Relic Victory in AoE2 Tournament?!

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  • @zakusarecool
    @zakusarecool Рік тому +244

    As a bear, the peace treaty with the monks was signed in 1300 BCE after a monk showed up to mediate the great conflict of grawwrrr to amicable results for all bear clans involved.

    • @justamuso899
      @justamuso899 Рік тому +24

      Your English is very good for a member of your species, so I've been told!

    • @apdj94
      @apdj94 Рік тому +18

      As a bear historian, I corroborate this information

    • @todallard8791
      @todallard8791 Рік тому +7

      I heard a monk took a sliver from the paw of a bear and also healed his sick.

    • @natechristie2574
      @natechristie2574 Рік тому +6

      Very similar to the wolf treaty signed 200 years later after the great wololo woowoowoo'ing

    • @cocoflanell
      @cocoflanell Рік тому +2

      @todallard8791 yes, that is true, as a great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great child (83th generation) of Sigrid Sliverpaw, the monk who signed the peace treaty, I am still in possession of said sliver, since it was passed on generation to generation. We keep it save in a monastery near Annecy (France). Hit me up, when you're in the region (bear,human or otherwise, all species are welcome) and we'll go pay homage. 😉👍🏼

  • @faceoctopus4571
    @faceoctopus4571 Рік тому +120

    Host the standard victory tournament! Be the change you want to see in the world!

  • @TenkaEmpiresFFA
    @TenkaEmpiresFFA Рік тому +247

    Man, this had me on the edge of my seat, this was amazing!! Rooting for blue the whole way, who doesn't love a good underdog???

    • @ipconfigearth102
      @ipconfigearth102 Рік тому +11

      We all love the weaker player always. Weaker team, weaker nation, weaker person, but ironic we dont actually support one, we all prase the STARS, models, actors, etc

    • @santtu3059
      @santtu3059 Рік тому +3

      ​@@ipconfigearth102you're deppressing

    • @drakZes
      @drakZes Рік тому

      What tournament is this and where can I watch the games?

    • @piotr7805
      @piotr7805 Рік тому +2

      @@santtu3059 reality often is.

  • @SpikedKirby
    @SpikedKirby Рік тому +50

    0.2 years left, the resign was disrespectful at that point lol

  • @greenjelly01
    @greenjelly01 Рік тому +160

    Standard victory conditions should be an opt-in option on the ranked ladder, just like random civ. If a majority of the players select the option, then the game should have standard victory conditions.

    • @MasterGhostf
      @MasterGhostf Рік тому +10

      Agreed. I'm so tired of playing Arena and getting castle rushed or arabia. I'm trying to get better, but its so hard when your around 1000 and die to cheese strats. There is a serious grind to get over in that stage. These unorthodox maps are so much fun to watch and I want to play them.

    • @16vSciroccoboi
      @16vSciroccoboi Рік тому +2

      @@MasterGhostf can attest, sometimes I just quit when I get castle dropped because I'm just so bored of defending it, and lower elos don't seem to have that problem. I'm not good enough to get to an ELO where people actually try anything but whatever build order they know for FC castle drop.
      Also for a long time I used to just quit empire wars games as soon as I got scout rushed. It was boring. Lol

  • @Kat-ny9os
    @Kat-ny9os Рік тому +32

    Nili definitely had a chance but forgot to use everything he had. Idle Bombard cannons and also a lot of floating resources and idle castles which could have created an desperate flood of Petards.

    • @BruceRKF
      @BruceRKF Рік тому +12

      Indeed. Up against a highly uncommon strategy plus the nerves from the pressure probably added up to these mistakes. A great watch and it seems Nili appreciated his opponents ingenuity.

    • @cocoflanell
      @cocoflanell Рік тому

      Yes and before the end, the last wall wasn't completed, if he had sent his bbcs and rattans over in the south while the onagers were still in the north, that might have been a game changer as well..
      However, amazing game, lovely to watch and as always T90s vibes just always make my day😂

  • @Pendragoongp
    @Pendragoongp Рік тому +15

    Damn, this was one of the best games I've seen in years. Just the instant oh shit reaction then massive aggression was so fun to watch!

