SA-85S: FEG Adapts the Hungarian AK for American Import
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Hungary began importing semiautomatic civilian versions of FÉG's AK-63D into the United States in the 1980s. As more restrictions were put on importation, the models had to change several times to remain legal. The pattern produced between 1990 and 1994 was the SA-85S with a thumbhole stock, and a total of 24,500 of them were imported during this period.
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Hey forgotten weapons have you noticed that the AK-47 is the best gun in the world🌎🌍 it was made by a guy named Kyle Kalashnikov inventor of the AK-47
I like this gun but it's very nice 😎👌
They might not be tactical but thumbhole stocks just look cool to me. They modernize the silhouette of older rifles and, topped with an optic, give off an irresistible DMR vibe.
This specific stock is actually VERY comfortable to shoulder, despite the grip being very thick
I want Ian to review an ADAR 2-15 from Tarkov lol
Looks like hunting rifle lol
I had a thumb hole stocked Arsenal, and it was painful to shoot for me. The thumbhole slammed into my web of my hand. Of course, I was shooting a lot at a time, so there’s that.
I'm irrationally in love with the VSS for many reasons but the stock is number one. 9x39 integrally suppressed? Sick. Kalashnikov inspired platform? Getting harder. That stock? I came 5 minutes ago.
The SVAL is arguably the better gun but it doesn't have that stock.
My father, being Hungarian, saw the 1st SA85M back in late 1985 at Turner's Sporting Goods store in Culver City, California for $339.99 and he just had to have it.
When the 90's came around, we found more of them but in the post ban dumbhole configuration sadly. They were about $219.99 but still included a decent sling and a 5 round magazine but you can see in the box that it was meant to include 3 30 rd magazines, a cleaning kit and sling. Trying to find a pre-ban SA85m, they hit almost $2000!
Since the expiration of the AWB,I have converted those thumbholes back to preban glory thanks to AK63F parts kits.
Great looking rifles no matter what. Great video.
I live right next to culver city!
aha
$120 off for the ban, wow! And all you had to do was to switch out to pre ban parts and it's all there
damn that's cheap holy moly
Both my parents were Hungarian. They came to USA after the 1956 revolution. Not sure how my dad got out but my mom had help escaping across the border into Austria. She was only 16 years old.
Something about that wooden stock/grip setup is so aesthetically pleasing.
The funny thing is that when these started coming in folks HATED it! I was selling during the Brady ban, things were ridiculous
Very Norinco
A little bit of embellishment on the stock/handguards, like factory-punk or soviet-punk would look rad as hell.
Like Cosmo Kramer once said "it's the wood that makes it good!"
And illegal in Kommiefornia.. **sigh**
No idea why the thumbhole stock is considered ugly. Looks great IMO.
I love it
favourite
was thinking the same thing
If I had to guess it's more the baggage they carry than their actual look. I imagine most just dislike them because of how their forced onto regulated guns, and therefore view non thumbhole configurations as being better
For me, it was more about how the government is dictating which product I am allowed to have and how it should look. For me, in my early 20's back in the 90's and seeing the dumbhole stock, it was a lesson in how our government works.
Aaah Wood and steel like its supposed to be
Dear Gun Jesus… Mr. Brandon Herrera’s AK50 reaction video please and a formal history and mechanics episode on the AK50 too.
I Second this
Ian doing a dissasembly video on the AK 50 would probably benefit both him and Brandon, its a cool idea
is Brandon getting phone calls from a certain mid European country ( backdoor of dourse?
Mah little Hungarian heart is melting for all the Hungarian AK variants on show lately :D
Headstamp Publishing is well on its way to becoming a serious powerhouse in our rather extensive community of firearms interested readers here in the English speaking world. It's rather fun to watch happen, as an old school fan of Forgotten Weapons and Ian's work generally.
Still have one of these, now with Magpul furniture. Surprisingly accurate little rifle.
I’ve got one of these that I put an original stock and grip on. The fit and finish on these are so much nicer than what the Romanians and Chinese offered. It also feels lighter than my SAR1 and shoots better as well.
