I feel so bad for Sparg0 man. The pressure getting him once again; at least the seasons are split so he as a chance for number 1 in the second half of the year. Congrats to Miya for making quite the comeback after a shaky start to his year and shoutouts to the GOAT Zackray
Sparg0 is far too aggressive with Cloud. American playstyles are by far too aggressive, with the best exception being Tweek. Depending on overwhelming your opponent with options only works against Japanese players if you are aggressive like Kola, who has the best aggression game in Ultimate.
Genuinely, I don't want to hear from Light (or Cosmos on Light's behalf) about Japan again until we see flights booked and tournaments registered for. And when that happens I need him to know that I will not be praying for his downfall out of malice or ill will, but simply because it would be the funniest shit I can imagine at this point.
@@G.dot_ If it leads to dodging locals and practise in general because «they are worse» and «that character is too mid for it to be worth training against» it becomes one, yeah
@@owenicewater9704 I personally feel that there are lots of other factors that led to this that can come into play before "JP are more complete people"
I think a majority of US players, especially players who peak at like Regional level, tend to think they are way better than they actually are and stop learning at a certain point
October 2023: Miya wins Kagaribi 11. States that he practiced by grinding Smashmate and told everyone to hop on. 6 months later: Miya wins Kagaribi 12. Brags that before the tournament, that he hit 2600 ELO on Smashmate, saying that if you grind on there, you can win Kagaribi. NA could really use an active online ladder...
@@sinfinite7516 Nah. All you need is a bunch of people active on a ladder. That will be enough to draw in some top/high level talent. Just having the opportunity to queue up against an opponent and quickly play a set is invaluable practice at any skill level. More people on the ladder overall means top players have a much higher chance to hop on
True, but NA’s mid level talent is far worse than that of Japan, so it will help, but it will still be a less affective measure of practice. Not to mention, the U.S is one big country, while Japan is a small island, so not only will it be a problem getting top players off all 50 states to play the ladder, but there will also be connection issues.
I hope Cosmos is right about Light being the defender of NA, but I have a sneaking suspicion they’re going to go there and get 97th in the name of karma 😭
Tbh they used to call light the Japan slayer cuz he'd always body em when they'd come to na. But he only bodies the TOP ones doe. Bro could play a random duck hunt and lose in Japan lmao
1:05:48 I remember Glutonny in a video on his channel talking about how it's more important to know you played well than to have a specific result. A lot of things about tournaments are beyond your control, but if you play at your best and then reflect on what you could have done better after it's done, you're more likely to improve.
Sonix's insight on Sparg0 was exactly how I felt about him. It does feel like when he priorities winning and being #1 over being the best player he can be, he falters. Also, even when Sparg0 beat Tweek at Mainstage 2022, it felt like Cloud had so much trouble closing out stocks while also being gimpable. Japan as a region also feels like a giant match up exam which basically caught Sparg0 off guard the whole Golden week and his mentality on win or lose was hurting him more than helping him. When ZeRo was #1 in Smash 4, he used his resources to scout out players for match up experience just so that he was always prepared for any character he might go up against in bracket. With Sparg0, it just feels like he focuses more on improving his base game plan and he can be stubborn to a fault about it and then try to apply that to every match up he plays. I'm curious as to whether or not Sparg0 needs to improve his general gameplan and/or take some time to learn how to adapt to new match ups. Game knowledge even for the best players is sometimes more important than the perceived skill level and it shouldn't always be about performing your best in every single difficult situation you come across.
I know the coach Ramses has mentioned this, JP players have way better gameplans and implement them far better than NA players He’s mentioned how top NA players come to him for help asking “how do I punish this players habit?” rather than asking “player X uses Y to beat me here, how does Y beat me, and what can I do to counter it?” Like a failure to see the forest for the trees moment
@@HenryZhoupokemon NA mentality in general for sure focuses on player match ups more than character match ups and other general game plans. Hell Melee in NA has that in spades. Light's recent record on Sparg0 does reflect this. As for Melee, I'd say Mang0 is the best example of player match up over character whereas Cody is the example of solid game plans working on any match up he plays.
@@HenryZhoupokemon To be fair, you need to beat both the player and the character if you want to make it up in rankings. You can't go pure on either pure adaptation or pure gameplan
Actually, it turns out that every single international player got a delayed flight and couldn’t show up to the events. Don’t know who were playing there but it absolutely, most definitely, wasn’t the international players
Japan most likely also had these kind of discussions in the multiple seasons following the covid restrictions and when international sets resumed. Japan was constantly getting outplayed by NA with the peak being where Spargo made Acola look lost as he went through his dlc pack 2 characters. NA needed this wake-up call.
