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What Are The Big SMP Companies- NOT TELLING YOU
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- Опубліковано 1 кві 2021
- The Big SMP companies are not showing you enough healed results. Most of the time you will see photos of the day of treatment. Not two weeks or even 2 months down the road. Therefore you aren't getting a real representation of what the treatment will actually look like.
This is just one example watch the video and let us know your thoughts.
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Thank you scalplogic for the amazing shout out. You have no idea what this means to me. Giving transparency to this industry is a credit to you and your team. Watching you has helped me grow as an artist.
Just to clear it up. I've been an smp artist for 5 years and trading in my own business as smp gold coast for 2 years.
Thanks again
Lucas
SMP Gold Coast
We came across a photo on FB and we could identify the single needle results ✌️🙌
Hard work, but worth it!
Thank you for the support 🙏
@@scalp_logic thank you. Yes it's more work and I totally agree well worth the effort. Once this pandemic is under control I'm coming over for a master class. ✌
Joe you have a bias towards the single needle as you don't have good experience with the triple needle. Why don't you try the 0403 bishop or fit needles. Use a critical atom set it at 6.5 for good skin. Angle your hand forward so that the needle Penetrates the skin towards you at a angle and give the skin a tight spread. Try and get 3 to 4 smp follicle replication per second. And see thr result. At least start using it in the crown area until you get use to it.
@@Subcribers-et2do Lol. Please show me your portfolio.
I’m glad I found you guys. Researching smp and seeing the results don’t look so subtle. While there are some good ones, there are some bad ones.
Thank you we are glad you spot the difference 😳
I like all your topics and the true behind, thank you guys again
Thank you for the support :)))
Love this topic so much! I am a huge believer in advertising our healed results or, if posting fresh results- explain this in our captions! What’s the point in promoting unrealistic expectations and disappointing clients. I love promoting our healed work, it shows the real skill 🥰 I had a great teacher, thanks Joe!
Wow, thank you Caitlin. It’s been a long time. I hope you’re doing wonderful :)
Yes, it’s all about the healed results!! Many years we’ve both been perfecting the craft of SMP, it amazes me that consumers are so confused what to look for, and that’s in large part from slick marketing.
So, our intention is to give honest and precise information in hope that consumers all over the world will push artists to raise their standards :)
@@scalp_logic Amazing! Yes, doing really well and still loving SMP all these years later. I’ll be forever grateful for the knowledge you gave me when I first started 😁
Joe and Nichole are changing the game and Subtle P is the future and they are the leaders! I’m excited for book my appointment soon with them! Glad I only live 30 minutes from the best in the smp game haha! Nice perk
Thank you for that awesome comment! We are definitely the most passionate about the art 🙏😊
Lucky you. I want it done but I live in Africa .
@@scalp_logic
You guys might be passionate and do some good work,, but isn't it still your opinion to say that you are the most passionate? I don't mean anything negative.
@@ericlewis4783 It is our opinion, yes. We don’t look at other artists as competitors. We are all independently expressing our version of making art that looks like real hair stubble. All on our own path. Different styles, different motives, different goals.
We get some flack from folks because they perhaps misconstrue confidence for arrogance, but it’s our drive to create the best results we can possibly produce. It’s passion.
I hope every artist thinks they are the most passionate :) All respect.
You guys are by far the best Artists!!!!!
Thank you 🙏
There are more and more fantastic Subtle P artists out there everyday and increasing :)
had mine done in 3 sessions but i also didn't get my entire head only top and a little bit of my crown for blending still very fresh so i'm stoked to see how it looks in a few months , great informative video thanks for the info
How’s it now pal?
its excellent best decision i've ever made for myself
Yea, if you take good photos with your phone, and then zoom in, you can see if the artist filled in all the spots evenly and full.
The issue I'm having with my artist is that he advertises that he has five plus years experience, but when we were talking he said he's been doing it for just two years.
The issue with him, is that he is soo scared to make things too dark, or filled in, that he's using too light of ink, and not filling in areas.
This is making my SMP look a bit too light, and blotches of light spots throughout the top of my head.
He tried blaming it on me, saying that I could have eczema, or didn't do after care right. The thing is, my wife has looked at my head after each session and has pointed out these light areas as not being inked in, and I've told the guy this each time, but he just never listened to me, and just says, "I don't want you to look like you are wearing a hat"
Well, my wife took some good photos, and when zoomed in on these spots, you can clearly see that he did not do as many ink dots as the darker spots.
He is clearly too insecure to fill them in, because he thinks that if they are done too closely, they'll bleed or be too dark.
