Everything about the GNOME finance situation
Вставка
- Опубліковано 29 кві 2024
- 💸💸 Help me contribute to KDE and do these videos: 💸💸
Paypal: paypal.me/niccolove
Patreon: / niccolove
Liberapay: liberapay.com/niccolove
Ko-Fi: ko-fi.com/niccolove
Stay in the loop: t.me/veggeroblog
My website is nicco.love and if you want to contact me, my telegram handle is [at] veggero.
I love your suit
yeah, it's cool
I would have to agree
spiffing
Great suit for sure
"thanks, it has pockets"
AKA money stuff is complicated, even more when you are nonprofit, someone should have reached for comments instead of jumpint to conclusions (that seems to be current-politics motivated).
Let's say that this kind of baseless speculation is very common from the guu that made the post (Br. Lu).
Of course it was Lunduke 🙄
very informative, thank you :3
I always love the news-style Nicco videos!
LMAO, they must've read that GNOME is not profitable... because it's not a for-profit company.
Non-profits can and do make profit:
any revenues that exceed expenses must be committed to the organization's purpose, not taken by private parties.
But the presidents of nonprofits can pay themselves fabulously for their work and that is an expense.
Nothing to do with Gnome necessarily but don't think all nonprofits are Angels.
@@hopelessdecoy sure, but we're not talking about shady non profit company, it's GNOME foundation, and I'm sure not all non-profit is Angel, nor all they are too Evil.
@@hopelessdecoy Yeah I think it's not ideal that these foundations are still ran like companies of sorts with "boards" and "executives", it ultimately relies on the people in charge not abusing their position... They should really be ran democratically by the community like e.g debian.
@@hopelessdecoy Luckily Gnome publishes exactly how much they pay Gnome Staff. Board members get nothing, and administrative spending was $30k last year. Someone's getting really rich there it seems (NOT)
nonprofit spends all its revenue to avoid profit, wow whoda guessed!
thank you for the video nicco, it was interesting to learn more about the finances of these orgs :D
We need an update about the Pine Note!
Thanks and Keep Up The Good Work!
Video Quality 👌 , Loved the whole vibe of it, very Knomish 😎
Is that Lunduke? He was a funny guy, but now he's just a pain in the *ss.
He is a logical conclusion for a lot of Conservative talking heads within FSF movement, all about security and free speech, less about responsibility and actual development.
@@IMBREISGAU Yeah, if it was for them I could not have a job right now.
He's just a fearmonger and serial shit stirrer, I have no idea why anyone would take any notice of him and his insanity.
@@IMBREISGAU his article actually makes sense unlike these shills on youtube.
Appreciate the work you do Nico. Countering misinformation is something that is extremely important in the Linux community especially right now. We need more people like you in the open source community
beautiful overlay for the visuals nicco!! thanks for debunking this lundookie of an article
Do you mind creating a video about small tips and tricks in KDe Plasma? Like, for example super key + W, integrated zoom, modifying the window menu and adding buttons, etc? I would really like to see these small things that make the experience with Kde Plasma even more enjoyable. Using different key combinations makes me feel like a power user, yet I have so much to learn 😅
Thank you!
Yeah, Lunduke has lost his mind. Man's been trying to be a new drama grifter and it's disheartening to see. Or he's going for a method acting comedy routine? He was pretty funny once.
His article makes sense unlike this guy.
@@danp2306 Not really, no. But you're still welcome to your feelings based reality. Nicco does a pretty good job here explaining the straws Lunduke is grasping at and why they're not worth jack diddly. I figure Lundke is just playing the Neo Con culture warrior shtick to get some shekles from the same bozo crowd as the MAGA lot.
Thanks for the update. Glad I'm still a supporter 😎
we'll see in a couple of years
Hey there, I've got a question. I've switched from dwm to plasma 6 and I have this problem with firefox. I'm on wayland and somehow when I'm using firefox, the minimize/maximize buttons are missing... since you're a kde master, is there any way to fix it other than enabling the default title bar..?
Just had a brainfart on how to enhance the usability of KDE. Is there a Discord or people to contact about it?
There should be a way to sue someone like that for journalistic Malpractice with the intent of actively slandering and knowingly spreading misinformation. The Point of View in this article suggests this person did such a bad job at journalism, genuine incompetence cant really explain it any more.
