Can a John Deere 5010 or a Massey Ferguson 1155 pull a 13 shank chisel plow?
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- Опубліковано 9 лис 2023
- Thought I’d have a little friendly competition between my 5010 and my 1155. Lt see if either one can pull a 13 shank chisel!
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Thanks for keeping these workhorses alive, and doing what they were designed to do!
😊. I’m glad I can! The 5010 will be next in line for the paint booth!
Back in the 70’s we had several MF 135,165,175,1085,1105,1155. The 1155 had duals in would drag a 17 tine chisel plow no prob. That V8 Perkins had the best sound I loved running it. Thanks for your content
The 540 iS the best sounding diesel In my book 😉
We still have multiple super 90’s some run some are donors, a 1085, an 1155, and a 2805. We just sold the 1135 last year. They all still have the original mufflers except the ones with cabs that are straight piped. I love and hate the exhaust we have on the 1155 it’s a single stack that was too loud for me to run even in my teenager years but it’s already on it so it’s not getting changed unless a tree branch makes us
What a cool video! It’s awesome to watch those old tractors working! Just love that Massey! Thanks for providing such an enjoyable channel. All credit to you!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very fun video. Enjoy watching the old beasts running.
Another Great Video. They are both pretty good tractors for their day. It’s Kind of neat to look at advances in agriculture, how much changes in 10, 20 or 30 years. Thanks for the videos.
Very true!
Awesome video. Cool to see the old stuff still making dirt black.
Great video JT- really enjoyed the comparison
Cool guy really enjoyed your old beasts ,can't beat old school long live .keep up the good work !!!
Great to see both out playing
We pulled a 14ft chisel plow with an 1155 for years. The 1155 had dual Rice and Kane tires that helped with the traction.
Thanks for this video. even in southside VA, a tractor requires 1 pair of wheel weights and fluid in the tires for 70-80 hp to 7 shanks or 100hp + to 10 shanks in the red clay.
😂 can't get no traction! Awesome song! Great content JT! I have a MF1135 so I'm always excited to see the 1155 work. Keep up the good work
😉. Thanks! Will do
Great video JT, I like that version of that song gonna be stuck in my head forever 😂, every time I spin I’m gonna be thinking about your video 👍🏻
😆😆. Can’t get no traction 🎶
In 1980 dad traded for a 1970 5020. John Deere. We pulled a 18 ft Krause chisel (all shanks no disks). 20 ft folding off set disk. Dad had a turbo put on the tractor. Duals in good shape when he traded for the tractor. It was a beast.
Have always regretted selling my 1135 a great tractor on the forage harvester changed to 2680 4wheel drive for extra traction on hills but should have kept the old girl
I grew up on a dairy farm in MN in the 70s. This was our life, thank you, young great American farmer
Interesting to see there's not much difference between the two. As far as engines go, I prefer the straight 6 instead of v8. Thanks for the info.
Hey Joe,,,great video again. Screw the comparison. Just let the big dogs eat. Fun to watch the old horses get after it. Well done,,,head for the mountains.
It’s a win, win in the purest sense right? I do have to say the Massy just looks badass especially with the twin stacks. Thanks for another great video.
Thanks! Probably adds HP also 😉
@@jtsbarnngrill6873well, yeah…I mean they’re chrome so obviously.
Fair comparison! Would have been interesting with duals really good fun video! Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
Grew up with a Massey 1080. Was a great tractor. That Perkins engine was great.
Great video!!
Nice video, I think lack of traction hurt the 5010. even with the wider tires. Very fun comparison. That inline six in the John Deere was a true work horse.Not to take away form the Massey" Perkins engine. If you can get your hands on a noble blade for plowing alfalfa try that, a three blade is a work out in gumbo for any 200 hp two whee drive. Again very fun video.
In following years John Deere took to Turbocharging the 5020 which brought it up to a rating of 175 in the updated 6030 Tractor.
Massey went the increased displacement route with an entirely bigger V8. This engine went into the newer series Tractor line with 640 Cubic Inches. The non-Turbo was put in the 2775 Tractor. The extremely underrated Turbo 640 was put into the 2805 at 190 HP. Quite a bit of Muscle for a two wheel drive Tractor.