As I've learned from watching youtube SMP artists, once the session heals, it won't bleed if you happen to put some ink on healed ink.
In the photos, you can see huge gaps in the ink, which causes light spots, that I can clearly see with good lighting.
I wish that I would have asked for photos of end results, and went to a more well known artist in my area.
I noticed that my artist is obsessed with how the SMP looks right after the session, but me, I've learned that it only matters what the healed results are.
I think you should mention oxides and the two basic varieties of ink. I think it has results in respect to longivity and laser removal.
That’s a terrific point you make, thank you.
So true!! Love your page guys
Thank you!
We are doing our best to get all SMP providers to show their HEALED RESULTS & consumers to demand it!
@@scalp_logic 💯 it's a shame I found out about you guys after I did my SMP courses. Would love to fly out to you guys from London to get a touch up on my own head.
Keep up the amazing work and information to help this industry improve. You guys are an awesome team.
Always following your work on here and Instagram 🙌🏼🙏🏼
@@nicasso.london Who knows, maybe we can make that happen someday?! The universe has a funny way of working out, especially these days.
Thanks so much for the support, it means so much to us. 🙏
My smp looks the same as the first day it was done. I feel you have to know what you want before you have it done. Mine is like a fresh barber haircut everytime I cut my hair. Had it done by a random lady I knew, she's a professional make up artist so she had that natural skill before she learned smp. She is literally the best in the UK. And I only had 3 sessions, but tbh I wasn't sure i wanted the third as it looked so good with 2, but had third as we made slight changes to hairline. 4 or 5 sessions seems like a money grab to me but hey thats me.
Thank you for your comment. That’s amazing you’re so happy about it, that’s what it’s all about!
Hmmm, fresh barber cut with a two dimensional tattoo performed by an inexperienced artist… I really wonder what those impressions and blending looks like.
I’m 13 years in the industry and maintain this is precision art, and can take multiple sessions to create the highest level standard. 💯
Can you drop this artists portfolio on any platform?
@@scalp_logic i would of dropped her IG details but as your message was so condescending I wont, she's too good to have any and everyone look at her work. But if anyone else lives in the uk (London to be exact) and wants the best smp artist let me know. Ill share her with genuine people.
@@scalp_logic calling her inexperienced when I never mentioned anything about how long she's been doing it shows me that your fake, and a coward, 5 sessions 🤣🤣 your trying to robb people under the pretence of "we do it very lightly" is a joke 🙄. Anyone reading this take it from an experienced person who has the best smp you don't need 5 sessions, if you do they doing slow on purpose to make you pay more. 2 to a maximum of 3 if you want to go dark but normally 2 sessions is fine.
@@passportbro904 we mean it more from an Artist perspective as well as what consumers need to look out for. If you feel comfortable share please do if not that’s ok too. We really are just focused on men getting an amazing treatment and raising the standards
@@passportbro904 , You're full of doodoo. Hilarious how you responded, nice try with your lies.
Why would offering more sessions be a money grab? They charge a set fee based on the amount of area needing done, not how many sessions. Only two sessions does not sound like a good SMP job. If you actually got it done, then there is no way that only two sessions looks good, if she did it right. I'll bet that it's too dark, and you can see the outline of your hairline.
Subtle P is the best way to do SMP!
The Guys who have had regular SMP done for sometime and living with it, they understand it very well how amazing Subtle P is. I have a regular SMP on
my head and seeing Subtle P, I understand now how the treatment must really look like.
Subtle P is the future and already becoming normal standard way of SMP treatment. I want Subtle P on my head as well.
Well said, Sreejeet. You know we agree.
We have been noticing your Subtle Pigmentation work! You are exhibiting fantastic artistry yourself 🙌👌😁
@@scalp_logic thank you so much, you are my inspiration🙏
Im not sure if anyone ask this but if 3 sessions isnt enough time with healing time in-between how many sessions when looking for this procedure to be done should be enough
This is custom and every case is different. We very rarely need more than 3 or 4 sessions. For 90% of guys, 2-4 sessions is enough.
Hey guys, would something like this be realistic to do on someone with just some temple recession ? Like a Norwood 2.5. Hairline only, zero hair loss elsewhere. Could it blend into existing longer hair? Thanks !
It could, but in most cases as such, an artist is doing you a disservice by performing smp.
The best way to explain it is:
Your real hair= 3D
SMP= 2D
It is very difficult to make everything blend together and achieve a realistic look.
@@scalp_logic thanks for the reply. Appreciate it!
