I mean it is a great example of them abusing their monopoly. They are making the biggest web browser no longer able to block their money maker ads as easily.
Chrome got everyone hooked in, then switched to an advert delivery spyware app, just like they do with UA-cam and Android generally. So, ha ha ha, it's about time they had a bloody nose for their anticompetitive tactics. I hope they are made to sell Android and UA-cam too.
@@TheLinuxEXP I wish it was. Unfortunately humans have to fight continuously to make it real, and I feel we've/karma's been losing battles a lot recently.
Winning in what? Firefox is the less performant browser, and also gets funds from google. If chrome usage decreases or if it gets separeted from google I don't think Firefox gets any funding from them. Also considering that usa is pro-microsoft(they don't care if Microsoft "or xbox" buys gaming studios, they don't care about the game pass, they only care of google and steam "monopolies"), edge will be the dominant browser
As an extension developer, I can assure you that what they've done to browser extensions is far worse than anything you might have read. For example, they’ve made bi-directional communication between your machine's localhost and the extension completely impossible. Now, to interact with your computer, you’re forced to route everything through an external server. So now it's slow and it cost money. The previous method was 100% safe, but they removed it simply because they don’t want extensions to be too powerful. No more persistent background services, etc, etc... This is absolutely INSANE. They’re actively preventing you from using the Internet the way it was originally designed to be used. Instead, everything must go through their services, locking you into their ecosystem. Seriously, stop letting yourself be brainwashed by arguments about memory consumption or millisecond differences in page loading times. Firefox is great. As a dev., I love container tabs for example, to load a website with different sessions. Just switch to Firefox or another browser that isn’t controlled by big tech!
Mozilla's folding to big tech and advertisers is why everyone quit using it. Bad ideas moves and greed. Let's hope Ladybird will be its successor as Mozzila is on the path to being totally bankrupt. You can tell with all the firings.
I already switched to Firefox a few years ago, so it's not a problem for me. The nice thing about Firefox is that you can use extensions on mobile devices (that's if it's supported for mobile).
Like UA-cam with UBlock origin no more ads EVER on UA-cam. Having the mobile UA-cam application is like walking on a mine field with scams, NSFW content, malware, cripto, etc.
@@UA-camEnjoyer1UA-cam Revanced also works like a charm. But make sure to use the manager to patch the apk file. The official release doesn't distribute full apk files. It also works on UA-cam Music and Spotify.
@@UA-camEnjoyer1 You can use youtube as if you had yourube premium. You can minimize it, use pop up player, etc. And any other video. I also use noscript for extra security.
Except Firefox is stagnating even worse than Chromium based browsers ever did. Lacks some pretty useful features like PWAs, too. Hopefully Ladybird browser takes off, so we have a decent Open Source competitor to Chromium again.
@@dshcfhI get your point, but we all know nobody knew what a "Google" was back in the day. Another slight difference, I see Google as a verb and Floorp would almost certainly only ever be a noun.
@@Tall_Order Or my dog throwing up! He's the only dog I have ever seen throw up an entire meal in a single ball. More convenient to clean up, but extra-super disgusting!
I've used firefox for years. I never saw appeal in using chrome over it. I even themed my firefox so it looks like the 2015 version because I liked that look more. I never saw browser that was that customizable.
Chrome was legit great when it first launched. It was lightning fast and was pretty much 100% compatible with every website. Now it's a resource hog that is bloated with undesirable features and collects as much of your personal data as possible.
Zombie company. Louis Rossman commented on this in regards to UA-cam’s unskippable ads: When a company has to resort to nickel and dimming its users, it’s over - they’re in a terminal state
There is nothing left to browse on Internet. Desktop browsers are just a safer way to access platforms that exist primarily in the mobile space. A web browser is only worth for its privacy and adblocker capabilities.
2:45 Firefox doesn’t support the Web Serial Protocol, which if you’re into using web tools to program microcontrollers, means you have to keep a copy of chrome alongside Firefox. I really wish non chrome browsers would implement this.
Same with the Bluetooth api. It's so easy to make these sort of hardware configuration type applications in the web stack, especially with WASM. It's a major shame Firefox doesn't feature the APIs that make them work. Even PWAs are such an easy miss that just boggles the mind. If you're into web dev at any level you're always better served by just downloading Chromium on the side.
I've been using Firefox for the last 3-4 years now, started when I decided it was time to leave Chrome behind. I mainly started using it for the popout video player that is enabled via a simple icon you click in the video. Haven't looked back since.
Same here, I found firefox mobile is actually quite decent. Since it's basically the only mobile browser supports add-ons, I really don't get why people don't use it more often.
@@hansenxavier4403/videos Firefox on mobile was always the worst choice years ago. Now, with faster phones and later Android versions, that may have changed. A lot of us are still on older phones and Android versions and may have tried Firefox before and it wasn't a good experience. Bad experiences tend to stay with us longer than good ones. Maybe that's why. I have no idea how Google managed to get the most users. Apart from maybe taking advantage of the amount of people who don't know anything about computers and browsers. Knowing about advertising and browsers means I would never use a browser from a giant advertising company.
If you want small Vivaldi isn't it. If you want big, multi-platform, fully featured, configurable, as private as you choose, Vivaldi is awesome; although perhaps less so now.
Yep, and if you use multiple different computers at work, having your MS account logged in allows you to keep all your links, etc. regardless of which computer you are using.
