i find it a whole lot easier to play cs2, simply because creating any good looking city in cs1 requires just a whole day of preparation and downloading mods and assets
The problem with the water, apart from being an even slower than in the first game, is that the wave surface effects are insanely exaggerated, way out of scale - The water looks like it's always about to spill over and flood the city. From the distances we're viewing things, its should look much flatter. I don't understand why developers feel they need to exaggerate water waves like this, it never looks good. This mod fixes it: "Water Visual Tweaks" - Makes it look much better:
I've tried and tried, but I just can't get into CS2. The vibe is not there. Might be the lack of assets or the fact I don't find it as player-friendly as CS1. I may try again when more is added, but for now I find the simulation just lacks aura and atmosphere. It feels like walking through the cold, empty Fjords in February. I also still say the development tree is dull and very underwhelming with not too much to achieve for compared to the myriad in CS1.
Personally I really like the game. SInce the lanch I played about 400 hours without almost no problem, and I have a medium PC. I think that most of our dissapointment - or at least mine - was not having some CS1 essential mods included and the traffic AI, which I think is horrible. Lack of assets is a shame, but that don't make the game unplayable at all. Videos in the Camera mod can be up to 2 minutes. Sure it will be a mega game in one year. I can compare with the launch of CS1, but for what I understood, is more or less the same situation.
Good video! Our wishlists aligned pretty well. Built in heightmap grab or any other way to make mapmaking easier and more fun is a great call even. I think the game needs stuff like that to lower the threshold for new players and creators.
Why? Are you delusional? They made a first iteration and then flubbed the second. What gives you any faith they won’t continue to release half-baked games for AAA prices?
You were right to give the lowest possible score to lack of Workshop assets. It is ridiculous that the sequel removed User Content and Steam Workshop. I keep saying this but, to me, it is the single biggest reason I won't touch CS2. We have had years of building any type of "city" one could imagine and the sequel wants us to be content with a terribly cartoon European "big modern city" look that I just hate. That and Paradox's decision to not allow a Steam Workshop makes me think they are becoming too big for their supporters, like EA and other developers who more and more locked their content behind their own Launchers, mandatory accounts, etc. It is very obvious that Paradox found the User Generated Content of CS1 on the Steam Workshop to be too much competition. They repeatedly took users' ideas and repackaged it as lame DLCs, and now it appears they won't even allow user ideas for CS2, but will likely continue to mine the CS workshop for lackluster DLC content.
Just gotta say in advance of your video on value for money.... I have 720 hours in and only a few complaints. Sure, its a progression, but it is getting there. We just need the content/asset editor to make it fly. Still a few bugs, but nothing that would make me go full negative on it. CS:1 was a total mess at launch, and had no where near the features we see in CS:2. All the same a pretty good summary BonBon.
Thousands of hours in CS1 - still not touched CS2. We need to stop pumping money into companies releasing half baked products. Absolute joke that this was released in the state it was.
Look it’s not perfect but they’ve made some pretty dramatic improvements and things are gonna get better. It’s a complicated game with a lot of wish lists give them time. It’ll be there soon.
The performance issue is once making a big city. Its way worse than the first game, the simulation speed becomes unplayable even with the best cpus in existence.
I just love this game and get stuck playing it for hours and hours, its so complex and even though there is a large learning curve at the beginning there always seems to be something new to discover, or maybe I'm just a noob and am easily impressed with nice graphics. No real complaints for me but I will add that I cannot bring myself to play the game with no money restrictions as It just feels like cheating, also I have a really nice gaming PC so maybe this helps a lot in terms of lag and other issues that some people seem to be having and also I never get cities to more than approx 100k citizens. Nice video as its so interesting to see what others think of this game who have been playing it for years earlier compared to other people who are new to it.
Not quite yet but it's getting there. It's coming along pretty nicely imo. The level of detail one can do is SO MUCH easier to produce in this than CS1. You can really do some nice work much easier and without ever leaving the game. I see other Creators uploading videos that are fine?
I don't get much time to watch too many other creators. Those cinematics I have seen from others tend to be tailored to suit the camera. I could do that, but like long pans.
The other creators also have a full time vested interest in selling you CS2. They're the same ones who willingly and knowingly agreed to hide the lag issues they experienced pre-launch.
@@MarcPi_Music because it shows that they can get away with it. If we ensure devastation economically for poor games, then the free market can influence decisions. Allowing failure to fester doesn’t foster success.