Dude Sonix is so chill, such a cool guy. Really like him as a person as he’s gotten more screentime on podcasts like yours and stuff lately!! Awesome to get to know the player behind the blue blur lol
Light doesn’t just struggle with Shuton lol. We all forgetting how Acola is like 4-1 on him? While I wouldn’t call Light a Japan slayer, he doesn’t do bad against them, by any stretch of the imagination. I’d say he goes back and forth more than anything
I think if Light were to go to Japan, he’d either lose to his -2 MU’s in losers or Acola, Miya or Carmelo honestly. I think he’d be pretty unshaken by the rest of Japan
Light is one of the people that will figure out a gimmick and adapt within a set and download to W, I don’t think he’ll get destroyed. He’s not a top 10 player for no reason
Man, for how long will Light milk that Grand Final he got over Miya, who picked GnW only once in 8 games? Man acts like he's the Japan slayer when he's still down in sets against Shuton, Acola, Miya himself, has one 3-2 set against Hurt, is 3-3 with Tea having lost the most recent set and is 1-1 with KEN having lost the most recent set. Cosmos feeds this narrative he made for himself instead of waking up his homie! You have to back up those words with actual results dude. You got your own life to figure out, the house, whatever you need, sure, take your time, but you can't keep talking like this with such weak grounds to stand on, go out there and actually make it real.
I haven't heard anyone comment about how Japan plays more Bo3s, and top North Americans usually prepare for more Bo5s. I think this makes reads/mix-up ability less important to set outcomes, and match-up knowledge more important.
Yall need to stop disrespecting Maister and acknowledge him. When LG signed Leo and Tweek yall clowned him. Yet Maister outplaced them MULTIPLE TIMES. He outplaces Leo and Spargo at a P tier yall barely talk about it. Hell when he was on stream EE wouldn't even watch his sets until all the other sets were done. Yall disrespect asf.
To play devil's advocate to Light's point, it's not like TG and Lv.1 aren't still frying top Japanese players who have the match up experience too. They're just good, even if you play TG every week he can still cook you lol. That's part of argument people are missing. Even for example Leo losing to yamanaction. That's a player that's beaten shuton and asimo, so losing to his steve isn't even that crazy. The people NA lost to weren't some nobodies.
I honestly think the whole thing is blown over proportion because people are still highly overestimating the consistency of Smash Bros Ultimate and aren’t familiar with how ridiculously inconsistent smash tourneys are in Japan. Top players there like Kome get janked all of the time.
In terms of what is holding back US players, I believe it’s comfort. they are so comfortable fighting against top tier characters played by top tier players that they’re not ready for, arguably in Japan, high/top tier players, playing mid or high or low tier characters, they’re not familiar with those matchups, but the players from Japan know everything about the top tiers from the US because Japan has some of the same characters in their meta over there. In tandem with what light said the US players, or even just NA players need to be going to more locals, or at least playing against people who use different characters more often, so that they can familiarize themselves with those types of characters, in the grand scheme of who they’ll be fighting internationally.
The last NA tournament that JP didn't do well in was heavily affected by friendly fire, with JP players knocking each other out left and right. We got lucky when we invaded JP, but even without friendly fire, we still couldn't top 8. We need to accept that they're currently better than we are, so we can get as fired up as Cosmos. Now that everybody here is finally on the same page, and can see that JP is better than NA, it's time to grind like crazy and give them a taste of their own medicine. We send SHADIC, Sonix, Sparg0, Light, Kola, Raflow, ShinyMark, Riddles, and everybody else who can be pursuaded to go. We aim for a stronger showing than Golden Week 2023, with the goal being to win every tournament around the holiday. Also, why the Maister disrespect? He made it further in bracket because he's even-keeled and reliable. His peaks aren't the highest, but he delivers when it counts.
I’ll be honest, I think that the US smash scene has just been super doomer for like a year and it accounts for most of the fall-off. The Japan smash scene is still super passionate to improve and go to every tournament while most US players have been pining for Smash 6. If you look at the people who are passionate to improve in the US, those are the people who didn’t fall off as much (or went way up like Shadic).
"most of the invaders were Mexican..." Okay then, Leo and Spargo aren't winning everything anymore, so PLEASE start doing USA vs the World crews like Melee at events like Formerly-Known -As-Smashcon, see how that works out for ya
This episode was full of copium and I am all in for it. Such a fun episode, definitely one of the best ones. Also guests were really enjoyable to listen with their thoughts. No matter how it ends, I need the NAvengers storyline. Keep it up EE!
Some players give way too much of a shit about rankings and point values. There is very little difference between an event that is close to being enough points for a major and an event that is barely a major, there's not much that happens as a result. Light's Lvl Up Expo win is still better than say, Gluto's UltCore, because even though the latter is a major, Light acquired several very good wins that will help him far more in the rankings than Gluto did. The players that you beat and the players that you lose to are still the most important part.
you know I can see why Sonix is so good and consistent the way he talks about the way and how he prepares.. insane! I can see him being the next Leo lowkey
Great points by Sonix. He seems to have his head in the right place. Forget your pride and think about what you actually can do something about - your preparation and gameplay.
MKLeo is my goat. Forever and ever. And there is nothing in this world that will make me think otherwise. I will always, and I mean ALWAYS root for him over any other player.
The issue isnt that NA cant beat the Japanese players ... Sparg0 would still be favored vs Miya and Acola for example. The issue is that in Japan ... newrly 95% of all their top players show up to their P tiers while in USa .. how often do we have a tournament where 95% of NA or even USAs best all in the same tournament ... almost never. Even "teammates" Leo and Tweek are rarely at the same tournament. In Japan ... even pools has players that can match u skill for skill or gimmick you. Threats all tournament long. Not just top 32.
EE I been asking you to share things you’re chatting about on the screen, you did that, thanks man! Void is dope. Man is smart, high self awareness, loved hearing him.
