AK-63F: Hungary's Last Military Kalashnikov

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    In 1978, as AMD-65 rifles in service were starting to get worn out, FÉG launched a program to refurbish the old original AKM-63 rifles with new wood furniture for new military service. Conversions began in 1980, and when the supply of old rifles ran out, the factory began making new ones to the same basic pattern. However, production was slow, and by 1982 only about 50,000 had been produced (about 35,500 for Hungarian use and another 14,500 for export). At that point, complaints had built up about the length of the rifles, as people were used to works with the quite compact AMD-65.
    The solution was to introduce the AK-63D, a model of the rifle with the same 16" barrel but with a Soviet-style underfolding stock instead of the fixed wooden stock. These replaced the AK-63F in production until 2002, when the fixed-stocks guns went back into production using leftover parts. This production appears to have continued until 2016, with Hungary selling the rifles to states in the Middle East. The exact details are still classified by the Hungarian government, but a 2018 Conflict Armament Research report identified 166 AK-63Fs captured from Isis. Some of these late-production guns have come into the United States as parts kits, including this one (which I purchased from Atlantic Firearms).
    The Hungarian military decided to adopt the Czech Bren 2 rifle in 2011, bringing its use of Kalashnikovs to an end. The AK-63F rifles still in service today are expected to be all replaced by 2030.
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  • @ForgottenWeapons
    @ForgottenWeapons  25 днів тому +39

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    • @karlvongazenberg8398
      @karlvongazenberg8398 25 днів тому

      10:28 Also, after 2003 the "then" Hungarian Govt. - now in opposition parties - gave to the rebuilt Iraqi army a lost of the former Wars Pact equipment....

    • @bachiryammine8033
      @bachiryammine8033 25 днів тому

      this seems to be an iraqi issued ak cause there are arabic numbers on the wooden stock and that is what they do in the iraqi army and the number is 42

  • @hoilst265
    @hoilst265 25 днів тому +729

    THE LAST OF THE GOULASHNIKOVS.

    • @cerealpeer
      @cerealpeer 25 днів тому +2

      hey wheres my ratatouille

    • @rodrigodepierola
      @rodrigodepierola 25 днів тому +25

      ​@@cerealpeer the Chauchat was a ratatatatatatatouille.

    • @cerealpeer
      @cerealpeer 25 днів тому +2

      @@rodrigodepierola b b b b bobby bouché

    • @cerealpeer
      @cerealpeer 25 днів тому +1

      food? is the devil!

    • @folti78
      @folti78 25 днів тому +7

      @@cerealpeer Ratatouille is French, Hungary and nearby have "lecsó", which is stewed paprika and tomatoes on onions, with whatever other ingredients the exact recipe variant calls for.

  • @Cuccos19
    @Cuccos19 25 днів тому +153

    The F in the AK-63F should stand for "fatusás" which is synonym to for "wooden stock" ("fa" means tree, wood, wooden depending on the context and "tusa" means stock - "tusás" is like having a stock or something with a stock).

    • @SkinkUA
      @SkinkUA 9 днів тому

      Holy shit, AK-63 "FATASS"

  • @matevecsei5774
    @matevecsei5774 25 днів тому +186

    The D in AK63D is for "deszant" which is a synonym for Paratrooper.

    • @Drownedinblood
      @Drownedinblood 25 днів тому +5

      Translated from descent?

    • @tyaty
      @tyaty 25 днів тому +19

      @@Drownedinblood
      Loanword based on the French 'descente'.

    • @folti78
      @folti78 25 днів тому +20

      @@Drownedinblood Russian loandword desant from the French descendre, meaning "to disembark". Russians and most former commie block use it for anything from from paratroopers (air desant, or in Hungarian légideszant, if not called ejtőernyős, which is literally paratrooper), to the disembarking troops in case of amphibious warfare, or the WW2 classic of infantry riding on tanks, which later evolved onto infantry riding on their APCs/IFVs for various reasons:
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_desant
      For the latter case I still found them referred as desant by Slavic people, for example in the current Russian-Ukrainian war.

    • @SA_Rocket
      @SA_Rocket 25 днів тому +2

      deez what?

    • @sergecashman4822
      @sergecashman4822 25 днів тому

      That's what I assumed too (десант). But kind of weird for Hungarians because they are not Slavic. "Desantnik" is a paratrooper in Russian and probably U. From the french/latin root and prefix like descent ("moving down"). Underfolders were called that back in the soviet union, at leas unofficially. However I think the real paratroopers carried regular sized AKs.
      The amount of this stuff all over the middle east is staggering. I had an impression there was a real shortage of assault rifles around the time of the Syrian civil war (prices were insane), but now it looks like the market is saturated. West Bank and Gaza have so many rifles it would put a real army to shame (and it does, Israel is scrambling for new rifles). A lot of it seems to originally come from Hungary. Hungary was always kind of a capitalist country in a communist block... :)

  • @howitworks3607
    @howitworks3607 25 днів тому +52

    “They hated their AK so they made an AK. Then they hated that AK so they made an AK. Then they hated that AK so they made an AK. Then they hated that AK so they made an AK…” and so on 😂

    • @Jorvaskrr
      @Jorvaskrr 25 днів тому +6

      The definition of insanity.