If people back then thought those stocks were hideous, Id love to show them one of the CA compliant AK/AR stocks.
Ian!! We all love you over here at SARCO, thank you for ordering a few items, I myself am a lover of French rifles, if you ever need any parts or anything just give us a call! And ask for the french rifle guy lol.
Fricking early gang reporting for duty
Reporting for duty!
Where are the rest?
Reporting!
Here
O7
My first AK was a thumbhole from Arsenal, then I got one of these, blast from the past!
The SA-85S has got to be a very interesting firearm with an odd-looking stock that helps it stand out from other Hungarian AK variants. Thanks for showing it to us Ian.
It’s so good to see a ton of FÉG (Fegyver és Gépgyár) guns here and never ever seeing one here in Hungary. (Please edit the title to FÉG)
Unfortunately, if I use "É" in the title it doesn't show up when people search for "FEG", and that's what almost everyone in the English-speak world would use.
@@ForgottenWeapons Yeah, real shame.
Bojler eladó.
@@ForgottenWeapons that seems like a pretty big oversight on google's part, considering that in normal google search it literally doesn't give a fuck so long as you use similar characters in english, it knows exactly what you meant with all the right spelling (because it asks you "did you mean ******?") every time I ask it anything in another language that uses some form of Latin alphabet. They could easily impart that same functionality onto youtube's search algorithm but they haven't. I bet you that you could even use normal google search to search youtube for it that way and it would work properly! The fact that youtube does not do it natively is a shame.
Honestly it's pretty sweet looking I wouldn't mind it something different looking on what is a very well known rifle
Had one of these. It was beautiful, but I wanted a Scope on it, and I wanted a JP Performance Muzzle Brake on it. It was threaded and then dead pinned.
It was smooth but loud. The existing after market Scope mount was a project of trepidation, as there was some rule about any additional hole in the receivers. It got done. Still was a beautiful example, and shot nicely.
KBI also brought in most of the FEG hipower variants during that same time period. Some of which they sold under the Charles Daly brand.
The threaded muzzle and bayonet lug ban really improved things on top of pistol grip and folding stock ban.
Back in the 1990s, we absolutely loathed the thumbhole stocks. Now... they aren't so bad.
I have one of these with the classical furniture. 82' production, still factory packed when i bought it.
In a recent video (I believe it was on the 'Classic firearms' channel) Ian mentioned that he was approached by officials from an unnamed country if he wanted to make some new videos using their stuff. I am beginning to suspect that the unnamed country was my home, Hungary. This is the 4th, 5th or I don't know video of Hungarian guns in the past week or two.
So glad to see some of my people's history on the channel!
Well he is also trying to promote the book as well, Ian has said whenever he goes somewhere he films a slew of videos and releases them periodically. He learned this from the bergman series where we had like 9 days of the same family of gun,
thumbhole stocks like that are going to become cool. nostalgia and retro vibes become valuable
At 4:21 you say "...they couldn't have a thumbhole stock..." but I think you meant to say "...they couldn't have a pistol grip stock..." The advent of the thumbhole stocks was a ploy to get around the ban on pistol grip stocks.
That is a beauty of an AK. Thank you IAN for another history lesson on an iconic rifle.
I like thumbhole stocks, they're aesthetically pleasing and that's a moral imperative
Wow, a gun I have. Got mine in '95. I love the stock. Fashioned a red dot mount over the gas tube, and installed an adjustable trigger. Sweet
Another Great Video Ian 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Owned one for years...great accurate rifle. The recoil felt really manageable too.
If only you posted this a week earlier I could have used this for my country presentation for Hungary in school
Since you are doing alot of AKs atm how about a little video about the AK50 ? xD
I'm just glad we are getting the bonus section on the AMP grenades.
I remember the 2000. I was trying to remember who did the single stack ak the other day and couldn't think of it to save my life
I used to be able to pick those up for $275 brand new in Butler Georgia for many years. They must’ve bought 50 of those things.
Wow, good job! You inspire me!
I LIKE that stock! It looks funky, but i like it.
