Rome (HBO) - Death of Caesar
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2022
- The assasinasion of Julius Ceasar is surely known to be one of the most significant point of the Roman Republic. This event brought about not only a domestic disturbance but also led Octavian feel a great distrust to the Senate. After the assasinion, people of Rome banished Brutus and others who planned the incident which also is the begining of the Octavian's era which is also called "Pax Romana".
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I like how he doesn’t actually say “you too Brutus?” But instead conveys the sense of betrayal with his facial expression and eyes.
I think using “you too Brutus” or “et tu brute” is seen as a bit of a cliche nowadays most modern versions of caesars dearth I’ve seen don’t include it. I think there’s also a debate about whether it was actually said at all. But you’re right I can’t remember the actors name for the life of me but the look he gives Brutus is absolutely stellar acting
Gaius (Caius) Julius Caesar said to Brutus in Greek,"you too child !"
There is suspicion that Marcus Brutus was GJC's illegitimate son.
"Et tu, Brute?" Is an invention of Shakespeare.
@@JohnnyRico118 Indeed
I love how clumsy Caesar's assassination was portrayed. True to history, it was incredibly sloppy but Caesar keeled over anyway because even though his killers were a bunch of politicians who never held a weapon before, he was still one unarmed man against a dozen armed assailants. He was stabbed about 23 times but only one was fatal and he died from blood loss.
To emphasize how clumsy those senators were, the majority of the wounds was inflicted after Caesar bled out, and many of them settled with dipping their knives in his blood pool so it'd look like they were actually putting effort into killing Caesar.
Except during the republic, most senators had spent time in the military as it was lowkey a requirement for a political career. I can't remember whether or not it was outright mandatory during this time. Either way, most senators would have done at least the bare minimum of military service. Most of the stabs were probably unnecessary and done only as a symbolic gesture, to show that they were just as much a part of the conspiracy as the specific men who actually killed Caesar.
Some even accidentally stabbed each other trying to stab Caesar, now how does that happen
@@royalhero4608maybe it wasn’t accidental or in the killing frenzy everything can happen people die at concerts for the crowd imagine 30 knives randomly swinging in a fight
Actually, the scene is mostly, but not quite accurate. Caesar was autopsied after his death, and his is one of the oldest known recorded autopsies in existence today. (It's in Rome's archives). Of all the conspirators present, when it came time to act, only a handful actually attacked Caesar. He was only stabbed about 8 - 10 times . . . while he was ALIVE! Most of the wounds were inflicted after his death. The active assassins insisted that all the others present, who had stood by and watched, stab him as well, "one-for-all and -all-for-one", and all that. Those wounds were mostly superficial. Only one was absolutely fatal, a wound directly to the heart. And Brutus stabbed Caesar last and stabbed him in the groin. (OUCH!)
@@klat2baraada579 He was stabbed five times while alive I believe, and only one of those, the second or third wound, was fatal. The 18 other wounds were dealt while he was already dead, by senators who would be part of the assassination albeit symbolically.
From all the versions of Julius Caesar' death. This one depicts the reality, or resemble that brutal moment. My hat off to the actor who performed in a brilliant and realistic way that moment of history. This actor deserves an Oscar.
José... it was a TV series, not a movie. Therefore, no one involved was eligible for an Oscar. An Emmy or maybe a Golden Globe award. But not an Oscar. And the series did win several Emmys in a variety of categories. Surprisingly, no one won any awards for their acting in the series. But I agree, Ciaran Hinds brought great skill to his portrayal of Julius Caesar.
@@brucemacmillan9581 Thanks for your opinion and comment. Hollywood has their protocol. And protocols can be broken as it was broken in the Nobel Prize for literarure that was given to Bob Dylan. What a musician has to do with literature? None.
All I know is that the Oscar goes to the excellence in performance or acting. He acted in a t.v. series; we know, and he portrayed the best Caesar in all history of Hollywood.
Blessings.
@@josewalterbenitez2309 I very much enjoyed Ciaran Hinds' portrayal of Julius Caesar. I can't think of anyone who's done it better. However, I'm pretty sure he wasn't eligible for an Oscar. Series, and those that act in them are not included as a category when it comes to the Academy Awards. Only movies. Tho perhaps the Academy should revise their rules in that regard. Why Ciaran Hinds wasn't nominated for an Emmy, I don't know. It seems the show didn't generate too many nominations for most of the acting talent involved.
