If I remember right, the swiss commerce chamber calculated that the increase of the price for a "swiss made" carbon fiber frame (or any heavy machinery), is around 18% more, in the final price. Please, don't forget that the price Santa-Cruz buys in Asia is nothing near the price we pay. So, for a frame, we are speaking about a 140$ difference, that I would be glad to pay if they would care about their customers. The problem is, after they took their 300% margins, those "little fees" are making a big difference. I would like Santa-Cruz, and other great american bike builders, to overthink their actual strategy. There is nothing to gain in taking us for stupid goats. I was seriously interested in a Bronson, but their way of doing is bad, and I don't buy overexpensive penis enlargers.
many are buying Santa Cruz Bronson... but you seem to not be able to save up... DON'T CHEAT YOURSELF... TREAT YOURSELF! If you can't afford Carbon just get Aluminum. it's only $6000!
I actually drive a part carbon / part aluminium, from a german Brand called Alutech. It works well, it is sturdy like the old kona's, and is a good compromise of weight and sturdyness (in direction of sturdyness). I like this bike. But I would have bought SantaCruz if the price policy would not have been what it is now.
wish could buy a Santa Cruz bike but I have no money USD that I can buy I am 14 years old live in Philippines I am simple boy I love all you guys making bike 😊😢😊
I had one too and thought any hill you couldn't carry speed over was way worse than any braking bumps. Did your's have the rear disk IS mount mine didn't?
@@JohnBooth I had a front disc and rear caliper brake. My buddy somehow modified it with a rear brake and a 26" rear tire. The 24 inch rear tire was treacherous. Funny, I JUST got it back from him, I'm going to turn it into wall art for my workshop/garage.
It's sad my dear Bronson friends. I didn't liked Giant in the times, and I didn't like them now. So I enjoyed those crazy Kona, those incredibly nimble Ellsworth's, those bulky Intense and mad machines of Cyclecraft... now I have only one choice left, and i hate this. We have a friend that bought a chinese cross country carbon frame for 400$, we saw that this is the exact same frame as sold by Specialized for 2'600$. Even some very specific details in the integration of the screws are the same. This will not last long, and peoples will start to buy the chinese originals, and not the 6x pricier rebrands. America has contributed so much in the mountainbike sports, I would find it sad, that capitalism destroys the core of this industry.
I call it the China Syndrome, people want everything on the cheap. It has spread into everything. People go on the internet and get the cheapest cost, they don't seem to care how it was made or the quality. Take care
Diverse reasons : - None of those are made in the USA anymore and peoples are starting to complain about them. You know your brand has problems when peoples start to make fun about your products when spotted outdoor. It's the case for Santa-Cruz in this exact moment. - There is no visual nor qualitative differences to asian bikes of the medium segment. - Santa-Cruz bikes are very prone to be stolen. It's a nightmare, so only rich peoples can afford to buy them new and secure them properly. - The rich peoples are making less and less Mountainbike. It's the young generation that is very active, and this demographic don't have 4'000$ for a single bike frame. - If your actual nominated President said the truth, Santa-Cruz will not be able to import their frames from abroad anymore. They lost their metal specialized workers long ago. They are actually screwed. In some aspects, Santa-Cruz is already dead, because the spirit of the brand is gone. It wasn't meant to be a brand for rich hipsters. That's what they are now. The timer is ticking fast.
06:04 after that moment I´m sure it was a Joke from Santa Cruz and we all did not get it. Like The Office or Parks and Recreation, just so good you arent seeing its fake, Respect Santa Cruz.
Great bike , rides smooth ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L I added a bigger spring loaded seat to it . Takes a bit of adjusting cables to get brakes and shifting to perfect . I've owned quite a few bikes in the past that were absolutely uncomfortable to ride and they always ended up as garage wall decor . I'm not seeing that with this one. It's pretty light I've only ridden it a few miles but I like it . As for the pedals falling off in the other reviews , the pedal arms are aluminum along with the pedal studs look to be also . I would not overtighten them. I can see it would be very easy to overtighten them and strip the threads right off . All in all I think it's pretty good quality besides the aluminum pedal thing
Ratcheting down the crank with the torque wrench is terrible build practice, the calibration on the torque wrench will be off constantly....couldnt afford to get him a normal wrench ?
While you're all whining about carbon an aluminum I'm sitting here with a 2016 GT aggressor hardtail with the one and only upgrade you need to become a pro at DH Maxxis holy roller 2s.