Sonix is right, it comes down to the culture. NA mentality and ethic sucks. If we didn't have genetics on our side we'd probably get smoked in basketball in the olympics
also even though i'm a spectator i also agree that rankings discourse is wack, who cares what the numbers from ppl who don't probably even understand the game say. you definitely shouldnt care enough so that it's why you're competing.
I think what NA needs to do is to acknowledge Japan is better, when Miya and Acola first got their success, people said "That doesn't mean anything, they can win in Japan only, they will get destroyed in NA". And guess what? Japanese tournaments are not easy to win at all, it's even harder than NA tournaments, you can tell that by looking at Protobanham in 2022, he beat almost all NA top players, and yet he couldn't win consistently in Japan, Acola, and Miya are skillful, yet people said they are carried, the whole steve ban thing is a joke to show many people in NA doesn't want to deal with something they are not good at. What a true American should do is acknowledge someone is better than us and improve. Then you can talk your shit, not by being a crybaby and complaining. Sparg0 did not underperform, he did great, it's just the Japanese scene is too competitive to be consistent.
@@EEvisu I think you would be impressed by how Japanese smash players play when you go to Japan. They are on a different level, and you will find your opinion on them would end like how you beef with Ken in the past
EE, you rule, dude. Goated commentator, no contest. Perfect balance of irreverent and kind hearted, and genuinely funny enough to make me actually laugh. You made my day. Keep on keepin on.
After outside players were all eliminated I was rooting for the goat zackray. 4th is good. But man... leo going out the way he did made me sad. He could have gone the distance.
id guess sonix would have an easier time with matchups in japan rather than light big d tweeted a group photo of like 15+ icies in japan so that sounds like a nightmare
The reason why I think Ego plays a huge part in this because we still have players like Tweek, who are the image and at the forefront of smash as an NA community losing at an online tourney and saying stuff like "well, its online, it doesn't count" And I get that online and offline is a lot different, but most of the japanese players who are wrecking havoc in the smash WORLD right now are wifi warriors or at least started as such, Miya often talks about Smashmate for example, and while I know wifi isnt as good outside japan because how good their internet is and how compact the country is compared to NA for example, you still cannot simply say shit like "oh well, its not the way I prefer to play it so it doesn't count" thats bs. I'm a nobody, I dont compete at that level but even I who hates wifi matches as much as most NA and doesnt play a Wifi friendly character, try my god damn best online and get shit on often, but I always see improvement when I try shit for a week and go to a local afterwards. Practice is practice, game is game and, knocking down those who grind like crazy online is why offline only players are falling behind.
Honestly for this whole NA vs Japan thing, a big factor is the lack of NA Majors/Supermajors due to various factors. Like post the whole Panda/Allan thing, NA lost Pound(one of the biggest events along with SSC and Genesis), Mainstage, Shine, Glitch, etc. Hurt the finnaces, drive, and pratice for NA. Really not sure if ego/lack of passion/or negativty surronding the game explains NA vs Japan. Back in Smash 4, Zero was pretty public about his distaste for the game and preferred Brawl, still the best player of it. Also goes without saying, the best players of any sport or competition also likely have egos lol.
Even when we had those events Japan still whooped our ass. Japan has only collectively choked at 2 events since post quarantine. Which is Mainstage 2022 and Tera.
Reason why Japan has more major is because they create value through regional event and farming event in N. So only way to create major in NA more is need to dominant and more players attend for any events.
@@fupalover Nah. Japan won during the period when Ultimate effectively died and lost its place as a respectable fighting game. The Leo and Steve set alone is completely destroying smash for so many people. This game is losing the hype of its early years simply because the design is actually awful.
Really nice discussion. EE is hilarious 😭 The worldwide rivalry that's been brewing is so sick to see. Japan on top for now, EU improving a lot, NA getting a much-needed fire lit under they azzes. Let's get ittt
Honestly the Japan solidarity is probely the reason that Japan losses to acola because acola is that type of player when he knows you and your habits you just explode similar to fighting light so the friendship between those Japanese players is a strength and weakness. The strength side is that it helps those people build friendships and gives them a fair chance to defeat Miya and acola the problem is they are so good to Japan except for maybe hurt that they will use their knowledge to destroy those players before they destroy them. The hallmark of a top player is that you just win even when people know how to fight you. The human component is a big reason why acola and Miya are determined to be at the top of the Japan mountain.
Everytime Mexican was behalf of NA, they were proud how NA is good. But how American is not attending is enough is really funny tho lol even Mexico sweep NA and really cannot wait light come to japan.
Good episode! The cycling guests were managed better than I'd have thought! Topics tend to pass week to week/month to month, so it was cool getting a few minutes to hear from few different guests (considering Light a guest in this specific case). No-one overstayed. Everyone said their piece and changed up the dynamic of the cast a bit. It wasn't a big debate with a bunch of guys where someone's voice is inevitably left out. It was sequential Cosmos/EE interviews with some big names in the scene. I don't necessarily think it's maintainable or always justified, but I would like to say it was executed well and I thought it was unique. Good job, guys!
Light just gotta pray he doesn't run into one of the Japanese Ice Climber players in the early rounds if he goes to Japan. Then he can make a deep run.