  • @ComfyDents
    @ComfyDents Рік тому +12

    Reminds me of one of my games on HD. Map was hide-out.
    After some failed feudal agression by me, he went up earlier to castle. I saw the only option to come back by better booming. The quietness was weird until the countdown started.
    I had the better eco as my opponent spend much micro into getting relics.
    I was able to push severely, but time ran low and hideout maps are easy to wall...
    Luckily I had Huns and researched Atheism. 11 The extra time allowed me to win.

    • @starcraft2own
      @starcraft2own Рік тому

      "Bro tried to relic victory me but i had Huns" is a sentence i never thought i'd actually hear. Atheism is such a weird ass tech and i bet he will live with that loss for quite some time. I think the people who have lost to it are a small and tight knit group.

  • @rbase96
    @rbase96 Рік тому +21

    I like how the thumbnail has 5 relics in it because that's what almost all 1v1 maps have... but ZeWall has 6 :)

  • @paradox_303
    @paradox_303 Рік тому +7

    Worth highlighting again that this was a reverse pick tourney so it's hard to really go onto the series with a solid plan of what you wanna do on the maps, great game plan and execution, gg Dan!

  • @MDavidG
    @MDavidG Рік тому +22

    Dan is a man with a plan

  • @skyvenrazgriz8226
    @skyvenrazgriz8226 Рік тому +1

    Bear here: as a matter of fact these medevil monks drink alot of beer and since most bears are under the age of drinking they are legaly not allowed to consume these monks.

  • @jandeusvult2920
    @jandeusvult2920 Рік тому +3

    The relic heist was incredible, had me laughing real good and the tension toward the end.. glorious. Mad respect to both players👌

  • @andrewtebboth2189
    @andrewtebboth2189 Рік тому +1

    RE: Monks and bears, In 2 Kings 2 (in the bible) the prophet Elisha is insulted by some youths as he walks up a mountain and in response he curses them in the name of the Lord and 2 female bears come out and maul the kids. May not explain it in game, but would be a funny ability for monks to have.

  • @pete26196
    @pete26196 Рік тому +6

    The third game was also pretty sick honestly, involving a very heavy feudal play by one player.
    Really cool game here though!

  • @Gaddsch
    @Gaddsch Рік тому +3

    How close it was also shows how well balanced the game is in each and every part. Great play

  • @Jan_Chess
    @Jan_Chess Рік тому +6

    As a bear I can confirm T90 theory, about why we don’t attack monks

  • @Evan-rj9xy
    @Evan-rj9xy Рік тому +4

    I'd love to see more high elo games with standard victory enabled. It can really help mix things up

  • @FriedMetroid
    @FriedMetroid Рік тому +3

    I didn't play AoE2 when I was young
    Only got into it ~2015 or so
    I think it's one of the best games ever
    Some things are just timeless

  • @shibashisroy3330
    @shibashisroy3330 Рік тому +1

    Standard settings in a tourney is such a refreshing change, this was a lot of fun. You could have options for players to pick the game type along with maps/bans, that will throw a few spanner in the works for some people! Honestly, someone needs to do it ASAP.

  • @marksmith-hk6xz
    @marksmith-hk6xz Рік тому +1

    there is a story in the bible about the prophet elijia or elisha in 1 or 2 Judges I think , where some boys mocked the elderly prophet and a she bear came out of the woods and killed them - maybe relevant to the monk/bear dynamic in the game?

  • @MDavidG
    @MDavidG Рік тому +3

    Bears do not attack monks and here is why: 3:40

  • @abusethesun
    @abusethesun Рік тому +2

    The real lesson here is if you got for relic victory, build the monastery at the absolute back of the base. Would have been far less close it it was against the wood line instead of in range behind the walls

    • @ideegeniali
      @ideegeniali Рік тому

      and a decoy monastery forward

    • @juhanikuronen6944
      @juhanikuronen6944 Рік тому +2

      @@ideegeniali Does not work that way since you are able to see the monastery that has the relics in it.