    • @SnoopReddogg
      @SnoopReddogg 25 днів тому +5

      To be fair, the options were somewhat limited

  • @bku1961
    @bku1961 25 днів тому +220

    82'-83' Határőrség. Kiváló fegyver volt.

    • @anfrac3700
      @anfrac3700 25 днів тому +5

      Did the border guard use it in conjunction with AMD-63 assault rifle? Did they prefer it?

    • @bobibobi896
      @bobibobi896 25 днів тому +7

      ​@@anfrac3700only ak63

    • @jarlbalgruufthegreater1758
      @jarlbalgruufthegreater1758 25 днів тому +3

      Segg vakarásra jó volt

    • @christopherhazell420
      @christopherhazell420 24 дні тому

      ​@anfrac3700 you meant AMD-65?

    • @bku1961
      @bku1961 24 дні тому

      @@christopherhazell420 Nem. Az AMD-65 az rövid csövű, kihajtható váll támasszal fekete műanyag markolatokkal gyártották. Az AKM -63 az hosszabb csővel és "kék" színű műanyag markolattal és tusával, és ezt csak a Munkásőrségnél rendszeresítették.

  • @zsoltberces3378
    @zsoltberces3378 25 днів тому +31

    There is 2 minor error.
    1) D stands for "deszant", not for folding stock. "Deszant" means desant or amphibious, usually an air-mobile troops. Yes, these air-mobile troops prefers to use a shorter gun with folding stock.
    2) The Hungarian military decided to adopt the Czech Bren 2 rifle in 2018, not in 2011. The original Czech CZ 805 BREN was developed in 2011. Beginning in 2011 the Czech Army began replacing its former service rifle vz. 58 with CZ 805 BREN. But Chech soldiers serving in Afghanistan found some problems with it, mainly ergonomical problems. So, in October 2015, CZUB (Česká zbrojovka Uherský Brod) announced that it had introduced an improved, lighter variant of its CZ 805 BREN rifle called CZ BREN 2. It has a reduction in weight of 0.5 kg, plus incorporates a number of amendments requested by the soldiers in the field, including a re-designed cocking mechanism, a simpler cleaning routine and a new lightweight folding and adjustable foot. This upgraded variant of CZ BREN 2 was adopted in Hungary in late 2018, and licence produced at a newly built factory HM Arzenal.

  • @balazstorok9265
    @balazstorok9265 25 днів тому +69

    AK63D, border patrol, Sopron, Szombathely, Kőszeg, Hétforrás, Felsőcsatár, Zsira. Thank you for the nostalgia.

    • @unlockaut8547
      @unlockaut8547 24 дні тому +1

      Greetings from Narda!🙂

    • @merce5434
      @merce5434 24 дні тому +1

      @@unlockaut8547 bro you don’t mean to tell me there is another forgotten weapons fan in our tiny little village, sporting the same drip i do (flecktarn and a shemagh) lmao

    • @unlockaut8547
      @unlockaut8547 23 дні тому +2

      @@merce5434 well i don't live there anymore but if you are around 20-30 years old, we might inow each other 😁

    • @merce5434
      @merce5434 23 дні тому

      @@unlockaut8547 22 here, there’s a chance, my name is Márkó (idk why i wrote it english xd)

  • @thekraken1173
    @thekraken1173 25 днів тому +198

    AK50 collab video when?

    • @johnsmith-jq1uc
      @johnsmith-jq1uc 25 днів тому +15

      kalashnibren

    • @sir0herrbatka
      @sir0herrbatka 25 днів тому +6

      @@johnsmith-jq1uc Kalashnibren was not a bad idea. RPKs are rather awkward with those long mags and you are likely to be firing prone anyway.

    • @brianking9446
      @brianking9446 25 днів тому +5

      Can't say they don't exist!

    • @robgoodsight6216
      @robgoodsight6216 25 днів тому

      😂😂😂 everyone is asking this question in their head...

    • @ElTejon47901
      @ElTejon47901 25 днів тому +5

      We pray never.

  • @danh5397
    @danh5397 25 днів тому +27

    Every Hungarian AK that I've ever seen was always quality I've never seen one that came from the FEG Factory that had problems

  • @kaz5707
    @kaz5707 25 днів тому +25

    I have a 63d and it has the milled 47 style chunky firing pin too, Really nice rifles. love how ak production from country to country diverge in slight details

  • @Moondog66602
    @Moondog66602 25 днів тому +31

    The stories of where aks go and how they get there is always fascinating

  • @user-kr7yh8vw9m
    @user-kr7yh8vw9m 25 днів тому +15

    Ian, i want to be honest with you: watching your videos about the history of firearms is always a treat. The history of these foreign AKs really intrigues me like the AK-63F you've shown to us.