I personally use Vivaldi. There's not a single browser with this many useful features. And I'm not talking about email and calendar, I don't use them. They have useful features like manual tab hibernation, tab stacking, animated themes, horizontal tabs, saving sessions, their own sync system, their own email(like gmail), workspaces, etc. I tried to move to firefox a few days ago. I Just can't, Vivaldi quality of life features are too good. By
@@Gregorius421 Yes, vivaldi used to be like that. But last year(i think) they optimized their browser for speed, now in my potato laptop, vivaldi is as fast as chrome or brave, while running ~50 tabs (most of them hibernated of course)
I'm telling you bro, if one is looking for Chrome in Linux appstore, the warning window that appears should be not about some licenses but about serious psychological help and even a phone numbers of psychological help lines.
But Opera DOES have its own extension store, and if they’re continuing to support V2 then it may become the go-to store for V2-preserving chromium browsers
Is zen stable for general use yet? I use firefox and generally have a lot of tabs open, and I cant afford losing them I have tried zen for a few minutes and it was quite nice
@@harshnj ya.. I also do have a lot of tabs opened at a time,now that i have moved to zen,i haven't noticed any issue in my workflow... If i had found any issues,then definitely would have switched back to Firefox.
Pretty sure firefox have an extension called berry tab or something which is the same thing. Also come with a myriad of other features like grouping tabs or naming them. But i guess its not as popular
The biggest problem for Firefox for me is that it isn't as optimized as chrome's engine. It doesn't share commonly used resource between websites resulting Firefox uses way more memory than chrome based browser.
An important note: There are "Hardened" versions of Firefox you can install that still use vanilla Firefox, but take away all the unnecessary features they've added as of late. Basically the vanilla version of Waterfox, etc. that doesn't rely on being updated after Firefox has already updated.
I used Opera for about 20 years, from early 00s. Had to finally bail about a year ago when they "did an Adobe" and release a version with a horrible tab-deleting bug. I'd have my usual workspaces open, for work, to read, to buy, etc., it was really important for work that those tabs stayed where they were. Opened Opera one day and all were gone. I rebuilt 90% of them from history, next time I opened, they were gone again. This went on for weeks, I really didn't want to bail. There was a thread on their forums for weeks, begging them to fix the bug. We got SFA from them. Saw a vid about Vivaldi, switched, went through some tedium to customise my icons, finally got them to work, and never looked back. Glad to hear V should be usable after the extension cutoff, but if there are YT vid issues, I'll just use one of the Firefox based options here. Thanks for the video, it's VERY helpful!
Blocking adds via dns or the router is massively painful compared to an extension though due to the ergonomics of blocking or unblocking certain elements.
Honestly if you care about what companies and CEOs do and think then you might aswell not touch a browser. Firefox - Mozilla bad Firefox derivitives - very delayed updates, more prone to exploits. Chrome - Google evil Edge - Microsoft Evil Opera - China bad Brave - CEO bad Tor - 2 years to open a page Other chromium based - irrelevant
@@FafthriechRalofson They did some affiliate link redirects in 2020 to make money. and many don't like the entire bat system even though you don't ever need to be part of it. He also made some political donations some don't agree with. Really in terms of craziness I have seen CEOs do it is pretty low on the scale,
In my personal experience Vivaldi's built-in adblocker sucked more than any other adblocker I've used. I've been getting ads from time to time, and specifically on UA-cam often times I'd need to hit the "skip" button even tho no ad was displayed.
Oof, I don't think Mullvad got a fare share. You should make it your primary driver for a while. You might start seeing it as a top pick for switching browsers.
Been using floorp ever since I switched to Linux, the workspaces feature is very useful and more intuitive than something like tab grouping in microsoft edge
Even if you ignore Vivaldi's 'subsystems' it still has very useful tab pile and stacking, integrated EXIF among other things that impresses, and I love tab coloring. Then, annoyingly they never take the time to comply with Linux dark mode. Could be such good fit! As for Brave, the cripto wallet allows for paying creators associated with them (some UA-camrs included), although yeah, it is not something entirely innocent. Still, they way to go for UA-cam watching as Google won't detect or interfere with its ad blocker.
It's been a lifesaver for me. I've got it on my Win10 machine and my very VERY old linux laptop (6G, from 2008!) and even being a heavy browser, I was able to get it to work fine there.
Since chromium is open source anyway, can't all chromium forks just not implement manifest v3? And then you would download the old manifest V2 from the extensions websites themselves?
It's a massive uphill battle and many of these forks rely on piggybacking off of the free work of Google engineers which was the trap Google set in the first place. All of them would need a massively larger dev team to manage compatibility and security once they started to veer off far enough. That's why most are essentially just skins with built in extensions.
Never used Chrome and I don't know why most people magically used it after it came out back when it released. Maybe a lot of invasive ads to promote it.
Firefox is better integrated in Linux than Chrome based browsers, especially in Wayland. I was a major Chrome user until I switched to Plasma's Wayland session on my Surface Pro. Firefox works well with Wayland pretty much out of the box. You just have to set one global environment variable. Chrome based browsers require that a local variable is set for EVERY Chrome instance, to include every PWA, just to get the onscreen keyboard to appear. If you're using a desktop or laptop with an attached keyboard, that's not a big deal. However, if you're using a 2-in-1 without the keyboard attached, or you want to flip the keyboard out of the way and just use the touchscreen, it's best just to use Firefox.
