Manifest v3 is Worse than I Thought
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Don't you love it when the open source alternatives have a distinct feature rich feeling rather than the made up languages to keep things proprietary?
yes
Yes!
If opera's managed to convince zoomers to install spyware just because it can play stupid meme sounds I wonder how well firefox would do if they spent more than a big mac on their marketing budget.
Mozilla is a mismanaged cluster of companies that's comfortable with the paycheck they get from Google for bundling their browser.
They have little incentive to actually make their browser product better, and with chromium being the de facto standard platform, they can't afford to innovate with new features, as websites likely won't support them.
They've also been branching out into other ventures, like running paid alternatives to web services that are dressed up as "more private", but in reality, Mozilla couldn't give less of a sh about actually protecting your privacy (by default).
I've been using Firefox for about as long as I can remember, and even though I still like the browser, it feels like a dying project.
They already do.
But Mozilla... Unfortunately, is not your friend... They only use 1% of their money on firefox and thunderbird combined. This is developers, infrastructure, storage, etc...
They look like the controlled opposition to google, unfortunately (again).
Alternatives don't really exist. Buuuutt... For now there's projects like librewolf and waterfox
Firefox has a marketing budget?
@@kuhluhOG not anymore. i got hungry and ordered that big mac. oops
@@kuhluhOG Yep. They do. Bryan did a rundown of their budget some months ago: ua-cam.com/video/3KDcxSZDang/v-deo.html
Adblockers should be mandatory for underage users.
As an adult I don't want to see softcore either
Would be really difficult to implement
Especially when even YT has sexual ads
@@swagmuffin9000Schools + somewhat competent parents solve 90% of this
@@mgord9518 at home though, a lot of parents aren't competent or even know what their kids do online. I have to be the one that tells my friends/family to harden systems, and then they just make me do it for them. It's really easy to do but, at least what I notice here, parents don't really supervise their kids online and it sucks. Apathy sucks
Imagine letting the biggest ad and search company also dictate how you view the internet. I'm not sure how it's even legal.
This is what Oligopolies do. Google needs to be broken up.
@@Vicorcivius I assume that they created Alphabet because of it
To be fair, it developed the other way around. Still not good.
I think they have the same effect elon musk has. Lots of cash, contributes with tech, and people are willing to look the other way because of it.
Has the last 8+ years of politics taught you nothing? The government doesn't have any teeth when dealing with people of wealth, and depends on people doing the "right thing".
Let's make Firefox better again
Mozilla is too incompetent to allow that to happen, plus Google is their sugar daddy.
It already is
That's what the chrome extension team said.
@@vvinterwulf it really isn't. I'm using thorium, a chromium based debloated browser and its so much faster and more memory efficient than any firefox browser i've used, even mercury.
Make Firefox Great Again, MFGA.
love love lovveee the pride pin 💜
Obey the Goolag manifesto. 💀
3:00 It is always about "security." this is how digital tyranny expands.
Not that different from any other kind of tyranny.
The irony is that ads are the biggest security risk on the web. Ad content is pulled from so many random domains and leaks information constantly.
In digital tyranny they will do everything but removing the origin.@@T1Oracle
@T1Oracle and that's just the non-malicious ones
@@T1Oracle ... And the ad provider gets to know what websites you go to
Shame that most of the modding community won't think to boycot chrome altogether so that users are drawn away from it to browsers that do support their favourite extentions, would teach google a very harsh lesson in respecting user choice
I dont really see a reason, to use chrome, unless if there is an online test before interview, which requires chrome compatibility..
I cannot even imagine using chrome these days..
@@catseye8926 No it WAS taken away (not that I would ever choose to use chrome besides testing web pages), just by preventing us from giving our extensions the permission to run in the background and to download and execute code without Google's approval Google has basically made the browser so bad I will write pages from now on to explicitly exlclude all content to chrome. Like internet explorer and edge chrome should now be on a social blacklist of software to use.
@@APerson-tk8cweven in cases where i need chrome for compatibility (like discord screen sharing bc that doesn’t work on firefox for some reason), vivaldi works just fine
I switched to firefox a minute ago...
@@catseye8926 Yes it was taken away and apparently YT is pulling the same s**t as usual, deleting my comments against my will. Had previously replied to your comment but it's gone now >:(
Using ad block on chrome is like using tor on windows. You decide to use a privacy tool in an unsafe environment. Use a better browser, like firefox for example, that everyone knows about.