As long as both tractors have the same weights,same type of tires there will be no problem pulling these chisel plow equally. I have pulled 3 point chisel plows that have gave a 8410 FWA John Deere all it wants. It all depends on how deep you put the chisel plow in the ground along with the soil condition on how a tractor of any type will pull them.
Nice old iron two of my favorites. If they had duals with weights and Titan radials I guarantee they would pull it .heck the engines did not make a change. Great video.
I can agree with that!
I like how you say its a draw and a little Massey logo appears each time... Amazing how that happens!! Haha!! Thanks JT!
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We did that with a disc chisel plow at full depth..farmall 1066 against a dyno checked at 218 hp 2590 case....1066 pulled it almost 4 mph faster. Only thing done to the 1066 was the pump was turned up....lasted over 2000 hrs and never had any engine issues , only the TA and brakes. Lost it in a barn fire.
My dad ran a farm and they had 1066 with duals we also had a 2255 Oliver with a cat v8 strong engine loud with no cab the 1066 was a sweet running engine music to the ears
Best way to compare is put the load to where one is being loaded down, then change the implements without changing the depth. That’s how I’ve seen it done ✔️
I had a Massey 860 with that V-8. They sound good had plenty of power.
What a great video and dialogue. Really enjoyed seeing these beasts in action.
Quite interesting!….years ago I worked with a guy in the Miss delta, hard gumbo soil that was a pain. He had MF 1130s and 2 new 1155s. The 1155s were great machines, rarely had issues with them and they would handle what ever you hooked to it. Those Perkins were peppy engines and ran great.
Another thing. Your comment about the 1805 not pulling the harrow that much better than the 1155 made me think. Back in the mid 70´s we were at a fall demonstration where varius companies showed their machines for Sugar beets, winter seeds and plowing. I, as a very young, but fairly experienced kid, got to try a 1505 pulling a 6 x 16" Kverneland in clayish soil. I remember being surprised that it needed ALL its traction- and power for that matter, to pull the plow at a decent 8,5" depth. I had to keep the rear axle locked most of the time. I guess the weight transfer could be better on those models.
I agree with that. They 15-1805 tractors are great as a 150 horse tractor. But anything more they lack
Kinze knew what it took to make the Deere a good tractor.
Oh please
This is so fun JT! My grandpa bought an 1155 new in 1974 and it was still one of our main tractors up until 2001. My uncles put a turbo on it and injectors from a 2805, so needless to say she would really pull!
My step grandpa and his dad ran Masseys from the 50s through the 80s. The old 35, 1100, and 1130 are still on the farm. They bought a 2745 new in the early 80s, but it ended up traded in on a Case 2390 because it "couldn't pull the hat off your head", the offending implement was a 7 shank Barrantine subsoiler. They never tried to pull it with all 7 with the 2390. I take the ole 1130 sled pulling to hurt the feelings of all the Deere's that dare to hook up against it.
@@DeathHead1358Yeah, my dad bought a 2745 about the same time and felt the same way, it was a joke. Dad traded it for a 2805, which has plenty of power, but they also turned the screw up on it and it would pull about anything they had at the time, just as long they kept a fuel cart in the field!
@@DeathHead1358 I tried a 2805 and loved the power. But we were skeptical about the transmission. A guy from Hettinger, North Dakota bought it and at about 2500 hours the transmission let go.
@@user-jp7rk1uf2n I've read a lot about the transmission issues that they had with the 2000 series V8 powered tractors. From what I've read, it was mostly with the 24 speed tractors and effected the powershift function of the trans. Case had issues with their powershift trans in that era on the 2590s as well. The 2390 that I mentioned is still on the farm as well, and going plenty strong. The V8 era was gone well before my time, but I'm still trying to find either an 1150 or 1155 for a decent price to take to the pulls. Haven't had to much luck yet, all I've seen are either sky high, or need lots of work.
We used to have a 5010 just like yours. It even had a ugly cab a lot like yours. Traded it in on a 7020.
It was a great machine,always wished we would of held on to it.
There's a guy that has a 5010 sitting in the woods behind his house not far from my parents, I saw it when I went to look at a G1000 Moline he had. I think it had a JD cab on it. Told me he'd take 5 grand for it, but it was stuck in 8th gear. Needless to say I left with neither.