Japan humility is an act for example did you see Miya twirl his controller like he was gonna sweep hurt or when acola pops off when he gets a cheap kill. oh please that humility act is not fooling me as a true competitor even though I’m not on their level there is stages to pride it starts with them challenging you to friendlies destroying you than they get pushed to the brink and win at the absolute last moment and than they pop off or they style on someone before they face them like Miya. Humility is a way to mask their confidence so they can beat you easier and hide the fact they are sandbagging you. It’s easy to be humble when you kick someone’s butt but when you’re on the opposite side you start to feel yourself when you win one game which is why reverse 3-0s happen.
The thing is aegis is even more susceptible to cheese. Like I dont even want to imagine how badly Lv1 and Toriguri would have farmed that aegis. Not to mention Noi who is great at edge guarding with PT
I blame Light, If Light had been there, we would have had someone in Top 8 at least but he's on his "I want to be best in America first" head-ass.. NO mf shoot for best in the world... This is 'Murica we are number 1
My lineup for the next NA trip: Light, Shadic, Sonix, Tweek, Cosmos, Tilde, Skyjay, and Kola. That would be super sick to see. Shit throw in Bloom, Raflow, and Glutto again.
I feel so bad for Sparg0 man. The pressure getting him once again; at least the seasons are split so he as a chance for number 1 in the second half of the year. Congrats to Miya for making quite the comeback after a shaky start to his year and shoutouts to the GOAT Zackray
Just shows the spot isn't for him. Yall put him on this pedestal for #1. It was Leo for years now its been Acola for a lil over a year.
@@fupalover it's only a matter of time I believe in Spargoat
@@MasterAbeer101Copium
Sparg0 is far too aggressive with Cloud. American playstyles are by far too aggressive, with the best exception being Tweek. Depending on overwhelming your opponent with options only works against Japanese players if you are aggressive like Kola, who has the best aggression game in Ultimate.
Idk how there can be pressure when it was already CONFIRMED a month ago or more that he ain't getting first this season. Acola is way too consistent.
Genuinely, I don't want to hear from Light (or Cosmos on Light's behalf) about Japan again until we see flights booked and tournaments registered for. And when that happens I need him to know that I will not be praying for his downfall out of malice or ill will, but simply because it would be the funniest shit I can imagine at this point.
Lmao
He is gonna drown in pools cause luigi, climbers, doghunts & the banjo..
the sad thing is your right 😭
This right here
The glazing was crazy this episode 😂 but yeah all that talk means nothing, we need to see it
NA has a big ego problem I feel. Dabuz while not mentioning that specifically made a great video about NA mentality recently
Is it a problem if it fires up that competitive spirit?
Well clearly it’s leading to us getting so farmed so yeah
@@G.dot_ If it leads to dodging locals and practise in general because «they are worse» and «that character is too mid for it to be worth training against» it becomes one, yeah
@@owenicewater9704 I personally feel that there are lots of other factors that led to this that can come into play before "JP are more complete people"
I think a majority of US players, especially players who peak at like Regional level, tend to think they are way better than they actually are and stop learning at a certain point
It's obvious that Sonix put a lot of thought into what he was going to say in this podcast. He expressed it clearly and concisely, I liked it.
Between him and Mena I can't tell if Bandits PR trained their players or they're just good at communicating in DR LOL
EE's facial and physical reactions when Cosmos said "Fuck Leo! Fuck Sparg0!" were hysterical!
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And yet Cosmos will never be able to beat them in tourney
October 2023: Miya wins Kagaribi 11. States that he practiced by grinding Smashmate and told everyone to hop on.
6 months later: Miya wins Kagaribi 12. Brags that before the tournament, that he hit 2600 ELO on Smashmate, saying that if you grind on there, you can win Kagaribi.
NA could really use an active online ladder...
I mean thats up to the top players…
@@sinfinite7516 Nah. All you need is a bunch of people active on a ladder. That will be enough to draw in some top/high level talent. Just having the opportunity to queue up against an opponent and quickly play a set is invaluable practice at any skill level. More people on the ladder overall means top players have a much higher chance to hop on
True, but NA’s mid level talent is far worse than that of Japan, so it will help, but it will still be a less affective measure of practice. Not to mention, the U.S is one big country, while Japan is a small island, so not only will it be a problem getting top players off all 50 states to play the ladder, but there will also be connection issues.
@@ZizouEnjoyer225 only way to get better is practice
@@ZizouEnjoyer225 I’d still rather have that over playing Elite Smash tbh
I hope Cosmos is right about Light being the defender of NA, but I have a sneaking suspicion they’re going to go there and get 97th in the name of karma 😭
Never…!
Depends on how many icies and luigis they send at him
Tbh they used to call light the Japan slayer cuz he'd always body em when they'd come to na. But he only bodies the TOP ones doe. Bro could play a random duck hunt and lose in Japan lmao
1:05:48 I remember Glutonny in a video on his channel talking about how it's more important to know you played well than to have a specific result. A lot of things about tournaments are beyond your control, but if you play at your best and then reflect on what you could have done better after it's done, you're more likely to improve.
