10 Reasons To Greenlight Star Trek: Legacy NOW
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- The Star Trek show the fans want but the Star Trek show that hasn't been announced.
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Jeri Ryan deserves a SERIOUS award as do her writers. Seven was a beloved character on Voyager....and they KILLED it, totally changed the character in the guise of character development. Jeri played a version of Seven nobody had ever seen, and not only kept the fans from rioting over it, but made them love the character all over again. That's amazing talent.
Jeri, yes, for having to deal with the trash tier writing, the writers (not including pic season 3, no.
That was exactly my problem - it wasn't the scientist Seven that we knew - she was a complete stranger ticking a box. Not bad no, but not Seven.
@@JohnnyWednesday And yet it made PERFECT sense, on Voyager Seven was figuring out how to be Human again, not used to emotions, hanging onto pure Borg logic and coldness, and slowly integrating emotions into her life. After 20 plus years, it stands to reason she is now more Human than Borg in her emotional status. I think it was a good bit of writing logic, but Jeri pulling it off? She's a HIGHLY under rated and under used actress.
@@IMDARKFIRE007 However, TV shows are judged on entertainment value. Her old character had a quirky robotic personality, which made her appear very unique and at times very funny. With her new character, you're left with her former self. it's probably time to stop making new Star Trek. It's run its course and we should celebrate its past brilliance, rather than trying to recreate the old magic. Very similar to a midlife crisis.
They need to do Star Trek: Combs.
Every role is played by Jeffrey Combs, apart from 1 episode where everyone is played by Casey Biggs.
Come on Terry Matalas, you know I'm right. Ring me. Let's talk.
Holy sh*t, I saw that in my head. Now there's a USS Combs, with the aforementioned crew, in my head canon. Thanks!😂
This is a perfect example of what ST: Short Treks could be.
nope, i got to yeoman comb's and commander comb's romantic past and ran TF away.
@@beauwyattjohnson3004 That would be the *ultimate* Short Trek!
@@ArtistryBranson USS Combs and all the little shuttlecraft are called Combs too.
What happened to the Enterprise-E was not Worf's fault, why and how?
Seriously. We need to know!
Worf: "That was not my fault."
Fans: "What happened? Tell us. We demand to know!"
and F?
The short story "Unexpected Honor", written for issue 40 of Star Trek Magazine in May 2012, revealed that the Enterprise-E was destroyed in an ambush by the Undine at Starbase 236 (β) in 2408; among the survivors was Captain Data, who retired from Starfleet to take up teaching on Earth.
They should have had the E be getting ready for decommissioning on frontier day it has one last hurrah for the celebrations then gets destroyed or heavliy damaged then at the end of the season they should have unveiled the odyssey class enterprise f for the new flagship & kept the Titan as the Titan I hate that they blew up the E off screen and we barley get to see the F and now the G is showing up too early how are they going to stretch 2 more enterprises to get to J in 26th century
if they do Legacy, it needs to be a planet of the week, villain of the week type thing, with like 16-20 episodes instead of 8-10. Thats the number 1 thing I miss about old tv. Give me 20+ episode seasons back
I don't like your chances.
me either@@susanscott8653
I don’t think you understand the feasibility and logistics behind making 26 episode series these days…
@@rieyuki No I dont think you understand we don't need 26 episodes of Mandalorian Season 1.
Anyone that expects 26 episodes with multi-million dollar budgets is cracked out of their gourd.
Its also exhausting to try and watch an 8 hour movie that is split up into 6-8 weeks of installments.
Return of The Iconians
We've been talking about Legacy for a while now that I totally forgot where the title Legacy came from and who made the decision?
Also, Annika's Enterprise righting alongside the latest ieration of Voyager? I. AM. HERE. FOR. THAT! ! !
Technically speaking, "Legacy" was a game for PC and Xbox 360 which featured 22nd, 23rd and 24th century eras, following the storyline of how a Vulcan scientist became the borg queen (yeah, Borg, again!), but as a name for a series to carry on the Legacy of the name Enterprise seems fitting, after all, let's make sure history never forgets the name... :)
@@twocvbloke I see. I'm not much of a game guy, so I missed that. Thanks for new info. But yeah, wherever the series name comes from, or even if they decide to totally go with another one, continuing Captain Anika's story just feels... Correct 💯
(Hands Outstretched to Paramount ) "Please Sir, May I have some Legacy?"
Ha ha ha! ..."More? You want MORE?"
Good reasons, but this needs to happen regardless.
If their going to do it, they better do it soon, before corporate executives get super cheap
If they're, then I'd agree, before their costs are cut, then & there.
They are already super cheap
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For all the Terry Matalas fans, the YT channel "The Shuttlepod Show" has a really nice interview of him. He is really quite humble, especially when Dom mentions that he used to get coffee for Braga. They actually have a whole library of long interviews with big-hitters like Berman, Braga, Ira, as well as fan fav actors (e.g., Dorn, Frakes, Gates, Tim, Robinson, Combs) & major crew members (e.g., Zimmerman, Okudas, Merri D). Yet they only have 62.5K subscribers and have stopped interviewing recently. So compared to TrekCulture's 299K subscribers, I feel like a lot of Trekkies just haven't found them and suspect they might be short of subscriber-based revenue to keep going despite all their excellent work.
Don't worry TrekCulture, I have also mentioned your channel on their channel. I feel like all Trekkies should know where all the good Trek channels are. 😁😇
Bring back Liam Shaw. His speech about Wolf 359 gave me chills. Such a great character played by an awesome actor. And how is Moriarty doing in his holographic cube?
You could reuse all of the same sets and have a Liam Shaw series that starts from when he took command of the Titan-A.