Ad block is not a privacy tool.
@@last8exile 🤓. you get my point bro. there are ad blockers out there that act as content/script blockers as well, so they are privacy related. depends on the ad blocker.
i don't use ad block for privacy, i use it to not have to be interrupted by ads lol
yea i said to the previous commenter (my comment got shadowbanned for some reason) some ad blocks are multipurpose thats why i used that as an analogy, although i do know its not the best :)@@claranymark
I really love this new style of video! Thanks for another great one Nicco!
I really hope that one day electric companies will start turning off power to Google datacenters and will turn on back and only when needed (for 30 seconds, no more). This will greatly improve Internet security and "eco-friendliness"😁
Unfortunally Google has their own backup power sources in (i think) all of their datacenters so it's not that easy.
@@Maramowicz well, then ISP instead of power/electricity companies.
Utopic and destructiv, not constructiv behaviour, but the core idea is the same.
@@Pizzabeirut google is their own ISP
So, simplified "google will kill chrome!" this won't just block adblockers, but any app that works with the wider internet - such as translation apps, news apps etc, with firefox-wayland we don't even need GTK while running firefox in KDE,
Good news.
This made me switch to Firefox.
I wonder is it for Chromium really needed to switch to Maniifest V3? I mean it is open source, and they also dont provide Google Sync anymore. So why do they need to switch to V3?
You might want to prepare to switch back to a Chromium based browser eventually. Remember who Mozilla's sugar daddy is? It's Google, and I imagine Google will "politely recommend" to Mozilla to deprecate Manifest V2 in Firefox in the future. Meanwhile Chromium based browsers like Brave and Vivaldi aren't necessarily beholden to Google as they aren't funded by Google. Vivaldi has a built-in adblocker and iirc Brave has stated they're just not going to deprecate V2.
Chromium is open source but it is solely developed by Google, it cannot get commits that are not ultimately approved by Google
@@forzatoro89 Thx
@@forzatoro89 This isn't necessarily true. Just like any open source project you *_can_* fork it if you wish.
@@antikommunistischaktion this project is to large and complex to be maintained by free fork maintainers
I love the news reporter style video.
This is what Oligopolies do. Google needs to be broken up post haste.
seeya will finance them anyway.y
I find it a bit sad that google chooses to abuse it's position to force their way of making money on us, instead of changing, while making security worse for us. I believe most people would be willing to pay an honest company for an honest and fair service. Anyway thanks for keeping us up to date on these matters, with your wonderful cute accent :).
Google depends on ads, it is only forcing us what it expects. Use of their services in return for us watching ads. I have nobidea how expensive it would be to pay for the services (Internet search, mail, calendar, 15gb online storage, youtube videos etc)
When are people going to realize that at first businesses, give you excellent products, in order to get all the customers to join in, once the majority of people join in, then they make it shit like always. Whether it’s software hardware product services commodities is always the same thing. Business is always do the same thing. History repeats itself.
* looks around at UA-cam *
huh, interesting point, I'm struggling to think of an example though 😏
@@paultapping9510 what does google do?
Watched this video purely for the algorithm. Never using Chrome again in my life, and have been encouraging others to do the same.
Also, that permission system is just YET ANOTHER bunch of stupid buttons you'll have to click on a website just like bloody cookies which the EU tried to "fix" only to mess up years ago.
ok. but where do I get note gpt, one tab, video speed slider, tab suspend, tts, obsidian mark clipper, Grammarly, undistracted and save to google keep elswhere? i dont pay 3/month for obsidian connect. and have to do dumps. i use google keep for android tts notes when my adhd has me all over the place and I need to say a note allowed. also data dumping and transferring is a pain with onetab.
@@AkkarisFox Well, that happens when you make yourself dependent of stuffs and companies.
Using way too much useless software it seems. Now you get lots of ads for free :)
One can live without all that so-called "features", who really needs a gpt ? If your life depends on such stuff, there are always alternatives which don't spy on you 24/7
Chat with physical people not with a software, and go out. Might be a surprise, but there is real life out there.
@@AkkarisFox OK, so here's a list of extensions you listed that work on Firefox:
OneTab
Video Speed Controller
Auto tab discard
Grammarly
Obsidian clipper (there are a bunch of them, I haven't used any of them)
Bunch of tts, don't know what specifically you use
google keep notes
there are some gpt extensions but I don't use them so can't say what's good.