  • @MDavidG
    @MDavidG Рік тому +30

    Dan is the man
    The man with the plan
    Dan is angelic
    This game is epic

  • @kylethomas9130
    @kylethomas9130 Рік тому +1

    I've felt like Relics could be used in some sort of Capture The Flag type of game mode.
    Maybe need to tweak a few things, obviously decrease the time allotment for victory, and only on smaller map sizes, maybe a regular sized duel map for a 4v4.

  • @sirprize4386
    @sirprize4386 Рік тому

    Wow, this is amazing! Really awesome to see some new strategies breaking into tournament play. Very cool.

  • @Igor369
    @Igor369 Рік тому +1

    Wait relics disappear from your screen even in fog of war? That should be fixed lol.

  • @951258tike22
    @951258tike22 Рік тому

    Awesome to see the Great Onion Strategy being utilized at such high ELO, well played blue!

  • @Those_Weirdos
    @Those_Weirdos 5 місяців тому

    If red had vision in the bottom right at the end, if he knew there was a gap in the wall he could have gone around, it might have gone differently. Amazing game.

  • @deswide
    @deswide Рік тому +1

    What a game!! Incredible last few minutes

  • @myopiniondoesntmatter7068
    @myopiniondoesntmatter7068 Рік тому

    I know the being under the pump in game does not leave you a clear head to make decisions and it usually makes you think you have less time to do something than you do so you settle for a "right now solution" instead of a proper solution that will counter and likely turn the game in your favour.
    Definitely should've Onager cut though, keep a few things at the front to look like he's still there. Going through one layer of neutral walls isnt a problem compared to like 5 of fortified in the end (even at the start it was double thick).
    That's why I love non standard maps because it forces people to think and not just rely on hard coded experience - Arabia/Arena are chess matches where you pull from 1000's of previous games of experience to decide on what to do. With these lesser played settings you actually have to trailblaze a bit and come up with stuff on your own because there isn't a well established meta that you just copy and follow like a flow chart.
    Part of the reason why KOTD5 was so boring was it was completely predictable until mid castle - but most games were over by then in reality.

  • @mysteriousshadow395
    @mysteriousshadow395 Рік тому

    I feel like it's definitely doable for Nili. I still stand by the onager cut choice as that monastery is well within reach by trebs in the forest. Push through the middle so the opponent doesn't suspect. And the onagers and trebs and bbc should surprise Blue. Blue didn't even have outposts along the woodlines.

  • @olehoncho
    @olehoncho Рік тому

    Friend of mine's computer broke, so his backup laptop can only run the 2013HD edition, so we reinstalled and played a Michi match against some AI. I built the usual defensive army and castles, but my friend got swarmed and only survived by ending a villager into my base. I fought off the two a.i. while he resettled, thankfully I had some spare cows for him to start a Ranch in the back corner. Well, the A.I. players got all the relics, so I had to go in fast to destroy their monasteries before they got a relic win, thankfully the enemy was a Persian so converting his elephants was a safe way to keep my Rams safe which I sent in mass to clear out the enemy base. Eventually my buddy got his cavalry game on and we turned the tide of war in our favor because I prevented the a.i.'s relic win. Yep, you could say that our Ram Ranch won a great victory that day.

  • @lumdemokikon811
    @lumdemokikon811 Рік тому +2

    GL mates will never let Nili forget about this!

  • @prashanthkrishnanranganath7546

    Fantastic game. Always felt standard victory conditions would truly open up the game to interesting strategies.
    Sure - there's some randomness involved and it may be slightly favorable for one player, but it's impact is grossly overestimated.
    .
    And this game goes to show that pressure can make one forget many obvious facts.
    It's not always required to brute-force your way through (trebbing/ramming).
    .
    He had so many rattan archers - why didn't he create a single siege tower and hop across the walls? (Yes there were multiple layers in the center, but only single layer at certain places.)
    In fact, at 21:21 - Nili is through. He just had one layer of wall remaining. Perfect time for the siege tower (should have been created beforehand).
    .
    Also, he could have used some petards to quickly smash through some walls.
    All Nili needed was get through the walls - then his archers would decimate the villagers and it's gg.
    .
    And I don't see why he didn't try to one shot the monastery. Have 3 cannons + 3 trebs attack around the same time and even if they die immediately after that shot, that monastery is toast.
    .
    Of course, hindsight is 20:20 and we can only imagine the thought process of Nili at the time.
    .
    Great job to both players. Brilliant game!