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Smart way to approach things
This corralates to life in general 🧐
“We can anything on this podcast, NARIO” is absolutely wild bro 😭😭😭
The energy of the podcast always brings out a lot of good in the guests. Sonix sounded like he was ready to be one of the Sons of the Smash Patriots
Sonix's insight on Sparg0 was exactly how I felt about him. It does feel like when he priorities winning and being #1 over being the best player he can be, he falters. Also, even when Sparg0 beat Tweek at Mainstage 2022, it felt like Cloud had so much trouble closing out stocks while also being gimpable. Japan as a region also feels like a giant match up exam which basically caught Sparg0 off guard the whole Golden week and his mentality on win or lose was hurting him more than helping him. When ZeRo was #1 in Smash 4, he used his resources to scout out players for match up experience just so that he was always prepared for any character he might go up against in bracket. With Sparg0, it just feels like he focuses more on improving his base game plan and he can be stubborn to a fault about it and then try to apply that to every match up he plays. I'm curious as to whether or not Sparg0 needs to improve his general gameplan and/or take some time to learn how to adapt to new match ups. Game knowledge even for the best players is sometimes more important than the perceived skill level and it shouldn't always be about performing your best in every single difficult situation you come across.
I know the coach Ramses has mentioned this, JP players have way better gameplans and implement them far better than NA players
He’s mentioned how top NA players come to him for help asking “how do I punish this players habit?” rather than asking “player X uses Y to beat me here, how does Y beat me, and what can I do to counter it?”
Like a failure to see the forest for the trees moment
He’s so smart
@@HenryZhoupokemon NA mentality in general for sure focuses on player match ups more than character match ups and other general game plans. Hell Melee in NA has that in spades. Light's recent record on Sparg0 does reflect this. As for Melee, I'd say Mang0 is the best example of player match up over character whereas Cody is the example of solid game plans working on any match up he plays.
Sparg0 was at his best at WTT. You could see on the player cam that he was having fun playing with no pressure
@@HenryZhoupokemon To be fair, you need to beat both the player and the character if you want to make it up in rankings. You can't go pure on either pure adaptation or pure gameplan
15:21 It wasn't just TamaP, it was a bunch of upsets that made several players increase in value very suddenly.
So so fraudulent
Actually, it turns out that every single international player got a delayed flight and couldn’t show up to the events. Don’t know who were playing there but it absolutely, most definitely, wasn’t the international players
Damn, that’s a huge unsung piece of context
Japan most likely also had these kind of discussions in the multiple seasons following the covid restrictions and when international sets resumed. Japan was constantly getting outplayed by NA with the peak being where Spargo made Acola look lost as he went through his dlc pack 2 characters. NA needed this wake-up call.
Dude Sonix is so chill, such a cool guy. Really like him as a person as he’s gotten more screentime on podcasts like yours and stuff lately!! Awesome to get to know the player behind the blue blur lol
Whats up Bluehunt??
@@evanhanson6924AYOO HOMIE WHATS GOOD??? 💙💙
Her Rob not His Rob is wild! 😅😂😂😂
LIGHT'S OUT FAITHFUL RISE UP
We believe !!!
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I'll never trust Light on his "I'm better" arguments after his taunt to get bodied against Acola at Gimvitational
lmao
Or when he dismissed Apollokage and then proceeded to get clowned on twice 😭
Light doesn’t just struggle with Shuton lol. We all forgetting how Acola is like 4-1 on him?
While I wouldn’t call Light a Japan slayer, he doesn’t do bad against them, by any stretch of the imagination. I’d say he goes back and forth more than anything
Yee of little faith
@@splaturials9156 A Steve ban is never happening. It’s up to the players to adapt
I think if Light were to go to Japan, he’d either lose to his -2 MU’s in losers or Acola, Miya or Carmelo honestly. I think he’d be pretty unshaken by the rest of Japan
@@mercurysnake274 No. You ban Steve now or this game will be abandoned completely in the next smash.
@@mercurysnake274 I bet you hate that adaptation.
15:42 yeah Miya ain't ever coming back to America 💀💀
This episode was the best one so far man
I like Light as a player, but i can't wait to see him get destroyed by Toriguri
Lmaooooo
Wait I thought they played already
@@kentrelmorrow2429no cosmos did though
Light is one of the people that will figure out a gimmick and adapt within a set and download to W, I don’t think he’ll get destroyed.
He’s not a top 10 player for no reason
@@AndresAndr95 But got destroyed by a random icies
cosmos being the NA op bc he helped skyjay was hilarious
Cosmos glazing Light was craaaaazy
Bro was pulling out all the stops to convince Light to go to Japan lol
Lol
If light practiced like Sonix it’d be game over for everyone
That’s his boy.
Mfs can’t be confident about their friends skill level or it’s glazing 🤦♂️
Immature thought process
doing tricks on it
Sonix really sounds like he’s on the road to being the best of the best with that sharp mindset I believe he can !
Man, for how long will Light milk that Grand Final he got over Miya, who picked GnW only once in 8 games? Man acts like he's the Japan slayer when he's still down in sets against Shuton, Acola, Miya himself, has one 3-2 set against Hurt, is 3-3 with Tea having lost the most recent set and is 1-1 with KEN having lost the most recent set. Cosmos feeds this narrative he made for himself instead of waking up his homie! You have to back up those words with actual results dude. You got your own life to figure out, the house, whatever you need, sure, take your time, but you can't keep talking like this with such weak grounds to stand on, go out there and actually make it real.
You understand nothing!