Shaw was incredible, a really good character with depth. He made quite an impact despite not having much screentime.
@@Shuttlebay4 "...it was like.......like space itself was burning." 🥶
i like Liam Shaw. he was an @$$h0l3, but he was OUR @$$h0l3. 🙂
Didn't he serve onboard the Cerritos at one point?
The end of Picard season 3 (the only good season IMO) set it up so perfectly and I would love to see a series with Seven of Nine as captain. But greenlighting Legacy would actually be smart. Given this era of Trek and entertainment in general it's a coin toss, and likely 10 years away at that if it happens at all. I hope I'm wrong.
If you loved Star Trek: TNG, your opinion, is almost universally shared! 🖖🏽
@@honesto4696 I grew up on TNG. Seeing the Enterprise D made whole again was the most epic Trek moment of this century.
It was the only season at all. Started at 3. Don't know why but it did. 🤣
It's time for something new, not just new ship, new crew but an entirely new concept, some innovation.
We already got the classic *follow the ship and command crew around* show with SNW.
We need something like DS9 or Discovery where we get something different, compared to what we have now. Maybe even with the focus not being on Starfleet, there're so many stories to tell in the Star Trek universe that it would be such a big missed opportunity only doing the same concept again and again and again.
Yes, thank you. And unlike Discovery, let's not place it in an era of time where we already know what's happening and have it be connected to legacy stuff. Go for the future. Even with Discovery in the 32nd century and Picard ending at the beginning of the 25th, there's a good seven centuries worth of time to explore. Plenty of ways to do something completely new.
Hell even if we did set it in something like the Lost Era or in a previously shown era, we could still do entirely new stories so long as they're separate and have little relation to other stories happening at the same time.
Although a Legacy series seems great, I tend to agree here. It's a big universe and I'd love to see something new also.
We often don't agree on aspects of the new series but on this I am with you 100%, Sean. You make some great points, even ones I hadn't considered like the fact this series could be bootstrapped into fast production fairly easily comparatively as the sets are already built, uniforms laid out and digital models assets built and ready for rendering.
Kurtzman passing on Legacy for the sake of "Hogwarts but Star Trek" gave me a concussion from the forehead slap.
Added bonus: Worf's son, Alexander on Enterprise G as weapons officer like his father.❤ I'd watch that👍
Oh, and a visit from Seven's former Voyager crew.
Because there are only 9 people in the entire federation.
Not likely. It's been about 25 years since the Dominion War. It would be more likely that Alexander has his own command. Still doesn't stop him from getting a cameo, though.
@@MonCappyexactly. Alexander could be a asset (ie: Captain) in the Klingon navy. Perhaps a recurring character.
Harry Kim, still an Ensign after all these years.
@@sodadrinker89 What a waste of a Character, IMHO.
As a nod to the t-shirt, let me just say how great Star Trek Enterprise (or , heh, Enterprise) is, in hindsight (not that I didn't love it a couple of years after it ended, when I first watched it). It will always remain in a class of its own , no one seems to want or be able to replicate that early 2000s sci fi series feel. They were nowhere as boring ("flawed" and "complex" or too perfect) as the 2010-2020s Trek characters or as flaky as the Kelvin movie characters, but not as cosy or dependable as the 90s Trek characters.
All Tony Todd needs to do is let it slip one day, sitting quietly in his backyard and enjoying the idyllic serenity that he wouldn't mind acting in a couple more episodes of Star Trek. Writers would jump out of the woodwork to show his spec scripts they've been holding onto since they began writing professionally-all because he muttered the fleeting thought through his lips. Could you make it so, Mr. Todd?
Wow.. 2 images what ST: Short Treks could be lol
It took about a year after the DISCO S2 finale for them to officially announce SNW. It’s been a year since the Picard finale, hopefully some news soon!
They need to do something like Star Trek: Origins: Borg or Khitomer Massacre or The Tomed Incident. That would be cool!
If the new series covers both the post-Dominion era to 2409, AND the Lost Era (2296-2356), that'd be awesome, especially if at the same time.
We need Legacy! We need Terry to bring the same magic he did with Picard season 3. So I would say make him Legacy show runner and if he wants, director.
Example of an Easter egg, Admiral Crusher grants Voyagers EMH a commission of Captain as she thinks he's wasting his talents just being a standard doctor. He needs a ship to transport medical teams and supply's to a colony x medical issue on a mass scale. Seven offers the use of the Enterprise. She informs him she volunteered, if anything to see her old friend again.
Q could bring back Captain shaw and he's made Captain of Engineering, holding a title we only ever saw Scotty hold.
May be even Kate Mulgrew come back as Janeway. Perhaps Seven defers to her expiriance and transfers command to her post temp on a mission of vital importance.
maybe the first season starts off right after the shakedown cruise and we se seven inviting her old voyager crewmates on board to give them a tour and to catch up, so that we can see what happened to them after the events of voyager, and maybe we even get a flashback episode or at the very least a few flash back sequences of the voyager crew recounting their return home to the alpha quadrant which could help make up for the lackluster finale of voyagers last episode. then when janeway tells seven that she and her crew are being given an unusual assignment, that assignment being to explore the gamma quadrant since we haven't actually seen any onscreen exploration of the gamma quardrant
I think it would be nice to see a Dr. Simon Tarses as the ships CMO. Elnor would be an interesting Chief of Security for the ship. 😀
it's bad enough Jack Crusher is immediately an Ensign on the bridge, to introduce another young officer as the security chief makes no sense. Raffi herself should be head of security as well as XO.
@@SantomPh some time has passed so Elnor could have made it to a rank of Lt. by the time Enterprise G left spacedock.