I like the way Zen really gets out of the way. It sure would be better if we could use the tab bar anywhere we like (even at the bottom of the browser), but it's really been a smooth ride
Zen is great (if you like vertical tabs). It's FOSS, modern (with the occasional understandably broken feature) and really expansive and flexible (mods that can fundamentally change the browser layout, installable from the store with the click of a button). It's got a great open community that I've been involved in for a few of weeks and it's rapidly evolving with every release. I recommend trying it if you're happy to try a new layout (which may or may not be better for you - depends on your preferences). I'll try to get an option or at least a mod for horizontal tabs (although I think vertical should be the default).
Oh, cool. I'll check Zen out. I most dislike Chromium browsers because I prefer vertical bookmarks bar and they don't permit it, so this works for me. Thanks for the work to overview these alternatives. 😘💕 E2A: Nevermind, I think I must have miss-understood. Tabs are vertical, bookmarks horizontal, which is totally wrong, uninstalled again :D
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Biggest thing that's keeping me from moving to Firefox on my phone and my Linux machine is the total lack of PWA/web app support (in their own separate window). No, PWAsForFirefox is not good enough.
I was using Vivaldi, but since it's based on Chromium, kept crashing and having weird bugs that other people didn't experience, decided to hop on a few Firefox forks till I found Floorp and matched it with Sidebery. I really love the customisability that Floorp has which is pretty similar to Vivaldi's approach, but I can even muck around with the UI and sidebars which I couldn't with Vivaldi previously. Even managed to make it function similarly to how Edge Chromium's vertical side bars since they can auto-hide, which is nice.
Long term Chrome user, never particularly liked Firefox default UI or text rendering, switched to Zen last weekend though and it's now my default browser :) Takes a bit to get used to the side layout for tabs, but really like it now though and get a much more minimal UI layout and more space for viewing the web page.
Firefox seems stable, especially when I play this web MMO game tankionline. When ever I use chrome based browser, Tanki works for a while but then crashes and heats up the CPU, sort of scares me. OperaGX on Win11 looked nice, but I don't like that idea a Chinese Consortium controls it and they never ported to Linux been like 2 years now.
including mail and calendar doesn't make the app "the full OS". "i don't think that belongs in a browser" - that's valid, and that's why one can turn it off. i also don't think videocalls belongs to browser Brave too. does it make it an OS for some reason? no? so "if you just wanna browser that has plenty of features and are able to ignore ..." is applicable to Vivaldi too.
Thanks for this video! Vertical tabs are my thing so when you described Zen I installed it and I'm really liking it so far. I know Firefox also has vertical tabs but they're not as configurable.
Glad I never jumped on the Chrome bandwagon. Been using Firefox since v1.0. Apparently, a lot of people didn't learn the lesson from when Microsoft ruled the browser space. We're right back in the same boat.
Zen browser is amazing, I presonally really prefer using vertical tabs cuz you can do so much more with tab management, horizontal tab management is a nightmare. Also, Zen is going to have horizontal tabs option in the next update probably, the dev has announced it. You can also do it now with css CSS editing
I am gonna stay with Firefox. I have thought a couple times of switching to a Firefox forks but since they are getting updates slower and usually don‘t add anything you can‘t do in normal Firefox with some small tweaks, I never really saw a good reason to switch and instead just removed all Mozilla crap and did some other tweaks manually.
I am using Firefox since the first Firebird days. Firefox never let me down. As a developer I am using many other brothers for professional purposes. But for all kind of casual and private browsing I will stick with Firefox as long as possible. All extensions are working well and I am enjoying an ad-free, safe browsing. I hope Firefox will benefit from the current situation because seen through the glasses of "IT politics" Firefox is the most user friendly browser. IMPORTANT: You did not mention the huge contributions Mozilla made to the Open Source community. The Rust language was basically developed to improve the stability and memory model of Firefox and since Mozilla made Rust an open source project Rust is rising and loved by many developers. Some Rust code gets nowadays even used in the Linux kernel.
I use Firefox since 2007 and I use Debian Trixie currently. So, I don't give a ***k anything chrome based. As per Brave, I really don't like their aggressiveness against Firefox and Mozilla lately and even if they claim their browser is better than Firefox, No it is not. I'll keep using Firefox and Firefox based browsers forever.
i use firefox on both linux and windows, but it's worth mentioning that many linux based dvr's and nvr's use a ie plugin for web viewing of cameras, which requires using edge in ie compatibility mode, which the other browsers can't do.
People say Firefox will fail without Google. But Firefox isn't a service it's a product. Once a large percentage of chrome users move to Firefox I'm sure donations will flow in to replace the Google sponser. Especially if they drop any pesky Google relations
Now, there is an interesting case, when due to corporate policy you're stuck either with Chrome or Edge. And between those two, Edge is better, because it at least has vertical tabs lol
I would love to use Firefox & did for a while, but there are just so many basic things that just don't work... - Mobile/Desktop history sync: if I'm lucky, a day later it will show up on the other device. - Mobile/Desktop password share: Forget it - Back button closes tab (without history): Desktop nope, mobile nope. - Use local extensions: Yes but you have to re-enable them every startup unless you use the dev version which for some reason failed to pull my data from the standard so I didn't bother. Probably more I don't remember now... Was fully ready to switch and tried to commit, but after 6 months I couldn't take it anymore and had to switch.
Watching this on Waterfox. Been happy with it by and large. Has a weird problem with my cable modem on one computer (Windows) but works fine on my Linux machines.
I had no idea about Zen, I use edge (for school purposes, not personal because my school used Microsoft 365) because of workspaces and vertical tabs and wish Firefox had those features. Interesting to see Zen has those 2 features I want, I'm switching
Firefox is my primary desktop browser and I use Brave on my phone. I have to keep Chrome around for the odd website that refuses to work properly in Firefox, but that's all I use it for.