I couldnt agree more. but if he wants to let the yanky bastards rubb off on him then let him but Americans need to realise they can not Americanise our english language and try to tamper with the placing of numbers when it comes to writing the date
Richard Coker are you seriously angry cause you don't like how he said Aluminum?? are you trolling or just a douche bag? get a grip yourself really people like you are the downfall of the human race! it's that all you have too do in your life talk crap about someone because he used a different pronunciation then you?? wow idiotic, ignorant, and stupidity at it's best!!!
I still don't understand why mountain bikes cost so much. Where I'm from these bikes cost nearly $10k for that price I can nearly get a brand new motor bike these bicycle company are over charging people.
It is the german word for "house-call" - that's how we call the series - check out the other editions from all over the world: www.mtb-news.de/news/category/magazin/industrie/hausbesuche/
thats your production area lol.. all the parts are prolly made you know where .. you just put bikes together..that's it ... I wish companies would manufacture their there bikes in the fucking USA .. yeah its a cool looking bike but that don't mean shit ... come on guys it Pisses me off
it would be a nice gift for me this xmas....just wishin'
I started my mountain biking adventures with a 26 V 2100 Walmart mountain bike. These Santa Cruz bike's are fenominal.
Epic... i would love to work somewhere like that :)
the bleeping on this video was top notch! haha
I was just to cover names...
Man I would love one of the Santa Cruz bikes 👍😍🙀
Just lock me in there overnight, and let me keep what I assemble in the morning!! Lol😛
Love the way that the guy making he bike is wearing a fox tee shirt
Oh man, it's like a candy store. The components, the wheels, just awesome. But look at the Nomad - they got it 2 years later.
Loooooooool Greetings from Greece! Speedbump answered some off my questions on the support line...
Better show where those carbon frames are being produced. This is the real tech. And I don't think it's done in US. (maybe Giant factory in Taiwan?)
I don't think any carbon frames are built in the US anymore? There might be an exception, but the labor is just too expensive to do it here.
If I remember right, the swiss commerce chamber calculated that the increase of the price for a "swiss made" carbon fiber frame (or any heavy machinery), is around 18% more, in the final price.
Please, don't forget that the price Santa-Cruz buys in Asia is nothing near the price we pay. So, for a frame, we are speaking about a 140$ difference, that I would be glad to pay if they would care about their customers. The problem is, after they took their 300% margins, those "little fees" are making a big difference.
I would like Santa-Cruz, and other great american bike builders, to overthink their actual strategy. There is nothing to gain in taking us for stupid goats. I was seriously interested in a Bronson, but their way of doing is bad, and I don't buy overexpensive penis enlargers.
many are buying Santa Cruz Bronson... but you seem to not be able to save up... DON'T CHEAT YOURSELF... TREAT YOURSELF! If you can't afford Carbon just get Aluminum. it's only $6000!
I actually drive a part carbon / part aluminium, from a german Brand called Alutech. It works well, it is sturdy like the old kona's, and is a good compromise of weight and sturdyness (in direction of sturdyness). I like this bike. But I would have bought SantaCruz if the price policy would not have been what it is now.
SANTA CRUZ BRO'NSON just get an orange or a yt
can you put engine on this bike ?
"that nomad looks vaguely familiar"
- every other mountain biker, 2018
Henry Komar હું tujh fu
Ghvgg
bro im crossfaded af and that thumbnail confused the fuck out of me
DM same bro, much love
Thumbs up for the Bl'ast flyer!
Aaron Baranosky
This was like watching an episode of the office :)
I've just met the only British man who says "fock you, leave me alone" instead of "excuse me Sir, we are in a middle of a marketing film shooting".
Lol Need to get your first passport then!
Me apaixonei por essas bikes,❤😍
Are you guys going to reply to customer emails sent over a week ago?
What was that bike with two forks front and back?
I saw a couple on the trail riding one of those tandems that's in the thumbnail
ConnerandConnor the bike in the thumbnail is not a tandem bike.
wish could buy a Santa Cruz bike but I have no money USD that I can buy I am 14 years old live in Philippines I am simple boy I love all you guys making bike 😊😢😊
Why did i get a annabelle ad before this kind of video?
But where are the frames and parts made...??? Not the US...!!!
I had that old Super 8, same color, at the 12:53 mark, it was my first DH bike. My buddy still has it! Breaking bumps were TERRIBLE on that thing!!
I had one too and thought any hill you couldn't carry speed over was way worse than any braking bumps. Did your's have the rear disk IS mount mine didn't?