Great video, What's your take on controlled dandruff when you got smp that came back after discontinued dandruff shampoo treatment? Is Selsun Blue dandruff shampoo safe after healed smp? I feel this would be an important subject no one is talking about. I myself had 4 sessions and have stuck to baby shampoo because I want to really take care of it but my dandruff is back lol
That is a great topic and there is very little info about it.
First, we are fans of natural products and avoiding foreign chemicals. So, for these reasons we don’t like Selsun blue.
Also, baby shampoo has a high tendency to dry scalps regardless of dry skin issues, so we not recommend that either.
To control the dry skin it is an overall assessment of shampoo, lotions, (if needed) diet, sun exposure, etc.
@@scalp_logic I appreciate the reply! So I have an update. Aveeno Skin Moisturizer solved my dandruff issue and I feel it's safer to use on smp than dandruff shampoo. I use it everyday after my shower & I had dry scalp way before baby shampoo but thanks for the info since I didn't know that.
Hi there, Im writing from London uk. Im in talks with SMP company for having the procedure and feel unsure about whether or not to go forward and do it? The thought of having a stamped look hairline scares me. They have told me that the hairline will be age appropriate and receding with breaks in it, so it looks natural, could you give me any advice at all? Thank you for your honest videos
The best advice for a person in your position is to make sure your artist is making impressions the same size as your native hair stubble. This is especially important in the frontal regions.
The “feathering” or softness of the hairline is the hardest achievement for an artist especially when considering on a healed result. Thats in addition to ensuring that the Hairline Jaron has the most appropriate flow for your features.
Hopefully they can prove this through Instagram pictures and videos, website gallery, or the like.
@@scalp_logic Thank you very much
You guys got some haters disliking as you upload lmao just keep doing your thing
Bummer talking truths to benefit consumers puts such a target on our back, but nothing new ✌️
Support from people like you, Keegan helps tremendously. Thank you.
Joe, do you offer any private mentorship/advice on your usage of regular tattoo ink? I would love to not spend $75 on ink all the time. I did watch one of your older videos on mixing the inks and you basically just make 3 different washes. Is this still the method you are using for mixing your ink? I am just concerned as to how I am going to be able to move away from having a nice little color chart which I am used to and moving to just use 3 basic washes of black tattoo pigment. Thanks
If you’d like to email or WhatsApp us at 424-335-3495 we definitely offer private mentorships
@@scalp_logic thank you! What's your email, I don't have WhatsApp...
@@ihatemonix scalplogic@gmail.com
Whats the difference between INK they use for the body compared to the INK of SMP? Are they the same as you mentioned tattoo ink is tattoo ink.
No difference other than the label on the bottle.
There has never been a difference, only marketing tactics to force belief that there is a difference.
@@scalp_logic I thought SMP ink was organic without iron oxide unlike regular tattoo ink
@@roycartagena308 There are many kinds of tattoo ink. One category would be carbon based, another category would be iron oxide based, plant based, etc.
Smp ink is just carbon based black tattoo ink.
Can you recommend anyone in Southeast? Do you travel?
I'm in the UK. please recommend a UK artist who understands Subtle SMP. Thanks.
There are certainly a few super talented artists, but few who focus on pure Subtle P, or working harder and longer to ensure the healed impressions are same size as real hair stubble. It requires much more labor and attention. (And patience of a yogi 🧘♂️)
I would ask to see ONLY HEALED pictures to avoid my confusion :)
3 sessions is more than enough, than touch ups every 2-3 years, i understand you want your customers to come back regularly 👀 but anymore than 3 is over kill. Any talented smp artist would not need more than 3 sessions.
Any picture proof your understanding? Meaning are there pictures up close enough to see detail (spotlight challenge) of an old treatment result and then putting more ink to “fix” or “enhance” with a touch up?
The nonsense of putting ink on top of a treatment that already has old ink that has settled for years, and the goal of looking natural or real is still in play? There is no chance. Ink does not naturally fade or disappear, it continues to settle into the skin.
Once too much ink is implanted in the scalp, the chance of a natural or realistic result is gone.
Please send links to talented artists showcasing up close and healed pictures after 2-3 sessions. 🤓
@Michael We certainly do recommend touch ups as needed as long as ink can be added without compromising a NATURAL appearance (impressions truly look like hair stubble).
There is so much information that says smp requires touch ups every few years and it’s an ignorant assumption.
Currently we receive a lot of phone calls from guys who’ve completed 1 session with the most popular and established places and then recognize too much ink is sitting in their scalps and dots/impressions are much larger than their native hair stubble.
The point is, once too much ink is sitting in the skin, putting more ink on to correct it with the intention to have a NATURAL appearance is crazy!