No more prequel Trek. It's time to go back to what people want to see. Star Trek The Next Generation: The Next Generation.
DS9: The Next Generation.
Hopefully, they don’t ruin it.
@@KaygeeAllahbro imagine with all new cast and a LTJG Torres as a security officer (grandson to be Lana Torres) and hear me out: the Dax symbiotic as the first officer…plot is they get stuck in the mirror universe gamma quadrant after attempting to use [insert Star Trek explanation] on the new refitted and much bigger DS9 to open the now dormant wormhole. When they arrive they are visited by a cryptic captain sisko from the prophets who request they stay and help the people in this universe. Starting point can go from there. I wanted to make this into a fanfic but lost interest when I graduated high school and went to college
The New Generation
I don't mind a prequel if it's about Liam Shaw.
The danger here, is that Star Trek, may end up like Star Wars. Desperately hanging on to the past and recycling characters for fan service. Instead, they should just start a fresh, completely new thing, like The Mandalorian. I think Legacy may be a good start here.
Legacy would be exactly what would turn Star Trek into what you argue against in the start of your comment.
They dropped the ball HARD by killing off Shaw. I get what they were going for and how it fit into their story.. But it was just lazy, cliche, and ultimately akin to shooting yourself in the foot considering how much he elevated all the scenes he was in. Whatever excuse they have to 'bring him back' is... god I'm so fucking exhausted.
Choices like that in S3 (including undercutting Q's death, throwing the Titan-A and her lineage under the bus, shoehorned references purely for the sake of nostalgia, etc) are what make me feel like, for every great thing in S3, there's some irritating pebble in my shoe that makes me fine with them just moving on. As much as I enjoyed S3, chunks of it have not aged well. Not saying it CAN'T be wonderful, I'm just not sure what I want from this current stable of shows anymore.
Really, I'm just finding Lower Decks (an animated comedy) and Prodigy (with S1 being mostly Trek adjacent) to be the most overall satisfying. Which is weird considering they were the riskiest ones I was least optimistic about going in. :P
They're going through those Enterprise letters like an angry toddler at a typewriter. I was really hoping to see a series based around the Enterprise F, I personally don't like the exterior design of the Titan/G as a hero ship, but that just personal preference. The Pathfinder class is sexy as well. If they can retcon Icheb and/or Hugh back so we can try and eradicate the hideous first two seasons of Picard (which comes bottom to practically every series ranking) that would be nice too.
My biggest issue is that they rename the Titan. She should have kept her name, and another ship bar the name Enterprise.
@@gamerfan8445 Its very disrespectful in my eyes to just "rename" a ship to "Enterprise" instead of building a Ship from Scratch which classifies as the "next" Enterprise.
@@DieHardjagged exactly, also Titan is a great name for her.
@@gamerfan8445 Enterprise-A was a rename and renumber of the USS Ti-Ho
@@theblitz9 yeah a ship that we know nothing about until she was rename enterprise. Meanwhile Titan basically has a season to be in the spotlight.
Yeah. . I didn't need to know it was 15 years ago, Sean. I really really didn't.
Great reasons and I really hope it becomes a thing.
While there shouldn't be TOO much of the people from Picard (except those who are now the main characters) it would also be a nice way to tie up a few loose threads and bring back some characters that may not have gotten a fair shake in earlier Picard seasons.
It would probably make Sir Patrick happy to see Picard now peacefully in retirement in his Vinyard. He could be with someone. Laris maybe, (with Beverly being a "close-friend / family member" but not necessarily romantic partner, though they are coparenting Jack.
Data, with his newfound emotion and being as close to human as he's ever been, could be introduced to Soji by Picard, and their backstory explained. It's very much a man meeting a child he didn't know he had, but in this case, it was kind of taken from him without his permission. But they could bond and become close family members. He can also finally FEEL the grief for Lal, as he tells Soji about her long-lost sister, who lives in Data's brain. And this would reintroduce Soji, NOT as a crew member, but she is a scientist and while maybe somewhat immature, could have grown up a bit more by then, and become a regular guest of some kind.
Just sooo sad that they killed off Hugh. He could have had a great part to play. Just had to say it.
Kestra was barely mentioned in Picard Season 3. We could see what she's up to (and have Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis have a brief guest spot). Not sure if she'd be up for Starfleet Academy, or maybe be more into being a writer (as a kind of tribute to her late brother) or maybe botanist. She could even serve on the Starship as a civilian, as Keiko did in TNG, or as a guest.
And maybe some sort of redemption for the often-hated Alexander Rozhenko. Last we saw of him was in DS9, but we could see what he's become. Worf was kind of a neglectful father, but Alexander also had immensely loving grandparents in Russia. Would love to see all of that reflected in the man he became. Another guest spot.
I would hope to have Todd Stashwick as Liam Shaw return. I felt that the last time we saw him - as a hologram leaving a message for Seven - is a clue as to how they could bring the character back.
The Doctor of Voyager demonstrated how holograms can be vital in certain situations. With his background, the character of Liam Shaw as Emergency Engineering Hologram could - through various narrative circumstances - become a permanent fixture as a part of the crew of the Enterprise in Legacy.
Is it not OK to just let a character go? Jesus Christ let somebody die. The actor deserves to do other projects besides one character for the rest of his life.
@@Ash_Rein From an interview with TrekMovie a month ago, Stashwick spoke about the possibilities of bringing him back: “If they ever choose to do [Legacy] there will be very skilled writers who know how to do it.” He himself also bought it up on stage with Terry Matalas at Trek Talks. Hence the speculation.