@@brucemacmillan9581Thanks Bruce, I didn't know the name of the actor, which you name it in your comment. Ciaran Hinds look of terror, pain, devastation and dissaponting are expressed in his eyes while been attacked by his "friends and colleagues."
Superb acting by Hinds.
Blessings.
@@josewalterbenitez2309 One thing to keep in mind about the real Julius Caesar: his campaigns in Gaul were very brutal, and his legions killed large numbers of the populace in their quest to expand Roman territory. It was a matter of some controversy among certain senators who wanted to hold him to account for his actions in this regard. So, one should not feel excessively sad about Caesar's fate, considering his murderous campaigns in Gaul. Live by the sword, die by the sword, as they say.
The tragic fact is, according to some sources, Caesar got a bad omen the night before, and his wife (IIRC) told him to cancel the meeting, a runner that was to inform Caesar barely missed him in his home to inform him of the assassination plot, and someone did the same by handing Caesar a letter, but he slipped it inside his sleeve to read it later.
It's like everything tried to stop him to end up like this, but fate says otherwise.
I love the way Caesar is portrayed in this series.
I love how all characters are portrayed. Unlike most historical movies there are no evil or good characters, all characters are having their virtues and vices. Just like it really is in real world.
@@TheRealDarrylStrawberry Is it? I only remember Caesar
@@FredrikSkievan Brutus too. It’s also like a GOT reunion
Ciaran Hinds was acting his ass off as Caesar.
@@DynastyLuminous46 I concur as he never seems to disappoint, except in the second Ghost Rider movie. Then again that whole thing was a mess.
Senators: “we saved the Roman Republic!”
Enters Octavius
They were idiots. Absolute grade A, fourteen-carat, diamond-studded fools. Caesar only rose to power because the Roman republic was breaking down and making someone like him inevitable. Killing him did not magically restore the republic, it just created a power vacuum, and -- as predictably as the sun rising in the east -- other men (the second triumvirate) moved in to fill that vacuum.
Octavius: allow me to introduce myself
Octavian not octavius
@@tomsouthan7784Well, up until this point, he was Gaius Octavius Thurinus, since he had not been formally adopted into the Julii Caesares as Caesar’s son. He’s just called Octavian all throughout the show bc simplification.
@@JT-st9yj I'm not sure you can prove that considering on all formal documents he would have been called Octavian and later Augustus and it's unlikely that a personal document would have survived over 2000 years
"How many ages hence
Shall this our lofty scene be acted over
In states unborn and accents yet unknown"
Somebody gonna make a Caesar reenactment on Mars when we become an interplanetary species
I'm glad they made Cesare not say anything, the look in his eye his all you need.
he certainly never uttered - and you, Brutus, against me?
You don't get anything like this anymore. The shows now are rubbish compared to this. Bring this back. series 3.
BUT HOW ?
FALL OF ROME?
Well said. Only a few good series like this (John Adams comes to mind)
@@Div303 Trajan
Make Rome great again.
You must be mad, this show DODN’T MAKE EVEN HALF THE MONEY THAT WAS PUT INTO IT, that is why it was cancelled, also how they gonna bring it back after one of the main characters has now died sadly, it won’t happen, when it was on people DIDN’T watch it and instead waited until they could download it instead, THIS IS WHAT KILLED IT, (1) IT DIDN’T MAKE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY POURED INTO IT AND (2) PEOPLE DIDN’T WATCH IT LIVE,THEY JUST DOWNLOADED ITAT A LATER DATE, these 2 things alone were the death of it
I’ve been made to understand that he covered his face as it was shameful at the time to show your death face, or death mask. So he tried to cover his own face with his own clothes because none of the cowards there would do it for him
was wondering why he was trying to cover his face or if it was even intentional at all
@@libertyforoneandall yea as far as I know that’s why, in Rome it was known as disgraceful to not cover your face when dying. Not sure why, I’ll look into it more and get back to you on here.
Quite so: a patrician to the end.
That’s false, Romans took death masks and actually wore their ancestors masks at funerals.
