Abandoned John Deere 5010 gets a service and a field run!

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  • @philipsmith229
    @philipsmith229 Рік тому +21

    My buddy had a 5020 it was a beast. I'm glad to see someone that still farms the old way with old equipment.

  • @davewallen1540
    @davewallen1540 Рік тому +11

    I love the snipette at the ends of your videos!!!! Cracks me up!! Thanks JT

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому +2

      Thanks for staying around till the very end and noticing!

    • @corydriver7634
      @corydriver7634 Рік тому +3

      I second that. Always watch to the very end for the fun surprises. 😂

  • @gleanerk
    @gleanerk Рік тому +7

    JD 5010 rides again! Enjoyed watching JT !

  • @vncstudio
    @vncstudio Рік тому +3

    That tractor runs very smoothly! 🙂

  • @ccclc6159
    @ccclc6159 Рік тому +2

    neat tractor, and that disk was working nicely too, we usually put a chisel shank with a sweep in the center of the disk on older tandems to get that little strip

  • @genelegear5418
    @genelegear5418 9 місяців тому +3

    Gotta love it when you can save ole iron from the scrap iron heap. The problem is I love all ole iron tractors.....

  • @trucker447
    @trucker447 Рік тому +4

    Great videos jt. Good content awesome to see old iron up and running/working the land. COOL!!

  • @douglasmayherjr.5733
    @douglasmayherjr.5733 Рік тому +4

    Nice to see the old 5010 working again. Thanks for the Videos.

  • @richardmiels3402
    @richardmiels3402 Рік тому +7

    After a little cough and a fart it just "ran like a Deere"! Motor sounds really good and it pulls that implement so easily; another great find. After watching some of your countrymen prep for seeding earlier this year with their new debt machines (IVTs, electronics and solenoids for everything) I'm sure a few of then still waiting for service calls might feel a bit jealous. Thanks from Eyre Peninsula, South Australia.

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому +3

      I’ll bet they are! The old Deere is gonna be a good addition around here!

  • @lunepilot2874
    @lunepilot2874 Рік тому +3

    Another success JT 🇺🇸🇬🇧👍

  • @darrenhawken9766
    @darrenhawken9766 Рік тому +3

    Great work , and stylish JD with that cool cab 👍💨💨

  • @williammatzek4660
    @williammatzek4660 Рік тому +6

    My first tractor was a 5020 John Deere. We pulled 20 ft off set disc and 18 ft Chisel. We had the power to set it down and do the job!

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому +1

      Right on! This one seems to be a puller! Some new back skins sure wouldn’t hurt though lol

  • @corydriver7634
    @corydriver7634 Рік тому +10

    Enjoy you videos JT and appreciate your editing style and the time you take to move the camera around to get different angles. The rooftop view of tilling the field was cool, bet that was fun to set up. Keep doing what you do! 🇺🇸🤘🏻

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому +1

      I appreciate that!

    • @poorfarm-nn6ii
      @poorfarm-nn6ii Рік тому

      I agree. Making videos myself I know there is a lot of moving and setting up to catch all the angles to make the audience feel as if they are part of each action. I really appreciated that in this video as well. I know how easy it can be to say I don’t have to add this one and he did it. He caught it all and it was really fantastic.

  • @billyhaddock5540
    @billyhaddock5540 Рік тому +5

    Great Job JT, on getting ur 5010 JD Tractor up and running great.

  • @Massey-man
    @Massey-man Рік тому +2

    I know many people aren’t keen on the cab, but you very rarely see on of that series of JD’s with a cab, so it makes this one just a little different from the rest of them, and shows a little bit of tractor history and development. Big 👍 from the UK.

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому +1

      It’s been growing on me lol. Still torn as to what to do with it 😉

    • @karlfischer1011
      @karlfischer1011 Рік тому +2

      ​@@jtsbarnngrill6873add ac and heat and make a video series 😂

  • @jippel1
    @jippel1 Рік тому +4

    Love your videos mate cheers from down under 🇦🇺

  • @kurtreinhardt6789
    @kurtreinhardt6789 Рік тому +3

    Great to see the 5010 running well for you

  • @ivanmoreau1798
    @ivanmoreau1798 Рік тому +3

    I pulled 22 foot ih #55 chisel plow with 5010 in 5th gear for many years. It loved it.