A friend of mine here in southeast Mi bought a chisel plow like yours.to pull behind his 5020 with duals. The first time he dropped it in the ground it stalled the tractor. He and the salesman worked for half a day adjusting the plow. Finally they got it to pull well. Coincidentally he later bought an 1155 which also pull it egually well.
Right on! Seems like both of these would be able to pull it with the proper ballast and traction
fun video that's something I would try I like both tractors
Pretty fair comparison overall! I agree with duals and fresher tires on the green one I bet both would pull it specially if you drop her slowly lol ease it into the earth!
For sure! The 1155 did a fine job using the chisel normally, and I think the 5010 would handle it under normal conditions just fine.
We pulled a 28 shank jd chisel plow with on 5020 depends on depth you go. We normally only run 4 inches deep except in fall go uo to 6 inches deep
Raising the draw bar height one or two inches with spacers and then adding front weights would direct the straining force to push the rear tires down.
Great video I love those old Deere’s you don’t see anything like that here in ireland 🇮🇪
Shame the JD was nearly on slicks. No challenge.
Always a good day when JT posts a new video!
Another awesome video there sir, my White 4-150 has 4 brand new 23.1X34 tires on it Michelin radials. I pull a 28’ disk with it in 3rd over and it does great. But just out of curiosity I hooked my White 2-135 to said disk and it pulls it in the same gear but doesn’t work it as much on the hills as the 4-150. To say the least I was shocked that the 2-135 even pulled it. Everyone that I know that’s had an 1155 Massey days that they’re a beast when wide open but the V8 won’t lug and falls on its face pretty quick when the going gets tough but I’ve never had one so I don’t know. But yours didn’t appear to lose any RPM’s and was ready to go it just needs a little more weight or duals. The more I watch your videos the more I’m thinking that I need one lol
Right on! Just in my experience running the 1155 and my cat powered 1805 I’d say the cat bogs down faster than the Perkins.
But the 1805 has more drive tires..
So hard to really say. The 1155 suprises me whenever I hook it to something
I had a 4-180 and our 2-135 out pulled it all day long. Then I bought a 2-155 and I think the 2-135 would kick its butt lol
4-150 had the Cat 3208 V8 which was 636 cubic inches. The 2-135 had the 478 Hercules. The 3208s weren't known for being great lugging engines. That 478 has a Turbo as well.
Yes sir I agree, also The 4-150 is heavier and has an extra rear end and two more tires pulling so it probably takes away from the horsepower more so than on the 2-135. The more I use them both the more I’ve noticed that the 3208 Cat is a lot easier on fuel pulling the same equipment alongside the 2-135
Nice video
Tractors rarely see eye to eye. But you can bet, after you head inside for the night, they're out there laughing and carrying on, sipping an oil flavored beer, and picking straw out of their toothy grill, cuz they were in cahoots on that tie. Keep on farming JT, we can't live without farmers. Keep the shiny side up, and the pointy side down.
And these two have to be next to each other all the time😉. Thanks, will do!
That 1155 is a gorgeous tractor
Thanks!
we had a 5010 like that with the fold out windows and back door. we had an extra 45gal fuel tank on the front because they only have a 45gal tank standard. it was a good old tractor, the fuel injector pumps (Bosch)gave trouble with the internal seals leaking and then you got diesel in the sump. The radiator top tanks can corrode and leak along the seams also. hydraulic pump flexible drive rubbers and spline chopping out . that's about the worst of it.
also had a few 5020s , and the jd760 elevating scraper, 9yard. it was basically a 5020 gooseneck set-up. scary fast though in top gear. twice what a normal 5020 would travel at .
If you did much at all with a 5010 you needed an extra fuel tank the way they drank fuel. Along with a bunch of John Deere tractors until the newer models came out. To be fair John Deere tractors were not the only tractors that drank beer like drunken sailers
I owned a 1155 and its best day was when I sold it. Dad had a 5020 and it was a decent tractor. At a auction green always wins.
Man, i would love too see duals on both and some hard core pulling videos. That was a pretty cool comparison video. I bet the engine temps would start to get high after awhile.
Maybe a future video!
A tall tire will out pull a shorter wide tire circumference is worth more than width.