@Michael Your question highlights the necessity to get SUBTLE P.
Subtle Pigmentation, when done correctly will always look real, even through the settling process long periods of time.
The reason it’s possible is because we implant ink at the most superficial area of the skin, this technique is super hard to get accomplish.
Check out our video posting early February 2022 “Why SMP companies Won’t Do Subtle P” 😄
Funny that the images used on this video comes from the world's most awarded company from the UK. No saying who. And that's the point!!!!
I was not aware of this, but they all look the same!
No disrespect to any artist or company, but they are not doing Subtle P like us 😊
@@scalp_logic
How can you not be aware of the original inventors of SMP. His in England??!!!!
You are just a bad copy cat of HIS who are the original inventors of SMP here in England.
Ranbir and Ian Watson.. I know them personally.. They are still going strong after 17 years of inventing this technique...
They invented the feathered look as well..
HIS are are a genuine caring company here in England and still the best...
You cannot compare with the original innovators and still the best. With new innovations .
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@@jojoremeny They first offered this service 17 years ago. Invented or discovered is debatable. In these days, the inky head was the norm.
Of course, this is all my opinion...
10 years ago HIS and company insulted me for using tattoo equipment. Current day, everyone uses tattoo equipment.
They don’t like that I disclosed the fact everyone uses black tattoo ink.
Insulted my single needle use to create the art.
And on and on.
I say, let the art speak for itself. And tell people the truth.
Want to share their Instagram or portfolio so we can see?
jojo remeny HIS have gone downhill badly in recent years forums are full of horror stories now certain folk have left
Is 4 a good number of sessions?
3 or 4 sessions are most common for us. We also have many guys happy after 2, and also sometimes 5 are necessary.
@@scalp_logic Thanks! Are more session more likely to keep the colour/texture?
@@kevinriley2261 More sessions always allow for more buildup, more layers, which can make better and longer lasting quality. This concept applies to almost all art forms and definitely true for smp :)
@@scalp_logic Thank you. :)
Please show healed heads.🙂
Check out our Instagram. We show more healed results than any other company :)
You've scared me 😭
No don’t be scared away! We’re doing our best to shed some honesty and realness to the art called smp.
Ask to see up close Healed work if your considering getting this done. That’s the only way to truly see what you’ll get :) 🤙🏼 Good luck
HIS are the original innovators and inventors of this technique in England, and still the best..
They invented this technique about 17 years ago!!!!!
So many copy cat bad versions out there..
Ranbir and Ian Watson invented this and are the most genuine helpful practitioners I personally know..
Research before you go anywhere that purports to do SMP...
Many bad practices and companies out there who just want your money..
They first offered this service 17 years ago. Invented or discovered is debatable. In these days, the inky head was the norm.
Of course, this is all my opinion...
10 years ago HIS and company insulted me for using tattoo equipment. Current day, everyone uses tattoo equipment.
They don’t like that I disclosed the fact everyone uses black tattoo ink.
Insulted my single needle use to create the art.
And on and on.
I say, let the art speak for itself. And tell people the truth.
Want to share their Instagram or portfolio you’re bragging about?
How long between sessions should i wait and how many sessions should i get
Many different suggestions for different cases.
About a week or more is the wait time in between sessions. We complete treatment in 3-5 sessions in most cases.
Who the best in the los Angeles area?
Hello 👋 no one is doing subtle p. We recommend looking at Healed results, Hairlines, Blending, and speaking to previous clients if possible
How about showing a " healed" head. You scold potential clients like they should know the difference.
We do our best to speak truths and facts about confusing information in our industry. It’s disappointing there is so much confusion and such a lack of knowledge on the subject.
We show many healed results up close on our IG @ScalpLogic.
If you believe we scold potential clients, it’s probably because we get a lot of calls from guys who have done good research and still have no clue about the different levels of standards and how to identify them.
@@scalp_logic well putting dots on a head is 5% of the job. The other 95% is customer care.
I'll be choosing somewhere else simply based on the fact that I don't need to be chastised for not being an expert on head tattooing.
@@slimpickens3863 Whether you come with us or not we respect your decision, but we don’t want guys getting botched and we help many people understand this art form on another level.
We don’t blame consumers, there is simply a lack of knowledge (it’s a new industry) and there is a lot of misleading marketing.
We’re sorry you feel chastised, that is not our intention. We do get multiple calls a day hearing from guys that got botched or are unhappy with their treatment.
Yes a big portion is customer care, but the biggest portion is the artistry, because that’s what a guy has to live with.