Your instinct is absolutely correct, the person who wrote this fucking exhibit a of journalistic malpractice, london, has not been actually attempting to do real genuine journalism in a very long time. He's spent the vast majority of his time for the last however many years waging a single person culture war against everything in sight, it is really quite unfortunate. If you're interested, there's actually a whole hour and something long video essay about the issues with lunduke somewhere here on UA-cam.
Cyber libel law is the magic word to get people like that in jail for misinformation.
The only difference between a for and non profit is pulling cash out. There is no excuse for a non profit not to be run in a way that makes it "profitable" from the perspective of the org itself and its goals. There's nothing preventing non profits from accruing money and reserves. See things like hospitals in the USA that avoid taxes but slowly gobble up entire towns as the economy declines
This.
I don't understand why people keep repeating the myth that non-profits must burn their income, or even make a deficit when they receive big donations.
The biggest non profits have millions of €/$ in reserve.
lol "Some Random Guy"
We can hope? so it can stop f ing wayland and get it done this lifetime?
Your English is 1000 times better then mine.. but get some quality sleep or calm down you seem bit tense today so words excape you. Damn I do not know you yet im a bit worried.
BTW I swiched from VM menagers to kde 6. It is little heavier then im expect it to be yet its crazy good
Do you mean WMs (window managers), which is every window manager ever (KWin on KDE) or something else?
@@stefanalecu9532 Mate sorry my english sucks a big time at this one. I meant WM's like lightweight window managers such as fluxbox openbox and so on. I3 wos bit to wierd for me for that matter but ratpoison seems ok. The heviest Environment i used ever was XFCE DE. KDE Is a totaly diffrent beast a bit owerwhelming yet fun and entertaining to use.
Once again sorry for the crappy english
Good video, nonsense like that must be challenged and you seem to know what you are talking about. The only thing I would suggest is doing another take if you completely mess up a sentence. I also liked that you show your sources. Could you also link them in the description? I would like to read some of them myself.
I will try to list all the sources from now on, but I'm afraid that the zero editing is on purpose due to me having no time to edit these!
I think the whole problem could be solved by the "Not for Profit" concept being ditched for a "Temporary Profit" concept. In the former the equation is "balance = target". In both the goal is to spend everything that receive, however in the latta the goal is only spend on what you can afford. This means it's okay for the balance to be slightly over so long as every expenditure or group of expenditures takes as much of the balance as possible. So for example if the balance is 100k then could hire 50 devs for a year at 20k each (in the the uk this is plenty to live by oneself as I live on less than that being stuck on benefits).
This is not possible because of: taxes. Non profit organizations are tax exempt in most countries and certainly in the US when they are charitable. You can't switch just the status as you like. If you're making profit you have to pay taxes on it and many other things as it's normal for a company ... but not a foundation.
@@EarlOfBurl Hmm, perhaps they could try getting a new tax branch introduced then? Something like only the remaining balance at the end of the financial year gets taxed or something and at reduced rate because of the seek 0 target?
@@zxuiji Changing the tax law? Have fun doing that. No easy task.
I'm sure that the Gnome foundation will again secure the needed finances to continue, largely due to major tech players. That being said, they should focus on putting ever dollar where it counts most and trim out any unnecessary stuff. Unfortunately, non-profits have to operate more efficiently than you average for-profit firm. Linux people often tend to be altruistic, which is admirable, but we have to understand the basics of business and finances. I think there are undoubtedly creative ways for the foundation to cut costs without sacrificing their progress. This is coming from the one guy who did his MBA on a Linux laptop. I was the only one (shocker, right?)
I haven't went through their spending reports in depth, only skimmed, but I don't see where exactly they're being inefficient.
Holly Million is going to bring us millions. No? 😅
These shill youtubers ignoring she's a con artist at best is disgraceful. They deserve to go broke, too.
where have you disappeared?
Thanks Nicco for bringing some sense in this weird situation. I work in a non-profit, I'm a director for 3 others and this situation is absolutely normal. This is partly why we need diversity in the Linux world; diversity in identities yes, but also from backgrounds, jobs, occupations, etc. It's tiring to see geeks (myself included) who know a lot about technology think they understand what it means to run a non-profit organization. Managing finances, implementing EDI in an organization (since it is also part of the "problem" from what I read) and running a Linux machine are completely different skillsets.
KDE needs to focus on fixing bugs. Its so annoying that some have gone on for years. Plasma 6 just isn't stable enough for daily use.