@@Calnert it doesn’t need to be brought back. There’s no purpose. We need to grow up and move on. We had to Star Trek for a while and it was great. But things need to have an ending. Everything needs to end and we need to move on. They’re not doing it because they love it. They’re doing it because they’re trying to make money. That’s not Star Trek. It’s the opposite of Star Trek. It is really important to learn the lessons that we got and let ourselves move forward. I don’t want any more of this garbage.
Want your mind blown? Look at how old many of the TNG actors are. Love TNG, DS9 and mostly Voyager.
We only have three TOS bridge crew left, at this point. Oddly enough, the three front chairs. Huh, closer ya were to the view screen, the longer ya lived.
Less radiation I guess from that Warp Core the Ent had. @@chefdean7257
@@chefdean7257I would like to submit the helmsmen in First Contact and Nemesis as counter-arguments...
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beyond ST ENT they seem to have thrown out the writers rule book for star trek, we've passed the golden era of ST now :( discovery is awful.
Respectfully, she was not fast tracked. Had the events of frontier day not occurred, she was being promoted to captain on her own merits as Shaw recommended
Sean, I can't agree with you on this. These are characters who are too important and have wide-ranging consequences that mess up the entire universe and are not responsible for cleaning up after themselves. The early 24th century has Orions, Pakleds, Borg, Ferengi, Romulans, and Klingons coming into the Federation. It has a giant power vacuum. It has a recently overturned Synth Ban (and likely renewed Augments Rights movement). It has a dead Q (and a certain admiral's omnipotent godson who's going to learn about grief for the first time). It has a bunch of almost undetectable changelings running amok. It has a massive tragedy that sullied an important holiday. It has new technologies, including Soong-type golems. It has easy and fast access to the Delta Quadrant. It has two extremely readily available cures for assimilation (meaning the aforementioned admiral may be a war criminal). Star Trek is supposed to examine society through sci-fi allegories; Legacy wouldn't be that, it would just be Great Man Theory but in space. We need a series that isn't about important, powerful people running about the universe being involved in every quadrant-defining historical moment possible. We need a series that focuses on a crew that actually gets to do the mission of the week sci-fi allegory stories and the beginning of the 24th century is full of possibilities for it. I want to see the consequences of all the changes. I want to see the struggles of helping Ferenginar adapt to communism. I want to see an episode where Cetacean Ops is called into question because of the glaring inequeties aquatics face on non-aquatic ships (and have it all be an interesting examination of the failures of DEI). I want to see what happens when a completely unremarkable changeling gets caught "pretending" to be a crew member and reveals that they've been being that person for years, including their entire time at the Academy. Legacy characters are too close to their own actions to criticise the consequences of them in a way that matters. The other problem is that Legacy would be too big to fail. They wouldn't be able to take massive risks because of how expensive it would be. We need a show that's willing and able to piss people off with its politics.
I am wondering if the reason they can not seem to greenlight it is that they are not sure which way it should go. Should it be a film pushed out in theatres? (Which is sorely needed; we have not had an ST film in quite awhile.) Or on the small screen? While a TV series could fill up so many story arcs that were never finished. (As listed in this video.) I think a full-screen film would be fantastic.
I know our tastes change and sometimes we aren't as interested in Star Trek, but wow, I think there is a new found appreciation because of so many reasons, but truly because of how things have changed, caught up and surpassed by leaps and bounds the technology and space travel abilities we now have now, or under consideration right now! Actually traveling to nearby stars and I think we're just getting warmed up. It's a great time to enjoy science and sci-fi!! 😁🌎❤️🕺🏻🐶
We had Klingon's in SNW .. granted they were rocking their K-POP vibe but it still counts lol
One of the few books i read in my life was a Star Trek book: The Return, which specifically talks about what happened after Generations, where kirk's body is stolen by Romulans to prevent Picard from helping against the borg...
This is a friend-of-a-friend story, so take it with the right amount of salt. My friend worked on production on S02 and S03 of PIC. They became friends with a higher-up who suggested to them that it's part Paramount doesn't want to spend the money on a third Star Trek drama, and it's part Kurtzman annoyed with Matalas' set-up in a direction Kurtzman didn't want to go.
it seems to be an absolute no-brainer, the problem may be that they are throwing their lot in for Section 31 and Starfleet Academy and don't want a third production atm
I know which one I would prefer
Definitely would love to have Star Trek: Legacy. Would also love to have a show set in the klingon empire. Also, Worf/Martok cooking show: It's a Good Day To Fry! 🤣🤣
Worth to mention that Legacy technically take place slightly prior to events of STO (though game itself is a holonovel compressing events of entire century into one story). But we still could see introduction of some basic plot lines. Like canon version of Iconians (what do not need to be identical as in the game, because they adaptation was a holostory). They could work it out with them having full red angel style suits. They literally did that already with the Breen!
Hell! Why not make Seven being pull out into temporal war and actually becoming part of crucial moments of 26'th century?
Aka literal STO adaptation? I think it could be really cool!
Agree fully with all you have said, only adding the point, love or hate her Captain Seven has epic Star Trek history that comes with her already and it's just fantastic.
I also wait for my Romulan War war movie. Scott Bakula is still alive, isn't he? He could show up indirectly.
Or even directly as Archer is a time travel after all.
What about Q's son (VOY: "The Q and the Grey") he was supposed to have brought peace to the Q Continuum
As far as bringing people back, if my math is rightz the Doctors backup module should still be making it's way home at around the same time Discovery is set in. So would love to see that in SF Academy
Kirk/Shatner would be a mixed positive/negative to my mind, However, I'd LOVE to see more Chekov and Sulu!
As always thank you so very much for the videos.
And crossovers... What about Doctor Who and Star Trek! (Like in the comics.)