Light don't even say that. Cosmos is optimistic toward his friend. Those two are mad different
The glaze is crazy
I haven't heard anyone comment about how Japan plays more Bo3s, and top North Americans usually prepare for more Bo5s. I think this makes reads/mix-up ability less important to set outcomes, and match-up knowledge more important.
Yall need to stop disrespecting Maister and acknowledge him. When LG signed Leo and Tweek yall clowned him. Yet Maister outplaced them MULTIPLE TIMES.
He outplaces Leo and Spargo at a P tier yall barely talk about it.
Hell when he was on stream EE wouldn't even watch his sets until all the other sets were done. Yall disrespect asf.
Stan Maister
Even luminosity down plays him in videos. It's so fucked up
Maister defender…. I like it!
@@eiranimate They dont put him in the titles or thumbnails smh
He doesn’t have the highs/accomplishments of any of the players you mentioned, makes it hard to hold him in higher regard than them
@@maxwellromza8390tru plus he still plays gnw
I love Sonix man
He’s an inspiration
EE pulling a korean variety show by repeating the Miya clip 20 times lmaooo
To play devil's advocate to Light's point, it's not like TG and Lv.1 aren't still frying top Japanese players who have the match up experience too. They're just good, even if you play TG every week he can still cook you lol. That's part of argument people are missing. Even for example Leo losing to yamanaction. That's a player that's beaten shuton and asimo, so losing to his steve isn't even that crazy. The people NA lost to weren't some nobodies.
I honestly think the whole thing is blown over proportion because people are still highly overestimating the consistency of Smash Bros Ultimate and aren’t familiar with how ridiculously inconsistent smash tourneys are in Japan. Top players there like Kome get janked all of the time.
@@justice8718 exactly. Top Japanese players get upset literally all the time.
@@ARM3LO Remember that Zelda MKLeo beaten? That’s the same Zelda that knocked Zackray out of bracket.
In terms of what is holding back US players, I believe it’s comfort. they are so comfortable fighting against top tier characters played by top tier players that they’re not ready for, arguably in Japan, high/top tier players, playing mid or high or low tier characters, they’re not familiar with those matchups, but the players from Japan know everything about the top tiers from the US because Japan has some of the same characters in their meta over there. In tandem with what light said the US players, or even just NA players need to be going to more locals, or at least playing against people who use different characters more often, so that they can familiarize themselves with those types of characters, in the grand scheme of who they’ll be fighting internationally.
Love that you also brought Sonix this time, that man was *speaking!*
They need to rename this episode to Sonix Spits, because that was goated
The last NA tournament that JP didn't do well in was heavily affected by friendly fire, with JP players knocking each other out left and right. We got lucky when we invaded JP, but even without friendly fire, we still couldn't top 8. We need to accept that they're currently better than we are, so we can get as fired up as Cosmos.
Now that everybody here is finally on the same page, and can see that JP is better than NA, it's time to grind like crazy and give them a taste of their own medicine. We send SHADIC, Sonix, Sparg0, Light, Kola, Raflow, ShinyMark, Riddles, and everybody else who can be pursuaded to go. We aim for a stronger showing than Golden Week 2023, with the goal being to win every tournament around the holiday.
Also, why the Maister disrespect? He made it further in bracket because he's even-keeled and reliable. His peaks aren't the highest, but he delivers when it counts.
I’ll be honest, I think that the US smash scene has just been super doomer for like a year and it accounts for most of the fall-off. The Japan smash scene is still super passionate to improve and go to every tournament while most US players have been pining for Smash 6. If you look at the people who are passionate to improve in the US, those are the people who didn’t fall off as much (or went way up like Shadic).
Sonix just gained a fan by this interview. He spoke the truth on why Japan is winning.
"most of the invaders were Mexican..."
Okay then, Leo and Spargo aren't winning everything anymore, so PLEASE start doing USA vs the World crews like Melee at events like Formerly-Known -As-Smashcon, see how that works out for ya
it’s crazy how we’re comparing “NA” (several countries) to one small island nation lmao. What works for japan won’t work for the US, let alone NA.
weak mindset!
I blame Nairo
Boy was jinxing every NA player
Imagine still watching him in 2024 L
Lol this is so true!!! Though I feel like I have the same effect on top players unfortunately.
And Gorioka
@@fupalovernothing wrong with watching the biggest smash streamer
@@fupalover Ummm because he is the most succesful smash streamer to this day? little weirdo
Sonix’s segment was absolute gold. Everyone should listen to it. Plus, the advice extends past Smash. Hope to see him more often on the podcast
This episode was full of copium and I am all in for it. Such a fun episode, definitely one of the best ones. Also guests were really enjoyable to listen with their thoughts. No matter how it ends, I need the NAvengers storyline. Keep it up EE!
Light literally beaten Miya and Acola with Fox. He’s more ridiculous than any Fox player in Japan.
Some players give way too much of a shit about rankings and point values. There is very little difference between an event that is close to being enough points for a major and an event that is barely a major, there's not much that happens as a result. Light's Lvl Up Expo win is still better than say, Gluto's UltCore, because even though the latter is a major, Light acquired several very good wins that will help him far more in the rankings than Gluto did. The players that you beat and the players that you lose to are still the most important part.
you know I can see why Sonix is so good and consistent the way he talks about the way and how he prepares.. insane! I can see him being the next Leo lowkey
Great points by Sonix. He seems to have his head in the right place. Forget your pride and think about what you actually can do something about - your preparation and gameplay.