Agreed. However Gnome is also not without its bugs, there is a current one for example where if you right click on a media file and try to get it's properties it will crash Nautilus. Affects version 3.46 of Gnome. In my opinion neither KDE nor Gnome have ever recovered from where they were in the late zeros, circa 2007.
It is a total conspiracy theory and speculation, but with the upcoming "death" of Windows 10 and the stuffing of Windows 11 with a crap-ton of bloated AI features no one asked for (to justify deep spying for profit), we may see more "smear" campaigns like this to try and steer away anyone curious about coming over to Linux.
It also strikes me an interesting coincidence that a major security vulnerability is found in Linux on the precipice of Win 10 going EOL. "See, Linux isn't all it's promised to be. You should stick with Windows and remain secure."
There are some who may be have a vested interest in securing the market share and keeping everyone on the Windows platform. Spreading scare propaganda and disinformation is a tactic which might be used to do this. This is all purely speculative and coincidental. I just find it very curious.
While being at least a bit true, this is parallel to the current subject of the video
can you maybe explain why gnome and kde need these foundations? for me thats exactly the reason i stopped using kde or gnome because in my option they got too corporateish. why does the gnome foundation need 4 marketing people? what does these people even do? do they get paid by the money people give them?
why is it that xfce, mate or cinnamon does not need big foundations with marketing people and kde and gnome needs them?
imo kde and gnome stopped being real open source once they went down that foundation route. nobody can explain to me why an open source project needs marketing people who are not cheap i imagine.
Because they are big projects with contributors on the payroll and as such you need a legal entity to represent you for... legal and fiscal reasons. They have companies the likes of System76, Google, RedHat et al. donating to KDE and GNOME, and as such it would be really risky from a legal standpoint to give the money to one person, so you get funds through a foundation and then distribute the money from there. XFCE etc. don't need those because they don't care at all about all the other things these foundations are doing, such as events, publicity, actually having contributors doing this full time etc. (and they're also smaller in scope and manpower). It isn't some ploy to make open source more corporate, but the reality of being a big project who needs funding.
i get why the linux foundation exists. why they have to side with corporations but i dont get why gnome or kde have to do that. gnome or kde in my opinion are perfect today. they could extend their release window and just make a few minor changes to their programs.
i dont think that that much paid programmers are needed, its just that kde and gnome want to release faster and they want to make more projects. also all the events could be virtual. would cost much less money.
in my opinion that is too corporateish. kde or gnome should step a few steps back and go a little bit to their roots. longer releasecycles and less overhead with that many programmers and all the foundation things.
thats the reason i use cinnamon. they dont release every year because they have massive money and big corporations backing them. dont get me wrong. kde and gnome did a good job but the whole foundation thing is getting a little bit too big for my taste
@@stefanalecu9532 set your youtube to newest first to read my answer. yt swallowed it again.
lol same guy said that dos 4 released under MIT license was not able to compile. A few days later someone showed how they compiled it. Its a shame someone can be so uninformed and yet still insists on their narrative.
I see what you're doing, but bubbulah: you've got to commit. If you're going to do the talking head bit, with some spicy takes, best try to start scripting and going into that whole persona bit. Eventually, it's just notes for you to bounce off of, but you kind of have to find your gift of gab, the flow of information, something a'la Last Week Tonight, or even Level1Techs. Off the cuff? Indeed, but also, well phrased, poignant and clear. I see where you're going though and I'm all for it :) just next time, try to have some keywords, dates and definitions ready for a better flow. This also builds confidence and helps to bring out the best in you :) Best wishes.
What do you mean? This whole video was scripted, from start to finish...
@@niccoloveslinuxI think they mean you should edit your videos so that you don't have these stutters and whatnot, have a more polished video. Of course, as you said in another comment, you don't have time for editing, so it is what it is doing this on a livestream.
I find confusing that in the beginning you put yourself in clear opposition to the Lunduke's article and then throughout the video you basically confirm every of its claim, sometimes adding some additional details here and there. The only real difference I can see is that you take Gnome Foundation's claim that they "will be launching a variety of fundraising" as enough to be optimistic about the whole thing while Lunduke is more like "nothing's been done yet, so I'm skeptical"
Anyway the point is the more people will be aware of the funding issue the easier it will be for them to get back on track, so I'm glad this topic gets more coverage
Because the whole premise is wrong.