  • @user-tv4lz5ie5u
    @user-tv4lz5ie5u 25 днів тому +53

    Forgotten Weapons going about AK variants for actual connoiseurs. The weekend is looking up.

  • @evantemple4341
    @evantemple4341 25 днів тому +19

    I’m starting to believe Ian puts weapons in his lap so he doesn’t get too excited talking and jump up and move off camera 😂

  • @justin4323
    @justin4323 25 днів тому +47

    I'm definitely still going to watch this even though I just got to work. Loving the AK content.

    • @bobhill3941
      @bobhill3941 25 днів тому +5

      I watch Forgotten Weapons while I'm waiting to punch in and on my lunch break.

  • @JJW3
    @JJW3 25 днів тому +8

    My AK-63F started as one of those same Atlantic kits. I was excited to see when it arrived that it had nice clear Arabic markings on the stock and handguards, was all matching, and looked basically new/unfired except for a few handling marks on the wood. I built it on a Childers Hungarian marked receiver and used a FB Radom CHF barrel. The rifle was in the GC5xxx production block.

  • @zo657
    @zo657 25 днів тому +10

    i have one of these iam from iraq Great rifle

  • @gabornagy1942
    @gabornagy1942 25 днів тому +15

    I remember some video about Iraqs invasion. G.I.-s show a small garage or shipping containers full of wooden boxes written 9x19 parabellum and the F.É.G. logo on it.

  • @danielknepper6884
    @danielknepper6884 25 днів тому +39

    Kalashnikov was just a genius on this weapon

    • @wills2140
      @wills2140 25 днів тому +4

      Yes he was. The most ubiquitous firearm(s) of our times, brutal in it's simplicity and reliability", the Avtomatski Kalašnikov rifle!
      😊

  • @R1N23
    @R1N23 25 днів тому +26

    We need an official review and approval from our Gun Jesus of the AK Jesus' majestic work the holy AK-50

    • @ES90344
      @ES90344 25 днів тому +2

      We have to wait until it's forgotten in a year or two.

  • @samcruickshanks6856
    @samcruickshanks6856 25 днів тому +2

    With the amount of time this rifle has been around in one form or another, and considering the numerous Country's across the whole world who produce their own versions at home, it's of little surprise to me that stacks of books have been written on the subject.
    What does surprise me though is the sheer determination of Ian to absorb as much of this information as possible and then present it and the knowledge of many other types of firearms Too, in the most utterly engaging and pleasant mannered way in which he has consistently done for us all for years and years now.
    On the behalf of myself and many other people too (I am quite confident in assuming) Ian I wish to say thank you!
    I doth my hat to you good sir.

  • @newdefsys
    @newdefsys 25 днів тому +12

    That AK has been exported more than a Mark-1 Plumbing truck

  • @user-WilliamEHarrisjr
    @user-WilliamEHarrisjr 25 днів тому +10

    Ordering the book

  • @adamregiel8044
    @adamregiel8044 25 днів тому +48

    So we finished Hungarian AKs, but you still dont have videos of some FEG pistols. I think its intresting to see thier interpretation of Makarov, Hi-Power and Tokarev. And Im not Hungarian Im Polish.

    • @gergoantal1066
      @gergoantal1066 25 днів тому +9

      +1 on this. They're really interesting. PA63, P9 variants, or even the rare R78 used by police detectives.

    • @petesheppard1709
      @petesheppard1709 25 днів тому +3

      YES! FEG pistols were quite common in the '90s, with really interesting variations on popular patterns.

    • @adamregiel8044
      @adamregiel8044 25 днів тому

      @@petesheppard1709 Ian also finished Romanian line of sidearms, so Hungary seems obvious. I of course waiting for my Polish P-64 (Modified PPK), then P-83 Wanad (Update of P-64, lately Ian made video on suppresed one), then we have quite strange WIST-94 and modern competator called MAG. And finally our standard VIS-100. Altrough It is modern FB now making totally new striker-fire MSP.

    • @donwyoming1936
      @donwyoming1936 25 днів тому +4

      My tiny Hungarian SMC-380 Makarov is so cute.
      Back in the mid 90s, Feg Hi-Powers & Maks flew out of my gun shop. Were extremely popular

    • @el2-More
      @el2-More 25 днів тому

      PA63 is a real piece of crap, while the FEG licensed Hi-Powers, both the direct-copy p9m and the sport version fp9 are quite good, and the hi-power/s&w bastard p9r and its subversions are also crap. You can guess, which ones are standardised for both the army and the police? Yes, pa63 and later it was changed to the even worse p9r, while the p9m is less liked locally than suzuki swift owners and child molesters.

  • @1boortzfan
    @1boortzfan 25 днів тому +4

    I've never been a fan of AKs but it is nice to see someone putting together a resource book on them.

  • @Drownedinblood
    @Drownedinblood 25 днів тому +9

    I swear there was some giant wave of either nostaliga or memory loss across the eastern bloc in the military going backwards. Like they reintroduced great coats into the military as combat uniform even though ww2 proved padded jackets and pants were better cold weather gear.