I use Vivaldi. I don't think it's the best thing ever either but I appreciate the insane amount of tools/settings over there. Every time I think about needing some feature, Vivaldi seems to have it. I might not stick with it for the long run or maybe I will. But, it's a very decent browser regardless.
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What about Gnome Web? Based on webkit
Do you have a cold, Nick?
Why no Palemoon mention? Palemoon is fully opensource and supports linux and windows.
Already using Firefox as it came bundled with Linux Mint.
what about yandex browser
So funny that Chrome gets hit with anti trust the second they finally get their manifest 3 adblock killer rolled out after so many delays.
Karma is real
Chrome: manifest time
Us government: no its Mani fist time
I mean it is a great example of them abusing their monopoly. They are making the biggest web browser no longer able to block their money maker ads as easily.
Chrome got everyone hooked in, then switched to an advert delivery spyware app, just like they do with UA-cam and Android generally.
So, ha ha ha, it's about time they had a bloody nose for their anticompetitive tactics.
I hope they are made to sell Android and UA-cam too.
@@TheLinuxEXP I wish it was.
Unfortunately humans have to fight continuously to make it real, and I feel we've/karma's been losing battles a lot recently.
Now is the perfect time for Mozilla to not act stupid and push firefox forward
Lmao, that aint gonna happen
too late, mozilla just fired its entire advocacy department. time for a new challenger.
@@LieseFury maybe they will use AI from now on? /j
@@5fr4ewqi laugh so i don't cry
Hahahaha, no. Seriously just switch to libre wolf, brave and or tor.
Firefox wins by doing absolutely nothing again. Thanks google.
by crashing every 30 minutes in my case...
Since Mozilla started adding adds to my hometab every other week I switched to libre wolf.
@@stclaws9580 skill issue 😭
Winning in what? Firefox is the less performant browser, and also gets funds from google. If chrome usage decreases or if it gets separeted from google I don't think Firefox gets any funding from them. Also considering that usa is pro-microsoft(they don't care if Microsoft "or xbox" buys gaming studios, they don't care about the game pass, they only care of google and steam "monopolies"), edge will be the dominant browser
Less performance in some tasks, winning in other tasks, and exactly the same in real life
As an extension developer, I can assure you that what they've done to browser extensions is far worse than anything you might have read. For example, they’ve made bi-directional communication between your machine's localhost and the extension completely impossible. Now, to interact with your computer, you’re forced to route everything through an external server. So now it's slow and it cost money.
The previous method was 100% safe, but they removed it simply because they don’t want extensions to be too powerful. No more persistent background services, etc, etc...
This is absolutely INSANE.
They’re actively preventing you from using the Internet the way it was originally designed to be used. Instead, everything must go through their services, locking you into their ecosystem.
Seriously, stop letting yourself be brainwashed by arguments about memory consumption or millisecond differences in page loading times. Firefox is great. As a dev., I love container tabs for example, to load a website with different sessions.
Just switch to Firefox or another browser that isn’t controlled by big tech!
Mozilla's folding to big tech and advertisers is why everyone quit using it. Bad ideas moves and greed. Let's hope Ladybird will be its successor as Mozzila is on the path to being totally bankrupt. You can tell with all the firings.
@@gogereaver349 Awful management indeed. At least it's fortunate Firefox is open source.
Care to share what extension you made? I would like to try it out on my firefox. 😅
I already switched to Firefox a few years ago, so it's not a problem for me. The nice thing about Firefox is that you can use extensions on mobile devices (that's if it's supported for mobile).
Like UA-cam with UBlock origin no more ads EVER on UA-cam. Having the mobile UA-cam application is like walking on a mine field with scams, NSFW content, malware, cripto, etc.
@@UA-camEnjoyer1UA-cam Revanced also works like a charm. But make sure to use the manager to patch the apk file. The official release doesn't distribute full apk files. It also works on UA-cam Music and Spotify.
On Firefox mobile, all I need is adblocker (uBlock Origin) and password manager (Bitwarden), which are supported already.
@@UA-camEnjoyer1 You can use youtube as if you had yourube premium. You can minimize it, use pop up player, etc. And any other video. I also use noscript for extra security.
Floorp = Firefox with Edge-like UI
Zen = Firefox with Arc-like UI
This is the two I use.
Libre fox = what?
Brave too.
Tor = equals I wasn't doing nothing sir.
@@hitandruncommentor libre fox does not exist
Mercury = Thorium but Firefox
@@hitandruncommentor If you mean LibreWolf, this one is mentioned in the video and is a Firefox derivative.
Using firefox … don’t care
Same here.
Except Firefox is stagnating even worse than Chromium based browsers ever did. Lacks some pretty useful features like PWAs, too. Hopefully Ladybird browser takes off, so we have a decent Open Source competitor to Chromium again.
Same
Firefox can be hardened. You can install a user.js like betterfox for example.
yeah firefox really doesn't care about it's users !! highest ram usage ever !
Firefox + uBlock Origin Gang
+ Popup blocker
@@hecekhektor9404 just use ublock filters for that
Librewolf or bust.
@@cavvieira What are those ? Forks ? Do they work well ?
AdGuard
Greetings, my firefox kin.
"Floorp is the stupidest name I've ever heard" says while giving alternate options to a brand named Google
"Let me floorp it"
"What?"