@@CountJeffula I can't agree with you. Just because one or some bad decisions don't need to condemn the whole company to ruin. Would you be happy if you get fired just because you did some mistakes at your job? And man, we're talking just about a PC game, no need to be that harsh.
I just bought my gaming PC a few weeks ago and I finally downloaded CS 2 after playing CS1 for 3.5 years on my Mac. I wanted to wait a year before playing it and it’s just ugh.
An entire year later and there's still no asset editor!? I find CS2 to be embarrassingly lackluster, insulting even. A perfect example of the sad state of gaming industry today. The desire to create a quality product is dwarfed by the desire to make a quick buck. Such a shame.
Game optimisation as a +1? Dude, I can't imagine how strong must be stuff you are smoking. My i9 and RTX 3070Ti is not enough for a 200k population city. Vanilla!
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying it's well optimised. I'm judging against my previous wishes. I wanted a 'better optimised game', and this is better optimised than CS1. Based on that alone it had to get a positive score. In other news, I've never smoked anything. Tobacco. Weed. Even salmon. Unless you count incinerating sausages on a barbecue...
i find it a whole lot easier to play cs2, simply because creating any good looking city in cs1 requires just a whole day of preparation and downloading mods and assets
Mihgt be true, even you can be more creative whit cs1
The problem with the water, apart from being an even slower than in the first game, is that the wave surface effects are insanely exaggerated, way out of scale - The water looks like it's always about to spill over and flood the city. From the distances we're viewing things, its should look much flatter. I don't understand why developers feel they need to exaggerate water waves like this, it never looks good.
This mod fixes it: "Water Visual Tweaks" - Makes it look much better:
You know, that might be it. I'll have a look for the mod. Thanks.
@@BonBonBThis mod straight up fixes how water looks. Can highly recommend it
I saw your thumbnail "3 1/2 Years Later" and almost had a stroke because I could've sworn CS:2 came out last October.
It did come out last October ;-)
Same thought here :)
I've tried and tried, but I just can't get into CS2. The vibe is not there. Might be the lack of assets or the fact I don't find it as player-friendly as CS1. I may try again when more is added, but for now I find the simulation just lacks aura and atmosphere. It feels like walking through the cold, empty Fjords in February. I also still say the development tree is dull and very underwhelming with not too much to achieve for compared to the myriad in CS1.
"borderline horrific" on the outside the map area is such an understatement.... nice take on the game :)
Personally I really like the game. SInce the lanch I played about 400 hours without almost no problem, and I have a medium PC. I think that most of our dissapointment - or at least mine - was not having some CS1 essential mods included and the traffic AI, which I think is horrible. Lack of assets is a shame, but that don't make the game unplayable at all.
Videos in the Camera mod can be up to 2 minutes.
Sure it will be a mega game in one year. I can compare with the launch of CS1, but for what I understood, is more or less the same situation.
The shortcomings of the water mechanic are really noticeable when trying to make a map. So hard to use and make it look proper.
Good video! Our wishlists aligned pretty well. Built in heightmap grab or any other way to make mapmaking easier and more fun is a great call even. I think the game needs stuff like that to lower the threshold for new players and creators.
Honestly, they’re still finding their footing with this game. I have confidence in it and them.
Why? Are you delusional? They made a first iteration and then flubbed the second. What gives you any faith they won’t continue to release half-baked games for AAA prices?
You were right to give the lowest possible score to lack of Workshop assets. It is ridiculous that the sequel removed User Content and Steam Workshop. I keep saying this but, to me, it is the single biggest reason I won't touch CS2. We have had years of building any type of "city" one could imagine and the sequel wants us to be content with a terribly cartoon European "big modern city" look that I just hate. That and Paradox's decision to not allow a Steam Workshop makes me think they are becoming too big for their supporters, like EA and other developers who more and more locked their content behind their own Launchers, mandatory accounts, etc. It is very obvious that Paradox found the User Generated Content of CS1 on the Steam Workshop to be too much competition. They repeatedly took users' ideas and repackaged it as lame DLCs, and now it appears they won't even allow user ideas for CS2, but will likely continue to mine the CS workshop for lackluster DLC content.
Just gotta say in advance of your video on value for money.... I have 720 hours in and only a few complaints. Sure, its a progression, but it is getting there. We just need the content/asset editor to make it fly. Still a few bugs, but nothing that would make me go full negative on it. CS:1 was a total mess at launch, and had no where near the features we see in CS:2. All the same a pretty good summary BonBon.