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому

      I feel like that will pull way beyond what you’d think a 120hp tractor should!

    • @ivanmoreau1798
      @ivanmoreau1798 Рік тому

      @jtsbarnngrill6873 yet when they came out most farmers were disappointed by what they could pull.

    • @LHarry-c2t
      @LHarry-c2t 3 місяці тому

      @@ivanmoreau1798 There's been some advancement in tires since those came out. Wondering if that puts the power down better now?

  • @arthurjennings5202
    @arthurjennings5202 Рік тому +9

    The ##10 series John Deere tractors were a game changer when they came on the market. In South Texas where I grew up, Farmall tractors ruled the market for years. People didn't like the hand clutch on the two-cylinder John Deere tractors, but then the 10 series diesels came out, and South Texas became John Deere territory.

    • @jti2007
      @jti2007 Рік тому +1

      As did the rest of the country.....

    • @DavidManion-v7p
      @DavidManion-v7p Рік тому

      Yeah what’s funny though is John Deere passed farm all in sales we’ll still making the 2 cylinders

    • @PaulBruce-lz1lc
      @PaulBruce-lz1lc Рік тому

      Agree and disagree...the 4010 was one of Deere's sorriest tractors

  • @canvids1
    @canvids1 Рік тому +1

    Two of my favourite tractors for sound and watching there power 5010 and 5020.
    Looks like you got another good buy and a keeper.

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому

      Thanks! I have to agree, that 531 is a great sounding engine!

  • @lhm4772
    @lhm4772 Рік тому +1

    This tractor will look the part once this goofy cab has gone. I love this beast.

  • @Jacob_6420
    @Jacob_6420 Рік тому +2

    That is a good looking tractor

  • @Travis_Rivers
    @Travis_Rivers Рік тому +1

    Holy cow does that ole johnny sound good 👍 wow !!!

  • @briannelson4493
    @briannelson4493 Рік тому +6

    JT I would think 5th gear would be fast enough 4th gear is also good. I always plowed corn ground in 5th and sod in 4th it did a nicer job . We disced with an R JD 13ft. We used a 4020 JD and a 4030 JD .

  • @opasvintagegarage
    @opasvintagegarage Рік тому +3

    I've got a 3020 gas JD that sat for 15 years and my neighbor called me and needed a tractor as his smaller diesel was not in service at the time and asked to borrow our 3020 (if we still had it) well....I told him I drained the gas and changed the oil before I put it away 15 years prior and forgot about it. He showed up with 10 or 20 gallons of gas and a new battery. It started quick and used it for 2 weeks without one single issue, well, he did remind me that it does go through quite a bit of gas - ha ha ha. Yup, that it does! Not bragging on John Deere.....I'm just say'n!

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому +2

      You parked it the right way! That always helps one to start after sitting

  • @genelegear5418
    @genelegear5418 9 місяців тому

    Just started watching your ch, lot to catch up on..... Thanks for saving ole iron....

  • @scottbohn929
    @scottbohn929 Рік тому +2

    Great video! Love to see the old iron being put to work again. Also enjoy your sense of humor,the ending had me laughing pretty hard.😂

  • @duanedale2505
    @duanedale2505 Рік тому

    I always liked the sound and the ride of that tractor

  • @waggtech4883
    @waggtech4883 Рік тому +15

    The 5010-5020 has to be the sexiest tractor ever made. With an honorable mention to the 820-830…

    • @michaelhuffer9966
      @michaelhuffer9966 Рік тому +2

      JT, NICE TO SEE THAT YOU HAVE FUN DOING WHAT YOU DO 😊😊😊😊

    • @jospleizier10
      @jospleizier10 Рік тому +2

      You mist the 6030.