@@dshcfhI get your point, but we all know nobody knew what a "Google" was back in the day. Another slight difference, I see Google as a verb and Floorp would almost certainly only ever be a noun.
Google rolls off the tongue. Floorp doesnt and makes you sound like you are swallowing something
Lol
Floorp makes me think of some Alien word or Qbert...heh
"Floorp" is the noise Jello makes when it accidentally slips out of the bowl and hits the floor.
That's better than the one i came up with. A frog throwing up. lol
@@Tall_Order Or my dog throwing up! He's the only dog I have ever seen throw up an entire meal in a single ball. More convenient to clean up, but extra-super disgusting!
the sound when you pull out too late
I've used firefox for years. I never saw appeal in using chrome over it. I even themed my firefox so it looks like the 2015 version because I liked that look more. I never saw browser that was that customizable.
Unfortunately most crypto extensions are written for chromium web browser (personally I use Brave)
@@Lex_Invictus Not meaning to hate, but what do they really do to be that important?
@@Lex_Invictus that's not a big deal for those who doesn't do crypto
I've been using the Libre Wolf AppImage on Linux Mint 21 for a good stretch.
Chrome was legit great when it first launched. It was lightning fast and was pretty much 100% compatible with every website.
Now it's a resource hog that is bloated with undesirable features and collects as much of your personal data as possible.
3 years ago. "Goodbye Firefox". Welcome back chief!
Oh I had only dropped it for like a month and realized everything else was garbage
Zombie company. Louis Rossman commented on this in regards to UA-cam’s unskippable ads: When a company has to resort to nickel and dimming its users, it’s over - they’re in a terminal state
Firefox is absolutely great!
i think the name of floorp is really good its just a really fun word to say
Haha I hate saying it out loud to friends, but it’s a funny word
You might try using it as a mild expletive. For example, "What the floorp were you thinking?" Or, "Floorp me."
@@MichaelEhling I can't floorping believe it!
@@gastonlagaffe7547 Floorp the floorpin' floorp out of those floorp floorpers.
Not to be a downer - I’m pretty sure I read that the dev named browser after a friend of his who died.
15:09 Mullvad doesn't use TOR network. It's hardened TOR browser without TOR network.
There is nothing left to browse on Internet. Desktop browsers are just a safer way to access platforms that exist primarily in the mobile space. A web browser is only worth for its privacy and adblocker capabilities.
Neocities. Newgrounds. Blogs. Forums.
I try to keep mobile apps to a minimum. They are for the most part a more privacy invasive way to do what a web browser could.
Been using Firefox since 2006. Never will I ever replace my favorite fox.
2004 here! (Not bragging, just showing support!)
2:45 Firefox doesn’t support the Web Serial Protocol, which if you’re into using web tools to program microcontrollers, means you have to keep a copy of chrome alongside Firefox. I really wish non chrome browsers would implement this.
What's wrong with using the mozilla web serial api?
Same with the Bluetooth api. It's so easy to make these sort of hardware configuration type applications in the web stack, especially with WASM. It's a major shame Firefox doesn't feature the APIs that make them work. Even PWAs are such an easy miss that just boggles the mind. If you're into web dev at any level you're always better served by just downloading Chromium on the side.
Just add it to the code and compile it
I'm surprised there was no mention of Pale Moon, which is an OLD fork of Firefox (2008?). They use their own store and their own rendering engine.
I've been using Firefox for the last 3-4 years now, started when I decided it was time to leave Chrome behind. I mainly started using it for the popout video player that is enabled via a simple icon you click in the video. Haven't looked back since.
Same here, I found firefox mobile is actually quite decent. Since it's basically the only mobile browser supports add-ons, I really don't get why people don't use it more often.
@@hansenxavier4403/videos Firefox on mobile was always the worst choice years ago. Now, with faster phones and later Android versions, that may have changed. A lot of us are still on older phones and Android versions and may have tried Firefox before and it wasn't a good experience. Bad experiences tend to stay with us longer than good ones. Maybe that's why.
I have no idea how Google managed to get the most users. Apart from maybe taking advantage of the amount of people who don't know anything about computers and browsers.
Knowing about advertising and browsers means I would never use a browser from a giant advertising company.
I am using Kiwi browser for that and for the devtools
Honestly i love zen so much. The zen glance(where it opens the page in a pop up instead of a new tab is great for me)
If you want small Vivaldi isn't it. If you want big, multi-platform, fully featured, configurable, as private as you choose, Vivaldi is awesome; although perhaps less so now.
Why less so?
MS Edge actually has a somewhat valid reason to be used: In a work environment where everything is connected to your MS account.
Oh yeah, it actually makes Bing quite useful
Yeah, but counterpoint: it's a microsoft product
Create a problem, sell a product.
I’d rather quit that job and live under a bridge
Yep, and if you use multiple different computers at work, having your MS account logged in allows you to keep all your links, etc. regardless of which computer you are using.
I personally use Vivaldi. There's not a single browser with this many useful features. And I'm not talking about email and calendar, I don't use them. They have useful features like manual tab hibernation, tab stacking, animated themes, horizontal tabs, saving sessions, their own sync system, their own email(like gmail), workspaces, etc. I tried to move to firefox a few days ago. I Just can't, Vivaldi quality of life features are too good. By
I used to love Vivaldi many years ago, but then it became a resource-hog and I had to move.