  • @BunyipDude
    @BunyipDude 25 днів тому +10

    These started showing up in the hands of Iraqi forces during the Iran-Iraq War pretty quickly after they were first produced in 1980. They have been very common in the Middle East ever since. Not sure how many Saddam bought, but there have long been rumors that more AK-63Fs were exported to Iraq than the Hungarian Defence Forces themselves ever had in inventory. (Not sure about AK-63Ds, though - those don't seem to show up in the region nearly as often.)

    • @cinema_42
      @cinema_42 25 днів тому +4

      These were definitely exported prior to 2002, as suggested in the video. I suspect the Hungarian government isn't too interested in letting everyone know how many and which serial numbers they exported to Saddam, considering how many ended up in the hands of ISIS and other terrorist groups. Some US forces encountered AK-63F's during Desert Storm back in 1990-1991.

    • @causewaykayak
      @causewaykayak 25 днів тому +3


      America sure opened a Pandora's Box when they destroyed the stable Saddam dictatorship.

    • @leonardwei3914
      @leonardwei3914 25 днів тому +1

      @@causewaykayak I would call Saddam dictatorship many things, but stable isn't one of them.

    • @causewaykayak
      @causewaykayak 25 днів тому +1

      @@leonardwei3914 Why not. It was as stable as any leadership based on an attempt at cult of personality. Are you trying to suggest that American interference was beneficial (Shrieks of Laughter!). I suppose you will say that the leadership of North Korea is unstable too despite it being in power unchallenged since the War. Saddam like Gaddafi was a force for stability, for trade until the west started to dictate and destabilise. No benefit came from the inexcusable war and destabilisation efforts of the US and its puppy NATO.

    • @illidur
      @illidur 24 дні тому

      @@causewaykayak Being ruled by one of these dictators would suck ass. Who cares how stable they are when its actually a good thing if they aren't stable?

  • @kentr2424
    @kentr2424 25 днів тому +5

    Ian, I wonder if the reason the Hungarians had the vent holes on the gas tube for recoil mitigation? With the extra holes, the gas piston shouldn't go back quite as fast, which should reduce recoil somewhat and make extraction a little less "violent", no?

  • @1nfamyX
    @1nfamyX 25 днів тому +4

    6:47 theres not really much impact no but the idea is that if the holes are *behind* the piston then debris can get in, add resistance to the cycle and spit that debris into the receiver. If the holes are on the gas block itself, then the debris wont do this.

  • @The_Casual_Collector
    @The_Casual_Collector 25 днів тому

    Very cool, I, like others, got one of these as a kit from Atlantic Firearms a couple of years ago, eventually I hope to get it built. Thanks for sharing. Good stuff as always.

  • @DevinMoorhead
    @DevinMoorhead 25 днів тому +7

    Learning to read because of the headstamp plugs gang

  • @adam3651
    @adam3651 25 днів тому +7

    One thing you forgot to mention is the Hungarian ak uses a slightly different shaped lower handguard retainer on upper interior edge rounds downwards making regular akm lower handguards not compatible without fitting

    • @Almost_Made_It
      @Almost_Made_It 25 днів тому +1

      Learned that when I tried to make mine look polish

    • @Grobut81
      @Grobut81 25 днів тому

      Some parts also lack the lightning cuts typical of AKM's, see for instance the front and back of the front sight tower, the rear of the bolt carrier, and the top-cover release button.

    • @adam3651
      @adam3651 23 дні тому

      @@Grobut81 yup earlier akm features

  • @AjackLee4
    @AjackLee4 25 днів тому +6

    These Hungarians are just so nice looking!

  • @evilresidence4
    @evilresidence4 25 днів тому +8

    I had an AK63DS (underfolder). The magwell and overall quality of the gun was way better than the WASR I had.

  • @tomconneely1361
    @tomconneely1361 25 днів тому +2

    Cheers for the nod to Conflict Armaments Research. That looks like it will be very useful going forward.

  • @BerndFelsche
    @BerndFelsche 24 дні тому

    Mechanism sounds well maintained and solid.

  • @eugeniaamariei8626
    @eugeniaamariei8626 25 днів тому +20

    I didn't know there are some former Eastern Bloc countries still using AKs.

    • @polskagurom12345
      @polskagurom12345 25 днів тому +16

      poland is still using wz 96 beryls which basically are 5.56 ak's. slowly getting replaced by new 5.56 grots

    • @DawidKov
      @DawidKov 25 днів тому +11

      Institutional momentum is a hard thing to beat, especially when you don't have the funds to overhaul your entire armament production (or have other uses for excess funds). It's the same reason Finland kept using Mosins up until the end of the 20th century, despite there being better alternatives - there were just so many leftover guns and parts that it was cheaper to keep them in service and tinker with them, rather than fully rearming from scratch.

    • @alexs5792
      @alexs5792 25 днів тому +7

      Many still do

    • @kulcsarandras5406
      @kulcsarandras5406 25 днів тому +9

      The Hungarian Defence Forces have started rearming with the CZ Bren 2.