I want Laris back. She needs to be Mrs Jean-Luc Picard. Stop drooling over Beverly Jean-Luc
Agreed. She got done dirty. There is a difference between love and nostalgia. Picard would know it.
I didn’t like much of ST:Picard at all, but just dropping that plot thread and character like a hot potato was especially egregious.
With Klingons, you also have the entire thing with regard to Miral Paris that also needs to be covered...which was one of the interesting stories in STO, but a more official one would be cool there
0:00 Intro
0:22 10: Centre Seat (Seven of Nine)
2:02 9: What About the Klingons?
3:08 8: You Want Crossovers?
4:06 7: Daystrom Station
5:57 6: Fleeting
7:04 5: It's Cast Itself & The Cast Itself
8:35 4: The Return (Q)
10:21 3: Post Supernova
12:05 2: On Demand
13:39 1: Easy Money
15:03 Outro
Q coming back from the dead is actually easier than it sounds when you recall the Continuum exist outside of Time & Space. In fact Q himself hints at how "humans are so linear" indicating he did indeed died, but the version who approaches Jack is a version before he died.
I liked "Picard" but I kind of understand why so many people were disappointed in it. It's great to see Patrick Stewart and the gang back together again, but the show doesn't look, sound or feel anything like the original show that we al fell in love with. Same goes for "Discovery". There's a disconnect that happens because it doesn't match what we're used to. "Discovery" takes place decades before the original series but it looks 50 times more advanced and it's hard to fathom how that could be. I will also admit that I'm a little tired of the corporate need to continually redesign the Klingons for some reason. "Enterprise" already fixed that gaff between the TOS Klingons and the Next Gen ones, but then "Discovery" had to screw it all up again by creating _their own_ version. Anyway, maybe this is just what happens when almost no one from the original series is involved with the new ones. :(
Totally agree. They need to put their egos and ambitions in check and stop fixing things that aren't broken just to avoid licensing fees or paying old crew to do make-up. Westmore is probably out of their budget, but can't see why they don't try to reproduce something close. Instead they write S1 DISCO like a horror show. TBH, I could have watched 50 seasons of TNG if they didn't close that open screenplay submission thing due to lawsuits. They need to bring that back, structure it legally to protect themselves, and get a real Trekkie to make executive decisions that are consistent with canon. Canon is a blessing; use it instead of going out of your way to pretend like you can do better than this tried and true formula that the fans are all expecting. Bring back the lights on the bridge, be timeline appropriate, act like Starfleet officers, no crew conflicts, give the crew some character development and decent hobbies, bring in some new aliens if you want to be creative (they can leave if the ratings show we don't like them rather than having to live a whole season with bad decisions), have some plot consistency (don't have Q slap Picard for no reason then end of the season by telling him he was a favorite, b please), have some courage to drop unpopular characters (Allison Pill is a great actress but her homicidal nutjob character showed no traits which would led us to believe that she nor anyone but a supercorporal being would be able to tame the Borg Queen), stop wasting money on all these creepy special effects to scare us into the emotions that you can't write, bring back Starfleet professionalism, bring back good dialogue, decent plots, intrigue. Hate this colloquial speech, like spending money to watch normal people yap about nothing.
@@trekon2023 Ronald Moore wrote some of the best TNG episodes. They should bring him back in as an executive producer, or better yet, the showrunner! He did "Relics" with James Doohan and it was a fantastic episode. The problem is, they've made such a mess of the whole thing that they almost can't do anything about it now unless they reboot the whole thing again. :(
Sovereign is such a sexy ship , it takes everything thats great about fed ships and makes it slick and fast looking , such a cool ship design
In addition to the points made in reason 10: I would love to see a Captain or maybe even Admiral Tom Paris help be a mentor and voice of reason to Seven. Would make for some interesting dialogue.
More, more, more Ro!!!! She is pure greatness!
It was never said that the Enterprise G was the flagship. Plus the term flagship was misused in TNG. A flagship is the ship in a fleet in which the commanding Admiral is on.
the Federation gave Kirk and Picard flagship status as Starfleet is still an exploration and diplomatic fleet. hence the Enterprise captains are chief diplomats rather than military commanders (despite functioning as both). So while Kirk and Picard hold the rank of Captain, their authority to speak for the Federation is special. The Admirals in ST don't have their own ship, they simply commandeer other vessels for their own operations. Even those vessels have captains of their own. Admirals are also assigned sectors or fleets to watch over, so they don't necessarily sit on ships with crews answering to them. First Contact had an Admiral's ship destroyed which resulted in Picard taking over, but he was late to the battle and faced no resistance from the other ships when he gave commands to fire at the cube.
Similarly the Defiant was the flagship of the combined alliance fleet, even if Vice Admiral Ross was on another ship technically commanding Sisko.
Now the Klingons and Romulans have their own flagships, but they tend to be the personal ship of the supreme commander, which represents their government. Martok notably commands a Bird of Prey, a smaller ship than Gowron's Bortas.
@@SantomPh The Enterprise D was called the flagship but I don’t recall either Enterprise commanded by Kirk ever being called the flagship. What episode or movie is that said in?
Please, ship classes are the most misused terms in Star Trek and many other Science Fiction franchises.
I believe as far as ships named Enterprise go, only the Enterprise D was ever confirmed to be the flagship of the fleet, even the Enterprise E wasn't labeled as the flagship and though it's easy to assume that it was it was never actually confirmed as such on screen. That all being said I doubt that the Enterprise G is the flagship and it's unlikely that Seven would be given such a role so soon after being promoted to Captain. Quite honestly I think if Legacy gets made that she will eventually end up an Admiral and Jack will end up as the Captain of the Enterprise G following his fathers footsteps.