@@Gregorius421that’s fixed. I’ve tested on modern down to 15 year old computers and it runs great
@@Gregorius421 Yes, vivaldi used to be like that. But last year(i think) they optimized their browser for speed, now in my potato laptop, vivaldi is as fast as chrome or brave, while running ~50 tabs (most of them hibernated of course)
I'm telling you bro, if one is looking for Chrome in Linux appstore, the warning window that appears should be not about some licenses but about serious psychological help and even a phone numbers of psychological help lines.
I think web devs want to make sure their site loads correctly on Chrome
Been a Firefox since 0.6 alpha. Never had a need to switch.
Same here. Firebird 0.6 was such a relieve compared with IE. And since then Firebird/Firefox got better and better.
But Opera DOES have its own extension store, and if they’re continuing to support V2 then it may become the go-to store for V2-preserving chromium browsers
I've been using Zen for the past two weeks, and I love the vertical tabs; that's one of the main reasons I use it. 🎉
And Moved to zen from firefox...
They're actually Firefox Nightly's vertical tabs, that should be released to Firefox at some point in the future
Is zen stable for general use yet? I use firefox and generally have a lot of tabs open, and I cant afford losing them
I have tried zen for a few minutes and it was quite nice
@@harshnj ya.. I also do have a lot of tabs opened at a time,now that i have moved to zen,i haven't noticed any issue in my workflow...
If i had found any issues,then definitely would have switched back to Firefox.
I use vertical tabs in Firefox, btw
Pretty sure firefox have an extension called berry tab or something which is the same thing. Also come with a myriad of other features like grouping tabs or naming them. But i guess its not as popular
Still hoping for you to revisit Asahi in 2024 🙏
Oops I meant hoping
Hmmm, the Tokyo HQ of the Japanese beer company🤔?! Oh, sorry, you mean that OTHER Asahi🤣!!!
The biggest problem for Firefox for me is that it isn't as optimized as chrome's engine. It doesn't share commonly used resource between websites resulting Firefox uses way more memory than chrome based browser.
An important note: There are "Hardened" versions of Firefox you can install that still use vanilla Firefox, but take away all the unnecessary features they've added as of late. Basically the vanilla version of Waterfox, etc. that doesn't rely on being updated after Firefox has already updated.
I used Opera for about 20 years, from early 00s. Had to finally bail about a year ago when they "did an Adobe" and release a version with a horrible tab-deleting bug. I'd have my usual workspaces open, for work, to read, to buy, etc., it was really important for work that those tabs stayed where they were. Opened Opera one day and all were gone. I rebuilt 90% of them from history, next time I opened, they were gone again. This went on for weeks, I really didn't want to bail. There was a thread on their forums for weeks, begging them to fix the bug. We got SFA from them. Saw a vid about Vivaldi, switched, went through some tedium to customise my icons, finally got them to work, and never looked back. Glad to hear V should be usable after the extension cutoff, but if there are YT vid issues, I'll just use one of the Firefox based options here.
Thanks for the video, it's VERY helpful!
MS Edge on my Linux system ??? Oh hell no ! Thats not gonna happen ! I use router to block ads so dont care much :)
How do you block ads in the router? Do you have some program that makes the router block ip address known to be of ads?
Blocking adds via dns or the router is massively painful compared to an extension though due to the ergonomics of blocking or unblocking certain elements.
@@no_name4796 that's a DNS sinkhole I believe, Pihole is a popular one
AdGuard DNS
I use edge for *one* purpose: web apps for a few select sites such as sketchup and nebula. that's it.
Waiting for ladybird..
Project made by a transphobe and homophobe? No thank you
They jumped the shark as soon as they chose a programming language that only supports mac
Looking forward to the new Ladybird browser.
Im looking forward to serenity os
It’s gonna take at least 2-3 years from now at a minimum but better late than never
my eggs are placed in this basket personally
Honestly if you care about what companies and CEOs do and think then you might aswell not touch a browser.
Firefox - Mozilla bad
Firefox derivitives - very delayed updates, more prone to exploits.
Chrome - Google evil
Edge - Microsoft Evil
Opera - China bad
Brave - CEO bad
Tor - 2 years to open a page
Other chromium based - irrelevant
What is bad about Brave's ceo
@@FafthriechRalofson They did some affiliate link redirects in 2020 to make money. and many don't like the entire bat system even though you don't ever need to be part of it. He also made some political donations some don't agree with. Really in terms of craziness I have seen CEOs do it is pretty low on the scale,
@@gogereaver349 damn a CEO making political donations? now that is over the line what a scumbag.
Bad is better than evil.
@@FafthriechRalofson lol
In my personal experience Vivaldi's built-in adblocker sucked more than any other adblocker I've used. I've been getting ads from time to time, and specifically on UA-cam often times I'd need to hit the "skip" button even tho no ad was displayed.
Some important features that I feel are missing in firefox (as a dev): View Transitions API, Filesystem API and WASM GC
Why did they get rid of that badass feature to view pages in 3D?
Filesystem API is really not a good idea in it's current form. WASM GC will happen but it need to be standardized afaik
Vivaldi can be switched to use native operating system windows so it integrates just fine on that setting.
Who tf even uses Chrome and watches linux-focused content
Surprisingly, quite a few people!
Brave is a chromium browser too
Normiea
Is chrome even available on Linux?
and why you even here? seems like this panda never touch a grass
Oof, I don't think Mullvad got a fare share. You should make it your primary driver for a while. You might start seeing it as a top pick for switching browsers.