  • @MrSiLenTb88
    @MrSiLenTb88 Рік тому +2

    Dude this was an awesome game, my heart was racing

  • @drachenmagus1604
    @drachenmagus1604 Рік тому

    I would advise more standard victories in tournaments because it changes up game play and which civilizations are played.
    I had an epic defeat trying to do a wonder victory, one my father still likes to remind me of to this day. I had a completely fortified position with several castles protecting my wonder. There was walls and towers on the outer defenses and I had trebuchet and archers in the ready to defend against a siege. And my father found the only weakness in my defense, a single section of coast line which normally no cannon galleons would be able to hit my wonder, except I had miscalculated. Because my father played Turks with their +1 range and I had not enough defense on that small corner of a coastline, lost my wonder, and he won shortly after as there was not enough time for me to destroy his wonder.

  • @calebbarneveld2130
    @calebbarneveld2130 Рік тому +1

    T90 refuels my love for age of empires time and time again

  • @Shlonzs
    @Shlonzs Рік тому

    I Love how this perfectly demonstrates why we barely see stone walls and still less fortified walls in competitive 😊

  • @grumpyjester
    @grumpyjester Рік тому

    This tournament format sounds really fun! More please!

  • @clemensschuldt6005
    @clemensschuldt6005 Рік тому

    Everyone's Gangster 'till T90 casts a GERMAN replay xD

  • @THEkingbgkng
    @THEkingbgkng Рік тому +1

    WOW so amazing that count down 30 years

  • @LeafMaltieze
    @LeafMaltieze Рік тому

    Nili needed to ram those siege workshops on the north side of the wall, but he was having all his Rattans focus them. Those Rattans should have been focusing the onagers, Trebs, and any villagers they might catch within range. The entire key to winning was those Trebs, and they were just pelted with onager shots. Those Onagers should not have lived long enough to take Nili's Trebs down.

  • @Chizypuff
    @Chizypuff Рік тому

    Wow not only the pressure on your opponent to need to push through all your walls and units, but the sheer gold income- is overwhelming

  • @ivanstrydom8417
    @ivanstrydom8417 Рік тому

    Epic battle.
    All the Celts had to do to make it a bit less close , is to spam skirms alongside the onagers.

  • @jacobbartholow
    @jacobbartholow Рік тому

    crazy game, thanks for the cast T90!

  • @BeautifulMadeline
    @BeautifulMadeline Рік тому

    Wow that was an exciting finish, what a close call

  • @karladajca3205
    @karladajca3205 Рік тому

    Crazy strategy of relic win by Dan, and he played absolutely to the T. Still this game was really close, and at one point I thought Nili would destroy the monastery. gg wp!

  • @TheCptNutter
    @TheCptNutter Рік тому

    Nice game. Not seen a relic victory before and really fun to watch.

  • @indraallian6371
    @indraallian6371 Рік тому

    GG nice strat and well thought through too. You win by playing the map! Easy as that. 😎 Great commentary T90!

  • @Jaageful
    @Jaageful Рік тому

    For varietys sake, you could have one game in tournament with standard conditions. Maybe even make it so, that it could be random map anywhere in the tournament. Spice it up a little.

  • @kindred3259
    @kindred3259 Рік тому

    wow that was stressful watching that haha. Was like Reeed, you can make light cav to kill the onagers.. at the end lol. Well done blue

  • @thestroyer17
    @thestroyer17 Рік тому

    Does anyone know what is this mapped called so i can download

  • @LeftJoystick
    @LeftJoystick Рік тому

    T90, idk about “neither of these civ UU scream aggression” - the only thing I think about when I think of the Celt Unique Unit is aggression 11. Might only be matched by the Viking Berserker and, to a slightly lesser extent, the Huskarl lol. A bunch of painted bois on methamphetamine running at you when you’re not ready is gg lol

  • @mikesully110
    @mikesully110 Рік тому +1

    Red should have used those BBC's to first get rid of the onagers instead of wasting time going for blue's vils. Then when 20 years was left he should have just pushed at the monastery with all his seige and just tried rather than farting about

