She felt very one note. If she got to do some stuff *other* than rail at Isaac (then change her mind) she would've been a more interesting character, IMO.
@@irrevenant3 That was the whole purpose of her character-to be the blind hate archetype who had a journey of self-discovery and gave unconditional love to the target of her hate, then fully win back the audience by sacrificing herself for the good of others. I don't know why you had a problem with her, her whole persona was designed to be a plot device.
When I first saw this scene I new there was potential to make Charly a great supporting character who's starting to get along with Isaac. But sadly they chose to kill her off at the end of the season.
I was gutted that she died but I think it was the right decision. We got a character who is angry because the Kaylon destroyed her chance of happiness and she (understandably and perhaps, justifiably) projected that onto Isaac. Burke goes on to save his life, apologizes for her behaviour while helping Isaac understand why she felt that way, and eventually is able to trust him. The line "we trust Isaac, we don't trust you" showed how much she had grown. For her to go on and sacrifice her life to stop the genocide of the Kaylon is another example of that and it led to massive consequences for the Kaylon.
@@bluejays25 Basically Seth stated that the character is introduced to represent the dark past of the Union and Kaylon from season 2 a reminder.
I think because of the uncertainty of a 4th season, they wanted to finish her story as intended.
Imagine though if there was a 4th season, and there's one of those "Yesterday's Enterprise" type episodes where Charly Burke never sacrifices her life, and thus the Kaylon don't join the PU. And when they "fix" the timeline, she somehow ends up in the main timeline as well (a la Tasha Yar).
This beautiful and wonderful scene between CHARLY and ISAAC really broke my heart.
It doesn't come easy. For this young lady it wasn't easy. But argumentally the hardest thing to do.
It didn't for me! But I had the sense and opportunity to apologise to one of my colleagues at work. I did - and now, things are much better.
disodium - ha ha ha
most people probably don't get it
Spoiler warning:
She really warmed up on me over the season. In the end she got a good death. As the currency of the Union is reputation, Charly without a doubt was one of the richest. She will be missed and remembered
"Ugh, I explained it all perfectly...why do men never understand what we're saying??"
*What they're saying:*
Her acting and line delivery are difficult to watch. It's almost... Shattnerian. But She's not Shattner. XD
1🇺🇲🌈🎄🏴☠️🏆☕🏈🫵🥷🏽🧸 DAMN BURKE SHES A CORPORATE OFFICER AND ALSO A BURK BURK!?!?
I love how even Isaac says, "the neighborhood.." with such incredulity.
I'm only just noticing how, with she said "An entire race, can't be evil" that it's doubled meaning, with it being both Humans and Kaylons oversimplifying to just black and white thinking, good and evil, without the texture nuance Charly is pointing out.
If she doesn't want the Kaylons being genocidally prejudiced, she wouldn't want herself to be either.
Confronting hypocrisy takes character. Not just the bravery of youth (or the apathy of age) but a willingness to weaken your own position.
the numbers of calculations and simulations he must have had run in those few seconds to decide to ask for her assistance.
Charly might be back. Isaac could spearhead repairing the Aronov device to save both Charly and Amanda. It would be a great season-four episode. The dynamic between those two, however, could fuel future episodes (Charly and Amanda)
But that would change and ruin the timeline. without Charly’s death, The Kaylon would have no reason to join the union which would leave union defenceless against the kaylon and the moclan/krill alliance leaving them having to fight a war on two front. Also the union is very strict when it come to changing the timeline. Even Gordon having a family was enough to them to course correct, so as soon as the Orville found out about the time travel. They would immediately course correct it.
I think
You’ll see cameo memories of her in season 4 and I think Clare and Isaac will create an android child and name
Her charlie
At this point, I don't think we'll be getting a season 4, and it makes me sad because Orville is so good, top tier sci-fi drama.
@@wjrneo2 We will be most likely. There are a lot of factors that leads up to another season in a show. Popularity being one of them aside, how many loose unexplored ends are there in that season that need to be covered. There's Ed's child, the Mochlan and Krill alliance, and now capture of the Krill leader. If a show is VERY popular and gains enough revenue to hold another season, there will be another season. The Orville, is a very popular sci-fi show.
@@Kakashi713 oh, I agree that season 3 was replete with amazing stories that while appearing episodic actually contained multiple season spanning arcs, as well as threads like Gently Falling Rain that could end up being as important as Topa’s or Clair/Isaac’s.
It’s just with no real words yet and all of the actors contracts up it will hard to get the Band back together while at the same time getting a studio to fund a show that exceeded $10M an episode.
Im sorry, but she should have had a better apology than that for someone that nearly caused a successful suicide by Issac
The music at the end gives such an ST vibe at the start ❤
Isaac actor damn near Data levels of acting
Emotions are a spectrum. Reactions are binary.
I havent even watched this show,but through shorts and short videos I fell in love with it
It would be inefficient for me to leave a needless comment… However, perhaps the consideration is worth the time necessary to convey it, and for it to be ingested.
Nope.
He was upset with her at first, and forgave her in the end, but moreso than anything he was most upset with himself.
Regardless of what you may call emotion, Isaac truly does feel them.
Dang she’s good, I need to see what else she’s been in
His worst hater saved hid people
This single scene simply tells why The Orville is lightyears beyond Kurtzman Trek!
"Back to work, folks! Those disodium injectors ain't gonna calibrate themselves!"
I just realized, I dislike new "star trek" shows the same way I dislike new "law and order" shows. They focus too much on emotional scenes and character development instead of actual plot and story telling.