    • @folti78
      @folti78 25 днів тому +3

      @@kulcsarandras5406 well, they started the program, but we'll have to see how long it'll last before it's scrapped due to lack of funds ...

  • @peterwright217
    @peterwright217 25 днів тому +1

    top show Ian.

  • @imtk7618
    @imtk7618 25 днів тому +11

    Ah yes, just in time for my dinner so I can both eat and learn more firearm history!

  • @user-jg8do3rp6c
    @user-jg8do3rp6c 25 днів тому +2

    Everything perfect in the world has beauty

  • @foldvarimarton
    @foldvarimarton 22 дні тому

    I always thought that the AK-63F predates the AK-63D and the AMD-65, thanks Ian! I saw cadets training with the wooden stock version in 2002 and I thought they got the surplus gear. Veterans told me that it was quite challenging to jump over obstacles while it's strapped to your back because it kept hitting the back of your head.

  • @jamesallred460
    @jamesallred460 25 днів тому +9

    Yo, early team, mount up!

    • @wills2140
      @wills2140 25 днів тому +1

      Last time I was this early, Hungary was "ruled" by an Admiral that had been commander - in - chief for a "Navy" that no longer existed lost it's homeport and access to the Adriatic, was "Regent" for a "King" in permanent exile and would never rule Hungary, was leader of a "National Army" that was not the official Army of Hungary, and led a country that would eventually join with Hitler and be a member of the Axis powers...
      Last time I was this early, "Admiral" Miklós Horthy de Nagybánya was "Regent" of the Kingdom of Hungary.

    • @kulcsarandras5406
      @kulcsarandras5406 25 днів тому +2

      ​​@@wills2140
      In WWII, Hungary had finally declared war on the USA. An envoy is sent to the US embassy, where they handed over the formal declaration, after which the following conversation took place:
      - What is your form of government?
      -Kingdom.
      -Who's your king?
      - We don't have a king, but a regent.
      - Okay, then who's the regent?
      - Admiral Miklós Horthy.
      - Admiral? So do you have access to the ocean?
      - No.
      - Okay. Do you have any territorial claims against the USA?
      - No, we do not.
      - Do you have territorial claims against other countries?
      - Yes, against Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Romania...
      - And are you waging war against them as well?
      - No, they are our allies.

  • @tihlsteinig2465
    @tihlsteinig2465 25 днів тому +2

    I have beck in my days 63 D. Excellent gun. (Hungarian Army)

  • @roughseas3455
    @roughseas3455 25 днів тому +11

    Please do the P-64 next

  • @krisss937
    @krisss937 25 днів тому +7

    Ian I really hope so that you will also make a video of the modernized version the AK-63MF

  • @borismedovar9968
    @borismedovar9968 25 днів тому +2

    Nothing exceeds the original wooden stock AKs. Like M16A1 - an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.

  • @Rake3577
    @Rake3577 25 днів тому +2

    Fired one of these before, decent rifle and felt lighter than a standard Russian AKM

  • @av8bvma513
    @av8bvma513 25 днів тому +1

    Ian: "Here's one I bought earlier!"

  • @tesztelek8157
    @tesztelek8157 25 днів тому +3

    Good weapon, we have some modernised and refurbished, wonder if any of them made it out of the country

  • @raznaak
    @raznaak 16 днів тому

    Seriously, the AK platform has a certain kind of elegance.
    It's simple. It's sturdy. It shoots reasonably well. It's quite reliable. It's easy to manufacture. It's easy to maintain.
    Sure, many other guns will be better in many aspects. Sure, it has its problems.
    But no wonder the sheer number of various AKs made, and still used, it's just a good gun.

  • @thobetiin8266
    @thobetiin8266 25 днів тому +1

    Supposedly the extra gas wents are there in case of overpressure due to a projectile stuck in the barrell or a suppressor.
    Also to let more gas went that way, before the bolt opens and you get gas on your arm

  • @augurseer
    @augurseer 25 днів тому +2

    Cool

  • @trooperdgb9722
    @trooperdgb9722 25 днів тому

    Just love the way he goes "Presto" and lifts some OTHER interesting gun from his lap! (OK>>he doesn't say "Presto"..but he should!)

  • @jrb8955
    @jrb8955 25 днів тому +2

    Ian, please make a review of ak50 v3

  • @MooseBme
    @MooseBme 25 днів тому

    !(: COOL, THANKS AGAIN SIR ;)!

  • @mullerandy
    @mullerandy 25 днів тому +6

    @ 4:50 "D" is actually stands for "Deszant." That means "armed assault" in English. The "D" variant was mainly used by paratroopers and tankers (some units used the AMD63) because of its smaller size, while the regular AK63 was used by the border-guards, military schools, regular army and conscript troops (so basically everybody else..... AMD's where still used until 2009 by the police. *ALSO:* Fun fact, in the back of the stock there is a little hole that is covered with a small piece of metal. It is used to hold the cleaning tools.
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  • @kawaiiarchive357
    @kawaiiarchive357 25 днів тому +7

    Hungarian AKs seem to have had an identity crisis lol.