    • @spike3082
      @spike3082 Рік тому +1

      Throw some duals on it and make it look even better and im not even a john deere fan lol

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому +3

      Duals would really make that a bad a$$!

    • @jakefournie5930
      @jakefournie5930 Рік тому

      6030

  • @poorfarm-nn6ii
    @poorfarm-nn6ii Рік тому +2

    This was a great video. Enjoyed it all the way through. Made me wish I had a disc as well.

  • @doct0rnic
    @doct0rnic Рік тому

    I miss that cab view, I disked and bailed every season on a 5020, I think that line of tractors was John Deeres crowning achievement, I know people like to straight pipe these tractors but i think it sounds perfect with the stock muffler

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому +1

      I agree! That engine has the perfect rumble without the bark of a straight pipe

  • @The1gamer35
    @The1gamer35 Рік тому +2

    Great video the John Deere looks nice

  • @ryanduren2739
    @ryanduren2739 Рік тому +2

    Hell ya!! Another back from the grave! Nice job!!!

  • @AndrewHCann
    @AndrewHCann Рік тому

    Excellent video JT :) also matinne up tractors , combines or anything fun to do and learning and saved another tractor for sure ! Plus testing on feild work proved you got winner one and my dad used tell me put 100 ml of GM Automatic Transmission fluid also grey bottle of STP Total Treatment fuel injection and carb cleaner in fuel tank to help running smoothly on engine to for each desiel tractors on farm ! Also yes would keep tractor forever now and use for lots farming work too and fun times ahead! Think some nice new back tires and headlights to get working you be working night too!

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому +1

      Right on! Definitely needs some tires, many good points!

    • @AndrewHCann
      @AndrewHCann Рік тому

      @@jtsbarnngrill6873 yes if get set a of Good Year Dyna Torque 2 ones back and front for Good Year to ! That tractor be super fast and grip everywhere! My dad ran Good Year Dyna Torque 2 on drive on his International 3 desiel fuel motor tractor and combine to no problem that in 1990's!

  • @eddiebaughman2809
    @eddiebaughman2809 Рік тому +1

    Always loved the 5010 and 5020. A beast of a tractor.
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  • @patrickholt4140
    @patrickholt4140 Рік тому +1

    Interesting adds on your page sir
    Keep up the good work

  • @danielelliott1570
    @danielelliott1570 Рік тому

    Another great video! What a great find !

  • @johncook3817
    @johncook3817 Рік тому +1

    Another great video!
    Thoroughly enjoyed it!
    If you go in the house smelling horrible you will probably be sleeping in one of the tractors!😅😂😊

  • @lukeduffy2158
    @lukeduffy2158 Рік тому +1

    Fecken savage power in that tractor JT 👌👌👌👌

  • @ivanmoreau1798
    @ivanmoreau1798 Рік тому

    That 5010 runs mint.

  • @aidanquinn5498
    @aidanquinn5498 Рік тому

    Really sweet find, simple old machine, at 125hp anyhow love your channel

  • @timmywarren2349
    @timmywarren2349 Рік тому +3

    Very good Video 👍 👍

  • @bobtuckosh9870
    @bobtuckosh9870 Рік тому

    Another great video, nice old tractor.

  • @jaycool7805
    @jaycool7805 Рік тому +1

    Great video!

  • @ronzezulka6646
    @ronzezulka6646 Рік тому

    Hey,JT,,good to see ya. Shes a puller. Now,,if the weather is as rainy there as here in West Central Wisconsin,,,stick her in a mud hole and see what shes got!!! Great video!!

  • @robertclements7835
    @robertclements7835 Рік тому +1

    Great job, i really like your collection of tractors, the steiger being my favorite but anyway i enjoy watching your videos.

  • @ronzezulka6646
    @ronzezulka6646 Рік тому +1

    Hey JT,,,just watched a 4166 in really good shape sell at auction for $5000. Pretty cheap for a running, moving, operating collector's piece.