  • @kadmii
    @kadmii Рік тому +1

    that was extraordinarily exciting

  • @XAdriMine
    @XAdriMine Рік тому

    Hi T90 and all
    What would you think of Age of ranked games with an option to go standard (as already proposed) but aswell with those modifications :
    Relic Victory in 150 years to make it faster
    Wonder cost drops to 500 of each instead of 1000, and victory in reached in 100 years. Faster too
    Here a last: Earning 2500 gold per player in game thanks to profit in trades, and get a commercial win

  • @BrownFoxWarrior
    @BrownFoxWarrior Рік тому

    I always assumed aggressive animals not attacking monks was a St. Francis reference or just general "oneness with nature".

  • @piotr7805
    @piotr7805 Рік тому

    "Hey hey hey! I'm a Dan with a plan! My plan to steal relics, as much as I can! Hey hey hey! I will win this game, until the end of our countdown year!"

  • @thomasbrocklebank6673
    @thomasbrocklebank6673 Рік тому

    Relics for the win!!! Great game. And great cast - as usual

  • @Drydareelin
    @Drydareelin Рік тому

    Hearing "Dan the man" just gave me repressed flashbacks

  • @EliteGoosePlusOne
    @EliteGoosePlusOne Рік тому +2

    I feel like 90% of the pro scene has forgotten petards are a thing

    • @heroepato
      @heroepato Рік тому

      The standard victory meta is too new.

  • @XyntXII
    @XyntXII Рік тому

    honestly surprised nili did not make a monastery when hitting castleage to collect the 3 relics on his side. he had the wood.. maybe my greedy thinking would have lead to too much idle time, but my arena brain says you should, when the enemy scout can't even touch your monk!

  • @creativeheadroom
    @creativeheadroom Рік тому

    GGWP, I appreciate the respect from the losing player to the winner right at the end. Both played really well. This match was a close call. Keeping the names secret so I don't spoil anything.

  • @Zelta08
    @Zelta08 Рік тому +3

    I see wonder victory being potentially boring with a wonder race every time, but I think relic victory should be given a chance

    • @GummieI
      @GummieI Рік тому +1

      I don't think you can do one without the other, that said wonders are insanely expensive even on their own, and you need to have enough army and defenses to also defend it, and the enemy knows where it is the moment you place the foundation, but the countdown only start once it is actually constructed, which takes a LONG time as well, even if you pull your entire economy to build it (which further hurts well your economy), so no I am pretty sure most games would end well before wonder victory would be feasable.

    • @matt_9112
      @matt_9112 Рік тому

      In rather regular 1v1 wonder should be fine, barely gets to Imp anyways. Team games are a different thing though.

  • @dieuetmondroithonisoitquim338

    3:58 as a bear of faith i can tell u that i won't touch monk as I am afraid of divine retribution.

  • @hampelhansenrupel2146
    @hampelhansenrupel2146 Рік тому

    4:05 min : so you know… the monks are the right hand of our Lord and savoir who created every life on earth… if we, the bears, now attack a monk … god might get angry at us 🐻

  • @Whobilly
    @Whobilly Рік тому +1

    We need more standard victory

  • @coolguygorbus6452
    @coolguygorbus6452 Рік тому +3

    T90 you seem like a good guy, I like you

  • @PatrikSound
    @PatrikSound Рік тому +1

    Damn that was intense

  • @pinkytwigosh4056
    @pinkytwigosh4056 Рік тому

    Standard victory tournaments sound awesome.

  • @thatiowan3581
    @thatiowan3581 Рік тому +1

    This game had me at the edge of my seat! 😂

  • @premiumfruits3528
    @premiumfruits3528 Рік тому +1

    Wonder victories would promote play that is boring for the players and especially boring to watch. Relic victories kind of do too, but not as bad and could be worth exploring. Ideally would be a victory condition like the monuments from AoE1. Esports live and die on their viewer numbers, if it's boring to watch, the esport dies eventually.

  • @TerraWeo
    @TerraWeo Рік тому

    Dan the man with the plan is my trigger growing up as a Dan.