Even though its from Star Trek online, i would not mind to see a Romulan Republic like creation come into Alpha and have new characters appear amongst with the return of the ones like D'Tan from Unification.
Two things to note: Q can be represented by Q-Junior in a Legacy series. Also, a lot of the "what happened next" is covered in Star Trek Online - they're already using the STO ships, so why not make use of the stories as well. The Delta quadrant, the time war, the Romulans, the Borg, the Iconians - there is so much content there they can use.
I think the no. 1 reason is not that clear-cut. Thinking back, the sets for season 2 & 3 of Picard were last used in early 2022. I only know that they preserved the reconstructed D bridge to some extent, but I haven‘t heard similar stuff of the other sets. Hope they have been somewhere stored instead of just torn down. The other aspect is the logistics, Picard was the only current Star Trek production that was LA-based, Disco, SNW and Section 31 are all Vancouver-based, so I would assume either they restart their LA-based production (which hasn‘t been used in 2 years by now) or everything has to relocate to Vancouver as well and they would be sharing production facilities with those sets as well and would somehow rotate between SNW, Starfleet Academy and an eventual third property (I.e. either Long Trek or a third live-action show). Sounds like lots of logistical headaches unfortunately.
They shoot the other shows in Mississauga, Ontario, but you're right that Picard's production was around LA.
@@c187rocks ooops, sorry on my part. Seems like ServiceNow's Brainwashing with "Vancouver" had some influence on my memory lol, thanks for clearing that up.
As someone who grew up watching TOS, what keeps me from seeing anymore is " streaming " tv. Won't pay to watch something that started as being accessible to the masses for free. I have and still use an antenna.
I NEED Legacy NOW! Would love captain 7 and I need a weekly shot of Ed Speleers! This and Strange New Worlds are the direction Star Trek should be going in. Just need to remodel the ship 😁.
With the way they seamlessly put a younger Luke Skywalker using another actor into "The Mandalorian", as long as they get the rights from Shatner, Kirk could pop up at any time.
What on Earth are you wittering about? Shatner doesn’t own the rights to Kirk. They wouldn’t need his permission.
@@gretchengoestonebraskaI would imagine Shatner owns the rights to use his own likeness though.
Not Shatner. With his recent politic views he doesn't belong in the hopeful and inclusive future that Star Trek portrays. It's heartbreaking to say that about someone that used to be progressive and fight for the rights of his black coworkers during the segregation era, but it's the unfortunate truth. Leave Shatner in the past, where he clearly wants to stay.
@@gretchengoestonebraska you need a person's permission to use their face in a commercial venture
@@SantomPh how does getting a new actor involve using Shatner's face?
I would Love to see a Legacy series. There is a Treasure Trove of content that could be used. Unfortunately, Paramount hasn’t been able to get a clue. Hopefully they realize how successful it could be.
I agree. The SUPERNOVA is a huge plot point that really needs to be addressed. Just look at what this one event caused: An entire separate, yet similar Universe that still has to contend with The Doomsday Device, V'ger, a still frozen and more dangerous Khan. Having knowledge about another prime timeline from Spock Prime before his death. On the prime side you have all the events that have happened since the beginning of the supernova as direct result of the supernova.
What other issues could this red matter tamper with if tinkered with? Starfleet is always doing stuff like this in the TNG era. I just feel like this event is not natural, not all, even in sci/fi terms.
Thank you for continuing the rallying cry! You guys rock.
Picard S3 was shot in Santa Clarita. The production may need to move to a different location for cost purposes... but to that end, the cast may not want to move out of state. It was a fun show to work on.
I am definitely into the idea of Star Trek: Legacy with 7 as captain but I also want them to avoid easter eggs and nostalgia as much as possible. I'd be happier with some fresh new stories with new ideas (not redesigning Klingons again, by the way) than picking up too many old threads. Lower Decks is the perfect vehicle for that sort of thing.
thing is, easter eggs are what the Trekkie fandom's most rabid people want to see. They get upset when a Vulcan's ears are too small or something.
Jeri Ryan was the reason I watched Voyager and I love how 7 made better decisions than Janeway. In fact the risk Janeway put her crew thou piss me off a lot of times and 7 was always pointing out a better solution. Sometimes he decisions was cold but I still agree with her.
I reckon they should do a Warehouse 13 style show about Daystrom Station. Have a core cast of four or five characters that go out into the Federation and collect and contain relics, artefacts, anomaly's, and just general weird shit that Starfleet finds that's too dangerous to be left in standard archives, but definitely warrants further study.
I like the idea of a younger (non-linear time) Q interacting with a more mature star fleet crew who knows all about him and the continuum. Maybe they are the ones who convinced (more mature) Q to put humanity on trial in the first place, to fulfill an ultimate destiny they shared together
Yes, I think it's potentially interesting to see what the Klingon Empire is up to, but on the whole, I would like to know what the Federation and all of the inhabitants of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants have been doing. I think Legacy needs to happen because Star Trek hasn't been good since DS9 - the with very notable exception of Picard S3 - and Discovery is so bad it almost killed the franchise outright. DS( was not just about DS9, it gave us a running narrative of the Federation, the Klingon Empire, the Romulans, you get the idea... Legacy needs to do this with that goal as its focus.
Regarding the sets, I’m sure Dave Blass has said at least once that the only set they kept at the end of Picard Season 3 was the Enterprise-D. So, presumably, they’ve got rid of all the others. I have a feeling he said they’d have to redesign/improve them for a potential Legacy spin-off anyway, as there were certain elements he wanted to change.