  • @peterbenson3776
    @peterbenson3776 Рік тому +1

    Your a young pup side of that Tractor 😂

  • @andyhutch8262
    @andyhutch8262 Рік тому +1

    Dont forget to change Micron inner air filter, presuming it has one, most important filter, not many folk know.

  • @TT-qo9dv
    @TT-qo9dv Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the video 👍

  • @richardnorthern6945
    @richardnorthern6945 Рік тому +1

    She pulls good nice old 5010

  • @fullers1966
    @fullers1966 7 місяців тому

    I know a lot of farmers that use compressed air they also make a tool now you can hook to your air compressor it spins on the inside of the air filter and blows it out with compressed air

  • @billfarmer7984
    @billfarmer7984 8 місяців тому

    Love the channel name. Hope I get to stop by for a steak at the barn sometime. Cheers!

  • @johnfugate3432
    @johnfugate3432 Рік тому +1

    Good running tractor didn't even grunt one time

  • @johngerber3891
    @johngerber3891 Рік тому +2

    It’s your best tractor on your farm now

  • @LolaBgcps
    @LolaBgcps Рік тому +4

    Nice!

  • @allenhardina4355
    @allenhardina4355 11 місяців тому +1

    Did he just step out the back of tractor after unfolding disk? How slick is that.

  • @CircleTFarms419
    @CircleTFarms419 Рік тому

    Great video, I bet that 1155 was pretty mad when drove right by 😂

  • @chadtosh6831
    @chadtosh6831 Рік тому

    Blow them outer filters out. I have done it all of the time for 26 years. Haven’t dusted an engine yet. Still the inner one on the tractors I run. I never put air through the secondary one to clean it though. One of the best starting old john Deere tractor I’ve ever seen though.

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому +2

      Right on! I’ve been doing it for years myself but last time I did on video you’d have thought I hurt someone’s feelings 😆😆.
      She is a great starter too!

    • @chadtosh6831
      @chadtosh6831 Рік тому

      @@jtsbarnngrill6873 world is full of damn opinions. Hahahaha. Nobody ever shows up to do the work or bring the free parts for a guy though. 🤔

  • @boe4448
    @boe4448 Рік тому +1

    JT,
    New subscriber. What part of Michigan is your farm? Boe

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому +1

      Northern east side

    • @boe4448
      @boe4448 Рік тому +2

      Very nice country. I was raised on small farm in the thumb. Learned how to wrench at a young age.. Like your content . Thanks keep up the good work, Boe

  • @johndeere-jh1pd
    @johndeere-jh1pd Рік тому +1

    You need to put some on that fine ass 5010

  • @darrellroeters4951
    @darrellroeters4951 Рік тому +1

    Back in the working fleet

  • @randallvos
    @randallvos Рік тому +1

    Big thing with the 531 Deeres is to let them warm up before loading them, otherwise they have a tendency to spin bearings. Getting all the gauges to work looks to be next on the list..........

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому +1

      Oil and temp both work. I figure those are the most important 😉

    • @lucasbergfors9446
      @lucasbergfors9446 Рік тому

      ​@@jtsbarnngrill6873what about fuel and tachometer ? To me oil, temp and fuel matters the most i ran out of fuel 2 times in the middle of the road on my way home because the fuel gauge was not working after finding out why it didn't work which is because the connections for the wires on the sender unit was all rusted away after replacing the unit it worked a lot better tachometer depends on, i mean sure it is important to know the engine rpms yes but when you want to set the rpms for the pto speed you need it to work well, i replaced the cable on monday since it was vibrating every rev and causing the needle to jump all over the place, the tractor i did all this work is a 1985 Case 1294 😁

  • @karlfischer1011
    @karlfischer1011 Рік тому +1

    with the tractor sitting so long, another oil change wouldn't hurt anything after a couple heat and load cycles such as this. you already have a surplus of oil :D

  • @fullers1966
    @fullers1966 7 місяців тому

    Hey when you started up that tractor after the diesel fuel filters were changed you know what song came to my mind staying alive

  • @orenminton405
    @orenminton405 7 місяців тому +1

    We blow are air filters with the air compressor

  • @bruceklassen8261
    @bruceklassen8261 Рік тому

    We had one growing up, it definitely needs duals, and they were heavy in the front

  • @bernardniesen8694
    @bernardniesen8694 Рік тому

    Amazing it does not smoke at all!