@@arvbergstedt3303yes more ground contact.
5010 and 5020 jd were very heavy and way under powered the tires he had on was all it needed u had to run in 3 rd gear to keep it from choking down traction was not the problem power was
Really????!! Traction wasn’t the problem? Did you even watch the video?? No lack of power. As mentioned in the video
Excellent video JT :) also do both tractor on back wheels have Differential Lock pedal that sure tell how good both tractor will pull and work! I know certain wet years on Mother's Nature give be challenging on wetness! In 1993 was horrible year for my late Dad; Uncle on home farm plus 2 rent farms it so bad you Lol ! When get Combine grains off was one part it stuck on side road we use 4 tractor and tow truck 4×4 pickup 1 ton type to pull out on super mud road ! Throw mud to moon and back also not fun! Then get Corn for silo filled 4 tractor plus one tractor didn't have Differential Lock on 2 wheel drive wheels and all rest did not 4×4 ones but tell was big feilds of mud and slipping also skidding! I know my dad and uncle said was worst year ever in farming and never want happened ! Plus rain so much then sunshine ever and in November do end silo and get pick corn it snowing so much ever seen in one like 3 months worth! I know I didn't like too told them!
Good video.
Good video I enjoyed it.yes both Tractors had plenty of power. Do you run fluid in the tires?
The Massey tires are loaded. But the Deere has wheel weights on the inside of the rears. I’m
My neighbors 4840 John Deere had duals fluid and weight. My 1155 (no cab) had 23.1 singles and no fluid but I had 1200lb on the 3 pt he unhooked from his 13 shank to go disc, smiled and asked me if I would like to pull the chisel plow. The field was tough clay. My tractor has dual exhaust and we built the motor and it dynoed at 236hp BEFORE i put 5 more turns in the smoke screw! I told him that i was about 10,000 lb lighter than him and probably couldn't do it but would try. I hooked up and was in second like you. I could pull it where he had it set but was squirming around when I hit high multipower. I quickly realized that I had gobs of power but didn't have the weight to go faster. I finished the field. He comes back, grinning, and says, "I saw you making some smoke out there, but then it quit. What did you do?" I said "yeah, I was in too low of a gear, so I shifted up 2 and throttled back to 1300 rpm." The smile went off his face he said "really?" I said "yeah,Those perkins have horrible exhaust manifolds and start smoking and drinking fuel more if wound out. I had plenty of torque and didn't need all the horsepower it just made tire spin!
Right on!
i love these old tractors
We had an 1150 with a turbo. It was pretty powerful. Then we got an 1155. Same power, less noise and better cab.
That’s the exact chisel plow we use on the farm and it will pull our 290 hp buhler down and the 290 fwa case down as well but it’s running 3 inch sweeps
Been nice to what would have happened if you had dual rear wheels.
Awesome video im a massey guy have a 1100 diesel from granpa.....but all the old tractors are pretty dang neat
Thanks! Me too 😉
@@jtsbarnngrill6873 the biggest crime massey ferguson ever committed was putting a caterpillar engine in a 1805 instead of the v8 Perkins engine like they used in the 1150 , 1155 , 2770 , 2800 tractors
Good video J T
I'd pick the 1155. That damn thing will pull down a house. Great tractor
Hello fun video. I think if you had duels on you would have less traction. The weight of the tractor spread over a broader surface so less lbs per square inch. Same thing no traction. Enjoyed your video have a good day.
Like both tractors. Old John has sounds good
Great fun with those old gals Just 1 question about the front axle of the John Deere Its a straight axle and not stepped up like the Massey a little unusual Thank u for minding your vintage tractors for all to enjoy 100% respect from another farmer in Ireland 😎
Thank you! I appreciate that!
Better red than dead or green with envy!!!!!!
Had an 1155 never worked it. But I always preferred straight 6 engines over the 8. Same in the IH V8s.
I agree, I like the straight 6 Perkins. For myself I would love to have a 1135. I have a 1990 MF 3070 with a 4.236 turbo Perkins.
Never seen a 5010 IRL, but it sure sounds sweet.
That really is a great sounding tractor!
Beautiful Massey
Thanks 👍
Have a 1155 just like yours. I will be posting a video of it soon on my channel pulling a 9 shank chisel plow. Pulled it no problems at all.