“The Return” Shatnerverse reference not intended. Though Project Phoenix could tie in nicely with a Borg Romulan alliance
Great work guys thanks for all your hard work yes bring legacy now you could save the studio I’m up for it all great story ideas new movies in the CGI wall you can save money with that too thanks for the fun until next time
The Romulan story arc has always been fascinating. I like to imagine that after the destruction of Romulus, a number of Romulan admirals and generals began to seize power for themselves with whatever military assets they had under their command at the time. This could lead to dozens of Romulan warlords, each waging war against each other but also against others like the Federation, Klingon Empire, and more. There could be a story about one warlord trying to claim the mantle of Emperor (which seems to have been abandoned by the old Romulan Empire as their head of state was a Praetor).
Imagine Game of Thrones meets Shogun meets Star Trek lmao.
seems the Tal Shiar gathered all the Romulans who wanted to fight and became the antagonists of season one of Picard. The Romulans ,while not prone to coups and infighting (see Shinzon) are generally united in purpose, so shattering into small fiefs might not be realistic. What could be interesting is the final reunification with the Vulcans, which was the dream of Spock. Ruined in the Kelvin verse but very possible in the main universe.
Like the Klingons, the Romulans seemed to have abandoned the idea of having an Emperor but kept the empire conceit. Unlike the Klingons however the Romulans don't seem to have any role for an Emperor at all, and don't need one at all. They are a republic with an oligarch at the top.
Love you all and what you bring to us and to Star Trek. Here's where I'm at on this: the metrics for ST:SNW & ST: Legacy are the same, if not even greater for Legacy. IP board members and shareholders or the creatives, hopefully TM included, are simply approaching it with less immediate response. 'If you build it...' Have faith, we are living in an ST: Field of Dreams :D
The more time passes , the less likely it is. They have the sets and assets from Picard. They have to strike while the iron is hot
Thought they could bring back Q's son to carry on his father's Starfleet trolling, literally Q's legacy. It would bring the character back, and hand it off to his son, and give it a different spin as John might not be able or would want to take on anything more than a guest role occasionally.
Seven of Nine is one of my *favorite* characters in the entire Trek universe
I so agree for all these reasons. Star trek forever. Besides discovery legacy continues the timeline.
Actually the only place I see Shatner doing a final Cameo would undoubtedly be Strange new worlds. Perhaps as Sam and Paul Wesley's James T.'s grandfather and getting a chance to stand on the bridge of the DiscoPrise.
If I had to guess, they are waiting to get Discovery season 5 and the Section 31 movie out of the way before moving on to Legacy. Allocation of marketing and production based on the somewhat recent cuts. I doubt SNW is going anywhere, so it would make sense to have a TOS and TNG era show running side by side like the TOS films and Berman era did in the 80s and 90s. edit: I also completely forgot about starfleet academy.
Bringing back William Shatner as Capt. James T. Kirk is a good idea in theory. Personally I'd love to see it happen, but hopefully HOW Jim will be brought back will be done in a logical way consistent with what Starfleet's tech can feasibly do and without violating the Federation's ban on genetic engineering. Hopefully, God Willing it happens, the story will be well written that is true to his character, and hopefully, an episode where Capt. Kirk can indeed make a difference.
But, as Mr. Ferrick said, the show mustn't be all about Easter Egg cameos: if Jim Kirk or other characters do show up, they should be involved in a major way in the episode they are seen.
Strange New World's was always in the plan. Our letter campaign was unnecessary, and a manipulation of the studio to make us think their " listening" or doing us a favour. Has anyone signed a petition for Academy? Prodigy WAS necessary.
Trek history to be readdressed whether canon or not. Some stories haven't had a proper chance ending left out in the darkness of space and character-based stories with plenty of unfinished plots are not closed. But most all missing characters from the roster of stories with the history behind them some just vanished from Star Trek NG old and new face or variants of episodes that later crossover to DS9, and Voyager characters with holes in their stories of what eventually became of them. Legacy and other sources of stories could have a massive reveal if some characters return in a cameo way even if a few do appear. Like the idea of Legacies in Trek just wondering if there's a mention in Below Deck ACR in Legacy or a face from the distance past reappearing like from the original Star Trek appearing on Legacy ( Flint) a strange character who is immortal or was before kirk and grew change that or so was believed? Flint could have a reason to reappear as it was never answered where came from, the original thought was Earth he did live there but a curious question to his past could be connected to a time-travelling individual who appeared in NG?
The majrity of the reasons listed are canon, lore, and fanservice related. That's not something to greenlight a show over. And there being a ticking timer on this is even less of a reason to greenlight it, there's no point in rushing this series into production when it could end up being the final appearance for so many of these older characters. Rushing the show out and seeing that these characters were not handled with the proper care and attention would be dertimental to the whole franchise.
We've already seen how the Mandalorian went from a show with a very clearly defined premise and tone in Season 1, to a cameo/legacy character episode every other week in season 2, to one of those characters every week in season 3, and that show has hurt the Star Wars brand because of it.
Star Trek has always been about "boldly going where no one has gone before", and this series is just going back to where we've already been.
The blatant and incessant member berries of Picard season three became rather patronizing, distracting and insulting.
Very well said. The proposed Legacy show is not what I come to Trek for.
Captain Seven FTW
I think Prodigy could do a crossover with Legacy, with Janeway linking the two. We had Walter Koenig perform a voiceover in Picard; why not something potentially similar for the more non-humanoid characters (Murf, Rok?) or actually get to see Jankom on-screen since Tellarites have several live-action appearances? With the level of CGI now, Zero could easily be animated in their floating suit. As for Gwyn or Dal, Gwyn could be translated more easily. This would be the most logical, since both series hail from Voyager ancestry with Seven as captain.