Expecting US politicians to pass any laws on firearms is like asking a kindergarten glue eater to write a guide to a balanced diet. Neither one knows anything at all about the subject matter, and will just go with the feels.
I got an NHM-90 in that era and the thumb hole stock was so bad I spent a week with files, then sandpaper and formed it to my hand grip in the evenings. Stained all the wood arctic blue
So, slight error, but the F in the AK-63F stands for Fa tus, or wooden stock. The under folder was the AK-63D for deszant or paratrooper.
"Young whipper snappers" lmfao
I actually like that style of stock for AKs for the looks.
Thank you for this information. I have a Kassnar FEG SA-85 m underfolder with bayonet. No box unfortunately. I will have to find that book.
I owned one when they first came out here during the early AWB years. I traded it off, and it's one of my great regrets of those years. Yes, the stock was a bit goofy, but it was a good rifle.
I get the impression looking at AK disasembly close-ups that an AK and a Last Ditch AK would be indistinguishable from each other.
Ian I’ve watched your videos for awhile did u ever say what your favorite all time firearm is?
Norinco reconfigured the stock with a thumb hole, renamed it a MAK-90 when the first assault weapons ban went into effect. They shipped in a couple of million before the ATF figured out what Norinco did and added it to the ban. I enjoy mine.
Ducking the pistol grip ban...so THAT'S where the thumbholes came in. THEY were later banned as a marker of 'paramilitary' guns.
I actually really like the stock and grip on this.
I have this model, and can confirm that the thumbhole stock is very comfortable to shoot with.
My dad has one of these, it still has the optic dust-cover it came with
I actually like the way the stock looks.
I thought Mak 90 was the only ones who did the thumb hole stock. Learn something new everyday.
Everyone got in on it. I've had thumbhole AKs from Bulgaria, China, Egypt, Hungary, Russia & Romania.
@@donwyoming1936Thanks Old Bill for that.
Alright this AK has some of that drip.
I could see somebody today making new mags for the 2000s with a short single stack leading to a double stack mag
That is one gorgeous rifle! Thanks as always Ian.
I had one of these in the mid-90s.
the Ban is now "Retro Cool".. lol
I'm old... 😂
That is actually a really nicely made stock, very clean.
I definitely don't miss those goofy stocks
They are niche and highly sought after these days. People like to rebuild the ban era models for nostalgia
@@Anon-greyman back in the day we used to throw them out and put proper ones on them from parts kits. Funny how things change.
@@alexholdren4009 the underfolder is my personal favorite
stocks like this look so good on the ak's.
I also have a SA2000M.
It is of same high quality AK made by FEG.
I'm currently in the process of converting my mak90 got a galil style stock and just and pistol grip for now
4:18 Could not have a thumbhole stock???
My buddy has one of those. The Monte Carlo stock is on a shelf in his garage covered in dust.
I'm not sure what it was supposed to accomplish.
My only problem with the stock is it's a bit lumpy and not as streamlined as it could be, and it's a touch darker than the fore-end furniture. Personally I dig the style though
Holy shit thats one unique rifle
Is it ok to unskrew those from wood?? Won't the holes get wider and stop holding the screw properly?
I wonder how many took off the thumb hole stock and put on a proper grip and stock?
My first firearm bought in ‘95 and still sitting right here in the safe
I got a mak90 with a ban-era black polymer stock that looks similar to a dragunov stock (not quite exact, but pretty close) with an inch thick rubber extension on it and it's COMFY. I was gonna change it after I bought it but opted not to since it's more comfortable than anything else I could put on it.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it
I've always wondered why some semi auto AK variants have safety stops that prevent the safety from entering a traditional semi auto setting. Essentially turning the full auto notch to a semi auto notch when others just don't have a stop for full auto and allow the safety to fully rotate.
My FEG Hi Power was imported by KBI. I wonder if it was at the same time.
Ian - my 1st "AK" was a Clinton ban-era Norinco Mak-90. Unfortunately, the thumb hole stock on it looked awful (unlike this Hungarian one) and was terrible to shoot with.