The romans did have a religious concept of “capite velato” where the head was covered for sacrifice
@@elliotroden9926 oh okay, thanks for sharing your knowledge! The person who taught me about Roman history was a half crazy/ half drunk teacher of mine who taught me Latin, we translated Aeneid by Virgil together haha. So my facts may be skewed
Imagine Vorenus being there. There where enough senators to kill him and Caesar. But it would have been a crazy bloodbath.
Vorenus and Antony would have made it a lot tougher. Imagine if Pullo was there as well.
@@86blackberrywhite Vorenus, Pullo, and Caesar would've probably been a fair fight against all those senators lmao. Assuming at least one of them was armed.
@@86blackberrywhite Caesar,Vorenus,Anthony and Pullo together probably have kill all those snakes instead...
@@josephmurphy6127 Those Senators look like a bunch of pussy nerds or something. Vorenus would've kicked their asses with his "superior swordsmanship" or just badassery. Let alone if they had Antony or god forbid PULLO! Omg, they would've gotten wrecked. Flawless victory
@@86blackberrywhite “skinny men shouldn’t play with knives. THIRTEEN!”
You realize that the show is good just by the main cast and some scenes, which are masterfully executed.
That look at 3:55 is so heart breaking...
Basically "Et tu, Brute", but without anything being said.
Caesar took many genocide,live with word ,die with sord
The betrayal from the one you raised and loved as your own son. I'm glad Brutus ended straight into the mouth of the devil
The way they are so sloppy & hesitant at getting started with the assassination made it feel very 'real'... like it pretty much made me feel like I was there
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Well, of these in particular
"Caesar’s last words were not ‘Et tu, Brute’, but ‘Kai su, teknon’, literally ‘You too, child’. Scholars argue it was not an exclamation of surprise, but a curse or threat and suggest the following translations: ‘You too, die!’, ‘Back atcha!’, and ‘See you in hell, punk’."
He said it in Greek? Interesting.
@@theathea3064 Yes, Greek was a prestige language that was very common among the upper classes
There's a theory that "You too, child" was the first half of a Greek saying that was so deeply embedded in Roman culture by that point in time, that everyone knew what the second half is.
The full statement would have (roughly) been "You too, my child, shall one day experience power". It turns Caesar's statement from "you're betraying me too?!?!?" into more of "you'll see what it's like to be me right now soon". I like that interpretation much more.
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Surat al-Tawbah (Chapter of the Repentance)
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اشهد ان لا اله الا الله وحده لا شريك له، له الملك و له الحمد، يحي و يميت و هو حي لا يموت، بيده الخير و هو على كل شيئ قدير.
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Of course You "Modern Greeks" trying to rewrite History yet again.... And, if you knew what You we're talking about you'd know after being stabbed so many times in the upper body, You wouldn't be able to speak due to the pain and damage. AND Latin was the main language, and many Ancient Romans despised Greek culture and tongue.. So nice try Narcissistic "Modern Greek" 😂😂🤷🙄
I liked Ciaran's portrayal so much that part of me hoped the series would end before the assassination.
I still say to every one of the assassins (except Brutus) "Pompey and Julius were both were ten of you!"
I don't know how factual the portrayal of Pompey in this show was but I can't really picture him agreeing to have Caesar assassinated, in the Senate or anywhere else.
In anywise, Brutus seemed to be the only one in this show acting because he believed Julius to be a threat to Rome, everyone else seemed to be doing it out of petty jealousies or ambitions.
Pompey was an interesting man but it is somewhat difficult to get a read on him. He was often viewed by his contemporaries as weak-willed and even foolish. There is some evidence to believe his cognomen 'Magnus' or 'the great' was meant in irony. Even so it is very difficult to look at his life and achievements and conclude he was anything other than highly competent, at least in military matters.
I don't agree in the slightest. We don't see much of other senators, but Cassius was definitely concerned about the Republic, and he fought and died for it.
Pompey would have been likely the most keen to do that. He got his reputation and power by killing many political allies of a previous dictator, Sulla. He even got the Moniker "Blood Boy" because of his ruthlessness to Sullas political enemies as a young man.
legend says his final words were"and you my son"
I thought they were "Name a salad after me".
"Tu quoque, brute, fili mi"
@@alexfilma16 xD
@@alexfilma16 nah I think it was "build a casino in Las Vegas after me"
“Et tu, Brute?”