MKLeo is my goat. Forever and ever. And there is nothing in this world that will make me think otherwise. I will always, and I mean ALWAYS root for him over any other player.
I was not ready for 14:06 💀
The issue isnt that NA cant beat the Japanese players ... Sparg0 would still be favored vs Miya and Acola for example.
The issue is that in Japan ... newrly 95% of all their top players show up to their P tiers while in USa .. how often do we have a tournament where 95% of NA or even USAs best all in the same tournament ... almost never.
Even "teammates" Leo and Tweek are rarely at the same tournament.
In Japan ... even pools has players that can match u skill for skill or gimmick you. Threats all tournament long. Not just top 32.
Yall gotta get Light, Shadic and Sonix to Japan for the NA get back
Sonix has a beautiful mind for the game
EE I been asking you to share things you’re chatting about on the screen, you did that, thanks man!
Void is dope. Man is smart, high self awareness, loved hearing him.
Sonix is right, it comes down to the culture. NA mentality and ethic sucks. If we didn't have genetics on our side we'd probably get smoked in basketball in the olympics
also even though i'm a spectator i also agree that rankings discourse is wack, who cares what the numbers from ppl who don't probably even understand the game say. you definitely shouldnt care enough so that it's why you're competing.
The fact that Sparg0 lost to Banjo, Toon Link, and DK this weekend 😭
Crazy great insights from Sonix. Very mature, very true.
Tama P!
- Kendrick Lightmar
I love that whole "Japan has not won an american tournament this year" segment where everyone forgot about Hurt winning BOBC 6
This was one your best episodes to me, very funny but also very insightful, especially with what Sonix had to say
I think what NA needs to do is to acknowledge Japan is better, when Miya and Acola first got their success, people said "That doesn't mean anything, they can win in Japan only, they will get destroyed in NA". And guess what? Japanese tournaments are not easy to win at all, it's even harder than NA tournaments, you can tell that by looking at Protobanham in 2022, he beat almost all NA top players, and yet he couldn't win consistently in Japan, Acola, and Miya are skillful, yet people said they are carried, the whole steve ban thing is a joke to show many people in NA doesn't want to deal with something they are not good at. What a true American should do is acknowledge someone is better than us and improve. Then you can talk your shit, not by being a crybaby and complaining. Sparg0 did not underperform, he did great, it's just the Japanese scene is too competitive to be consistent.
Dag..
@@EEvisu I think you would be impressed by how Japanese smash players play when you go to Japan. They are on a different level, and you will find your opinion on them would end like how you beef with Ken in the past
Could you guys get Goblin on the podcast? He did really well in japan would be great to hear him talk about it and other smash things
Zomba really won a super major in his backyard + it was a fluke and it went right to his head
Lmao
Sonix with that GOAT mentality.
EE, you rule, dude. Goated commentator, no contest. Perfect balance of irreverent and kind hearted, and genuinely funny enough to make me actually laugh. You made my day. Keep on keepin on.
thanks homie, glad you enjoy the content :)
After outside players were all eliminated I was rooting for the goat zackray. 4th is good.
But man... leo going out the way he did made me sad. He could have gone the distance.
Light, Tweek, and Shadic pulling up to Japan together would be hard af. Throw Sonix in there too and we got our Japan raid squad.
Lowkey add Dabuz
Come on bro. We are ready 😉
EE your reactions and screams the moment MKLeo lost to Snow had me on the floor 😂
Light Shuton & Gluto (if you count locals) are the only players to have wins on all 4 horsemen. Leo & Hurt are only 1 horseman away tho
id guess sonix would have an easier time with matchups in japan rather than light
big d tweeted a group photo of like 15+ icies in japan so that sounds like a nightmare
I would have liked see Mkleo on his prime playing in Japan
Light sure talks a lot about Japan for having never been
Even though he has never been to Japan, he knows a lot about it 😂
The reason why I think Ego plays a huge part in this because we still have players like Tweek, who are the image and at the forefront of smash as an NA community losing at an online tourney and saying stuff like "well, its online, it doesn't count"
And I get that online and offline is a lot different, but most of the japanese players who are wrecking havoc in the smash WORLD right now are wifi warriors or at least started as such, Miya often talks about Smashmate for example, and while I know wifi isnt as good outside japan because how good their internet is and how compact the country is compared to NA for example, you still cannot simply say shit like "oh well, its not the way I prefer to play it so it doesn't count" thats bs.
I'm a nobody, I dont compete at that level but even I who hates wifi matches as much as most NA and doesnt play a Wifi friendly character, try my god damn best online and get shit on often, but I always see improvement when I try shit for a week and go to a local afterwards.
Practice is practice, game is game and, knocking down those who grind like crazy online is why offline only players are falling behind.
Honestly for this whole NA vs Japan thing, a big factor is the lack of NA Majors/Supermajors due to various factors. Like post the whole Panda/Allan thing, NA lost Pound(one of the biggest events along with SSC and Genesis), Mainstage, Shine, Glitch, etc. Hurt the finnaces, drive, and pratice for NA.
Really not sure if ego/lack of passion/or negativty surronding the game explains NA vs Japan. Back in Smash 4, Zero was pretty public about his distaste for the game and preferred Brawl, still the best player of it. Also goes without saying, the best players of any sport or competition also likely have egos lol.