  • @oldironfin5748
    @oldironfin5748 Рік тому +1

    Greetings from Finland,
    That 5010 is unfamiliar to me, but I have tried the JD5020 once. A friend has one in his museum in working condition. That JD cabin of yours looks like a terrible invention. I have always had MF tractors myself, but such a monster JD is made for heavy work. Thanks for the good video

  • @cotton678
    @cotton678 Рік тому +2

    Woohoo the Legend back

  • @stephengunrunnerhanson3550
    @stephengunrunnerhanson3550 Рік тому +1

    A great tractor but bigger wheels on the front but it works

  • @jondavidmcnabb
    @jondavidmcnabb Рік тому +1

    Was it me or did putting that old motor under intense load for awhile help clean up some of the smoke emitting?

  • @jacobbuckley8232
    @jacobbuckley8232 Рік тому

    Nice square body chevy!

  • @brianwestveer9532
    @brianwestveer9532 Рік тому

    With all those good tractors, you'll have to find more ground to farm, and some drivers

  • @noehueber6602
    @noehueber6602 Рік тому +3

    Hello everyone good vidéo jt's barn good jobs with a beast tractor
    an operator friend of my boss and I have one in repower 8v 71t and 3 5020 with repower 1 with 8v 71t 2 with 8v92 and 3 with 12v 71t in Alsace in France

  • @mikemoss9968
    @mikemoss9968 Рік тому

    The old green machine works pretty good

  • @rayscrafield2106
    @rayscrafield2106 6 місяців тому

    Not sure if it has ever been told before but I'd be interested in the history of your farm. Is it a family operation that is now yours or did you buy it or what? How many acres do you have all together?

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  6 місяців тому +1

      This was my uncles farm. He passed and I had the opportunity to purchase it in 2012. The farm was split 3 ways, I got the house and 5 acres, one cousin got 60 and another cousin got 40. I’m slowly trying to get it all back, but that’s easier said than done. I have about 140 that I farm all together. If you go back 3-4 vids I take a crop tour of all my fields and kind of explain everything I do. It was the I’ve been busy week video

  • @jamesmarsh1831
    @jamesmarsh1831 Рік тому

    Now you need to add an a/c system to the old girl, the cost would be around $16,00 for the complete kit but would make those hot days more enjoyable.

  • @SouthernFarmingTV
    @SouthernFarmingTV Рік тому

    Jt gonna be needing to build some storage and a shop if he keeps this up . Grow jt grow.

  • @bryansylvester3463
    @bryansylvester3463 Рік тому

    Wooo! Nice ending

  • @tsparky236
    @tsparky236 Рік тому

    Good morning young man, much easier to use a leaf blower and stick inside? Found that works very well sir. Love the videos and keep them coming sir.

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому

      Will do!

    • @karlfischer1011
      @karlfischer1011 Рік тому +1

      the 60s and 70s operators manuals showed washing your paper filters in the sink! and warned you about "do not bang on a tire." Recently, a social media video short showed using a firecracker... :)

  • @richardharris7714
    @richardharris7714 Рік тому +1

    What size tires does the 5010 have on the back

  • @glennschlorf1285
    @glennschlorf1285 Рік тому

    What did the disc harrow say to the Tractor....... Pull meba little closer John Deere....

  • @stevemccoy8138
    @stevemccoy8138 Рік тому

    Has that cab got a heater ?😊

  • @peterbenson3776
    @peterbenson3776 Рік тому

    How’s the sorcery for ya?! Easy filter change

  • @jdtractorman7445
    @jdtractorman7445 Рік тому

    Sounds good pulling the discs. Are those discs a set of Allis Chalmers 2300 series? Sure look like it.