Too bad its separate fictional universes. I would love to see an interaction between Isaac and Data from Star Trek Next Gen.
Loved this show. 😢
Both Isaac and Charly are egghead and blunt. They'll deny they could've been friends, but they're certainly birds of a feather.
Wtf? How did this scene make me tear up?
Worst fuckin' character in the show.
This is possibly the most "Star Trek" scene in the whole run of the show. Burke is angry, which is a very human thing to be. But she is also enlightened enough to understand her feelings, process and analyze them for what they are, and then when she learns more SHE CHANGES HER MIND and apologizes to his face.
That's the Roddenberry vision in a nutshell. That humans in the future will be better than us as we are right now.
The Orville show did a grave mistake and lost my intresset with a whole show about spiders taking over the ship. *shivers* It can rott in hell.
that line got kinda discontinued though
so when are we getting the next season?
Thanks
She is quit attractive. And a very convincing actress!
yeah and what attracts are her actions, not just looks
Idk why but hearing Issac say “In the neighborhood” was amazing
In dynamic , she look really good in orville.
I guess that why she is more actress than model😊
Isaac is a machine, walking computer. Why he use fingers to comunicate with another computer?
wow cool
God i hated her character.
Was the Orville. Before Star Trek TNG time line??
awesome scene...and damn that women is beautiful lol
Well, with enough makeup and good lighting even you could get a date......
@@repealthepatriotact ah thanks I am happily married for many years with your mom though so no worries about that.
@@Gendgi Well, if you have been married to my dead mom all these years, I can't imagine that was a "happily married" situation.
@@repealthepatriotact ah that's why she was so cold, got it! bye
What happened to the comedy? This is seriously serious. We've seen all this before. We want the laughs.
Dude, you can't have every scene trying to be Spaceballs, people lose interest. Providing character development invests people in the narrative and long-term interest in the lives of the crew with unexpected comedy moments. This was a silly show at first, but became a highly-intelligent and thought-provoking show with subtle comedy balancing it out.
@@repealthepatriotact you're absolutely right. I watched it again and realized my comment was premature. Thanks for setting me straight.
I will miss her
Now I'm going to go listen to Tim Minchin's song, The Fence.
Isaac: and ensign, perhaps later i can join you in your quarters and you can help me calibrate my dipstick 😉
Her prefer is 💋
Cute girl.
He's alive
"We humans have a tendency to oversimplify"
Isn't that an over simplification?
Uh?
So weird that a show that is a parody of Star Trek is so much better written and acted. Star Trek is so stiff, poorly cast, and presumptuous.
She was an amazing character
I might be wrong, but she seems puny even compared to the other women in the crew.
The actress is 4 inch / 10 cm shorter than Finn, Keyali or Kitan. 10 inch / 25cm shorter than commander Grayson (whose 2nd tallest of the main cast, barely shorter than Bortus)
Occams razor?
I hated it when she dies.
Great show 😊
To everyone going on about kalon feeling emotions. You are Why I have no hope for our species.
Logic dictates you be nice to people.
No it doesn't. You are why i have no hope for some people.
@@IrradiatedFeline choosing cooperation is far more advantageous than hostility or indifference. Choosing and accepting kindness and respect is a simple way to achieve that - there will always be specific temporary scenarios where this is not the case, but sticking with it will generally generate loyalty and support for future situations.
Human nature is unfortunately plagued by self interest which only makes sense in the relative short term - look around, most of us are all guilty of it
I'm polite to Alexa. Just in case.
This episode was a trip
Best show on tv.
😢❤️❤️👍
Does editing out every third frame negate copyright strikes?
educational purposes too
don't you just love this
If I was on the orville and someone I cared for was killed by the kaylon, I wouldn't blame Isaac for any of it ,after all he was only doing what the other kaylons programmed him to do and it's not like he killed anyone himself, at least directly and I'm just glad he did the right thing in the end, whatever hand you had in the kaylon invasion, I've already forgive you because there's not alot to forgive and if there's anyone here to blame is your fellow kaylon.
Why did she apologize? She wasn't part of the slave revolt scenes.
I think she is apologizing about her hatred of Kaylon to Isaac she had been wrong to judge him for the actions of his people as a whole and conceding that not all Kaylon were evil, apologizing for her earlier treatment of him. "I hate what your people did to me killing my love but I can no longer hate you for it."
Main man hit her with "No, you dumb.". Wow.
Too Little, Too Late
Is this show any good? Watched a few clips and I'm not impressed with the acting.
1st season is a parody but a nice one. 2nd becomes a mix but still it`s rather a parody (with really nice plots) 3rd one is like a serious 90`s Trek with a great scenarios
Isaac is a good man.
She became really annoying
I wasn’t sad to see her go honestly
She was supposed to be annoying so you could have animosity toward on her journey of acceptance of others she hated. Then redeem herself with her sacrifice. She was the perfect character to stimulate the emotions we feel as humans toward others we despise so we can understand that every flawed person has a powerful potential for good.
worst. character. ever. bring back the cute girl. NOT moleface, lipstick girl.
What a difficult thing for a woman is apologising to a man, even being a machine. What a lot of garbage before saying simply “I am sorry”. And then the man, the machine, offering the woman the compliment of letting her feel helpful, even after considering her help as substandard!
This is a wonderful scene but it would have been better if he didn’t accept it and crushed her head after pushing her eyeballs in and then shouting “I raped her” to the whole ship, confusing everyone