The author states that gnome is losing money because they hired Holly and she cannot manage it, when gnome is actually a non-profit and also has savings.
@@edgars9581 No. The author states that gnome is losing money and its saving are depleting, while Holly doesn't seem to do anything to change the situation
the difference is lunduke seems to think that this is the first time this has happened, when it had basically always happened, and they always bounce back from actually dipping their minimum reserves. It was also not unique to GNOME, it was also how KDE runs things.
@@rigen97 A quote from the article "But this isn't the first time they've had money trouble. Back in 2014 (10 years ago), there were serious concerns about the financials of the GNOME Foundation."
So no, he does acknowledge it's not the first time.
@@edgars9581 He never disputed that the Gnome Foundation is non-profit and doesn't have savings. He illustrated how they're not getting out of their situation of a continuous trend of excessive deficits. That their focus is increasingly on politics. It was pretty clear and these youtubers are just shills.
by one hand, lunduke is many times untrusted with far right acts (ex. vacines, capitol etc), by other hand... the professional shaman thing was indeed quite weird. Everybody have religous liberties, and she tried to delete this things from her past. So the lady has a lot of eyes on her decisions in gnome foundation, and since they have diversity promoting actions, its natural of him to try analyze it
The thing is that he really dig deep into this "shaman" thing whilst completely disregarding her past work experience. Clearly she's been hired not because of doing this "shaman" stuff on the side, but rather because of her long work experience as founder and executive director of non-profit organizations. I can understand the decision to remove those pages to avoid to bring up drama, though it probably had the opposite effect.
Tried to delete it from her past by having it in the very first sentence of her bio on every social media account? You're right, that is very weird.
First of all, no I didn't, the second one still exists, it's only ArtistsUnited that stopped operating. We also don't know why they stopped operating, nor whether she was still Executive Director when they did. On top of that, she had much more work experience other than just those two!
@@niccoloveslinuxI was replying to the original commenter and their claim that Holly was trying to hide something - I should have made that clearer!
@@jwmcq These youtuber shills are not only liars but they're very deceptive with their bias.
your thumbnail... please don't answer questions with insecure questions like "no?". if you want to answer with a question, do it like the jews, with assertion.
"are you going to run out of money within a year?"
- "what business is that of yours?"
- "why are you interested in my finances?"
- "who told you that?"
- "are you my accountant now?"
or just answer the question!
- not likely
all of those options are 100 times better than "no?". don't be a spineless worm. thank you!
Hold up, what do you mean by "doing it like the Jews"? Why specifically them? Are you trying to imply something?
Anti semitism is getting popular @@stefanalecu9532
Are you In 1940s germany?
In my opinion (i didnt get deep in that)
Gnome became worse - people dont want supporting it.
Because, when i saw that for some reason themes dont work on gnome apps that was... Really bad. i used gradience but it didnt changed the other pieces of app (like only menu was themed, for example when settings opened, i had only categories (keyboard, etc) themed) [bad theming problem/or unintuitive theming]
Another reason: probably they are going down because they dont support their project as much as needed (my opinion)
Also, gnome feels slow for me, more consuming and etc. [optimisations, some features like tiling and etc]
also here a chance that someone gets money off from project, but chances are low.
So, let me summarize my comment:
Gnome became worse = less money.
If
Gnome become better = more money.
its simple. And i waiting for gnome tiling, normal theming (like kde have, i really like kde for that), more optimised. In my opinion: current gnome could be better if they want.
P.S: its my opinion, or my nonsense, i can be wrong, if you can correct me, just reply.
GNOME is really good tbh. It's the best looking DE by default, and it is very modern and is one of the main Wayland proponents (alongside KDE qnd WLRoots).
@@softwarelivre2389 Yup gnome looks very aesthetic and modern and the only issue is that extensions break and that is not gnome's fault. Those are made by developers in their free time. If gnome had a specific team for maintainance of extensions then it would not have been a problem.
@@fastbackshotsI think the community should take that responsibility instead. Or perhaps the extension creator could incorporate the extension into Gnome Proper?
I think the amount of fundrasing money of a project is not just dependent of the quality of the project (Thunderbird)
@@fastbackshots I agree with everything you said, except the redirection of blame for extensions breaking. No that absolutely is Gnome's fault. They never bothered creating a stable API for extensions and keep throwing their current APIs for them in the trash with every new version. It's stupid and it needs some serious work to get that into a well defined and workable state.