Even when we had those events Japan still whooped our ass. Japan has only collectively choked at 2 events since post quarantine. Which is Mainstage 2022 and Tera.
Reason why Japan has more major is because they create value through regional event and farming event in N. So only way to create major in NA more is need to dominant and more players attend for any events.
@@fupalover Nah. Japan won during the period when Ultimate effectively died and lost its place as a respectable fighting game.
The Leo and Steve set alone is completely destroying smash for so many people. This game is losing the hype of its early years simply because the design is actually awful.
@@justice8718 Leo not knowing the MU is ruining smash for people? 🤣
@@fupalover Your pride will destroy you in the end.
Sonix was speaking straight FACTS here
Really nice discussion. EE is hilarious 😭 The worldwide rivalry that's been brewing is so sick to see. Japan on top for now, EU improving a lot, NA getting a much-needed fire lit under they azzes. Let's get ittt
Bruh this a wild ass episode
Best Smash Ulitmate Podcast for sure ❤
Honestly the Japan solidarity is probely the reason that Japan losses to acola because acola is that type of player when he knows you and your habits you just explode similar to fighting light so the friendship between those Japanese players is a strength and weakness. The strength side is that it helps those people build friendships and gives them a fair chance to defeat Miya and acola the problem is they are so good to Japan except for maybe hurt that they will use their knowledge to destroy those players before they destroy them. The hallmark of a top player is that you just win even when people know how to fight you. The human component is a big reason why acola and Miya are determined to be at the top of the Japan mountain.
People aren't gonna like this but Onin is being majorly slept on in the conversation for best in the USA
You my guy but stop it… lmao
Everytime Mexican was behalf of NA, they were proud how NA is good. But how American is not attending is enough is really funny tho lol even Mexico sweep NA and really cannot wait light come to japan.
Cosmos hyped in the beginning. Cosmos, light, and tweek are our only hope
No
Lowkey probably only Sonix and maybe Shadic
Good episode! The cycling guests were managed better than I'd have thought! Topics tend to pass week to week/month to month, so it was cool getting a few minutes to hear from few different guests (considering Light a guest in this specific case). No-one overstayed. Everyone said their piece and changed up the dynamic of the cast a bit. It wasn't a big debate with a bunch of guys where someone's voice is inevitably left out. It was sequential Cosmos/EE interviews with some big names in the scene. I don't necessarily think it's maintainable or always justified, but I would like to say it was executed well and I thought it was unique. Good job, guys!
Light just gotta pray he doesn't run into one of the Japanese Ice Climber players in the early rounds if he goes to Japan. Then he can make a deep run.
so great to see sonix on!
I’m usually late af but this episode was definitely going to be good w them kagaribi results! A banger fosho
sonix such chil dude why he gotta play sonic 💀
You need to be chill to play sonic.
NA got smacked so hard they had to release the episode two days earlier than normal to address it. 💀
Japan humility is an act for example did you see Miya twirl his controller like he was gonna sweep hurt or when acola pops off when he gets a cheap kill. oh please that humility act is not fooling me as a true competitor even though I’m not on their level there is stages to pride it starts with them challenging you to friendlies destroying you than they get pushed to the brink and win at the absolute last moment and than they pop off or they style on someone before they face them like Miya. Humility is a way to mask their confidence so they can beat you easier and hide the fact they are sandbagging you. It’s easy to be humble when you kick someone’s butt but when you’re on the opposite side you start to feel yourself when you win one game which is why reverse 3-0s happen.
Has to be one of my favorite episodes so far. Keep it up my boyzzzz Japan we coming for y’all
Loved the passionate Cosmos rants. Absolutely CANNOT wait for this NA revenge tour
this new ult narrative arc is building. let's keep running with this 🙂↕️ region wars! lets go!!
Sonix out here spitting facts. He’s the most disciplined out of anyone in NA know damn well about what he’s talking about
Light's Japan Arc is a dope idea, goodluck man
Light go to Japan you Jim we need someone to represent America please 😭
Light has already made excuses for if he wins or loses.
Nah he’s too busy trying to find a house while simultaneously gambling to go to Japan and back up his attitude lol
I wish spargo wasn’t so hesitant to use aegis, his cloud is godlike but so is his aegis who does better vs low tiers/weird mus compared to cloud
The thing is aegis is even more susceptible to cheese. Like I dont even want to imagine how badly Lv1 and Toriguri would have farmed that aegis. Not to mention Noi who is great at edge guarding with PT
At this point they just needa do another civil war saga like that zero vs ally one but instead NA vs JP
EE's laugh on Miya's headbang moment😭
Light will still avoid Japan to not get exposed
fake news
Sonix with the correct opinion
I blame Light, If Light had been there, we would have had someone in Top 8 at least but he's on his "I want to be best in America first" head-ass.. NO mf shoot for best in the world... This is 'Murica we are number 1
My lineup for the next NA trip: Light, Shadic, Sonix, Tweek, Cosmos, Tilde, Skyjay, and Kola. That would be super sick to see. Shit throw in Bloom, Raflow, and Glutto again.
Sonix was SPITTING.
Personally, I would rather listen to low quality Light than him not being here. He is the most important member afterall.
53:30
This is why Sonix is respected by Japanese smash community.
He is true professional.