It's not the EU that placed the buttons there. It is the website authors decision to deliberately put the button there. It is entirely optional.
@@AkkarisFox one tab and grammarly are on firefox, distract me not and obsidian clipper are also extensions. enhancer for youtube allows custom video speed. Use syncthing to sync your vault across devices.(sync it through pDrive if you want cloud backups) there are tts addons, I just haven't looked into them much. idk about note gpt. just because you haven't looked for solutions doesn't mean they don't exist.
take care :)
i wish servo was good enough for a browser, we need more web engine competition.
Servo is dead and buried years ago. At least we got rustout of the project
Im only worried about FF being funded by google (its a thing).
But hey, forks of FF like Librewolf exists, so even if that fails, we good.
But librewolf is just a soft fork, all they do is apply some patches to clean up mozilla's mess. They don't really inovate or add new features. I don't mean that in a negative way, im just saying that if mozilla went to shit, the librewolf team wouldn't be able to carry firefox further on thier own, as they currently sit.
@@rauldragu9447 sure, than there are other forks. But for now librewolf does enough. And when push comes to shives im pretty sure there will be forks choice :)
If people would pay for software again a lot could change
11:56 cerealize 🥣
Perhaps a fork of Chromium that keeps manifest v2 is in order?
I read somewhere that a bird born in a cage will never know freedom. This is the case with Windows and Google Chrome, as they are the cages, and new users are shoved into it. Inside it is a brave new world to them since it has everything to make them not step out and see that there is firefox, there is Linux, there is free software made to be free.
free if you have an education in software design and a good memory in your brain. gui navigation neglect is killing the platform and nothing is plug and play on Linux. that's why us low brains with high stress stay here on windows. stress from poverty and a sense of scarcity has neurodivergent effects (that build up over time) on integrative thinking, memory retrieval, and process memory, to the point your memories are feint tracks. ai will help but not on a subscription fee to open ai servers on Linux where the implementation itself is a barrier to entry.
@@AkkarisFox most things are plug and play in linux these days... for instance, my audio interface.. no where near plug and play in windows. have to download drivers, go through menus selecting it and setting it up.... but in linux, just plug it in and it is instantly recognized and ready to go with defaults that can easily be changed if wanted
@@AkkarisFoxExcept there are several noob friendly distros with GUI Package Managers. A massive chunk of desktop users would be completely fine using something like Mint. The most the average person uses on their pc is a web browser and an Office suite, all of which is piss easy to obtain without opening the command line at all on Mint. Saying you need "an education in software design" is just stupid and misinformation.
@@AkkarisFoxAlso how is nothing plug and play on linux?? It is more plug and play than windows. I've never had to look up gpu specific drivers, drivers for any of my peripherals or printers, never had to install updates immediately after a fresh install. On windows you have to dick around for at least half an hour to an hour after a fresh install before you have a usable system. Not to mention Microsoft is stupid and they've recently pushed out a security patch that refuses to install unless you MANUALLY resize your recovery partition, which the majority of Windows users won't know how to do nor will they know that they need to do it, unless they find the right youtube tutorial. Garbage OS.
@@gogg111 Same for a fresh install on a laptop. On any linux distro everything works out of the box, but on windows touchpad and fn keys just don't work until you install drivers
Moneyfest version 3
you sir, you catch the nerve
firefox i'd been missing you so much
really good and important topic but i think you should try to do something to this audio. it is very quiet compared to other videos. i can even boost the audio like 12db without any noticeable distortion. that shouldn't be possible on a video with correct audio settings.
You assume that "privacy" means "user controls their data".
"Privacy" for google is "site controls the user data and not user".
And it all start to make sense.
I.e. DRM, privacy is when person cannot pirate stuff. The google politics is a bit twisted here.
OH, it is also totally makes sense. Because for many users apple devices is a "pinnacle of the privacy". Even if they basically have 0 control.
privacy means you don't get spied or tracked
I wish we could get enough knowledgeable volunteers to get Falkon up to speed.
Falkon Also uses chromium (via QtWebengine) unless we want to revive khtml there's no other Option (because gecko doesn't like being embedded anywhere)
@@keit99 I thought Falkon used Safari's webkit
@@keit99sad
@@keit99 The Servo engine is in active development, and it's under the wing of the Linux foundation.