"Traitoro was a traitor?"
Duh!
One could argue that Brutus' actions were less 'I want to murder/overthrow Caesar' and more 'The poor bastard was suffering due to the sloppiness of the assassins blades and I wanted to end his pain'.
"Look how they massacred my boy."
It's pretty interesting how they gave the Sic Semper Tyranis to Cassius
Historically it was Cassius who was always at the center of the Caesar assassination plots. Caesar: 'He has a Lean & Hungry look about him"...."thus always to tyrants"
As dramatic as this is, there are a few inaccuracies with this scene. The assasination happened in the Theater of Pompey since the Senate was being renovated for Caesar's new senators from Gaul (which is a bit ironic that he died in the theater named after his friend turned enemy) and only roughly five senators actually stabbed him (two of the wounds were fatal) as the rest hesitated or were in shock at what the rest were doing.
What a time when politicians got their hands dirty and did the work themselves
Around 60 people agreed to stab Julius Caesar. At the end of it, Caesar's body only had 23 stab wounds. Even back then, not all the members for a group project would do their part.
Most of Romes Emperor's where in fact murdered in office....
This scene is so well composed. I've seen many stage versions - they can be pretty good if they use enough blood, but camera work and close-ups can add so much.
Julius Caesar: "Et tu, Brute?"
Nothing of this quality will ever be made again.
He had showed them mercy and they killed him for it
Beyond inspiration
Kudos to everyone involved in this
I can’t believe Edmund Tulley would betray the King Beyond the Wall like that.
Some historians say Caesar was well aware of the plot that day and decided to use it politically as well as logically as his seizures were getting worse into his 50s. Image is everything and having the corrupt political establishment kill him, not only proves Caesar's point, but makes Caesar look like a martyr for the people, a hero, which destroyed any perception of him being a tyrant. He already had his affairs in order prior to being murdered and knew that Octavian would make good on both avenging him and changing the political landscape that nearly destroyed Rome. It's safe to say that without them, those corrupt Senators would've destroyed the Republic given a few more decades.
That is some of the boldest Caesarian propaganda I have heard so far. Caesar was the one who pretty much broke every Roman law, used the rotten institutions to his advantage and destroyed the republic. I'd also be interested in which way he was less corrupt than most of the other senators. If you can even call it corruption, because buying political support and extracting wealth from provinces was a normal and accepted part of the Roman political system. Btw at his death Caesar was the wealthiest man on earth. It doesn't even compare to Bezos or Musk.
I don't think so. Plus the fact that young Octavian prevailed is astonishing. Turns out the guy was a genius but he was 19 years old or something battling giants like Cicero and Antony.
@@georgesotiriou7051 He had Agrippa and much of Caesar's men that were not loyal to Antony.
@@jaobidan2358 Would you bet at the time that Octavian would prevail?
@@georgesotiriou7051 Marcus Agrippa was a military and a strategic genius, in addition to being a very skilled fighter, for his young age at that time...Without him, Octavian wouldn't have succeeded with such ease.
Look, not a single phone to be seen, just people living in the moment
Fun fact, a few days earlier Caesar had commented about how he wanted his death to be quick and sudden as opposed to wallowing in illness
I thought it was even the night before
This was the best show. I actually wrote a joke about Caesar’s death thats on my channel but my love for Roman History started with this show.
Can you imagine how it must've been for caesar? Not the stabbing but the deep feeling of betrayal?
Casca the one who tried to attack him first was a childhood friend, Brutus, as the son of his misstress, was well known to him and he basically saved his life by pardoning him when Brutus Sided with Pompey, cassius was a close friend ; they drank wine together and discussed a good part of the previous night and he wouldve been caesar's heir if octavian passed away before caesar.
And the other Brutus too Decimus was a close friend of his and he was the one that went to his house to convince him to go to the meeting that morning
Everything in this show was perfect, and the acting in it should be in acting classrooms
"Infamy, infamy - they've all got it in for me!"
Lictors out here carrying their fasces like an M16 rifle
Those guards with their BARs looks awesome.
This was fantastic history. A great show. Could have gone much longer. But it wasn’t Grand Theft Auto:(((((
3:50 Brutus: I'm......I'm sorry........
3:55 "Et tu, Brute?"
4:35 "Then fall, Caesar."