@@JohnBooth I had a front disc and rear caliper brake. My buddy somehow modified it with a rear brake and a 26" rear tire. The 24 inch rear tire was treacherous. Funny, I JUST got it back from him, I'm going to turn it into wall art for my workshop/garage.
what is the best MTB or Road bike pls answer thanks
This depends on the intended area of use
The one that bring the most FUN for the ridder!!!!
No carbon machine, no soldering anywhere going on.
Asia bike with US sticker.
Bob Outélama most bikes are made by giant overseas...
It's sad my dear Bronson friends. I didn't liked Giant in the times, and I didn't like them now. So I enjoyed those crazy Kona, those incredibly nimble Ellsworth's, those bulky Intense and mad machines of Cyclecraft... now I have only one choice left, and i hate this.
We have a friend that bought a chinese cross country carbon frame for 400$, we saw that this is the exact same frame as sold by Specialized for 2'600$. Even some very specific details in the integration of the screws are the same.
This will not last long, and peoples will start to buy the chinese originals, and not the 6x pricier rebrands. America has contributed so much in the mountainbike sports, I would find it sad, that capitalism destroys the core of this industry.
I call it the China Syndrome, people want everything on the cheap. It has spread into everything. People go on the internet and get the cheapest cost, they don't seem to care how it was made or the quality. Take care
Bob Outélama so what Chinese brands would you suggest? That is the same quality bike as santa cruz, etc.?
Bob Outélama at 3:08 "this is where all the frames, all the kit comes into here and we still assemble everything" so it's China made USA assembled.
at what age do you hire?
The green bike is at 14:42
thanks xD
nice and white?
Nice and white
Edible Organ w o
Low-key extreme click bait
Aidan Wakley thumbnail is at 14:47 so why??
+Aidan Wakley They put the featured bit just at the very end of the video for a couple quick shots.
Not misleading but still very dirty.
Thanks for the timestamp Bence I only came for that, shame it was so short.
I wish I could work there
super
nice jet bandsaw.
I need a job like that
The way he pronouces 'aloominum' must of been in his contract of employment
It is literally spelled AL-U-MIN-I-UM how does that change to aloominum, you're english...
Sam P dunn aluminum is actually the proper spelling for North America
Sam P dunn and that is the proper way to pronounce it in the states
That's wierd cause definitely didn't say he was English or anything..... Or have an accent
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SANTA CRUZ FOR LIFE!
They are dying. So live your life as fast as you can.
how do you figure? why are they dying?
Diverse reasons :
- None of those are made in the USA anymore and peoples are starting to complain about them. You know your brand has problems when peoples start to make fun about your products when spotted outdoor. It's the case for Santa-Cruz in this exact moment.
- There is no visual nor qualitative differences to asian bikes of the medium segment.
- Santa-Cruz bikes are very prone to be stolen. It's a nightmare, so only rich peoples can afford to buy them new and secure them properly.
- The rich peoples are making less and less Mountainbike. It's the young generation that is very active, and this demographic don't have 4'000$ for a single bike frame.
- If your actual nominated President said the truth, Santa-Cruz will not be able to import their frames from abroad anymore. They lost their metal specialized workers long ago. They are actually screwed.
In some aspects, Santa-Cruz is already dead, because the spirit of the brand is gone. It wasn't meant to be a brand for rich hipsters. That's what they are now.
The timer is ticking fast.
What happens to the bikes?
Which bikes?
MTB-News.de all of them, do they sit around and collect dust
The special ones (like prototypes etc) I guess so, yes. The regular ones are sold, obviously 👍
@4:21 ....the look in the face: "Wth ya talkin ´bout?"
Wish I had one of them bikes
I only just bought a Cruz but I have an endreuo and giant trance 2
I love this dudes sense of humor!
Santa cruz cycles need to be in india also. Not found any where
i sure want some "shuram" components on my santa cruz
ma la regalate una hecler 2006 blu eletrica al mio amico ?
So after all that work- you throw the bikes across the room? 😂
a paradise
Stay nice and white
Loved the video.
Love the cruise but can never afford to buy one ever
fun fact: Santa Cruz also produces long boards and skate boards
No, that is a different company
MTB-News.de 3:18 look at the guy in the back... *whispers* I beg to differ
managed to stay nice and white ?
Cole Varden funny i must say
Put it in your blog
06:04 after that moment I´m sure it was a Joke from Santa Cruz and we all did not get it. Like The Office or Parks and Recreation, just so good you arent seeing its fake, Respect Santa Cruz.
or 4:19 ,goofy look, than SMACK the frame
07:04 ITS ALL A JOOOOKEEEE
haha you misspelled bicycles just a little bit. nice shop though
Thanks for the hint, just fixed it.