Indeed.
I need to build a new city to give an updated review on the game itself.
Thousands of hours in CS1 - still not touched CS2. We need to stop pumping money into companies releasing half baked products. Absolute joke that this was released in the state it was.
Look it’s not perfect but they’ve made some pretty dramatic improvements and things are gonna get better. It’s a complicated game with a lot of wish lists give them time. It’ll be there soon.
You sound like a voice actor from a Stronghold game. Nice!
The performance issue is once making a big city. Its way worse than the first game, the simulation speed becomes unplayable even with the best cpus in existence.
Hi, what is your current pc spec and how's the game running for you term of fps? Thanks for the helpful video.
I just love this game and get stuck playing it for hours and hours, its so complex and even though there is a large learning curve at the beginning there always seems to be something new to discover, or maybe I'm just a noob and am easily impressed with nice graphics. No real complaints for me but I will add that I cannot bring myself to play the game with no money restrictions as It just feels like cheating, also I have a really nice gaming PC so maybe this helps a lot in terms of lag and other issues that some people seem to be having and also I never get cities to more than approx 100k citizens. Nice video as its so interesting to see what others think of this game who have been playing it for years earlier compared to other people who are new to it.
Not quite yet but it's getting there. It's coming along pretty nicely imo. The level of detail one can do is SO MUCH easier to produce in this than CS1. You can really do some nice work much easier and without ever leaving the game. I see other Creators uploading videos that are fine?
I don't get much time to watch too many other creators. Those cinematics I have seen from others tend to be tailored to suit the camera. I could do that, but like long pans.
The other creators also have a full time vested interest in selling you CS2. They're the same ones who willingly and knowingly agreed to hide the lag issues they experienced pre-launch.
Road Builder Mod has helped save this game, I think, BBB... 😏
i agree. CS2 is disappointing. i bought but haven’t played it for months. CS1 is just a better game.
Maybe you can give another opportunity to the game, it improved a lot in the last months.
@@MarcPi_Musicthey’re a day late and a dollar short. Should have made a decent game initially.
@@CountJeffula yeah probably, but if someone wants to give a second thought, why not? I you don't want, is fine, but maybe others want
@@MarcPi_Music because it shows that they can get away with it. If we ensure devastation economically for poor games, then the free market can influence decisions. Allowing failure to fester doesn’t foster success.
@@CountJeffula I can't agree with you. Just because one or some bad decisions don't need to condemn the whole company to ruin. Would you be happy if you get fired just because you did some mistakes at your job?
And man, we're talking just about a PC game, no need to be that harsh.
ffs, i had a heart attack when i saw 3,5 years, im getting old and time fly by fast, but surely not that fast :)
Clickbaity thumbnails are clickbaity. But also true in this case ;-)
No no it isn’t 😢
I just bought my gaming PC a few weeks ago and I finally downloaded CS 2 after playing CS1 for 3.5 years on my Mac. I wanted to wait a year before playing it and it’s just ugh.
Another English guy that builds his cities that drive on the right handside instead of left. 😂
It's called progressive thinking ;-)
This is just a city painter in pre alpha stage.Just go and play Simcity 4 or Theo Town
what a joke, those games dont even compare
LOL wrong but everyone gets an opinion.
Both of these games are games where you can only build in 2 maybe 4 axis at most. That's not fun at all.
@@Mr_Topek both of these games feels like a game , not like a city painter.
An entire year later and there's still no asset editor!? I find CS2 to be embarrassingly lackluster, insulting even. A perfect example of the sad state of gaming industry today. The desire to create a quality product is dwarfed by the desire to make a quick buck. Such a shame.
Blah blah blah blah
Good video mate! such a shame 😞
Game optimisation as a +1? Dude, I can't imagine how strong must be stuff you are smoking. My i9 and RTX 3070Ti is not enough for a 200k population city. Vanilla!
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying it's well optimised. I'm judging against my previous wishes. I wanted a 'better optimised game', and this is better optimised than CS1. Based on that alone it had to get a positive score.
In other news, I've never smoked anything. Tobacco. Weed. Even salmon. Unless you count incinerating sausages on a barbecue...
i miss your videos
Cities Skylines FOREVER
CS2 NEEEEEEEEEVER
Great Video as always BonBonB. You already know my position. Keep up the good work.
I gave up long ago
😆
Very few of your criticism are good.
I dunno, I thought I was pretty fair :-)