Comments: "The ACTUAL story is ..." (five differing versions). None of you know exactly how it happened. All right?
The original JFK.
Jack the Ripper killed JFK
you understand.
🇮🇹🤨Caesar was not a mad dictator who enjoyed his excessive power. In reality, the overwhelming power in Rome was held by the optimates, who six times killed the representatives of the plebs who wanted to complete the Agrarian Law. Cesare was the only one they could not kill, at least for that law.
The Assassination of Julius Caesar by Michael Parenti is an excellent read
He was not mad, but he was a Dictator, at least for a while. Was he a Dictator to cleanse the Republic of its flaws and Corruption, or for himself? I cannot say.
the way he is collapsing at the stairs is really disturbing , ciaran is a master of acting the greatest GAIUS IULIUS CAESAR ever.
et tu HBO? (betraying ROME for GOT)
Caesar is actually a very fit man for that matter.......
well he beat up gauls and pompeians
I felt bad for him 😓
Fucking hell. None of his boys were there. Executed perfectly.
I want to die like Caesar: surrounded by my friends and co-workers.
I think it was absolute genius in how it was handled in regards his reactions. From my readings, the 3 most likely things he said was (paraphrasing) "You cannot do this to Caeser in the senate" The old "et tu Brutus" and that he said nothing. What's great about this scene is that it accounts for all that with just incredible acting and body language.
Can I do it to you
Insted of et Tu Brutus, historians says he said "Kai tu, teknon." (You too, son."
The "Glory " of Rome. More like the gory of Rome. The "nobility of Rome, no more than gangsters in a modern day prison yard shanking. Our own Senate is not much different. Only the knives have changed.
I saw a great quote that said the dueling and violence in western politics was replaced with a new weapon: lawyers and lawsuits
@@crassustheelder9665 Didn't you run into a little problem with some Parthians at Carrhae?
@@oatnoid *a well thought out argument about how the attack would have worked, muffled by the sound of gold in my throat*
i loved this show more then game of thrones.one original hbo masterclass.10/10
Happy Ides of Martch everybody
wonder how the empire would look if caesar would have lived on.
Sad face Caesars last words was “ you to Brutus” before Brutus killed him
00:15 Jeez... at first glance I thought they were parading around with machine guns. D-:
In killing him they brought about the very thing they sought to prevent
Not really. Octavian would have still risen to the throne eventually.
@@peoplez129 Maybe but no one knows for sure how history plays out. Maybe Ceaser overstays himself and loses popular support ect. But we do know that in killing him it ended the republic.
@@peoplez129 idk ceasar being some martyr was huge, if they let him live maybe caesar would look weak for the epilepsis and maybe loose some power
@@peoplez129 Was Ceasar really politically unbeatable?
@@MidheimOfficial he was looked up to by the common folks. Something most Roman senators could only barely achieve. When you double romes mass and provide reforms that the people desire, you end up having people want you to be named king.
1:47 Think that is the actor who goes on to play "Tommy" Lascelles in The Crown.
And Prince Philip was Brutus.
RIP G.J.C emperator
He muffled up his face. The exact same reason Alexander the freat did. He was ashamed of his own pathetic people.
While not completely a good guy. They did kill the only thing they had going good.
What? A corrupt decadent country going out of its way to destroy the few good leaders they have left that are trying to rescue the nation from the brink of collapse and by doing so cementing their fate!? Impossible! Unheard of!!! That certainly never happens!!1!11!!!
Same with America recently. Now a senile pedo warmonger bleeds the country out
Shizaaaaa
1988 ROME JULES CÉSAR JULES REMI GOFFLO CÉSAR ROMAIN EMPIRE
1988 ROME JULES CÉSAR JULES REMI GOFFLO CÉSAR ROMAIN EMPIRE
Et tu Oly? (for the watch)
Wasn't the 1000 stabs that could kill Caesar, it was betrayal which finished him.
Plutarch reports that Julius Caesar’s last words were “Aaaaaaargh !!!”
His life slip-slided away
First time I watched, at 3:47 I kept waiting for Caesar to say it. Say it, say it SAY IT! But no luck!
...And in this act, the conspirators unwittingly provoked the birth of the Roman Empire.
Oops!
Didn't he die right under the statue of Pompey Magnus?
Correct.