I’ll check that out!
@jtsbarnngrill6873 that video is up now. Thanks for watching
You needed a 4020 with a M@W turbo, cause back in the 70s i knew a guy that had one and it would pull a 56 bottom plow and a 100 row corn planter all day long with no problem, said by every john deere fan boy
😆😆😆.
I thought they dug the Grand Canyon with a 4020 and a v ripper 😆😆
@@jtsbarnngrill6873 and the Panama Canal but it only had an M@W oil pan and pyro
The 1100 series were excellent tractors. Then Massey released the 2000 series and the transmissions proved to be a disaster. Cost the company millions in recalls and warranty work. Rumor was that the engineering dept. said the tractor was not ready for the market but sales and management overruled them. That decision hurt the company's reputation so much that it has taken years to get it back.
Yessir! The 2000 series could have been the best out there if they just had the 3 speed figured out. And strangely enough, the 4000 series 3 speed was one of the best.
I’d say both would need duels and more wheel weights to pull it sounded like they had motor left just not traction lol great video buddy thanks for sharing
JT I new that would stop the 5010 dead in it’s tracks. Not enough tread or weight. Besides those Firestones grip a little better than the dyna-torc II .
A D-21 with a traction booster hitch would have had a better chance at having the traction.
I love it, just for fun.
what a joyful noise.....🚜🚜
Them two both sound great!
The M-F 1155 sure sounded sweet.
JT, both tractor's are the winner's. cool MF 1155 JD 5010 is cool too, butt MF 1155 is awesome. keep the wheel's on the sunny side.
Thanks!
Can you show us how you operate your John Deere 4420
The sad part is that most people will never see inside it to appreciate that Perkins. Its a real work of art! They erroneously apply the 6cyl are better, no bottom end torque to them from brand x's performance and quality The exact opposite is true. The operating range starts at 800 rpms, and they, if set up right, will get down on their knees and lug! Perkins did not make a "throw away" V8! Having been inside all the others V8 and 6cyl working at a tractor scrapyard and in heavy equipment and semis building engines, I can say that the Perkins is a world apart! They probably cost 2× as much to build as a Cat or IH. I have never seen a more overbuilt, finely finished, high-quality motor. They are probably 500 lb heavier than an IH 549. They were designed as a twin turbo 640 ci tugboat engine, not as cheaper option to a good 6 cyl in trucks. they could make 400+ hp with a 100% duty cycle. The marine 540 twin turbos was rated at 350+ hp. they ran for 10,000 plus hours at this. Everything in that engine is replaceable from the sleeves to the lifter bores. There's almost 2" between the cylinders. The heads have replaceable hardened seats and can be decked to clean them up (not so IH). The main bearings are a whole inch bigger, and the wrist pins are much bigger in longer rods in the Perkins. The rods have saw teeth on the caps for alignment. Every single piece of casting flash or any machined edge in that engine is HAND polished. The cast iron is of such high quality and contains so much cro-moly that the main bearing surfaces, etc, are GROUND and not machined. Many fasteners are tapped FINE thread, which is not possible in regular grey cast iron. The cam runs in a trough of oil for lubrication, and so it's oiled on startup. The water jackets and pump are huge. The oil pump is massive. They will not overheat. In fact, they take a long time to warm up. They have a thermostat in each head with a separate pipe up to the radiator. There is a crossover in the block in case one fails. I farmed with mine for years at 236 dynoed hp no turbo (it's gotten healthier since) before I grabbed the right side pipe by accident after coming in from the field and realized it was cold. We could see that that sides thermostat had obviously been stuck shut all those years going thru the emergency bypass across the temp gauge with no overheating! My only gripe is that the cylinder head port flow could be much better, and the tractor exhaust manifolds suck. The ports angle towards the center, but they dump out the ends and are only about 2" inside diameter. This was fine for turbos but not so good N/A. They glow orange right at the center in a hard pull. British trucks had really nice high flow manifolds. I like the bottom end torque and wide powerband of a naturally aspirated motor that doesn't fall out of boost down low. This is possible with more advanced timing than possible with a turbo. There's good reason for all the extra $ for an 1155 over an 1135 just to get 7 more rated HP. Also, their wider planetaries and upgraded ring and pinion gears. Now, why would they do all that to an already tough rearend for only 7 hp more coming from a supposedly "torqueless" V8? have met people that pulled 1155s that said they still used the multipower up to 600hp.