What's wrong with not staying white
Great bike , rides smooth ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L I added a bigger spring loaded seat to it . Takes a bit of adjusting cables to get brakes and shifting to perfect . I've owned quite a few bikes in the past that were absolutely uncomfortable to ride and they always ended up as garage wall decor . I'm not seeing that with this one. It's pretty light I've only ridden it a few miles but I like it . As for the pedals falling off in the other reviews , the pedal arms are aluminum along with the pedal studs look to be also . I would not overtighten them. I can see it would be very easy to overtighten them and strip the threads right off . All in all I think it's pretty good quality besides the aluminum pedal thing
can I have 1 :( I really love santa cruz bikes :( haysss but its too expensive :(
I like the super 8
They put the beeps a second to early.
AND THIS IS ORYGINAL DIRT ;p
can you give me even the reject parts in the Philippines that is one of the expensive bike
Allan Lara no
Who else noticed when the guy spoke to Americans he spoke with an accent
Rob Roskopp?
He said he was nice and white as if he was Superior
"still managed to *stay* nice and *white* " ... o.O
6:05 whitest moment of the entire video
Ratcheting down the crank with the torque wrench is terrible build practice, the calibration on the torque wrench will be off constantly....couldnt afford to get him a normal wrench ?
Nice and white? your blue m8, Nice bike's tho..
Funky bike at 14:43
amerika ist ein cooles land ..... wenn da nur nich soviele amis wohnen würden.
can you send in a maintainbike for me in Barbados
jkwone forde no
Curtis, Can you accidentally put my address on one of those?!!
you won't find these in your local wallmart xD
While you're all whining about carbon an aluminum I'm sitting here with a 2016 GT aggressor hardtail with the one and only upgrade you need to become a pro at DH Maxxis holy roller 2s.
Aluminum!! You're English are you? It's Aluminium all day long. Get a grip.
I couldnt agree more. but if he wants to let the yanky bastards rubb off on him then let him but Americans need to realise they can not Americanise our english language and try to tamper with the placing of numbers when it comes to writing the date
Richard Coker the part where he asked "CURTIS THE MAIN MAN FOR SOME KNUCKLES" i stopped watching
Richard Coker are you seriously angry cause you don't like how he said Aluminum?? are you trolling or just a douche bag? get a grip yourself really people like you are the downfall of the human race! it's that all you have too do in your life talk crap about someone because he used a different pronunciation then you?? wow idiotic, ignorant, and stupidity at it's best!!!
"Front Triangle" ITS A FUCKING A FRAME
Butfull
:10 sunny day? every day is sunny otherwise it's called night
I went there
Can i have one please
7:12 song
ua-cam.com/video/Fm_-sW4Vktw/v-deo.html
Thumbnail at 14:42
I still don't understand why mountain bikes cost so much. Where I'm from these bikes cost nearly $10k for that price I can nearly get a brand new motor bike these bicycle company are over charging people.
Jeff Stryker my only guess would be power of economy.
My motorcycle is $11,500 and can get up to 165mph.
*N I C E A N D W H I T E*
Why says it Haus Besuch
It is the german word for "house-call" - that's how we call the series - check out the other editions from all over the world:
www.mtb-news.de/news/category/magazin/industrie/hausbesuche/
MTB-News.de i Know.. i'm from germany but I just wonderd
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carbon isn't ready for bikes yet. Maybe in 5 to 10 years but not now
Why do you think that?
because you get damage for no reason in many cases. Small crack can kill frame thats worth $$$$.
14:43 the thumbnail
Can you give me santa cruz im in the pilipines
Meanwhile at Santa Cruz bicycles
I used to love my Santa Cruz Superlight. Now I hate it
wish u can send me an old Santa Cruz don't use anymore@@
Say "what have you" ONE more time....
thats your production area lol.. all the parts are prolly made you know where .. you just put bikes together..that's it ... I wish companies would manufacture their there bikes in the fucking USA .. yeah its a cool looking bike but that don't mean shit ... come on guys it Pisses me off
Schimano, Schramm...😂🌚
bicycles is spelt bicyles
in the title
Thanks @Tommy321 BH - I just fixed the typo.
MTB-News.de no problamos man do u reckon u can help me out and hit that subscribe button
why am I watching this shit??
KPN same
Bonelli Comics because you are stupid
You look like Evan Peters
Selling my old Santa Cruz Super 8. Hit me up if your interested.
Can I get it for free plz
Sure, what is your adress?