I never touched Chrome based browsers and never will.
I'm loving the pride pins, feeling the love 💖
I would watch this video but youtube has detected I'm using an adblocker and won't play it on firefox.
GoGoGo Firefox!
Who will implement Manifest V3 in the future. Remember who Mozilla's sugar daddy is.
Floorp.
@@antikommunistischaktion Firefox already supports Manifest v3, but it has its own implementation of it that still don't brake many of the more advanced extensions/add-ons. And I don't think they will change this any time soon, because the main reason why some people still uses Firefox is because of the extensions/add-ons. But who knows, maybe they will completely drop support for Manifest v2 somewhere in the future, but if that happens I think the browser will completely die and all that will be left is an evil Goolag monopoly.
@@antikommunistischaktion Firefox already supports Manifest v3, but it has its own implementation of it.
@@HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh For now until Google hands out that next sugar baby payment, then you will find a different V3 implementation as well as V2 suddenly missing.
Sounds like Plugins you install on the computer will be back.
Does Firefox now allow you to create you own search string without an extension? 10 years ago it didn't have that and you were required to install an extension for a search engine in order to query it, and there was no way to modify it. Plus it was adding tracking into the url. Back then it was a deal breaker for me. Do they handle it differently now?
from my knowledge you still need extensions, although you can always just make your own - doesn't seem too hard
You can right click on a search box and click "Add a keyword for this search"
8:53 it is called "progress" in digital tyranny.
long time later got your video
do they still keep pushing pocket? the first thing I always do is to delete that crap from FF and it keeps coming back.
I disabled updates for chrome. That really helps.
You, as a KDE developer, could you make a video talking about how KDE and maybe other open-source projects get money? I always had this question.
What will happen people will create wrappers for their ab block extensions.
Love the pin 🤗
lol were you doing stuff with flatpak before you made the screenshot at 7:25 and accidentally middle clicked?
Finger scanner interface please!
Nemo drag and drop also!
Media codecs etc for preview icons!
Widgets are removed on theme changes!
Icons at log dont look right for some themes.
Merci
Adblock will have to be moved into the firewall and or vpn perhaps.
pihole?
@@sixdroid why not.
No, you just use another browser.
>< Trackers will bypass adblockers and script blockers by using ' off-screen ' transit.
I wonder how much time would take to make an alternative to Chrome that doesn't suck nor have manifest v3... lol
Hello firefox my old friend, I've come to talk with you again
Nicco can you tell how can I report bugs, request feature and contribute in kde.
does this manifest change affect pwa-apps with serviceworkers?
If I can't run adblock (and tamper monkey, certain to be impacted by the same policies) on mainline chrome, it's dead to me.
Just don't use Chrome. Why would you use that garbage in the first place?
Maybe the rejection of ad blockers will make more people move from Chrome
To date, Chrome has 175 000 extensions i predict by year end it will be reduced to 25 000 usable extensions due to M3
Haha, knew this was coming that's why I'm still on FF even with all these sites trying to trick me into going chrome by breaking FF. I a site won't work with FF then its the sites fault and dont let them trick you into a browser that uses you.
Firefox FTW.. Only place I've ever used chrome is on a work PC where I was forced to.
Bad workplace then.
Google eliminating its rival who also "collecting data for malicious purposes"
Sounds like adblockers will be implemented ANYWAYS via browser proxy, LOL.
I still use mainly Chrome for convenience, the moment adblock stops working i will switch without a second thought
i only use it for school account
Never touched a Chromium based browser, except for Brave, which is ok (and Edge to download Firefox) But Firefox has always been my one and only browser. Glad that most Linux distros ship it by default. The mobile version is excellent too.
When you completely stop, pause, point out your mistake, then redo the line... cut that part out and go straight to the redone line.
I have Add-blocker to the OS level on Android and Windows. No problem.
v3 sucks but I'm not switching to Firefox until we fully forced into using v3 only
I Hope it will bring more people to firefox
This is a very good way for Google to kill Chrome. Many extensions developers will not be able to continue to support Chrome or it will be too much of a hassle. Gradually, Chrome will have less extensions and many, that remain may have impaired functionality.
People will attribute this to Google and to Chrome, than to the extensions (and rightly so) and will ditch Chrome for a better browser.