The blood running between parts
wow. 👏👏👏
For the watch
Et tu Ollie
I'll trade ya' Game of Thrones S5-S8 for three more seasons of this.
S7-S10 in my opinion should be it
So we can get octavian/augustus's turn and get the war with cassius and brutus
Ah Italian politics....never changes....
You too brutus
If vorenus was there, he would have killed there first senator, and all the others would go running.
Why are they carrying riffles 😂
They were carrying fasces. A symbol of authority and power in ancient Rome. It is also used as a symbol for the Italian fascist movement and the American patriot front.
From here on, rome deserved its downfall. Rome killed Rome in the long run I say.
*Caesar
So dies the last chance for the Republic to crawl from its grave.
Kaizer tsar قيسر
Brotos where are you ? Come and help your best friend
Who’s here bc of Griffon?
Love the way they did ceaser but, this scene always sorta disappointed me, I felt it went by just a tad to fast.
Edit: also missed opportunity for "you too, my child?" If they wanted more historical accuracy with the dramatic feel of Shakespeare
I was waiting for Cesar to say Et Tu Brutus?
Some say he didnt actually say it.
0:09 since when do the Romans own rifles?
lmao those are ceremonial rods actually
Look up fasces on google. It’s the same symbol later copied by Mussolini. And it’s even used a lot in USA for example there are 2 fasces behind the rostrum in the house of chamber in the Capitol
"most significant point of the Roman Republic". How about the world.
The fall of Constantinople had a bigger impact than this
@@deathtoraiden2080 maybe but this event had an effect on Constantinople. But yes, the fall of Constantinople was a very influential event in human history
@@drfredostein4410 this event had no impact on Constantinople. What are you talking about?!
Hardly any impact on the world.
@@abdul-hadidadkhah1459 You are so wrong.
Who is the last person who stabed Caesar
Junius Brutus
It's not that they loved Ceasar less, it's that they love Rome more.
No they didn't IRL, the Roman Senators were all rich elites trying to protect their own wealth and status. None of them were as capable as leader or as generous to the Roman people as Cesar was.
They didn't simply Kill Caesar, on that day they killed the republic. Caesar death created a domino effect that ended up with the death of the republic less than 20 years later.
@@odeca8121 yes I know. That's a line from Shakespeare's play.
In fact; most of them didn't like Ceasar at all as most conspirators were ex Pompeians whom sided against Ceasar openly with Pompey. Ceasar just pardoned nearly everyone whom sided with Pompey because he wanted to avoid another Civil War by alienating those senators. After all he defeated Pompeians and Civil War essentially ended.
Only Brutus here might be affectionate to Ceasar as due to his mother being Ceasar's mistress for years,they had a close relationship.
Caesar was the best for Rome...
I disliked this video. It’s just to sad to see Cesar die.
OK I was expect'N the line "And U too Brutus"/!!!
Sic semper tyrannis!
avete caesaris
Et tu, Brute?
Why kill him l don't understand? ?!!
He was giving money to the poor and making the nobility useless
They were greedy and feared to lose power
They saw him as a dictator, which is ironic because they become the very thing they thought he would become. Also what's also ironic is Caeser himself was the least brutal ruler of Rome if you compare him to the other rulers. Nero and Caligula were literal monsters.
За цто у били майево брата и.друга.
if Julius had not been assassinated, Persia, Central Asia and Germany would have been new Roman provinces
Mare huye adami ko kyu maar rahe hon Brutus...?
That was one of the greatest mistakes in human history. They don't Rome to become a dictatorial state and yet they didn't know it was the absolute fate of rome. It's just like voldemort and harry.
voldemort and harry???? you aren't embarrassed at all by saying that!!! amazing. comparing one of the greatest mistakes in human history to a children's fairy tale
@@brians9508 I know right. What the fuc was that analogy?
Actually without Caesar's death and the ensuing events, the entirety of Western civilization would have turned out very much differently.
bad comparison buddy
@@therealestg9 you can't say that for certain though. Actually no one knows what would've happened if he lived because it happened 1000 years ago and there are so many factors to take in. You can't make a proper estimate of what could have happened. You are right that it would be different but that's a no Brainer. World War 2 would've been very different if Hitler had a heart attack during the invasion of poland, if he did though we truly don't know what would've happened next.