Anyone else getting serious eye-pull from the pistol right behind Ian’s head?
I like the stock, I hate the wood not matching the handguard.
Some of your older videos are marked as private now. The ones I was really interested in were the World War II British ration series
Sorry - those are no longer under my control, and Karl at InRange has hidden them out of pettiness.
Can you review the ACR?
Please do a video of the Intrac II, queen of trigger slap!
Thanks enjoyed , I remember those from way back then. Goofy looking rifle.
Usually, I give the guys on this kind of venue a pass when they cock up the political process involved in something. Most seem to have a ginormous blindspot when it comes to politics. However, a review of the basic workings of the United States Federal Government seems to be in order here. Before any legislation can be enacted, it must first pass the legislative branch of the government. This branch is composed of the House of Representatives and the Senate. Both of these entities are composed of legislators elected by bote in each individual state. Then the potential law is passed on to the Executive branch of the government where it can either be signed or vetoed by the president. With the exception of some very specific circumstances, the president DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ENACT LAWS WITHOUT CONSULTING WITH THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF THE GOVERNMENT. I learned this more than 50 years ago in primary school government class. The system hasn't changed since then. Although the level of stupidity in the average citizen seems to have increased. "Bush senior" was the final step in a long line of steps leading to the ban mentioned in the video. Don't believe me? Go ahead, Google it. Details matter.
Today's brain teaser :
Find the word " sporting " , ANYWHERE in our Constitution or it's numerous Amendments .
Have fun .
Problem is your wrong, congress can create regulatory agency's which then can act under the direction of the president within the range of power allotted by congress.
And this is a good thing, otherwise quite literally nothing would ever get done, if it was not for agencys like the EPA stepping in and passing blanket rulings than we might still have leaded gasoline, which was a real problem, some states would ban it but congress was unable to get it done FOR OVER 20 YEARS, because hold out states.
A regulatory agency passing a ruling under presidential direction is not "Enacting laws without consulting congress" because the regulatory agency's range of power is directly given by congress, explicitly for that purpose.
Like you said, details matter
Man your not old. If you're old I'm old. Wait. Damn. We're old. Ok continue.
I like that stock!
I have handeled one and I found the stock is very comfortable. Much better than the Bulgarian SA 93's.
Wasn't this model used in the movie commando or was that an RPK?
Reminds me of Arnie's thumb-hole stock AK from Commando
Oh that’s right!! He did have one.
We converted a Romanian 99.1 to accept standard double stack magazines. Worked out great.
Oh hey, I have one of those!
their op-rod doesn't have a little bendy part in the middle. I'm not an AK guy by any stretch, but I've field stripped one or two in my life and always thought that was a neat feature. Why don't these ones have that?
I remember seeing theese at gun shows when I was a child.
Its not a bad looking riffle just hope something similar doesn't happen again.... 😂😂😂 🤙
That bayonet plug restriction seems strange. Here's a gun, it shoots bullets, but you can't put a knife into it, someone might get hurt?
I always wondered, isn’t the bottom part of those thumbhole stock a weak point? If it breaks does the gun become illegal?
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This is how I had to buy an AK during the late 90’s only mine was Chinese Norinco.
epic gun and Commando movie with it!
Some things just don't change.
Your description of the legal situation is wrong, Kalashnikovs were banned by name in 1994, but what happened is that in 1998 ATF changed the legal definition of something importable under 925(d)(3) to ban semi-auto rifles that used large capacity military magazines. Ergo the SA2000. Not sure that KBI actually did stop importing the SA-85 until then, because ATF didn't consider sporterized guns to be "copies or duplicates" of banned guns and certainly other companies imported them with double-stack magazines up until 1998. And thumbhole stocks weren't the only way to do it, the PSG-1 and SG550 Sniper for example were legal to import up until 1998.
looks kinda like a ChiCom NHM-90... how retro..
Thumbhole stocks are almost cool looking. I feel like they just need a little more work and they'd look alright.
Some crazy firearms regulations in the US, but at least you can own military style (or any gun), in your country.