Which means in the long run Chrome will lose big on its market share.
So, in this case the bad may be for the better.
Chrome as controlled by screwgle will die with policies that take control away from users. Forks of chromium that still support user choice of plugins will survive.
If this isn't a signal that google is actively hostile to the user I don't know what is.
This is what happens when the user is the product.
Great way to end your reign as the browser king, Chrome😂
Of course google wants user privacy protection from extensions, taking all of peoples data without a care is google's job after all.
Too many déjà vu's in this video. 😹
This is why other browsers are needed.
They already exist?!
They are in danger though@@halfsourlizard9319
This is why i still use Firefox.
yeh i would just rather have the consistency in some of the changes they're implementing. this way, when the Dems claim it was "Russian Bots", the logs for some webapp requiring authentication will indicate whether the "bots" browsers used the attestation in Chrome.
First thing I noticed was the badge, that earned a like & subscribe.
Eheh
What's the batch about?
Time for a 🍴. Internet Explorer beat Netscape. Firefox beat Internet Explorer. Chrome and Safari beat Firefox. Someone can do it again with another new browser.
I only use chrome for reading gmail 😂
Why do you use it for that?
Boost your voice over volume ! you're at - 18 db !
Watching this from UA-cam premium so you should still get a cut 😉
Yess thank youuu
Believe me, i didnt understand a single thing you said. But i trust you, i Believe in you. thanks for the video.
And, you think that bragging about ignorance is a good idea rather than learning enough to understand things that affect your security? This is precisely why abominations like Chrome are the normie browsers of choice. Shame!
@@halfsourlizard9319 here comes the professor i dont need, i use firefox on linux Mint and thanks for your concern.
Breaking google is killing chrome for nerds
There naive thinking anyone with some technical skills will stay on chrome if adblocking gets prevented
Brave : Hahahah Google!
Doesn’t really matter. Not using chrome anyway.
will pihole work then?
Pihole is orthogonal to browser-based adblocking. It works at the level of DNS reqs.
Switched to Firefox.
Ok, lets set the volume to 80% to even hear and watch this, then die of fright when I forget to lower it to the normal value of 10% when this video is done. Please check volume before posting new videos... 😕
Yet another reason to never touch any Blink-based browser.
Am I the only one smelling a Chromium fork coming?
Google needs to be broken up along with Meta.
Do you use Google Chrome?
Never.
Time to switch back to Firefox
This is the downfall of a dinosaur...
I only watch videos I really want to, otherwise I get AI to summarise the transcript and give me the quickie.
I want to reduce distractions and control my attention. If ads or google are not helping my brain, I am not interested.
Find things that supplement, make easier, help people do what they are doing. I get really cringy being bombarded by billboards and assistants.
I have become very aware of the leaches that can suck my brain. And I am very much not giving them or it my mind.
I don't engage with video streaming platforms or tv services. I might watch Euronews, CNN, or local government news channel.
I am looking to control who or what has my attention. I want to create my own local space and branch out where I will, in a healthy way.
These platforms are restrictive and controlling and exploitive. I would like to be in control of what I create.
I will like to be in control. Have property.
I want an internet I own.
Maybe people could have internet numbers, and distributors have to dial it up, and only what is chosen to be shared.
A universal identity platform. Maybe.
31.38 you could ended it after subscribed.
I don't use chrome never liked it. I always used firefox based browsers.
Oh no.
Anyway ...
Ill just keep using Vivaldi on manifest v2 until an alternative appears or the adblock stops working.
Firefox
Vivaldi is closed source
Imagine still using Chrome in 2024.
People are stupid.
Your audio is very quiet, you might want to target a higher content loudness.
Fun fact: You control the volume on your device.
Not chromium users(Firefox and other)
👇🏻
I liked my own comment
you spelled licked wrong
@@gordslater licking the Firefox is nice :)
I use FF as well ... Oh and Arch BTW.
@@halfsourlizard9319 i use Fedora.
@@gordslater bro you wrote liked wrong you wrote licked like with the tongue😛😛
Nice suit 🎉
Thanks it was a Christmas present!
I don't understand all of the fuss. Run ad blocking on an external device--firewall or even a cheap Raspberry Pi. This can cover your entire network without needing to add it to each individual device or worrying whether a browser will support it or not.
No way will I have to run any external device.
Unfortunately it will be too technical for eu politicians to go against this.