  • @Godaronful
    @Godaronful 25 днів тому +4

    10:15 Hungary has a lot of accidental ties to ISIS like that. For example the people who committed the paris attacks were found with a crap ton of hungarian SIM cards and burner phones, because apparently they socked up on them in budapest from local criminal groups

    • @hgerkicsig
      @hgerkicsig 25 днів тому +2

      There was a change in legislation because of this, now you have to identify yourself online every year to keep your sim card active.

    • @el2-More
      @el2-More 25 днів тому

      Don't forget that small firm, led by a pair of russians, which nearly sold rocket launchers and light machine guns to mexican drug cartels.

    • @diebaronofg0nzo470
      @diebaronofg0nzo470 25 днів тому

      Hungarian T-72s (gifted to Iraq after Saddam) ended up in the hands of ISIS.

  • @b.domonkos8694
    @b.domonkos8694 25 днів тому +1

    Is the book available in the Hungary version?

  • @jacobeii
    @jacobeii 25 днів тому +5

    Hi Ian

  • @kc751R
    @kc751R 25 днів тому

    Is the Popenker AK book collab still on the table or ist ot shelved?

  • @robertad8433
    @robertad8433 25 днів тому +6

    I would love to know where these kits came from, what part of the middle east… the rack numbers on the stock are unusual in style… when i emailed Atlantic asking about their origin i was told we cannot disclose our sources 😢

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  25 днів тому +5

      My guess would be Lebanon.

    • @greebfewatani
      @greebfewatani 25 днів тому +1

      It common for armed and security forces in the region to put numbering as you see and usually seen it this way over the rifles on guarding duty.
      Most likely it is in the armory of the unit on battalion level or so.
      What is written is just a number
      240 in this case

    • @robertad8433
      @robertad8433 25 днів тому +3

      @@greebfewatani i’m lebanese i can read 😂… i also served in the lebanese army and it is uncommon to see rack numbers like that except in boot camp if i remember correctly, scribbles on service guns was a big no no no armorer would dare do this for inventory purposes or otherwise, at least where i come from

    • @robertad8433
      @robertad8433 25 днів тому

      @@greebfewatani do you think these are iraqi ?

    • @greebfewatani
      @greebfewatani 25 днів тому +4

      @@robertad8433 ما عندي معرفة، بالاردن بتكون هذي الترقيمات ظاهرة بوظائف الحراسة على ابواب السفارات و كذلك مصر. عالاغلب السلاح عراقي او سوري الاصل وفقد من مخازن الجيش لسبب مرتبط بطبيعة الصراع بالمنطقة

  • @JohnCBobcat
    @JohnCBobcat 25 днів тому

    You're just really making it hard to resist getting in on get another Headstamp Kickstarter campaign. Not that I'm resisting very hard, but still...

  • @polskagurom12345
    @polskagurom12345 25 днів тому +10

    make a video about brand new ak-50 .bmg

  • @bronsonperich9430
    @bronsonperich9430 25 днів тому

    AMD-65 rolls over when Gun Jesus talks about it. This AK does a hand stand on its banana clip 😂

  • @heinerlange443
    @heinerlange443 25 днів тому

    Got this one and the underfolder ak63d off Atlantic firearms. Perfect pair.

  • @thejackal5099
    @thejackal5099 25 днів тому +3

    Why go from plastic to wood? Plastic is cheaper, lighter, and doesn't swell with humidity.

    • @skinwalkerhiddenvalleyranch
      @skinwalkerhiddenvalleyranch 25 днів тому +2

      Hungarian cold War plastics were not military grade , they had to buy food grade plastics from either the u.s or the soviet union due to embargos so the blue and Grey polymer stocks had to be molded solid so they wouldn't crack thereby making them heavier too

  • @markmarot9026
    @markmarot9026 25 днів тому

    Im not 100%, but I believe the "D" in the ak63d , stands for "desszant", just like in the AMD. Its logic, folding stock for paratroopers, mechanized infantry, tankers.

  • @BatCaveOz
    @BatCaveOz 25 днів тому +1

    And by "suffix" we actually mean "prefix".

  • @kombokil
    @kombokil 25 днів тому +1

    Looks like a good rifle, well it is AK so it is a good rifle.

  • @66kbm
    @66kbm 25 днів тому

    So as a newbie, there are as many AK47 variants out there as there are FAL's?

  • @aliforgame4476
    @aliforgame4476 25 днів тому +4

    We had alot of these in iraq

    • @BunyipDude
      @BunyipDude 25 днів тому +2

      I know an OIF veteran who spent major $$$$ on a pre-89 Kassnar-imported SA-85M just because he wanted a clone of the rifles that he frequently saw over there. (Bear in mind that this was many years before Century Arms and other companies started importing AK-63 parts kits to build clones on American-made receivers.)