  • @lukasvideosify1596
    @lukasvideosify1596 Рік тому

    One of my absolute favorites ever!

  • @COMMANDandConquer199
    @COMMANDandConquer199 Рік тому

    Man, I'd love it if this map made its way to 1v1 ranked.

  • @vutrananh2698
    @vutrananh2698 Рік тому +1

    Red has 4 wasted bombard cannon at his side doing nothing, if those are used he will got it for sure

  • @n00bnetrum
    @n00bnetrum Рік тому

    lmao look at the red and blue pop bars at the end.

  • @jbeegs27
    @jbeegs27 Рік тому

    T90, I’m jealous of all the thunderstorms you have!

  • @peterpeterson4800
    @peterpeterson4800 Рік тому

    I think if Nilli had spread out his rams more in his first push, he breaks through the walls and he would have won.

  • @ottarpl
    @ottarpl Рік тому

    Great game. Lots of excitement. You shouldn't spoil the game with the title :)

  • @johannhowitzer
    @johannhowitzer Рік тому

    Would have been maybe even harder for Red if Blue had stood at the monastery with the last relic, and went crazy with defenses a bit before dropping the last one in and alerting Red. Can't say I would have played this well myself though.

    • @PatasEmPauta
      @PatasEmPauta Рік тому

      I don't think so, remember that Nili was booming with 3 TCs. Every second means Nili has more advantage (more vills and more resources collected). So the faster you start the count down, the better.

  • @4nthr4x
    @4nthr4x Рік тому

    Great content T90!

  • @racernatorde5318
    @racernatorde5318 Рік тому

    I was wondering, has there ever been a tourney or just high level games with a higher maximum population than 200? Curious to see how late game would develop if people could get up to ~300

  • @justincronkright5025
    @justincronkright5025 Рік тому

    Do they really have such Idle T.C. Time in Dark Age at this Elo?
    I've only been doing this game for a little while & unless it's a messy messy game or off 'nomadesque' style start, I don't think I get that much going onto it.

  • @EokaBeamer69
    @EokaBeamer69 Рік тому

    I know a Celt player from Vietnam who has a very different playstyle to this. xD

  • @noxious8
    @noxious8 Рік тому

    Why no onager cut?! When T90 said that it was 150 years on the timer and Nili was through the neutral wall. He could have easily cut through the top of the map and sniped the monastery unnoticed. With shiftclick in DE it would have been almost an automatic cut. I was wondering blue had no outpost to the north of the monastery to see a cut.

  • @steveolotu52
    @steveolotu52 Рік тому

    Most stressful game I've ever watched. My heart beat still has to recover from it.

  • @spinyslasher6586
    @spinyslasher6586 Рік тому

    Yup we need more standard victory tournaments.

  • @dapperdon2240
    @dapperdon2240 Рік тому +1

    Amazing game!

  • @krispy3790
    @krispy3790 Рік тому

    "respects" his opponent lmao

  • @veronica9634
    @veronica9634 Рік тому

    absolutely incredible game!!!!!

  • @potapotapotapotapotapota
    @potapotapotapotapotapota Рік тому

    epic last moments

  • @coloneljan
    @coloneljan Рік тому

    What a thrilling game!

  • @apdj94
    @apdj94 Рік тому

    Way more exciting than KotD V grand final

  • @Finndawg
    @Finndawg Рік тому

    Is there ever diplo tourneys?

    • @rbase96
      @rbase96 Рік тому

      t90 hosted regicide rumble a year or so ago (there is a playlist somewhere), but otherwise not really

  • @musclehamstr
    @musclehamstr Рік тому +1

    I think by you stating you don’t want to “bite the bullet” to run standard tourney shows you don’t think it’s a good idea to have a tournament that has standard victory allowed.

  • @inwector
    @inwector Рік тому

    If only nili picked up chemistry right as he advanced to imp.

  • @jaldinsicon
    @jaldinsicon Рік тому

    as a certified bear i can tell you that we do not wish to anger the gods

  • @CrazyAbdul1000
    @CrazyAbdul1000 Рік тому

    T90 out there looking for Bears in his chat