Star Trek: 10 Species Who Need To Get With The Times
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- These alien societies will absolutely be on the wrong side of galactic history.
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Section 31 didn't manipulate the Romulans in joining the Federation Alliance against the Dominion, Captain Sisko did. Section 31 just maintained the Alliance.
RIGHT!!! ✌️🤠
Yeah thats what i was thinking lol.
well it was kind of hard to know who was actually manipulating who, the romulans knew that head of tal shair was in fact an double agent for section 31 but chose to allow it, section 31 more or less knew that the romulans knew that chairman koval was working for section 31 and of course koval was proabbly playing both fir his own agenda.
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Don't forget Garak
Sisko AND Garak.
Klingons definitely should be in the top 10. Killing your superior officer to advance in rank? Subjugation of other species? Yeah, they are soooooo advanced lol
You have to have sufficient reason to kill your superior officer like if he shows weakness or cowardice. They just can't kill him for no reason.
Cannot believe ya left Klingons off this list. Ezri's assessment of The Empire was completely spot on, and Worf knew it. Hopefully The One Eyed Giant Supreme Chancellor changed things for the better, but we have no idea how so at this point.
I *_HATED_* how they treated Martok in the Beta canon books, so, for _his_ sake, I was very disappointed there was no follow through on the state of the Klingon Empire in Picard or even Lower Decks & Prodigy.
I'd be happy if they at least got a mention in the post-Burn galaxy. Did they even survive as a species?
Section 31 didn't manipulate the Romulans into joining the Dominion War Sisko did with the backing of Starfleet Intelligence.
They purposely put in one or two glaring errors to generate comments which makes the algorithm catch notice.
@@Beohun I knew it!
Honestly, pretty much all Star Trek races have desperate need for growth in one way or another. But that's just it. We're being shown the journey that's needed in order to grow past these issues. It all starts with respect. A lack of respect often is what causes issues in the first place. Be it Kirk respecting the rights of the Klingons he beamed aboard the Enterprise, Riker respecting the way a Klingon ship operates, Worf respecting his Captains(even in situations where their behavior makes little sense to him), and so many more.
Barkley is an example of people causing trouble by not respecting someone. Picard having Geordi try to reach out to him proved to be what everyone needed in order to try to resolve the issues at hand.
Every character has room to grow, and that's ok. That's actually great. How boring would it be to never do anything wrong? The Q have the benefit of having seen and done everything, but they still aren't perfect.
"They would often dump it in uninhabited areas, poisoning the local population." How did they poison the local population of uninhabited areas?
You saved me typing that. Sometimes it seems like these guys don't have editors.
Wasn't one the areas inhabited by a life force that lives in the dark?
Yes, "The Void" wasn't entirely uninhabited.
I started a facebook page titled Star Trek Think Tank to have an open discussion of ideas on how to get ourselves to 24th century society now.
The Vidiians apparently have super-advanced medical technology, yet lack the ability to clone organs.
This list needs re-worked so badly. What about the Kaelon who kill their citizens once they reach age 60. The Malcorians which let their xenophobia prevent them from joining Interstellar species despite achieving the technology. The Pakleds as others have mentioned. Also, what about the planet in Voyagers "Workforce" episode that kidnaps the crews of ships and erases there memories and puts them to work.
I absolutely loved that you guys not only didn't left our very imperfect humanity out of the list, but also gave it first position. Humans were the first race that came to my mind when I first read the title.
I totally agree. And in 2024 we are still a LONG way from the enlightened humans of TNG, or even TOS.
No Pakled? Or is that low hanging fruit?
"We look for things to make us go.."
The Venn diagram between "Pakleds" and "The Times" are just two separate circles next to each other.
@@hanovergreen4091they need help to make them go lmao just ask Geordi how helpful they are lmao
VERY LOW!!!!
I do wonder if Lokai and Bele ever got with the times and stopped fighting... :\
(TOS - "Let That Be Your Last Battleground", for those who don't know)
No, they both killed each other, and they were already the last 2 left alive
The harsh cold part of me wants to see a revisit to the planet as part of a lesson plan in the future Starfleet Academy show. If only to see how well the planet is recovering after the people wiped themselves out.@@nancyomalley6286
I always found the episode of TNG where the man had the "chorus" to speak his thoughts to be somehow very aristocratic, and there were numerous alien cultures who seemed to have a very hereditary class of rulers just "born to rule". The more I think of it the more examples there are.
The Klingons a warrior race. Between Romulans & Vulcans both pointy ears.
Romulans, Vulcans, Ferengi, Humans... I notice Klingons aren't on the list.