  • @tbone5040
    @tbone5040 24 дні тому

    How did Amd 65's get worn out? I dont see where they would have been used much except for practice.

    • @BunyipDude
      @BunyipDude 23 дні тому

      The front grips on those guns (and the AKM-63s before them) are really fragile and poorly mounted. And once they break, you have to hold the gun by the heat shield, which is of course impractical (gets hot). Hungary really should have just gone with the AK-63 design from the beginning, and it’s not like they couldn’t have produced the same gun in 1963 that they eventually wound up producing starting in 1979. It’s really ironic that the first AK-63Fs were just re-manufactured AKM-63s with new handguards.

  • @mybrad7812
    @mybrad7812 25 днів тому

    Hey Ian, call you do a AK50 review with Brandon?

  • @Matt-md5yt
    @Matt-md5yt 25 днів тому

    Sweet a Hungrian AK being covered

  • @worldbiggestfan1
    @worldbiggestfan1 24 дні тому

    Bro more aks how many aks are there

  • @4EPB
    @4EPB 25 днів тому +6

    Goulashnikov.

  • @kiwiboy538
    @kiwiboy538 25 днів тому

    Still wondering what caliber
    5.56,7.62×39,7.62×54?

    • @polskagurom12345
      @polskagurom12345 25 днів тому +1

      762x39

    • @g54b95
      @g54b95 25 днів тому

      Look at the rifle. And the magazine. Look really familiar? Hmm.

  • @birschapple
    @birschapple 25 днів тому +1

    I am tök nem hungarian who is here because Gun Jesus is talking about magyar fegyverekről. And I definitely did not order azt a könyvet.

  • @BEWARESTUPID
    @BEWARESTUPID 25 днів тому

    First got to hold an AK in 1989, during my time in the SADF during Border Duties. I had seen a lot obviously on the news etc, but it was not until I served that I got to see them in numbers. I was surprised at the time how similar our R5's (I was in armour - we were issued R5's) were to the AK. I was not aware that the Galil / Littleton R4/R5 was based on the AK at the time. I have the SAIGA MK03 5.56 AK 102 now which I managed to purchase for lot less than we pay for the R4's/R5's Another informative and detailed vid, keep them coming.

  • @AKhan002
    @AKhan002 25 днів тому +2

    I was a little disappointed with this particular presentation, as it lacked a lot of specific Hungarian AK info (which Ian is notoriously famous for). Hungarians are different from other AKM variants in that they are much more like milled 47's than typical AKM variants and that's what makes them so unique / special. For example, Hungarians use full mass bolt carriers like 47's, along with round firing pins, vented gas tubes and more milled parts (both early oval and later rectangular FSB's and gas blocks) than any other variant - even in very late production. Finally, Hungarians use a very specific handguard retainer (designed for the original metal AKM 63 handguard / front pistol grip mount) which requires modification to other AKM style handguards to fit. Usually Ian points out subtle nuisances like this on the weapons he reviews.

    • @beretta1301tac
      @beretta1301tac 25 днів тому +1

      Based

    • @BunyipDude
      @BunyipDude 23 дні тому +1

      I was a little surprised that Ian also didn’t talk more about their use in Middle East conflicts, but maybe the book goes into more detail. I’m also pretty sure that he got some of the dates wrong. I remember that FEG’s own web site used to say that these were first produced in 1978, not 1980. (By 1980, the AK-63F had already been exported to Iraq and was appearing in the hands of Iraqi forces in the Iran-Iraq War.)

    • @beretta1301tac
      @beretta1301tac 23 дні тому +1

      @@BunyipDude Good points, I agree!

  • @proffingers
    @proffingers 25 днів тому +1

    the WHAT factory?
    I get mine homemade.

  • @juanmanuelperezlago5030
    @juanmanuelperezlago5030 25 днів тому +1

    Ah yes! The Ceeblaster

  • @jocal9125
    @jocal9125 22 дні тому

    Hey Ian I'd love to hear what you think about Brandon's AK-50

  • @cheguevara3392
    @cheguevara3392 18 днів тому

    Ian
    You have to tell the people the pre "Soviet Union collapse and the changes afterwards"!

  • @martinkineavy9039
    @martinkineavy9039 2 дні тому

    Headstamp book r out my and many other price range

  • @0Defensor0
    @0Defensor0 25 днів тому

    So... you have a book about Hungarian guns, written by a Hungarian guy. Is it available in Hungarian too?

  • @JamesHammond-ku2nc
    @JamesHammond-ku2nc 25 днів тому +5

    Hello

  • @slick3129
    @slick3129 25 днів тому +1

    So the Iraqi rifles were "never fired and only dropped once"?

  • @HarryMollyNut
    @HarryMollyNut 19 днів тому +1

    Anyone wanna guess how many bodies that Syrian gun has on it ??