Been using floorp ever since I switched to Linux, the workspaces feature is very useful and more intuitive than something like tab grouping in microsoft edge
Turns out that Safari is not the most disappointing browser anymore 😂
Any proprietary browser is disappointing
@@lucascamelo3079it’s not, there are other WebKit browsers. Epiphany is the main one and Orion on Mac (which is neat but ai and a shoddy ceo to boot)
I used floorp its really nice, i did use zen too i just can get use to the tab on the side as i am a mouse clicker.
Not a huge fan of Zen’s layout either, but I’ll learn to love it for the extra speed I get with it!
Garuda switched from librewolf to floorp and I won't lie I like it a lot
Even if you ignore Vivaldi's 'subsystems' it still has very useful tab pile and stacking, integrated EXIF among other things that impresses, and I love tab coloring. Then, annoyingly they never take the time to comply with Linux dark mode. Could be such good fit! As for Brave, the cripto wallet allows for paying creators associated with them (some UA-camrs included), although yeah, it is not something entirely innocent. Still, they way to go for UA-cam watching as Google won't detect or interfere with its ad blocker.
It's been a lifesaver for me. I've got it on my Win10 machine and my very VERY old linux laptop (6G, from 2008!) and even being a heavy browser, I was able to get it to work fine there.
Since chromium is open source anyway, can't all chromium forks just not implement manifest v3? And then you would download the old manifest V2 from the extensions websites themselves?
Some will (like brave), but some won't
It's a massive uphill battle and many of these forks rely on piggybacking off of the free work of Google engineers which was the trap Google set in the first place.
All of them would need a massively larger dev team to manage compatibility and security once they started to veer off far enough. That's why most are essentially just skins with built in extensions.
Never used Chrome and I don't know why most people magically used it after it came out back when it released. Maybe a lot of invasive ads to promote it.
Same. Chrome was pretty bad for a long time, but everyone was switching to it. Never understood why
No mention of Ladybird?
Virtually nonexistent right now, no reason to mention it until it becomes a real program normal people can use
Firefox is better integrated in Linux than Chrome based browsers, especially in Wayland. I was a major Chrome user until I switched to Plasma's Wayland session on my Surface Pro. Firefox works well with Wayland pretty much out of the box. You just have to set one global environment variable. Chrome based browsers require that a local variable is set for EVERY Chrome instance, to include every PWA, just to get the onscreen keyboard to appear. If you're using a desktop or laptop with an attached keyboard, that's not a big deal. However, if you're using a 2-in-1 without the keyboard attached, or you want to flip the keyboard out of the way and just use the touchscreen, it's best just to use Firefox.
I've been running Zen for the last couple of weeks, I like it so far - except the vertical tabs, like you lol.
I like the way Zen really gets out of the way. It sure would be better if we could use the tab bar anywhere we like (even at the bottom of the browser), but it's really been a smooth ride
Zen is great (if you like vertical tabs). It's FOSS, modern (with the occasional understandably broken feature) and really expansive and flexible (mods that can fundamentally change the browser layout, installable from the store with the click of a button). It's got a great open community that I've been involved in for a few of weeks and it's rapidly evolving with every release. I recommend trying it if you're happy to try a new layout (which may or may not be better for you - depends on your preferences). I'll try to get an option or at least a mod for horizontal tabs (although I think vertical should be the default).
Oh, cool. I'll check Zen out.
I most dislike Chromium browsers because I prefer vertical bookmarks bar and they don't permit it, so this works for me.
Thanks for the work to overview these alternatives. 😘💕
E2A: Nevermind, I think I must have miss-understood. Tabs are vertical, bookmarks horizontal, which is totally wrong, uninstalled again :D
vivaldi has bookmarks sidebar (chromium based) but it's much more resource-intensive
@@Gregorius421 Yea, but it's a wide bar though, right? I like a slither for icons only.
Please dear Nicolas, don't call blockchain being total crap 😤
NFTs, web3 and smart contracts are indeed marketing garbage but P2P blockchain tech itself is absolutely fascinating 👽
Thumbs up just for the sentence in the thumbnail.
surely zen will have one of those mods for horizontal tabs soon.. i kinda like'em tho xD
Biggest thing that's keeping me from moving to Firefox on my phone and my Linux machine is the total lack of PWA/web app support (in their own separate window). No, PWAsForFirefox is not good enough.
Floorp sounds like what happens when a frog throws up.
I'm currently using Zen and I'm loving it so far! Can't wait for tab groups ^^
I was using Vivaldi, but since it's based on Chromium, kept crashing and having weird bugs that other people didn't experience, decided to hop on a few Firefox forks till I found Floorp and matched it with Sidebery. I really love the customisability that Floorp has which is pretty similar to Vivaldi's approach, but I can even muck around with the UI and sidebars which I couldn't with Vivaldi previously. Even managed to make it function similarly to how Edge Chromium's vertical side bars since they can auto-hide, which is nice.
Floorp may sound stupid, but you aren't going to forget it, nor will you confuse it with anything else.
Long term Chrome user, never particularly liked Firefox default UI or text rendering, switched to Zen last weekend though and it's now my default browser :) Takes a bit to get used to the side layout for tabs, but really like it now though and get a much more minimal UI layout and more space for viewing the web page.
Firefox seems stable, especially when I play this web MMO game tankionline. When ever I use chrome based browser, Tanki works for a while but then crashes and heats up the CPU, sort of scares me. OperaGX on Win11 looked nice, but I don't like that idea a Chinese Consortium controls it and they never ported to Linux been like 2 years now.
including mail and calendar doesn't make the app "the full OS".