Was always annoyed that Janeway didn't make a 2nd attempt at giving the Malon the recycling tech. Some Malon would have been more receptive to it. Or could have started a civil war.
is that not a good reason to not try again? A civil war doesnt necessarily serve her needs, etc.
@@xBINARYGODx but that possibility was never brought up. They just never tried after the 1st attempt.
Or honestly... "Here's a machine that'll clear out that waste for you. Think of the profit. You no longer have to find places to dump the stuff so you can take on more of it, get paid again and be fabulously wealthy!"
Humans definitely deserve the Number One spot!🖖🏽
Especially since they're the only one that's real.
Pre-warp, definitely.
Quite interested in "a further 10 species" vid like this, there's plenty of examples... 😅
there really is no reason that an alien planet would see its technology increase across all areas, at the same rate that Earth tech has. Also this list seems to suggest that making contact with wrap new capable races is more of a "lets see who is about to join the Neighborhood" thing and see what guidance they need to be more acceptable to the established powers.
What about the Cardasians, like Garak and Gul Ducat? Also, there are the Paklids.
Since when did Section 31 manipulate the Romulans into joining the Dominion War? That was Ben Sisko with an assist from Elim Garak.
mind you i suspect that the romulans already had plans to intervene to given how quickly they launched attacks on dominion. they just needed justification and sisko gave them a ready made excuse. i wouldn't be at all surprised if the tal shiar knew that rhe recording wad in fact a fake and they let it pass as a means to an end. section 31 proabbly had a hand in the internal romulan response to the death of venek.
I'm surprised klingons weren't mentioned.
They were in a pretty good spot at the end of DS9 when worf killed gowron and martok became emperor. Martock was just as as honor bound as worf was and was annoyed by the regressive politicking of the modern klingon empire. He even requested worf to the federation ambassador to the klingon empire. With how well known martock and worf were reforms were inevitable. on top of that kahless had a good opinion of worf as well. Between those 3 no on could stop the changes that would reshape the empire.
Martok was the chancellor of the empire Khaless is the emperor.
@@chipstercamarillo9373 ehh what ever havent watched it in awhile. point is still valid regardless.
@@Tex_actual You can fix that, on Pluto TV, for free ! 24/7, DS9, Baby ! 🤓
@@chipstercamarillo9373 For a while.
That jab at the Kazon had me in stitches.
Excellent! Thank You! Best Regards and Best Wishes!
We're number one!!!✊🤘🖖
But is that really a good thing?
@@rickjohnston2667 I'm a pessimist. I'm Just glad that there's other ppl can recognize the cold truth as I see it. Humanity is inhumane. We can't live harmoniously w nature or each other
Great video, a lot of Voyager! *
8:09 or as the Borg designate them as species 329... That'll Learn Them!
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_... and they would often dump it in unpopulated areas poisoning the local population._
In an unpopulated area there _by definition is no_ local population to poison. The only way it can be otherwise is if the Malon just _call_ places unpopulated if there live beings whom the Malon don't take seriously.
Captain Braxton: My crew is always ahead of time, and behind it. It's a matter of relativity.
1:50 Ferengi society was getting much better. "Besides, on this list we've got bigger fish to fry. Number 9. The Antedians." I see what you did there.
How did you overlook the Klingon
How about the Gorn, the Nausicans and the Vendorians?
It was made pretty clear that sisko and Garrek made sure the romulans joined the dominion war, NOT section 31. That's a BIG oversight, especially with all the praise that epsiode has gotten on this channel.
Man Hunt is the go-to episode for me when people say, "There's no racism in Star Trek". Wesley is clearly racist and gets called out by Data.
Also, the humans in Neutral Zone werent in freezers because they were traveling. They were dead and being preserved until a cure could be found.
the humans in the neutral zone wernt traveling or dead. they had incurable illnesses and were supposed to be put in stasis till a cure cud be found and all of them were cured
@@jakethornton4856Actually, they were dead. Had to die before being frozen. They were revived because the time between death and frozen was short enough to reverse. They were dead wrong about the Braves though! 😡 Frozen in a time when they were awesome.
I mean, there are clearly racist episodes, or rather, episodes about race, and that one episode of season 1 which is in fact arguably racist by accident (black African aliens who are like tribesman, and insert many black stereotypes here).
@@xBINARYGODx Ooof, the worst episode of the first season...
@@xBINARYGODxCode of Honor
All this shows is that Star Trek has far too many "Planet of Hats" species. That is, species that are defined by a single characteristic or trait. It took until DS9 to break the Klingons out of that mold and the Vulcans, Romulans, Telarites, and many more never did.