  • @marianpe5773
    @marianpe5773 25 днів тому +2

    'UA-camrs rifle: AK-50 'Mother Lover' 50cal when?😅

  • @nekoangie7374
    @nekoangie7374 25 днів тому

    Why not use the same stock mechanism as the amd 65 but with a wood stock shorten the barrel to the amd and done same wood furniture everything just side folding wood stock and front end

    • @BunyipDude
      @BunyipDude 23 дні тому

      Not sure if it was a factor in the Hungarian Defence Forces’ decision, but personally, I think the AMD-65 stock sucks and is really uncomfortable to fire shouldered. I don’t love AK underfolders, either (like the AK-63D has), but they’re way better than the AMD-65 stock.

    • @nekoangie7374
      @nekoangie7374 17 днів тому

      I meant use a wood stock but same way of folding

    • @nekoangie7374
      @nekoangie7374 17 днів тому

      But i do agree the stock on a amd sucks i was think side folding wood stocks

  • @SteinerArts
    @SteinerArts 25 днів тому

    Wasn't this type of AK also used as a prop in Rambo II?

    • @BunyipDude
      @BunyipDude 25 днів тому

      No, “Rambo II” was done with Egyptian Maadi ARM rifles from the Stembridge Gun Rentals arsenal, which were the same guns that Stembridge originally bought for “Red Dawn.” The SA-85M, the version imported to the U.S., didn’t start being imported until shortly after the movie’s production.

    • @christopherhazell420
      @christopherhazell420 24 дні тому +1

      As for the appearance of the AMD-65 in Rambo III, this portion was flimed in Israel, so this was a captured weapon from Lebanon.

    • @BunyipDude
      @BunyipDude 23 дні тому

      @@christopherhazell420 Oh, yeah, I wonder if that’s what this guy was asking about? And yeah, the Israeli government captured a lot of AMD-65s from PLO and Syrian forces in Lebanon, which ended up being given to the movie industry in Israel. Those are the guns which appeared in “Rambo III” and “Red Scorpion” (among other productions).

    • @christopherhazell420
      @christopherhazell420 23 дні тому

      SteinerArts, Rambo II was flimed in Thailand, so plenty of AK's were available for use. *Not sure if some weapons (such as the AKM, you refer too) were shipped in from the states for the production.

    • @BunyipDude
      @BunyipDude 23 дні тому

      @@christopherhazell420 Actually, "Rambo II" was filmed in Mexico. The guns were supplied by Stembridge Gun Rentals (including the Maadi AKs that I mentioned in my previous comment) and temporarily exported to Mexico for filming.

  • @Moeflyer6213
    @Moeflyer6213 25 днів тому +3

    Then what rifle is the Hungarian Army using today?

    • @DarkSideKyp
      @DarkSideKyp 25 днів тому +5

      Bren 2

    • @dman23827
      @dman23827 25 днів тому +6

      Czech Bren 2

    • @willyvereb
      @willyvereb 25 днів тому +9

      AK-63D, mostly. For the record AK-63F just means it has a wooden stock instead of having a "paratrooper" folding stock (D is for "desszant" which is a loanword associated with paratroopers). The actual name of the post 1980s AK-63s is AMM (Automata Modernizált Magyarosított AKA Automatic Modernized Hungarized).
      7,700 AMMs were upgraded by FÉG as the AK-63MF. The process was notoriously expensive and FÉG went bankrup (although mostly for other reasons). I don't know about the quantity of CZ Bren 2 models but most likely the Hungarian Defense Force has at least a few thousand of them. Potentially way more but I'm cautious since in 2018 CZ estimated they are going to produce 14,000 rifles by 2023 (which is the closest to a hard number I found by a quick search).
      In conclusio the Hungarian Defense Force has a mix of:
      - old AK-63D and AK-63F rifles
      - modernized yet old AK-63MF rifles
      - CZ Bren 2 rifles
      - bunch of AMD-65s still in stock
      In total the Hungarian Defense Force has 38,000 people so I doubt there are enough CZ Bren 2 rifles for everyone at the moment.

    • @wills2140
      @wills2140 25 днів тому +1

      Just have to say : that is a very complete and well communicated answer, with good detailed information!

    • @shotya9403
      @shotya9403 16 днів тому

      Also there are plans on making hungarian weapons series, they are still in testing phases.
      G224 LMG - high priority as of now as the hungarian special forces only have the 249 for support fire role.
      G9SMG
      G9HSP
      G40GL
      G224AR
      The main focus of this series is to develop something in house 100%
      Hungarian design
      Hungarian production lines

  • @stefanmolnapor910
    @stefanmolnapor910 25 днів тому

    ❤️🇭🇺❤️🇭🇺❤️🇭🇺

  • @jblee8298
    @jblee8298 25 днів тому +1

    Ak processor with 1 less bit architecture and without internal graphics processing unit : ak63f

  • @sergiualex8832
    @sergiualex8832 25 днів тому

    "Modern wood furniture" ,what s modern abt wood ? =))))))

  • @larrymarsico4059
    @larrymarsico4059 25 днів тому

    🙌💪☝️🤙

  • @veselinjokanovic3032
    @veselinjokanovic3032 25 днів тому

    That gun probably has taken a soul or two 💀