"i don't think that belongs in a browser" - that's valid, and that's why one can turn it off.
i also don't think videocalls belongs to browser Brave too. does it make it an OS for some reason? no?
so "if you just wanna browser that has plenty of features and are able to ignore ..." is applicable to Vivaldi too.
both are bloated
so basically if Firefox and thunderbird were the same app
Vivaldi ftw
It's worth mentioning that Zen is still in active development so it's likely some things will be broken for a bit.
Thanks for this video! Vertical tabs are my thing so when you described Zen I installed it and I'm really liking it so far. I know Firefox also has vertical tabs but they're not as configurable.
if you want floorp without the dumpster fire name, get firedragon, it's a fork that does the same thing, but the name is way better
Glad I never jumped on the Chrome bandwagon. Been using Firefox since v1.0. Apparently, a lot of people didn't learn the lesson from when Microsoft ruled the browser space. We're right back in the same boat.
Really enjoy Iceraven on the phone.
That's what I use on phone too. On Linux, I'm with Edge right now.
Zen browser is amazing, I presonally really prefer using vertical tabs cuz you can do so much more with tab management, horizontal tab management is a nightmare. Also, Zen is going to have horizontal tabs option in the next update probably, the dev has announced it. You can also do it now with css CSS editing
Farking florp :D Sounds like something from guardians of the galaxy :)
I am gonna stay with Firefox. I have thought a couple times of switching to a Firefox forks but since they are getting updates slower and usually don‘t add anything you can‘t do in normal Firefox with some small tweaks, I never really saw a good reason to switch and instead just removed all Mozilla crap and did some other tweaks manually.
Google make money from ads:Bad! You make money from ads. Good? Explain.
Recently switched from Firefox to Vivaldi, which is everything I want in a browser! 😊
OG Firefox user. I'm using Firefox on Android Right Now watching this video.
Since 2004!
I am using Firefox since the first Firebird days. Firefox never let me down. As a developer I am using many other brothers for professional purposes. But for all kind of casual and private browsing I will stick with Firefox as long as possible. All extensions are working well and I am enjoying an ad-free, safe browsing. I hope Firefox will benefit from the current situation because seen through the glasses of "IT politics" Firefox is the most user friendly browser. IMPORTANT: You did not mention the huge contributions Mozilla made to the Open Source community. The Rust language was basically developed to improve the stability and memory model of Firefox and since Mozilla made Rust an open source project Rust is rising and loved by many developers. Some Rust code gets nowadays even used in the Linux kernel.
Edge is more "the part of Windows that reads the web" than a standalone Browser. For that I always have Firefox.
Good - Waterfox, librewolf, florp, Mullvard, Chromium
Average - Brave, Vivaldi, Edge, firefox
You left out the qutebrowser for those of us who like vim and surfing from the keyboard.
I use Firefox since 2007 and I use Debian Trixie currently. So, I don't give a ***k anything chrome based. As per Brave, I really don't like their aggressiveness against Firefox and Mozilla lately and even if they claim their browser is better than Firefox, No it is not. I'll keep using Firefox and Firefox based browsers forever.
i use firefox on both linux and windows, but it's worth mentioning that many linux based dvr's and nvr's use a ie plugin for web viewing of cameras, which requires using edge in ie compatibility mode, which the other browsers can't do.
you missed firedragon (made by garuda developers) and midori next generation (made by astian) : )
Don't forget the new Netscape Navigator.
People say Firefox will fail without Google. But Firefox isn't a service it's a product. Once a large percentage of chrome users move to Firefox I'm sure donations will flow in to replace the Google sponser. Especially if they drop any pesky Google relations
Now, there is an interesting case, when due to corporate policy you're stuck either with Chrome or Edge. And between those two, Edge is better, because it at least has vertical tabs lol
I would love to use Firefox & did for a while, but there are just so many basic things that just don't work...
- Mobile/Desktop history sync: if I'm lucky, a day later it will show up on the other device.
- Mobile/Desktop password share: Forget it
- Back button closes tab (without history): Desktop nope, mobile nope.
- Use local extensions: Yes but you have to re-enable them every startup unless you use the dev version which for some reason failed to pull my data from the standard so I didn't bother.
Probably more I don't remember now...
Was fully ready to switch and tried to commit, but after 6 months I couldn't take it anymore and had to switch.
Edge is much better than Chrome somehow. I didn't expect I would praise Edge over anything, but currently I am liking it.
Watching this on Waterfox. Been happy with it by and large. Has a weird problem with my cable modem on one computer (Windows) but works fine on my Linux machines.
I'm also on waterfox in linux!
There is actually option for manifest v2 extension in brave settings to install them in one click
floorp does catch my attention for the sidebar thing you mentioned at the end of the segment
I had no idea about Zen, I use edge (for school purposes, not personal because my school used Microsoft 365) because of workspaces and vertical tabs and wish Firefox had those features. Interesting to see Zen has those 2 features I want, I'm switching
Firefox! My Oldies! Never used Chrome and the other browser is been using since many years. Glad they still provide the Windows Version.
Firefox is my primary desktop browser and I use Brave on my phone. I have to keep Chrome around for the odd website that refuses to work properly in Firefox, but that's all I use it for.
I use Vivaldi. I don't think it's the best thing ever either but I appreciate the insane amount of tools/settings over there. Every time I think about needing some feature, Vivaldi seems to have it.
I might not stick with it for the long run or maybe I will. But, it's a very decent browser regardless.
Hey now!!!! i love floorp and don't mind the name...it's memorable! it works great.