Antedeans. There is NOTHING in the episode that states that it is psychological trauma. It easily could be physically traumatic for their species.
Like a shark that gets flipped.
@@barrybend7189 Even simpler... Like Ezri getting Space Sick. Though their situation may be a constant state. Like folks who have to take sleeping pills and be unconscious during flights because their air sickness is so bad.
To be fair, the only thing to make the Hirogen excited about hunting Picard is because of his formidable story.
The Hirogen from Picard seem very similar to the Kromsapiods from Lower Decks. Cheers....
The Cardassians!
I'm surprised the Klingons are not in the list.
The Ocampa are one of the worst races in Star Trek.
species And they aren't.
WHOOPS, WRONG DEBATE ORIGINALLY. I fight young Earthers in another forum. 😂
Okay, don't care, race or species I'm good. Not that big of a nerd.
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Like so many things in Star Trek, I thought the Ocampa had a lot of potential...they were just very poorly realized.
@@daveryder9617 RIGHT 🖖👽
I'm so glad that humans were number one on this list. Let's not gloss over our shortcomings. Even Quark mentioned that we had slavery, something they never considered, despite their extreme greed and over-capitalistic mentality. He also stated that if humans are deprived of their comforts, that we can become as ruthless as the most bloodthirsty Klingon.
Given that almost every other society aside from the Federation has majorly problematic societal issues or positions, I'd say it's more fair to think of the Federation as an exception than a rule.
7:03 is there average lifespan is only 9 years!!
Yup. Kinda stupid decision if you ask me.
Yep. Kes specifically states the the oldest Ocampa only lived to be 9.
Even stupider, is that Ocampa apparently only ever have one (1) child in their lifetime.
@@antney7745 Because they only have one chance to get pregnant.
@@GabePuratekuta Exactly. Whoever wrote that episode forgot how "population growth" works. One chance to have one child. So the population halves over each generation?
I thought for sure pakleds would be on here. "We look for things"
This reminds me that Voyager featured a really great adversary (Hirogen) and one of the lamest in Star Trek history (Kazon). The first two seasons of Voyager lingered on the Kazon far too long.
The Kazon were wannabe Klingons, without their technology or sense of honor. They were modeled after "gang bangers."
This is one of those circle commentaries though... the whole "who are we to judge another culture and their beliefs" argument. It goes back to the belief that to not be infringed on, you gotta allow others to be infringed on for others to respect their beliefs... its a circle. A never ending circle. Just keep to your own kind and leave everyone alone. Problem solved. That applies to modern reality also...
The Hirogen regressed. They were once a very advanced technical civilization. They built the network of stations Voyager used to get the doctor back to the Alpha quadrant. Somewhere along the line their society shifted to being all about the hunt. (there was a DS9 episode with the Tosk that could very well be an analog.) We don't know what technologies they posses, so getting to federation space might not be much of a challenge for them. (eg. they could've used borg transwarp tech.)
Actually, no. They found it and used it, claiming it as their own.
What about the Pakleds, these creepy creature kidnaped Jordy just to make ship go
What's a Jordy?
You could have easily dropped the fish people in order to include the Cardissians.
"Family Business", the DS9 episode where Quark's mother Ishka subverted gender norms was of the best episodes of the series. Andrea Martin was perfect in that role. It was pure comedy.
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No mention of the Pakled?
Why am I not surprised that TrekCulture put humans at the top 🙄
Tricking the romolans was a nessasary evil
what about the klingons?
The Kazon sounds familiar to a real life faction. Probably they're a stand in for any group that was used in a proxy war or was oppressed by colonialism and now turned violent.
In ST they're often quite understanding of other cultures and make special concessions for them. But at other times, they're all about forcing change on others. It's odd but the ST brand of futurism would actually be considered backwards by today's standards. Those species don't need to get with the times. If it's working for them, then they should be respected. As long as it's not infringing on the rights of others.
Well, yeah.
Every single species is on that list. That's the whole point of Star Trek.
Humans really? Yeah i get it but there are so many other alien races the J'naii, the Edo, the Selay, Ligonians, Iotians, Elasians, heck the Orians, Klingons, Cardassians, the Breen! the list goes on and on. Vulcans, Humans, and Ocampans would've been the last one i would've put on this list. Maybe as honorable mentions
Pre warp or not what right does anyone have to judge
And about the Borg? *
Interrupted by a commercial! AAARGH!
The Travers and The Q.