I knew she was a "look at me" in my skin tight outfit eye candy in Voyager but as a character in general 7 of 9 was great, well acted, well written in the related back stories and probably one of the best Startrek female leads
Hell yes! Make Legacy happen!
In regards to Q, would be an interesting idea to have Junior as the Q going foreward
Seven would have to have some clash with Janeway, right? Or some sort of contact between the two really.
It would be an Enterprise led by "misfits" not saying Seven is one but she's definitely not your typical straight cut starfleet officer. She could be even more brash than Kirk. I agree with most of your points but I think we should keep cameos and easter eggs to a minimum. As for a lover of starships, I've actually seen "enough" of them in Picard S3 that I know they are out there. They have jobs to do :) Has more impact when some other ship shows up from time to time. Anyway I think Legacy has enough merit to go on themselves, they just need good writers.
There's something Hollywood just doesn't seem to get or is slowly just coming to understand. People want to see their favorite stories continue, not be rebooted, not be swapped out for a different more diverse character, They want to see the same actors continue their legacies. They want to be reminded of how they felt the first time they watched them on the screen. Seeing Seven come back in all her glory, man it just felt like such a gift to see her story continue. Lean into the nostalgia Paramount, it will be worth it.
It's not just the nostalgia - it's the hope.
Actually, people want something new. People like endings. That’s why after avengers endgame, most people pretty much stopped watching Marvel. Because it ended the story for them. That’s why after Godfather two and even three, people decided that was the end and they didn’t want anymore. That’s why everything has to end to have a value. If it goes on for infinity, it becomes water down unless important. Things have to stop. No more continuations
@@Mcsqw if you need capitalist who are trying to make money off of something to give you hope, I think there are bigger issues that might need to be addressed.
I don't always agree with you, but this time you got my "like".
The Enterprise-E being no longer under the Federation or Starfleet command might be interesting.
A trading ship in deep space, kind of grim but full of potential drama.
While the decision making behind Star Trek over the last few years has not exactly been uniformly great, I think they are smart enough to realize that it would indeed be logical to make Star Trek: Legacy. However, I think there are issues on the business side of things that may prevent or at least delay such a thing. Issues relating to the uncertainty within Paramount about their future, as there are all sorts of rumors swirling about Paramount possibly being bought, or of just the Star Trek property being sold to another studio, or of Paramount Plus merging with another streaming service, or that Alex Kurtzman may be looking to exit Star Trek. Until there's some more clarity on these potential behind the scenes things, I wouldn't expect any sort of announcement about Star Trek: Legacy. I just hope they get their shit together before too much time passes, and it's too late to make it happen.
So many characters could return from all of Trek, while these actors are willing & healthy enough to return. However Kurtzmans ego won't allow it. Funny how Picard season 3 hit the top ten streaming shows several times & won numerous awards. We were incredibly lucky to get Terry Matalas & his take on Trek. Cbs should've jumped on the hype with Legacy, but it's not the way Kurtzman wants his vision of Trek to go.
Yeah, I think it was the fan complaints that brought Picard into existence. Then they shit all over the fans when they wrote S1 which treated our Capt like shit (had him talked down to by Admirals and Starfleet staff like he didn't save the Alpha quadrant many times over and for some reason deliberately create a running scene with a 20-something just to show how old he is, like he can't be a badass coordinating / calling the shots from a desk as a General, handler, or Charlie of Charlie's Angels). They tried desperately and obviously tried to wean us off our favorite characters like crap (Seven included) which were hand-wrapped to them as gifts in this franchise. They tried to cut costs but really the costs that need to be cut are all the showrunners and writers who don't know crap about Trek. They even did a highlight where they mooned over how they saved costs by getting a really expensive AR wall but it's incredibly limiting and you can tell every time they use it because they can only shoot in one direction!!! The savings!
Re: #10 - The reason stated her is the same reasons Burnham is such a great character but for some reason not received the same way. Just something to think about. Both these woman have shaky starts but become amazing Captain.
It's about time someone mentioned the Remans!
Sean, You got a belly laugh on your comment about Q "He bothered Sisko once!"
Let do Star Trek Continuum. A quantum leap style trek centered around the Q as they travel back and forth in time to major historic events in both the real world and trek history. The Bell Riots from DS9, the separation of the Romulans and Vulcans. Titanic, world wars, and more.
That's sort of what Discovery was planned to be, originally. An anthology show, with a different cast and time period every season. (Note how we didn't get introduced to the crew in season 1, because they were irrelevant and wouldn't be around very long.) It's very expensive to do that though, which is one of the reasons that idea was canned. Having to build new sets, create all new 3D models and animations, create new detailed makeup regimes for foreground characters (background characters are much easier)... the list goes on and on. Star Trek is a very hard show to do an anthology series about, unless you make it a cartoon.
And even then... on Lower Decks it took them until season 2 to get a proper model of the Cerritos itself, with both the model and the textures getting revamped. Never mind the other ships. The Pakled ships in season one were literally comprised of a few 2D mat paintings (and it showed) because that's all they could afford both money and timewise.
So yeah. It's possible, it would be cool, but it's so expensive that I wouldn't bank on that happening, for purely practical reasons.
@@jasonwalker9471 if you went normal trek, yeah. Wildly expensive to do. But thats why Continuum would be centered around the Q. No ships, no big special effects needs all the time. Star Trek is really in name only.
Absolutely 99.72% agree. However we already have plenty of Kirk. In Strange New Worlds and the Kelvin (Chis Pine) Star Trek 4 that’s being made. I like Paul Wesley. He should be given the chance to make Kirk his.
I always find it odd that none of the new young Kirks look anything remotely like Shatner. And none of them are remotely as good looking as young Shatner in his tan, blonde heyday.
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