Well said!
Would love to see a 1080, or 1100 Massey video.
I have a bunch of 1100 videos on my channel
Your channel name should be “JT’s Barn and Grille” as in a tractor grille. You can use that for free! Just found your channel; enjoying the old iron!
Right on 😉. Glad to have you along!
Fair match up acording to fuel set up🤔
Not a Deere guy but dualed up I’ll bet you will be pleasantly surprised. Neighbors had one that was turned up and they just beat the snot out that tractor for years. It was always in the field fall time makin smoke
I agree! I think the 5010 will be a heck of a good puller!
I borrowed a 5020 from the neighbour to pull a chisel plough in heavy soil, it was a long time ago but I remember two things number one there was no problem with power and number two it used 55 gallons (200L)of fuel in eight hours maybe even more.
I can believe that! I’ve only had a couple Deere tractors but they were both extremely thirsty beasts
I am a Massey Collector and understand Them better than most. I also understand the other colors although not as acutely as MF. I have never seen anyone utilize the Pressure Control feature of the Hydraulic System. If You will look on the Quadrant lever for the three point Hitch, You will see Position Control. Turn it One Quarter turn and You will see Draft Control and yet one more quarter turn will be Pressure Control.
To work correctly, Pressure Control required a special Hitch Cone. This allowed the Implement to turn on the Hitch and, of course it allowed a lateral swing. However, with putting weight on the Implement and, on the front of the Tractor it would shift that weight onto the rear wheels only as needed. That feature is not a thing now that late day Tractors gave front wheel drive.
P S. How about a feature on M H ?
Re Pressure Control,
I remember ads for it, in an, Australian farming journal called 'Power Farming'. According to the(carried out on a farm) the MF pressure control cut wheelslip in half!
If farmers knew the % wheelslip, more may have got onboard. My uncle had a David Brown, he seemed to think it (the DB)had something similar to MF pressure control.
Back in the 60's 70's, I'd say MF had by far the best 3 Point Linkage system.
Put water in the tires and antifreeze halfway of water it will put more it won’t spin
Well, as a long retired MF Service Rep, those tractors had Pressure Control and top link sensing. For it to work with draw bar implements it required an A frame on the tung. I am proud to say I transferred enough weight in three days to bend the tung on a 22 ft disc with a MF 1135 but did not spin out nor lug the tractor at the Farm Progress Show 1976.
Pressure control was amazing. I know this rig would move if I could just pull back that pressure lever. I have the old MF videos on pressure control on a 1100.
Dad said he could get the same work out of a Massey with 2/3 of the fuel a John Deere used
Old green needs some paint maybe lose the cab. Those old Deere cabs left something to be desired. Great demonstration!!
Indeed! Paint booth coming soon for the Deere!
Maybe a lower gear would have helped it a little. It definitely has the torque but it doesn't have the weight and maybe the wrong tire setup......
Massey all the way !
The best Massey Ferguson 1155 perfect beautiful thank you
Thank you
Love to see a set of new injectors in the JD
Wouldn’t hurt it any
I don’t see that the 5010 had a Power issue anyway as it was.
Normally you would have a set of duals on for this type of work, and that cures the traction problem!
all in all I think it was a pretty fair fight and an even draw
I knew neither would pull a 13 shank. I have a1270 and an 11 shank is about all it wants to pull. Same problem not short on power but the tractor just ain’t got enough ass.
If you could find an old MF combine someday that would be cool content however your 4420 doesn’t need replacement it looks nice. My grandfather was a MF man that had 2 other jobs always had cheap old equipment but got the job done. One time he went to an auction to buy a 300 for parts machine and drove it home figured out it was actually better than the “good” machine” so we ran that one. 😂
Thanks for the videos they are really good
I wouldn’t mind an old MF combine.
5010 needs new tyres and some weights.
comment from germany.
both good tractors.
I love Deere but I’d take that Massey any day
Does that 5010 have a 5020 engines most if they survived got different engines because the blocks crack