The Malcorians. Having their culture completely paranoid over the fact that they are the pinnacle of creation at the center of the universe just doesn't work.
The Pakleds? the Talarians? the Sheliak? the Cardassians?
I think the Cardassians were originally supposed to represent a military dictatorship similar to the Spartan Empire. I mean, Romulans were obviously Roman Imperials and Klingons were Cold War era Russians. Which is to say nothing about the Ferengi/Jewish stereotype connection (though I doubt that one was entirely intentional). I guess I'm saying the species were there as allegorical plot devices for commentary, for exploration of an issue, or even as satire (some great Ferengi episodes there, but there were others notably I, Mudd in TOS).
@@visceratrocar The Romulans were also allegory for Communist China.
The Pakleds. If it were possible.
The Malon rejecting the recycling technology never made sense to me. If I had a technology nobody else had that would enable me to take the waste that other people were paying to cart away and turn it into something I could sell back, I'd be as rich as Elon Musk.
It's true humans and Ferengi have a long way to go but the possibly worst that needs to get with the program has to be the Cardassians. As a DS9 fan, we see their full range: misogynistic, overbearing, cunning wickedness, active refusal to acknowledge basically every mistake they make, arrogant to the core and more or less symbolizing Communism with the same brushstrokes given to the Romulans.
Sure the only ones who can outdo them are the Dominions and probably the Romulans, even the Borg but in terms of bad guys who were brought up to be the 24th century equivalent to pompous Nazi commanders using the locals like playthings, look no further. From our love-to-hate relationship with Dukat down to the lowliest citizen wandering the streets of Cardassia Prime, if you want to help the rest of the quadrant burn a planet down to the core, this is the destination for you.
Maybe scoop up a few kids for the bleeding hearts to care for, give those poor children something other than their kind's oppressive, backwards ideals to work with.
actly my persnal comntaery aobut number 10: but well they did eventaly for even more profit with very close ties to the fendraton of united planets but it took like a whole centery or two of it to happen.
Imagine being the only one on your whole planet that knows how to safely get rid of toxic waste. Bet he would clean up. In more ways than one.
He was an idiot. "Sure, I'll TRANSPORT all of your toxic waste away where nobody will ever find it. There. All gone. Next customer, please."
Videans ?
KLINGONS???
Klingons are fine. Yay!
The tall antedian is Mick.
humans left baseball,enuf said.
The Bajorans need to get with the times. Seriously, how do you have interstellar flight before the Cardassians and Humans, yet by the 24th century, all you have are IMPULSE SHIPS?!
I thought Remans where an off shoot of Romulans
It varies depending on the source material.
sort of they are an offshoot of the oringal vulcans who left vulcan and landed on remus instead of romulus, whereas the romulans landed on romulus.
WE'RE NUMBER 1
Can't anyone just "do" something, do they have to "go ahead" and do it?
Here's an idea: maybe your ideas are the ones that are wrong.
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The Tholians who are clearly somewhat xenophobic.
Except for Bright Eyes.
One must ask how many atrocities and mistakes have been made simply by telling the population to "get with the times."
"They would dump it in uninhibited areas poisoning the local population". Lol wut?
In the pale moonlight, The Sisko, with Elim Garak's help, got the Romulans involved with the Dominion War, NOT Section 31.
No mention of the Klingons, Cardasians, Pakled, 8472, the Orions, the Hunters (Captive Pursuit), the Cheron (let that be your last battlefield), the Breen, the Nausicaans, the Minosians (The Arsenal of Freedom) and the wisps (the crossing)
No real mention of The Borg
This list
It's a fake
Mariner: "Lookout, Fish-People!"
Antedians: "We're not People!"
In tolerance? Like like somebody literally attacking somebody else for not believing the same thing they do yeah that sounds very progressive to me.
Wow, judging an entire culture from one’s own ethnocentric views. How original of Trek Culture.
The Kazon would benefit from a decent hairdresser.
And maybe telephone sanitisers, account executives, tired TV producers also?
What species are considered “with the times” and should definitely not be on this list?
I'd say the other half of the Founding members of the Federation (Andorians & Tellarites) should be considered. Also, maybe Denobulans?
What about the genderless aliens on TNG? The ones that inceminate husks?
CHEESE!
Cardasians
The BREEN is one that need to come and start to play nice
Are burkas "getting with the times?"
Will they not be worn on Mars?
If every species was hypermodern there wouldn't be any conflict, for one. Also Star Trek would be very boring. Consider the Halkans. If not for their hesitancy to respond we would never have the Mirror Universe. It just would not be entertaining if everyone thought the same way.