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому +3

      Yes it is. It’s not a great disc, and seems like parts are non existent for it but with a little engineering I’ve made it work-minus the strip it leaves lol. But it was 0 dollars sitting in the weeds 😉

  • @dmartens6267
    @dmartens6267 Рік тому

    What happened to the 4wd international?

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому

      Still sitting where I left it. Haven’t had time to mess with that one yet

  • @warrenklingensmith1241
    @warrenklingensmith1241 Рік тому +2

    J T nothing runs like a deere PERIOD.

    • @stevewbeards
      @stevewbeards Рік тому

      That used to be true but now they just wait until patents are up and steal others ideas.

  • @johnnyholland8765
    @johnnyholland8765 Рік тому

    Not sure if you can do a spin on filter conversion on those engines or not. Guess it isn't too bad having to change it like it is. It ain't like you are doing it very often. That tractor will pull that harrow in 5 or 6 gear...

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому

      Yeah, that wasn’t bad at all. I think she’d pull in 5 or 6 th pretty well!

  • @johnweatherford5760
    @johnweatherford5760 Рік тому

    First I said leave the cab but I believe I agree the cab needs to come off

  • @Farmer1277
    @Farmer1277 Рік тому

    Shit. I've been cleaning air filters wrong my whole life then. Bang em til they clean out lol. They make a filter cleaning setup that spins around when you put it inside an air filter.

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому +1

      I guess I have been too 😆. Let’s just say what I don’t do on camera stays what I “don’t “ do on camera lol

  • @metalworks2765
    @metalworks2765 Рік тому

    nice sound

  • @ButlerFam
    @ButlerFam Рік тому

    How do you find all these gems? What is the plan to keep em or flip em?

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому

      Just lucky! Got a few tractor buddies in the area that let me know when they find them also

  • @andywilkinson3792
    @andywilkinson3792 Рік тому

    Hi J.t. she pulled fairly well. Can't remember did try the 165 on the discs. And did see in this video the disc were missing a strip. Did you brake something on there. Great video as normal from Andy in uk.

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому

      That disc needs the gangs pushed together a smidge. I pieced that together from a couple doner machines

    • @andywilkinson3792
      @andywilkinson3792 Рік тому

      O ok well works well anuf. Is that why one wing takes bit longer to come up. You still look for tractors or just see what falls your way. Is there any tractor out there you really want to get your hands on.

    • @jtsbarnngrill6873
      @jtsbarnngrill6873  Рік тому

      There’s a few. Id like a 2805 MF, a 1000 Minnie mo , maybe a 2255 Oliver.. the hard ones to find 😉

    • @andywilkinson3792
      @andywilkinson3792 Рік тому

      @jtsbarnngrill6873 well that's good least you got something to keep you really looking out for. Well I hope you find them and good luck. All I can say is try keep what you really want to keep. Because they are a very good investment better than a bank. They all just going through the roof. And it's not going too stop just yet. There's more people out there now trying to do what your doing get off the grid and they are looking for the smaller tractors and the farmers are looking for the bigger one. So your do great. Great job. Hope the luck keeps coming your way.

  • @willianthomasmaklaine9003
    @willianthomasmaklaine9003 Рік тому

    Does this tractor have 130 or 140 hp?

  • @Mark_Tschetter
    @Mark_Tschetter Рік тому

    What is the oil pressure at wide open throttle when it's hot?

  • @darrickgoodrich2169
    @darrickgoodrich2169 Рік тому

    She fired up like a new tractor , what’s her name going to be ?

  • @mgrillo2863
    @mgrillo2863 Рік тому

    not that it matters i was just wondering, how many acres roughly are you farmin?

  • @chance2farm
    @chance2farm Рік тому

    From the "Will it pull it?" file ua-cam.com/users/shorts36XkiFkETdQ

  • @lindacook891
    @lindacook891 Місяць тому +1

    Dude you remind me of Igor from Winnie the Pooh, except the worst and glad to get it. I believe you are way smarter than that.